Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:62 A hunter's encounter

Episode Date: November 24, 2014

Tonight we speak to a hunter from Pennsylvania. While hunting he had a chance encounter with Sasquatch. The creature and him came face-to-face on a trail, and the encounter changed his life. Listen as our guest describes what he saw, how he felt and how this has changed his life.

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1. We have ignition. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. his eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was given me.

What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six. Now, sir? Yes, I'm working right at him. Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their encounters. If you'd like to give us a call, the phone number is 646-716-8791. Let's start the show. Vietnam, 1969.

Stories started filtering back from the field. Stories about encounters with strange creatures. As a young soldier in Vietnam, veteran Tom Jacobs witnessed something he will never forget. A band of unknown primates began throwing rocks at his platoon. I had heard that there had been previous problems with what we called rockates. and in fact at one point, a band of them threw one Marine off the rock pile. And so we were wary of them, without a doubt.

Several times, Sergeant Jacobs came face to face with these unknown creatures. This different creature would, early in the morning, burst out of the jungle into a clearing and just rail at us, just yell and scream and shake his fists. It was very human behavior, and it was real obvious that he took it. to our presence there. The soldiers dubbed them rock apes.

You know what I was thinking is we should do a show about the rock apes. Vietnam's Bigfoot, the rock apes. I mean, there's just so much information on it. And a lot of these, the way these guys describe what they're saying and what they're doing, I watched this documentary on it, and they talked a little bit about the rock apes.

And they kind of tied it into, that's where the Minnesota Iceman came from. I think there's a lot of speculation there, but the whole story of the Rock Apes is pretty interesting. You know where they tie that in? Is because one of the false stories that was out there years ago was that the Minnesota Iceman came from Vietnam, and that's not true.

But the Rock Ape story would be a good one to do. Have you guys seen that one video clip? I have it up on the website. I'm sure only you guys can see it right now. It's a video of the pilot talking about the rocket, that they saw in the way they describe it, and I guess not. Cricket, cricket.

In retrospect, I guess I should have left that part out. Well. You're like, thanks, guys, for the assist. Yeah. I guess moving on. Moving on. The growing silence. No, after the encounter world, you should tell the story that you have up on your blog.

I read that story a long time ago, and I always thought there was a lot of truth to that story. The latest one that I have up there, the 1839 story. Yeah, right. The one you and I were talking about earlier. Yeah. Tonight on the show we have Jim. He is from Pennsylvania, and he had a terrifying encounter about 10 years ago. while he was out hunting. Welcome, Jen, to the show. Thanks for coming on the show.

Really appreciate it. Absolutely, man. Thanks for having me. Well, we understand that you had an account about 10 years ago. Is that correct? That is correct. Yes. Kind of changed my world, if you will.

Well, tell us kind of what you were doing that day and the events leading up to the account and then tell us what happened. It's kind of a funny story as to why I was. was even in the woods that day. I'm a bit of an outdoorsman. I like to hunt, fish, camp, you know, all that good stuff. Hike, especially hike. I hike a lot.

And I don't know if you guys hunts or not. And if you do any deer hunting, you know that squirrels are like, I've waged my own personal war against them because when you're deer hunting, they sound like a herd of deer in the woods. Yeah. And they just, they're always kind of catching you off guard because they make an astronomical amount of noise and they sound a lot bigger than what they are. So, kind of going back to what I said about wasting my own personal war against these rodents,

I decided to do some squirrel hunting in October back in 2005. I figured, you know, at the same time, it would give me a good chance to go out in the woods and scout for some, a position for opening rifle season, which is the Monday after Thanksgiving in Pennsylvania. So I went out to the woods that day. I kind of played Loki, took off work and went out. to a spot that I go to actually all the time, and I was walking down an access road

or what some people would call a logging road and that it goes on forever. I've never really even walked the whole thing to know exactly how far it goes, but I mean it goes on forever into the middle of nowhere. So along my way, I've been walking about an hour and a half, two hours, just kind of, you know, stopping along,

looking for signs of deer, looking for bugs on trees, things like that. you know, firing at squirrel along the way. After about two hours of walking down this access road, I decided to kind of break off that road and go down the mountain through some mountain laurel, down to, like, what I believe was a creek, but it was really just a small stream.

I heard the water running. As I went down through all the mountain laurel, I found a pretty large-sized rock boulder, if you will. I sat down on it, and as I was sitting there, squirrels are funny creatures. when they know you're around, they'll stop moving. So I figure, you know, I sit there for 10, 15, 20 minutes, and they'll start to move again, and I'll be able to shoot some of them.

Because that area looked like a prime area for, I saw a lot of sign up the year. I saw, you know, tracks in the mud. So I figured this would be a good place to kind of, you know, set up for it. And that's what I did. Well, I noticed it was really quiet. And it was quiet for quite some time, even after, you know, I was walking down this road shooting at squirrel that I did He didn't kill anything, but whatever, that's neither here nor there.

As I was sitting there, I noticed he was really, really quiet, and I just started to, like, look around because I felt I got this uneasy feeling like I was being watched. I don't know if you guys have ever gotten that feeling, like that sixth sense of being watched. Right. Well, as I started scanning the area, I looked around, and there was a group of pine trees, and they were really, really thick. Like, I don't know what kind of forest you guys had. out there. I know you guys out there have the redwoods and things like that. But in Pennsylvania, some of the pine trees grow so close together. It's like they're huge, but they're close together. Well, in a grouping of those, they were about 60 foot tall. As I was scanning, I saw what I

believed to be at the time of huge ass man in a gilly suit. And I don't know if you guys know what guilliesuits are. But in this region of the country, it's not uncommon for hunters in archery season to go out in guilliesuits. Like in Pennsylvania, you need to only walk in the wood. This is during archery season. You need to walk in with wearing orange. Once you're in the woods, you can take the orange off and go from camo and you have to,

you know, put it back on to walk out. And this was about 50 to 75 yards away from me. So I knew that it was huge, whatever it was. And I just thought it was a dude in a gilly suit. So I stared at it, and it stared back to me. It was angled at such a way I couldn't see its whole body because it was like half in between these two humongous trees, which were kind of grown together.

Difficult to explain, but the trees were so big that their branches were kind of overlapping, if that makes sense. It stepped out from between that. And it was staring at me. I was staring back, and I started to realize that this thing was way too big and too wide to be a human. Because if it was a human, it had to have been, like, the big show from the WWE or whatever. Like, it was too longus. And it was kind of hunched forward.

