Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:638 Caesar From Planet Of The Apes

Episode Date: March 22, 2020

A listener writes "I am originally from Miami, Florida. I lived with my grandparents in Clewiston, Florida which is right by lake Okeechobee. They lived in an unincorporated community called pioneer which is about 23 miles from Clewiston. And about 80 miles from Big Cypress preserve. A very rural part of the country indeed. I was about 10 at the time the encounter. It occurred during the summer time. So bearing this in mind many of the canals in the area were low of water. My grandparents owned a couple of acres of land, so they were far apart from neighbors. I loved being outside trying to find different animals and trying to catch black racers, rat snakes, and different turtles in the area. The surrounding area around the property were full of palmettos which were towered by evergreen trees. I would like the fence in the back of the property to go catch reptiles. I walked a half a mile deep in the woods and hit a small dry creek bed, which is where I found different animals from time to time. The creek extended to about a mile which fed into a canal. As I was looking for reptiles heard the brush move from across the creek bed. I was used to rustling in the wood, so I didn't pay attention until I saw something step out from the brush out of the corner of my eye. What I am about to tell you still haunts me to this very day. What stepped out was 7 ft tall ape looking thing. Its fur was a deep reddish brown. It was almost boxy in shape with legs longer than its body. It almost seemed designed to live in the swamp. I just froze. I knew it would not be wise to run through this brush. So I did something that learned from years of watching nature documentaries. I crouched down and pretended I was eating leaves. I remember seeing a documentary about Diane Fosse, and I recalled she would do this as to not provoke the silverback. I was too scared to do anything else, and whatever I was doing was keeping me alive. Every so often I would glance up at it, and it was just standing there tensely examining me. It would also look back and forth almost over me almost to assure I was alone all the while making a huffing sound. The only thing separating us was a dry creek bed. Which may have been 15 ft of space. It was doing this for about 3 minutes, but it felt an eternity. Then that's when it went down on its haunches and squatted. I felt the courage to raise my head and look at it. We were just examining each other. At this time I noticed it was female due to the breasts. I also noticed at the time that she wasn't alone. I saw small arm draped over her shoulder. We just kept looking at each other for about another 5 minutes. The whole time my body was telling me to run. Like some primordial instinct saying danger, but my mind remained extremely calm. At the same time I was expecting to smell a stench, but none ever came. I only thought this because I have heard what a skunk ape was and heard the stench they exude, but she wasn't smelly. After five minutes she reached behind her never taking her eyes off me the whole time and held her baby. It was looking at me with intent. Examining me like its mother. It couldn't have been more than a month old. It was kind of small but bigger and more advanced than a human infant. She must have given birth to it last month. I felt as if she was teaching her baby what a human was, but at the time I think she may have been confused what I was considering my skin is dark brown like hers and I had long curly black hair. While she was holding her baby, I could notice scars on her face. I figured she was old. Never did she bare her teeth at all during this encounter. About 6 minutes later she stood up and turned her body, slung her baby on her back, and stared down the creek bed when I noticed a bigger one of these things was standing 50 feet away. He was staring directly at me with disgust. This one bared his teeth at me. He looked kind of like Caesar in rise of the planet of the apes only taller and more muscular. He may have been half a foot to a foot taller than her. I noticed the stench and she also began to reek of this smell. I can only describe it as hot garbage, and dead animals mixed into a vat. I later concluded maybe they only smelled when they're stressed, or angry. They both started to puff up. Meaning that they were trying to make themselves bigger than they were. The female then positioned herself between me and the male. As if to almost protecting me. Maybe it was all those motherly hormones in her that told her this. The standoff lasted for maybe at least two minutes. Then the male walked back in to the brush on the side where the female came out of. She then without looking back at me began to make her way back in the brush as well. I think she was making sure that male didn't follow me, I have no idea. I turned to leave very quickly and didn't turn back till I was back inside the house. I never went back in the woods ever again behind my grandparent's property. I tried telling my mom what happened, but my mom was more of a city woman, so she did not believe me. That really hurt me. I did however tell my grandma what I saw, and she simply said, "I believe you". I never knew if they had any encounters with them considering none of them ever came on the property."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were chumtering away back and forward, back and forwards, back and forward, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. What's in the way? Jesus Christ, you better. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That sort of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in it.

