Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:651 It Chased Our Truck

Episode Date: May 3, 2020

Jay writes "I grew up on a big cattle ranch in eastern Oregon where I hunted and farmed from a young age. I pride myself in saying that can track a cotton ball in a snow storm and guiding many hunts for people for bear, elk, and deer. I have seen and experienced every predator in the Pacific northwest and know what track they lay, and how old. But one experience changed my life forever and I feel maybe you could bring some insight, and or knowledge. I would like to get into the mountains as much as possible and find new spots or fishing holes. I was traveling east on mountain roads in between cascadia and sisters on a road system on the north side of green peter and foster dam. I would stop occasionally and walk a little bit of the road to ensure it wasn't overgrown or sunk in. It was around the first of May nobody goes up where I was because it can be a bit dicey. But i would check if there was any spots i could drop off the side and fish or gold pan. I did this until i hit a dead end. I was literally in between sisters and Cascadia when i had to turn around and head back to another road system. On the way back I rounded a corner and saw a pile of rocks on the road. They were stacked in a pyramid.. big from small, top to bottom. They were not there on the way up, but almost in the middle of the road on the way back. So I parked the my jeep, I was about 30 yards from the pile. I exited my jeep and walked to the pile, but was in shock.. this is how the Iraqis would mark IEDS, and almost in shock. There was and embankment going up to my left almost vertical about 30 feet, and tapered off a little bit to the top of the hill, and almost a sheer drop off to my right. As I studied the rock pile for a few seconds something started to charge me from on top of the mountain on my left. I'm always carrying a gun so I drew my pistol and held it where the sound was coming from and as soon as I drew it, it stopped. I was frozen with my pistol held where the sound came from with the mentality I'm about to smoke this bear. I have about 30 feet to move left or right while dumping 230 grains of hollow points in it, but it never showed. It froze when I did.. I held that position for about a minute when I decided to start moving towards my vehicle. As I moved towards my jeep I could hear it parallel me on the ridge above out of sight but I never dropped my weapon. That's when i knew something else was going on. I have experienced bear, cougar and every predator in our mountains and a bear wouldn't have known if someone drew a pistol. So I was thinking human possibly? But didnt know, because how would it know to stop when I drew down? As I got to my jeep and held for a bit to make sure I wasn't imagining things, or hearing things.. I switched to off hand with my pistol while holding up the mountain, started my jeep and drove off. I was so confused when I drove off that I headed straight to my hunting partners house and told him we needed to head up there to see what's going on. When we got back up there the rock pile was still there.. and we heard nothing but silence for the first few minutes. It was around 10 minutes of studying the rock pile and seeing strange tracks behind us going up the cliff when we heard whoops. They were in sequences of 3 directly to our south. It was just a whoop, whoop, whoop. It happened until towards the Bend of the road to the north started doing a whoop.. this was also in a sequence of 3. We were super confused, then around the Bend of the road on the east side the whoops started there… and both spots in between whoops started, but at this point there was only 1 whoops per area. It sounded like a grouse mixed with Hercules or hulk. Idk… but not right..we decided to get out of there. We went back 2 days later with a fire team and track whatever it was. When we got above the cliff it was like a nuke went off. Tree barks everywhere… loke 8-10 in dug firs pulled from the ground and shoved top first into the ground. Root was and all. Tree breaks on break breaks. I've never seen anything like it. The strangest thing was we found 3 separate tracks, human like barefoot tracks different sizes. It was the strangest thing I've ever encountered and from this day I will not go into the woods alone. Some of the guys I was with say wiccans and their summer solstice festival, some say bigfoot. I can only say what the tracks tell me, and no human could have came at me that fast down the mountain, and stop when I drew my pistol." Kelly writes "We was riding dirt bikes in the back country of Central Utah. When we stopped to gauge the trail things were just weird. Dead no birds nothing my little brother pointed out to me. My cousin walk up the trail to see how bad it gets when he call my name to come look. As I stated walking I had a really weird gut feeling. As we're walking up hes walking down. He catches something out of the corner of his eye to left up the Hill. Screaming as he drops to the ground faster than I've ever seen anyone I see a large tree coming horizontally at him breaking smaller trees as it went. I looked to see what was going on and I saw the biggest thing that I ever seen. There is so much more to this encounter id be typing all day I'm not very good with emailing I apologize for the grammar and spelling and punctuation.

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They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet, but what I saw were bears. What's going on, what are you reporting? Jesus, come. Get somebody out here.

What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here. right hey uh-uh. Hey, this is Luke Griggs and you are listening to Cessquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. So glad to have you on here with me. We're going to be talking to Jay and Jay comes to us from Oregon. He's a veteran. He's a skilled hunter and he came across something very strange in the woods and I'll let Jay explain it.

And it reminded me of in Alaska, you know, those trees that are turned upside down, been ripped out of the ground and turned upside down and jam back into the ground. Jay found something very similar to that here in Oregon. And then we're going to be talking to Kelly. And Kelly comes to us from Utah. He's had two encounters, one with what he thought was a Sasquatch. The second one, he wasn't sure what it was. Ended up chasing him and his friends as they were driving off in a truck. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on this show, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Jay to the show. Jay, thanks for coming on. Hey, thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you being here.

