Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:632 James "Bobo" Fay

Episode Date: March 8, 2020

James Fay, or Bobo, was born and raised in Manhattan Beach, California, and has been interested in the Bigfoot mystery for as long as he can remember. As a teen, he became an avid surfer, a skill set he would eventually use to investigate reported Bigfoot sightings in remote areas of the country. While in college, Bobo spent his downtime in the woods attempting to locate a Bigfoot. Following college, he took logging jobs on Native American crews to absorb their knowledge of the sasquatch legend. In addition, he increased his Bigfoot knowledge by taking jobs building roads and commercially fishing in Northern California. Bobo says that he saw his first sasquatch while on an investigation with veteran Bigfoot researcher John Freitas in 2001. Since his initial sighting, Bobo claims to have glimpsed Bigfoots on a few other occasions, but it was this first visual sighting that moved him the most. Today, Bobo makes a living as a commercial fisherman out of Eureka, California. He continues to take odd jobs in unrelated fields, most of which are centered on trying to spot a Bigfoot. His close relationship with the community in which he lives helps him keep his "ear to the ground," and he collects dozens of local Bigfoot sighting reports each year.

So Bobo, here's my very important question. Matt Moneymaker, Cliff, and Renee are all drowning, and you can only save one. Which one do you save? That's a tough one. Shut up! I heard a response and he stepped on it. I guess I got to think of a man Cliff. Yeah, you got to save Cliff, otherwise there's no podcast, right?

That's exactly it. You got it. It looked like somebody was bent over. and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelled me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up, and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved,

almost as if it was gliding across the beach, I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were chomtering away back and forward, back and forwards, back and forward. I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. That's a son of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know. Do you see a mouse, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here.

Uh-uh. Name is Jen Cruz from Shee Squatchers, and you're listening to Sasquatch Cronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Was that easy like a Sunday morning? And the guy's underrated. Thanks so much for being here. Got a great show planned for you tonight. We're going to be talking to Bobo from Finding Bigfoot. And if you get a chance to check out their podcast, Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. If you listen to Sasquatch Chronicles, whatever podcast player you listen to, definitely check out Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. The guys do a good job, actually. You know, and I'm not just saying that because Bobo's on the show. It's kind of nice to hear a Bigfoot show that isn't a carbon copy of my show, which I hear is flattery.

But it's kind of nice to – it's cool to hear those guys talk and interact and some of the different guests that they've had on the show. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Bobo to the show. Bobo, thanks for coming on.

My pleasure. Thanks for having me. This is my favorite podcast. Oh, thanks, man. I appreciate it. And I know you have a pretty cool podcast yourself called Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff Brockman. And obviously, from finding Bigfoot, everyone knows you from that. Who named you Bobo?

Or did you, do you hit the guy in the mouth that gave you that name? or how did that name come about? I've always wanted to ask you. Because I had the name Jimbo, and then I had that until I was about five, and we saw the Dumbo movie. So, of course, my older brother started calling me Jimbo, Jimbo, the Big Fat Dumbo. So I demanded that they drop the name Bo part and just call me Jim. And so, of course, when you hate the new nickname, Jim Bobo, he started calling me Jim Bobo to double down.

And then there was some pro wrestler. He found an old professional wrestling card. of Bobo Valinsky and then so they started calling Bobo Balinski and of course I hated that and then so the name just stuck. Of course it'd come from your brother. That's some cold-blooded stuff, man. Yeah. No, I'm happy to have you on.

I wanted to ask you obviously about the podcast and the TV show and everything else you have going on in your life. If you would, would you take me back to a young Bobo? what got you into I don't want to ask that typical question of what got you into Sasquatch but prior to finding Bigfoot where I think most the audience knows you from

and then obviously your podcast Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff prior to all of that was it an encounter that you thought you know what I'm going to spend some time and energy looking into this subject No I grew up in the city I was told city boy

my dad had a huge my parents were into the nature in the outdoors we'd we'd get out there more than most kids that grew up in town but i was the city guy but i was about five i saw the pg film on so i don't even know what it was but i saw it on something and i was like now it was right when all the planet of the apes tv movies were on tv so i'd watch shows all the time and i knew those were guys in costumes and then when i saw the pg film i just thought that that does not look like those guys in the costumes that looks real and i just from a really young age. I mean, since kindergarten, I just started anything I could find on Bigfoot, I'd just devour it. You know, like, there were so few books and stuff like that back then. Or, you know, if a newspaper article came out, I'd clip it out. Like that, you know, the whole thing. And then in search of a Thunder Nemoi and Bonnick Man, Bigfoot, all that stuff. And what, and what was it? Was there a night where you decided, hey, I'm going to go look in the forest? Or was there a day you decided, hey, I'm going to go look in the forest and then you had an encounter? No, I looked for I mean I spent 17 years looking before I had a for sure encounter I just always always had that burning passion to go look for it, you know, and try to see one and I remember John Green had written said

if you wrote a million miles on a bicycle at night on logging roads in Northern California within that million miles you'll definitely have a big foot encounter sometimes with that, well that's it, I'm going to get myself a bike and go ride a million miles on forest roads at night in Northern California until I seen one. Then I got a job logging up in the Redwoods up there in Humboldt County. I bet a couple guys.

Then I bet my first witnesses, guys that actually had seen them themselves. And that got the fire burning. Without looking around, you know, would just go out and didn't know what I was doing. And that's back when I'd hear like a barred off, but like, what the hell is that? Weird coyote sounds. I never thought I heard a big foot. I just didn't know what I was hearing a lot of the time. or a fox or whatever the sound was, you know,

because I just didn't have a dad, you know, taking me hunting when I was 10 years old, pointing out every sound and explaining what things were. So I learned a lot of stuff from the other guys I was logging with and then just kind of self-taught just spending a lot of time in the woods. Yeah, it is kind of funny to hear some of the different sounds. I remember one time I heard a fox, and it was a sound I'd never heard before,

and I thought, Jesus, load that gun. You know what I mean? Like, what's going on out here? and it's a fox and there's a lot of animals they make very bizarre i mean bigfoot makes bizarre sounds but some of your natural animals make make very bizarre sounds um tell me about your your encounter your first encounter with it kind of what were you doing and and what happened well in hindsight my first encounters when we were logging up up the clameth river above the urock reservation we were on private timberland and um we're on the south side of the clemoth and we were on the south side of the

climat then we were way up way up uh it was like November december we were like a uh we were like a 4,000 some 4200 feet or something like that and it was snowy and icy we're on a north slope and we were in the morning i worked with these gnarly indian guys and they wouldn't get out of the rig we'd usually get out you know when it was still a little dark and start sharpening the saws and hike down into the unit there was a pretty gnarly hike get down in there and then we leave our lunches and stuff in the crummy of the top and then come back at lunch again and some of our lunches disappeared. And when I get out of the truck in the morning,

the Indian guys, these guys were like ex-cons and stuff. Like some of the Narder's guys in the Res. And they wouldn't get out until it got light. They would definitely not hike in the unit until the sun was above the ridge. And I'd get out of here, whistles and knocks sometimes. I thought, oh, it's pot growers up here, you know. And especially pot growers, you always hear stories about pot growers

being out in the woods, like, you know, sneaking around. So I thought, but then, And in hindsight, and those guys never thought that's what it was. They wouldn't tell me what they thought it was. But I hear knocks and whistles. And we had some lunches stolen. It wasn't until years later that I figured out that's what was going on.

