Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:63 Bigfoot on the family farm

Episode Date: December 1, 2014

Tonight we speak to a listener who grew up on a farm. Over several weeks he noticed animals that either came up missing or had their necks broken. The family had no idea what was killing their animals until one day he came across a Sasquatch while he was picking berries. The encounter changed his life.

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When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wasn't a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. The look it was given. Jesus Christ, you better. Chair, see him.

Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 60. You're now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone.

I know that happy Thanksgiving to you, Shannon. Happy Thanksgiving to you, Will. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving, guys. Happy holidays to all of our listeners. I know for a lot of people this, can be kind of a tough time of year. I never really thought it would be,

I never really understood that until I went through a divorce and you realize the holidays are kind of a depressing time of year, you know, depending on when you get the kids or whatever you have going on in your life out there. It's, but keep your head up. January is on its way.

January is right around the corner. Exactly. Just in time for the next round of holidays. Yeah. No, but we appreciate everyone listening on a holiday weekend. I know a lot of people are spending time with their families,

but we do appreciate everyone listening. And I know there's exciting news. I know our website is, our website's live. If you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can go on there and get all of your Bigfoot news. You can, there's a ton of information on there. And I know a lot of heart and soul has gone into building the site.

I really hope people enjoy the site. And I hope people sign up for memberships and support us in our endeavor to expand the show and make it better. I know in the following next couple of weeks, we're going to have a ton of information on there, a ton of shows that'll be for members. So I really hope that people go on there and support us in our endeavor to expand the show. The one thing I'll say is just kind of being that it's kind of new and we're still working out a few bugs. Just kind of bear with us if anything goes wrong or, you know, if our listeners see anything on the site that isn't right, please email me right away. You can get me at Wes at Saswatch Chronicles.com is the email address. If you shoot me an email, if you notice anything, or if you have any problems with it, please email me and let me know.

But I know over the next couple days we'll be working out some of the bugs on the site. But I'm super excited about it. Yeah, it looks really good. So I think everybody's going to enjoy it. Yeah, the blog section is extremely information heavy, story heavy. We have all the, you know, the archive shows up there for everybody, you know, depending on your on your membership level. But there's a lot of options for everybody from every membership level.

So I think everyone's going to enjoy it a lot. Yeah, and that's one thing I wanted to do with the blog. I know we did it behind the scenes and I know we were kind of poking fun at Meldura, of Melba on the site. But I noticed today, one of the things I really noticed probably in the last couple days is I go out to a lot of different blog sites and, you know, try and research encounters. And one of the things that frustrates me, and I don't know if people out there have the same feeling when they're out there looking for stuff is, you know, a lot of these different

websites, it seems like for every one really good story, one good blog, there's like three garbage blogs that I kind of have to scroll through. And I kind of like to keep our site free of that. I'd like to just have good hard encounters on there and just interesting stories for people to read, you know, kind of one place where people can go to read encounters and get as much information as they can about the topic. Yeah, that's a thing definitely keeping good solid information up there and, you know, have it being both entertaining and informative. Yeah, I completely agree. A lot of the sites you go to, there's not only garbage blogs, but. They allow comments on there that I'll curl anybody's toes, I think.

So I think it's, you know, we want to maintain a level of, you know, professionalism and, and keep it updated as well as, you know, with our love of the old stories, there's a lot of those up there, too, guys. So you can always go there and reference a lot of the old stories that we all love. Yeah, so I hope everyone out there is just as excited as I am. and I hope that people you know really enjoy the site there was a ton of hard work that went into it there was a ton of

blood sweat and tears that went into it and I really hope people enjoy the site find it informative and and like I said I hope they they choose to support us you know get a membership support us now you won't be disappointed with some of the shows

we have coming up so and I want to thank all the fans that I know it's been, we've kind of put it off a little bit, the website off. You know, I know we were originally set for November 1st to launch the site, but it just wasn't, I think all of us feel like, I don't want to just put junk out there. You know, I wanted it to be, and I know Will feels the same way, Shannon feels the same way. We wanted it to be something, I wanted to put quality out. Yeah, I wanted to be top quality. I was going to say that, you know, what everyone sees up there to begin with is just,

the foundation. As we move along after the go date, we're going to be adding a lot of new things to it, different types of things. So hang on to your seats. You're going to see a lot more come up there. Yeah, I think that people will be excited if, you know, they could be a fly on the wall with some of the behind-the-scenes conversations that we have about our ideas. I think they'd be pretty excited. So we have a lot of good stuff coming up. Yeah, a lot of really cool shows coming up too. A lot of cool ideas and a lot of really cool shows coming up. I don't think folks understand that when you mention how much work has gone into it, that we started this project in July.

So it's been a long process to get this ready to go. Yeah, a lot of hard work. I hope people love it. I hope people love it as much as I love it, as much as I know you and Shannon love this. I hope people, I hope we get the same reaction from our listeners. And, you know, we do have great listeners out there. I know people will and support us in our endeavor.

and I really wanted to build it for the listeners so that it was a good place for them to go and I hope everyone enjoys it. That's right, and if you like it, tell other people who don't know about us to go up there and check it out. Absolutely. Please do.

Please do. Tonight on the show we have Jason and Jason had a couple of interesting encounters. I wanted him, I wanted to bring him on the show to share some of his encounters. and I've only read through a small portion of them because of lack of time, but I found what I had read through some of his stuff. It was some good encounters.

He actually has some good descriptions. Pretty interesting. Yeah, very, very interesting. So I wanted to welcome Jason to the show. I was very interested in reading what you said earlier. Your family's had quite a bit of experience with these creatures. Is that correct? Certain members of the...

my family. I'm not really sure about my parents' generation because, you know, we were basically told in, you know, in certain terms that we were to, you know, be quiet about it. But I don't really know to the extent of, you know, what my mother's opinions are or, you know, it was several years ago. And it's something, my mother's 80 years old now. And she just really doesn't remember all that much. So it's hard for me to, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's. Let's go back when you were a kid, I guess, then. Is that when you first heard about this and when things started? Yeah, it started when I was around 10, I guess. We had a couple of years in a row that we had a lot of just strange, odd things happening around the farm. And it was, you know, we never really equated it with Bigfoot at the time or, you know, anything like that. So, but yeah, it was pretty active there a couple of years. I've actually, I went up there in 2012 and actually stood near the spot where I had my encounter,

and that was the first time I had been there since I had the encounter because there was no way I was going back into those woods. And it affected me adversely pretty heavily as a kid. But I went down there in the woods where it happened in 2012, and I had actually mentioned it in, just kind of casually to my nephew, who was sitting the house that's there now from his father, my brother. My brother lives right on the property still. And so I kind of brought it up to him, my nephew. And he told me about a few odd things that had happened since, you know, just here in the last couple of years. But so, yeah, we've had, they're there and they're, you know, pretty active.

Okay, let's go back to the first incident, I guess. and kind of walk us through each thing as you know it. Okay. Well, when I was a kid, we had a dairy farm that wasn't very far from where these occurrences happened. It was, I don't know how many miles away, 30 or 40 minute drive, but we had a small dairy farm. And when I was little, three or four years old, my dad's health actually got bad, and we sold the farm. and my parents ended up buying my mother's parents' place, which was also a farm, but it was more of a smaller scale.

We had a dairy farm, but this was more like a hobby farm. And so we always had livestock, you know, a few cows, a couple of heifers, and a couple of horses and, you know, ducks, geese, chickens, you know, and then I would raise guinea pigs and rabbits and things like that. So, you know, just farm living. and, you know, we had a few things that were happening with our animals that were just a little strange, where we had a, our cows were being harassed at some point in the night for a couple of weeks. It became a real, you know, burden after a while because you couldn't figure out what it was.