Hey, this is Boo Atkins from South Point, Ohio, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles with West Gummer. Sit back, relax, prop up your feet, and get in the groove with West's fresh beats. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you tonight. Going to be talking to Mark. And Mark is just across a bridge for me over there in Oregon.

He's originally from Florida, and he had probably one of the more fascinating accounts I've heard. It was an encounter when he was a small boy and he came across this female and a few other creatures. If you've had an encounter and he'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchpronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Mark to the show. Mark, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it a lot. Yeah, I appreciate you being here.

And I know you're in Portland. You're out there in Oregon, and lots been going on. How are you handling? I've been asking everyone that comes on the show how they've been handling the COVID-19 virus. How is it going with you? What are you seeing out there? Just a lack of eggs and meat in the stores and, of course, toilet paper. I haven't seen a Jermick's bottle in a couple months now, so a couple weeks rather.

So it's pretty bearing in the grocery stores right now. Yeah, it's insane. It's insane what's going out there. But it's nice to have you on the show. Thank you again for coming on. You had a very fascinating encounter out there in Florida. I remember reading your email, and I was like, man, I've got to get a hold of this guy. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning.

and kind of tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened if you would. Yeah, so this happened this summer when I was 10 years old. Originally, I'm from Miami, Florida, but sometimes during the summers I would be shipped off to my grandparents in Pioneer, Florida. It's about 23 miles away from Cluston, right at the corner border of Lake Okeechobee and 80 miles away from the Big Cypress Preserve, if you ever heard of that. So my grandparents are Seminole, and I'm from the Seminole Tribe of Florida, but they lived off the reservation in this area called Pioneer.

They owned a couple of acres, and the community is a very rural community. Your closest neighbor is probably separated by a lot, an acre, a couple acre lots. So basically there's a house and then there's a lot next door or two or three plots of land. So it's very spread out. You don't really have neighbors. You just might as well have, you know, people that live down the road from you. That being said, you know, very rural. The landscape is like palm meadows, which are basically I like to describe them as like small miniature palm trees in a shape of a bush.

and then there's a lot of evergreen pine needles around, a lot of pine floors. So I would go, my grandparents owned a farm out there. So the land was pretty clear cut. So I like getting into the back of the property. And I would walk or try to, you know, go through at least a mall in back of their property, which wasn't developed at all. and, you know, I would go back there and, you know, catch frogs, lizards, snakes. I was really into reptiles and amphibians back then when I was younger.

Still I'm now, but, you know, when you're a kid, it's, that's all you live for, especially when you live out in the country. There ain't much to do. I went out there one day and it was pretty quiet. You know, it was a pretty hot day. and we had a drought going on that year. So a lot of the creeks that ran back there leading up to the canals by my grandparents' house were pretty dried up. And sometimes you'd get lucky and catch a lot of nolies back there.

So that's why I would go back there. One day I was going back there trudging through, hiking through, what have you. And all of a sudden I'm sitting. this creep bed looking for lizards and there it was it was it was a an ape you know it was she was probably god at 10 years old i was like four foot something you know i didn't even hit a growth spurt by then um we were about 15 17 feet from each other so it was pretty close um She had a brownish, orangeish fur, and she had to be at least six, six and a half feet, seven feet tall. Very slender, but built, like almost like a track athlete, very wiry, not even bulky or anything.

I think, you know, because in the Florida environment, there might not be much food, so probably they don't get as big as the Pacific one. I don't know. And we were looking at each other. And I didn't even, it was like I was on another planet. You know what I mean? Like, did an ape just escaped a zoo or something? I knew it wasn't a chimp because it wasn't, first off, it was standing on two legs.

