Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:65 Three Sasquatch encounters

Episode Date: December 14, 2014

We will be speaking to three guests. The first guest talks about an encounter he had when he was a child and hunting with his father. The Sasquatch attack and killed his dog. The second guest discusses an encounter he had with his wife while camping. The Sasquatch came up to the camper and screamed at them while their baby was crying. The final guest discusses running into a Sasquatch while him and his friend were walking home.

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They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle. I know what a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was given. Everyone, what are you reporting? Sir?

See them. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? This son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at it. Uh-oh.

Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. And I wanted to thank all of the people that supported us. our endeavor to expand the show and our website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance, go over there and check it out. One of the first things I wanted to talk about was the,

do you guys see this encounter with a truck driver in Florida? That site's wiped a big foot. I know there's a lot of truck drivers out there that don't drink when they're driving 18 wheeler. But this guy copped up to drinking. And he admitted to probably. drinking too much. Probably not a good thing. Well, not a good thing in his story, but not a good thing in period, you know, when you're driving an 18-wheeler. He claims he was drinking too much.

He knew the road he was going down. He knew exactly where he needed to be, where he was going, and he was driving, and he struck what he thought was a person. And so he's in his truck. He's like, oh, no, I just hit someone. I'm sure he put his vodka down, put it in park, got out of the truck and it was i don't know if he's drinking vodka i just made that part of the story up but anyway he gets out of his truck and he looks back like 50 feet and this guy's lying in the middle of the road and it looks up at him and he said it looked like a gorilla the face looked like a gorilla as they make eye contact it stands up and when it stands up this thing stood like 10 feet 10 feet tall when it actually stood up he freaks out he jumps in his truck and drives off

So either A, this guy actually hit a Sasquatch Or B, he was drinking some hell of a drink And committed manslaughter We're still looking into the story That would either make you Drink a whole lot more or stop drinking completely He mentioned, you know, a lot of its trucker buddies admitted to seeing the same creature on that road

So I'm thinking, well, goodness, are they all drinking the same thing Or, you know, maybe there's really something out there They'd say what part of the country that was? Florida. Yeah, it's one of the blogs. It's on December 9th, Florida truck driver sides wipes Bigfoot on the blog

on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. But the guy talks about when he got back in his cab that it lent out a horrible scream that terrified him. He said it was higher than a woman's scream. It was just an odd scream. And he got in his truck and he drove off. Just an odd story.

You know, if it's a true story, you know, even when you're drinking a lot, you know, and I don't want to, let me sit back in my chair here for a moment. You know, I've drank a lot in my life. And I can out, I can out drink the best of them out there. But I've never drank and then thought I hit a gorilla, heard it scream, get back in my car, get back in my car, and drive off. I don't think in my drunken moments, you don't become, you don't have this delus

about you. A lot of people hear this story and go, oh, well, he was drinking, you know, who the hell knows what he saw. It's kind of like the guy in the graveyard we were talking about, the guest we had on last week. He didn't actually smoke any weed, but they were smoking weed, the gang members he was with. And even with weed, I just don't see how someone would smoke, and I guess unless it's laced with something else, I don't see someone smoking weed and having these delusions of grandeur that they're running into an eight, nine, ten feet

tall gorilla. I just don't see it. Yeah, I wouldn't think that THC or alcohol are necessarily hallucinogen. The other thing I wanted to talk about, did you guys also see the posts that I did? I'm going to make another comment about the website real quick. I'm going to go off track and

digress here for a moment. You can tell when Will does a blog and you can tell when for well even Shannon's blogs are better than mine but you can tell like when Will and Shannon do a blog and then when I do a blog their blogs are usually really intelligent blogs and my blogs are always like oh hey look here's a picture of a monkey dancing around I don't know if anyone else notices that I hadn't noticed that

I want to see the monkey dancing around darn it no but one of them was the male gorilla growling at this kid. And I don't even really know what set the male gorilla off. But this little kid is behind glass and he has like a piece of paper or something. And then you see this male gorilla just go off and it roars. And what I had posted up on the blog was when you hear that, imagine that 100 times louder and 100 times deeper.

And that's kind of the roar that you hear or that I've heard out there. and you hear other people describe that lion's roar it almost kind of becomes a lion's roar when it comes, if you take that gorilla's roar, give it 100 times louder, 100 times deeper, it almost kind of becomes like a lion's roar.