And something was chasing the cows around, and then when we would leave the house, There was kind of a hill that went down to the barn, and so we'd have to leave the house and run to the barn, and ultimately for the pastures with our flashlight, and we would never see anything. And the fence that we had up at the time was just a single strand of electric fence. There was no barbed wire or anything like that, and that always kept the cattle in where we needed them,

but it was really easy for something to possibly scurry underneath the fence. So we were thinking, coy dogs, coyotes, you know, that kind of thing. So, yeah, our cattle were being harassed, and then we actually lost a calf at one point. Our calf came up missing, not a very old calf, maybe, you know, five or six weeks old. And so we went out to look for it, and we found it a few yards, several hundred yards into the woods, and its head had been basically twisted and ripped off of its body, and it's, um, back legs were busted and it's just very odd.

If anybody knows anything about cattle, there's a lot of muscle in the neck area, even young cattle. And to see something that, to see the head ripped off of the body to that magnitude, it was impressive, but it was also kind of scary. Yeah, that's not something a normal animal would do. No, and, you know, we always try being, living in the country, you know, you try, And I still do this growing up, but you try to eliminate what it isn't. And, you know, my folks looked at it and my older brother looked at it and I looked at it.

I mean, of course, I'm a little kid at this point. I'm, you know, 10 or 11 years old. And, yeah, I think I was about 9 or 10 at this point. And when you look at it, you know when canines attack livestock, they usually go for the back hunch. It's usually bite marks and that kind of thing, you know, around the back leg. egg area. There was none of that.

There was two snap legs and a ripped off head. That was it. It's very unusual. So that was the first thing that really kind of, kind of, you know, set us on edge. But again, we're not equating this to, you know, Bigfoot or Sasquatch. We're not equating that at all. We're trying to figure out what it, you know, could it be coy dogs, could it be wild dogs, could it be coyotes.

No, we didn't have any bear in the area. This is northern New York, upstate New York, like 30 minutes south of the Canadian border, if you know where Watertown, New York is. It was right around between Watertown and Lake Ontario. There's a little town called Sacket Harbor. So that's where it was in its country up there. And so we didn't really, we thought, you know, animal attack is what we thought. So we, you know, took precautions with other young animals and, you know, that kind of thing. And then we had a goose that come up missing.

One of my geese, I don't know how it got out of the pen that I had made for it, but a big white goose would come up missing. And we found it stuffed in the v notch of a tree, six or seven feet off the ground, with its neck ripped off and legs ripped off in the breast area, all bloody and missing feathers. But no feathers around on the ground. below that tree, no blood on the ground below that tree. It was just like something had eaten it and just set it up there on the shelf for later,

figuratively speaking. So that was a little odd as well. And when that happened, we were thinking owl or fox maybe. The way the pen was set up, nothing could really fly in there or fly out of it. But maybe a fox could jump in over the fence and into the pen. and grab a goose, but you know about white geese, they're pretty big and they're pretty brutal. They're kind of a mean bird, you know, so something scooped up the goose and that's, again,

you know, odd, but that's life on the farm. Animals, predators are there, and animals do get killed. And then I had rabbits and guinea pigs, and this was a real, kind of the real kinky part of it. I had rabbits and guinea pigs in rabbit hutches. With the doors on the top, they were like fiberglass type thing. And they had these little doors that you could flip open. They had little hinges on them.

You just had a little, like a little latch, but it was like a bolt, you know, that you slide over and drop into the little notch and it locks and, you know, vice versa. The locks were busted off of these rabbit hutches. So I had fastened little dowels out of some sticks, and I had shoved the sticks in there. So the rabbits, if the sticks weren't in there, the rabbits could just bop their heads up and open the door and get out. So the six were just there to keep the doors closed. Well, my guinea pigs and rabbits started coming up missing.

And at this point, my parents are thinking, well, maybe some kids in the neighborhood are messing with you because I was the youngest in the neighborhood. And I got picked on a lot by my brother's older friends and my brother. And so they just thought, well, they just wrote it off as a bad joke or as a prank. until we started finding the rabbit carcasses and guinea pig carcasses placed in weird places around the farm like on top of the bar on roof and in trees and you know it's just weird weird things again what is doing this most predators will take an animal and run off with it you never see it again but we're finding these little carcasses all over and as a kid it was really upsetting to me because I was thinking that somebody was killing my animals and you know taking them is one thing, but killing my animals. I had a big heart. I still have a big heart when it comes to animals.

And that didn't set right with me. So that was another incident there. So we'll flash forward maybe a month or so. And I'll try to paint the picture of the way our farm was set up. We had our barn. And the back side of the barn faced a house up a slight hill, as I said earlier. and then the opening of the barn where the big barn door was was on the side facing away from the house. And when that barn would open up, we had two pastures, one to the left and one to the right,

and then we had a tree line down the center of them. So what we would do is we let our cattle graze in one pasture until it was all grazed, and then we would swap. And I had a horse that I kept in the other pasture because he didn't get along with other livestock. He was kind of a meat horse and would bite the cattle and things like that. So we would swap pastures. And so we had the cattle in one pasture, and if you can picture this, if I'm coming out the back door of the house, looking down at the backside of the barn,

if you were to – the pasture to the left butted up against wooded area that went for miles, four or five miles of woods and swamp and that kind of thing, the cattle had gotten out. They had gotten spooked one night, and they had just basically blown through the electric fence, and some of them wandered off into the woods. Some of them wandered to the neighbor's place, that kind of thing. And we managed to get all but four or five of them that were missing. So my brother grabbed a couple of his friends, and I grabbed a couple of mine.

So six of us went down into the woods with little leader ropes to look for the cattle. And what we would do is when we found a cow, two of us would put the loop of rope around the cow and run back out of the woods, up to hill, back into the pasture. So we did this, and we found all but one cow. And my brother and one of his friends decided they were going to go deeper into the woods to look for the missing cow. We had two friends that had already taken back the last found cow. and then there was one of my brother's buddies and myself. And we sat there and while my brother and his friend had gone into the woods, we found the cow that was missing.

So they took the cow up and I, like I said, my brother's friend and myself sat there and waited for my brother and his other buddy to come out of the woods. Well, we waited probably 20 minutes or so and we started hearing a lot of noise and branch is breaking, and we see through the woods, we see my brother and his friend running their little tails off. And my nickname as a kid was Charlie. My brother still calls me Charlie. So when they were running out of the woods,

my brother yelled out, Charlie, run. And you could hear the fear in his voice and the, oh, urgency. So I jumped up and ran, just like he told me. And when we got to the barn, they proceeded to ask him what it was. And my brother says, we saw monkey people. That's how he described it, big monkey people, and one of them chased after us. And everybody started really giving them a hard time. Oh, you're full of it, you know, that kind of thing.

You're lying. and my brother would, you know, kind of laugh and snicker, but you could see it in his eyes. He wasn't joking around. He was serious. And so that, you know, that happened in 1980. That was the summer of 1980. And then we flash forward to berry picking season the following year.

I'm not really sure what month it was. I want to say August, but I'm not really sure how time wise, because it's been over 30 years, but it was berry picking time, and my cousin, he's actually my step-cous, his mother married my mother's brother, so he was a step-cousin to me, and I didn't know him really well, and he was a couple of years younger than me. He and I decided we're going to go berry-picking, and I had a great big, huge spot down the woods that we called the thick patch, where we picked great big, huge blackberries. We call them black taps where I come from, but they're the big, as big as your thumb, blackberries.

And there was a big raspberry ticket down there as well. So my cousin and I are picking these berries, and I'll try to paint a picture. The bush, how it was, there was a tractor road, and then veering off the tractor road to the right was a trail, and you could follow this trail, and it would open into a meadow, and on the far left end of the meadow, meadow was this big berry patch that I was telling you about. And what it would do is it would like, as you know, berry thickets do, they'll grow out and then they kind of like cove in and then they grow back out again. And so I'm picking, we're facing the bush.