And I'm like, what the hell is this thing? Like, I started getting uneasy. So my shotgun was on my lap because I was sitting on the boulder. and as soon as I grabbed it, because I felt scared, it just stepped in between the tree back in, and it was so big. That's when I saw really how wide it was, and it had to be four to five feet wide at the shoulder.

I mean, this thing was general. This is the biggest damn thing I've ever seen in my life, and it moved. These were like 50-foot tall tree. From everything that I could see, the whole damn tree, both of them, moved with it. And that was when I got scared and I did not move. I stayed in that position for probably another 20 minutes and did not take my eyes off

of that position. My shotgun was in my hand, safety off, and I was ready to roll. Problem was, all I had was birdshot. So if this thing wanted to get, I was, there wasn't going to be a damn thing I could do to it. Other than, it would be better off screaming at it. So I didn't move for 20 minutes. the position and I don't know why to this day I have only told you guys will

now be the third well there's three of you so it would be the fifth person that I pulled this to and every single person asked me the same question that I'm sure you guys are gonna ask me when I say this but I decided that after about 20 minutes and I didn't see any more movement I heard nothing I got up and I walked over to where I did not take my eyes off to the branch, the top branch that I saw it go underneath, because I needed to know how big this thing really was. Well, I'm 5'9. I'm not super tall.

So in order for me to figure out how it was, I actually had to take my shotgun and hold it up to the branch to where I saw its head entering in between the two trees, and it had to have easily been nine foot. I mean, I'm talking it was, I had to literally hold a shotgun up to, see how tall was. And that was when I got really scared and I backed out very slowly

from that position. My heart was bracing because I realized that there is nothing in the woods that is that tall. I've seen bears you know and that could be the only other thing really in this region of the country that it could

have been like a black bear. We don't have brown bear out here. But black bear, I mean even at their tallest, when they stand on their hind legs, they're only about six foot tall. And that's a really, really, really big bear. Right. And it was easily three to four feet taller than even that. And I literally, when I got back to the logging road,

I sprinted all the way back to my vehicle and got the hell out of that. When the creature, when you went over to measure the height, was the creature already gone at that point? Oh, yeah. Oh, it was long ago. That was like 20 minutes after I saw it walk in between the two trees. And that's, you know, I got brave enough because, again, you have to understand. Leading up to this, I had no idea really about Bigfoot.

I didn't really know much about it. And honestly, up until this point, I didn't really believe that it was something that could be real because I grew up in the woods my whole life. And never, you know, in my whole family, they were all hunters and outdoors men. And not once did I ever hear any stories from anyone that I knew about something like this. And, you know, I didn't really know anything about it. So to me, it was, I didn't want to fall all victim to the power of suggestion. But when I saw how big it was, there was no way it was a human.

What was going to your mind while you were sitting there watching the creature? What the hell is this thing staring back at me? And is it going to come towards me? Right. Did you ever feel menaced by it, or was it just kind of the general curiosity, like you said, what the hell is this thing? I did not feel frightened at first. Like I said, at first, I just thought it was a dude in a gilly suit. Like 50 yards is not super far away, but it's also not super close. So as far as detail goes, I couldn't really see any detail. I could tell that it was staring at me. I could tell that much, just as I was staring at it. I was going to say you could see the eyes well enough to know that it was staring at you. Yes. It was a very dark brown, almost a black, almost like a very dark earth color.

And that is, and I couldn't really make out the eyes. I didn't see any eye white, if you will. I didn't see any white for the eyes because I was pretty far away. But I could tell that it was its face and it was looking at me. And it didn't, it was not human. It was not human, but I didn't want to just, my mind didn't even connect that it was what it was until it seemed like an eternity. But the whole experience probably was maybe a minute and a half, but it could have might as well have been an hour and a half. I can sympathize.

My own encounter the first time was like that. It seemed like, you know, there was so much happening, but it was so quick. It was maybe like yours a minute, minute, a half. my heart I was completely calm at first it wasn't until I started thinking well this thing is too big and why is it hunched over the way it is like it had a pretty defined hunch to its back

like the way it was leaning forward and you know there was one leg in that I could see and one leg well one leg out that I could see and one leg in like it stepped out of the tree the trees to look at me and stare at me. And I don't know how long it was even there.

Like, you have to understand. Like, I just, I popped out on this rock, and I was just kind of, like, space it out, thinking, you know, listening for stuff. And I just got that uneasy feeling. And I started scanning the area, and that's when it was, like, there. Like, if I wouldn't have looked, there would have been no way I would have ever seen this thing. Like, it was, like, forest minges.

It blended so well that, you know, it was, like, a double tape. almost. And that's when, you know, probably 30 seconds into staring at it, I was like, this is not a human. And, you know, I think a lot of people don't understand about how that natural blending in works. We're kind of designed to look for lines. And a lot of animals are horizontal lines. You know what I mean? They're back as parallel to the ground.

So we see, you know, a line like a deer or something like that. You know, we know what that is, but something that's vertical like we are, especially if it's motionless near trees, if you're not really paying attention to most people don't really pay attention that well, it would blend right into the background. Well, and that's exactly what it was, and that's what scared me, because even the fact that so much went through my mind, guys, and it was difficult to put all this in the email that I sent to Shannon because I was at work when I was typing. my email side was, you know, typing, working, typing, working. But so much went through my mind that I started rationalizing all these things. Like, first of all, if this is a dude and he's hunting, why is he sticking half out in between the trees staring at me? Like, is he pissed that I'm here?

You know, and that's just it, though. Like, in Pennsylvania, archery will stop when small games starts. And there's a little bit of an overlap there, and I can't remember exactly because things change from year to year with, you know, our fishing game here. But I can't remember exactly back in 2005. I guess I could go back in my book and look. But I was thinking, why is this guy staring at me?

I mean, this is pretty baldy dude. I'm holding a gun. At best he'll have a, you know, a bow. Like, what is he planning on attacking here? Something. But there was nothing in his hand. That's just it. Like.

Right. And usually another hunter at least, you know, give you a nod of recognition. And then you use a talk and you go, you set the thing. or you separate ways, right. And it was not, there was none of that. It was like, it was frozen staring at me as I was staring at it. And that was the part that really got me because it did not lose. Like, it was just giving me a death stare.

And that was the part. I didn't, again, guys, this thing was far enough away that I could not see, you know, I don't know if it was doing, you know, any facial expressions. I could see very little definition in its face. It was probably just as wary of you as you were of it. And it did, and it acted differently when you grabbed your shotgun, right? Yes, as soon as I grabbed my gun, that, and I did that slow, because, you know, being a hunter, you know, if it was a person, I didn't want, you know, to create a problem. but I felt as though I needed to protect myself.

