Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:622 What Was That?

Episode Date: February 2, 2020

Tonight I will be speaking to three eyewitnesses. My first guest Carl comes to us from Ohio, and he shares with us an encounter he had as a child outside their rural Ohio home.   Our second guest Scott (also from Ohio) writes, ""My encounter took place in the fall of 1983 or 1984. Me and a friend were coming back from getting Pizza around 6:30 at night as you know in the fall the sun goes down early so it was quite dark along this stretch of road. This road was 2 lanes with a 3-foot berm that was 2 or 3 feet lower than the fields beside the road. we were coming around a corner and we saw a dark mass standing on the side of the road. When we got closer we could see it was brown and very tall, my friend had a Subaru that had a sunroof in it and when we drove by it looked down at us it's head was over the road and I look through the sunroof and its head was right there. I couldn't make out any facial features but the eye shine was red. We just looked at each other and said did you just see that we both agreed we did and agreed not to say anything about it. Because people would think we were crazy.   I did go back to the location the next morning and looked around but I didn't see any tracks just some mashed down grass.   Judging from the distance from the road it had to be a least 9 and a half to 10 feet tall"   We'll wrap up tonight with Jason from Upstate New York who shares a few encounters, including a strange object in the sky.   Visit www.sasquatchchronicles.com for additional weekly shows and exclusive content.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquod's, Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. We're going to be talking to Carl. And Carl comes to us from Ohio, and this encounter took place many years ago. They kind of lived out in a rural area. And as Carl and his

family were pulling in one night, the headlights had lit up this creature standing in the woodline, and Carl kind of explains what he thinks the creature was doing and how they interrupted it. We're also going to be talking to Scott. Scott comes to us from Ohio, and him and a buddy of his were driving down the road, and as he came around the corner, there was a creature standing on the side of the road. Scott says as they passed it, the sunroof was open, and the thing was so large he was looking up through the sunroof as it was looking down at him. And then we'll wrap up with Jason. And Jason comes to us from upstate New York.

He's going to be sharing some encounters with us too as well, including one very strange encounter of a craft that was sitting in the sky above him. One night that really upset him and his girlfriend as they were out in the woods. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Carl to the show. Carl, thanks for coming on. Sure thing, Wes. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know that you had an encounter

several years ago in Ohio. If you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning to kind of tell us what you were doing and what happened? First, we'll give you a little lay of the land. It was a nice piece of property. Matter of fact, the property I lived on was in the county that was the highest point in that county. You could stand on top of it on top of the hill on the property we lived, and you could see three different states. It was the beginning of the foothills you had called of the Appalachian Mountain chain. You could be in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, all in a, you know, 20-minute radius. And long story short, it's really, really hilly, beautiful country, really beautiful and great

for deer hunting if you're a hunter. The property I lived on was been in my family for a long time. Grandparents owned it, passed it on to their kids, and then to my father. And we grew up just like any kids, you know, playing in the woods, playing in the pond, playing in the creeks, and never thought anything was out there like that. I was 12 years old. We had went to my grandmothers who lived in a little town there. We lived out in the country.

And like I said, she lived about 30 minutes away. We spent the evening there and came back. It was, I'd say 10 o'clock. I was 12 years old, 12 or 13. I can't really remember. I'm 51 now. It's been so long ago. It's a vague memory.

But I remember that night pretty, I remember that night. It was an eye-opener. We'd come up the driveway, and we had a driveway that kind of wrapped around and then dropped down to a garage that we had. And we had a wood line. My father kept a lot of it mowed, the grass mowed and stuff, and we had a pond, and then we had about 10 foot off of that pond that was mowed all the way around it, and then maybe 12 foot, and then the woodline started.

And he had a pretty big doorway opening, like a, not a doorway, but like a corridor, I guess you'd call it, that went up into the woods that he drove an A& tractor up in would cut wood. And that was about 10 to 15 foot across. And you could actually walk up in it. He kept it mowed in the summertime, so you could make your way up into the woods. And the car had lit that up, lit that whole area up. The car lights did. We were riding in an old car we had with no air conditioning. course the window's down and um i it was really hot that night and the moon was out i remember it was

just a real hot summer night and i was almost like hanging out the window uh just riding with my arm hanging out the window um and looking out the window and when he turned that that bend to make the drop down into our driveway it kind of lit up that whole area and the light stayed on that area for a few seconds the way the road was designed. And then when the car parked, it still was pointing out towards that area. What it did is it lit that area up. And when it did, I saw a big figure standing there. And I couldn't really make out any facial features or anything like that.

Just the fact that you could tell that it had a face and it had shoulders and legs and a body. and it was big. I'm saying 9 foot tall, 8 foot tall, it was really big. And you're looking at about a 25-yard area there. So, I mean, it was kind of hard to gauge the height, except that you know it's big. And when the lights hit it, I did see a little bit of shimmer off of the headlights of the car off of the fur. So I know it was hair covered. and the thing that stood out the most was the shoulders.

This thing, it had to been four or five foot across shoulders. It's just when you're 12 years old, you don't think there's stuff like that in the woods. And it basically, when it's seen those car lights, it kind of stepped back a little. There was a big tree there, and it stepped back a little. And almost it was too big to hide behind the tree, but it kind of shifted its body weight back, body weight back behind the tree a little bit kind of half in half out by the tree and then the car stopped and um i kind of said did you see that well nobody really reacted and um so when the car stopped i jumped out of the car um like a fool i don't know well if i don't know now what i what i what i

if i knew then what i knew now it never got out of the car and uh and ran like i did but i i got out and ran kind of towards a little bit to get a better look. I knew it was far enough away that didn't have to worry about anything jumping out and getting me, but I was staring at it. And by then, the car light shut off, and instantly I heard these puppies crying. And we had a dog that just had seven puppies a few weeks, a couple weeks prior to that. And we had them on a porch, and they were in a box. The box had the top cut off it, so the dog, the mom. The mother could step in and out of, but the puppies couldn't get out of. And they were on our back porch. And you could hear these puppies crying. And this thing didn't move. It didn't, it didn't

seem to really be bothered by our car or us. And the door, you know, the car door slamming or anything. And it just stood there. And the puppies were crying. And my sister come running out. She ran up to my side. And I looked at her and, I don't know. why I whispered. I said, do you see it? And I pointed to it and she saw it. But like I said, it really didn't move much. At that point, when the car light headlights were off, it was just basically a, it was just basically a shadow figure standing there by then because there was a moon out, light in the woods up. I mean, it lit the woods up pretty good. Enough to where you could see, see it still standing there. These puppies were crying and my sister and I decided we're going to go

try to find the puppies because they sounded like they were right at the edge of the woods to the left and i knew we could get there without going in this thing's direction so i took a couple steps about maybe i don't know five or ten steps that way and my dad yelled out uh to stop and so um my sister and i stopped when my dad yelled out this thing took a step um i would say two steps maybe and it was across that 10 to 15 foot opening and to the other side and back into the woods. And it disappeared. And when it disappeared, you could hear it thrashing through the woods. And it sounded like an elephant going through the woods.