I'm picking berries on this one jutted out part of the berry bush. and my there's a little, then it coves in or it cuts in and then it juts back out again. And my cousin is picking on the next little jutted out part of this bush. And so we're picking a, we had kind of a berry picking contest. We'd always try to see who could fill their berry bowl the fastest or whatever. And so we're picking and eating and picking and eating. And my cousin just starts whimpering. And again, he's to my left.

and he starts whimpering and starts saying something to the effect of, I want to go home, I want to go home, I want to go home, over and over and over. And finally he dropped his berry bowl and he ran and he ran behind me and he ran back to the trail, caught the trail to the tractor road and was gone. And I thought, eh, he's a weird kid and more berries for me. You know, that kind of thing. I didn't really think much of it. I continued to pick the berries.

And as I'm picking along, after a while, I don't know how long of a time, 15, 20 minutes or so, I'm picking. And I hear a really loud whistle to my right. Like I can't whistle very well, but it was loud. Like it was trying to get my attention. And as I'm picking the berries, I look to my right where this whistle comes from. And I assume it's my cousin. So I'm like, shut up, Jerry, or knock it off or stop it. scared me, something like that, and went back to picking.

A couple more minutes passes, and I hear the whistle again. And so as I'm turning to look at in the direction where this whistle is coming from, I'm still picking berries. And if you've ever picked blackberries, you know that you really don't have to see them to pick them. If they're right, they come off. If they don't, they don't. and as I'm picking and looking toward in the direction of where the whistle come from

I happen to reach into the thicket and I touch hair and you got to bear with me because it's always really hard for me to tell this part but I touch this hair and as I'm touching it I turn to my left and see this

creature squatted in the berry bush and I'm seeing the right side of his body. He squatted down, and so I can see where his thigh and his cap are squeezed together. I can see this massive shoulder, and I can see up to where, you know, the neck should be. But I couldn't see its head. I couldn't see its face. All I saw was this creature standing in the middle of, or squatting in the middle of this thicket.

And to kind of gauge how tall he was, I can remember that the, tip the top of his knee was at just about eye level with me so that kind of gives you an idea how big it was and it's kind of swaying moving can't really I don't know if it's uneasy or what it's doing but it's kind of swaying and I can't still I can't see its face and I want to see its face but when I realize what it is that I'm looking at my I feel my whole body just kind of shut down and I feel like I'm being squeezed like an accordion. It's just all the breath goes out of my body. I can't take a breath. Kind of like when you dream and you want to scream in your dream and you can't make a sound, that's kind of how I felt. And I, I, I

wet my pants, I nearly lost control of my bodily functions and wet my pants and just stood there and kind of shuddered a little bit. And finally, You know, my fight or flight mechanism kicked in. I dropped my bowl, and I hightailed it out of there as fast as I could. And went home and told my parents. And my parents kept saying the same thing that you didn't see any monsters. You didn't see a big foot. It was probably a bear.

And, you know, we had never heard of bears in the area ever. You know, there's a very rare occurrence to have a bear in the area. And besides, I'm not a dumb kid. I know what a bear looks like. My parents were kind of writing it off as if it was a bear. You imagined it. You know, that kind of thing. I'm like, Mom, no, no, no.

And there's nothing more discouraging in looking at your parents and trying to tell them that you've seen something. And they're looking at you like you're silly. And I started to have... Yeah, I started to have nightmares. I had nightmares about it all the time. And I just shut down as far as... doing anything in the woods. Like I said, I was the youngest kid in the neighborhood,

and it was out in the country. We lived on a dead-ed road, but we had families all around it. But I pretty much played by myself because my brother and my sister were five or six years older than me, and most of the kids in the neighborhood were around their ages. So, you know, the little kid kind of was left behind. So I learned how to play by myself all the time, and I played Cowboys and Indians,

and Daniel Boone, Dave Crockett, played in the woods all the time, make, you know, fashion spears and bows and arrows. And, you know, I was always content to play up by myself. And that stops. No more squirrel hunting, no more chasing rabbits in the wintertime. There was none of that. There was no way you would ever get me in the woods.

And, you know, we harvested firewood. Firewood was a, you know, was a supplemental income for us. And, you know, so my dad was always, you know, we harvested firewood all year around. My dad was always trying to get us to go to the woods. I hated it. I would throw fits about you could get me to do anything except go to the woods and cut wood. There was no way. There was no way I was doing it.

And my dad died when I was 12. So he died about a year after this. And we kind of, the family farm kind of, we stopped, you know, with the cattle and, you know, the animal raising and that kind of thing. And no more harvesting wood. And, of course, I went into high school and off to college. college and but the nightmare stayed with me right up till college. I mean, they never, I didn't have them on a nightly basis, but I could say I had them regularly, at least twice a month, I would have, uh, uh, I don't know what you want to call

it. One of those where you can't move type where you wake up screaming, sweating, scared to death, you know, dreams. Very post-traumatic stress. I don't know if that's what it is, but it was very, very, very, uh, it was very, uh, akin to that, but... Yeah, I would say post-traumatic stress would be

an accurate description of that. And it was one of the things where that, as you grow older and, you know, the stigma of Bigfoot really lands, you know, lands its mark on you or lays its mark

on you, you know, it's one of the things where you just, you don't talk about it anymore. You just, you shut up about it. And so I did, I stifled about it. And, you know, It would come up and, you know, it would come up, but how it would happen would like, I'd have friends that would say, hey, Jason, we're going to go fishing. You want to go fishing? And I love fish. I'd be like, yeah, where are you going?

And if they said, oh, we're going to boat fish over here on this lake or we're going to dock fish over here or bank fish over here, sure. But if they said, we're going to hike up into the mountains and fish down the, you know, fish the stream downward, I would always come up with a reason to not go. It was never, well, guys, I can't go because, quite frankly, I'm terrified at Bigfoot. You know, I couldn't say that. So I would say, oh, man, you know what? I just realized that I've got something planned. I won't be able to go. But I would, you know, I kind of adapted.

That was my way of, you know, avoiding it, basically. And then I was actually in church one day, and my son was practicing for a program for, I don't know what it was. and I overheard two gentlemen speaking behind me, one of which I knew was a retired park ranger, and the other guy was just the guy I knew from church, and they were just having a conversation, and I really wasn't being nosy, but I couldn't help it over hear what they were saying, and they were talking about how Bigfoot had allegedly been seen in an area. This was in the Cherokee National Forest in Tennessee when I lived in Tennessee, and they had said that a siding had to happen at Indian Boundary,

and just that little tidbit of conversation that I overheard kind of triggered something in my brain, and I started having the nightmares again. So here I am at 40 years old now, waking up, sweating, and scared a big foot. And I'm like, it was a little bit, oh, I don't know, kind of a shot to my manhood, I guess. It kind of, I don't know, emaculated me in some way. I don't know exactly what it did, but. Well, you know, it's very difficult. for many, many people that have had these encounters,

especially when you don't have anybody to talk about it. And I can relate, you know, having my parents make fun of me for just finding footprints and having nobody really to talk to except my buddies, thankfully. But there's a lot of people just like you that don't have anyone to talk to, so you have to bottle it up and just kind of deal with it. Yeah, that's true. It's one of those things where you almost, you almost have to, hate to say anything to anybody about it because especially with me, I mean, in my adult

work career, you know, I was an insurance agent. I was a licensed insurance agent. And, you know, I'd have to go through, you know, life insurance questions where you'd have to ask questions like, you know, have you or any member of your family ever been diagnosed with a mental illness. Have you ever, you know, you have to go through all these health-related questions. And I know, especially I talk to talk to people that I know they know what I'm talking about especially when I live in East Tennessee

I found it I'm sure you guys are aware of this you know people that live in the mountains the Smoky Mountains or the Rockies or wherever they know all about these creatures I actually in my adult life after you know like I said when I started

having the nightmares again at 40 I was actually I went to a therapist friend of mine was talking with him about it and I was actually in doing a well my ex-wife were divorced now but her and I at the time were in a in pretty intense couples therapy and how it would work is I would go one day and speak to the therapist individually and then she would go one day and then we would go together as a couple and on one of these individual sessions I said to the therapist hey look I got to talk to you about something and it

has absolutely nothing to do with why we're here and I just laid it out on the line to him you know, this is what happened when I was a kid. And what I liked about it was he didn't condemn me or he didn't, you know, look at me like I had three eyes or anything. He suggested that I try to find people that have had similar experiences and talk about it. First time at 40 years old, I went online and Googled Bigfoot for the first time. And five years later, I've really come a long way as far as, as far as, you know, I got into this. The main reason I got into this was to face my fear, so to speak. And I've come away with that.