So as I reached down slowly and I grabbed it and I started to kind of move and angle myself in the direction of this thing because I was not facing it. It was off to my right heading up the mountain. I was in a valley where a stream was. I was down in between two mountains and it was 50 yards away

on the edge of the thick pine. And as I grab my shotgun, as soon as my shotgun kind of came up off my lap, which is where it was resting, that is when it stepped in between the trees. And I'm not kidding when I say this. The whole damn trees, both of them, like they moved but swallowed it at the same time. That was the part that really scared me because then I really realized how big this thing was because as it turned, that is when I saw the girth, like how wide it was. Do you think it nudged the trees to move them? Well, no. It would have had to have probably six-foot-long arms in order to do that, which it may have.

I don't know. I couldn't really tell the size of that, but these trees are pretty large, Will. I'm assuming Will's asking these questions, is it Will? Right, right, yeah. Okay. From the branches, when I did go over with my shotgun to figure out how far it was, these branches were probably, you know, seven, eight foot long from the center of the tree. I mean, it was, I don't know if it was a white pine or what it was, but it was one of the, like,

frilly pine trees. This easiest way for me as this planet. Okay. But the whole tree new picture. Yeah, I was just trying to get a picture of it in my mind. When you talk about it being hunched over, did it ever stand fully upright? Like, you know, when you said it turned. to leave, did it stand up fully erect so that that's when you got your measurement with your gun?

Or was that the measurement of it being hunched over? That was a measurement of it being hunched over. Okay. I'm curious, Jim, when you say hunched over, because I thought the same thing when Woody and I had our encounter. And I think Woody kind of corrected that term hunched over and said kind of a slump, almost like it's like slouching. like a person with poor posture it was more in the upper back if you will exactly the upper back

than it was like leaning over like a like an old man that you know like a scoliosis it wasn't like that it was more of the upper back almost like the way it was designed right and I thought the same thing when Woody and I had our encounter I thought the exact same thing what you just said it's the upper back it's kind of the way the shoulders

There's kind of a slant. It's not like he'd see a person hunch over, but it's just kind of like they're designed that way. It's almost like that's the way the body was. So it gives the appearance of being hunched over when in reality, I don't think they're really hunched over. I think it's more of a slump. Almost like the back muscles and the chest are so big.

And so like a guy that works out his chest too much and like his back kind of tightens up. And so his shoulders kind of roll forward a little bit. Go forth. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The way they hang. that is that's a great description west

yeah it was very it's very difficult to explain it because again this all happened in like a minute and so much was running through my mind but it is still so vivid like I wish there was some way for me to plug something into the back of my head and have what I saw come out through my eyes onto a wall so that other people could see it

you know because like I said, prior to you guys, I've only ever told two people, and both times I was kind of met with a little bit of ridicule to the point where I don't talk about it anymore. And I kind of keep it to myself strictly because of that reason. You know, I have a professional position. I have very few people that I talk to about anything like that, you know, but it really opened up my eyes to there being a whole other world of, you know, stuff that we just don't know or understand. Like, I've listened, I found you guys actually by doing research. I was just Googling stuff, you know, because ever since, I mean, for 10 years,

this has been something that affected me to the point where I needed to know more. Like, I have going back out to this exact spot probably 10 times, and I've actually went through the trees, albeit armed to the teeth. Believe me, I'm not going in the woods without at least a 45. Like, you won't catch me in the woods without some sort of firearm. Like, I just won't do it. But I've gone through the trees where I saw it walk through. And what amazes me is how it got away.

And maybe it was, you know, shock. I don't know. But it literally left. And as big as it was, I didn't hear it walking. I've listened to your guys' show, and I hear people saying, like, they hear these things moving. It's got to be deliberate. it because this thing was like a forest ninja

it got away and it moved so silently there was leaves all over the place and I didn't hear it leaving like that's why I sat there for 20 minutes because I didn't know if it was just inside the trees watching me or not because I didn't hear it leaving

like I hear all these stories where the people were talking about it leaving you or you can hear them coming or whatever it was not the case at all with this thing yeah I think when people are hearing them, that's deliberate, because they can move very silently when they want to. And that's exactly what this thing did. To go back to what I was saying, as I went through the pine trees, it was probably 50 yards

of, you know, the thick pines, and then beyond that was more mountain laurel, which is extremely thick stuff. I don't know if you guys have mountain lore out there, but it's like almost like a vine-like tree, and it grows together and intertwine. It's almost the perfect hiding spot. gets about 9 to 10 feet tall and could be, you know, this area just so happens to be hundreds and hundreds of yards of it on the side of a mountain. So if something wanted to hide, that would be the place to do it.

Yeah, I think the biggest thing, when you say, Jim, is when you see these things, it's hard to put, you know, and I feel sorry for you that people are taking shots at you. I think it's to be expected until it comes out, you know, out in the mainstream. And it's all fun at games until you actually run it. to one, then you, you know what I mean? But isn't it shocking when you see something that large? I think that was the biggest thing for me is just realizing how physically large they are. Shocking, I think, doesn't even really describe it because when it turned to walk between the trees and I saw how big it was, it scared the shit out of me. And that was when I just,

I froze. I didn't know what to do. And that's why the two people that I told, They asked me, they're like, why the hell did you walk over to where it was and are you nuts? So, like, if you really saw this, why did you go? And to this day, I still don't know why I went because it was probably, I still was, I didn't really know Bigfoot existed. Like, I heard about Bigfoot, but to me it was not real. You know what I mean? So when I did walk over, I did feel kind of safe because I had a shotgun. albeit it only had birdshot in it, but still I had a gun, you know, and that made me feel a little more safe and secure.

So I went over, I held my shotgun up and I'm like, my God, I'm 5'9, almost 5'10, and I'm holding my shotgun, you know, four feet in the air to where, you know, its head was. This animal was huge. What the hell was this? These things, and we hear time and again where somebody had a gun, and they seemed to recognize, what that was, or at least the fact that it was a danger. And I'm sure, you know, they've watched humans hunting and killing animals for eons and are well aware of what the capabilities of those things are. So that's probably why it was so wary of you and got out of there quickly.

To kind of touch on that a little bit, Will. This took place in Mitchel State Forest, M-I-C-H-A-U-U-X, State Forest in Pennsylvania, which is near Gettysburg. I know you guys have heard of Gettysburg. Right. It's about 30, 45 minutes from Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. I, after all this took place, thought to myself, because this is state forest, so it gets hunted pretty hard. I thought to myself, there's no way.