It was pretty loud. Yeah, that's quite the encounter. And I'm curious about your dad. Did your dad see it? Or was he just yelling at you? No. You know, I talked to him after that and asked him about it. He never saw it, and he almost played it off.

Like, and I don't know if maybe he was just trying to keep us from being scared or, because to the day, he, he thinks it's a joke, you know. He thinks that Satchewatchewatch is a joke. It doesn't believe in it. Like I said, I grew up hunting there my whole life. I've been to Canada hunting moose and bear. And my whole family are pretty big hunters, you know. We've taken, we track our own bears, everything.

And he's a pretty tough man, you know. And he just would never accept it, you know. And I almost got ridiculed for it. Matter of fact, I really haven't talked to anybody about it. My wife overheard me talking about it, and she kind of made fun of me over it. It was just when that happens, you really don't talk to anybody about it, you know? You don't want to be ridiculed or made fun of, and, of course, not believed, but you know what happens. I talked to my sister about it.

She knew what she saw, but never really at the time, we never thought Bigfoot. We never thought about that. We were young and never had any encounters or anything like that, so didn't really think much about it. But it always intrigued me. So later on life, I kind of did my own studying and investigating. And the more I looked into it, the more I came to a conclusion, that's what I saw. You know, you know it's not a man. There's no bear really in that area.

Occasionally somebody sees a bear, but it's black bear, you know, nothing big. We don't have any moose. I mean, the biggest animal we'd have around like that would maybe be a bull or a, or, you know, a full-sized cow. But nothing like that stands up on two legs. It's really interesting that the creature didn't react when you guys pulled up and it kind of got hit with the lights. and they tend to do that. They'll freeze. I hear a lot of witnesses say they'll freeze in place.

It did, Wes. You know, when it did finally make a move is when it heard my father yell. And when it did, it started heading away. You could hear it heading away. And the thing is, when it headed away, it made a lot of noise. And I know my father heard that. Asking him about it, we talked about it. He said that it was probably a cow in the woods that had got.

Now, we had a big pasture field next to us that had a lot of cows in there. And he said that maybe one of those cows had got loose in the woods. That was his reaction to it. Right after that happened, these puppies, while all this is going on, these puppies are still barking and crying. I wouldn't call them barking. They were crying. And it was making a lot of noise. And my sister and I wanted to go get them.

So my dad went and got a flashlight. And, of course, we went up into that clearing where, that where it was standing. And I was little nervous walking in there, but I felt better with a flashlight and my dad. And we didn't go that far into the woods, literally maybe 10, 15, 20 yards, something like that. And we set, we found all these puppies. Of course, we gathered them up and got out of the woods. And that was, that was pretty much the end of the, end of that encounter for that night.

But for a few seconds there, you could hear him tearing through the woods. And it sounded more like one. when my dad made that yell. Yeah, and before we go on to the next day when you guys kind of looked around, did you ever find the mother of the dogs? You know what? The mother of the dogs disappeared for a couple days. And when we had a big deck on the back of our house that overlooked the pond in those woods. And we found her, I think it was like maybe a day and a half, two days later.

and she was up under that deck, um, shaking. She didn't want to come out. And so something, you know, you can, you can tell that something had scared her. And, um, you know, after putting two and two together, I realized it whatever, whatever, however those dogs got in the woods, it was because they were carried. And they couldn't, they couldn't walk. They were just small. They were still feeding off the mother, you know.

Makes you wonder if the creature, because there's a lot of reports. of them where people will have puppies or kittens like on their back porch and then one day they're just gone and the mother is nowhere to be found and again it relates a lot to to what you're saying. Because a lot of people say I found my dog two days later hiding in the woods or I found him two days later underneath the deck and it makes you wonder if he had this thing had come in. I'm speculating but it makes you wonder if it was coming in, grab the puppies and you guys

caught it leaving and it dropped them and was hoping it wouldn't be seen. What do you think was going on there? You know, Wes, I think what happened was, I think that was more than one, and I think this one was watching. I think it was looking out for me, I mean, I don't know how these things could carry that many puppies. I mean, I'm sure they're huge, so they could, I don't know how many puppies you can put in a hand, but the next day we saw where there was more than one that went through the woods. you could tell definite you know knockdown area

where something big had ran through the woods and it looked like about three different I guess you would call it pass or corridors where something just ripped through the woods

I think that this one was standing there maybe watching and we pulled up and just kind of interrupted the whole episode you know I know I'm speculating

I wasn't there but it kind of sounds like that's what was going on now when you went back what kind of things did you see You said that there was three different areas where they were ripping through the woods. Well, my father worked a lot.

So the next day, he really didn't go in the woods. And, you know, the next day my sister and I, we walked up into the woods, it was broad daylight. So I wasn't really, wasn't afraid. And you could see where something, you know, was walking through the woods. We had a real dry summer that year. So there was no really footprints. But you could see where something had knocked the weeds down and the thicket and the, and, And there was a lot of limbs broke off at a pretty good height at like seven foot height where something tore through the woods and broke limbs off.

And some of the limbs were green. I mean, they weren't dry dead limbs. They were broke. And where these things had ran went into a big clearing and opening. I should have called a clearing, but an opening in the woods that basically went through our property and it cut. our woods in two different sections. And it was full of just briars and raspberry bushes and thicket. And I even remember picking berries and stuff.

You couldn't go up in there without getting tore up. I mean, there was no way you could just walk into it. There was no paths that really went through it except maybe like deer paths, but nothing that was clear cut that a person could just walk through without getting tore up. and you could tell where something ran through that and just literally just opened it up when it ran through it. Well, it's a lot different, I think, when you're 12, 13 years old and you're run into one than when you're 40, 50 years old

because there's not quite that fear. You know, unless obviously it's growling or it's coming for you, anyone's going to have fear. But I think of, you know, being, what did you say, 51, pulling up now seeing that, you're like everyone get in the house, lock the doors. Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't want no parts of it. You know, it changed the way I looked at the woods.

At 12 years old, I already was hunting on my own, you know, rabbit and squirrel and occasional deer hunting and stuff. And been out in the woods a lot with my dad. And he taught me a lot, even at a young age, even before I was old enough to have a gun, I would go through the woods with him when he hunted and I had a makeshift. It looked like a gun, you know, that was like a toy gun. and I would go with him and he would teach me how to track and how to hunt and what what to look for. And, you know, so I was pretty well versed in the woods, even at 12 years old. So I knew what was out there.