Yeah, it's probably the closest thing that everyone can relate to, you know, in sound. But I noticed you had posted your casting guide up on the blog, Will, do you want to talk a little bit about that? I get a lot of people that ask about footprint

casting and you know it's funny being friends with the hind and the green and people like that you would think they would have somebody would have shown me how to cast and and none of them did so back in the mid-80s when I really started finding some good tracks in southern Washington actually not far from you less I had no idea how to cast so I went bought some plaster and thought I knew what I was doing and when I went to pull the cast out of the dirt they broke all the pieces, a million pieces, totally ruined. So I found out how to properly cast, and it's a little bit more in-depth than people might think. I mean, it's not something that's fast or clean. So I just put together a little guide, and I do a lot of casting of bear and all kinds of other

animal tracks, too, because I don't want to have just Bigfoot tracks. I want to have all kinds of casts for comparison purposes and things. What I did is I put it on the website, and And there's just, it's a list of things that I would recommend to have. And I don't know if you want me to go into them or not, but this is from my own experience, things like if you get, I think plaster comes in boxes that are four and a half pound boxes. And it typically takes one of those boxes, a whole box to cast one footprint. You know, a knife, you have to actually dig the cast out when it's dried. And when you cast a track, even in good conditions, it still takes a,

hour plus for it to dry properly enough to get the cast out. And then you don't get this perfect print when it comes out of the dirt. It's all covered with, you know, a couple of inches of dirt. And it really takes, I spend a couple of weeks cleaning all the dirt out as to prevent any of the detail being brushed off because plaster is soft for a long time. It really takes a long time for it to dry out. Anyway, take a look at the guide that I put up here and it'll really help. I mean, and you want to practice on things like even if it's the dog or cat's tracks,

you know, no amount of practice hurts, you know, until you get it down and then go out and find the real thing and you'll have a much better cast or casts when you're finished. No, the other person I wanted to think was on Facebook, and I don't know how this guy got this name. You know, Facebook's been cracking down on if your first name's real or your last name's real. This guy's, his name on Facebook is Bigfoot one. T-shirts, and he sent us an article. I threw it up on the blog.

It's just so I look smart compared to you guys, but it's the Canadian Monster Men of 1935. And it was a really cool newspaper article back in the 30s when they were talking about Sasquatch. A lot of people think, well, the boom of Roger Patterson and the Bob Gimlin of the Patty film caused this huge sensation on people seeing these creatures everywhere. there's a lot more to it.

Even way before the 60s, there's a lot of encounter stories and really good encounter stories. All the way back to 1811 was the first, or 1818, one of those two I can never remember. That's the first actually news article written, published anywhere on the East Coast. And when I wrote notes from the field, that was one of the chapters.

And what I wanted to do with that chapter was go through and demonstrate from, you know, that time period before 1820, each decade had articles. I mean, I think I used an example, two or three per decade, but it was consistent all the way to the Patterson filming. So, yeah, these stories go way back and then before all that,

Spanish missionaries were recording incidents, or not incidents, but accounts from the natives 300 years ago. So the history is continuous. all the way back into unrecorded times. Up on the website, we have behind the scenes to where we're going to be talking, we talk about different types. And I know a lot of people really like the behind the scenes that we do, the videos that we plug in.

So we're going to be putting much, much more than what you see up there now. There's going to be a lot of, I know Will goes into the different types. And that's one of the big questions we seem to get all the time, is people want to break down of the types. And so, you get a chance to check it out. We'll be talking about the different types, different subspecies of these creatures, and we'll be going into that. Yeah, I got a little bit of clarification

from our friend Mr. Black on that. So it's a little clearer now how those four types fit together. You know, I got somebody sent me this, and it's supposed to be a letter written by a man named H.A. Miller, who's now deceased. The man was born in 1909. And just briefly, I mean, the story on the blog in its entirety, but this letter was supposedly written by him and talks about how he grew up and how he was educated and got involved with the Forest Service. The man apparently was Yale and Harvard educated. And they talk about him being involved in early genetic experiments that led to the discovery of the double helix system of DNA in the early 50s and things like that.