I'm the only person on this planet that has seen this thing here with all the people, I mean, thousands and thousands of people that come to this place to hunt, you know, fish. camp, hike, whatever, there can't be, I can't be the only person that's seen this. So I did a little digging, and it turns out that it's actually pretty big hotspot for these things. Pretty common. They've been, it is very common, exactly. And, you know, ever since then, I go out there, any chance that I get to look, I'm not one of those people that goes out and beats on trees and, you know, screams in the woods. hoping to get, you know, some sort of reaction. Because I, you know, here's the thing.

These things are animals and they're wild animals. And, you know, I watch shows like finding Bigfoot. And there's no surprise to me that these guys never find shit because you're going to So much noise. Yeah, exactly. Like, I mean. In a mild radius. These things, these things are not stupid because, you know, in my research, they've been around.

forever, forever. Correct. Like, they know who we are, they know what we are, they know we're a threat. So what you say is absolutely accurate. If you want to find one of these things, you're not going to do it going in the woods screaming. And, you know, through my research and listening to you guys, this is why I love your show, guys, because you guys are, you guys are legit in the sense that you take the approach of this

being an animal, not some sort of like... Interdimensional, alien. Yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. It's kind of funny, but it's not at the same time. Like, you know, whatever. People can have their own beliefs.

I don't want to be one of those guys that says, you're crazy for thinking that because, you know, people look at me and say, I'm crazy for thinking they exist. Well, you know, witness what I witnessed and then talk. It means that, you know, you're going out there, and I commend you for going to the same spot that you had your encounter, time and time again. I'm assuming that's because you do, in fact,

want to see one again? It's stupid as this sounds? Yeah, I do. Now, a part of me does. After listening to some of your archives shows, because once I found you guys and listened to how real your show is and the approach that you take,

I kind of went back to some of your old stuff and, you know, heard stories that I never knew happened, like, you know, people being abducted, you know, people going missing, I've heard things. like that, but you never correlate those disappearances to

what it could possibly have to do with with these things being predators, you know? In the beginning of all my research, I have to say I kind of fell victim to the friendly forest people because that's all that really is out there mainstream for people to find out, to hear.

You really have to dig to get the real stuff, which is, you know, the stuff where... Yeah, there's so much nonsense out there for so long. Well, that's the kind of stuff that you see on like finding Bigfoot and those things like that, you don't hear

about people going missing. You don't hear that they're predators. You just don't hear that kind of stuff, because that would scare people. Quite frankly, that's why I don't go into the woods without a gun. I won't go for a hike. I won't even walk near woods without

a gun. I want to interject you because... Because... You know, and people might... I want people to understand this. Because we talked about when I mentioned that the creature probably left because you had a firearm. And I'm sure people are thinking, well, how come they're seeing often during hunting season? It isn't necessarily that they're afraid of the rifle. I think they're afraid of the close encounters with somebody with a rifle.

And it could be like some bears, you know, when hunting season's going on, it's almost like ringing the dinner bell when they hear a gunshot. and I know in some places there's actually problems of bears now running towards gunshots because they know that's an easy meal. So it doesn't mean the saskwatches are afraid of hunters and hunting. It just means they probably don't like those close encounters, maybe those accidental encounters with someone with the rifle

because they know that they can get killed. Exactly. And, you know, honestly, some things that kind of run through my mind because I only saw one, but, you know, I don't know if they were more. Exactly. You make you wonder where the other... From listening to your show. If there was any, exactly. And, you know, this thing was large enough that if it wanted to do something,

there would have been nothing I could have done about it. My shotgun wouldn't have done shit. Like, it was birdshot. So all I would have done was pissed it off more, so it could have kicked my ass even harder. Like, there would have been nothing I could have done to this thing. But I didn't feel afraid. I didn't feel threatened.

I could tell that it was giving me the stare, you know, like, hey, I know you're there, and obviously you're looking at me. It was like that feeling, but I didn't feel threatened. There was no noise. I couldn't smell anything. You know, and that's kind of why I've gone back, because I want to see one again, just kind of maybe as confirmation to myself. Right.

In a different scenario, though, like, maybe even a little further away through binoculars would probably be a better way to do it. Well, and you'd be more prepared going into a situation like that with the knowledge that you have now. Right, exactly. And that's the other part of it, guys. Like, I don't want to be one of those guys that falls to the power of suggestion, you know, like, walking into the woods and you hear twig break, you're like, oh, that's squash. You know, that's got to be Sasquatch out there, breaking limbs where, you know, could just be a damn tree, that's dead falling over.

Like, I'm not one of those guys. Like, I looked at hard facts. Yeah, it should be the last thing. It should be the last thing on your mind. You know, weigh the evidence, you know, go see what it really is, and then, you know, if you run into one, then you know what it is. Well, I have a healthy skepticism, because leading up to this, I didn't even believe they were real.

So it took a lot for me to even convince myself that I wasn't just daydreaming, you know. like this really what did it was the width of the creature when it turned to walk between the trees and then me going up to the tree and keeping my eye on where I saw it entering the trees and realizing how tall

it was and how wide it was it could have been nothing else but what I think you were weighing you were weighing the reality based on circumstances and what evidence you were able to pick out of that exactly

the fact because there's no human being that is that why. They're just, we're not that big. Unless this dude was on stilts and he was wearing, you know, pillows on his shoulders, I don't know. It's the only other thing that anybody could have done. And then, you know, then again, the way it was kind of hunched over,

if this dude was on stilts, he would have been, you know, face-planning the mountain. Yeah, I kind of get why you walked over there. I know a lot of people might have a hard time with your, reaction after you saw it. But I think people have to understand when you're sitting there and A, you don't believe these things exist and you kind of come face to face. It almost sounds like an accidental encounter. Like it walked out and was like, oh crap, you're there. And you looked at it. It was like, oh, crap, what are you? It kind of almost seems like an accidental encounter.

But I kind of get, A, I kind of get why he sat there with a shotgun. I probably would have done the same thing and just waited for it to leave since it turned and walked off. But I kind of get why you walked over and putting your shotgun in the air trying to get a height of what you saw. Because I can imagine, and again, I might be speaking way out of line on this, but from having my own encounter, I can imagine what was going through your mind was, A, did I actually see that? Am I going crazy? Was that thing really that big? Did I just daydream all that up? You know, I can imagine all of that going through your mind. So walking over after you felt like it was a safe time to walk over, I kind of understand why you put your shotgun up and go,

holy crap, I just want the thing walk underneath that branch and now it's time to go. I mean, I kind of get it. Yeah, I think you're right with it. I even walked back to where I had my personal counter. Yeah, you know, you go back out and you look at the area

and Jim, I did the same thing as you do. I went back, I used to go back out occasionally and I'd look at that spot and think, God, was that really here? Were those two things here? Did this happen? You know, you run it over and over again in your mind, and I know you and Wes, you and Woody do the same thing.