You knew, knew the animals, knew the lay of the land. And I knew that there was nothing like that out there. I knew when I saw that even at 12 years old without, you know, of course your mind goes in a million different directions. you know, what you're looking at. But I knew it was big and I knew that the woods didn't hold anything that was on two legs and it was eight foot or nine foot tall. I hear you. It's a fascinating count. Did anything else ever happen on that property or was it kind of a one-time incident?

That was a one-time incident. Now, after that, like I said, it opened my eyes a lot and I kind of always, when I was in the woods, I always had eyes in the back of my head. And I always kind of was a little more observant. I did notice after that. And this was before YouTube and, you know, of course, all the technology we have now with all the different TV shows and stuff. There wasn't really a lot of outlets to plug into to look and see what a satchewatchewat is or what their habits or other people's encounters.

So then you kind of just went by with what you knew. And I never knew anything about structures, stick structures, and tree structures and stuff like that and nest. But now after watching all the programs I've seen and looking into it, I know now that my sister and I, in playing in these woods, we'd encountered some of these, I guess you'd call them nest and didn't even know about it. Didn't know what they were at the time. And they looked like they were made out of like, I guess you'd call them grape vines. and we had a lot of those on our property, and they almost looked like they were woven, like I guess you'd call it like an igloo, is what it kind of looked like. You know, you hear, there's a lot of people that talk about the nests and stuff.

What did you think, do you think someone came on your property and just made this, or what were you thinking at the time? It didn't, I didn't know. I couldn't tell you at the time. I didn't know what it was. We just were fascinated by it, and actually we kind of played in it. You know, we were kids playing around in it and playing it. We didn't know. We thought maybe other kids or somebody tried to build a makeship fort.

You know, we didn't really didn't know. We just, at that age, you don't really have an idea what it is. You just kind of still in your youth playing around, you know, and didn't really put too much thought to it. Like I said, now when I've gotten older, I realize that that was probably, you know, a nest. and but the thing is I never really saw anything like that anything around and never had any weird feelings in the woods never felt like anything was watching me before that after after that happened there'd been a few times of deer hunting where I got that same feeling of the back of the hair

standing on your neck and feeling like you're being watched I had that happen a few times as I gotten older and hunted that property but never had any other encounters I had like I said out deer hunting, I got that feeling, that real uneasy feeling and almost like a fear. It came over me a couple times. And the only other time I had that was when I had got out of the car and ran over to get a better look at this thing. And for some reason, like I said, I had a really, it gave me a really bad feeling, a really, really uneasy feeling, almost like he was looking at something evil is what it felt like to me. and I don't know if that's my imagination or the fact that I'm just looking at something I didn't know what I was seeing. But more than being puzzled, I had a feeling of fear came over me when I saw this thing.

Yeah, it's a fascinating account. I mean, it really is, Carl. I enjoy accounts like this, you know. And, you know, your dad is a lot like a lot of people, you know, especially hunters. I find this very common with hunters to where there be, beyond skeptical to where it's almost ridiculous. You know, skepticism is good, of course, but they're beyond skeptical. And the only thing I've come up with over the years of talking to so many people

is that they don't want to give up hunting. And so it's much easier to go, well, it was a cow. It was, you know, like I said, I've said it many times on the show. I can't tell you how many hunters I talked to that go. I've never seen a Sasquatch, but let me tell you about this weird bear I saw. and, you know, it's a bear up right, you know, running a marathon on two legs. And so I think a lot of times, and, you know, hunters are smart. They know it's not a bear.

I know it's not a bear. But I think that they do that so that they don't have to give up hunting because it's such a love that they have that if they come to the conclusion, something like this is out there, then they probably have to give up hunting and they don't want to do that. But it is a fascinating account. What do you think that they are, Carl? What's your opinion as far as what? You know what, Wes? That's a million dollar question. If I could answer that, I could make a lot of money. You know, I think that's a question that we can, you could write a book on if you knew the answer. But, you know, every time I think I have an idea of what it is, I hear something different and it changes my outlook on it. It's kind of how far you want to go down the rabbit hole, you know. I think being the fact that it was, you know, was going to eat the puppies. I kind of lead maybe towards more that it's an animal because it's got to eat.

It lives in the woods. And you know what? Another thing that people don't realize is sometimes these things aren't as far out as people think they are. You know, we lived out in the country, but we didn't live out, you know, to where, and we're 20 minutes from the populated area. I mean, we went like we were out so far that we're on the side of a mountain or are out in the middle of a on top of a mountain or something. We were just out in a rural area with a lot of land around us.

So I think I'd go more towards it. It's something maybe natural. But then you say that, and then you hear stories of people telling you that they see lights with it and other things. You know, and the Indians, the Native Americans talk more of a folklore.

You know, they have with it and a tradition with it. So it's kind of hard to put your finger on. on what it is, you know? Yeah, and that's a fair answer. And again, there's no wrong answer, but it's definitely a fair answer, right? I'm with you. I mean, there was a time where I was like, nah, it's an ape, it's an ape.

And then when you start really listening to people, when you really start hearing what they're telling you and, you know, they'll send you pictures and then all of a sudden you're like, I'm not so sure this is an ape. Yeah. So it is. It's one of those things to where right when you think you have it figured out, wait 24 hours, you probably have nothing figured out. Yeah.

It's kind of a frustrating topic, to be honest with you. It's, that's, that's my point. It is every time you think you've got it figured out and, you kind of can put it in a, in a category, it changes and just totally,

it totally changes on you. And then you have to start re-evaluating what you, what you thought. The biggest thing for me was the fact that I lived there so long and played in those woods and camped in those woods. And, to find out that something like that was in those woods. Me personally, I think maybe it was just passing through

because I never had another encounter and never really, besides seeing the tree structures a couple times and the nest that we found, I never really saw any other sign of it. Well, thank God I didn't get violent. You know what I mean? Thank goodness that I didn't turn on you guys. Because I tend to agree with you. I think they were probably going to eat those puppies.

And you know, the, Dogs like that, something really, really has to shake them up for a dog to hide underneath a deck for days and really not worry about her puppies. Something must have terrified that dog. It probably walked up and grabbed them. Yeah. Another thing, too, is when we found those puppies, they were shaking. I mean, it wasn't like they were just disoriented or lost. They were shaking.

I mean, they were shaking, and a couple of them were peeing when we picked them up. They were, you know, for an animal to start urinating like that, it has to be pretty, pretty scared, you know. Yeah, no doubt. Well, I'm glad you got the puppies back. Yeah. And I appreciate coming on, Carl. That was, I really enjoyed hearing your encounter. A lot of, definitely a lot going on in Ohio.