I see those guys like, man, why don't you guys do? I thought they're just for Bigfoot. Why don't you tell me that was Bigfoot? And they're just like, I weren't allowed to tell white guys that, you know, that was like 30 years ago. So things have changed. Like the natives are definitely, that's one of the biggest changes is how open the natives are with sharing the information, which before they would not at all. Is that bird bugging you? No, that's all right.

I want to murder that bird when I listen to Bigfoot and Beyond, so I'm kind of used to it. I can move the cage. I'm just playing with you, man. I'm just playing with you. No, he's fine. Tell me about your first sighting. I mean, was that in California? I know you're from California.

Yeah, my first setting actually followed up. My first, for sure, encounter, which is still like to me the most impressive thing I've had to happen. and, you know, the most impactful, even more than seeing it was my friend John Frayas, he was a law enforcement guy in Northern California, Del Nort County, if they're on the Oregon border. And I saw him in the San Francisco Chronicle that article on him. So I've been in contact with him for over like a year or two, a couple of years. And we were talking, we were going to go out. And the next week we're getting a little expedition organized and do some call blasting

with some audio recordings. and I was talking about them was when cell phones were real bad connections and stuff. This was May 2001. I still remember it was May 21st, 2001. And I got a call from it. And I couldn't hear him like it.

It was like real scratchy, cutting out. And he's saying something about a woman, a Urock woman, having a big foot walk right in front of her across this road, Johnson's Road up behind Redwood National Park. And I knew this area like the back of my hand.

I knew exactly. I knew the clearing he was talking about and everything. and I was like, oh, no way. And so I jammed up there. And I found out the next day that he was telling me that it happened that day a year before to the day. Like May 21st, 2000 is when it happened. But I didn't hear that part.

I just heard that day. So I was like, oh, no way. So I bar my buddies. First time I had a real, I had one of those night owls, like $100 night visions from Big Five. Remember those little junk one? They were terrible. But anyways, this one was like several thousand. It was a Gen 2 Ukrainian model, you know, 90s, early 90s model, Gen 2, Ukrainian scope.

But it was the first time I had a real night vision, I was like, oh, this is awesome. So I went out there and I went to that clearing. Before I blew my vocal cords, I used to really loud, really loud, really good calls. I mean, I only got fooled Dave Ellis, you know, the guy that sound from the Olympic project, Dave Ellis does the sound analysis. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, the only guy has fooled him on his. is spectrograph that matches a big foot call.

And so not anymore, but back then I could. Anyways, so I was doing some really lot of calls. I was going, man, it's just dead still, quiet, clear. And my calls were ringing all the way down with the river, which was a couple miles away and acting for like 20 seconds, just nuts. And I was like, this is awesome, which I had done tons of times, of times, never had anything happen.

Then this time, I started hearing a wolf howl of the north. Well, I thought I was one of those, like, seven-eighth-eighth wolf, one-eighthous hosky, or Malamich. were popular back then. And my buddy had one that reminded me of that. I heard of hearing this, you know, like, just sounded like a wolf, really.

And I was going, there's no houses up that way. So, huh, that's weird. It must got loose. And then after about 10 or 15 minutes, I'll never forget.

It just did this, like, how, and it will roar, like just, and every hair of my body stood up, and I just went, no,

I, that's a big foot. Like, just knew it. Like, that's my, souls. It struck a primordial chord with me, you know, and I just got really excited. I could hear it come in. The road I was on ran north-south. And if someone's looking, if they want to look on Google Earth, you can, it's, if you go up 101 to Oric, California, and then you take Bald Hills Road to the east, it runs up through the middle of the park and it runs over to Witchpeg.

Halfway up there, there's a road called Johnson's, which forks to the north. I was on that road. So that thing was coming down from Johnson's. coming down from the north of Johnson's Road to me towards the south and I was a couple of miles in off the Bald Hills Road so I'm sitting there and going no I was getting really excited. The thing was getting closer and closer. It took about 40 minutes to afford to get down to where

I was and it was getting pretty dark at that point like a twilight and it came in it didn't it went quiet for like five, ten minutes or something like that and then I knew it was getting closer and I see this huge you know you can't imperson

It was just this incredibly loud, bellowing roar. That went into kind of like a chatter thing sort of. And instantaneous, I was facing due east. My face in 12 o'clock, due east, that was my pretty much exact 9 o'clock where this happened. I had Johnson's road to my back, and I'm facing east, and the Johnson's was through the west of me. And there was a little tree stand. I was in a little crescent moon-shaped meadow, and there was a tree stand. in the middle, like kind of in the middle of it,

not a tree stand, a little stand of trees. And so I set my chair up on the east side of that little stand, and I was looking, scanning through this meadow area where the report of the thing had crossed from across the road that year before, which, so I was sitting there looking east at 9 o'clock. I just see this bellowing roar, like just out of the blue, just, and then right then it, you know, it breaks a tree top or a thick branch right at the same time, like, you know, roars and snap.

So then instantly I get to my 2 o'clock, the loudest power knock I've ever heard. Just bam, just right there, just crack. So there's for sure, too. And they started moving towards each other. They met exactly at my 12 o'clock directly in front of me. They came together. They marched back and forth. They'd go, they'd meet in the middle, shake the trees, roar,

then kind of go back away from each other. Like, there were centuries marching back and forth. like they meet each time right in front of me and one wouldn't get to the meeting point before they'd both arrive at the exact same time they'd tons so they got there together and this went on for a couple hours and I was totally antagonizing them

like roaring, beating my chest, throwing sticks out towards them like it's totally stupid because John had told me like, yeah, if you can antagonize them enough they'll bluff charge you but they'll stop in front of you and just roar you they won't hurt you so they'll be scared

but they'll think, they'll make you think they're going to hurt you but they won't so don't worry about it. So I was like, all right, I'm just going to antagonize this thing. If it runs up and charles and howls, it growls, whatever. I'm just going to jump on the ground, like, do a little diving roll and try to grab a handful of hair before it kicks me or something. And, I mean, that's, I know it sounds super stupid now, but at the time, I was thinking like, oh, so that's my plan. Just try to get close enough to grab a hair, grab some hair before, you know, it does something to me.