And second off, it wasn't black like, you know, how most chimpanzees are. And so we were standing it there. and, you know, I was an animal planet nut as a kid. So that's basically what all I watched. And I remember watching a special about Diane Fossy, you know that gorilla researcher. Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah.

So whenever she would interact with the gorilla, she would always crouch down and pretend to eat something to kind of calm them down with her presence in the air, if that makes sense. So I did that because I didn't, I felt like if I would have ran, something bad would have happened. So I just, you know, crouched down and pretending I was eating some like pine needles that were around. And I don't know who was more afraid, her or me. So we just kept looking at each other and looking at each other. And I want to say this encounter lasted. I don't know. It felt like time was slowing down because, you know, when you're really excited, time seems fast.

But it also time seems to bend when you're full of adrenaline like that, if that makes sense. So, you know, I'd glance up at her a little and she would look at me and I would look at her, but I tried not to make eye contact. And I noticed she was, she had something that she was reaching for behind her back. and I looked up and it was a little baby. So she put it in a crook of her arm and the, you could see the arm poking out, and then you can see two little eyeballs poking out from over the crook of the arm. And it might have been recently born or something.

It was the summertime, so it might have been born, you know, maybe in the springtime or I don't know. Who knows, you know? But, you know, the baby was, you know, just a miniaturized version of her with less fur was very light, light fur. Kind of like an orange, just blondeish fur. And then the female was the whole time just standing still. It didn't really move much because I was afraid if I moved, it would have been a bad reaction because, you know, I've watched. into a mother bear in her cubs before and now is a bad situation so I figured she might not have

as much patience as a bear or maybe even less you know um but the whole time you know I'm sitting here looking at her and you know trying to figure out what what she pretty much is and you know I remember these old stories my my grandmother would tell me about step Chukuo or tall man in our culture means a tall man. And basically, you know, they call it the skunk cape down here, but I didn't notice the smell. So, you know, as I got over there, I thought maybe that's a defense mechanism when they're stressed out or they're scared or they're angry. But we were just trying to remain calm, you know, and I,

I guess I want to say like 10 minutes past and then I hear some rustling through the palm me and about, I want to say, 15, 20 feet from the back to my side of me, there was another one that came out and he was a bit darker. I could tell he was a male because, you know, there was, you know, stuff that a male has on him. So he came out and he He was a little bit taller than her I want to say seven and a half feet tall Maybe eight is pushing it But he kind of looked like

Like Caesar from the new Planet of the Apes film Like I said again before Very wiry built Very solid looking animal She never showed her teeth to me But when I was looking at him, he started bearing his teeth at me. And I knew I was in trouble because, you know, as a kid, your mom tells you, you know, if a dog is showing their teeth at you, you need to step away from that dog or else you're going to get bit.

And, you know, I thought, oh, man, I'm done for it. Nobody's going to find me out here. My grandparents are going to find me and think like a Panther got me. or something. But yeah, he was bearing his teeth at me. It was kind of huffing and puffing. And this is the first time I heard

vocalization from any of them because the female didn't make any sound. She was very quiet and very cautious around me. But this male was almost sort of challenging me. And again, the whole time I'm crouched down looking at this male because, you know, I figured if I take my eyes off of him, he might do something that I can't react to. So it's better to look at him and, you know, try to get out of the way if he rushes me or something if I can. So the female goes back into the Palmetto's and kind of does

a, you know, a perimeter sweep around me to give me some space and then comes out and appears in front of me. and she sort of steps in between the male and me, and the male still like swaying back and forth, you know, swinging his arms, bearing his teeth at the female, rather me, basically. And huffing and puffing, you know, his hair was actually like standing up too, which was pretty interesting. I've seen that in chimps before when they're displaying like aggression too. But yeah, so when a male came out and the female came up in front of me, that was like a minute long because he was trying to figure out how he could get to me, I guess.