You have, you know, after looking on YouTube and stuff, I found out that the salt fork area has pretty, got a lot of activity. and, you know, I never really heard any other stories from anybody else around there. But, you know, I've done a lot of tube and looking on the TV program and stuff. You see that, you know, in different podcasts, especially your podcasts. I hear a lot of people talking about stuff going on in Ohio. I never really realized that there was that much activity in that area. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Well, Carl, thank you again for coming on.

It's been my pleasure and thank you. Thank you, Wes. And I just want to thank you the fact that you have an outlet for people to kind of tell their stories and have a place that somebody can share their encounters. Because there's not a lot of places out there that you can do that. And I really respect the hell out of you, man, and the fact that you're open-minded about it, but you're not bought into it too much that you're not objective to it. You know, I think you asked the right questions and you let people tell their story. And like I said, I respect the hell to you for it. And I think it takes a special person to be able to do that.

Thanks, brother. That means a lot. Sure thing. Well, next up on the show, I want to welcome Scott. Scott, thanks for coming on. Hey, no problem. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here.

And I know you had an encounter in Ohio. And this was several years back, wasn't it, Scott? Yeah, it was like 20-some odd years back ago. Okay. Well, if you would, just kind of start from the beginning and tell us what. you were doing and what did you see? Well, me and a friend of mine were going to go to the next town over to get a order of some pizza for a party we were having that night.

And it was getting almost dark when we left. And on the way back, it was pitch black pretty much. And we're coming down to the zone. If anybody's ever lived in the old rural Ohio County is up there, it's like there's no streetlights or anything. It's pitch black. And we were coming around this one corner, probably about 40, 40 or 45 miles an hour probably.

And seen something to be. go on the side of the road and when we drove by i had to look up through the sunroof that we were in the car we had a sunroof in it looked up and i saw two big red eyes looking down at me um it was on the side of the road had to been probably eight eight and a half feet tall maybe maybe a little bit more we looked at each other and said did you see that yeah okay well we didn't say anything else after that because you know people at that time thought you were crazy when you talked about that kind of stuff especially up there in ohio where we were from so we just kind of kept it to ourselves the whole time and

pretty much it. I mean, I went back the next day and looked and made some measurements and stuff and it had to have been, I'd say eight and a half, nine feet tall to look over the road like that. Was it shape like a man? Was it like a man? It was. Yeah, it was, you can see like a head and shoulders

but in the darkness, it was so, happen so quick that you could barely make out any features of it, but you can see like a head and shoulders and it was like hunched over, leaning out over the road itself. So, is it standing up? on two legs he'd definitely see if we were standing up you guys must have been pretty close passing by yeah we were probably within yeah probably eight feet maybe nine feet of it one person on the side of the

road the roads up there where we were from they had he had like a two-foot berm on the side and then it went out and went up like another little berm to the farmer's field where this happened to be at it was like another two feet high in the air and he was looks like he was standing or whatever it was standing up on top of that bank one foot down on the berm one foot up on the bank looking like looking out over the road like he was getting ready to take a step to go across the road when we happen to come by there and see it so the other question i want to ask you was about the eyes i know you had mentioned red eyes right uh were they was it eyes shine do you think or were they glowing what it looked to thinking back about it what it looked for me like is you know when you

took a snapshot with the old photo with the old flashbulbs on how your eyes would turn red in the picture yeah that's what that's what it looked like uh it was i i got i can't tell you if it was coming from the eyes itself because the headlights were already past it by the time I looked up the sunroof that they were already past it so I don't know if it was from the headlights or what but they were definitely red when you looked up at it was there any smell that you remember no we had because it was wintertime it was cold up there so we had the windows up so we didn't really smell anything I have had a few things down here in Florida happen where I smelled stuff but I'd never seen anything but had smelled like the old

rotten skunk smell yeah they're definitely in Florida too as well you know that what did you your buddy, as you guys drove past it and kept going, what was the conversation like? What did you guys say? Pretty much, did you see what I just saw? And we go, yeah, what was that? We don't know. It was big. Let's get out of here.

Yeah. That was pretty much it. Let's get going, step on it. Yeah, exactly. We're not turning around to go back and see what it was. Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame me. And I don't really understand why they do that.

You know, there's a lot of encounter, Scott, where people are, like roadside crossings. I never understand roadside crossings because you would think, you know, a dumb deer is going to go out in front of a car or something like that. But most predators won't. Most predators won't step out, you know, if they hear you coming. And these things will, you know. Yeah, where this was at was like on the bend of the road, the farmer had his farm was on the right side of the road. And there was a big lake that we lived on the other side of the road. So I think he was going from the farmer's fields over to his lake to get him something to drink or find fish or something to eat.

over there on that side. That's what I'm thinking. And we just have to come across him at the right time. I think that's the sighting most people want, you know, where you are in a car, you're driving past it, you know, and there's really no, no danger, you know, for the most part. Exactly. One thing that a lot of witnesses say, too, like when they're on the side of the road is they freeze, these things will freeze like a tree and they won't move. They'll stay very still.

And I realize all of this is happening very quickly as you're passing it. but did it look down at you guys or did it look in your as you guys know it was yeah when i looked through the sunroof it was eyes looking actually looking right down at me it was looking right down inside this car it's like like he was getting ready to take a step across the street and here we came oh crap here here comes a car type of thing yeah that like i said i think that's the encounter most people want what do you think uh saskwatches scott what's your opinion uh it's it varies from time to time, but most of the part, I think it's some kind of a non-human primate that's running around that hasn't been categorized yet.

I think if they actually find one, it's going to solve a lot of questions about where we actually came from, I think, as far as the human race goes. I think it's part of our, I guess part of our evolution. Yeah, exactly. So you think it's somewhere in the tree, family tree? Yeah, somewhere between, you guys? antipithecus and us, I think, somewhere along the line.

There's been a mix-up somewhere. There's been a mixing somewhere of DNA somewhere. Yeah, you could be right. You could be right. It would be nice to know what these things are, you know. It would be. And plus the reaction you see with these creatures, I mean, for the most part, animals will bolt when they hear a car coming.

And this thing just stood there waiting for you guys to go by, which is odd animalistic behavior. It doesn't seem to fit, you know. And I guess I think we caught him just to, right time just as he was getting ready to leave that farmer's field and go around it because this was a blind turn where we came around so if he had been another 10 seconds slower we probably would ran right over and probably if he'd have been in the middle of road thank god that didn't happen you know what I mean yeah right that would have been the best I've had some stuff happened to be down here in

Florida too when I was working at one of these uh box stores down here I've had a few uh sounds that what that I heard that didn't make any sense and some smells and stuff down here in Florida but other than that, yeah. What kind of sounds? Just like chattering. You can hear just like chattering out in the woods and you can hear coyotes off in a distance howling back there and then all of a sudden they'd shut up and you hear this chatter going on. And you'd smell the like a crosses between a wet dog and a skunk smell coming up out of the

out of the bog or the swamp area that was behind where I was working. And that happened on a few occasions down here. what do you make of that chatter? Did it sound kind of like the Sierra sounds from Ron Moorhead? Yeah, it just sounds kind of like that. A little bit higher pitch, though. It was like a site. It might have been like a juvenile maybe.

