Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:649 Hunter Encounters Sasquatch

Episode Date: April 27, 2020

A listener writes "I had 4 encounters on 3 different properties, 2 of which I know was Bigfoot and 2 that couldn't have been anything else and nothing else makes since. All these encounters took place while deer hunting here in northeast Alabama. I also have a strange story about the balls of lights that my grandma told me about on the property we're I had 2 of the encounters." Spoke to the witness and he said "I was hunting and the neighbor had a huge dog.I thought this large dog had its back to me in the treeline and I was mad because he was going to ruin my hunt. I looked away scanning for deer and when I looked back at what I thought was the dog I was shocked. It was now standing on two legs staring at me. I was in shock and could not wrap my head around what I was looking at." We are also going to speak to David and his son who had an encounter in Utah. David's son ran ahead of him on the trail and saw a creature on the trail. His son screamed and David thought he was hurt as he caught up to his son he heard something very large tearing through the woods.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forward, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. Magid 1, what are you reporting? Jesus, quite get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in. This is Danny Dunmore, and you are listening to the one and only, Sosquatch Chronicles.

Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. We're going to be talking to David and his son who are from Utah, and his son ran ahead of him on a trail and ran right into one of these creatures. And David thought his son was hurt because his son screamed, and so he runs up there, and he hears a creature run off. We're also going to be talking to Jordan, who comes to.

us from Alabama. And Jordan is a lifelong hunter, and he's had very strange encounters out there hunting, including one sighting. He doesn't hunt so much anymore. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is West at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome David to the show. David, thanks for coming on. Thanks for inviting us.

Yeah, I really appreciate it. Yeah, no, I appreciate you guys being here. And I know we're changing the name of your son. We'll call him Short Walker for the show. Shortwalker, thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate you being here. Thank you. I heard about your encounter and I really wanted to hear what you saw and what you experienced.

But David, maybe I'll start with you. kind of what were you guys doing and then uh we'll let short walker take over as far as what what he saw okay sure so this summer it will be four years ago we were doing a family night hike and this is in utah and we were on the bonneville shoreline trail we were going to be exiting the part this is a full moon and my little i had my smallest on my shoulders she was four years all the time. And my son was 11 and, you know, kids like to get ahead of you. And he, he ran at least about 50 feet in front of me. And I heard him scream. And I thought what had happened is he hurt himself. I had my, I took my little one off my shoulders and put it under my arm. I ran with her.

And I got to him and he, he was, he was screaming. Like I said, I thought he was hurt. he says, Dad, I saw a Sasquatch. And I thought, you gotta be, there's no way. You got to, that's, that's insane. And he was able to get a good look at it because the, it was a full moon that night. I didn't see it, but I heard it. And we've got these really small, stubby oak trees out here called scrub oaks. And it sounded like there was a bulldozer going through the trees to get away.

So I definitely heard something huge going through the trees. Yeah, let me ask you, Shortwalker. So your dad's coming up to you. Prior to your dad coming up, what did you see out there? So it was kind of like a little bit taller than my dad. And it was just, it was like a brownish color. It was really just really insane to see it. It was like nothing I've ever seen.

seen before. Like nowhere near anything like a bear. Yeah, I hear you. And so you're coming down the trail. Do you, is it standing off to the trail? Is that where you run into it or was it actually the trail? The trail is like a three-way. And it was kind of like on the side with the two pathways that were forking off from the trail I was running down. And it was like in the middle between those. And it was like, I guess it was walking out. there and since I came and saw it and made a really loud noise, it started running in between those, in past the shrubs. And it was just, the noises that came like it running was like insanely loud. Yeah, they're pretty terrifying to run into. I know what you mean when you

run into them. And thank God that it ran off, you know, as opposed to turning and coming towards you. Yeah. It's very strange, Shortwalker. You know, a lot of times with these creatures, there's a lot of behaviors I don't understand, but you hear it all the time. Because you, you would have think it would have heard you coming down the trail and would have moved off or got, you know, hidden somewhere. But that's not really what they do. It's bizarre. It's bizarre. So you scream and you think that's why it ran off? I think so. I was yell at my dad. name because I didn't know what I was seeing. Again, nothing I've ever seen before.

And I didn't know what else to do. So I just yelled for my dad. Yeah, I think you did the right thing. Was there anything about it that kind of stood out to you? I mean, it was there. And what I mean by that is, I would imagine it's a quick glimpse you're getting because it's by the time you scream and it takes off. But was there anything that kind of stood out to you like appearance-wise?

or? I'd say it's eyes. It was pretty wild because it looked directly at me and then started running. And it was, the eyes were just, like red. It was just, the eyes were really creepy looking at. No, they are, especially red, you know. Were they lit up or was it more like a reflection or? When I say lit up, were they like bulbs of light or was it more or less kind of, you know what I mean?

Like, have you ever been out there and you see a reflection from Adir's eyes and they kind of have that golden yellowish? Oh, yeah. I'd say, I'd say more reflective. It wasn't like a light bulb, but you could see that it was red, but it wasn't like lighting up. Yeah, I would imagine David, you'd have been terrified, man. Your son's up ahead. He's screaming. But then you actually hear it leave. I mean, you hear the same breaking through the forest as it's getting out of there.

Yeah, that was, I've never heard anything like that before. I mean, I've been deer hunting a couple of times. And every now they hear a twig or something break. You know, they're fairly heavy, but nothing like this before. It was pretty alarming. Yeah, it is. Short Walker, did you, how did it affect you after seeing it? I mean, are you okay with going back out in the woods?

I'm fine with going, hiking still. But that night, I was just really thinking about what I saw. I couldn't really think about anything other than that. It was creepy in a way, but I was more interested in what it was than the scary aspect of it or creepy. Yeah, I get exactly what you mean. And a lot of people go through that. And sometimes people have nightmares and they, you know, after they see them, even if it's not aggressive, it affects everyone in a different way.

Being a younger guy, and I say that in a nice way because me and your dad are old guys. But being a younger guy, you know, did it kind of spark an interest for you to kind of look into it more? Yeah, I started going on a lot more hikes a little after it. Not directly, but I started going looking with my dad because we both found an interest in it once we saw that. And me and my dad started like looking into it and fighting people that were, you know, sharing the same stories like this. Yeah. And I think I think that's what we're all trying to do is, is find answers to what this thing is, you know, and what is it that people are running it. you know, what are they running into?

You know, I give you a lot of props for coming forward because it's a weird thing to talk about, you know, of seeing one of these things. And it's kind of like when people see aliens or, you know, it's kind of that, I don't know what the word I'm looking for. It's hard to come forward and say, hey, I saw this. And it takes a lot of courage, man. I commend you a lot for coming forward and not freaking out too much. You know, it's everyone freaks out.

Don't get me wrong. Everyone freaks out. but David, have you been back to that trail? We had. In fact, we were doing a, we were taking a journey in the car going on a trip, and we were listening to some of your episodes, which are great to listen to when you're driving, man. And we heard some stories about people seeing lights. And we kind of had like a hindsight kind of moment where while we were on the aftermath,

thought that there was other people trying to leave apart way up on the ridge with with flashlights but after we've gone back there it's like there's not any real there are any trails there so we're thinking we both had an aha moment where we believe what we saw were orbs you know lights up there as opposed to people with flashlights makes a lot more sense after everyone back there and that was after the encounter or that was after yeah that was after it that we thought about the lights that we saw during the encounter. Yeah, those lights are a trip, man.

And it's a weird coincidence that they show up. I'm still not convinced that they're directly related, but it's a very, very strange coincidence that these lights show up, you know, when these things are around or on people's property or, you know, what color were the lights? They were just, it was like a, almost like a pinkish color. And it's like a yellow color, I believe. I just remember

completely disregarding anything because we thought they were just flashlights back then but after listening to your show and learning about the orbs I thought that's got to be what it was. What was interesting though West was like I wanted confirmation on all of it

and about I want to say it was like two weeks later I was working a late shift and I was listening to Costa coast and it was like a Friday night. It was their open line night. And a guy calls in, says, my name's Mark. I worked at Hill Air Force Base and was on the Bonneville Shoreline Trail. And I saw a white bigfoot.