I still kind of scared. Yeah, you find out you're not alone. You find out you're not alone. Yeah, that's, you know, that's what I really liked about it is that I was able. I don't know if you remember the original Bigfoot forums link or thread or whatever. But I used to go on there and I had a moniker or whatever you want to call it on there. But usually I would just be anonymous. I'd be a guest.

and I would just sit in and listen, so to speak, you know, watch the conversations as they developed. And there was no way I was going to interject something because, you know, a lot of, especially the old Bigfoot forums, they were pretty critical of people. And so, you know, that can get you to the stigma of knowing and knowing that these, how do I want to say this? I'm not a believer. I'm a knower. I mean, you know, there's no other, you're either believe or. or you know they exist, you know, or believe in them, or you know they exist, or you don't know they exist, or you don't believe, I should say. But a lot of times when you tell somebody, I'm a knower, they go, even on those Bigfoot forums, oh, yeah, well, it's not about, tell me about your encounter, it's, well, how many

encounters have you had, you know, because I've had 18 class A's and five class Bs, and you get, you know, you're like, well, look, bud, you know, I, you really don't make me feel comfortable here. So I had to do a lot of, you know, reaching out and, you know, kind of feeling people out before I would really tell my story. Now, I know you guys, I've heard West, you know, I don't know what he calls them, the flute players. I know. I know you have a tendency to give the flute players a hard of time. But to be honestly, the majority of the people that I know that are, you know, that are, whether you call them researchers, experiencers, enthusiasts, the majority of the ones I know are flute players. And that's not because, you know, I'm a flute player and just I'm a hippie, and I just gravitating people like that, you know. But I also know in the same sentence, I also know that these creatures are not the e-walks of the woods. You know, there's, I kind of feel that, you know, like people, there's good ones and there's bad ones. And, you know, they police themselves, I think, to a certain extent. But they are not, they are not your Harry and the Henderson's.

Yeah, the bottom of mine is they're wild animals. right you know they're they are wild there's no doubt about it they are wild and the whole i kind of was getting turned towards a certain certain direction with these things and what i have found is that my heart and my head are basically both on the same page where i'm i'm not ready to get cuddly and friendly with these things you know i'm just not ready to do that and uh you know i've had plenty of experiences since then. I've gone out on, you know, several campouts, and I've even had an experience where there was one across the creek from us, and you could, I'm staring at eyes shine. I'm watching bright yellow eyes blink, and, you know, I'm seeing their eyelids

fall, and it's not a, it's not a possum. It's not a coon, you know, when you can see it in a bright moonlight, especially here in Georgia, we've got some of the clearest moonlit nights you'll ever sees and uh you know i've seen them in the woods looking right at me you know but am i ready to reach out and shake their hand no i'm not but you know i'm also ready i'm also uh not ready to have my arms torn off you know it's basically the thing and that's really my biggest fear because i especially listening to there's a lot of shows out there i know you guys hear them i know you you're familiar with them i've done this interview thing on a couple of them and i've had great experiences with it but what i have found it like i said earlier

They're not, I just, I have a hard time stepping onto the soapbox that they're cute and cuddly and, you know, benevolent. You know, all of them, some of them might be benevolent. I don't know. You know, I don't know. Right. West and I've both seen them up close and I don't think either one of us would categorize them as friendly. Do you think your mom or your dad actually knew more than what they said? You know, it's hard to say.

I've had other people ask me the same question. And I've actually approached my mom about it. Like I said, my mother turned 80 on the 5th of this month, and she's still pretty sharp, and she's still a tough old bird, but she just doesn't remember the things like she used to. She used to be just sharp as attack with that kind of stuff, but she just doesn't remember anymore. And it's really kind of hard for me.

I'm a nonlinear thinker, and my mother knows this, you know. So sometimes, you know, if I approach my mom with things like ghosts or UFOs or any sort of thing like that. She's kind of a realist. I think you're out of your mind. You know, that would be basically her response. I think they knew a lot more than they were letting on, especially my dad. I really, you know, like I said, my dad died when I was 12,

so I never really had to, I never really got an opportunity to talk to him about it. But my dad was very, very concerned. I remember him being very concerned about the looks on our faces, but, you know, it also, when I told them that I didn't want to go to the woods anymore as a kid, like I said, I would pitch a fit, and my dad would finally say, well, you can stay at the truck and load brush. You know, that's all I need you to do is to stay at the truck and load brush. And I knew that if anything was it happened, I could either jump in the truck or jump under the truck, but I felt a little bit more comfortable just staying at the truck and loading brush.

Like my dad said, but I think he kind of understood why, you know, that I had a fear or something. and, you know, I don't know. Do you have brothers and sisters? Yeah, yeah, my brother, my brother, he won't talk about what happened to him. Barely. He'll barely talk about it. Like I said, when I was up there in 2012, I had my high school class reunion. My 25th high school class reunion was in 2012.

I ended up going up there for the reunion, and I went and talked to my nephew. you and we were sitting at his house and I said, hey, did your dad ever talk to you about monkey people in the woods? You know, with kind of a half grin on my face. And he's like, yeah, he told us about that. And I said, really? And he's like, yeah, he didn't talk to us much about it,

but he'd tell us not to go into certain parts of the woods because there was things down there that he couldn't keep us safe from. And so I said, you know, tell me a little bit more. And well, he said, you know, my nephew told me that he's had, very often things happen like, you know, they're deer hunters. They do a lot of deer hunting, and he had a deer. He just dressed a deer and had it hanging in a tree and a hook, and something came up in the middle of the night and lifted the deer off the hook and carried it away from the house.

Didn't drag it. They carried it away. And then he had a 50-pound bag of dog food that come up missing off his back porch. And when I was telling him about, you know, that sounds like you might have something going on around here. He said, all this time I've been thinking that the neighbors were thieves. and he says, it turns out it might be something else. And then, so we went down to the woods and we saw the area.

Like I said, the woods have actually grown up into that meadow. They've taken over to the berry bush. So I never got close enough to the berry bush. I got maybe 25, 30 feet away from where I thought it was. But we went down there and there's a spring-fed pond down there. And we found what appeared to be juvenile tracks around the pond, a couple of them. and and then you know I came back to Tennessee and oh a month or so past and my nephew sent me a picture and he says hey this is weird he says look look what I found come out to find in my yard this morning and something had dragged a tree out of the woods a small cedar tree and he had two cedar trees in his yard already well they've taken the cedar tree and they had basically twisted one end of it to one of the trees and then and took the other end and twisted it to the other end of the tree, root ball and all.

It's just the roots dangling out of there. And just in the middle of his yard. And he was like, do they do stuff like that? I'm like, yeah, they do. And he's like, wonder what they want. He says the dogs won't, you know, the dogs would go to the edge of the yard and bark all night would never go into the woods. Daytime, they're all over the woods.