It was really like a higher pitch than that sound. And it was just like real quick chatter back and forth a couple times and then gone. Last probably maybe 20 minutes. I hear stuff going back and forth. And you can hear the coyote who's starting to get after the sound went away. and then coyotes would start back up all over the place. Yeah, that chatter creeps me out. Yeah, it was kind of weird.

And I was outside by myself with the loading up, unloading a truck outside. And it was kind of, yeah, okay, let me get this as quick as possible to get out of here. This is weird. Yeah, be careful. They're definitely in Florida, you know, a lot of times if they're shattering, it's obviously more than one. Yeah. And I think if you smell the smell that you're describing, they're relatively close, too, if you're smelling it. Yeah, where our parking lot was at, there's a swamp right behind.

It was probably 30 feet from the parking lot was probably about 30 feet wide and it went into a swampy area with the fence around it. So, I mean, it's fairly safe, but, you know, I never know what these things can do with a fence, you know. Yeah, be careful out there, man. Oh, no doubt. Yeah, no worries there. Yeah, I appreciate coming on, Scott. Thanks so much for taking the time and thank you for listening to the show now. No problem.

Listen to it all time. And if I had seen anything else or hear of anything else, I'll let you know. Thanks, brother. Thanks for having me. Welcome Jason to the show. Jason, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, Wes. I appreciate it.

Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know you've had a couple encounters, and we were just talking about how there's a lot that goes on in upstate New York and how vast and open. A lot of those areas are beautiful areas. If you would, I know you've had a few encounters, then kind of a strange. strange incident at a mall. But let's start with the rock throwing incident. If you would, kind of just tell us what you were doing and what happened. Sure. I was probably about 16, and I'm 38 years old now. I was born in a town called Walton. It's about 40 minutes from where I am now. And like most towns around here, it's the middle of nowhere. It's just farm after

farm after farm. A little backstory, I got cheated on by a girlfriend. I was leaving her house, and it was a trailer park. So I just walked to a little pond, maybe 50 feet off the road, which is a back road. And, you know, I was crying and going through the emotions, thought I loved it or whatever. So I was really upset and just kind of sitting there. And I'd heard stories about this place. It's sort of like a little dam.

There's no real problem. purpose for it, but there was a little, like, outhouse building. I think it might have been for like the generator or something. But, uh, the pond itself was probably 200 feet by 200 feet. So it was a good size pond. And I was just sitting there and out of nowhere, I hear sticks breaking. Um, I wasn't sure what it was, but I looked up in time to see a boulder at least the size of my head. Um, it came flying from out of the woods, probably. 40, 50 feet up into the woods, and I caught it right before it hit the water, and it landed in the center of the pond, which was mind-blowing to me that anything could throw something like this

that far. It literally made no sense, and the concussion from the impact of the rock was so great that that alone scared me. And needless to say, I got up and ran and haven't been back there. At the time, I just, I guess I really didn't understand what happened. I tried to tell myself it was a ghost or something. Yeah, I was going to ask you what you thought, because that's pretty enerving. I mean, that's a big boulder. It really was, man. Like, the power, I mean, behind that thing, I can't imagine something being able to do that.

It's mind-blowing. You hear that a lot with guys out fishing and stuff where they'll talk about big boulders being thrown at them out. And it seems to come out and, you know, and they're not, it's not something falling down off the side of the mountain. It's being thrown through and above trees, you know. Exactly. It had such an art to it. Like, it's just mind-blowing. It really was. And then, so you decide to leave, which I, you know, don't blame me for leaving. I probably Yeah. Yeah. But was it a couple of years later? I know we were talking about you hit something? Yes. Actually, just prior to that, where I was living,

living at the time, this was probably about four years ago. I was living in a place called Trout Creek, which is in between where I was born and where I live now, which is only on to New York. It's the heart of the Catskills. And people think when you say New York City, well, this is far from city. It's just country. And I was living in a house right next to the reservoir. It's called the Cannonsville Reservoir, and it feeds all the drinking water of New York City. So it goes hundreds of miles underground the water itself. But I'd been there about two years living there, and my closest neighbor was probably 20 minutes. That's how far out I was.

So I'm a smoker, and every time I would go out on the porch, it would be real late, you know, anywhere from midnight to 2 a.m. and I would hear coyotes just going crazy like packs of them, packs of them, which by itself didn't seem weird. But then shortly after, I would hear what sounds like a perfectly healthy tree, not far from me, maybe 300 yards, because you could see from my house clear to the woodline and the little stream that feeds this reservoir. And you would hear large healthy trees being just snapped,

and then the coyotes would go quiet. You know, and after my most recent encounter, I did a lot of research, and I've been able to piece all these things together, it seems like Sasquash activity. I would hear Woodnox at the same house almost nightly. Never a howl or anything, but a lot of weird things like that. And then I should back up a little. I had one other experience that I can't say was or wasn't a Sasquash,

but I was probably 17, so about a year after the pond incident, me and my friends were in the woods, and we would always have bombfires and get drunk and whatever. We decided to get bold, and we got bored, and we just walked out in the woods, and it was one of those very dark nights, no moon. Now, when I asked my friends about this encounter now, they all believe it was a bull,

but there was no fences to keep said bull in, in an area. And I understand why they say that because it sounded like one. It was snorting and so deep that it did sound like a bull. But it didn't make any sense because the trees are so close together. Well, long story short, we heard that and we all almost pooped our pants. So we started running as fast as we could. I remember my friend diving over a barbed wire fence. that was down near our campfire, and he got all cut up. But as we were running, not only was it snorting or grunting or whatever it was doing, it sounded so ferocious.

I mean, like it wanted to kill us. I could feel the ground. Every step it took, I could feel the ground moving. It would move me, and that's what terrified us so much. I mean, I guess we said it was a bull because it's the only thing that made sense that would actually move us when it walked or ran. Did you ever get a look at it? I didn't. I mean, I looked back a few times, but all I could see was trees and darkness and my friends panicking.

I got you. So it was very dark, but looking back, I'm sure that's what it was. Because a bull, there's no way a bull would make it through those trees as fat. I mean, it was keeping right up to us. I'm sure whatever it was could have caught us if it wanted to. Oh, I got you. So when you guys took off running, it chased you guys. Yeah, it pursued us.