And I'm like, oh my God. That's, my mouth was wide open because that's the exact place we were at. I think he said it was like the late 90s that the guy was walking on the trail. But it's like, that's the same spot. And that was confirmation. And then I also wanted to find a, see if there's anybody local that was interested in Bigfoot. And that's how I came across Nathan Rio. And he and I went up.

We've been on a couple hikes. And I saw some amazing things with him. So it all led, you know, confirmation to what we went through. Yeah. What kind of experiences did you have with Nathan Rio out there in Utah? So one night we went the first time I met with him was about midnight and we went on a trail around a park, found all kinds of little what I call like, I won't say Hobbit structures, but like something that looked like little people would go in. And then he took me to a place. We went up, we went up these railroad tracks and we found like these boulders were like,

heaved and pushed up with mud and there was an entrance in the middle and it was nothing but a canopy of all these like a, it almost looked like a jungle gym made out of trees. I mean, you could, I would imagine or envision it being like

with the orangutans or something because the trees were, how they were moved and placed were just, it was amazing. It was like a set of a Tarzan movie. This was during the summer. So there were these like, I think it's a Russian thorn. I can't remember the exact name of it, but it's a type of plant growing up with

lots of spikes on it. And something had taken all the bark off a lot of these trees and then mad it down on top of these things so they wouldn't get stuck. I mean, it was, it was amazing. And I wish that we had some video of that to show people. But it was, I was without a doubt, 100% convinced because I'm like, I don't know how many men it would take to move these trees in place and to fix them like that, it's just mind-blowing. Yeah, it is. And he definitely has areas where there's stuff going on. I know he gets a lot of crap online, but Nathan goes into real areas, man.

And he's a good guy. I mean, he really is a good guy. He takes too much crap online. Yeah, I think we all do once we put our neck out there, it seems like. Yeah, no, absolutely. Do you guys still go out and look for these things? It's been a while. we do go hike

and if we've found some other stuff around that area up further there is like a shepherder's cabin it's a couple of miles up there was a there was logs placed in front of this cabin

and as soon as I touched it they fell down luckily I didn't get hit but there's odd things out there like that and just like why would anybody spend the time to do this you know, I'd love to figure out the significance of it if it's like a trail marker or in the last,

I had a really good experience when I went to Tahoe with my wife. We had a little getaway and I was able to get out in some woods there and found some huge like asterisk symbols. And the trees there were just massive. They completely dwarf anything we have here in Utah. But yeah, we still go. now and then. I haven't been very active. I have a little YouTube channel,

but we haven't been really active on that. What's your YouTube channel? It's just late and Long Walker. Oh, very cool. Very cool. I'll have to post a link for it. But we just, yeah. I guess we've,

I'm at that point where I know the more you get into this subject is like, the less you know, it seems like, because it just, there's so many different rabbit trails that this topic goes on. It's really hard to, because I think like everybody starts out

where everything's flesh and blood and then you find out that there's other things going on or associated with these creatures, you know. Yeah, there's definitely, definitely weird things that go on. So I almost called you Skinwalker. That's not too far from here. So, Shortwalker,

what do you think that Sasquatch is? And there's no wrong answer. I don't really know. It's kind of a... That's a hard question. I don't know. Yeah.

And that's a fair answer too. I mean, that's... I would say if you ask most people, they would say, I don't know. You know? So there's no wrong answer on it. What do you think, David? What's kind of your opinion as far as what these things are?

Well, based on my, on my background and what I believe, I used to get, I used to think, well, it was just some type of like, you know, flesh and blood kind of animal. But I kind of am on the side of this is, I'm not going to say Nathlum. That's where I went with it. But I think it's something that has been here for a long time, but something's been messing around with it because of, I mean, I've looked into the DNA studies that have been done on it. And you've got the mother, I mean, the, you know, the mom's, the side, one side's 100% from a human female.

And there's nothing in the genetic bank for what dad is. I'm going to answer that with the Nephilim messed with something is what the best answer I can give. Yeah. It's a fair answer. It's a very fair answer. And, you know, it's like I always say, you could be right. I mean, I've heard everything as far as what these things are. And it's one of those questions to where anyone could be right.

You know what I mean? There's really no wrong answer to it. I don't even remember back in high school, but there was something called a, was it Gregor, Mendel, it was like a monk that in biology, your first biology class, you're in high school, you're looking at this like punnet square that's got like a wrinkled pea, yellow pee, and then like a, you know, regular green pea. And so my thought is, I'm wondering if they're half human and half whatever, and based on that kind of genetic square, then if they're still out there reproducing,

then there should be the likelihood or probability. me it would be recessive. The human side I think would be recessive in this, but there should be a Sasquatch getting birth to just a pure human. And then, I mean, because it, just based on if you do a genetic square on the

half and half, and I've never heard anybody really discussed that, but anybody's out there that knows anything, I'd love to hear about it, you know, or anybody that's into genetics on what the probability of them having a 100% human child would be, you know, if that's

even possible, but I've often wondered about that. Yeah, it's an interesting take. I'm no geneticist, so I can't really answer that question, but it is an interesting take, you know, on what these things are and the behavior, you know, like Shortwalker going down that trail, you know, it could have grabbed him and been gone. But it, it's, man. Yeah, well, the thing is, a lot of times with these things, you'll find that same behavior. You know, he goes down the trail, he screams, and,

it takes off. I mean, I've had hunters do the exact same thing. I've had hikers do the, I've had fishermen do the exact same thing. And so are they always going to be bloodthirsty killers? No. But it is kind of fascinating because you know that thing had to have heard you guys coming down the trail. I'm sure you weren't being quiet coming down the trail. You know what I mean?

No, no, not my four-year-olds. No way. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you guys coming on and sharing it. Short Walker, it was probably one of the best interviews I've had in a while, ma'am. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you so much for taking the time to come on. And, you know, thank you for listening to the show, ma'am.

Thank you. Thanks for having a song blast. Yeah, David. Thank you so much for coming on. You've had. Thanks again. Well, next up on the show, I want to welcome Jordan. Jordan, thanks for coming on the show, man.

Appreciate you being here. Yeah, man, I'm glad to be here. Yeah, I'm happy to have you here. And I know you had a couple of very strange encounters out there in Alabama. And you were hunting. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning. Kind of walk us into what happened and what did you see? All right.

Well, to get everything started, I never really believed in Bigfoot. I've never, you know, I've never seen anything. I've been in the woods my whole life. and never, you know, never seen anything, never heard anything. And when Finding Bigfoot came out, me and my oldest son, that was kind of our thing to watch it every Sunday night. And but still at the same time, you know, I just, you know, laughed at the show and kind of thought it was a joke.

But not to say that Claire for Bopo or any of those were a joke. But the show was, you know, kind of a joke to me. But I was hunting on some of my property. And it was a morning hunt, and I've been sitting there, I've been sitting there for a few hours. And I'm just scanning the woods, looking back and forward to the right to the left, you know, trying to be as still as possible. I scanned over to my left as far as I could see one time. And I seen my neighbor's dog, Max, sitting behind a tree. And Max is a newfoundland.

It's a big, you know, black, hairy dog. It's pretty big. And I've seen it. And I looked back straight and I thought, why is Max in the woods? You know, I'm trying to hunt. You know, he's going to ruin my hunt. And so I just kind of, I look back over again. And this time when I looked, I turned my head back straight as quick as possible.

And, you know, it's one of those things, you know, when you look and you see something that it's almost like you didn't want to see it or something that you're not supposed to see and you look away really quick. And because I thought Max is standing there looking at me. And so I look back over again, and then I see Max sitting behind the tree again. And, you know, if a dog's facing the opposite direction from you are, all you can see is it's back, you know. And that's what I could see was just Max sitting there on the ground, you know, facing the opposite direction. So I look back straight again. And I'm like, okay, maybe Max wasn't standing there looking at me. He's a dog. He can't stand up.