And when that didn't work out, he just went back into Palmetto's. And she kind of waited just to make sure, you know, he wasn't going to come back out. And maybe I want to say that was another minute went by. and that was pretty much it. She stepped back into the brush and I just ran home as fast as possible. As soon as I got home, my grandma was there,

I told her about it and she's like, you know, I believe you. And that's all she said. She never told me what it was. I mean, she told me what it was when she was telling me those stories, you know,

about our culture and our legends and stuff. But she never really, got into further detailed on, you know, if she ever saw him or my grandfather ever saw him, she just simply said, I believe you. And that was that, you know, and never really went back there after that. I don't blame you. I don't blame you. And, you know, it's fascinating when you hear all of these encounters, one thing that you'll find a lot is a female seem to be less aggressive. They seem to be less of wanting to

fight with you. Even if, I don't know if you've heard Claire's account, the 515, I put her in the intro of the show and she's a British lady talking, but one thing that if you really listen to her encounter, it's almost like the female

stepped in to stop the male from hurting her. Yeah. And there was some weird argument that they had in some weird language. And in your case, it kind of seems like the female was more relaxed than the male. The male almost seemed whining to fight. But, you know, your age might have had something to do with you still being here.

Yeah, I was a skinny kid, you know. I had black hair and I was, you know, a brown-skid kid. I'm brown-skinned. So maybe I was a little one or something. I don't know. Or it could have been, you know, she gave birth recently and her hormones are full of oxytocin. so she probably still has a motherly instinct to other animals too, you know? So, you know, I was pretty lucky back there.

And it could have gotten really hairy, really fast, if she wasn't there. Yeah, I wanted to ask you, what did the female look like? I know you gave a great illustration with the male looking like Caesar, and we've all seen Planet of the Apes, and we know what Caesar looks like. But what did the female look like? Yeah, so. You know, like I said, she was a slim. She didn't really had fur on her hands.

It was pretty much like an orange, just tanish skin, brownish skin. Her face was, you know, brownish. It wasn't really light skin at all or, you know, because we're out in the Florida sun, so, you know, skin turns into leather out there without some screen. Her face would, if you weren't looking at any of her, any of her body parts from the neck below, it almost had a feminine face, you know,

it looked like an upside down water droplet, if that makes sense. She had like a pointy jaw almost that was covered in fur. And, you know, her lips were very thin. Her eyes, you know, if I was closer enough to look at them, they almost look kind of greenish almost. It wasn't a brown color or anything. But her eyes were very almost like squinting, like examining me.

She never really opened her eyes, like if she, was surprised or anything. Would you say she looked more human in the face? Or more like a non-human primate? You could tell she was a primate. Like if you shaved off all her fur, you wouldn't want to be on a dating show with her, if that makes sense. But no, she didn't, as much as a human looks like a gorilla, if I can say that, you

know, it looked like an ape. I mean, apes and people have similar features, but you could tell it was a priming, you know. The eyebrow wasn't really pronounced. It was, she was very, how do I say this? She was very proportional in every sense of the way. It didn't look like her arms were too long. Her legs were longer than her arms. It was built naturally, if that makes sense. Yeah, that does. And the little one, how much of a look did you get at the little one? Was it on her back? Is that kind of the way you were describing it? Yeah, so it was on her back initially because her arms were down to her sides when we were both looking at each other initially. And then she reached over her arm and got the little one out from

over her back and she sort of, you know, carried him or her on the crook of her arm. So I don't know if he was, he or she was really small, but kind of looked like a baby orangutangangangang. I don't know if you've ever seen pictures of them, but they sort of look like a, you know, a miniature version of the adults, you know. Um, the eyes were big on the little ones. It almost like the eyes or the body grows into the eyes or something. And yeah, there wasn't much fur or hair on it. Just sort of kept poking its head over looking at me. It's almost trying to, I don't know if she was teaching the baby what a human is