And I know you're from Oregon. and your encounter happened out there towards a sweet home. Very strange events, and I've heard events like this from a lot of hunters. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning. Tell us what you were doing and what happened. Okay, yeah, definitely. So I was, I like to go out of the mountains and kind of just get away and look for places to fish and gold pan and just kind of hang out

and just look for new areas, essentially. And I was on a mountain system, mountain road system that was east of Courtsville. Essentially, I was up above Green Peter Lake and Foster Lake. I kind of, I guess more or less outside of Cascadian. I was on a road system just kind of heading east. And I was traveling along. It was the first part of May. and I would occasionally stop and hike along the road to make sure that, you know, it wasn't washed out or, you know, because that early, you know, it's right after the snow season and you don't know if, like, the road might have had a landslide or, you know, a rock slide. So you don't know if it's impassable or not. So you kind of want to stop it, you know, a good spot to turn around if you have to just to get out of there. And so I would check the roads ahead of me. And so I was kind of doing that, kind of leapfrogging until I got to actually a dead end.

as I turned around to come back, I came around a corner. It was kind of like a reverse S, if you will, if you're kind of look at it like a topography-wise. And it was a long straight stretch. But as soon as I ran to that corner, there was a rock pile in the middle of the road. That obviously wasn't up there when I headed up there. It was in the middle of road, you know, enough to where I would have to drive around. it, but I was kind of in shock a little bit because back in the early days, like I was saying earlier, the Iraqi, where, you know, the locals would mark the roads with rock piles

identically to that. And so I parked my vehicle. I was probably 30 yards away-ish from that rock pile. And I got out to look at it. And so now, essentially the road as I was traveling, It's running. I was heading back directly west. The road was running at this point directly west and east, and I was heading west. The rock pile was off to the left-hand side that I have to go around, and so I'm looking at it, and I'm facing now directly to the south. I was just looking at it in shock, and all of a sudden just something started coming down the hill at me. I didn't know what to do. You know, it was just, I mean, first I thought bare, but, you know, as soon as I started breaking trees and branches and everything, I mean, it had no care since it came down the hill. As soon as it came down the hill, you know, I drew my weapon. I'm always carrying a weapon out there. I drew my pistol and I held, you know, right in the direction it was coming from.

As the road goes up, I guess I should explain that a little bit more. So there's a straight-up cliff on my right side that goes down probably, you know, four or five. 500 yards to the Canyon Creek below. And then there's almost a sheer vertical side that goes up probably 30 yards maybe, I guess. And then it tapers off and it goes to the top of the hill, which at that time I couldn't tell how far I'd go. So, and it was coming from the top. And, you know, my first thought was a bear as it was coming down the hill at me because it just was just breaking everything it could and every branch along the way. and just literally coming directly at me.

I drew my pistol and it stopped. And I just held my pistol there for about, you know, about a minute or so. And I was cognitive of, you know, I can move like laterally, left or right, you know, able to dump rounds whenever I needed to. And I was, you know, at this moment I was confident there was a bear. I was getting charged by a bear. But I knew that the bear would present itself once it got to the crest of the, a little cliff because it would have to pick an angle before it committed to going over the

side, which I knew would give me, you know, opportunity time to actually start dumping around into it because I have vulnerable spots to hit. And plus, bears aren't that reckless. They're just, you're going to want to make sure before they jump off a cliff, they're going to be safe to come at you. So that's what I was thinking. And, but it never showed itself. And I just stayed there. And so I held that position for a minute and everything went deathly quiet. And my vehicle is probably about 30 yards away. And I just held my pistol in that position, you know, for about a minute or so. And then, I mean, I held that position essentially where I was standing. And then I'm like, oh, I just need to get back to my vehicle. And so I started making

my way back to my vehicle. I never dropped my pistol. I never, you know, I kept my sights directly where the sound was coming from. But it was, whatever it was was, paralleling me back to my vehicle. And I was about 30 yards away from my vehicle, roughly. And I could hear it right above me. It was always out of sight. It was just right above, right above the crest of the hill to where I was, you know, never able to see it. Finally got to my vehicle. And I, you know, the way it was, you know, I switched off hands real quick, opened my vehicle, started my car, kept a pistol up, got in my Jeep, and I just got it out of there. And I was just, you know, I was. just thinking the whole time like you know i've been in the mountains i mean too many times i've

experienced every predator in the pacific northwest i know kind of how they act you know coyotes not going to happen uh if it was a mountain lion i never would have seen it it would have been on top of me before anything else i you know mountain lions are too sneaky and like this is the only probability was a bear but what blew my mind was how it just knew to stop when i drew a pistol you know at it so kind of thinking that I was just, I'm going to go to my hunting partner's house and just tell him about what's going on and maybe we'll go back up there. So I get to my partner's house and he's just like, yeah, let's just go back up there real quick. And so we turn around and we drive back up there. And I'm in the mountain system essentially for, I guess, in between, I guess, Quartzville, you know, outside Cascadia, East of Sweet Home and sisters, like deep in the mountains.