And so I just kind of thought it was that I was stupid or whatever. and so I look I decided I thought well I look around for deer again just in case because Max's not moving he's not making any noise maybe you know deer might walk out and I look over again

and there stands Max looking at me and this time I stopped and I looked and it's not Max it's you know it's you know my brain you know your brain will tell you what you're seeing even though it may be you know

your brain just goes to whatever's familiar. And so when I first looked, I'm like, you know, at first it's, well, that's Max standing there looking at me. And then it's, no, that's not Max standing there looking at me. And, you know, it might have been 10 seconds that I looked and then I looked back straight again. And I'm sitting here trying to convince myself that I'm not seeing what I think I see, you know.

You know, like I said, I'm, you know, sit here and made fun of finding Bigfoot and all these people seeing this thing, which I always kind of thought that there might be be something there, but I didn't, you know, it was just kind of a joke. But, and so I looked down and my phone is laying on my right leg. And I thought, well, nobody's going to believe me if I say this. So I'm going to try to snap a picture of this thing. So I turned my phone up. I stood it up on my leg and faced it towards where the big foot was and set it to camera. And, you know, I did this without moving as much as possible. You know, I didn't want to spook it or. you know, whatever. And when I turned it, and I could see the big foot in the picture barely, and I snapped the picture. And then I, you know, I laid the phone back down on my leg. And I looked at the picture, and I thought, okay, I got it in the picture. And so I sat there for a minute. I didn't, I didn't want to look back over there. I just wanted to, you know, it was almost like I just wanted it to go away and I wanted to go back to hunting. And, you know, I just, you know, so I didn't look back over there. And while I'm looking down at the phone at this picture,

I look up and propped up in front of me it was my 300 windmack. And I kind of thought to myself, I said, well, people may not even believe the picture, but I could shoot the thing. And then I've got proof. You know, we could prove that it's real. You know, and at that time, I'd, you know,

never heard of your show or anything. Your show probably wasn't out at that time. You know, I didn't know that, you know, the two men might show up, you know, or, you know, the government would have got involved and probably have shot it, you know. But I reached and I grabbed the gun and I'm holding it between my legs and I look over again and it's gone. And it's not there anymore.

So I just kind of pop the gun back and I look around a little bit and I'm thinking, all right, well, I don't know where it went. I didn't hear anything. I didn't, you know, see it go across in front of me or anything. So it's gone. Well, I sit there for a little while longer and I kept looking at the picture. I kept trying to think, you know, kind of even just trying to disprove the picture myself. And I got to thinking, you know, I'm in this buddy stand. It's 12 foot off the ground.

You know, this thing looked to be about seven foot tall. Maybe I've got a buddy who's 6, 9, 270 pounds. And this thing was, I'd say it's a little bigger than he is. And so when that kind of crossed my mind, I thought, well, if it's seven foot tall, you know, and people say they got arms that reach down to their knees, this thing can probably, you know, yank me out of this stand. So I, when that crosses my mind, I jump up. up and start looking around behind me and start looking, you know, all the way around trying to figure out if I can see it because, you know, because I want to know where it's at now,

you know, just in case it's trying to sneak up on me or something. Yeah. And I can't see it or anything. So I just sit back down and I sat there until about 10 o'clock, which is normally when I come out of the woods. And the whole time I'm sitting there just telling myself, you know, you're stupid. You didn't see that. You know, it's, you know, you're imagining things because, you know, you're.

You know, I'd never, you know, it just wasn't something that, you know, I've been in these same woods, you know, as far back as I can remember, you know, three, four, five years old running all over these woods. You know, never heard, never seen anything, you know, which I wouldn't looking for anything either at that time. Did you leave at that point? I mean, so you see this saying and you stay in the woods longer than normal. Do you end up just leaving? And does anything else happen on your way out that day, I mean? No, no, nothing else ever really happened that day. I remember going back and my buddy that lived on the same property there,

you know, our kids or well, his kids, his kids were quite a bit older than mine. You know, they would play in these woods and stuff. And I kind of went up to him and I said, because I was kind of hoping that that I would say something to him and he would start laughing and be like, yeah, man, I'd check out this suit up all, you know. And I was just come down there. That's what I was hoping for. but he uh which of course like everybody else he was like man it's you know you're you know you didn't see nothing you're crazy you know and this and that but i was just like look dude i'm just trying

to tell you because i know the kids are out here all the time and you know just kind of you know i'm not saying that don't let the kids out it's never bothered the kids it never bothered me but at the same time you know that you know if it is here who's to say that you know the kids i didn't want anything happened to the kids and um you know but it And, but he, you know, he just laughed it off. You know, but he actually got on his full weather, rode down through there. And he told me that after I came out, there was deer tracks on the trail that we walk in and out. And they weren't there that day when I walked out because I'd have seen them.

So deer actually did come through there after I left. But, you know, and it would have been three or four hours after this thing went on about his business. Let me ask you, Jordan. So you see this thing and he think it's a dog. Was it on all fours? can you kind of describe what you saw? And I get completely what you mean. I mean, I can tell you a lot of people, they'll say, you know, I saw this weird bear.

And but I hear that a lot from hunters. And then when they start describing it, it sounds nothing like a bear. I guess, kind of. It's running on all fours. But you get the weird stories where they're like, yeah, this bear took off in a full sprint on two legs. And it's like, I don't think you saw a bear. But I kind of get, I say all that to say this. I get where you're coming from, like, oh, there's my buddy's dog, there's my neighbor's dog,

because your brain can't process really what you're looking at. But was it on all fours? And then once you realized it wasn't a dog, can you kind of describe what you saw? Well, at first, like I said, all I could see was, I guess maybe it was part of its leg or whether it was squatted down behind the tree. And so it looked like, you know, it looked like the dog sitting there. And so, but that's all I can really see. It was just like a lump of fur or hair.

You know what I mean? It didn't have any shape or any kind of figure to it. It was just a lump sitting out in the woods. And it was about 50 yards away from me, so, you know, which isn't far, but at the same time, it's not right in front of me. But then when it stood up, the first time I, when I looked over there, you know, I looked back straight as quick as I could. I really didn't even get a look at it. You know, I just seen it, and it looked like it was six or six, seven foot tall and it was standing there looking at me.

And so I looked away as quick as possible to try to figure out what was going on. You know, because I know Max can't climb a tree, but it looked like that was what maybe he was trying to do if it was Max. And which if Max, you know, he's a big dog. It's a newfoundland. You know, if he stands up on his high legs, he would have been about six foot tall. But my nephew actually thought Max was a bear one time going across the yard. but the second time or the third time I looked whenever it was standing there and I actually got to look at it.

You know, I never seen it on all fours, but when it was standing up, you know, it had, and as I say this, you know, I wasn't, it wasn't like I was inspecting it. You know, I was just more of like, it's like my eyes were looking straight at something and I couldn't figure out what it was. I wasn't like looking at the eyes and the nose and the mouth. I was just looking at the whole figure, just trying to process what I'm looking at. And the only things I can really remember is it didn't have big, long arms, and it had the, you know, the big rounded style head. Is that the conical style head? Is that what they call? Yeah.

It's got the hump on top of it. It kind of like a gorilla. You know, I didn't, it didn't, I can't, it didn't look like a man. It didn't have a man's face. because that would have stood out. I know its face was like a gray color, and all the hair was white, or black, not white, sorry. All the hair was black, and the face was kind of a gray color,

but I couldn't really tell the eyes, the nose, lips, or anything like that, because I was more just looking at the whole thing standing there looking at me. I get exactly what you mean. Yeah, trying to process the whole thing. Do you think it realized you were there? Do you think it noticed you there? I think it knew I was there. It was, I mean, its face was pointed directly at me.

You know, and it was, you know, it was just kind of, you know, it was looking dead at me. And that's one of the reason why I turned around so quick because I thought, you know, what the heck, Max is standing there. It's terrifying to see these things. And I've said it in the past, you know, if even if you don't have an aggressive encounter, it kind of like resets your brain or your brain scrambles. I guess trying to, I know I'm not articulating this very well, but I almost like your, like your brain shuts down because it can't quite process what you're looking at. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Yeah. So I was just froze staring at it. And it was like, you know, yeah, I couldn't, I didn't really look up and down it and look at its face or nothing. You know, I was just like I was just staring at it, you know, the whole thing. So you leave. And, but this wasn't your only experience out there. it, Jordan? No, no, I was, had another experience.