And I had the night vision, and I was looking back and forth, back and forth. I never saw them. And I was, it had different dials and knobs on the front. And I was messing with those trying to get it to come in. And I guess the battery was fading and I didn't realize that. And so I was messing with the knobs. And I didn't realize one of the knobs was the battery holder. So when I was twisting that, I was getting loose for making the connection worse.

And then I twisted it far enough where the battery just was not connected and the whole unit died. And the second about unit died instantly, the big one that was on my 9 o'clock position, but it was probably at my 11 at this point. It just roars and then breaks from the tree line charging at me. There was a moonless night. It was pitch, well, it wasn't pitch black. It was dark, but there was starlight. It was clear.

And it was just, and there was, I think three of them rushed me. I think there was three there for sure, too. And they, like, didn't charge directly. I mean, they charged into the tree stamp to the side of me or behind me. And I thought, well, I thought they must have kept going because I didn't hear anything. It sounded like horses, like Clydesdale's running towards me, and then it just went dead quiet. And I had a big 105-pound pit bull in my truck, and he was like a really cool dog when he was out of the truck. But in the truck, he was a killer. He'd just guard it and guard it.

And I thought, well, they must, I don't know where they went, but they must have just crossed the road, like, not by my truck, or he would have went crazy barking. And I was just sit there kind of going, well, that was, that was the most intense thing in my life. I started hearing some wrestling behind me. And I just thought, oh, it's a wood rat or something like that. that, you know, something small. And there's a little more wrestling. And all of a sudden, I started getting this just total body fear, like top to bottom. Like, all my hair shut up.

And right then within a second or two, the wrestling came real close within five feet to me to my right, right behind my right hand shoulder. And then wave in the air, I started here and just, and it just got deeper and louder and deeper and deeper. and then when it got really lower, I could feel the rumbling hitting me still, but then that's why I'm convinced they could be some kind of infrasound because the growl went away

with the vibrations hitting me. It felt like a laser being hit me between my shoulder blades and neck. And I know that I've had other scientists tell me, well, you know, it was a big foot that might have been in for instance. It could be a pheromone that they secrete which causes the same reaction.

Like it's ingrained in our system to smell that. It's like a, you know, biological primordial thing like it's been ingrained in us when you smell those things like that if we evolve next to them then when you smell that then it's going to have your mind fill in these things like okay it's it's uh threatening me and i just sat there and oh we were talking about the woo before this is one of my woo moments because i had a disposable camera with a flash on it those old cardboard ones you know i take like 24 pictures if you drop it off and pick it up next we can edit photos.

I had one of those. And I was like, okay, I'm going to turn around and snap this thing's picture. And I swear, I know this could just see my mind playing tricks for me, but I was like, I did a little, I crank the thing, you know, so I flick the, you had to turn on the flash, I turned on the flash, made a little click and I, like, all right, this is, I was totally scared. I was real nervous. I felt like this is kind of sketchy, and I started to turn real slow.

And I just got this loud message in my head. if you take my picture, I'm going to F and kill you and hide your body so no one ever finds it. And it just was this loud, clear message. And it could have just been my own imagination filling in from a pheromone center, who knows what. But that's what I got. I turned back around at that point, I started getting really scared and started shaking. I started in the growl vibrations, even though I couldn't hear it, were super intense, and making my eyes water, and I was not breathing right.

and it was causing like a real physical reaction and I got up out of my chair all wobbly and then I made my way back to my truck and I had to walk right around the, you know, with an arm's reach of that stand to trees and I got it around that thing and I was, you know, oh my gosh, there's a giant huge ape man

that can turn me piece to piece just, I think it just threatened me. So I go back to my truck and it's pointed down Johnson's to the north and I wanted to head back south to get out of there and I got to my train to my train. truck and it was dark out. My pit bull was black and I'm looking at it and I'm like, oh my God, my dog's gone.

I couldn't, and I, my stomach just dropped. My heart practically stopped, you know, because I was like, that's my best friend, you know, my dog. And he's gone like they must have came by and just because I didn't lock the doors. I thought they must have just opened the doors and yanked him out. And I get in the truck and I realized he was down in the, the, um, your feet on the passenger side. And he'd torn out underneath the dashboard like up. behind like all the, you know, in the center of your, of your dashboard, like where all your

hoses for your heat and air conditioning, all the kind of stuff, he'd rip most of that stuff out and shoved his head and shoulders up into there. So I figured they must have came to the truck and, like, scared him half to death. So I drove north on this little, I was looking for a place to turn around. I just had a two-wheel drive Toyota standard, you know, stick shift. And I just went ripping down the road for 100-something, two-year-old. hundred yards, something like that. I don't know, maybe 250 yards at the bus. And then I saw a place where I could turn around, so I pull in a turn around.

I backed in. And when I went to pull forward, it was like a horror movie. My tire spun, and I wasn't coming out. I was, like, kind of stuck. I didn't want to bury my tires. I was like, oh, I know. Well, I just drove down here real fast. There's no way those things could have kept up with me.

So I jumped out to look. And as I'm looking, I can see, okay, great. Okay, I can get out of this. Then right then, that roar just came back again, that screaming, howling roar, just came from above me and to the south where I just come from but close like maybe 80 yards up the hill

and then it just started running down the hill at me and you just hear boom boom and just like you hear like a bulldozer going like that's what it sounds like a bulldozer on legs going through the woods just breaking just charging down at you and I jumped back in the truck and I took off out of there I went ripping down the hill this is about 15 miles back down to the 101

at that time it's gone now but there was a mill a redwood mill there I came flying in there and just, you know, tires squealing, came ripping and went up to the guard breeze and just locked him up and came to a skitting halt. The guy comes out, eyes all day like, what's going on? Dude, there's Bigfoot's up on the hill. Get my truck, I'm going to show up there with me.

And he's just like, dude, some big crazy guys comes ripping in here. Like, one of the morning yelling me to get in his truck to go look at Bigfoot's like, no way. And so he wouldn't do it. And I went to the bar down the road, try to get these guys. And they're old retired logger guys that is laughing. We said, we know they're there.

We're not going to mess with them. And then I went into town trying to get, I couldn't get anyone to go up there with me. I went to the next bar down in McKinleyville and went to Six Rivers Brewery and the Clam Beach Inn. And I knew people that were there. And I'm like, hey, man, it's the real deal. You know, they're there.

Right now they're going nuts. You got to go up there with me and no one would go. So the next day I went back up there. Man, that was the most scared I ever was. I went back up there with a night vision camera, like a Sony night shot with the infrared. And I went back up. and put out a bunch of, you know, food offerings

and this and that had infrared cleeg lights set up, lighting up the meadow, which I didn't think was a good idea, but John Fradus, who was his equipment, he said, just put these cleeg lights, they're red, you know, in for, like, whatever red spectrum, they won't, they won't notice it, and you can film them, and I was like, all right,

and went out there, and nothing out there. There wasn't a peep. There wasn't no animals there that night, like no rats, no raccoons, no deer, and it's usually a bunch of stuff going on out there, because it's borders of the park, so there's usually a lot of wildlife and not a thing. But five nights later, I came back with John and another long guy, and then this guy, Manny, who was my field partner for a while.