we get up there and the rock pile is still there and we're parked we go up a little bit and we turn around as much we could and we started heading back the same way and we kind of parked by the rock pile we're sitting there for a few minutes and probably around 10-ish minutes or so and it gets quiet you know and that's usually a good indicator of predators so it makes me think like I don't know but we start getting a series of of whoops and they came in in sequences of three and it was just a whoop

whoop, whoop and it was like a perfect cadence. I've never heard anything like that. You know, the mountain grouse up here will be almost equivalent but not as, you know, it can be close to it. If we were looking back towards our left, which would be

towards the east, there was a steep embankment that was kind of it was it was almost like a landflat it happened there earlier but it was super soft

gravel rocks sandish type clay and you could see toe prints of something going up which was weird I've never seen anything like that and they were you know you know six to eight feet apart

going up the hill and it was just indentations that you know we couldn't determine if there were tow prints or not that time yet or not. After a little bit directly, you know, we were getting the first series of whoops. Well, where those toe prints happened, we started getting whoops from that area, and they were in sequences of three. You know, it was a whoop, whoop, whoop, and then to the far end, just around would you make the bend to get out of there, we started getting a sequence of

three whoops. So in three different areas, we started getting whooped at three different times, you know, just or in sequences of three and time had lapsed and we're just like, what the hell's going on? And my hunting partner was like, well, maybe we should shoot up there. I'm just like, no, we don't, we don't want to start dumping around, you know, something's trying to surround us from an, you know, an elevated position. It's an unknown something or other that's just whooping. And then a little bit of time had passed, the whoops had stopped, and a little bit of time, you know, probably less than five minutes or so, there would be a whoop directly to the south in front of the rock pile up above the tree line,

and then to the left, and then to the right, and then in between the two spots. And then there would only be one whoop. And so now it's coming from, we're getting whoops from five different areas, and it's all above them. at that time we were pretty spooked. We're just like, let's just get the hell out of here.

This is, this is not worth it. I have no idea what the hell's going on. Let's just get out of here. So we left. And then a few days later, you know, talking to Zoom,

you know, our other hunting partners and our buddies, we went back up there with kind of a fire team and all experienced hunters, all, you know, veterans. And we're just like, we can track anything. let's just track something and figure it out.

And so the way it was, it was pretty steep and nasty terrain in that area. And it was kind of where the Cascades make the transition from the western Cascades to Eastern Cascades. It's not as brushy, but it's still pretty thick, but you know, you're not covered in brambles or salmon berries or any of the blackberries, but it's still pretty thick. You were able to traverse the terrain a little bit easier than you would, like, like, you know, out the coast, we dropped in from the top of the mountain and worked our way down. And, you know, it was, you know, like I said earlier, it was like a nuke went off. I mean, I just, I've never seen anything like it. It was just, you know, eight to 12 inch dug furs ripped out from the ground.

Roots, you know, root wads topside and just shoved into the ground. There was, you know, structures, structure-like type things. just tree breaks that were 15 to 20 feet high just bent over and you know and yeah I mean it would be if he could wrap a tarp around it I mean it would be perfect for I mean a TP essentially you know and we found you know we found three different size tracks we found three you know we found multiple tracks but we found three different sized tracks that were, you know, human footprint-looking tracks around the area. And they weren't too big.

I mean, you know, I think the biggest one we found was probably maybe a size 15, maybe 16. But in that terrain, it's still pretty spongy. So something to have to have significant weight to leave that track behind. But we just watched that whole, you know, it was just, I've never seen anything. like it and that's what kind of flipped me out was just just seeing i mean it was like a sheer carnage in that whole that whole top side it was just tree break on tree break and it was you know it was just i don't know just some of the craziest stuff i've never experienced anything like it before you know and so this happened this happened uh about eight years ago i guess and you know listen to

some of the guys tell their stories and stuff behind i was just like well i need to maybe call it you guys and talk to you a little bit, maybe get some insight just because I, you know, I tracked and hunted anything in the Pacific Northwest predator-wise and, you know, I just never experienced anything like that before my life. And I, you know, and it's just, some of the guys we were up there with were like, oh, it's got to be the Wiccans and their summer solstice party, you know, and other guys were like, oh, hell no. And for me, it's just like, you know, nothing could come down the mountain that fast. And that sort of terrain is dancing as, as dense as it was.

you know, at me and then no to stop when I drew a pistol on it and parallel me back to my car, which, you know, was a trip. Yeah, so I just, I don't know, didn't know, man. It's crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. And as I was telling you before, I know you didn't see the creature doing it, but I hear a lot of hunters have this type of encounter. So the trees were actually turned upside down and jam back in the ground. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I mean, the whole root wad. I mean, it looked like, you know, it looked like, you know, in Africa, they have those weird, those weird trees that grow. And it kind of looks like the roots grow top to bottom.

And essentially, that's kind of what it looked like. I mean, it was, you know, they were healthy dug furs that were pulled up. I mean, they had the root wads were, and they had to be at least 12 to 15 foot in diameter still. You know, they were just literally pulled from the ground and just, you know, it looked like. tornado went off up there. It was just pulled from the ground and flung upside down and shoved directly back in the ground like feet into the ground. And like I said earlier, my background's aerodynamics. So it's just for me to see that, I'm just like, well, this had to have been a tornado, but then you look at some of the other ones that are just left behind and alone, you're just like,

how in the hell did that happen? You know, there's no possible way. And then seeing naked like footprints around, you're just like, what, what's going on? You know, it's just like, That can't be right. Yeah. I get a lot of reports. I was on earlier. I get a lot of reports from that area a lot. And what I find fascinating about it.