About a 30-minute walk from that stand on a different property. I had got permission from a gentleman that lived, you know, just right down the road. And the way the land is laid out up there, which I'll explain later, but it's like, you know, it's in different tracks, but the tracks may only be three acres wide, but they may be 20 to 40 acres long. and so, you know, everybody's property is not very far from each other. And I talked to this man about hunting his land and she gave me permission. He said that nobody had hunted it in 50 years. And so I'm thinking, hey, you know, this is, you know, this may be the honeyhole where all the deer keep going to deer hunting season because nobody's in there hunting it.

So a couple of days, and it was late, it was right before deer season started. So when I finally got him to agree to it. And so I hadn't had a lot of time on the land. to really surveyed or anything or find out where the deer are. So I just went in. I found a good tree that I could climb and I put some bright eyes on it, which, you know, do you know what bright eyes are? No, never heard of them, no.

They're like kind of like thumbtacks, and you can mash them into the tree. Oh, yeah, yeah. They have like an orange, orange. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if from, you know, 100 yards out, you can turn your light on, they can bright up, then you know where you're going.

So I found a good tree. I put some of those on it. And I went to the house, went to go wash my stuff, you know, get all my stuff ready for opening day. And so opening, you know, opening day comes. And I jump on my full weather. I head down there because like I said, it's just right around the curve from the house. I get off the full weather. And it's about, let's just say I can't remember the time, but this would have been 2013 in October of 2013.

I can't remember exactly what time, but if daylight is at 6.30, then it's legal to kill a deer at 6 o'clock. So I want to be in the tree, you know, in the stand sitting by 4.45 or so just to let the woods calm down from me walking through. And, you know, everything's better down asleep at that time. And I get off the full weather, I start walking. And I have a red light on my headlamp, you know, and I kind of knew where the tree was. I didn't want to turn on my bright light. So I just kind of walked and used that red light to spot the bright eyes. I got there, I climbed up.

I get to sit down. It's about 4.45 in the morning. And I always set an alarm. Like I said, if I can shoot at 6 o'clock, I'll sit on alarm for 550. And I put my phone in my top pocket in my jacket, like right over my heart. And it's set for vibrate. And the way my stand set up is once I get up, I'm 30 foot up. and I get my bow and my backpack get them set up

and then I sit down and I can move my seat out and I can recline to where I can take a nap. And I usually do this every time I go hunting, I'll kick back like that and I'll sleep until that alarm goes off. And then I, you know, wait, you know, I get woke up and then I'm ready to hunt. I cloud up 30 foot. I pull up my bow and everything and I get everything set up

and I kick back in my chair. And as soon as I go to close my eyes, I hear footsteps. And it's, they're like, you know, in the wood. And this is an oak bottom, so there's tons of oak leaves everywhere. And they're about, if I'm looking straight ahead at 12 o'clock, I would say they're at 10, 30, 11 o'clock. And it was just like five steps. And then it got, and then it stopped.

And I'm thinking, what the world was that? You know, at this time, you know, the only thing out are predators. And so which would be Bobcat. or a coyote or maybe a fox, but they're greater around this part. And so, you know, a bobcat's not going to make any noise. A coyote, they make tons of noise. And then, you know, if it is a fox, you know,

they don't weigh a whole lot. They're not going to make that big of noise when they're coming through the woods. And so, you know, like I said, I only took like five steps and then that was it. So I'm like, whatever, you know, I just closed my eyes and went to go take my that. You know, this being the open day of the season, I didn't get a lot of sleep than that before, just from the excitement of, you know, getting to go hunt and then it being a new property, you know, I was kind of excited about it. So I go to Doze off again and I hear it again, you know,

about six, seven steps out in front of me. And this time I kind of, you know, the way I, the way I am, I can open my eyes and I can see out in front of me, but, you know, it's still pitch black outside. I'm not going to be able to see anything. But, you know, of course, your eyes. And so I think again, I'm like, what is this? You know, you know, it can't be a squirrel because squirrels are still asleep. And even if it is, they don't, they're going to make a lot more noise than that. And especially in an oak bottom, because they're going to be digging through the leaves for acorns and stuff. And so, you know, and I just, I'm like, I don't know what it is. I don't care. I'm 30 foot up in a tree. Whatever it is, it ain't going to get me, you know.

So I go to those off again. It does it again. I just kind of just kind of just. still laid there. And it does this about every, I don't know, two, three minutes while I'm sitting there trying to doze off. And I finally just told myself, hey, it's a rabbit. Sounds like a rabbit. You know, it's douche, doosh, douche,

sounds like a rabbit hopping. You know, that's got to be what it is. I don't know why a rabbit's out at this time. Because, you know, the only thing out is bobcats and coyotes and they're after the rabbit. So I don't know why it's out here. But, oh, well, that's what it is. So, you know, I don't,

time passes up by my alarm goes off and you know this being a new property i haven't been on it a whole lot i was really just there to watch you know to see if you know if i see deer or maybe hey when the sun comes up i may spot a tree over there where i need to go next time or you know there's a better looking place down this away and um so when the alarm goes off i cut it off and i just kind of stay where I'm at. I stay reclined back. I'm just going to lay here and just watch see what happens. And it gets about 6.15, so it's been 25 minutes since the alarm goes off. And I've been sitting there. I haven't seen anything. There's nothing that, you know, I can see, you know, there's certain places in the woods where I can see 100 yards, some places I can only

see 50 yards, you know. And I look around. I don't see any deer. So I decided, you know, I've been sitting in this one position for an hour and a half. I'm going to resituate myself. my butt's starting to go numb. The way I'm going to climb back, if I put my feet on the bottom stand and use the back of my knees to take the seat backwards, I can sit straight up.

And it's a quick movement. I've done it a million times. And so I do that, but I have to use my arms on the top part of the stand to lift my butt up while I do all this. And when I do that, I hear the best way I can explain it is like a, you know, it's just a weird,

sound, but it was kind of, it wasn't loud, but it was kind of loud. And a tree about 40 yards to my right falls. And it falls fast. Like, it doesn't, like, if a tree fall, even if you cut a tree, you know, the first three or four to five seconds is, you know, crack, crack, pop, crack, crack, and then when it gets, you know, about a core of the way fail, it, then it falls. Well, this one just, it fell. Like, there was no snows. There was no snows. crack, pop, there was just, bam, it's on the ground. So, of course, you know, I jump over and look, you know, and I'm like, what the crap, because this tree fell the same direction that I'm facing.

So if I would have been in that tree, I would have hit the ground with the tree on my back. And, you know, I can't see the bottom of the tree because there's trees in between me and that tree. but for me to see the bottom of that tree I would have had to been 10 to 15 foot in front of me and looking way over my right shoulder and so first thing I do when this tree hits the ground I look at the tree I'm in just thinking what the crap you know making sure that you know

there's no that the tree I'm in is a good healthy tree which the one on the ground has green leaves on it and it looks like there's nothing wrong with it and so I'm just kind of freaked out like, you know, why are, you know, there's no wind blowing. There's no, you know, and this, for a tree like this to fall, you've got to have, you know, like a tornado. You know, we have tornadoes down here really bad all the time.

And if it didn't fall back in November when we had tornadoes, then, you know, why is it falling now when there's no wind? So I sat there and I decided to stay and hunt, you know, trees fall all the time. Maybe it don't, you know, maybe it didn't scare the deer off. I sat there and just kept deer hunting. Well, got about 930. I climbed down and I decided I was like I'm going to walk over here

and just look at this tree so I'll walk over the root ball and everything gets pulled completely you know when it fell it pulled the root ball and everything out of the ground and it's it's only an 8 to 10 inch around tree

which is you know a pretty decent size tree it's probably 25 foot tall it's an oak tree you know it's and it's healthy you know there's nothing wrong with this tree but it's been pulled out of the ground knocked over you know and I'm just you know at this time I'm not thinking Sasquatch.