or what a human does, you know, or trying to set an example like, oh, You need to be careful with these things. And I don't know. You know, could have been a teacher moment for both of us. I don't know. Yeah, why do you think that they didn't attack you? What's kind of your opinion on the whole thing? You know, that so perplexed me, perplexes me to this day because, you know, like I said,

my parents would always warn me about coming in between us. mother bear and her cub or even being around them you know you could get attacked just being around the mom um just because that protection instinct is so high in them uh i want to say like i said she probably was teaching him and i was no threat i was too small to be a threat so she was probably teaching a baby that this is what a human is and you need to be aware of that. The male came out. The male probably didn't know what was going on

and he sees a human, you know, crouched down. You know, that could have been a threatening position for him because a lot of animals crouch to attack. And then I guess she sort of stepped in between because she didn't see me as a threat. So she was trying to tell the other one, the male, at least, you know, hey, he's okay. you can get out of here, you know.

Did they ever vocalize, or was it mainly her body language getting in between you and the male? I saw the female do something with her hand, sort of like a pushing gesture out to the side, showing her palm up, but while she was doing it, she was still holding the baby. the baby wasn't like slung over her back at this time she was just it was almost as if you know if the male was going to attack she was saying you're going to have to hurt the baby before you know you come over here so it was almost like hey you got to be careful because it's not going to be worth it for both of us she was doing something with her hand trying to you know making a pushing motion or something It was very subtle. It wasn't very exaggerated.

And the whole time the male is doing, it's like huffing and puffing and chuffing sound. They didn't really make any, like, noise, if that makes sense. They didn't, yeah, there wasn't much of that going on. It was more of like physical bodily displays, if that makes sense. very subtle, very nuanced, I would say if you didn't know what you were looking at, you wouldn't know what was going on. But they seem to have some form of communication that doesn't necessarily focus on vocalizations. Yeah, and I've heard that before too. You know, it's fascinating. I don't know what these things are. I don't think anyone outside of the government probably knows

what these things are. But they do make weird, you know, like how you're describing the male. If you look up chimpanzees, for example, chimpanzees don't just attack you, generally speaking. They have to work up this, I don't know if you call it courage or what, but you'll see them stomp around. You'll see them throw things. You'll see them start to huff and puff. And I guess we do it too as well, primates, being an ex-bouncer, I can tell you, most guys look like monkeys when they are working themselves up. You know, they puff their chests out and they look like morons, pacing back and forth. Yeah. So I guess we do the same thing, but it is fascinating to hear of the male have that behavior of, it's almost like he was trying to work himself up to come get you or

harm you. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was kind of, picturing too he was pretty scarred up too he looked a lot older than a female um he had flecks of gray and silver on his chest and he had a couple long scars across his chest where the hair wouldn't grow um you know i don't know if that was like a black bear attack we do have black bears in that area or a florida panther but i'd say with the florida panther is probably unlikely because there's only like maybe a hundred of them or something in the state, you know. So who knows? Maybe I don't know.

Yeah, it is fascinating. What other question I want to ask you in your culture? So there's a word for tall man. And I didn't catch a word, so forgive me. Yeah, that's a stepchopko. Subtukko. And what do they say in your culture about the tall man? Um, just, it's just a different, uh, group of beings, you know, um, some of the elders believe that they exist in the world in between. So that means they can appear and disappear if that makes sense sort of like another dimension. Um, person, I don't know if, you know, every culture has their own stories and

way of explaining things. So I just take some of those things with a grain of salt. But yeah, that's pretty much what they say about it. At least in my family, at least it wasn't a big point of conversation. Whenever they told stories about our culture, it was just like a small story within the bigger picture of things, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, and I think a lot of Native Americans have that take on it, a lot that you talk to. You mentioned going in between two worlds, and there's a lot of different Native American tribes that talk about that all over the U.S.