So you drive up there and you're going down this road, you turn around, you come back, and there's a rock pile there. How big was a rock pile and did it have? Was there anything that stood out to you besides reminding you of guys doing the IEDs over on Iraq? You know, I mean, it carries the same. It was kind of, it was similar, but it was, but you know, they had, it was, they were, they were, it was perfectly stacked. And that was the thing, it was perfectly stacked. It was in a perfect pyramid. It was, I don't know, it was probably, um, at least 12 inches in diameter at the base and probably up to maybe, um, 12 to 16 inches, you know.

And I mean, it was, it was big enough to where I was just like, it, I had a, you know, I was in shock when I saw it at first just because, one, it wasn't there when I came up. And two, I had to go drive around it just to get down the hill. And so for it to appear by the time I was down the road system, had a turn and come back. Because I was probably, you know, 30 minutes to 45 minutes past that specific area. Because on the way up, I didn't think I told you this earlier, but on the way up, I had to move a log. out of the way, just get up that road. You know, I always carry chains on toe ropes or whatnot and just kind of exploring.

And so I'll just, you know, if a logs in the way, which happens a lot when you go up in the mountains, you know, after the winter season, you have to cut some logs to go out of the way and, you know, tow them up and, you know, slap them out of the way real quick. You know, it was, nobody could have been behind me. There was no, yeah, it was just, it was weird. It was just weird. I mean, it was significant. It was a larger rock pile that was, you know.

And so that's why I was just like, you know, some of the guys, I thought, no, it's the Wiccans and there's summer solstice party. And, you know, I'm not going to delve in that religion. I have no idea. And I don't want to, you know, ask anybody. And I don't really care to know what they do or what goes on, you know. But it was a larger rock pile for sure. I mean, it was over a foot tall.

when I came back, like off to the side of the road, in my track. It was in my tire track. So I had to hug the road, which was on the cliff side, and just to get back around it. Yeah, that is weird, man. Let me ask you, Jay. What did you think of Sasquatch prior to this encounter? I mean, were you on the fence? Did you, what were kind of your feelings on the thing?

You know, I was, it was intrigued because I was intrigued. I've always have been, you know, but it's kind of a, you know, I guess to be devil's accom, it's more of a taboo subject among the hunting community if you haven't seen them specifically because a lot of the hunters and the guides and stuff, you know, what kind of shun people if they kind of believe in that. But at the same time, you hear these other hunters on the other flip side, you hear these hunters that have been guiding and hunting for 20 to 30 plus years, that have, you know, say they've seen them or their tracks or whatnot.

And these guys can tell you the difference between a grizzly or a brown bear or a or a codyack or a black bear and determine which track is laid by when and how long. And so before this, I was kind of always on the fence, you know, I was always really on the fence, to be completely honest. And then, you know, after this experience and seeing the naked footprints left behind and the whoops and the rock structures, I'm just, there's got to be something else out there. You know what I mean? There's, yeah.

And I don't know. And then I always love that argument where guys were like, oh, how come we never found any bones? It's just like, well, how many times you've guys been up to the mountains and found cougars skulls or bobcats? You know, I've, you know, I've spent years in the mountains, years. I've found half of a bobcat skull once. And, you know, at the same time, I was in a cougar mecca, essentially, you know.

So I'm just like, you know, you see cougar tracks, you know, every 10 feet. And it's just like you should find a cougar skull or bones or something here and there, but you never do. You never find bear skulls either. You're bare bones, you know. And so it's just, I don't know. I'm just, I'm really, I'm more in. now after seeing that than I was previously. It just kind of, but, you know, the whole experience just kind of blows my mind just because of

everything. So. Yeah, it is. It's a little unnerving, you know, and, you know, even you might find cougar tracks, but how many guys in the Pacific Northwest have actually seen a cougar? I bet very few. And we have areas, I mean, hell, we have a place here in Washington State called Cougar. The town is called Cougar. You know, that behavior of them destroying the place. it almost seems like a loss of temper or because you guys were in the area. And I'm just speculating. And I'm wondering why they went nuts, you know, destroying the, taking the trees,

ripping them out and just going the way they did. You know what I mean? Right. Well, you know, but every year I go, I go pretty deep. I mean, I try to go as deep in as far as possible, you know. And, you know, I actually, I usually run into Cougar at least, you know, four or five times a year when we go up hunting. I just, you know, I like to go where nobody else goes. I'm a single full-time dad, so I like to show my son, like, you know, how to track and do all this kind of jazz.

And we ran into some mountain lines, you know, again this year. And the year before that, we got stocked by a few. And I think it's just going where the nobody else goes. And I think it might have been part of that is maybe they weren't used to people being that far deep. and not far away. And, and, I don't, to be frankly, just being, probably them being pissed that I was actually kind of stumbled across

them like haphashedly. Yeah, it reminds me of, I don't know if you've ever seen this. It was years ago. It was in Alaska. And all the people in that one area, I can't remember the name of the little town, but they'll say not to go up to the mountain. And they'll say these creatures are up there.

And what's fascinating is, there's a picture of these, I'm sure you can Google upside down trees in Alaska and see the, the photo someone took. There's these huge, huge trees that were turned upside down and jam back into the ground. And they, you know, people who aren't from that area say, oh, someone did that with machinery. There's no, I mean, there's no way to even get a piece of machine, machinery up there to even do that. So it is bizarre. You know, and like I said, in that area of Sweet Home, ma'am, that whole area right through there, I guess, so many encounters.