And that, yeah, I've gone back at least 10 times since then. And also, since doing my research on this area, there have been other areas in that region that, you know, people have said they've seen sightings. And I've gone, you know, trying to find

these places on a map. Like, for example, there's a place called White Rock. it's a bunch of humongous folders that are kind of close to a quarry, I guess. And there's been sightings there. There have been people that have said they heard the roars and all those types of things. Now, again, I've never heard any vocalization.

No tree knocks, no whoops, none of that stuff. I've never experienced any of that. All I saw was visual and it was silent. and it was biggest shit, the biggest thing I've ever seen in my life, actually. And that's the part that really kind of freaked me out. Like, it was just the sheer size of this thing. I was kind of in disbelief, you know?

I couldn't believe I was seeing what I saw. And that's, what you said was 100% accurate, Wes. That is why I went over, because I kind of needed to reconfirm that I wasn't going, crazy. Yeah, no, I get it completely. In fact, your reaction probably would have been, you know, my reaction. I probably would have done the same thing in that situation, you know, not knowing what you're seeing, trying to confirm it. And I understand wanting to go back up too. I mean, I get that too. I mean, it's almost like you, especially with your encounter because it

wasn't really aggressive. Like I said, and I could be way off, but it sounds almost accidental. Like it probably didn't realize you were there until it stepped out and saw you because you were sitting quietly. But I understand wanting to go back and wanting to see it again. You know, it always goes through your mind. Did I see what I actually saw, even though it is what you actually saw? You still have that lingering doubt. Like, am I going nuts? Did I dream that up? And so it's like you almost kind of want to see it again just to confirm to reiterate what you saw before was real. You know what I mean? Yes. And that is exactly it. You're absolutely correct. And that is the part that that's the reason why I continue to go out there, you know, like a part of me wants the encounter,

but, you know, also hearing some of the scary side of things, which I didn't have any of that, really. Like, if it would have grow out of me, I probably would have shipped my pants that I would never go into the woods again, but it didn't. So. The famous underwent moment. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. But that didn't happen. So, and I'm not saying I want that to happen because, you know, I enjoy the world. woods. And a part of me kind of wishes I never saw this. I wish that, you know, I could go on living my life being oblivious and ignorant to the subject. But that's not the case. I saw what I saw. I know it's real. I know what I saw was real. And, you know, for people that think that these things are hoaxes or, and there are hoaxes, you know, like I, I read, it was maybe a couple years ago now,

the guy that was in the gilly suit running around on the street and got hit by a car and because, you know, he was trying to imitate Bigfoot. Like, there are idiots out there that do this. But here's the thing. This would, this, that means that this person, if they wanted the hoax of Bigfoot hoaxing, to just little old Jim, they would have known where I was going to be, when I was going to be there, and know that I wasn't going to blow their head off with a shotgun to do all this. Yeah, you have to look at the context of the situation.

Yeah, how long do you know you were. We're going to be in that spot and see something and so on. And not be aggressive to it, you know? Absolutely. There are people out there that probably, you know, they should first ask questions later. Absolutely. I've interviewed plenty of them. Right.

Now, don't get me wrong. I think that that's probably what it's going to take for this to blow up and come out, is going to take a body? Absolutely. Absolutely. That's what it's going to take. There's, you know, there's no if and the bus. It doesn't matter how clear of a picture you get or how many videos you get. Nothing less will suffice.

Yeah, there needs to be verifiable, a full body, a head, an arm, a leg, something, you know, that isn't, you know, just DNA. Because I don't even think just DNA would work. No, it would. I really don't. I think it's going to take a full body because they'll just explain it away. I mean, there is. No, you've got to have one of a slav. Yes.

Exactly. It will definitely take a foolbody to make it come out on the mainstream. And, you know, I was listening to one of your recent shows where you guys were kind of talking about the ramifications of such a thing coming out, you know, with it affecting the parks and the revenue. And, you know, I understand. It makes perfect sense because it is trillions of dollars, trillions of dollars. And, you know, if it does come to light that these things are dangerous, you know,

they're predators. And who knows? Jesus, if they eat people, you know, I think about that. Every time I go on a hike. Well, yeah. Every time I go on a hike and I have my, you know, I have a six-year-old daughter and I take her with me, you know, when we go hiking, I do not let her out of my sight. Like she is, you know, right on top of me, you know, and we're, you know, she's by my side or I'm holding her hand or, you know, and it doesn't matter if we're on a, you know, well-populated area, hiking, knowing this, scarce. Yeah, Jim, your state is one of the top on the list for missing people.

I know. You know, from wilderness area. Well, I mean, Appalachian Trail, that's, we have a lot of land in Pennsylvania, tons, and it would not be difficult. I mean, regardless of how big these things are, and that's kind of like my two friends that I did talk to about this, so like, all right, dude, if what you saw was real, And where you were, you know how many hunters are in that area.

I'm like, yeah, I do. Like, I went there opening day, you know, just a couple years ago for rifle season. And I'm not kidding when I say this, every 100 yards you saw orange. And, you know, opening day comes 7.30 a.m. in the morning, it sounded like Iraq. Like, it was nothing but a war zone. Like, every second, there was gunfire. So, you know, they're, and they have every right to think this way. But if there's that many people in the woods, how do they not get seen?

If they're this big, how do they not? get seen. And I really don't have the answer. You know, I don't know. Maybe I don't know. But I know that it disappeared away from me and I didn't take my eyes off of the spot that it was and it got away from me without me hearing or seeing it. And if it's that stealthy, it can do whatever the hell it wants. If it lives in the woods, we don't live in the woods. And I'll tell you something. What people are thinking about that, they're thinking that these things are just bumbling around and wandering through the woods. That's not what's happening. If they're up, up and awake in the daytime, they're hunting, which means they're in a concealed position, ambush hunting deer.

So they're not going to be seen. Well, and you know, here's my thing. How often do you see bears? How often do you see mountain lions? How often do you really see any wildlife when you're in the woods? Like, we are not part of the woods. Yeah, they're afraid of people. Yeah, they're afraid of people.