But the nighttime, the dogs wouldn't go out there. So I'm like, it sounds like they're still around. and his girlfriend was, she was pregnant at the time, and they moved out of there a month or so after that because she, it really freaked her out. She was like, you know, she'd say that, you know, she always felt like something was looking at her in the window. And it, you know, so they had some,

they still have some activity going on up there. And as I said to my message to you, Will, that my hometown in the early 1800s, 1818 or 1817, around that time, they had actually printed a new story of a, man who had spotted a wild man on his property, and they actually printed the story in the newspaper in 18-something, and that written account is like one of the oldest recorded sightings in American history. So there's a history in that area, and of course, you know, we all know about Whitehall,

and, you know, Whitehall is just a couple hours east of where I grew up. So, you know, it's a pretty hot little spot up there. I want to go back to when you had that encounter, the close one where you reached out and touched. That was your cousin with you? Is that right? Yes. Well, yes. My step-cous.

Yeah. Right, your step-cousin. Did you ever talk to him about what happened afterwards? Well, I actually spoke to him about it briefly in high school. Like I said, I graduated in 87, and he was a couple of years younger than me. And one day during the summer, we had three-wheelers and four. four-wheelers and all that kind of thing. And he and I used to sneak out in the woods on our four-wheelers

and smoke cigarettes, believe it or not, that was the thing to do. And he and I shared a cigarette one day, and we were talking about the woods. And he had mentioned something about years prior. He had mentioned the fact that he had an uncle that was a Bigfoot hunter in Arizona or something. He had said something, this was prior to all this ever happening, you know, as far as he and I had experienced. And so I asked him when we were sitting out in the woods sharing the cigarette. I said, is your uncle still not Bigfoot? And he says, I don't know.

And I said, you remember that day, right? And he said, I don't want to talk about it. And that was it. We didn't talk about it. But to his defense or, you know, a little side note, he's had a lot of problems in his adult life. He's had a lot of, you know, a lot of legal issues in and out of jail. and he's had a couple of chemical dependency issues, and, you know, he struggles with something.

And I don't wonder, I mean, I wonder if maybe he was traumatized by what he experienced and just handled it in a different way. You know, I don't know. I'm just, that's completely speculative, you know, but, but yeah, to answer your question, Will, no, we talked about it one time when we were in high school, and basically it was let's not talk about it anymore. So if I could figure out what he said,

You know, if he, I'd like to know if you saw the face. That's probably one of the things that torment me the most about it is that I didn't get to see it safe. And I really would have liked those people's face. Yeah, it's very possible. I mean, and I kind of wonder, you know, listening to you, how many people there are out there, you know, that have had problems with their lives after having an encounter like that, especially as a young person, and having no outlet nobody to talk to about it. A lot.

You know, I, yeah, when I went to college, I told you I had nightmares clear into my late teens and early 20s about it. And when I was in college, it's funny, the dreams subsided when I started drinking. You know, everybody goes to college, everybody drinks, you know. And I used to drink a lot. I was in a fraternity, and we had a party every Friday, and Saturdays about it. And I used to drink a lot. And the dreams subsided at that point. but um you know i also suffered you know i also had a struggle in the in the mid 90s myself with chemical

dependency and alcohol you know not alcoholism per se but but alcohol and uh so yeah i think uh there's there's a there's quite a large percentage out there that don't have an outlet and that's what i really like about your show is that you guys really you know it's real it's not fantasy it's not like I said, it's not, you know, it's not the happy-go-lucky, you know, you know what I'm saying. Sure. Quite a spectrum in the Bigfoot circles. There's some realists and then there's some not-so-realist. Looking back, Jason, looking back, do you think that the whistling was to get your attention

or do you think it was like a signal to call others to that location? You know, that's something I've speculated about a lot. What I think is there was two of them there. And one was trying to get my attention so the other one could scurry out of there without being seen. Because it was, like I said, there's a pretty thick, it was a pretty thick berry bush. And, you know, we just, the way we approached that bush, we just kind of, you know, kind of trapped him, kind of, kind of corralled him in there. You know, he was like, I can't stay here, but I can't get out of here. And I think what I think happened was there was one to my right that was whistling.

again, like you said, trying to get my attention so this other one could scoot away. I don't, you know, again, I don't know. As you know, there's a lot of speculation in this type of thing. So another thing that happened with our animals, and I was going to share this, was I had a horse that I was telling you about, the horse that was mean to the other livestock. His name was Zarr. He was a geldered or a rabid. He was a great horse.

But he just didn't like other animals all that much. And he used to, what I would do is I would, when I get him in the, pasture, I would tie a long lead rope, like a 25-foot lead rope to an old tractor tire rim that we had. And I would tie him to that, and he would graze in a circle. And we always had his water crop out there. And when he would eat all the grass in a circle, which would take him four or five days, I would, you know, uproot him and move him. And one day, right around the same time when we had the cattle being harassed,

I went out to check on my horse, and he was laying down in the field. his leg was all, his bridle was all twisted around his leg and he had some lacerations on his legs. But his bottom lip looked like something had grabbed a hold of it and had tried to pull it off. It was like pulled right, like you could see the striations in the lip where he was like stretched. The cartilage had been stretched in it. And we called the vet and the vet came out and stitched up the lacerations in the leg. He had no bite marks on him again, no canine bite marks on him anywhere. and we asked about the horse's lip and she said that it's cartilage and that it'll take a few days,

but it will eventually go back to place, you know, back in place. But it almost looked like something had grabbed a hole of its mouth and tried to pull it down. And, you know, with the cast being gone like it was, I don't, I've often wondered that maybe, what I've speculated is maybe it might have been maybe an older one or maybe a, you know, I don't know, a handicapped one or physically disabled one that just couldn't hunt as well as the others or whatever. It saw easy pickings, you know, saw a grocery store. Hey, we got animals in a box here. I can just reach in and get these.

Because whatever got into my rabbit hutch has had to have fingers. You know, people have said, well, raccoons could probably open it up. Yeah, but a raccoon's not going to eat a guinea pig, you know. So, you know, something had to have fingers to get in my rabbit hutch. And I don't wonder if maybe, you know, I've wondered a lot about about this. and, you know, I've often thought that maybe it was, like I said, an older, older big foot that couldn't hunt, wasn't as fast as it could be or used to be. Who knows?

You know, I've thought a lot of it. And they're going to go after what's easy anyway. Yeah, that's how, you know, when I got into this field, like I said, I mean, I'm not one of these guys that goes out in the woods with parabolic microphones, even though I've used them out in the woods. I'm someone that goes out there with a bunch of equipment or anything like that. I usually just go out and try to find them and try to feel them around me, basically. But in East Tennessee, I had several experiences that were very odd, you know, with these things.

And, you know, I think that there's a lot more to them than a lot of people think. And, you know, I don't think that they're a interdimensional creature by any stretch of the word. But they're a lot smarter than we think they are. You know, they're not a dummy animal. All primates are the smartest animals on the planet, so it goes to reason. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Jason, I was going to bring up, and I know that you don't like, you know, speaking about, you know, your animals being hurt, and I can understand that.

But, you know, in the interest of pinning down common behaviors, I was curious as far as, you know, the calf as well as the goose, where they gutted in any way or, you know, you mentioned the goose in the neck of the tree with the bloody breast, Was that because the breast area was ripped out and the guts subsequently ripped out? Or what was the further condition of those animals? Yeah, the calf I don't remember. The calf was basically laying on the grounds and the most visual memory I have is the neck area. You know, that's all I can really remember. So I can't say as to what the condition of the rest of the carcass was.

But the goose, yeah, it looked like something had basically pour its feathers off and ate the meat off breast is what it looked like. And then maybe it was like, well, that was pretty good. I'll save the rest for later and kind of fit on a shelf, so to speak. They stuck it in the notch of a tree, in the V-shaped notch of a tree, which is, you know, when you see a white goose dangling up there, it's a little chilling, you know. It's very chilling. But, yeah, I don't remember. I can't really remember if the cap had been gutted or anything. anything like that. I'm sorry, Shannon. I don't remember.