I got you. Right until we got near the fire. And we packed up and left. It was the last time I went there. Yeah. It's like I was telling you before, Jason. There's a lot that goes on in upstate New York. I've talked to a lot of people from there.

And, you know, you had made the comment about New York City. And when I first got into this, you know, they would say, I'm from New York. And I was like, okay, here we go. And then I remember the witness had on, he sent me pictures of. of his backyard and it looked like the Pacific Northwest. He was in upstate New York and it looked like the Pacific Northwest. I mean, it was beautiful. It was similar, right?

Very beautiful, yeah. I was shocked. I have no doubt that they're up there and in that area. Tell me about this recent encounter with, uh... All right. Well, I'll just tell you the one with my car real fast so it's out of the way. Oh, that's right. I was driving a Pontiac.

That's all right. I was driving a Pontiac Grandin. I was leaving where I am now, which is the South Side Mall in Oneonta, New York. I just got on the highway. I was just getting up to speed probably 65. And it just sounded and felt like my car exploded out of nowhere. And me and my fiancé, we didn't see anything. So whatever it was was either on all fours or it was small enough that it was lower than a hood of our car.

And, you know, I slammed on the brakes. I got out. We were both shaken. Pieces of my front end were all the way down the highway, 200 yards behind me. It took out the whole left front side of my car, the light, the bumper. The fender was bent back so the door didn't open. I mean, it was a really hard impact. And I noticed a smell of like wet dog. So I was in my mind thinking, wolf. But it didn't really make sense. Whatever this was was short, but must have. weighed so much in order to do that to our car. Like I said, we were doing 65 miles an hour. And there wasn't a trace of anything. There was a few hairs in the cracked part of my front bumper and a couple little spots of blood, but nobody, no nothing. A few minutes later, a police officer pulled up and, you know, I was showing him the damage in the hair. And he's like, yeah, probably a wolf. Really nonchalant about it. He helped us pick up the pieces of the car. And then, you know, instead of filing a report or anything, just said, well, how about this?

You just follow me 20 miles until your exit and then you just go home and get your car fixed. So that's what we did. Strange, and the animal wasn't around, huh? There was nothing there. Nothing, man. It doesn't make any sense. But after this most recent thing that happened to me, I believe I hit one of them, maybe a juvenile. Yeah, and I've had people on that have hit smaller ones.

You know, and it does cause a lot of damage. Incredible, man. Yeah. Incredible amount of damage. Well, let's go into this most recent one. Okay, no problem. So Wednesdays and Thursday nights, I work security, covering security at this mall. Most nights I'm out at 11 p.m. sometimes one.

So I'm the very last person here, and I set the alarms and leave. Well, this night, it was probably six weeks ago, I was locking up, set the alarm, and I decided to go around the back way the opposite way I usually leave. And this is, like I said, it's a city, but it's surrounded by woods. It's technically called the city of Oneonta, but it's in the middle of woods. So in my mind, the last place I would see one is here. So I'm pulling around the back and I get behind a store called Harbor Freight And there's also a Renicenter's store right next to it And a Mount Fuji right next to that which is like Japanese food

And right when I got to where the Renaissance van are parked I seen something on all fours It was running so fast west I can't even explain it I mean nothing should run that fast but I caught I caught the bottom portion of this being, so probably from the hips down. It was on all fours, and when I seen it, it was just darting behind the rent-a-center van. So like I said, I only caught the F-end.

Excuse my language. The first thing I noticed right away was the speed, and the second was it had a behind, just like you or I, only it was covered in dark hair. I would say black. And it had no tail and no stee. up of a tail, not even nothing, just around perfect lyr, perfect buttocks. So I was very alarmed, obviously, and I slammed on my brakes. I was scared but also interested, so I put it in part, got out, and was looking around,

and I could hear whatever it was smashing through the trees, which the tree line is maybe 40 feet from the parking lot, so it's, like I said, surrounded by woods. Right after the crashing, I noticed, there was no way to not notice. It was a wall of odor, unlike anything I've ever smelled. It was so pungent that I couldn't stop inhaling the air because I'd never smell anything like it. If I were to describe it, it would be as if a human didn't wash their feet for three or five years, literally. It smelled just like dirty feet, but so, so strong. it, to me, it seemed like it gave the odor off because it was scared.

Now, I could be wrong. I don't know that. It's just the feeling I got. It's sort of like a deterrent, so I'm sitting there smelling the air, turning around in circles, and this thing's just taken off. And you had mentioned it was by the dumpster? Oh, yes. I forgot to mention that.

It was coming from the dumpster, the Japanese food dumpster. Oh, it was actually coming out of the dumpster. I didn't see it, but it was the only thing where it had come from. It was the only thing there is those two dumpsters. Yeah, that's fascinating. You and I were just talking about, I was telling you that story about, you know, I think it's in Oklahoma, and it's a Native American reservation. They've got a big casino there.

Right. They've caught this thing on camera, and most of the employees have seen it. It comes out of the wood line, digs through the dump. dumpster turns around goes right back to the wood line. And a lot of people, when they heard that, they're like, oh, come on. But there was a lot of the security guys came forward and was like, no, we capture this thing all the time on. Because, you know, the moment you drive into a casino, any casino, you're on camera. True. And so a lot of the security guys are saying, no, it comes out. And it's huge. You can tell when it walks past cars, how big this thing is. Wow. And it just

digs food out of the dumpster and then turns right and doesn't seem to really bother anyone, but it'll do it in the middle of the night. It'll come and get food and go back. And, you know, that's incredible. These things live on, on the outskirts of civilization. They do, right? Yeah. So it doesn't shock me one bit. I mean, you know, you think of a mall, you know, and I think of malls, I'm more in the city, and there'd be no way that you would potentially see one at a mall. But there is. There's malls out there. You know, if you go up north, I can kind of tell what you mean.

I mean, we're surrounded by forests, and it's late at night. Probably everything's closing down by then. Mall's probably closed by then or getting ready to close. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I was literally the last person here. And, you know, I'm back here right now looking at the same spot where it happened. And there's, it's sort of baffling to me because on the other side of this timber line,

which is about 50 feet thick is maybe four or five houses, but there's kind of a snake trail of timber that goes in front of the houses, then around them, and then up the mountain. Yeah, it could have been. Definitely, you know, and when I was telling you, hey, why don't you think it was a bear? I mean, and you're right, it's more of a human butt with hair on it is what you're looking at. How big do you think it was?

I would say it was about my size. I'm six foot, about 180, and, you know, I'd say about my size, maybe a little smaller. It looked like a man. Yeah, that's interesting. As far as physical features, I mean, it looked like me if I was covered in black hair. Yeah, be careful out there at night, man. You don't want to startle it.