What do you think that they are, Jay? What's your opinion as far as what Sasquatch is? You know, I think it's, I have no idea. I think it's, I think it's a, I think it's a long-lost creature of some sort that we haven't put tabs on yet. I mean, we're discovering new species all the time in the oceans. and I just think it's something that we haven't really found yet, that the, you know, science community hasn't really been able to, you know, accurately pinpoint or track because it's something of intelligence.

There's something else out there in the mountains. There's, I mean, there's just, there's too many crazy encounters with actually hunters that know what the hell's going on with guys that have been tracking, you know, every sort of game on every sort of continent that have these weird experiences, you know, and it's not just like in the United States. I mean, it happens all over, you know, and I think it's just some sort of, I think, I'd like to hope, you know what I mean, that it's, it's some sort of animal. You know, I hear the other stories with guys experiencing, you know, the lights when they

encounter stuff like that. And thank God, that wasn't my experience. you know and well you know it's just I hope it's an animal I you know it's something other than supernatural that would be you know yeah it's crazy I don't know I that's what I think yeah yeah I hope so too I really do and we do have so many encounters here in the Pacific Northwest you know it is for the most part not everyone of course but I think it's probably more accepted here than like Kentucky or, you know, someplace down south or even northeast. I think they have just as many encounters, but it's not quite as a long history like what we have.

It's fascinating. You ever have any plans on going back to that area? I know it was eight years ago, but you have any plans on checking it out one day or going back up? You know, I would take a specific group of people up there and group probably being less than four. I mean, you know, if you were interested in going up there, Wes, I would take you up there for sure. But I would probably retake the fire team so we can reach our steps and maybe retract some things. Because, you know, one of the guys we were talking about earlier, he thinks it might be a migratory route. And because, you know, it was so far deep in right in the mountains.

He thinks, you know, when the summertime hits, they come from the south and start heading more north. and just right along the whole cascades there. I mean, I would like to go up there to see kind of what was going on, but it would definitely have to be with the select number of guys. And, I mean, I would go back up there. But it would definitely have to be with the right people and with the right equipment for sure. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.

I might have to take you up on that, Jay. I might have to take you up on that. But it's a scary, you know, really is scary when you're going down a road. you come back. I have never experienced a rock piles, but, you know, when I was coming back down, I had just driven down this mountain road and I was coming back. There was a tree across the road. And it didn't fall. It was placed there. And that's happened to me twice, one time in Washington, one time in Texas. And it's very unnerving to go to realize I just drove past here and that wasn't there. And that didn't fall. That was placed there. Almost like they're trying to get you to stay

there or trying to get you to get out of your car. I don't know, many different things go through my mind when I hear that sort of thing or when I've experienced it. You know what I mean? Well, and that's what I didn't think about at the time. It was just like, you know, hey, I'm coming up the mountain road. Nobody's been up here. I could see the road tracks. I can track, you know, whatever.

Like, nobody's been up here. There's a tree across the road. I'm just going to cut it closer to the base on the opposite side. I'm going to tie a toe rope to the other side. Just drag it out of the way real quick. I'm just going. It's kind of what you do if you want to explore up here past the wintertime because the storms that come. through and I and I you know think in hindsight now it's like well shit that maybe that was just one of

those things where they're just like no we're just trying to keep people out of here I if you know now I know if I see that I'm going to go check the base of it maybe check for tracks or but you know I'm you know it's crazy because I just like they were legitimate footprints I mean they were naked you know footprints it was just you know and that's why some of the guys I was up with I think they might be in disbelief or, you know, shock maybe. They're just like, no, that's, that's humans. That's humans. It's just like, that's got to be a hog of the human because, you know, like I said earlier,

I'm 5, 10, 200 pounds and I couldn't even, you know, touch leaving a track behind because, you know, up here, the ground's still super spongy. And so it's going to bounce right back and seeing them, you know, I mean, I wish we would have got castings or however they do it. But, I mean, there were, there was multiple. tracks everywhere with, you know, three different sizes. It was just, yeah, I just, I've never seen, you know, I can only tell you what the tracks told me and, you know, and it just blew my mind to see that.

I'm just like, this is what everybody's talking about. This is, this, this blows my mind. It blew my mind. Seriously, that's crazy. And I haven't gone to the mountains by myself since. I mean, honestly, I don't know if I will, to be completely honest. Yeah, I hear you. I might have to take you up on that and go up there and check the area out.

It's, you know, your encounter, the one thing that's fascinating is when you pull your gun out, it stops. It's coming down for you. No bear is going to do that. They're coming for you the way you're describing. You're in big trouble. And as we said earlier, it's like, you know, the bears out here, it's just, they're kind of like dumb dogs. Like usually, like, you can just clap at them and just, you know, yell at them and they'll take off. And the ones you have to worry about are the ones that are kind of finis.

and then they'll, instead of going the opposite way, they'll either go, you know, they'll take a 45 degree angle to your left or right. Those are the ones you have to worry about. And, but how steep that angle was, you know, it would have, it would have paused at the top of that crest before it committed to coming over. And that was the opportunity to shoot because I've seen bears do that before. And that was, so that's initially what I was thinking. That's when I was like, I'm, this is this is that's going to be when i need to start dumping rounds and it you know i never showed itself and i'm just like all right well you know and then when it paralleled me back to my car then i was just like that's when i kind of freaked out like a little bit more but it was kind of like

i've been in those situations where i'll i'll get a hold of my emotions after the after the fact you know what i mean and um man it was yeah crazy sounds like it well jay i appreciate coming on and sharing the encounter very much. I enjoyed talking to you, ma'am. Yeah, I definitely enjoyed it, man. Thank you for calling me, for sure. Anytime I want to come down, just let me know. I appreciate it.