Yeah, so my fiancé's Uruk. Her uncle was actually on Monster Quest being interviewed and stuff on a Uruk reservation because he had an encounter as a young man. And it kind of got me the courage to come on here and, you know, tell my story. And because it was just like a thing that happened in my life. And it never really affected me from then on. But it affects a lot of people to this day. Some people change your whole lives after an encounter. I had a cousin that's seen one.

He never really told me the full encounter, but he stopped hunting after that. So you have a lot of people change their way of life, actually, after meeting one of these things. So it's pretty interesting. Yeah, it is. And I think part of that it has to do with your age at the time when he saw it. You know, as we get older, I think we become more fearful of things. And I think when you're 10, I think you'd actually be a pretty smart 10-year-old, man, pretending like you're eating. I've heard Diane Fossey talk about that and Jane Goodall and the rest of them.

if you ever encounter a non-human primate, do something like, pretend like you're eating or pretend to calm the whole situation down. Yeah. And thank God it didn't attack you, man. What's kind of your opinion on this, Mark? What do you think that Sasquatch is? And there's no wrong answer. I know you've heard the show. You know, part of me wants to say it's an animal, you know, but I've met people and I've been in other situations where it proves it isn't an animal, if that makes sense. Give me an example. What do you mean? Yeah, a quick example of this is where, so I, I go out to South Dakota, because I was living in D.C. at the time, and I made a couple friends from the Lakota tribe out there on Pine Ridge. I got invited to sing out there for their summer ceremonies. I've never done this before. I don't really like camping. I'm a very, how should I say this, a luxurious Indian.

But, you know, I went out there because a really good friend of mine invited me out there And we put a little crew together and we traveled out to South Dakota during the summer It was four days ten days as a whole but four days we were at the campgrounds the ceremonial grounds I think on the third day I actually decided I want to camp out there because we were I wanted to stay in the house I don't really like camping like I said before But I said, all right, I'll spend the rest of the nights outside. I got to live like an Indian one day or, you know. I'm out there and it's pitch black, you know.

It's in the middle of the reservation. You know, I sort of drink a lot of water during the daytime because it's really hot over there. And, you know, that bites you in the back at nighttime because, you know, you got to wake up and go to the restroom. But every time I went to the restroom, I felt like something was watching me. You know, you ever get that feeling that something ain't right when you're out by yourself? So, you know, I go around these guys that are on the ceremonial grounds around a campfire, and I'm like, hey, I keep feeling I'm being watched when they're going to be. guys was joking around. He's like, oh yeah, we're always being watched out here at night time. I'm like,

okay, but what is that feeling? And one of the older guys that was there said, hey, let's take a walk. I want to show you something. And I was like, okay, I thought he was going to, because it was a really nice night and you could see all the stars. And I overheard him like saying some stories about the astrology and the tribe and what some of the stars mean for the people. And so I thought he was going to point out some stars for me. But we end up walking away from the fire and walking towards this area called the cook shack. And that's where they cook all the food during the ceremonies. He says, look by the cook shack.

And we're both looking. We're both looking. And, you know, when you kind of look in a fire and when you try to look in the dark, you've got to get your eyes readjusted. Yeah. like night vision. And so it took a little bit, but we're staring,

we're staring, we're staring, I see these two things standing at the edge of the camp and looking in, and they're just watching us, and we're watching them. It was almost like they were our own shadows,

but ten times bigger. And they were massive. You know, they were like patties, two patties standing next to, each other. You could only see the shape of them. I couldn't really see the details of them. The guy that was talking to me, he said those are Akititas or I don't know. I don't know if that's what they call them, but some people say Akitita means warrior and some of the people call Bigfa

Akitita too. So I'm not sure. I can't speak on that, but that's what the gentleman told me at the time. And he was explaining like, oh, they call them Bigfoot's, but they're drawn into ceremony. They're drawn into ceremony. He kept saying, like, whenever natives come together in a ceremonial space, they're drawn into that. They like being around that. They like hearing the music. They like seeing us pray. And so they'll stand by the perimeter and try to protect us.