but he was called in when supposedly in an area called Bandera County, Texas, when forestry scientists reportedly had the bodies of a strange type of human. And they thought it was members of the Comanche Indian tribes in that area, but as it panned out, it wasn't. There were three bodies, all three female, one adult, two young ones. One of them was actually still alive. but he goes into talking about these things and it's pretty interesting

I mean you know personally I don't know I'm on the fence I mean it could be it could be a true letter it could be misinformation but a lot of the information seems to fit with what we do know about these creatures you know I mean he goes into great detail about teeth and how they're designed

and things like that I mean there's just a lot of information I mean we could probably spend an hour talking about just this but I'd really encourage everyone to go up to the blog and take a look at this. It's pretty interesting. Yeah, that wasn't an interesting story, especially when he talks about the different types, different subspecies, goes into their teeth, goes into how they behave. I mean, I've went into a hell of a lot of detail. Yeah, what strikes me, especially, you know, is at the end of the letter, he talks about this species is amazing, powerful, and deadly if angered.

It's like any animal that protect itself. It's food source and it's young at all cost. And And we've heard things like that and all these accounts when people talk to us about their encounters. You know, so there's plenty in here that fits. I mean, there's some things that I'd like to double check on, but it's pretty interesting stuff. I mean, they talk about, you know, when he talks about the teeth, the first on the lower jaw being really large. And I know from what you said, your encounter, in my encounter, I noticed how big the jaw was. And you could look at the Patterson film and things like that and see how large the jaw is on these things. And he said specifically designed for bone crushing.

So they knew they were omnivorous and would be opportunistic feeders and predatory. So they were able to tell a lot about, you know, if this is true, of course. Yeah, there's a lot of details in that story. Well, we have Michael from the Boston area on. He's got a number of encounters he wants to talk to us about. Cool. I want to welcome Mike to the show. How are you guys doing?

Pretty good, buddy. How are you tonight? I'm okay. I'm doing well. I'm doing on. What all do you have for us this evening? Oh, I got a few things this evening. At the beginning of my interest in it and how it became an interest in from there.

Sure, we can do that. Yeah. Okay. I was, and I'll just say that I have been into the subject for literally like 25 years, my really good woodsman was 40 years and basically loved the woods made me someone who

we go out and I actually go with him on hunting days my mother did not want me going into the woods I just become a liked it at the time and one day on the way back we were actually scouting for I'll know if any of you guys

a hunt as I've listened to the show back from scout we um third season I believe so he um On the way back in there, you want to scout out some places for a treat. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Daniel. Sure. Okay.

To another human, you know, if it saw a human, it would run up and play, you know, try to play. We were leaving the area. And, you know, I was nine at the time. Nine of ten. I'm just to give you a time reference. We were leaving and it didn't just take off from my dad next to my dad. And we kind of saw a great glimpse. A good time.

It was unusual because it just took off. In the woods, we heard a little bit of something, but not anything to alarm us to say that there was another person coming or anything. It was strange. I hit a point. I mean, I was nine, so it was an alarm that it was quiet. Dog disappeared and, you know, make along things. Not being told. What happened, it's gone.

I hear tree, you know, breaking, branches breaking, yipping, the yipping of the dog. Not, I never got a, I never got a bark out of them. the dog. I don't remember and my father said it didn't bark either. It was more of a of a yip and nothing. My father's reaction at the time and he was a big guy. He was professional boxes. He ended up being of him being who he was. Wouldn't let me go towards the area where the um where this was happening to my daughter whatever was happening. Wouldn't let me go towards the area after the yip. I couldn't see it was a, I want to say, say a bird. They called it a blind, maybe. I don't know what they refer to it as, but I couldn't see.

My father, like I said, we had, because he was, as I remember, he was because we and I, we went to scout a certain area for the deer. The dog was, you know, he was backing me out. The dog was completely silent. I couldn't see it. My father backed me out. And he, the next thing I knew, he drew his police issued weapon, which at the time was a, it was, you know, I remember, this is a long time ago. It was a 357 that he brought with him into the woods all the time, just in case. No dare in that I mean, no, I'm trying to be good with the Boston.

No. You're doing okay, Mike. Okay, good, great. That's right. What the hell? Yeah, Will, Will's great. No, Will's been great to me, I've got to say. Shannon, do you want to, do you just want to go get a drink, want these guys finish up? Yeah, we'll let them finish here.