You know, that can go bad. Yeah, I've been a little worried. I was going to ask you, is it foolish to try to seek them out, maybe get a picture, feed it? Is that not wise? Well, I always tell people to treat it the same way you would a bear. That's my advice. You're not going to get too close to like a black bear. Black bear's going to run anyway.

But I mean, you know, you might feed it. They're cute, you know, and all this other stuff. But that same bear can kill you in two seconds. Okay. So I would just be careful. Everyone does their own thing. And I'm not the authority on Sasquatch. But I personally wouldn't feed them.

I try and get a picture of it. Okay. I do have two. Not the best, but you can definitely see a conical head. The other one, it seems that it was a different day, but same area. It seems like it's standing and looking at me. So I'll send them to you. Yeah, please do.

Please do. I definitely will. And what do you think, Sasquatchez, Jason? That's a very good question, man. I've been thinking about it a lot. And I think your theories are almost spot on. I think there's different species of them, less evolved ones, and then more evolved ones that are close to us. I haven't personally seen the ones that look more human.

But there's just so many accounts. It's, you know, all these people aren't lying. That's just absurd. And, you know, I was a little nervous coming forward with my story, too. but I think it's important that people know that these things are coming close to us. Like very close. Yeah, you're right. They're starting to come up really close.

I think we're encroaching and they're encroaching and I'm surprised more people haven't haven't been killed, to be honest with you. There has been people who have been killed, but I'm surprised more haven't. Me too. And, you know, maybe it's only a matter of time as they get more hungry. But I believe, oh, God, it's a tough question. question. I think that they're their own entity, not paranormal in any way, but an off branch of us, somewhere down the line. You know, they chose woods, we chose city.

Yeah. So I would say half human, half some type of animal. Yeah, it's a fair answer. I mean, you could be right. It's like when you talk to a lot of eyewitnesses, they'll say, you know, had a man's face, but a human's body. Right. But it would be nice to know what they are. You know what I mean? It really would. Do you think that will ever happen, in your opinion? I think eventually it will.

Yeah, I think eventually it will. And I think, but it's kind of like UFOs. You know, back when I was a kid, if you said you saw UFO, you were nuts. You were the crazy person. True. And now it's the whole dynamic of that whole topic has changed. it's almost like if you don't believe in aliens, you're nuts, because there's too much evidence. That's true. Too many witnesses.

Yeah, too many witnesses. I'm sorry to cut you off. I have a couple of those encounters as well as a couple ghost encounters. I don't know if you want to do it a different time or I could just tell you fast. Yeah, let's hear it. I'd love to hear it. Okay. The same area by the reservoir.

Me and my fiancé, we're in the driveway, just kind of killing time. and we didn't hear anything, which was the weirdest part. It was absolutely silent. And we looked up and maybe 40 feet above the trees was a triangular shaped object. It was, I'd say about 30 feet across by 30 feet across. And it had three very, very powerful lights on the front. We were both, I mean, our jaws were on the floor. We had no idea what we were looking at.

And it kind of just stopped right maybe 20 feet from our car, from us. And it was just sitting there, silent, not moving, not making a sound with the brightest lights. I mean, it lit up the forest. And just as quickly as it snuck up on us, it was gone. Now when he say gone, what do you mean, like it vanished or it just took off? It took off. It took off. And it wasn't like incredible light speed takeoff.

it just went, went towards the reservoir, over the reservoir until we couldn't see it anymore. But no, no streaks of anything, no sound, just have no explanation. That's very unnerving.

Very, very unnerving. Yeah. Yeah, and why was it looking at us, if it was? I'll tell you real quick, Jason. There's a thing, I'll send it to you. There's a video I'll send to you. Okay.

And forgive me for taking your time, but... No, you're fine. We were, I was out on, in my backyard the other night. This is probably a couple weeks ago. And I'm looking up and Woody was over and my older brother. And I'm sitting there, I'm looking up at the sky and I'm like, what in the world is that? And I'm like, that is a bright, bright star.

Oh, wow. The more I sat and looked at it, the more I, it wasn't a star. It was moving, wasn't it? It was moving. It was just kind of hovering there. and it was big, whatever it was. And it looked like there was lights going around it. And I tried to take a zoom in with my iPhone and take a picture of it.

But, you know, it just comes out like a blob squash. It just looked like smudge. And so I walked in and I grabbed Woody and I said, come out here real quick. Take a look at this. And so he looked at it and I said, am I going nuts? Is there something there in the sky? Like, am I losing it? And he looked up.

And he went and grabbed his binoculars. And we started looking at it through the binoculars. And it was kind of a triangle shape. And it had, it was brilliant in colors. It was like blues and greens and yellows. Wow. Anyway, we didn't think much after that, you know, people were telling me it was SpaceX. And I looked up SpaceX on, online, and it wasn't SpaceX.

But a lady had posted a video of it, and I threw it up. up on the blog. I'll send it to you if you're interested. Yeah, absolutely. But she zoomed in on it. She had a camera lens, you know how they can zoom in on it. Yeah. And she sat there and did a video of it. And that's exactly what we saw. And hers was in Ohio. But that, whatever she captured is exactly what I saw through the binoculars. And it was kind of hovering over between Portland and Vancouver, just kind of chilling up, up in the sky. And you didn't see it make any movements? No, it didn't really. I mean, the lights moved. But the, and it was, it sat there forever.

I mean, we went an hour later, went back outside and it was still sitting there. And obviously the next day it was gone, but it was still sitting. And I was just curious if anyone in Vancouver and Portland had seen it because. Sure. It was so bright and it was so out of place and it was too low. It wasn't like up in the atmosphere like a star. It was, it was some sort of craft sitting there. And I'm not saying it's aliens.

It could have been something that government had. Well, who knows. are, you know? Well, the weird part is, is like, since that encounter with that triangle I've seen, I've been keeping an eye on the skies, and God, I can't even count how many times I've seen what looks like a star, all of a sudden just start moving. And when I zoomed in a few times, the same thing. I would see reds, greens, yellows, blinking. But many times I've seen this happen. I mean, you can see the stars so well when you're in the country. I'm sure you know.

I've watched this thing, and sometimes it does impossible movements. It's about as high as a star. If you didn't know any better, it would look just like one if you didn't see it moving. And I would see it do impossible movements. Like, it'd be just boogieing along and all of a sudden make an impossible right turn, just like it was nothing. And then zig-bag, you know, back and forth. and just impossible movements that we don't have technology for that I know of. Yeah, so you know it's not a satellite because satellites don't do that.