and, you know, the whole time I'm thinking about my encounter as a small boy, and the appearance was just so vastly different, you know, down in Florida, they look a little bit more underfed, but up here they look like linebackers, you know? So we're sitting there and I'm saying to myself, I'm saying to him too, you know, what if these things come in and he said they won't they're very respectful and they only come to observe and i was just dumbfounded you know very uh i was just i felt like an observer you know just it put me in a weird head space for the rest of the night and i didn't want to go out to pee for the rest of the night um but uh

Yeah, a lot of, because I travel around the country, you know, with my fiancé and I have a lot of friends from different tribes. And they all say sometimes the same thing that whenever their own tribes host a ceremony or something like that, they're always around. And you'll hear stories about that, that they're drawn into places of prayer. and they're attracted to the songs that people sing. And they don't really interrupt. They don't really make sounds. They don't act aggressive. They're just there to, I guess, observe us, you know, in a praying way.

I don't know. I get what you mean. So when you say they can be human-like at times, that's a good example. Yeah. Because a bear wouldn't do that. A wolf wouldn't do that. So I get what you mean. So what is your opinion, though?

I didn't mean to originally cut you off, but what is your opinion as far as what they actually are? I think they're a different kind of person, if that makes sense. Meaning that, yes, they live differently than us, but so do other cultures of human beings. You know, not every human lives the same way. But they are intelligent, and they have enough intelligence to discern certain. certain situations. They have enough intelligence to know what a consequence

is. A lot of animals don't know that they just react on instinct. So that's pretty much how I think what it is. That's the second time I've seen one.

And then the third time was only like in Northern California and me and my fiance were in a hot tub behind a, like a hotel on a reservation. And it was an outdoor hot tub, and it's perimetered by the Redwoods. So this is like in Klamath on the York reservation, and a part of it called Rec Wall. And, you know, the whole time, like, again, I get that strange feeling like I'm being watched.

And I don't know if it could have been a cougar or something watching us in the hot tub. but, you know, I've only felt that feeling one other time and now is in South Dakota. So I don't know if there was one watching us in the hot tub or just around, you know. But there's some sort of primordial fear that runs through your body as a human when these things are around. I don't know how to explain it. There is kind of a weird feeling when these things are around. It's almost like, and Woody and I've talked about this before, It's almost this weird feeling like we've met before.

I've dealt with you in the past. You've dealt with me in the past. And it is very primal. It is very hard to articulate to someone that feeling. And, man, at least you have food with those crows in the background. It's the grocery store shut down. Yeah. Portland, man.

Sorry. Sorry about that. No apologies. No apologies. It's nice ambience for most people are stuck in home anyway, in their house. Yeah. But yeah, it's a fascinating account, Mark. You know, I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share it.

You know, most encounters that people have with females, they generally tend to be less aggressive. The females tend to be not so hot-headed when it comes to you and come after you, as opposed to males. Males will generally come after you or see everything as a threat. And obviously, begin 10-year-old, boy, you're not. threat to these things. Yeah.

You couldn't have done anything. Even if you wanted to, you couldn't have done anything. I think, I don't know. He could have flicked me and I would have felt like 20 feet backwards or something. Yeah. But it's a fascinating account, man. I really appreciate you coming on and share it. And it's nice to have a local guy on the show.

I know you're just across the bridge. And please be safe with this whole, you know, I don't want to sound like I'm fear mongering or anything. But, you know, be safe. Be safe out there. And I appreciate you taking the Sunday to come on the show and share it, man. Yeah, no problem, Wes. You'd be safe out here too. Thanks again, Mark. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at SasquatchWraternacles.com. If you get a chance to check out SasquatchWrannicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. Ladies and gentlemen of the class of 99, wear sunscreen. If I could offer you only one tip for the future,

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