I'm just, you know, for some odd, weird reason. You know, for all I know, that old man come down here and, you know, mess with the tree, that way it would fall over or something to, you know, scare me off his land or something, even though he gave me permission to hunt it. Who knows? You know? And so I didn't look for footprints. I didn't look for anything like that because I wasn't thinking Sasquatch. So I walk back over.

I get to the stand. I take the stand off the tree, you know, put my backpack and everything on the stand. And I start walking back to the full weather. well I get back up behind the house there and the old man sitting on the back porch and he says and he says hey boy what was that loud noise this morning I said a tree fell and he just got a he had this he just had that that grin on his face um kind of you know a crap eating grin and he just kind of laughed and said a tree fell and I said yeah and he just kind of shook his head and just sat there and I threw my hand up he'd

through his hand up and I went on, got on the full weather and left. And I don't know, it was two, three weeks later. He called me and he said, hey, you're going to come hunting over here anymore? And I said, I told him, I said, I don't know. I don't know. He said, why? And I said, I don't know. I just, I don't like the fact that tree failed when there was no reason for that

tree to fall. And it just kind of weirded me out. Well, he just kind of laughed and hung up the phone. So at that time, I was just, you know, like, whatever, old man, you know, I'm not worried about you and your land anyways. You know, I've got my own land to hunt. But, you know, now thinking back, it kind of makes me wonder, you know, why nobody had been in those woods for 50 years. You know, I mean, you know, he could have known something, you know. Yeah, it makes you wonder. And let me ask you, after what you saw that first

time, what made you go back and hunt? Was it just disbelief on what you saw or what was the reasoning for going, I'm going to go out and give this another go. Was it because you're in a different area? And I asked hunters this a lot of times and, you know, I mean, it makes sense what they're saying, but, I mean, he saw, he saw Andre the Giant, you know, step out and look at you. But what was kind of your mindset with wanting to go back? But like you said, you know, I really, you know, you say something to a few people and they laugh at you ridicule, you, you know, and you just kind of, You know, you just kind of, after, you know, a couple of months of that happened and you, you just put it, you lock it away in a vault and say, that didn't happen. I'm not going to talk about it. I'm not going to think about it. You know, and you just, you just suppress it. And then, you know, come to next, I've hunted my whole life. You know, when I was seven years old, my grandpa handed me a 12-gay shotgun and a couple of boxes of shells and said, have at it. You know, and I would, that's what I did every day. I went outside and I killed squirrel. And my grandma would cook them, make squirrel dumplings.

And, you know, I killed, you know, anything and everything I could find, really. And so, you know, I wasn't going to let, I wasn't going to let that, you know, change me hunting at that time. I get it. And I respect your answer. And I think a lot of hunters kind of go with that. You know, I think that's kind of the same mentality. Sometimes all of hunters on the show, and they'll have very aggressive encounters. And then I think it was a couple of member shows back.

And the guy kept going back. But I guess if you're a hunter, it's hard to understand that. If you don't hunt, it sounds crazy. But, you know, being that I hunted, I get completely what you're saying. And I think that's why I said before, a lot of hunters go, well, I never seen Bigfoot, but I saw a strange bear. Because I think they try and rationalize in their head because they don't want, you know, they don't want to have hunting being taken away from them. So I get it. I get completely what you mean.

but so you kept going back and there was other things that happened to you, correct? Yeah, I got a divorce and had to move to a bigger city about 45 minutes away, which was the best thing to do for the kids. There's better schools, better opportunities for the kids, and even better for my company. And so we moved and so I no longer had my property that I could hunt anymore, but there's 40,000 acres of public land that as long as you have the right kind of licenses, you know, anybody can hunt it. This land is, it's shut down and locked up from the end of April until the second week of September.

So nobody's on it during that time except for the Forestry Service and all in those people. And, you know, and there's not very many of those in this part of Alabama. So this land's kind of, I guess you could say that it would be from Sasquatch territory, because it's 40,000 acres. You know, there's not, you know, there's a, it's mountains and, you know, lakes and and the Tennessee River. And this would have been in 2017, it had to be. Because 2016, I bolted two discs in my back and I couldn't, and I didn't get to hunt

at all that year. But, um, 2017, I'm sitting in a tree, um, on the side of this mountain. And I've hunted the same spot or this side of this mountain. for, you know, three or four years since I moved down to that city and, you know, and I'd hunted it a bunch before that, too. But, you know, I never had anything really go on. But this day I'm sitting there and I'm, once again, I'm, you know, hardly ever, you know, most of the time you get together with your hunt buddies and y'all go hunting.

Well, this is another one of those instances where I'm by myself. By yourself, yeah. I'm probably, I'm about 120 yards from the top of the mountain. So I've climbed a long ways up here And I get up in the tree And I'm sitting there And this is an evening hunt So I got in the tree about 2 o'clock

And here in Alabama It starts in the wintertime It starts getting dark Around 4.30 And by 5 you know Well, when you're in the woods At 4.30 you have to have a lot to walk out of the woods And by 5 o'clock it's pitch black

No matter where you are. So about 2 o'clock I'm sitting here in the tree stand. I'm surveying the land looking. I can see where I'm at in this sand. I can see 200 or 250 yards. And so I've got a pretty good vantage point here. I hear what sounds like a bulldozer

coming through the woods behind me. And so I jump up, I turn around, and I'm trying to look and see what this is. And when I'm thinking, you know, it's a buck chasing a doe. And he's coming to the woods, you know, he don't care how much noise he makes. He's chasing this dough. You know, he's waiting on her to stop.

And, you know, my heart's racing. I'm just waiting on her to come out so that he'll come out behind her. And it's coming to the woods, and then it stops and it's quiet. And it's quiet for a minute or two. And then it takes off again. And it's moving from the right to the left about probably, I would say, around, you know, if you're looking at the clock and I'm looking at 10, 12 o'clock, he's at 1.30 when I first hear him. And it's, and it's moving, you know, pretty quick through these, through the, the brush, the trees. It's probably 75 to 100 yards behind me, which behind the stand, it's fairly thick. And so, you know, that way, when I'm sitting in my stand looking down the mountain, you know, I don't really have to worry about watching behind me because I can't really see more than probably 20 yards. And, but out in front of me, like I said, I could see 200, 250.

yards. You know, I can almost see the bottom of the mountain. I'm watching behind me, just staring up, trying to, you know, spot this deer. And like I said, it got quiet for maybe two minutes, and then it would move again. And when it's moving, it's only moving 20 yards at a time. So it's not covering a lot of ground. This time, it's a little closer, but it's still moving to the left. And I can see small trees moving. And I'm like, that, gum, man, this thing's huge. You know, this is a big old book. And I'm getting excited.

And like I said, my heart's raising. I'm getting bug fever. I'm starting to shake all over. I'm, you know, I'm ready for this deer to come out, you know. And it can be quiet for a minute or two. And then it moves again. Now it's about 12 o'clock in front of me. And the whole, you know, and every time it moves, it's just, you know,

I got it sounds like a freaking bulldozer. And, I mean, it sounds like it's tearing the trees apart. And it keeps them. going, and it does this over and over and over. This goes on for 10 to 12 minutes. This thing, just tearing the woods up, stopping. Turn the woods up, stopping. And, you know, I'm still saying I haven't sheltered the gun yet

just because I haven't seen the doing yet. The last place I see a tree shake, and it goes quiet. It's right beside this old, dead oak turn. And it's quiet for a second. And I'm just sitting here, and I'm like, if this thing don't turn and come my way, it's going to go down in this draw. And I'm never going to get to see it.

it and you know i'm gonna miss this deer you know it sounds huge there's i've never heard one come through the woods like this you know and so now i'm kind of getting you know my my my drumming rush is going away here i'm getting down and out and then all of a sudden i hear the bark get torn off of this tree have you ever heard you know the one that sounds like when the bark is just ripped off of a tree yeah kind of that shredding sound yeah it's just It's loud and it's just, it's crazy sounding. And it's not just, you know, the one time. It just starts ripping this bark off the street.