Thanks again. Definitely, for sure. Well, next up on the show, I want to welcome Kelly. Kelly, thanks for coming on. Yeah, no problem. How are you? I'm doing well. I'm doing well, man.

Thank you again for being here. And I know your encounters took place in Utah. How long ago did this, the encounter, first encounter we're going to talk about how long ago did that happen kelly um well i'm 26 now so about when i was 18 so it's been a few years ago i got you um but really it's all been been kind of happening ever since i was a kid and growing up up in that canyon you know well let's do this if you would uh for the the first encounter if you would kind of take us back to that moment what were you doing and what happened?

Sure. Well, we're up camping, kind of a big family get together. I think it was actually my mom's birthday. And me and my cousin and my little brother all liked ride dirt bikes. And it was getting kind of late and we wanted to go for a quick ride. And we got up to this trail that we had never been on without, you know, adult supervision, to put it that way. but we decided that we were going to take off on this trail to see how far we could go to prove,

you know, we were big enough to ride, you know, by ourselves. And we got back in there pretty far, got into a spot where you kind of couldn't turn around. You had to keep going. And right about the tree line of the sick pines, we stopped and kind of gauged what was going on. And my cousin said that he'd ride up the trail a little bit and check it out and see how much worse the road got.

I told me that I was fine and, you know, just be careful. And me and my brother sat in there talking and my brother says he has a weird feeling. And I was like, like what? He just says, I don't know, I just felt weird. I was like, okay, you know, not much for words, are you? And he, we're sitting there listening and my cousin's their bike just kind of peters out sound-wise. and so we start walking up the trail and we can't see him, can't hear him, nothing.

Well, finally he kind of pops out along the trail a couple hundred yards ahead of us and he's walking and takes his helmet off and to what would be his left side, my right side is up just a little embankment through the pine trees. He looks back at me and looks immediately back up the hill

and then just drops to the ground faster than I've ever seen anybody move in my entire life. And as he's dropping, he's yelling at me to run and get the hell out of there. And I've never heard him say anything like that before. And as I'm trying to figure out what's going on, I see a better lack of words, a tree. The whole thing, root ball, everything, come flying at him horizontally and just barely, barely miss over the top of him. and as I look up to see where this is coming from, I just see a dark object standing there.

And I immediately, my brain just says, holy crap, that's a bear. And then my brain, you know, once told me, that's way too big to be a bear. And as I watch it for a second, it turns. And in one quick movement, it was gone. And about that time, my cousin was to me and push me and telling me to run

and my brother's dragging me along and I'm just kind of in shock I can't understand what I just seen and get back down to our outdoor bikes and we take off my cousin's on the back with me and I tell him, you know, I stopped a couple hundred yards down the road

and I tell him, you know, hey, we've got to go back and get your bike and he absolutely refused and told me if I was going, that I was going alone and he ended up actually leaving me took my dirt bike and took off so me and my brother went back up in there and and walk back and back to uh to get it and i i never felt so sick in my entire life i felt like i was gonna puke and i

needed to get out of there and uh got the bike and got it down and went back to camp and told everybody kind of what what we saw and my cousin he got in the truck locked himself in the truck and made his dad taking home that night and there wasn't no if-hands and butts about it and my dad just told me that we were seeing stuff and got spooked by a bear or something and he just kind of blew it off he still doesn't believe in anything you know he there's something slapped him in the face he'd still say it was a a tree or something you know yeah that's pretty terrifying so as he as he was coming down it threw a tree at yeah yeah and it wasn't like it like just shoved it over

where like it would fall towards him I mean it was six or seven feet in the air coming horizontally and I mean it was it was moving it was breaking trees coming down through there and just I mean it barely missed him as he was dropping to his hands and knees

to get away from it and you know I'd ask him to this day you know what he what he had seen and he still will never never say anything and the subject and he'll actually just leave, getting us truck and leave if you start talking to him about it.

Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you, is if you ever had a chance to talk to your cousin and say, hey, what happened up there? Prior to all this, what did you think of the topic of Sasquatch? I've always had a curiosity for it. I've seen the Patterson Gimlin film and some other shows online and stuff about, you know, cryptids and stuff.

And always kind of interest me, but I was like, you know, I've always been told that it wasn't real. It was this fantasy. And that's always what I've kept in there. It was fantasy. And then after that day, I kind of realized that there's more out there than what we've been told. And we need to be safe out there because what I've seen definitely was no bear.

Yeah. Can you kind of describe what you saw? I mean, how far away from you was this thing? So it was up up a hill probably about 20 feet to my right and probably about 50 yards away lengthwise. So we were pretty close. But in the trees, it was right around the time the sun was going down. So the sun was shining right, right into our faces through the trees and stuff. And what I've seen was it looked like just a giant man.