They haven't. No, no, everyone's walk. I enjoy all you guys. I listen to all. I listen to all the podcast numerous times, so you're all great. Oh, you're doing great, Mike. All right, Max. So anyway. Too little, too little, too late. Woody and Wesley, your story is unbelievable, by the way, it's great.

Really good. So my father drew his police-issued weapon. Like my dad, pretty many of the rain he threw. There was no need to pull the police-issued weapon. He did. He held me close. the fact that the dog, he wouldn't let me go towards the dog at the time, because you have to remember at the time the dog was actually a family pet. I couldn't get over towards it. And he

wouldn't let me, grab me, and backed us out of the woods and took us out of the woods, never really taken his eye off the area where this had happened. 50 yards, I believe. And it got 20 yards more in towards us. So I'm going to say it was 30 yards away at the time of the incident of what happened. So now we're at the point where there's no grunts and there's no, there wasn't anything like that. I recall there's a nine-year-old, as we'll have to have the incident that made me think of different things and how I got into the subject. But pretty much, you know, together, him holding me so I wouldn't get away from him. He was very good about there. I remember.

And he was mumbling stuff to himself at the time. I didn't understand a lot of it. Confusion is a nine-year-old. Austin Gas Company van. that he had perched and throwing deer in the back of the kid, and you got me to the van. That's what he said. He said, I'll always remember that part of it. Don't you did? Tell you, Mom, I'll, you know, I'll handle this part of the day.

Keep him all shut. We got home that night. And he didn't want us both off the wall, you know, well, you know, the dog, we didn't, you know, was the main thing. And, like, I didn't go into the, um, with my mother about what happened to the dog. My mother loved the dog as well, and it wasn't a hunting dog that would go by the pool or whatever. And this is why it's so last week. I don't remember a lot of the stuff surrounding the incident, but I do remember my father, my mother.

And I ease dropped a little bit. You know, my mother not happy about whatever he had explained to her at the time. He wasn't happy. My mother, excuse me, wasn't happy. I thought at the time she wasn't happy about, you know, what happened to the dog. I'm sure she wasn't, but I found out later she wasn't happy about my dad and, you know, bringing inspiration that he had put me in. For the night and me and my brother talked about it and Steve, my brother Steve was very inquisitive about it,

blah, blah, blah. So he had forced my father into taking him, my father, I'm trying to take him into the woods. All I, or three, the next, I'm going to say, say it was the next day. Obviously, my father had told my mother, it was obvious now, but the father had told my mother that we were going back to look for the, look for the dog. And what really happened was at the police state, he called my father and said he had to meet with him. It was, this afternoon, said he had to meet with them. My father used it as an excuse. I didn't know, But my father pretty much knew that the dog wasn't coming back.

You know, that was not going to happen. Call as an excuse, taking them into where we were, the area we were. I'm going to take them to a bird, you know, a bird place, a bird eat some wild game. They cook wild game up for lunch. It was a big thing. And we all got to go together. And me, my brother and my father went, but it wasn't for that this day.

It was for something. When we got there, everybody, you know, refers to it. And you, I mean, you guys heard of it, the, um, the, um, the Hock-a-Mark Swamp, Ridgewater Triangle that, you, you, are you guys familiar with that area, all three of you? Mm-hmm. Okay. That was the, um, I remember I had never been there. She was excited to check it out, uh, the whole thing.

When we got there, my father's partner was waiting there, and he said, I got to, you know, this is what, now remember, I'm young. I'm nine. I think I'm nine at the time. I want to say, I didn't, this is what's relayed to me, the words it relate to me later on and I was waiting for him, said, you to wear whatever. Me and my brother goofing around, whatever on the way, back and forth with a few other the other kids. They stopped by his wives, was a hunter too. I didn't, um, I'm not around two years older than my brother at the time.