They just kind of slowly drift. Yeah, they kind of putter along, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty incredible. I mean, I've seen it, I would say at least 10 times different places. A lot of it over that reservoir, I was telling you. Was that the only real close encounter you had with a ship like that? I know you're...

Well, this... Where I was born is, well, in New York, it's about 40 miles from here. So I lived one house from the county fair. And, you know, the county fair is there for a week out of the year in August. The rest of the time, it's empty. And it was our playground growing up. All the kids on the block would play night tag and stuff there. So this is also where I've seen my first ghost.

But to answer your question, yes, I see. something. I was standing on my street. It was probably midnight. I was right at the stop sign. So my street would go to the fair and then you go to the other end and go to a stop sign. You can make a left or a right. I heard a really odd sound like a buzzing, like zzz. And I turned around to see a red streak of light as if someone had a laser light, but it was only about two feet long. and I would say a diameter of like a quarter. This thing was moving so fast west, I mean like 60, 70 miles an hour, right at me.

I was freaking out. I had no idea what it was, and just as fast as it got to me, as soon as it hit the stop sign, it made an impossible right-hand turn and continued on down that road towards the cemetery. And I only told one friend because it just seemed so insane.

like I have no idea what it was. Yeah, we get reports of those. They call them the rods. Really? Yeah, they're very similar to a, I'm sure you've heard of the balls of light or what people call dwarves. There's another thing that a lot of people see

and they call them rods. And they're just like how you describe. It's kind of like, you know, in Star Wars when they shoot the phaser and the laser comes up in it. That thing, if you could slow it down a little bit, you would see it moving. I've heard of that. I've actually heard of that. A lot of people have seen that.

Well, that's reassuring. That's exactly. You're spot on when you say the laser gun. If you get a chance, look up rods. Okay. Yeah. And look them up on the... I absolutely will. Yeah. If you remember that game, Snake, the old game, that's the type of turn it made. I mean, it was so precise. It was just impossible.

You can see it bend as it turned. just like that game I'm telling you about. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, it was incredible. So the spirit, I was probably 11 years old, same area, just one street over. There's three different streets that go to this fairground, so I was on the middle one. And there was a small hill right at the entrance. So me and about eight of my friends were all sleigh-riding, and it wasn't quite dark yet.

You could still see. The snow was real deep on us. it was hard to walk. It was that deep. But it was the type of snow that you almost could stand on top of it and then you'd fall through. So we're just slither out along and all of a sudden there's a track that goes around the entire fair. It's used for derby and snowmobile races, stuff like that. Coming from the left side of us on the track was a guy. And he's effortlessly running.

That's the first thing I noticed. and the second thing I noticed was his attire. He had a black and white striped shirt on. He had black shorts on. And he had sweat wristbands and a sweatband on his head. And he's just running along. He's not looking at us at all. And I don't know what they were thinking, my friends,

but I was thinking it was really odd to be wearing that in the dead of winter. And as he got right to the center in front of us, that's when my jaw hit the floor because I noticed not only could I see him and he was you know besides the black in his shirt he was basically gray and uh I could see the fence posts right through him as he was running

it was mind blowing so us being little idiots we didn't really place it together because it didn't seem right first of all the light you know it was still daylight sort of and we just started like yelling at him and kind of chasing him and we couldn't keep up the snow was so deep it was almost up to our knees and we kind of just gave up as he kept moving along down the track and right before my eyes he dissipated like evaporated not just you know it was sort of like smoke just up and smoke so i decide you know i try to pull myself up to get up and I looked down and there was no tracks at all. He didn't leave any footprints. Did you ever look up the history of that place and see if... I have because I've also seen orbs right maybe a quarter mile from there as a cemetery

and I've seen orbs there my whole life. One time I was staring at a grave because above it was like a beach ball-sized pulsating blue orb. As I got closer it just was gone, but I've seen these type of things throughout my life. And everywhere around here from here to Long Island, it's all Indian land. All the towns, even this town, Oneonta, is named after Indians. So I don't know if that has something to do with it. His attire, that guy's attire, looked like sort of like a prison shirt, but he was leisurely jogging, not like running from something. Yeah, that would creep me out, man. That would creep me. Yeah, not far from there. I got to send you this other picture.

My mother-in-law lives in Trow Creek, which is right near that reservoir. And her cat died. The next day, she's feeding this stray dog that comes around. He's a real lovable dog. And she goes back inside and turns around and take a picture of him. She had told me that she kept hearing her cat meow, even though it died. And I'm like, wow, that's weird. So she took this picture, and you see the puppy.

but if you zoom in and go to the right, you can see a cat. You could see its eyes. You could see its tail. It's there, but not there. And the cat, like I said, died the day before. But there it is sitting on the deck. Yeah. I'll send you that picture.

Yeah, send it to me. I'd love to see it, man. I definitely will. What's the easiest way to send it to you? A messenger? Yeah, you can send it to me on messenger. Okay. Yeah, I'd love to see it.

It's one of the same. Yeah, absolutely. That stuff goes on. You know, a lot of people don't believe in ghosts. And I always laugh when, you know, someone, and I'll bash Bigfoot researchers for a moment. But they'll, you know, they believe in Bigfoot, but they don't believe in ghosts. And they don't believe in. It makes no sense.

It makes no sense to me either. It's like if you... Think about it. How many millions of people have passed? Now, we don't know what happens, but once you've experienced something like this, you know that there's something. I mean, he was as real as you or I until he dissipated. Yeah, and that's weird that you're able to kind of see through him and see that defense post. I'll never forget it, man.

Yeah. Incredible. But yeah, the whole area has a weird aura about it history. It's, I don't know exactly what it on, and I haven't researched enough, but it's ancient. I can tell you that. Yeah. Well, keep me up to date, man. Let me know if you're ever around that mall again and if it's coming in.

And I'd be real curious to know. It doesn't sound like it was a big one, you know, running off. No. No, it doesn't. But the picture I got says otherwise, I don't know if it's Papa, maybe, but I'll send you the pictures I have. And I'm going to take your advice. I don't, I've been tempted to feed it, tempted to go out there because I think I see, like, where they might hang out. but I also don't want to be harmed.

Yeah, in situations like that, I think it's best to stay away from them because they're already eating. And so when you show up, it's competition. It's kind of the same theory as hunters. The reason why most hunters get more of the aggressive encounters is I think the hunters are doing the same thing the Sasquatch is doing. And it's kind of like when a hunter comes into your area, you know what I mean? You're like, oh, man, can you leave? It's like a threat, a competition threat. Yeah, a competition threat.

That's a really good point. I really appreciate you having me on. What you do, Wes, is a huge favor. I hope you know that because there needs to be a place. We're not all crazy. There's too many of us. Yeah, I appreciate it. Too many people have witnessed these things, you know,

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