And it's, you know, just like it's going circles around the tree, just ripping the bark off. And, you know, in this part of Alabama, we don't have bears. We don't have mountain lines, so they say. We don't have, you know, we don't have anything that has, you know, claws or hands, you know what I mean? Like, that could rip bark off the trees. Yeah.

Wouldn't make any sense hearing it. Yeah, no, I understand. And this happens for five minutes. You know, it just turned. I mean, just continuously, just ripping bark off this tree. And at this time, I'm just, I'm puzzled. I'm, I can't figure, I can't have, I don't have any logical explanation to what's doing this.

And then, you know, after about five minutes, it just goes quiet. I don't hear it turns in the woods. I don't hear, I don't hear anything. It's just silence. And so I stood in there for a little while longer, just, you know, waiting to see what might happen. And then finally, you know, nothing's happened. So I turn around and I'll sit down for a second. And I'm just like, wow, that was, you know, that was the strangest thing I've ever heard in the woods.

So I sit there for a little while longer. By this time, it's, you know, 2.30, you know, something like that. Like I said, at 4.30, I'm not going to be able to see in the woods without my light. So I start thinking, you know, I don't know what that is. And I don't know where it's at. And I really do not want to be in these woods after the sun goes down. Because, you know, I'm going to have to turn my light on.

And so whatever this is is going to know exactly where I'm at. And I have no idea where it's at. So I just made the decision right now. I'm going to the truck. And I've got a good, I don't know, hours and a half walk to the truck. Because the way it's set up, you've got to park on the side of the road. Then you've got to walk across this field. And then you start up the mountain.

And, you know, I'm thinking, you know, I got a long way to go. So it's time to go, you know, before the sun even starts to sit. You know, I get up, climb down the stand, and I just go. I'm not really worried about making noise. I'm not really worried about either. I'm just going. And because I don't, you know, if this is a bear, if this is a mountain land, if it's anything like that, I don't want to be in the woods after dark with it. So, you know, I'm gone.

And I get to the truck. Actually, drive home, takes me about 45 minutes to get home. I walk in. My wife, you know, it's not dark yet. She looks at me. She's like, what are you doing at home? And I'm like, I don't know, just, you know, just, you know, they didn't want to hunt tonight. and see you know which is weird because you know that's not who i am you know normally if i'm going

hunting i'm not going to be home till six or seven at night because you know i just i love being in the woods i've been in the woods my whole life you know it's not like me to just not go hunting if i have time to go hunting did you ever go back and examine that area where it was ripping apart the the uh the bark or do you fear to leave well enough alone no actually no i never did go up there I didn't really want to. You know, it's kind of one of those things like, you know, you don't want to, you don't want to see what was actually happening because, once again, I don't want to stop hunting.

You know what I mean? I just not know and just saying, okay, well, whatever that was, you know, I'm still alive, it's still alive, everybody's happy, you know. Yeah, I get it. I get what you mean. So did you ever go back to that area, or I know you probably still hunt today? I'm assuming. Well, very, very rarely.

Yeah, it's, it's a, and I'll explain that with the next encounter. And so I've actually, I've been there one time since then, and I had a buddy with me. And, um, because I, I made the decision that, you know, like I said, I don't know what that was. But if I'm going back there, you know, I'm going to have somebody else with me that has, you know, They also have a gun, you know, but yeah, only one time that I had a good buddy of mine with me, which he doesn't know. You know, this is the story about the tree falling and the story about, you know, this thing coming to the woods, bulldozer. You're the only person I've ever told. Because after what happened with the first, you know, time, I just, you know, I didn't tell anybody.

The next encounter happened on another piece of property that's also a public lamp. It's a small game hunt where you can only hunt squirrels, rabbits, and birds and stuff like that. But two weeks out of the year, during both seasons, they opened it to bow hunters to come in and hunt deer. And I hunted it with a buddy of mine, you know, probably three or four days, morning and evening every day this week. and he was a car salesman and he had to go back to work on the Saturday. So I wait by myself. And this place, it's covered in deer. I took my wife out there.

And, you know, you'll have 40 deer walk out in front of you. And you just pick what's when you want and shoot it. Well, this day, which we had a bad drought that summer. And so this place is a swamp. And if you go there, like this time of the year, it's been raining for two months. non-stop. If you go there, this time of the year, you know, you can't even get in it because it's just solid underwater. But that year, this would have been 2018. We had a bad drought. It hardly rained at all. So the swamp was actually dried up. And so that Saturday morning, I had

decided that I was going to go further in than we'd ever went before because I could get back there because the water's going. And so I go in and it's about I'd say three hours from my truck. It's how far I went back up in there. And I had to cross some creeks. I had to, you know, jump across a couple of big trees that had fell. You know,

it's a pretty rough trying to get back in there. And, you know, plus, you're in a swamp, so it's not completely dry. You know, a swamp never really completely dries out. So it's real sticky mud. And I finally get to where I can see a good long ways, and I climb up a tree. And like I said, I got a 30-foot rope that touches to my bow and my backpack.

So I climb until that rope starts to tug on my stand, and then I set my stand. I pull up my backpack and my bow, and I screw in my bow hook, I screw in my backpack hook, and I set everything up. And this is right at 2 o'clock. Like I said, the evening hook I want to get in there at 2 o'clock, and then I want to sit until after dark and then climb down, go to the house. As soon as I sit down, I hear. where I'm sitting, I can see, I could probably see a hundred yard dollar around me.

And as soon as I sit down, I start hearing this scream slash grunt sound. And it sounds like it's right in front of me. But I can't see what it is. But it's right there somewhere. and it screams, I would say, 15 to 20 times. And from the first time it screams until the fourth or fifth time it screams, I'm, I am scared. Like, I've, you know, I've never been scared in the woods.

You know, there's almost not anything that I am scared of, except for this sound. when this thing starts screaming, I immediately start shaking. My heart's pounding. You know, I feel sink in my stomach. You know, I don't know what this is. And I'm scared to death. And the only thing I can think to do is I've got to go.

I've got to leave right now. I've got to, you know, I've got to get my stuff. I've got to go. And even, you know, I'm 30 foot up in the tree. You know, I'm, you know, 30 foot up. There's nothing, even if there was a barrier where a mountain, it starts climbing up the tree. You know, all I got to do is shoot it, you know, just shoot it off the tree, you know. Yeah.

But, you know, I don't, you know, I've heard Bobcat scream. I've actually had them right under my stand, you know, and scream at me before daylight. You know, and, yeah, you almost mess your bridges. I've been out there and heard foxes scream and, you know, but I know what those are. You know, I've heard them my whole life, you know, and. yeah, a fox makes some pretty crazy noises, you know. But this was, this was, you know, I don't know what it was. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't a dog.

It wasn't a coyote. It wasn't, this was, I could tell whatever this was, it was big and it was angry. And all I knew was I had to leave right then. I had to get either out of its territory, off of its property, I had to get away. And so I stood up, I grabbed my bow in my backpack, and I dropped them to the ground, which is, you know, a big no-no for a hunter to do. But I dropped them, and I started climbing down. I left the hooks in the tree. You know, they're probably still there today.

I started climbing down. Luckily, my stand unhooked very quickly. you know, most people would say, you know, I let the stand sitting there, but it's the only stand I got, and I love the way it sit up. I love the way I can recline in it, and, you know, and enjoy the woods. I unhooked it as quick as I could. By the time I hit the grill, the thing stopped screaming. And at this point, all I'm thinking is, whatever you are, just give me time to get my stuff, and I'm leaving. You know, I'm gone. You know, don't come after me. Don't, you know, well, I thought one side of my, you know, the stand, way they're set up, you can hook them together, you know, and put bungee straps around them,

and then, you know, you can hook your backpack onto them and then throw it on your back because it has backpack straps. And you can, you know, walk and it's pretty comfortable. Well, I just threw one on one arm, through the other on the other arm. I grab my backpack, grab my bow, and I started going as quick fast as I could. Like I said, I'm in a swamp. I can't move too quick, but I'm moving as fast as I can. I have moot boots on, which, you know, walking in muds, muds,

It's not the sticky muds. You know, they slip off really easy. I've done thought to myself, hey, if you lose your boots, oh, well, we don't have time to stop. You know, we're going. We're getting. And so, you know, I get to the truck. Finally, you know, I just throw everything in the bed of the truck.