Oh, no, you're fine. Thanks, Jason. What I was impressed with... Yeah, we... Yeah, the little guinea pigs and the rabbits, well, I found two of my guinea pigs and one or two of my rabbits had come up missing, but the one that I remember in particular, the guinea pig, the little legs had been chewed right off, the little legs, and the head had been snapped off,

and the... it still had a bunch of its fur on. It was almost like a real, you know, a full body, but when we found it, also, you know, it's in the summertime. So when we found it, you know, the heat had pretty, pretty much done its work, the barn that we lived in, it was, or that we lived in, the barn that we had on, at the farm was a, a grandfather had built it. It was a pig, pig barn. It was, uh, cement or concrete inside. It had gutters and stanchions for cattle and all that kind of thing, but how it was, it was like a, almost like a lean-to shape. So, like, the lower end of the roof was at about five or six feet, and then the higher

end of the roof was at like 11, 10 or 11 feet. And then right in between 8 and 9 feet, right around that area, well, midway on that roof is where I found the guinea pig ultimately, and the way I found it was the smell. But it was just a weird place to find a guinea pig on the roof of the barn, you know, that's what weird. but used to find stuff like dead weasels laying around all the time you know i don't know if you all know what a weasel is but but we used to find them around all the time and we always assumed that the cats were getting them and things like that so you know to find a dead animal on the roof the first thing

you would think would be cat you know that's what i would think or something like that but um cat can't open rabbit hutches and that's where you know it kind of goes off you know off the on the road of normalcy, in my opinion. Can't think enough for coming on, man, and sharing your encounter. I was, I'm blown away by it. It was a fascinating account. I can't imagine as a kid going through that.

Hearing your story will help other people come forward with, because there's a lot of people on farms. I'll tell you the funny thing about people on farms, going back to your mom and dad, starting to come across us as we listen to more and more encounters. A lot of the old school people, like your mom and dad, that are on farms, for whatever reason tend to look the other way

and not really address what they think is going on. And I don't know why that is, but we tend to see that a lot, especially people on farms, you know, out in rural areas, they'll tend to kind of look the other way and brush it off as... I think they're just really down to earth people.

I mean, my parents were like that. We grew up on a farm. That's where I had my encounter. And you're not really into those extra things. It's kind of nuts and bolts. and if it's something out of what you're dealing with, you just, it's easier to ignore it. Yeah, I agree.

I think, you know, that people that, you know, farm families, they're very, they're very much realist, you know. Look, you know, what I got to do is I got to get the spring, you know, that kind of thing. I got to get my, you know, I got to make enough money to, you know, grow in my crops and all that stuff to pay off my credit so I can live in the wintertime, you know, or, you know, vice versa. but they uh but yeah i think you're right will it's a the the property that we lived on that i was telling you about it wasn't my grandparents and it was family property like you know for many years so there's no telling i you know someday i hope you know when i when i cross the cross the bridge or i go wherever you go when you're done here i hope to sit down on my grandfather and ask him because he knew the wood like the back of his hand asking hey did you ever

see anything that it was you know out of the ordinary or you know i would love to have an opportunity to sit down and bend his ear about that. And, you know, like I said, I have tried with my mom, but my mom is pretty much, you know, she grew up in the depression, and so she can remember a lot of things that happened when she was a little kid, but she can't remember much of the 70s and 80s, especially around the time, you know, my dad died in 82. So, you know, my mom kind of shut down for a few years after my dad died. So a lot of that, she's kind of blocked out. But I do think you guys are right. I think that people that, you know, they are like that, down-to-earth, people that see something that's out of the ordinary, they do have a tendency to turn their head and, you know, shy away from it because it's too, I don't know, too weird. I've been called that my whole life, so, you know, I don't worry about it.

Yeah, I hear you. That's okay. I think we're all there. But we can't think enough, Jason. Thank you so much for coming on tonight. Sure, appreciate it. Yeah, sure. My pleasure.

Great job. You guys keep up the good work with your, I like the fact that you have a show on every week, and it's always something different. I think that's great. And I wish you all the best with your endeavor regarding your website and that kind of thing, and I hope to really check that out when it's up and running.

But I'll continue to turn you on and listen to your shows. I want to share this real quick with you. I have a fraternity brother. I'm going to mention his name, Mark Cliff. But when we were in college together, the last thing that I would ever talk, to my fraternity brother sepal is bigfoot and he and i became friends on facebook a couple of months ago and he's like hey i see you're into bigfoot and i'm like yeah well i wouldn't call it i'm into it but

yeah you're like oh man me too you know and so i actually added him to the to the one of the groups that you all have i added them to the group but uh hey mark hell hell man a doubt into the cap of but uh but anyways again i reached out there with your with your uh show and your website and everything What you're doing. You're on the right path, I think. Appreciate it, man. And our website's up if you want to go to it. It's Sasquatch Chronicles.com. So if you get a chance, go check it out, ma'am. I will, definitely. All right. Thanks, buddy.

All right, guys. Have a great night. It's an interesting account. I mean, it's, it almost makes me think. You wonder that if he would have been an adult and not a 10-year-old and he was within that. Might have been a different story. might have been a different story. My feeling was that the whistle wasn't so much a cover, you know, to distract him, but was probably alerting the other ones that, hey, there's a human here.

Well, you know, and I can't call it Sasquatch, and you guys know that I've said this many times, but that whistle that I heard in Salfork, you know, the one that I really can't explain that. It was so loud and so long. I just wonder, you know, it makes you wonder. When you hear stories like this, you're like, gosh, you know, maybe that really was something.

And they were just saying, hey, what are these weirdos doing out here in the woods, you know, swinging glow sticks around, being idiots, you know? You know, one thing I did want to make a comment about whistling. And it's something for people that you hear a whistle out in the woods, it's not always a Sasquatch. Because I was hiking with some friends up in the Olympic Mountains a number of years back just outside of the buckhorn wilderness. And there's a trail up there that goes up to an old B-17 crash and it dead ends up there. And you're way up in the middle of nowhere. And we would hear these loud whistles. Well, as we'd stand still, we'd see marmots.

And if anyone knows what a marmot is, it's a large rodent, would come up out of their holes like prairie dogs, and they would whistle really loud just like a person. They don't see very well, so if you stand still, they'll come up really close to you and they'll whistle with each other. So just as a cautionary note, if you're in area, you know, if you're out looking for Bigfoot and you happen to see or hear a whistle,

go look and see if there are marmots in the area because they will whistle just like a person. You know, a lot of people who have seen Sasquatches, you know, I think of Mike Woolley and his encounter, or I can name off a bunch of different encounters where people actually do see them. I think Mike even saw it whistle. And this is just West Germmer guessing,

and which means absolutely nothing to everyone listening out there. But you know, the whoop that is reported that Sasquatch does, I think the whoop is kind of like a location thing. And it didn't really occur to me until, like I said, I worked in the warehouse and the guys who swoop to each other back and forth to get each other's attention. And I thought, you know, that's pretty... And none of them knew what Bigfoot, anything about Bigfoot.

They're like, you know, because I brought it up to them. I was like, why you guys whooping? And, but the whistle, I almost wonder if the whistle is, Like you said, Will, either an alert, hey, there's something in the area, or I wonder if the whistle is calling in more of them to the area. Because if you listen to Mike Wolley's encounter, it specifically whistled, and then another one showed up, came right to where he had whistled. Yeah, and if you notice, it's not usually a combination.

It's either one of the other. And the whistle, like I mentioned on a previous show, is one of the first types of vocalizations that we know about with these things because it's what the native peoples talk about probably more commonly than anything else and when you look at the ceremonial masks, the wooden carved ones, how you can usually pick out, you know, what's representing the Sasquatch or the Wild Band or whatever name a group has given it is by the purse lips, the purse whistling lips. Absolutely.