You've been to heard of Manny. He was the guy that passed away a few years ago. It must have been about seven years ago. Now, he was, the guy was spending a whole year out in the Oregon wilderness looking for Bigfoot. He never came to town, but he ended up dying out there in the winter. I don't think I've heard of him, no. Oh, yeah, he was Man of the Assassinino. He was classic, cool guy, but anyways, he was there,

and I left the night vision down at my house in town, and I'd called my buddy, and he was going surfing up north of Klamath, so I said, hey, just come by, you know, just hang out with it. You know, we're just from squatching. You know, and he said, cool, and he came up and brought the night vision up for me, and we were parked in this clear cut of about five miles north of where I had the kind of, we were parked at the clear cut. It was basically where I thought the sound originated from.

And sure enough, we had the things show up and it was, came into the edge of the tree line. We watched it for a while. And then, you know, David Paulides is the missing 401 guy. Yeah, yeah. He wrote that book, The Hoopa Project, about his first book about Bigfoot on the Indian Reservations with all those sketches, drawings. Yeah. So there's a foot trail from Hoopa that goes over the mountain

because they're in the valley, like about, I don't know, 15 miles inland from the coast or something, 12 miles of the crow flies, or anything, something like that. There's an old footpath that goes from Hoopa Valley over to the coast where they trade with the Urochs, the coastal Urochs, and you can't cut those trees along the path because it's historical. It's like a riparian. Basically they treat it like a class one riparian.

and you can't cut within 25 feet of the trail. And so this is where the thing was popping out. It was popping out into the moonlight a little bit where the old trail was, where it came up and through the clear cut. My buddy and I passed the scope back for like 20, 25 minutes to just watch this giant, huge up, right? We couldn't see any detail. You know, the scope was pretty low quality, but it was just enough to see it wasn't

a bare, you know, square, brick-shaped, you know, broad, broad, broad shoulders, coconut head, real thick. We were guessing four foot across the shoulders and three foot from the front of the chest, the back of the chest, something like that. And yeah, that was my first sightings. I had my first encounter, then five nights later, my first sighting. Yeah, that's insane, man. What do you make of, I want to ask you about the Minespeak thing?

Because for the longest time, I was the biggest skeptic of that. And I remember I had less drought on, you know, Survivor Man on my episode 500. and I was taken aback when he was talking about Mindspeak, and I was really shocked by it when he was telling me about his encounters. I believe him. I've never experienced that, but I believe what he says happened happened. He has nothing to gain by talking about Mindspeak. And I've had other... You have everything to lose.

Yeah, it has everything to lose. And I've had other eyewitnesses on, and I find that sort of thing tends to happen more or less on people's properties, as opposed to like a hunter who, stumbles across the Sasquatch in the woods. He's generally not going to tell you anything about mindspeaker, lights, or anything like that. It's generally on people's properties. But when you heard that, was it your voice? Was it someone else's voice that said, if you take a picture of me, I'm going to kill you? It was a loud, angry, clear voice in my head.

I didn't hear, like, outside. I knew it wasn't like an external audio. It was, I knew it was inside my brain and whatever. But like I said, I talked to those Princeton scientists, and they were telling me, well, there's pharmones can have that same effect and cause all kinds of basically like, and like basically kind of mild hallucinations. It can cause audio hallucination or you might see things differently. So, I mean, there could be a biological explanation for it where it's, you know, just pheromone base, but it sure seems like a direct message from like, like I stump, like one of my proud moments. I stumped melderm, I said, Jeff, you're a religious guy, right? And he said, yeah, of course.

And I said, so do you pray or you just wasting your time? He goes, no, I pray. And he goes, so you think you can pray? Do you have to talk out loud for God to hear you? And he goes, no, you can. I said, well, then that means we have the ability to, maybe Bigfoot has the same kind of pickup sensor, you know what I mean, to pick up unspoken messages.

You know, if we have to, and people say they get messages from God, you know, and they, that's all, that's all basically ESP, you know, prayer. If you're doing it non-verbally and you're still communicating, that's basically what it is. I said, you know, if our brains are set up to send and receive non-spoken messages, then maybe they're just tapping into that wavelength. Hard to argue with you on that, but then that goes back. Let me ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is? and I know you listen to the show, but I always tell people there's no wrong answer because no one has one in their garages setting.

But what do you think that these things are? What's kind of your opinion? I totally disagree. There is a wrong and right answer. We just have no idea what it is. But I'm a total fence sitter too, man. I'm like, I hang out with Cliff and Meldrum and like Matt Pruitt. You know, you talk to them guys and it's like, oh, my God.

You sound like a, you sound like a, 15th century, you know, non-science guy to say, well, I think they're, I think they're a basic hominid, you know, they're in the hominin line. I mean, I think they're, you know, in the Homo branch, whether they're Osherapithecus, some type. I think, I think that's what, I think that's what they are. I don't think they're like, you know, a paranormal, non, I think there's, I think they'll eventually pop up in the DNA by a lot and, you know, archaeological record at some point, or if they haven't already. And there could just be weird.

I mean, it could just be like a vibrational thing. I mean, who knows? I mean, you get into that whole parallel universe, like all the natives that they walk in both worlds, physical world and the spirit world. And which would account for a lot. I mean, if you go with that, if you go with that, you can sum up basically all the Bigfoot phenomenon.

You can explain that way pretty easily. But if you just go with it and like, well, it's just an ape or like a relic hominid, then you get into the whole thing about, well, then how can we don't have more evidence? You know, like, why isn't there, there should be some kind of, I mean, you've had stories on your show about people getting by. We've talked to people that have definitely that I believe that have shot and killed them and come up and looked at them, you know, and freaked out and left it or whatever they did with it, you know, or didn't do it with it, just left it there.

but it just you think we'd have more more solid evidence you know more physical evidence and photographic for that matter especially photographic evidence if they were just a regular speed like you know a wood ape you know you think they'd show up more yeah well let me ask you a couple questions what do you make of um i know you'd mention a wood ape and everything like that you know one of the things a lot of

bigfoot researchers say which is a argument that they make. I understand why they make it, but when they say, why don't we have more bodies, and we should have found a body by now. And the answer you're going to get from every Bigfoot researcher on the planet, I can tell you word for word what they're going to say is, well, how many times you find a bear around the woods? And I'm with you on that argument to a certain point. And when you get down to like Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, you're out there in California, Bobo, you know when you start to get down Southern California, not a lot of woods to run around in, but you guys got the Zubis, you got all kinds of weird accounts down there. And my point is,

that makes no sense then. I understand the forest eats a body, for example. You know, you shoot a deer, you come back a week later. You're probably right. It's probably not going to be there in the Pacific Northwest. But what about Arizona? What about Nevada? What about Nevada? What about New Jersey? What about New York? Mexico. So when you start, do you pass those encounters off? Or what do you make of them being in those type of climates? You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. They're in those climates a lot more than people realize. I just got a video a couple of weeks ago from a Border Patrol agent that had taken a few years back of an eight, nine footer. I mean, it's not nothing great. But, I mean, I know they're out there. I was really surprised to find out where they'll go.