You know, not worried about anything. I just throw it in there. I jump in the truck and I go home. Well, once again, I've come home and it's still daylight outside. It's probably 3 o'clock. Well, probably 3.30, you know. And my wife's like, what are you doing home? home and I was like, I just, I didn't want to go hunting today.

I just didn't feel like hunting. You know, and she's like, you know, no, what's going on? You know, I'm like, I just, I didn't want to hunt. I don't want to hunt today. And I just kind of went, you know, I went in the living room, sit on my cat, you know, sitting this spot where I always sit and just turn the TV on and watch TV. You know, I didn't want to have to think about anything. I wanted to get that out of my mind because at this time I'm still, you know, I'm still afraid.

I'm still, you know, shaking. and it's just I've never heard anything like that in my life. You know, I don't want to see what was making that noise. You know, in the first encounter I had, you know, I wasn't scared of that thing. It wasn't, you know, it was big, but I never felt. I was more weirded out and kind of confused than I was scared. You know, the tree falling, yeah, that just kind of freaked me out because the tree shouldn't fall unless something makes it fall. and the bulldozer, you know, coming through the woods.

That one kind of scared me, but, you know, once again, I sprained out. This thing, this was, this was fear. This was, you know, this was fear. I've lived, I've had some pretty paranormal, weird stuff happened to me through my life. And, you know, that scared me. But this was a fear, like, I've never, you know, I've never felt that. I've never felt it before, and I haven't felt it since then. And just the way that scream made me feel inside.

Like it was, like I said, it sounded like it was in my face screaming at me. And I could just feel it. You know, and I, you know, today I was thinking about it, you know, as I, you know, trying to relive it so that I can, you know, talk about it. And I don't know, man, it just, it messes with me. Yeah, no, I get it. I get what you mean. And I'm glad that you are an experience center.

because a lot of times people hear foxes and coyotes, like he said, and bobcats. A lot of them make really bizarre coyotes. As you and I were talking earlier, coyotes make some weird noises, man. You would think some of the noises I've heard coyotes make, you're like, what in the world is that? So you know those noises, and this wasn't anything like that. And obviously, it was a powerful scream to get you to pack up and get out of there as quickly as possible. So you feel like the scream was directed at you? It was meant for you.

Yeah, I feel like it watched me climb that tree and it, you know, and it didn't want me there. And it was, you know, I didn't ever hear anything like the Minespeak they talk about and all that. I didn't hear anything. But it was telling me to leave. And I felt that. You know, I felt it saying leave. You know, you don't belong here, you know, leave. And the way I, the, you know, the way I.

I felt the way I was, you know, shaken and just scared to death, that's, you know, I knew I had to leave. Yeah, it is terrifying, man, especially when you're by yourself because you're not quite sure what's going to happen. You know, what are the intentions and what is this saying and why is it going off on me? I can kind of see why your hunting game is now hit and miss, especially after these encounters, you know. What do you think that they are? what's kind of your opinion as far as what these things are? I think, I truly believe it's an animal, you know, that it's a flesh and blood animal that lives here and it's learned to stay as far from humans as it can, you know, even though, you know, sometimes, you know, it gets spotted or it does things, you know, or, you know, we venture into its territory and then it has to, you know, say, it has to come out and, you know, say, hey, it's time to leave, you know. you know, I don't see, I don't buy into the, you know, that it can, that it's interdimensional or that it can go through portals or any of that because if it could do that, then, then why do we get to see it?

If it can do that kind of stuff, then why did that one even scream at me? You know, it could have just left. You know, it could have just vanished or what I mean? Or the one that I seen, or the one that pushed the tree over. Why even push the tree over? You know, I mean, you know, if you can just go to a different dimension or just, you know, go somewhere else, then just go. Leave me alone, you know. You don't have to ruin my hunt.

Just go, you know. And so, you know, I believe that it's, that it's an animal, that it's a flesh and blood animal that just lives here. And people, you know, want to say, well, you know, why can't we catch up with it? Well, look back through time. This thing was here before, you know, with the Indians. You know, it coincided with the Indians. You know, they, you know, stayed away from each other and just kind of did their own things. And then the white man shows up and it sees what we did to the Indians, pretty much almost wiped them out.

And then we, you know, make them walk through the Trail of Tears, you know, for a couple hundred miles and make them, you know, live on this reservation we gave them. I'm sure that they watched that happen. And so they're just like, hey, we need to stay away from, you know, these lighter-skinned people because, you know, they're not, you know, know, they're not good for us. They're not nice. They're not, you know, they're going to, they might do us the same way they did the Indians. You know, so that, you know, just like, you know, like Ron Moorhead says they have a language that they can speak to each other. You know, that could have been passed down generation, generation, you know, stay away from people. Yeah. No, I understand what you mean. I definitely understand what you mean. And you make some good arguments, that's for sure. I wanted to ask you, weren't you telling me your grandmother had a light story? Yeah. I know that we talk about the lights on the show from time to time. And I'm kind of curious. What did your grandmother tell you about the lights?

Well, my grandmother, her dad, so my great-grandfather was a Cherokee Indian. And the property that I was talking about earlier that I had, he owned 10,000 acres. All of my grandmother's family lived on that 10,000, you know, spread out around the 10,000 acres. and she was telling me they had trails that went through the woods that went to someone's house and aunt and uncle's house and you know who you know they had trails through the woods that were that would go that would go their houses well um she said late at night they would um and she had uh nine brother and sisters there were ten of them all together and she said at night whenever they would leave like let's say your aunt and uncle's house

they would, you know, start going through the trail and, you know, it's dark. You know, they didn't have power. They didn't have, you know, they might have had a lantern, but they undoubtedly they didn't have one with them. And she said that these balls of light would come out of the woods and they would stay kind of in the woods, but they would stay, you know, close enough to where they would have light to be able to walk home. And they would never come out of the woods.

Like when they got to the edge of the woods and they could see their house, you know, the kids would just run up to the house. and the balls of light would stay in the woods and then they would just go back off in the woods. And, you know, this is, I was, let's see, my grandma passed away when I was, oh, 14, 15. And so, and this was way before then. I was seven, eight years old when she was telling me this story.

So I didn't ever really ask a lot of questions. You know what I mean? You know, it was just a strange story that she was telling me. but she said that they would do that all the time that they would you know every time they were walking from one house to the other these balls of light would come out and kind of light the path and she was telling me one time they were out and she said they were about the size of a basketball and they didn't you know it wouldn't like they were bright and you couldn't look at them you know they just gave off enough light that you could follow it you know and she said that her older older brother decided that he was going to he was going to find out what one of them was and so when not they're walking through the woods

and they get to the edge of the woods you know whether they would normally just run up to the house and he turned around and jumps on one of them and he's going to catch it and find out what it is and she said that it's kind of hard to explain it she had a hard time explaining it too but she said that when he jumped on it

it kind of, it's almost like it sucked him into it. And it, it was almost like it stretched and deformed and, you know, it just, it kind of went haywire. And then it, then he hits the ground and then it run off in the woods or,

you know, hovered off in the woods, however you want to look at it. And then they just took off running up to the house. And he had what looked like, like burn marks on his arms and his hands and stuff where he'd grabbed a hold of it. And she said after that, they never seen them again. They just, they never came back again.

That's really, really fascinating. Most Native Americans will tell you to stay away from them. But I've actually talked to a few that said that they are spirits and on and on and on. That's fascinating, though, he jumped on that on that, you know, and that he was actually injured by it. Yeah. It's strange, you know, here's your grandmother telling, you know, I'm sure your grandmother was an older woman. But, you know, no one was talking about the balls of light back then, and here she is talking about them, you know, what we, what people see today. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, this would have been when she was little. So this would have been in the, I guess, the 1920s, 1930s.