Yeah, and that's specific to these creatures. And you know, the Hutches is a re-reak. reoccurring theme across the board. And they just look at it like, hey, it's a grocery store right there. I'm going to go grab a chicken, a guinea pig, a rabbit, whatever's in the hush. And any animal will do that. Any predator is going to go for the easiest meal. They're not going to say, well, you know, that's chicken.

I don't need to go get that. That's, you know, farm fed. I'm going to go and get something that's free range. You know, not when it's, if your stomach's rumbling, you're going to go after the easiest thing possible. so it makes total sense to me. Well, next on the show, we have Victoria, and she wanted to share a few short stories from the Akron area. Am I saying that right?

Shannon, out there in Ohio. Akron, yeah. Akron, yeah. She wanted to share a few short stories out there from the Akron area in Ohio. So I wanted to welcome Victoria to the show. Go ahead and share your stories with us that you have out there in your area. Well, going back, the first one is from probably about C9, the winter of. Now, the area, what my grandma told me is, it is just a little bit south of Akron.

It is southeast of Akron. Back then there was, it was all farmland still, a little bit of houses. The main road was like a one-lane dirt road, and it was parallel to a pretty large. larger river and all that is still there. The road is a two-lane road now. And then the street was more of a dead end street. There's maybe five houses. This happened in the wintertime because my grandpa, he was on a water pill, so we know how that kind of goes. He was out going to the bathroom and the bathroom faces west. And so happened, he looked down and he's like, comes back to bed and he's like, now between the two yards, there was a tall light that lit up the backyard. And

He's like, there's a fair-foot guy wearing a fur coat walking in three-foot snow. Nobody knew Bigfoot. It was, you know, late 60s. The next one, my mom told me, was all kind of like uproar. The whole neighborhood knew, like all the neighbor kids. It would have been a party about summer of, I believe, about 72. Same street. There was rumors, you know, with summertime.

Rumors of a seven-foot guy stalking around at night. and the neighbor this couple of houses up from where we lived the house was the garage was more of like a slope instead of like a peak they are now it was more of a slope

so the four or five brothers decided oh we want to walk we want to see this so they were out there laying on it and all of a sudden there footsteps and something walked up and its head was above the garage itself the side of it was up

just watching them. Just stood there and stared down, and they were scared to death. They walked away as they jumped into the house. They jumped off and went in the house. And all that, most of that is still there. It's just built up a lot. Remember my grandma telling me that one, which I've read other reports from the 70s. It's all the same area, because I guess they do travel a lot, so it's really just a hop.

The other one is actually Mogadour Reservoir, my husband and I. Now, my husband is six-four of 300 pounds. He's a big boy. We were out in Magado Reservoir, the boat loading dock. And I read a report, this is December, like I think 2011, 2010, the warm, warm winter. And we were, you know, just looking around, and he found his tracks. Now, the report in the BRO, same exact place, husband and wife for catfishing, and fish came vanishing out of the back of their truck.

We found footprints, and my husband tried to, like, kind of walking them. They were kind of a little bit older, covering leaves and things, and he barely could do it. You could see the large tracks. And he was size 15, and they were bigger than his ski,

kind of walking slowly up the hill and kind of stopping around the side of a tree. This is the only little stories around Akron that I know of. Did you, Victoria, did you ever talk to your grandparents about, like, your grandpa seeing the guy with,

what he thought was a fur coat on out walking around? He passed away when I was like five. He passed away in the early 80s. I just know, like, what, my grandma had said that he just thought it was weird that put in a fur coat walking, you know, because it was walking south. It would have been, like, lit up by the light. So that's all really known.

And that was kind of like before, you know, there's the unsolved mysteries that came out in the 80s where they talked about Patty. It really wasn't anything like that. Nobody really knew, even the early 70s. all the kids, you know, it was a seven-sloat guys stalking around at night. We know there's no seven-foot guys stalking around now, but... Yeah, it's hard for people today to believe that, you know, back in the early 70s, this wasn't talked about much, and it wasn't.

We really didn't know, you know, I'd never heard the word Bigfoot when I first found tracks. Because I know even if you go a little, just a tad north of Akron, there's stuff all the time. Like, even, what was it over the summer, we had a lady just disduring. gear and they found her. Yeah, that was in Cuyahoga Valley, wasn't it, Victoria? Yeah, which is just 20 minutes up the street from me. Yeah.

At the most. Did they find her a river? No, she was in a river. Yeah. She wasn't that far from the resort either. There's actually quite a few stories out of that state park there, Cuyahoga Valley. Different ones with the people that live, like, on, what is it, Route 303. I've read a bunch of different reports of those stuff in people's backyard right there.

Yeah, and actually a lot of, or not a lot, some of the reports are, you know, the Sasquatcher, they're not in a good mood. They're very ill-tempered. I think a lot of them are type 1 around here. I was just going to say that, you know, that behavior is kind of a clue as to which type 2, the 2s and the 3s are a little more ill-tempered than the ones in the 4s. I can contest with what you just said, well, the type ones are kind of dicks too. Well, no, I'm just saying they're a little more ill-tempered.

I didn't say the ones and four years. The other two are just a little bit more testy. Yeah. Yeah, there's a report out at Cuyahoga Valley where, you know, a guy and his friends were out rocking by, I suppose near the railroad tracks that run straight through the middle. And a Sasquatch stands up out of the swamp, just. starts screaming bloody murder at these guys. And they take off running.

They had enough. That was enough for them. That'd be enough for me. Yeah. Yeah, I was just telling Will earlier today, and I'm trying to get this guy to come on the show, he had an encounter with what he thought was a juvenile, but it wasn't until years later that he realized what he had seen.

I think at the time he thought it was just a monkey. He was actually in a cemetery, and he was smoking with, it was a bunch of gang members, they were out there smoking in a cemetery. And he said this thing was probably about 20 feet from him. It was all hairy, and it just kind of stood there and looked at him.

So I'm trying to work on getting him on the show, but it's a real fascinating account. He goes into a pretty good description of what he saw. You know, if a cemetery isn't creepy enough, nothing like running into a big foot in one. Right. Yeah. Well, we appreciate it, Victoria.

We appreciate you coming on and sharing those short stories with us. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for coming on. We appreciate it. Thanks for waiting up so late for us. Oh, it's so early, so good.

Yeah, we definitely appreciate that. Thank you. All right, Victoria. Have a great night. You know I want to go to the Pai Hoga Valley. How far away is that from you? It's about 25 minutes. What are you waiting for?

I know, right? Yeah. I should be doing this broadcast from there right now. What the heck am I waiting for? Newbies. Yeah, my girlfriend wants to go up to, yeah, Cold Mountain tonight. Oh, go up there. It's awesome.

Yeah, I mean, it's, I would probably. You're like, yeah, not really, though, but thanks. Been there, done that. Let's just watch some tell you. okay? No, it's not that. It's just between the website and then working and I'm spent, I'm spent, man. I'm spent.

If I was closer, I would probably gang up with Mimi and talk you into going, though. So just to let you know, that place was awesome. It was pretty cool to be here. We're probably going to end up going up there. You know how it is with women. Yeah, you can't win. You can't win. He's going to be like, okay, now let's play the baby cries and let's go just full throttle.