Yes, exactly. We make so much damn noise when we walk through the woods compared to the woods, compared to the creatures that live in the woods 24-7. Absolutely. We stick out like a sore dog. They know we're coming. Now, does a Sasquatch or Bigfoot get laxedaisical every once in a while? Yeah, probably, because, you know, what you guys said,

maybe that was a situation that I ran into. And it could have been a young inexperienced one. You know, I mean, things happen. I think more hunters see them than they come out and talk about, you know, hunters, I'll tell you one thing about hunters. Hunters, it's very, very, very hard to get a hunter to come forward. It's easier to get a cop to come forward and talk about an encounter or a cover-up than it is to get a hunter to come on and say, hey, I saw this when I was on the woods.

For whatever reason, it's something I'll never understand until the day I die. Hunters rarely will ever talk about. And loggers. Loggers are another group. And loggers. Those two groups are almost. Well, I can tell you why. I can tell you why because I am a hunter.

I'll tell you why, because, you know, quite frankly, there's like a code. Like, you don't want to be ridiculed. That's what it is. You don't want to feel stupid or be made fun of. And quite frankly, it's very difficult to wrap your head around something when you've grown up, you know, hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, and you spent your entire life in the woods and you've never seen anything like this. And then all of a sudden, everything you thought you knew, you have. have to rethink. Yes, it's not your frame of reference at all.

Exactly. Exactly. Like if you're a woodman and you spend all this time in the woods doing these things and then all of a sudden you see something like this, like you said, Will, it is not in your frame of reference whatsoever. You wonder here you... It's so far removed. How could this exist?

Yeah, you question everything you've ever learned. Exactly. And that's exactly what happened to me, which is exactly why I've gone back, is why I continue to go out. Now, again, like I said, when I go out, I'm not beaten on trees and making noise. I am literally sneaking through the woods, trying to, I don't really even know what I'm trying to do. I just want to have it happen again, but.

Well, you're in hunting mode. Tracking, trying to, I don't know, like I, I, I, trying to, I mean. Yeah, you're trying to see them in their environment and the only way a real hunting is that is. to move in stealthily. Right. You know, the business running around, tanking on trees, screaming, and all this stupid stuff.

I mean, that stuff to me makes absolutely no common sense whatsoever. I completely agree. You know, it's like ringing the doorbell saying I'm here, now leave. Right. Right. If you were, if you're chasing, you know, if you're stalking deer or driving deer, that's one thing that you make noise because you want them to move,

but that's a. You know, that's us as predators setting up an ambush. That's exactly what it is. Well, you don't want to do that with these things. Right. When, you know, hunting, you know, the old story, it's been regurgitated for generations about, you know, when you're taught to hunt deer when you're a kid, that if your safety's on, just that slight little quick will make a deer run. Absolutely. None has happened to me so many times.

Yeah. Yeah. So the net effect of going out and beating on trees screaming. I mean, it just bought, like Renee DeHenda. You just to say it boggles the mind whoever dreamed that whole thing up and white people would buy into it. I simply don't understand it.

Well, people buy in it today because that's what you see on TV. Yeah, that's true. And if that's people's only reference point, then that's what people are going to do. How many episodes now are they finding Bigfoot? 30, 40. never found anything.

How many have they found? Exactly. I think at some point somebody would figure out the shit you're not doing isn't working. It's the definition of insanity, you know, doing the same thing. Yeah, doing the same thing over and over. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So it's all, it's a game.

It's turned into a business. But, you know, I want to do the scientific side of things. Like, I'm not saying I'm going out there with a game plan of killing one of these things, because that's not what I want to do. I'm not one of those guys that, you know, wants to kill one. I just want, I want for me, solely for me, to see another one and hope that it doesn't kill me in the process. Yeah. Well, you hope that, too.

You're going to have you to be safe and nothing bad to happen. Well, I don't go. I don't go by myself. You know, when I do go, I'll take a buddy. I don't tell them what we're going to do. I didn't tell him we're going on a hike. You're going to make sure he gets an underwear changing moments. Yeah, we've heard that story before.

I took a buddy out. You know, well, here's the thing. Thanks a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And then when it's all done, I'll be like, and then I'll be like, and then I'll be like, I told you. Yeah.

Right. Why didn't you listen to me the first time? That's right. You wouldn't be on changing your pants right now if you wouldn't listen to me. Right. Well, we're probably, you know, depending on the experience, we'll both probably be changing our pants. Yeah. It is what it is. I know what I saw. And, you know, quite frankly, I do want to see one again, but maybe not close up. I was pretty lucky myself. I had a second sighting in 1988, and the creature was about 60, 80 feet away across a narrow point.

the river. So that's the kind you want if you're going to have a second one. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, something a little safe with a buffer between you and them. Yeah. Exactly. If they know what a weapon is, which I believe they do, I don't see how they

couldn't because you know, I've heard I've read things online, you know, where... Too many accounts. Yeah, there's too many accounts. And they probably have some form of they have to have some form of communication

and you know they're obviously they're obviously pretty damn intelligent right so well we appreciate you coming on the show and and sharing your encounter man very much it was a cool

it was a cool encounter to hear kind of your behavior and then the Sasquatch's behavior I think it really was an accent encounter. I mean, I could be completely wrong, but it sounds like it was an accidental encounter, and I just can't think enough for coming on the show. Yes, now I do have one more question for you guys. Absolutely.

You guys have said that there are four different types, correct? Correct. Can you describe the four different types to me, please? Okay, we don't have the complete picture, but I'll tell you what we know so far. The type one is like what you see in the Patterson film. Now, I'm going to jump to the type four. is because the type fours and the type ones are somewhat similar. The only difference being the type four is often described as having a much more human-like face,

not without quite so much hairs, the type one. They're a little smaller, but the heads are large. And the type ones and fours don't have, they have squared teeth like ours. They don't have canines, and they walk primarily bipedally. The type twos and threes, the twos and threes are as big as the type ones, They're all the very large Sasquatch type creatures. The twos and threes have the large canines. The type three has a little bit more of a protruding face.

Described a lot of times almost like a baboons. That would be the dog man, correct? That's what people are calling the dog man, right? Right. But again, it is much more ape-like and not dog-like. That's just kind of the, I think, the general description people give. You know, it's a quick reference. Right, exactly.

Those two types will walk, they'll use all fours like gorillas and chimps do as often as they walk on two legs. So that's pretty much in a nutshell, the four types. Now, here's my question. Are these, and I obviously I know no one really has the answer, but my thought process on this, as soon as you start saying it, is like is one type, like type one and one at four a little bit more evolved than the two and the three? They're probably, and I'm just guessing, you know, shooting in the dark here, probably subspecies of one type of creature. But each, you know, it's like if you look at the family of great apes and you have several types of creatures that fit into the great ape family, these things are probably something along those lines. I mean, that's just kind of, you know, throwing something out there in midair.