Yeah, yeah, I always, I always kind of wondered, you know, which, you know, him being, I guess a young boy, you know, we're kind of, I guess we're kind of brave when we're young, you know, and he wanted to find out what it was. and, you know, she said that the way it, when he jumped in it, it was like he disappeared inside it. Like, it sucked him in. And but, you know, it's like, it's, you know, like I said, it's hard to explain. And I wish I could, remember exactly how she explained it, you know, but, and she said, you know, and all of a sudden he come out and hit the ground on his back and then it just took off, you know, it's just great, you know, I've heard, you know, I heard people talking about it, you know, I've heard people on the show talk about it, you know, and, you know, it's just, I've never seen one, but it's just a very weird, I don't know, they're just strange.

I, you know, I have no idea what they even could be. Yeah. You know, it kind of makes you think that it could have been a spirit, you know, because maybe it was, like if it's, you know, I passed away, you know, like I said, my grandfather, my great grandfather was a full-blooded Cherokee Indian, you know, maybe it was, you know, it could have been spirits from Cherokee Indians that had passed away. And they were, you know, that's why they were helping the kids light, lot to trail. to where they could get back home or something, you know, I mean, that kind of makes sense, but at the same time, if that was, if that's the thing, then, you know, then why, you know, we should be seeing them everywhere, you know. Yeah, the one thing that's fascinating is I did talk to a witness one time that did touch one, and he described very similar to what your

grandmother said. He said he had burn marks from it, almost like, um, I'm trying to remember this so long ago. He was talking about how it wasn't like touching a stove, but afterwards he had the injuries of like he touched a hot stove. But he said at the time, it wasn't hot. It wasn't, you know, and I could see a kid jumping on it. But I mean, an adult, because I've seen the lights and I was like, I'm not getting within 10 feet of that thing.

You know, I'll sit and film it and watch it. And I don't know what the hell it is. I'm glad he wasn't seriously injured. You know what I mean? Yeah. So you don't really hunt anymore? You just kind of give up on, or is it kind of hit and mess? I've actually told, I told my wife, and I've told my three boys, I said, and then my nephew, too, I've told them, I said, look, if y'all want to go, I'll take you.

But, you know, I just, it's almost like, and the bad part, and the worst part about it is, is I hunt, I kill deer, squirrels, you know, if we have a hunting season for it, I hunt it, and I kill it, and we eat it. You know, I used to kill, you know, four or five deer a year and we'd eat the meat all year long. You know, and then we live right off the Tennessee River. We fish all the time. We catch the fish. I clean them. You know, we put, you know, we start the freezer full of wild game. You know, you don't really have to go to the grocery store.

But, you know, since the past two or three years, you know, it's just not that, I'm just not that into it. You know, I've had too many things happen that just make me, I've realized I really don't know what's out there. I'm not the big, the big bad hunter anymore. You know what I mean? I'm, you know, I'm the, there's something out there that could get me, you know, and I don't like that. Yeah, and that's understandable. I think a lot of times with hunters, generally with hunters, and I've said this a million times on the show, but you kind of, they do get more of an aggression. I think from these things.

You'll hear a lot of fishermen talk about encounters and they're getting hit with rocks and they can't figure out where the rocks are coming from. Or they'll be out in their boat and, you know, it'll be thrown softball size rocks in the water next to the boat. And they kind of do the same thing to hunters. I think it's generally more aggressive with hunters. But it goes to show you, too, that I think in all those situations, if they really wanted you, they would have grabbed you out of that tree and had their way. And I think a lot of their behavior in those situations, don't get me wrong. My personal opinion is I think you are in danger around these things. But I think most of their behavior is to frighten you to get you to go.

Like knocking the tree over, you know. And you definitely hear that sort of behavior of them doing those sorts of things. And I think they just want you gone. They don't want you to be there anymore. You know, if the intention is to get you, you get out of that tree stand, grab your tree stand, your backpack, your bow, you're easy pickings at that point. And the fact that it didn't really go after you

makes me think it was more of a territorial. I don't want you here, and I'm going to frighten you to make you leave. And I've heard that scream when I was in Texas. And if it's, if what I heard is what you heard, you're right. It is terrifying to hear it. It's, it's powerful. You feel it as much as you hear it.

and and I can't tell you why I think this, but like when I was in Texas and we experienced a scream, for some reason I was thinking female or, you know, more of a, it was loud and deep, don't get me wrong, but there was some weird tone to it to where I thought female, but it was pissed. It was pissed and it was screaming at us and it was directed at us. Yeah, yeah, I mean, this, you know, it wasn't, you know, like the Ohio, Ohio or anything. You know, it was just a really short, just loud burst of just, you know, anger. Yeah, it was definitely telling me, you know, hey, you don't belong here. Get out of the woods, you know, and so, you know, that's definitely what I did. Yeah.

And that's the thing with the scream, I don't let me cut you off, but that's the thing with the scream. You're right. It's what I heard in Texas was anger. It wasn't fright. It wasn't fear. It was pissed. but I hope I hope that I don't you know never have to run into it again you know I try not to actually last year I joined a hunting lease and I actually you know a big mountain side and all this stuff and

I didn't hunt it much but when I did I stayed in the field and I stayed you know and I feel like I went for saying this but this is how much of an effect it's had on me you know I used to you know I'd climb outside of a mountain to go hunting, you know, and if I'd killed a deer, I'd have fun getting it out. But, you know, I stayed in the field, you know, 50 yards from the truck. You know, I didn't, and I was, and I was facing the woods, you know, the, I was in a blind, you know, with the road behind me, 50 yards behind me. I'm in the field, you know, there's a little strip of trees behind me, you know, kind of blind, you know, to help with the blind, you know, to camouflage me. and I watched the field. I didn't really go in the woods.

Just because, you know, I want to hunt. I love to hunt. You know, I love the whole experience, you know, but at the same time, I really don't want to run into one of these again. Yeah, I understand that. I understand that. I had a hunter on, I think it was called the hunting lease,

and he was kind of saying the same thing after his experiences, he would, you know, be close to the hunting cabin, and, you know, not great areas to hunt, but he still wanted to hunt. I completely get that. You know, my advice would be to get back out there. Can they be dangerous? Yes. Can they be aggressive?

Absolutely. Can they kill you? Absolutely. But I think most of the time it's more or less behavior to frighten you, to get you to leave, to get you to, and they do a good job of it. You know what I mean? They do a good job of it. But, you know, I would try and get back out there.

I say that being very hypocrite about it because I understand exactly the way you feel. You know, you don't, it kind of takes that away from me. It takes away the woods being a peaceful place to go clear your head. It strips you of that, you know, or hunting that you love to hunt. But, you know, I would try and slowly get back out there. I think a lot of what you experienced was go away. Not necessarily I'm going to kill you, but just. go away, you know, and I think he did the right thing. Just leave. And I tell people, don't push it,

just leave. Yeah. Well, you know, that's, that's just, that's part of our human nature, you know, if you're in a battle that you're not going to win, you know, if you walk up on a line, you know, in Africa, you know, you're, you're going to run. You know, you're not, you're not, you're not going to face off with it. Yeah. Yeah, like these things, man, you're not going to go toe-toe with one of them. You're going to lose. But you have. But you have to, to let me know if you end up getting back out there, man. And if anything else happens to you, and I know you haven't shared this encounter or these encounters very much.

And I'm honored you would come on and share them. And thank you again for coming on. And thanks for being a part of the show, ma'am. Well, yeah, man, I appreciate the opportunity. And I just want to say thank you to you for, you know, I love listening to the encounters. I love listening to people, you know, tell their stories. And, you know, I'd never, I never even do what podcasts

where until my nephew last year, you know, got me to listen and then, because he wanted to be then. He said, you need to email him and tell him, you know, you could go on the show. And I was like, I ain't doing that, you know, and but, you know, here I am doing it. But I just want to say thanks to you for, you know, what's you doing, giving people, you know, a way to talk, you know, without being ridiculed. You know, it's good. It's nice to have that. Yeah, I appreciate you saying that. Thanks again, man. All right. Thanks. And that's it for tonight. Everyone remember a P-Fand-Incounter.

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