Let's get this thing done, you know? Yeah, I probably won't do the baby cries up there. I'm waiting for summer. I was chatting with a guy, a friend on Facebook earlier, who had a friend who had, a friend of has had actually taken pictures up in the northern part of the state here of some that look like infant Sasquatch tracks on a sandbar. I'm kind of excited to go up and we were talking about different. places and they knew all the names he was talking about very familiar with the area so we're planning on going up there next summer that's that's some of that area you know you just can't get in there until the middle of summer because of the snowpack and then the windfalls

the weather hits that part of northern California really hard in the winter so there are literally thousands of trees down over the roads up in those mountains so and and I'm not forced to cliff yeah I'm not trying on the actual location but how far north you know how far northern California is it It's up near the Oregon, California border. Yeah, that would be tough to get into in the wintertime. You know, I was thinking today, I was looking on the website. I'd posted, I don't know if you guys saw it or not,

but I'd posted a primate throwing a rock, a gorilla throwing a rock. And I was sitting, I was thinking, you know, a lot of the flute players out there, the first thing they'll tell you is that it's playful behavior. When they throw a rock at you, that's playful behavior. In that video, it was pissed. Well, what's funny is that video, it doesn't really, it kind of stealthly walks up on the guy and then really throws a rock. I don't think he has great aim, but it wasn't screwing around when it threw that rock.

It was kind of like back off or I'm pissed off. There was no playful behavior in there. And not that I'm correlating Sasquatch with a gorilla, but if we're saying Sasquatch is a primate, which I think all three of us think it's a primate. They are. I don't doubt about that. What I saw, I would consider a primate.

But, you know, when you, being a primate myself, you throw a rock at me, we got some problems because I'm not going to, for one moment, think that's playful behavior. Yeah, you don't think that's cute. And, you know, there were some associated videos with that. When you posted it before I did, I was getting ready to do it, and either already beat me to it.

But there was other words. ones that were throwing sticks and dirt. Now, where we've heard all of that before, these things throw things. And they don't have the greatest name just like gorillos and I'm sure other primates like chimps and smaller monkeys will throw things also. It's not an uncommon behavior. And we've all heard the stories about chimps throwing poop at people if they do. Let's hope Sasquatches don't do that. We could be in for a rude surprise out there. Well, it makes a big statement if you throw some poop around, you know.

It definitely gets your attention across. You know, it's not a friendly gesture, throwing your poop with someone. It's not a love note, guys. I mean, let's not go start and playing some interim. They're throwing crap at you. Let's get out of here. Yeah, if you go back and you watch that video,

you watch that gorilla, it's pissed when it throws that rock. And it's funny because it grabs the rock. It walks all the way over to where the people are at. and then it throws a rock and it was pissed when it threw it. Didn't they antagonize it or something? Yeah, a little bit. They were kind of screwing with it.

But it actually, if you watch it, it walks over, picks up a rock, walks over to the guys that are screwing with it. One of the guys has a, I think he's filming with his iPhone, but it walks over to him and it throws that rock. And I'll tell you one thing.

That thing, that gorilla could be a pitcher for a major baseball team Because when it threw that rock, it really threw that rock. I won't see something about primates and how they classify things. You probably should have Mark Dobbs on sometime to talk about it since he's a professional. But what a primate isn't so much DNA and things like that. Simpler than that. So the things that are like us that have two arms, two legs, head, the torso the way we have.

The same general mechanical design, that's how they classify things. So the Saskatch is very clearly a primate for anybody that's interested out there. And that's the thing when we're talking with Jason, he's like, you know, I don't think these are dumb animals that are out there. And he's right. What I saw and what me and what he experienced was not a dumb animal by any means. We weren't dealing with deer out there. I can tell you that much. No, they were maneuvering on you guys.

Absolutely. It was a coordinated movement. Very coordinated. And when you watch like chimps how they attack when you watch guerrillas, it's the exact same thing. They do the exact same thing as far, especially chimps. If you watch how chimps actually will attack other monkeys, it reminded me and Woody being the little monkeys and the saskwashes or the chimps coming after us. It was just like that. Yeah, I think behaviorally, I think the Sasquatch behavior, at least the ones we know of, the type ones and probably the other ones as well.

the behavior is more chimp-like than gorilla-like. I agree 100% with that. Yeah, a guy sent me a video today, and it was an orangutan, and it was in a cage at a zoo. And I don't know if the gentleman had crossed the, you know, there's the cage and then there's like the outer barrier. I don't know if he had actually crossed over that or was just leaning in. But this orangutangang had grabbed a hold of his T-shirt.

And the orangutan wanted the t-shirt, period. That's all that, I mean, it was going to happen. So I think the girlfriend was trying to, it seemed as though she was trying to hit the orangutan's arm, like, let go, let go. And they thought it was kind of funny, but they don't realize that that thing had a death grip on that t-shirt. And if it had a grip on something else, he had been in big trouble. But what he ended up doing was taking the t-shirt off. And subsequently it turned into cutie-cutey-cutey, right? Like the orangutanang actually, he put the T-shirt on at one point.

Like, he knew that's what it was for. And he were probably lucky it was an orangutan instead of a gorilla or a chimp. Exactly. If that thing had a hold of his neck, he'd have been gone. And they were laughing and it was cute, but I was thinking, man, that could have gone a whole other direction. If it was a chimp, it would have just stabbed you in the heart and took your shirt and there had been nothing kutzy about it. I was just going to say where people laugh about something like them think it's funny, you know, it gives people the wrong idea about primates, you know, where they think it's cutie and funny

and then they're doing, you know, human-like things. And they go out in the wilds here in North America and kind of these things. And it's not so funny anymore because they're not like orangutans. Well, I was going to tell you guys, I saw this thing on, I think it's on demand. I should post it to the website. It's pretty interesting. They were doing these tests on these chimps. I want to say in Liberia back in the 80s,

and then when it became unpopular to do animal testing, they had to stop. So they put all these chimps out on an island. They were trying to come up with some sort of cure for hepatitis. They were trying, the different strains, you know, hepatitis B, C, they're trying to come up with a cure for it. So they infect these chimps with the disease, and then they would try to cure it.

And when everything got shut down, they put all these chimps on an island, and they call it ape island. And now the government is basically pays people to go out and feed them. There's caretakers for the chimps. And they go out there. Well, this team from the Discovery Channel wanted to go out and check out this island. So they were talking to locals and they were trying to get a fill for the island.

And it was fascinating because every local they talked to said, don't go to that island. And the guy kept asking, why? Why don't you want me to go to the island? He said, the chimps will eat you. The guy kind of laughed it off at first, and then he talked to another guy, and the guy is like, oh, you don't want to go to that island. And he said, well, why? And he said, the chimps will eat you.

One person after another basically said, don't go to this island, that they had people, local people that would go out and try and feed the chimps never came back. And so they filmed these guys going out to this island, and they get about 20 feet from the shore. they're starting to get bluff charges from these huge adult male champs. It was just interesting. A lot of the behavior you saw was a lot of the behavior that is reported with Sasquatch. Right. Oh, I just got a patient that we just had on.

He said, by the way, I was going to tell you, my nephew told me that he was hunting down there one day, apparently the place he talked about on the show, and startled two guys dressed like conservation officers. first tried to give him a hard time demanding he move on. But when he spoke up, they said they were trespassing, and they immediately got in their truck and drove out of there. Very strange. That's an interesting tidbit. Conservation officers, huh?

Yeah, you know, that's what happened when I talked previously about the Wilkinson, Washington, 1980 event with the two elk were torn apart. Those were game officials investigating that. and one of them at least was. I don't know about the other people who were up there investigating, but all I was told there were a lot of people with badges and guns up there. We're just starting to see a lot of correlations. People say that, oh, you guys are, yeah, oh, you're talking about conspiracies and this and that.

You know what? We're just taking reports, and they're just starting to line up way too well. Yeah, it's not, we're not developing the theory. The theory's coming together on its own or the picture's coming together on it. Yeah, how many cops have we not put on the air that have said the same story over and over again, where they investigated something, two guys show up or three guys show up, one guy claims to be a consultant, and the other two are usually in suits or, you know, no one really has a uniform on, and all of a sudden these guys run the show when they show up.

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