But I can't even explain to the size of who, you know, there's no one on earth that I know of that can compare it to. I mean, basically, I've heard, you know, people say it looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger, but bigger. And it's like, no, this thing, you know, it was at least 10 feet tall. And you would have to take three or four on those sports and niggers and smash them together to even become close to what this thing was. I mean, just the quick movement that it made as it turned and just took like a step and like jumped up upwards up the hill and it was just gone. I couldn't, I can't even phantom how quick it moved. Yeah, so it was obviously on two legs if you thought, man, I would imagine at the time though you thought bear because, you know, what else what else could it be, you know? And I hear that a lot from a lot of people where especially hunters, they'll see.

these things and go, yeah, it was a weird bear, you know. Because I guess if you don't really, if you're not, this isn't the soup you swim in, you would think bear, because bear makes the most sense, you know, but bears don't throw trees and run around like a man, you know what I mean? Yeah. And this area that we're in is pretty famous for black bears. But usually, you know, going up hunting and stuff up there, black bears, they don't, they don't bug it. Though they're gone long before you even. even we'll see him, you know, they don't want nothing to do with you. And even if you do come across them, you know, they're, they're more scared of you than you

or them and stuff. So it was just really, just really different. Yeah. And they don't know how it's to say it. Yeah, and they don't throw trees. It makes you wonder if he, you know, what happened for it to set off, you know, set the saying off the way did just showing up and surprising it or sure be nice to talk to your cousin to find out what what actually happened up there you know uh especially his reaction well so in my my thinking now when i look back on it um we were riding this trail uh all three of our dirt bikes are pretty loud um my cousin was on a two stroke and i had a newer 450 um that was piped so it it's obnoxiously loud and I think we were just moving way too quick and we were way too loud.

And I think it was right around that dust, dawn, dinner time, you know, that animals start moving around. So the deer and the elk and stuff that were up there, you know, will be coming down the water and feed. And the area that we got into was pretty much a perfect ambush point. And, you know, that's where I, where I'd set up to hunt is somewhere right like that because the river was right there that we had to cross and all sorts of stuff. And I think we just screwed up his plans. And I've heard of them throwing rocks and stuff to get you out of there. But I think we just moved way too quick on him. And it had enough.

Yeah, it's kind of like when the guy drives past your house on a Harley, it's like, come on, guy. I'm trying to. Yeah. I hear you, man. I hear you. That's terrifying, though. That really is terrifying. You said there was another incident.

Was that around the same time? So the next one actually takes place a couple years later, just 20 miles to the west of that area, down in kind of a pretty residential area, but still off the beaten paths, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. A couple years later, it's just me and my brother and his buddy, and we were down doing some catfishing, Utah Lake. I don't know if I should really tell exactly where that, but we were just been sitting there, and it was awfully dark, and we had to land in and out and stuff like that. Do you know what they call cat tails? Have you ever seen those?

Yeah, yeah. We were down right next to those in the camera racks like that. It's really thick, and you can't really see into them very well, and we were sitting right against them, and my brother, the whole night. We were there for probably an hour before this started to happen, but he kept saying, you know, hey, I don't feel good, you know, like, those were my spots, those are my spots. And I just kept telling, you know, you're just freaking yourself out, you know,

calm down. You know, I don't know you to be this jumpy. Like, what's going on? And he, you just kept saying, what was that? You know, and I'm like, what is what? You're starting to freak me out. Well, then I've seen something kind of bobbed the tamaracts around. And I'm like, oh, you know, it could be a,

a cat or raccoon or you know there's all sorts of stuff down here could be a you know another fisherman walking down through there or whatever and he he's told me no no no it doesn't sound like that I told him I was like well what would make you feel better and so

we ended up shining a big old flashlight through there and not seeing anything so I pick up a a chunk of clutch concrete that they had filled in in this area to build the dam up I picked up this concrete and I threw it. Oh, what would be dead center into somebody's chest about, you know, six foot high.

So, you know, three, four feet up off the ground. And I hear this giant thud like it hit something. And then I hear an exhale of the most air I've ever heard come out of something, like a bull snort. And it's just a big, you know, and I look up. and my brother's got his flashlight staring at about mid to the top of these tamaracts about, you know, 10, 11 feet up. And there is reflecting eyeshine of like an amberish, reddish, orange color. And I've never seen eyeshines that color before, you know, deer green and the bluish color.

And same with dogs and cats and everything. And my brother is just kind of shaking the flashlight drops. And as soon as that flashlight drops, it kind of snaps me out of it. and I grab him by the back of his shirt and just take off running. And his buddy was already halfway back to the truck before we even took off running. And we bailing in the truck as he's getting it thrown in gear. And we take off. And right as that road hands that you got to turn onto the main highway,

he stymes on the brakes hard enough that he can make this corner. And I look in the back window. and in the break lights, I had to see this giant you know, monster. I mean, I don't know how it's explaining it.

He said, I don't know if you've ever seen Lord of the Rings. Yeah. The Horrocks, that one that puts that big white thing on across the big white hampering across his face. It looked like that, but it had more of a pronounced like a snout,

like a dog face. But, I mean, it was all tore up ugly. The ears looked like that. I mean, the teeth were just nasty. Yeah, I mean, it was, man, I'm like, I'm shaking, like, just thinking about this. That thing scared the crap out of me.