But when you look back in a lot of those settings and those areas, it seems especially odd. A lot of them are like in a specific time frame. When you go back and look at the meteorological records or talk to locals about what was going on at that time, there might have been like an excessive amount of rainfall in places that were normally dry or wet for, you know, several months and all kinds of plants bloomed and this and that. And then other animals, not just bigfoot's, but other animals are seen in these areas where they're not normally seen. That accounts for some of it. And then other parts of it is that I think they're just highly adaptable. And they, I mean, I know they're still in East San Diego.

I've been down there. I've talked to the tribes and there actually was real close to getting to go into this cave where they know they lived. And they're still there like, that's where Moneymaker does his stuff now is down in northern San Diego, northeast San Diego. and I've talked to a really good eyewitnesses down there, so I know they're there. I think they're just highly adaptable. I mean, they'd rather be in the, I think they'd rather be in the thick forest, but they don't need a whole lot of cover to operate, you know, and there's more food in a lot of those places than people will realize.

So it doesn't, I mean, it shocked me at first, but I've heard so many stories from these seemingly odd locations. Yeah, I mean, I believe people when they tell me that, that they seem out in those places for the most part. Can I ask you, have you ever seen the lights? Yeah. My first encounter with the lights was we're up to these Indian burial grounds up past Bluff Creek. I was a cliff and yams and Bob Strain.

Bob's part of the WoodA of Conservancy Outman. He's part of the Area X project. Whatever area X project. This was, I think it was in 2007, I think. Anyways, we were out there, and Cliff and I were out there first for a week by ourselves. We had some good action, like, a lot of knocks and some, we had a scream right on the edge of our camp, like, right on the edge, I mean, like 50 feet away when we went to bed one night. It was right when the audio, it was a little mini-cd recorder, whatever, or mini-cd recorder, whatever, or mini, those mini-recours had like a 74-minute mini-disc you put in there to record. Oh, yeah, the little tiny ones.

Yeah, so we had that out. And so as soon as that thing clicked off, the thing screamed. like right seconds after it turned off it screamed full blast at us and then the next day well then a couple nights later we're sitting there and we started hearing like something breaking branches like it sounded like a big squash coming through the woods kind of towards our camp and I was like no way and there's a lot of bushes around there and I could just barely see over the bushes and Cliff was too short but I started seeing this blue light coming out of the woods and I'm like what what is that and then I see like it was and Cliff has the audio actually, but no video, but the audio of me talking, and we were talking together and me

describing what I'm saying. I'm like, what is that a plane? Is that a, what is that? And then I see the ball of light and it's way too big to be a plane or anything like that. I'm like, but I'm looking through the trees, but it should be not a sky backdrop, but I should be looking at the mountain, like not, like the mountain goes up right there, like, you know, just 100 yards away. I shouldn't be seen. Like, you know, your brain can't process a lot of of times things that are happening like that. Like you're trying to figure out what you know already.

Then I see this blue ball light. And I see it pass in front of a tree. Like it was real soft light. Like it wasn't like lighting up like a big area. Like it had to be within within I'd say three to five feet of a tree for it to light the tree out. Something like that.

And I just watched it. The trees where it was floating was, you know, cracking and branches breaking. But all I can she was a blue ball light. Yeah, that's bizarre. That's really bizarre.

What do you make of the lights, Bobo? What was kind of your opinion? Because, you know, a lot of eyewitnesses, it's odd to me. It's what Dr. Brenner-Noggle would call strange coincidences when I'm not saying Sasquatchewatchewatchen lights are directly related, but it sure seems weird. It's a weird coincidence, as he would put it, that they're around. What do you think that the lights are? Well, um, the day.

The day after that, we had that setting. There was this famous old native guy, medicine man named Charlie Tom from the Karut tribe. They call him the last Wild Indian. He was born back in like the, I think it was the late 20s. And he was out where you turn up the go road that goes up to Bluff Creek. There's a town of Orleans at the base of the hill. And it was a big mining, it was a big mining center for that area back then. and his mom, and I guess his dad was killed and his mom was attacked,

like raped or something by the miners. And his great grandpa and grandma took him and ran up in where the graveyards were. Like there were no roads at that point because they didn't even put the, they didn't even get halfway up there until 58 when they put in the road with Jerry Crew and all that when they found the first big foot tracks they cast. So, I mean, it was way out there. I mean, and there was no roads out there back then. So he led out there until he was 12 before his, I think his grandparents or whatever, dies.

He came into town finally. But he'd grown up to Stone Age, and he had the strongest medicine of anyone. He had, when he was five or six years, really gathered his first Bigfoot hairs. He watched a huge, he said the biggest one he ever saw, scratching his back on a pine tree and then walk away. And he went up and gathered some of the hairs. And he used that. That's where he got his medicine from. And over the years, he collected from Bigfoot Ness, other Bigfoot hairs.

and he watered him up in a big ball and that's where he got his power but when they, you know how much you know about the Native American stuff, but they put in that huge on the mall in Washington, D.C. The biggest building is the Native American Museum back there.

When they, when they dedicated it back in 2004, it's the biggest, it's the biggest building on the mall back there. And when they did it, they had like all, whatever, 5004 recognized tribes in North America, whatever, they had a medicine man, and like a chief or whatever, you know, representative for each tribe.

And then the medicine, they divided the tribes up in the north, southeast, west. And each section elected their own, the medicine men in that section all elected one, you know, basically. So they were like all priests voting, you know, for, they'd have a bishop or card and whatever represent them. And then so those four directional leaders came together. And then those four decided who was going to be the head guy for doing the incontinent. incantations and all that. Those other four agreed on Triton. So out of all the Native American medicine men,

they agreed Charlie Tom was the guy that was to be the guy. So, I mean, he is the man, you know, when it comes to that traditional Native stuff. And so we ran into him the next day. I'm like, hey, what's up, Troy Tom? And he's like, hey, what's going on? And he's classic. He was trying to be a stand-up.

He was like 85 years old this time. He's trying to be a stand-up comedian. He's just a classic dude. And so we start talking to him and Bob and Strain and Yam show up. And we're BS and with him, you know, and he sang us the traditional Bigfoot song. And Bob's actually got a recording of it. We're going to play it on our show here coming up pretty soon. Anyways, he did his call.