We'd have to ask our friend Mark Dobbs, our anthropologist friend, to maybe elaborate on that sometime. Well, like, I believe that it could be a spin off of giganticis. It's possible, or it's, or there's something entirely different. I mean, there's a lot of gaps in the anthropological record, so, you know, there's room in there for lots of different things. It's interesting. It's very interesting. Yep, fascinating. Well, listen, guys, I really appreciate you guys having me on and let me share my encounter.

It was awesome. and this is something that I'm looking forward to digging into more. And, you know, I would love to have you guys come out to the East Coast and come out, like,

go out on an expedition or something or, you know, I'd like to organize something like that. I think it would be obviously I know everybody has jobs and it takes money to do all this stuff, but, you know, it's... We'll keep in touch with us and we'll do it. Absolutely. And quite frankly,

I'm looking for a reason to take a vacation. I want to come out there because that seems to be like whenever you hear about Sasquatch, the West Coast, you know, where you guys live, there's a lot more going out there than it seems to be over here anyway. At least that you hear. So I would love to come out there and visit you guys and go. Yeah, man, anytime. I'll take you out. Cool. But you guys have to give me at least like an AR-15 or something.

Like, I'm not going out. Grenade launcher. something something big that goes boom yeah no we can't thank you enough for coming on man very much and definitely keep in touch with us we'd be open to you organize an expedition we'll

we'll find a way to get out there if you want to come out here we'll take you out man absolutely I will most definitely stay in touch I appreciate you guys having me on you guys have a wonderful night Shannon thank you thank you Jim yeah thank you Jim

interesting account and artist and story Yeah, I think you're right on the money there, Wes. It probably was very much a chance encounter. I don't think there was, you know, the two just kind of stumbled into each other. Yeah, then you hear that's reaction. You know, he's reaching for the shotgun slowly grabbing it. Yeah, and it's probably thinking time.

Yeah, it's like time to go. I love hearing how people go. That thing was massive, four feet across, nine feet tall, and I didn't hear it leave. That's incredible. Yeah, we hear that a lot, though. I hear that in a lot of encounters. One thing that, you know, I don't think a lot of people caught on to, he never really heard it come up on him.

And he was just sitting there on a rock. Yeah. So that kind of tells you how stealthy. It probably didn't know he was there. They are stealthy. I mean, he's right on by saying they're the Forrest Ninja because they are very, very stealthy when moving in and out of, you know, coming into, you know, he was probably on that open trail.

So it was probably being stealthy just in case, knowing that's a traveled area where humans go. And he talked about all the hunters being an area where it's a sea of orange, you know, and it sounded like it was in Iraq. You know, that's a situation they would be extremely stealthy in. They would know when to be in survival mode. They know when it's hunting season. You know, they recognize that stuff like you said well.

I think they're always in survival mode. And this is just in the newsroom. The rumors about Dr. Melda-Catcham documenting the brating of horses' maines seem to be true. It says in here, my next video is about the way Sasquatch braid horses mains. They primarily

use the same patterns worldwide. Just when you think they don't get any crazier. She's a doctor, right? Hell, I can't even braid my own hair. The Sasquatch can brain? She actually was a real doctor at one time, right? She actually did DNA

stuff and Yeah, whatever. wasn't she a veterinarian? I think that's what her doctorate is in. I think she was a doctor of veterinary medicine. Yeah, I'm looking at pictures of horses with their mains, braided. She's showing you the different,

almost like we talk about the different types. She's showing different types of braiding. Well, that gives a whole new meaning to my little pony, doesn't it? Now, wait a minute, now, if they're braiding horse hair, how come they're not doing it to each other? How come we're not getting reports of Sasquatches with these nice little braids? You know,

and things like that. I kind of, I want to know these questions. You know, we do reports that, you know, with the arms are up, they can see the hair in the hair. And the hair's hanging down. You can even braid. You can even braid that hair. Shoot.

That's right. So how come they're about braiding each other's hair? Good point, Will. Thank you. I was telling Will earlier, Shannon. So this, what's it called Will? Is it read it or read it? Yeah, yeah.

I'm not sure exactly how I put out that I think it's read it. God, I feel so old. Like, what is that Facebook thing called? The read edit, I think it's dot com. They, they, people are posting a lot of their Sasquatch encounters on there. And I was reading one. And I'll tell you about the encounter here in a minute. I was telling Will this earlier in the day.

This guy was telling you about his Sasquatch encounter. And when you get in, well, Here's the bulk of the encounter. This guy moves to Whitehall, New York, and he was laying in bed, and he started crying in the middle of the night. So this guy just starts just tears are pouring down his face, and he can't figure out why he's crying. But he's just bawling. And he's laying there in bed, and the door, he lives upstairs, his bedroom was upstairs. The door slams open, and he sits up in bed.

it's like 2 o'clock in the morning. And he hears this thing walking downstairs in his house. And he can hear every footstep. He said it sounded like a giant down there walking. And it's moving furniture around. And so he's thinking that his house is getting broken to. He grabs a baseball bat from underneath his bed and waits at the top of the stairs. And he can hear this thing coming up the stairs, step, step, step as it's walking up the stairs.

And he's going to hit this guy in the head with a baseball bat. because he thinks it's an intruder. And what comes up the stairs, he said, was this black outline of this huge figure, and it had glowing red eyes. Like they were actually, electricity was lighting up these eyes. There was no features.

This thing was just kind of a, I don't want to say apparition, but it was kind of an outline of something huge with glowing eyes. And he said he became terrified, and he felt like the more he was terrified, the more of this thing was enjoying, him being in fear.

Well, the thing ends up leaving. Again, he's face to face with this thing, and he doesn't see, it's just a, looks like an outline of a shape with glowing red eyes. So he gets done telling the story. Before I tell you some of the comments, which are hilarious, but before I tell you some of the comments, I was telling Will earlier,

you know, I think honestly, if its story is true, this sounds more demonic than it does any of, to do with Sasquatch. It sounds like nothing to do with Sasquatch. But he was telling some of the people in town and they were saying, oh, that's our Sasquatch. And what's odd is his encounter

doesn't sound, there's no behaviors there of anything you hear about Sasquatch. It sounds more demonic. Yeah, there's zero elements to the story that equate to Sasquatch encounters. I mean, it's in the house, it opens the door.

It's got glowing red eye, internally glowing red eyeballs. thing in there. And I agree with you. I think it's more demonic. There's nothing Bigfoot related there. Right. And the town was calling it, they said, quote, our Sasquatch? What kind of town is this? What do they got going on there?