So I'm a little older. He's allowed, you know, maybe because they were cops. They're looking at something. What where they had gone to was my father's friend's tree stand where he had put his, his tree stand in. I never understood how this guy, and it's good for later on in a couple minutes. The tree stands back then were like, everything was done differently. It was like a piece of metal, just basically a piece of metal way up in the tree. And I didn't get how this guy, this guy was big. He was six, like, I want to say six. So I remember that. And when I was with him the plowl to go over there, there was a blue, I remember this, there's a blue top kind of over the dog, which is a blue top over this thing. And as I got over to it,

I know now what the dog underneath where this man's tree, and it was my head and it was under the, I remember them talking about, you know, what did it, the whole, you know, the whole thing. Remember that. And that was the first incident that got me into, turned that my father had gotten a pretty good look at what was around and what scared him so much, and it was huge. Mike let me ask you Yep You know after you said Will was your favorite

I completely checked out Would you mind starting from the beginning What? No I like all you guys Come on, come on Is my phone okay though Is it okay?

Because I was worried about my cell phone Had a problem earlier with Will You're doing great Okay I just wanted to make sure I have a question for you Mike Yeah sure

on the, when it was, the dog had the tarp over it. Did one of the men put the tarp over the dog, or was that the way they found it? No, sorry. Dick Schwar, I'm going to say last name. Dick had what was, oh, no. Okay. He was smart enough to do that at least. I had one other question, too.

You had, you had messaged me and told me what your dad called, what he saw. Do you want to tell us about that? Are you speaking about Irma? I don't know what he called the creatures. He actually had a few names. I mean, the name that he left with my mother. When you mentioned boogers. Oh, oh, what is.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. My mother, well, that was more of a term my mother had used with my father. The boogers, yeah. She called him, that was more her thing. And then she later on called him, obviously, Star Wars. For some reason, my mother, and my mother's still around. Unfortunately, I think if you guys know, my father passed away.

And this is why this subject is pretty important to me. Come to find out, it wasn't just that lone incident that made it important to him. I found all other things. Buggers, boogeymen. And come to find out, obviously, that's a term, which is with Virginia. and there was some people down south. I know that's Virginia's Virginia. A lot of the, and weirdly enough, a lot of their first name.

Yeah, there's... Go ahead, Shannon. Oh, I'm sorry, Mike. Go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, as far as the Bridgewater Triangle, my eyebrowsing up when you said that was the area of Hockenock swamp because a lot of, you know, strange and awful things, as you know, goes on in that area of Massachusetts. Yep.

Absolutely. It's, um, it's, it really is a strange area. And I'm not into, um, just a, I, when I listen to your guys show, it's, um, obviously, I won't, I won't say too many times how much I love you guys. Um, but I, uh, I do love it. And, um, and I listen to the show and there's not a lot of, there's not a lot of, I mean, I'm not gonna, you're more likely 10 most wanted list here. And they'll run into a Sasquatch. I mean, that's the way it is. I mean, I grew up, um, you know, trouble and you are a bigfoot, a Sasquatch. My father just was into the woods. So I became familiar with these areas because of that. To people, as I think I told Will or you, Shannon, and I don't like them forth with West, I'll go around the area, get someone into it. It would either scare you enough to not be into it or totally fascinate you. And I went the fascination road, other people that are fascinated by.

it. I started interviewing people and stuff. It really bit me. Do you have one of the encounters that you'd like to share with us? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the, I don't have like Wes and Woody's story out, like the type, the class type of bunch of little, like little, like little, not the samurai chatter. More of the loud whoop, you know what I mean? another thing, obviously, the first and father didn't, he hates my mother's warnings too well or listen to her or whatever, he just still went. It's 200, well, I don't know exactly, you know, the area and pinpointed it out.

You know, numerous little things happened, and I think I was close enough to help the, it was a little bit after this incident. I just described to you guys. I was probably still not able to go hunting on your own or anything with my, dad again on the other side of the area and this was more towards um the eventually I would find out that other people had um incidents that you can actually look up a few of them I actually cut out a a newspaper article way back and I still have it strangely enough of another man who had an

kind of me heard some people do the noises on your show I but yeah it went right it went right through it went right through me I think I said to Will before, my experience is almost like a motorized, like, and believe me, I'm not saying it's robotic or anything crazy like that. I believe they're dangerous. And, you know, to think that my next incident, this thing was, it had to have been, I was out, I was out with my dad, another cop, as usual, son that was, oddly enough, it was definitely movement.