Then we said, he was talking about calling in Bigfoot. We said, well, can you call him in? So he sang that song. We said, well, you know, can you call for him? So he yelled out, my animal friends come, you know, he called out to him. I mean, this is all you, I got multiple witnesses. He did that. This red-tailed hawks start screaming up above us,

flies down and lands on the branch as close as you could get to Charlie Tom's head and just looks at Charit Tom and squawks a couple of times. Then a rabbit hops out from the brush and hops right up to Charlie Tom. Another rabbit comes out and goes right up to Charlie Tom. Then a little finch flies down, lands on his shoulder. And all of a sudden we started, we're like going, no way, this all happened in like less than five minutes. like two, three minutes.

And then we started hearing heavy walking sound coming down towards us. And it's deer season. Like, you know, it's hunters. And we're in a hunting camp really is. Hunters utilize this spot fairly often. And we're all looking at each other going, oh, my God, there's a big foot coming down the hill at us, right? Because you're just coming down the hill right towards us in broad daylight,

like it's 10 in the morning. And we're all looking at each other. Then it was a little herd of deer. And they come out across the creek and stand and just stand at a church on. He's petting him. He's talking. to the hawk, the deer, the rabbits, the finch. You know, and he's just jabbering away.

Like, it's totally normal. We're like, we're just all blown away. And he starts on the story. He goes, yeah, my second wife, she's a white woman. She used to laugh about Bigfoot, make fun of me. So I brought her right here to this very camp, and she stood right there on the creek. And I told her to stand and I'd call it Bigfoot. He travels up the creek.

So I said, all right, you know, it's like Boggy Creek. They always follow the creek. So he said he took his second wife out there and she was standing there and she was going, where is you? I don't see him. I don't see him. He goes, well, bigfoot came up the creek, snuck up behind her and then shoved her right in the water. I said, I was like, what?

What did she think? Like, why didn't she like realized it was Bigfoot? You know, and he said, because when they traveled like that, they traveled like a big blue ball light. And he said that, like the very next after I had that setting the night before. That's kind of interesting that he said that. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of my woo things.

I mean, I know a lot of people poo-poo the woo, but it's just my experience. Yeah, no, I hear you. And I appreciate sharing it very much, Bobo. And, you know, honestly, there was a long time where I would poo-poo the woo too. I mean, I was a really hard-ass when it came to people who,

you know, I used to call them flute players. They go out and play their flute. And I changed my opinion on that, because you start to realize, one, you're kind of an arrogant dick with that attitude. And I'm talking about myself, having that attitude, you know, for a guy that's seen a 900-pound monkey running around the woods, I sure am judgmental when it comes to something else, someone else saw. So I kind of changed my tone on that.

But what you find, you find a very consistent, people are very consistent on what they saw. And it goes, I was going to ask you about some of the other cryptids in your opinions on him. you know, like this dogman or what people call the rake or what they used to call the ghoul out running around. I've had people run into these things and they're very, very consistent on what they saw. Like dogman, for example. I used to argue with people all day long about you must have seen a primate like a baboon or, you know, and after about the hundredth person to tell you they ran into a dogman where it was cany, and they can't explain what they saw, you know, as far as what it was,

but they can tell you it was very canine in the head and more manlike in the body. You kind of start to walk away and scratch your head and go, I don't know what people are seeing. I'm kind of at a loss. What's your opinion of like the dog man or the rake or some of these other weird cryptids that people see? I think people really are seeing them. I think people really are experiencing them. But I don't think they're in the same category as a saskatch.

I think Sasquatch is in the fossil record. I think it's a normal, evolved animal, whatever, primate. And then now you start talking about Dog Man and these other things. I think you're talking about totally paranormal. Like they're not just like a regular type of flesh and blood in this realm 365 days, seven days a week, 24 hours dead. I don't think they're like in that physical form like that at all times. And I think people are genuinely, I'm like you, dude. I told everyone like, you just saw Bigfoot and you didn't see a werewolf like your nuts.

But I heard it so many times. And I know when I was working on mysterious encounters a little bit, that was the show that Doug had before Monster Class. Matt with Matt and Autumn Williams were host. Matt Moneymaker and Olive Williams were the hosts on that show. I was a little behind the scenes work for him. And I didn't go to them there, but when they went to the Midwest, they were getting like 10, 15 to 1 in the upper Midwest. Dogman reports, the Bigfoot reports.

And we were just going like, guys, what the, these people are nuts, man. Like, why are they saying? They didn't call them dogmen. They called them werewolves. Then it's weird. Like Dogman just all of a sudden, the nomenclature just switched. And you don't even hear werewolf hardly anymore. So it's just Dogman.

But no one was calling a dogman. The first time I heard dogman was only in Minnesota, the Minnesota Dogman. And then I started hearing about them from other places too, like all over. And I really got into the dog man thing the last couple of years. And Cliff and I have an agent, and he does Meldrum and Lauren Coleman all those, you know, wild blackburn all those guys. And he's, I mean, we all trust him like we love to handle our money and that kind of stuff.

So, I mean, we have faith in the guy. He saw one point blank right in front of his car when he was 18 years old walk right in the high beams, 50 feet away. And, you know, he was the first guy that I knew real well. that I trusted for sure what he said, who told me that. And that just sealed that point. I mean, I believed you what they were saying. But when I heard it from him, I was just like, okay, I have no doubts anymore. This is what they are seeing, this other thing.

And it could be what do they call it, a trope where it's kind of a group consciousness collective, like kind of generated. If it wasn't there before, just everyone believing in it will cause it to be seen, you know, that phenomenon. Yeah, I know what you mean. It could be that like the slender man, you know. how the Sunder Man, it actually got these girls to kill another girl, you know, so it kind of became real in that sense.

But yeah, I'm definitely fascinated by it. And I think, well, then there's like, I think Sea Serpent Lake Monsters outholding. I think that's just totally normal, normal animal that just hasn't been caught yet. I think it's just some kind of giant eel, probably, something like that. I think that's another cryptic that's just a standard animal with the, but, and, uh, what is it, Mbele, Mbouke, Mbele, Mbele and Boke, whatever. God, I forget the African one, the creature that lives in the rivers. I know what you mean, yeah.

I think that's real, just from talking about Adam Davies and John Kirk, I think those guys are on the ball. They're convinced it's real, so I think that's real. So I think that's real. But when you start getting like Rakes and Dogman and this and that, it's pretty mind-blank. I listen to one of, I don't think it was, I don't even think it was dog-man encounters, maybe it was,

But one of the dogman shows I was listening to you. And they have this guy on, he's a great, he's a great guest. He's like half Mexican. He speaks to Spanish. So he gets all the Mexican immigrants reports from down in Texas area. And the rancher was like white guys reports. So he's dialed into like both communities real deep. And he was telling the story about being at this abandoned church.

And they were when he was a kid or he was interviewing. He talked to a guy that was there. This guy was like 12 years old as sister and boyfriend. There were 18, took him to this abandoned church, and they were in there, like, looking around. And all of a sudden he was looking out the windows, he heard something, and saw a dog man had pop up out of a well, like the old classic wishing well. You know, like a little stone wall around it. Yeah. And he saw it, and then the dog man climb out and jump out and go into the brush.