I guess Sasquatch makes everybody. Yeah, it was just Fred. We let him out for the night. Oh, Fred. You know, not to go to Bob's house after two. But the hilarious part is when you read some of the comments in there, a bunch of people were

telling this guy is a flute player. And, like, he had no clue what they were talking about. He's like, what do you mean a flute player? They're like, you're a filthy flute player, man. This story is BS. He's like, I don't play any instruments. He's like, what is a flute player? Westman, they were talking about how people have really picked up that term, you know, and a run with it.

And this guy, this guy was oblivious. Yeah, he was like, I don't play any instruments. I don't play the flute. Yeah. And there was like one after another people were like, you're nothing but a flute player. He's like, what does that mean? I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I think you found a gold mine.

I'm going to have to get on that website every day. There's actually some really good encounters on there. The problem is I don't know how to contact people. It seems like the older I get, the worst I get at technology. I used to be a freaking programmer. Now I can barely turn my computer on and get to blog talk. I think that's technology problem. It's getting too big for its britches because the more time I've been spending on this kind of stuff,

the more frustrating it is to get anything done. And, Will, you got to tell the story for the people who don't know that encounter from, what was it, 1886 or 1882? Well, the Boston Daily Times published an article titled Wild Man Captured with Two Cubs, and this was April 1839. And the story was, there was a gentleman who worked for the, he was an agent for the New York Western Lumber Company. And this was in the Upper Mississippi River Regions. And they said there was a, or the article was about a living American orangutan or wild men of the woods with two small cubs supposed to be about three months old, the article states. Apparently, the story goes, and I'm just kind of kind of go through it quickly, where these parlorogers saw this creature. And they said it was this giant monster.

They saw us standing on log. And so they decided to go after it. and a group of local Indians went with these bloggers, and the Indians actually shot the thing in the calf, which brought it down, and then they tied it up, brought it to their camp, and then I believe it was the next day. I had to go through the article to see,

but the two young ones showed up, and the adult went crazy when the thing saw the two young ones, but they nearly escaped, so they, you know, strengthened the bonds that held it, and the two young ones weren't afraid of the men, apparently having no knowledge of humans,

so they seem to be fairly docile. They talk about the description of the thing. It's a really interesting article. Okay, let me, I'm going to read this. So they arrived at the bluff on the afternoon in 21st of January, and it camped in a cave or grotto at the foot of the hill early next morning. Two of the Indians were set out to reconnoiter, and at about an hour return, they said they had seen the wild man on the other side of the hill,

The whole party immediately prepared for pursuit. Mr. Lincoln gave positive orders to the man not to fire upon him unless it should be necessary in self-defense, as he wished it possible to take him alive. The Indian stated, although a very powerful creature, he was believed to be perfectly harmless, as he always fled at the approach of men. While Mr. Lincoln was giving his orders, the wild man appeared in sight. He ordered them to remain perfectly quiet and taking out his pocketbass, or made him minutely. he appeared to be about eight or nine feet high, very athletic, and more like a beast standing erect than a man. After satisfying himself with regard to the character,

he ordered the men to advance. The Indians had provided themselves with ropes and prepared to catch wild horses, which they roped it and stare the creature without maiming him. So they captured this thing. They actually chased it quite a ways. As they would get closer, it would increase its speed, but they apparently

eventually overpowered the thing by shooting it in the leg. He talks about how in the morning, towards the morning two cubs about two cubs about three feet high and very similar to the large monster came into the camp. They were taken without resistance. As soon as the monster saw them, he became very furious, gnashing its teeth and thrashing about,

but then they retied the ropes and it was not escaping. And it goes on to talk about, the two cubs took the food whatever they were given to eat right away the adult would need anything but need it refused vegetables and any other breads or anything they measured the creature

they said it was 8 feet 3 inches high says his frame is of gigantic proportions in every part his legs are not straight but like those of a dog or other four-footed animals and I think not reversed you know like dogs are but I think what they're referring to is the fact that Sasquatch's legs don't straighten out they're

was bent at the knees. And so his body's covered with a hide very much like that of a cow. Arms are very long and ill proportion, which is true. The Sasquatch arms are totally proportioned different than human arms with the forearms being longer, you know, like that of a gorilla or a chimp. And they said the fingers and toes were near bunches armed with stout claws. His head is covered with thick, coarse black hair like the mane of horse. and not for Melville to braid.

The appearance of accountants, such as me be called, very disgusting, nay, almost horrible. So she wouldn't want to braid his hair anyway. Covered with a thinner and lighter coat of hair than the rest of the body talking about the face. There was no appearance of eyebrows, nose, or mouth. The mouth is very large and wide, and similar to that of a baboon.

So this kind of makes me think this is a type three. if it had that protruding mouth and nose feature. So his eyes are dull, quite dull and heavy, and there's no indication of cunning or activity about them. So, and it's just, it's a very interesting article. I would, you know, recommend anyone to go and check this article out. It's on, I have it on my blog. It's the latest post that I have up there.

But they were going to display these creatures for exhibit, it, but I've never seen any, you know, articles that were written after that. So I don't really know. It's very interesting, though. You have to put that up on the website, man. We'll work on it until it goes live. Actually, I do have it up there. Oh, do?

Oh, cool. I want to remind everyone, our website goes live December 1st, and we'll be having free content and paid content for those of you who enjoy the show. you'll be able to get more shows through the paid content that we'll have on there. And we'll have all the website address and everything as we get closer to December 1st. But I think people are really going to enjoy that website. There's so much information. I was on there the other day and I was like, Jesus, man, there's so much information on here that we've posted.

And we're just getting started. There's going to be a ton more on there. The old accounts are really, and you know what's great about the old ones is there weren't any of today's background information or filters for stuff. You know, there's a lot of stuff that goes into accounts written today that's, you know, there could be artifacts in people's minds, you know, that they put in there that were, they maybe heard somewhere else. Those stories way back then, they were just telling information straight as they had it.

Yeah, there's a completely different tone when you're reading the older stories. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I mean, for a story that's, you know, what, 184 years old or, 180 years old. And it's pretty consistent what we hear today. Very, very consistent. And not to get you off topic

off the old stories, but on Monday nights Shannon has a show. She'll be doing it. It's the wrap-up show. Monday nights, 5 p.m. Here on Blog Talk Radio, they'll get uploaded to iTunes. But if you want to call in and talk with Shannon, or if you

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It turned out really well. Remind everyone again, our website goes live December 1st. And until next week, everyone, appreciate you listening. Have a great weekend. And we will see you. Being across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your end.

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