And my father immediately packed us up and left, immediately said, you know, we've got to go. And I don't think the other, I believe, wasn't on the fourth the time a lot of other stuff was going on. I want to say that. I don't think my father explained to this guy exactly what was going on. And actually be able to ask my dad if he knew in time that I had on the way home. Now we're on the other side of it because he wasn't going to stop hunting, obviously. Okay? So he was like now, which part do we go into?

I found out there's four other ways you can enter the place. and he's like, which way to answer now? So eventually my mother stopped. He explained to my mother what was going on. I was no longer allowed to. She's still smart. She's still around. Mercedes-Dadea will.

You know, the population's different all around the country. I was leaving. 17,000 people in my town slash city, whatever you want to call it. And there's a wooded area around here. And my father, the incidents that he thought, He, um, it's crazy all this stuff happens. A guy had called the police station in my town, and he kept calling the police station, and he kept reporting.

Actually, the name of this four, not crazy now. This four foot, you know, taking drinks out of their pool, their little pools, their turtle pools at the time. Father was the one that kept getting caught. He actually gave it the name, Irma, because a lot of them were familiar through hunting with, they would knowers. And they affectionately named it Irma. And my mother would hate to believe in and, you know, something was going on because the police blog everywhere, I'm on Beach Hill.

In the backyard, a guy can't explain what it is. It's in the backyard. It's scaring the kids, the animals, whatever. So that's another incident that was around, you know, when I was growing up. That made me really that. That's pretty interesting. Yeah, now it's all the way in basically in my backyard. You know what I mean?

in my senior year in high school, a kid I don't even know, mind you. I knew who he was, though, was in the same class of him. I don't talk to him. I don't know him. I overhear him telling his friend that he was driving home, him and his girlfriend, on Beach Hill, and he swerves and gets in the car accident. And he swore because of the accident in his girlfriend. And I'm in the background listening to this, and I can hear people going, yeah, you're crazy.

Now, mind you, he's not telling a teacher this. He's not telling someone he has to get out of trouble with. or anything. He's telling his road and he got in an accident and he's swearing up and down that it's true and people are laughing at him. I don't know this kid from a hole. Like I know him from the kid that sits in front of like two

things. I wasn't friendly with him. Nothing. And I'm just laughing because I know what he's talking about. I know exactly what he's talking about. I know it's real. And it was just funny that it ended up like that. I remember a while back reading about

Irma and the cops naming it, Irma and it was this bipedal, hairy comment, you know, that would run around and I do remember that. That's odd. Okay. Fascinating, her? Well, there's another part of the story to take off. We got about, we got about five minutes, Mike. Okay, cool.

Pitcher of Irma floating around, okay? And the end of it somehow, and the pitcher, man, I didn't get to keep the picture. You couldn't put it in a scanner. You couldn't do it. Um, you know, it was in the early, that's high, maybe 80, 8, 89, but self was a strange thing was that he was not there taking pitches of, he was taking pictures of deer in his backyard. And he was friends with my father and he was a deer hunter. Okay.

And he was taking pitches and this thing happened. And he goes, what did it look like, Mike? It, it honestly, to me, it looked like a walk in. It sounds ridiculous. It looked like a walking teddy. is what it looked like. I have no other way to explain. I wish I could tell you it looked like a crazy monkey, the escape from Plum Island or something. It didn't. It looked in the picture. It looked like a Ted of my age, that age or something. The only I can describe it. That's what

it looked like. I mean, it didn't have hands like a Teddy Ruckspin or anything. It had, you know, like feature. Remember it looking, me and my brother looking at the picture and saying, oh, man, It looks like an upright teddy bit, not a bear. It was kind of skinny. It wasn't like muscular. It just looked like thick through it, you know? And that's why I said teddy bear, because the features on it were it didn't have the long arms on it yet. You know, it didn't have that stubby looking, to be honest with you.

Did you get a look at the face at all? I got to look the way the picture was, unfortunately. I got to look at like where the air was positioned. It came out like, you know, it was more monkey-like. You know how a monkey will, or a champ will put its lips together, kind of. It was like that. Like, it kind of, like, it was almost kissing, like trying to kiss someone. Were you able to tell if the face had hair on it or not?