And two more came up in the next couple of minutes, two more came out, you know, pop, poked their heads out, looked around and jumped in the brush. And, you know, they stalked them in the church, you know, for a couple hours. so they finally got away. They ran to their car and drove away. But hearing that, that really freaked me out here. And, like, you know, seeing them come out of a well like that, like at a church. Yeah, it's bizarre. You find them in, show up in weird areas. I tend to agree with you. I think that they are more of a spiritual side, but I think there's something weird about it that they can be very physical. I mean, I have a cop shoot at them and swear that they've hit them. And it seemed to have no effect on the dog man. But it is bizarre.

I mean, they show up in graveyards. They show up in weird places you wouldn't think that they would. And one thing you'll hear a lot of people say is that they're evil. Or they get a sense that what they're seeing is evil, which I wouldn't normally, I don't know that I'm 100% on board with your theory about Sasquatch, but that's okay. That's the beauty of this whole genre. But in the same breath, you don't hear a lot of witnesses say,

I ran into Sasquatch and it was evil. You rarely, I mean, you do hear that from time to time, but it seems like with the dog man, 99% of the time people are going to say what I saw was evil. There was something very different. It was, it's a very different type of experience when they, not that you won't have fear with the Sasquatch, that's not what I'm saying, but people will just see a dog man and immediately they're terrified of it. You know, they want nothing to do with it.

So there has to be some weird component to it being more on the spiritual side. I would imagine. I don't know. Yeah. And then you get in, I got some good friends down the Navajo Reservation. And a couple times

I've gotten together with these guys and their law enforcement and they have the Navajo Rangers who are kind of like Forest Rangers slash cops. Oh yeah. They actually have more,

they have the same authority as the FBI. Right. Yeah. So I was at lunch with about half dozen of those guys and then a couple of Navajo

homicide guys. Anyways, we were talking story and they were telling me one guy twice had gone out on calls where someone reported shooting a huge wolf kind of creature, like giant

and shot it and, you know, let just took off out of the air jumping their truck and took off whatever. And they said twice they've gone out there and found guys that were skin walkers, naked guys. The guy said, I shot it three times right in the chest. and once in the face,

and they'll find, like, a guy shot with the wounds matching with the person reported shooting a giant wolf. I don't know if that was a dog man or what, but they just said, yeah, they just figured it was a Skinwalker that was in form, and then it got shot and the guy died. They just, they never pressed charges. They never, you know, they just never, they wouldn't even associate the person who told them with the report with what happened.

Like, they wouldn't even try to, like, prosecute the guy or whatever. They just took it as a fact that this guy was in the shape of a, a dog man or a giant wolf or whatever you want to call it. So I think that could account for some of it, maybe a little bit, like, especially not part of the country, but I'm not sure. Yeah, it's really strange. I know we're kind of getting down to the end of the show. I actually had a really important question.

Give me one second here. I had it written down. So Boba, here's my very important question. Matt Moneymaker, Cliff, and Renee are all drowning. And you can only save one. Which one do you save? That's a tough one. You're going to deal like that deal of all about a day.

Shut up. I heard a response and he stepped on it. I guess I got to see him of a man Cliff. Yeah, you got to save Cliff. Otherwise, there's no podcast, right? That's exactly it. You got it. I'm just teasing you, man.

If you were on Finding Bigfoot, what is the one thing that you love the most about doing the show and what is the one thing that you hated the most? The one thing that was the most pain in the ass for you doing Finding Bigfoot, and it could be anything, really. The favorite part, I guess, well, you know you're getting paid to travel first class

going to the most beautiful places around the world was awesome. And then a big bonus for all of us we love so much was our crew was just, we were like a fan, they were hilarious, they were great, you know, fun people, solid people. getting to be friends with the crew, like family with the crew on the road. And then also just meeting all these witnesses and great locations and learning a lot about,

I learned a lot about Bigfoot behavior doing the show. And it was a good learning experience. And then the bad parts, I mean, being in a, you know, Cliff, Matt, Renee and I were in the same vehicle together for like seven, eight years, like every day, all day. when we're shooting. So that would get kind of old, you know, just being in the same car day after day. And then filming the show itself sucks. I mean, if we were just getting paid to go out

and try to get Bigfoot footage, it would have been awesome. But the reality was they weren't paying us to find Bigfoot. They were paying us to sell ads on a television show. We were constantly at odds with the production over. We were trying to find, we were actually trying to film a Bigfoot, and they were trying to film us from a Bigfoot. And especially when we had like crew that didn't believe in,

Bigfoot's were even real. I thought it was just a waste of time so they didn't see the benefit doing anything we wanted to do. That was super aggravating because if we would have went into it knowing that was the deal, it was one thing when they told us the concept of the show

was, oh, we'll stay on the way we're just going to follow you guys doing what you guys do. So they, so that didn't happen. So it started off on the wrong foot and that was the drawback. of it, but we might actually be firing back up. They're in pretty serious negotiations

about bringing us back on right now because everyone's Jones and for Bigfoot, you know, content. So, yeah, we might be back soon enough. And this time we'd know going into it, this is the deal. You know, it's a cookie cutter format. You know, it's got us limitations, but we'll do what we can. We'll do our, we'll work in those

constraints trying to get the footage we're trying to get while they get the footage they need to get for their show. So they're going to be a lot of, less of a the bad parts the worst parts about doing the show would be wouldn't have the false expectations going up this time so it'd be

a lot more I think enjoyable was there ever a moment where the cameras weren't rolling where something bizarre happened and I had one walk out to me a small one like it was smaller than me walk out to me kind of in the dark playing chicken

trying to like keep walking we were going to collide with each other one night after filming in Ohio that was a that was pretty that was a trip for sure it was just a silhouette i never saw like any details on it but it just disappeared so fast it was incredible the speed of the thing took off and just literally disappeared was amazing and then um what else oh the um the base camp or the production crew was they had more action than we did half the time they'd be back in camp you know waiting first to come back and getting our food ready or they just kind of sat around and watch

movies or whatever they did. And they'd get rocks thrown out of them and this and that. But when we were filming in Kentucky, when we had the crying doll, baby, we were doing that episode. They were all back at camp. And we heard it from two miles away. There was a 400-something herd of cows

in this pasture metro area. And this giant, bigfoot, huge monster male one, walked in the middle of the cows and screamed and roared and stampeded them. And we heard it from two miles away. Two of the producers ran out in the field and they had thermal imagers, but they weren't recording. They were their old style that they had to have the DVR hook up to them.