That's what I was wondering. Oh, okay. Things that did not have hair on it. I was just to see, I was kind of thinking maybe with the proportioning it was a type four. Okay. I did listen to a lot of the, which type would that be? That's one that's a little smaller. It's more the proportions, the arms and legs are closer to human proportions

than what we hear with normal backwatches. Yep. I would say it was either that's the case, Will, or it was, you know, it was a little, yes, exactly. It was either that or was a young one. I remember, though, because the inground pool, the outline of it was white, And I remember the picture, the skin tone on the actual creature, on the face, the lip area, and stuff, it was like grayish. It was like a really messed up kind of gray. Kind of an ash color.

Yes, yeah. It wasn't like your eye. It wasn't any type of human, like, color to it at all. I wanted to ask you, we got about two minutes left, but I meant to ask you, I wanted to go back. I wanted to go back to your dad's encounter. Yeah. What did your dad say he saw? His own word, that's what he saw.

There was no doubt, like, there wasn't talking amongst the police officers about what it was, the people that he hunted with, none of that. And believe me, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be saying this if this isn't what he said. I wouldn't, he, this is absolutely what he said, that this was what Squatch slash Bigfoot. But we didn't call it, like he said earlier, a boogas. That's what my mom called it. That's what my dad called it. We didn't call it big for the booger, you know, the booger. And he said it was big.

He was Sasquatch, the booger. He was convinced that that's what it was. And him along with, I'm going to say, three to four, every year got together and had a wild game Christmas, meaning they would have all sorts of a wild game that they shot. They knew what it was. It was definitely a Sasquatch. that would, you know, not just here, we're talking New England, Maine, Vermont, like all these areas, they hunted, they went to, and they have stories all over the place,

like, you know, different cops, they all had different encounters, you know, not class A encounters all the time, like, you know, some people, but they had little encounters that they knew this thing, it was, they knew it was real, and that confirmed it. You know what I mean? That was, they said, yeah, that's the outline of it. Tony saw it. He saw the outline of it, guys. I don't have that much time, but he saw the outline of it. You know what I mean?

He saw how big it was. It was a beast, you know? That's how he did. It was just a beast in the woods, how he described it. Well, it's an awesome encounter, man. We really appreciate you coming on and sharing. Sure, you do, Mike. Yeah, no problem.

Thank you for having me on. I really enjoy the, like I said, I really enjoy the show. I really, you guys got me through a tough time. Like I said, I got sick, and I thought, the podcast and it kept me going it really did it gave me energy believe it or not I found I've listened to each of the episodes like over and over again it got me back into something that I hadn't been I hadn't been into for a long time after my dad passed it it it really got me back into the subject and I'm doing some speaking and some engagements and stuff it's it's a lot of

fun it got me back into it yeah it got me into it and there's a bunch of kids out there that I'll tell you that, well, my age, you know, when I was into it, when I was 13 and stuff, and I didn't have that and people talking about this. And all the stuff that we have now, the podcast, the TV shows, and I don't like a lot of TV shows, but all that stuff's out there for them to at least take an interest in it and go their own route with it, you know? So it's really getting into it now, too, which is great. And I really like talking to them about it. Yeah, well, we appreciate all that kind of words, man.

Oh, no problem. Yeah, great. And I'm sure we'll be talking again. And if you guys ever need someone to come on and I can, you know, always fill in for somebody or whatever you guys need. Yeah, absolutely, man. Absolutely. We appreciate it. No problem, guys.

Thank you very much. Thanks, Mike. Thank you. That was really interesting. I wish we had more time for him. I feel bad cutting them off. I know. But, you know, it was another one of those police encounters, not just really, really.

citizens it was you know these were cops they were seeing these things and and it was very matter of fact among them so i i always find that interesting it's really vivid the the memory from him being nine and his dad pulling out his police issue which he said he never did so i'm sure that stuck with him on top of his dog being he heard his dog being killed that's like yeah yeah yeah i'm just glad i'm just glad that you two you and will and uh will and mike can continue your Romance. I'm just jealous. You're just jealous, man.

He is. I can hear it in his voice. Well, I understand when someone says Shannon's her favorite. I get it. It's like, okay, I get it. I don't. Easy in the eyes. You know, I get it.

But Will, come on. I mean, really? I'm just breaking your balls. Well, we are going to take a quick break. If you are listening to us on Sasquatch Chronicles.com, hang tight. We'll be right back. If you're not, I want to thank everyone for listening.

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