And we had those out in the field, so they just had the extra units back at the camp that didn't record. But two of the producers, you know, ran out to the edge of the camp and looked in the meadow and saw this thing, just towering over the cows, you know, and you know how big dairy cattle are. I mean, they're big fat cows. and this thing dwarfed them just, not just in heights, but girth. Like they said it had to weigh, you know,

judging by the cows, this thing had to weigh a ton or more. And it just, it was walking real fast and it, the cows were just in a, just total bedlam, just just in total fear of stampeding, you know? Because you don't get,

you don't get dairy cattle stampeding all that much. These things were just stampeding. And they saw the thing, and they flipped out and they called us back. And we missed it, but, So there's definitely stuff happened off camera for sure.

Did you guys ever see lights when you're out there doing your investigations? One of the season one, Tyler, Tyler Bounds was the solo camping guy that would go with us and film us for the first like six, seven seasons.

And him and I were in Minnesota. And it was the very first solo camp thing we did. So I told him, I said, man, I just told him, I'm doing this. Like, I don't care what we do. Like we're not, so we worked in the solo camping thing and so I was out there and we didn't have a car or anything. We were just stuck out

in the woods and we were walking back one night from getting water and we were filming you know trying to see I had the therm out and we watched these two orbs come down and it was above the power lines. People say oh it's just an electrical phenomena and it um they came down the they came down the lines then veered towards us and then shot down to this berry thicket like real thorny um some kind of blackberry or whatever. And when we walked by there, there's like a low growl came out. And then when we were

filming on the show with a full, Renee and I were in Oregon up at Chilliquin in Southeast Oregon with the Klamath Tribe. The whole crew is with us and we're walking. We thought it was headlights or headlamps coming down the mountain towards us. And they came real, they got within 70 feet of us. There's these two white orbs just kind of floating along, walking speed. And we watched for quite a while. They did not show up on the cameras. They didn't show up on our little handheld. They didn't show up on the therms

and they didn't show up on the TV cameras either. Yeah, that was, we had other weird, like electrical, like a brand new vehicle, the lead vehicle of our convoy going into that spot that night. The engine just died. And they just told us that kind of thing happens. Like, engines will die and that sort of stuff. And we had other electrical mishaps that,

and that was common too. You talk about the paranormal stuff of Sasquatch stuff. The batteries, you know, the whole battery issue, like batteries draining real quick. That's where we encounter. Some of that could have just been bad old batteries and stuff. But like, I don't know, when we were in Pennsylvania, we set up all these game cameras. They didn't go into it on the show, which I thought was kind of lame. We had eight game cameras around this big, we jumped out, we dumped out like five gallons of pig blood,

and then a bunch of butcher pig parts and all that stuff up on this rock where people, the focus of these Bigfoot reports were we had brand new, we put out brand new batteries and all the cameras, set them up, came back, all eight of them were dead and didn't get a single photo. And all this stuff was gone. Yeah,

don't you find that odd? I mean, you can pass off one camera failing. You can pass off two cameras failing. You can pass off three, maybe four. But once you start to get to all eight, it seems weird,

doesn't it? I mean, don't you think it's like a weird, weird coincidence that go, like the lights. The lights are very bizarre. And you'll find them on a lot of people's properties. When people have these creatures on their properties, the one question I'll ask all the time is, have you seen the lights? And I can tell you, I think I've only had one person tell me no. In that whole, all the times I've talked to people, and I'm talking thousands of eyewitnesses. I think I've only had one person tell me no.

And it's just, it's weird. same thing with the batteries it's weird it's a weird thing that goes on with these things um and i think that's kind of why it's important to look at other genres too as well uh bobo you know like ghosts UFOs what you'll find is you'll start to find a lot of weird coincidences across the board with all of this stuff i don't know what to make of it it's hard to come up with an answer for people on certain things because i don't know i don't know what the lights are yeah it's weird that you're seeing them. And it is, I've seen what you've seen, but what's very similar, uh, where they're coming down a mountain and it looks like someone's holding a flashlight or like a lantern or something

like that until you get within range and you realize that's not what that is. It's something else. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Just real quick, I was with a Wally that got it funded the BFO for a long time and Moneymaker and Cliff and Cindy Dosen. She's the woman in British Columbia that does the hair analysis, the microscopic study stuff. Yeah. So I went out with her. We heard some stuff out from camp.

So her and I walked about a quarter mile out in the woodline. Started getting some knocks around us and heard like a whoop or two. And we're on Vancouver Island. Probably about, this was probably it was about 2008, 2009, somewhere around there maybe. And we were out there and we were out there. Cliff, get out here.

Bring the audio recorder. They're out here. They're out here. Come out here. So he's like, let me get myself to go out of you right out. through Washington and we're like God what's he doing? Because we can see his headlamp around the camp going around the fire and then we saw it climb up on top of

Wallie's van. We're like, let's Cliff. Then we saw him go underneath like, like underneath the van it looked like. We're like, what's you getting? And so then we see that, you know, the headlamps leave camp and it starts going down the trail and then it took the wrong turn. We had taken earlier where he ended up in the middle

of a thicket of thorns and we said, I got on the radio, I said, Clifford, don't turn there. You're going the wrong way, man. And he goes, I'm still in camp. We're like, why? And we just watched, it was just this, you know, just this orb with like a headlamp float down the trail. And it went off into the thicket and kind of sat there for a minute or two. And then it just went through the thicket and disappeared.

Yeah, it's bizarre stuff, man. I always say you can run in more than just Bigfoot out there. But I really appreciate you coming on, Bobo, and sharing all of your experiences. It was a real pleasure talking to you. I wasn't all of them. Yeah. Well, I'll have to have you back for a part two. I love your guys' podcast. One thing, and for the audience, if you're a fan of Sasquatch Chronicles, whatever podcast player you listen to, go check out Bigfoot and Beyond. It's a big orange icon with Cliff and Bobo. And one thing I really liked, I heard you guys say this the other day, because I usually give Bigfoot researchers a really hard time, just the arrogant ones, which is a large number of them. But one thing I always give them a hard time about is,

you know, they always tend to act like they're saving the world and the Jane Goodalls and they talk about their research like the Jane Goodalls. And I think it was you or Cliff. I heard you guys talking about it. And Cliff goes, it's basically camping and hiking. And we're kind of looking for Bigfoot at the same time. And I thought, you know what? These guys are good guys.

I mean, because they're telling the truth. That's exactly what they're doing. Totally. You know, camping with a mission. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I enjoy the podcast. It's nice to even though you don't get to really get to know you guys.

You feel like you get to know you guys after listening to the podcast. So I enjoy it. And I enjoyed having you on, Bobo. I'd love to have you back, ma'am. Oh, yeah. If you ever need someone to some, you know, witness falls soon. You need someone last minute. Just call me up.

Thanks, Bobo. I really appreciate it. And thank you again for coming on, ma'am. Yeah, thank you, West. Yeah, you're the best, man. You've been an inspirationist. We learned a lot from this and the year's show. Basically, I told you, the main thing I learned was shut up and let the witness talk.

Thanks, brother. I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, cool, man. Thanks for having you. If you ever need anything, let me know. And that's it for tonight, everyone, remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows.

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