I don't, I've never seen anything or heard of anybody else saying anything like that. But, I mean, the body on this thing, it was big, but, you know, I mean, it was probably, like I say, I want to say, you know, 10 feet tall. we were driving in a Dodge pickup truck that had an 8 inch lift on it and so I stand 6-2 and to look over the back of the truck I've got to kind of use my tippy toes and this thing was about chest height to the back tailgate and I mean it wasn't quite as built as what something that big should be but it was definitely muscular

I mean you could see every muscle in its arms as it was reaching out and it had some big old nasty looking hands on it, long, long fingers. And I wouldn't really call them claws, but it was like the fingernails were just grown out really, really long. And they're thick, like kind of like a dog toenel, basically. Yeah, the one thing I want to ask you, so was it on two legs chasing after the truck? It was on, it was like on two legs as it was trying to get into the truck, but then it went back to like kind of like a, a four-legged back and forth between two to four as it was running to keep up with the truck. And the face on it, you said, was more like a canine, more like a dog?

Well, it had like that orcish-looking face to it, but the nose had like it had like a big, big nose like a dog's nose, like it was squared off. Yeah, I don't know how else to explain it. It's just, God, you know, it sounds like something something like crazy. person. No, I don't think it sounds crazy at all. I don't think it sounds crazy at all. You know, it's strange that it kept chasing after you. It's not the first time I've heard that,

especially with, you know, what we call Dog Man or even Sasquatch, throwing a rock at him. Usually they'll come after you, but that is that I was chasing. How long did it chase you for as you left? Oh, so the road that was on the way. way out was the gravel road. It was only probably a couple hundred yards long. And then you had to

reconnect to a paved road that was probably a good three quarters of a mile. And then that next road that you catch it takes you right back up to the main highway. And it followed us all the way to the one that next to the main highway where

the lights start. And but when we were going to start up that road, you can see it kind of running along in the brush through the tree line. And my buddy seen it and did some Steve McQueen move in this truck. And without rowing us, I don't know how, but flip that truck around and headed back the other way because it wasn't leading right to the tree line where we were headed to. And so we actually ended up driving, clearing around the whole lake to detour away from this thing.

so we didn't have to go right up against those trees. What was the conversation like with you and your buddy and your brother after you guys finally got away from this thing? It was quiet in that truck for a long time. As we just rode, we were getting closer to the house and stuff, and my brother just kind of sat there and he just says, you know, what the hell was that? I was still speechless, you know, I thinking I don't mind

I just had a heart attack because, you know, I couldn't talk. I was, I was just speechless. I mean, my chest was tight. I felt like I just met my maker and that was it. And his buddy, his buddy just said that was the devil. And he was kind of a religious kid, so I don't know if that was, that was being from that.

that he thought it was the devil or what but i mean he just said that it was demonic and after that um i have never actually spoken to that kid again and he's lost contact with my brother over that whole thing because he said that um it was because it was that that thing was there and i don't quite understand what what he meant by that but i mean he was he was so freaked out that i mean he went he went on a mission he went all over the place and uh just got out of dot dot gone out of Dodge and he doesn't even, I don't think he lives in the state anymore. So, me and my brother have actually talked about that not too long ago, but he wasn't, he wasn't too happy about it. I kind of, I kind of locked him in the truck with me and, and, you know,

we're going down the freeway at 80 mile an hour, asked him about it, so he, he really wasn't too happy about jumping out. So he, he sat down and talked and he just said that, you know, what he's seen is he can't explain it. And there's no, there's nothing else out there that can even relate to it. And he just, he says he still has reoccurring nightmares about it. And he thinks about it every time we go out hunting and stuff. That's why he always is, you know, strapped up to the gills and with guns and knives and everything. And I just, I don't, I don't think I know I have anything that could shoot something like that.

Even, even the big guy that we've seen up in the mountains. I usually carry a 357 mag revolver, and that's great for bears and anything else that wants to come and mess with you if you need it to. But as far as putting something like that down, I think you might as well just say your goodbyes. Yeah, it's bizarre. I mean, there's a lot of weird cryptids that people run into. It kind of sounds like what they call a dog man, or I guess a better term will be like werewolf. a lot of people see them. I mean, I've had cops that have seen them. A lot of cops that have seen them. And they generally tend to be more aggressive and will come after you. It is fascinating. Have you, have you been back to that lake or back to that area since this happened?

I've been back, but it was a couple years after that that, that I went back to that area. Some big construction company bought it out and leveled it and put a big construction yard in there. the park equipment so nothing's nothing's even remotely close to me and how it was back then so kind of was a big relief because I was I was kind of dreading

going back in there but then when I seen that I was kind of bummed out that I you know that memory is kind of gone from there so do you think this creature I know you may not be a lances but do you think the creature you hit with that piece of concrete was the same one chasing you guys

um that's a good question because I feel like if that thing really wanted us I could have had us I mean it was keeping up with the truck on the on this gravel road and granted you know the truck at smash full for the auto was peeling out most of the way and slinging a lot of gravel but

I mean we were still moving pretty good and you know at least 30 mile an hour 40 mile an hour and this thing was right right there you know trying to reach over the tailgate and so I you know a couple big boys trying to And in the way, I think if it wanted us, it would have had us. And that's the scary part is why will it mess with you and run you out of there, but not, you know, anything else.

But there's a lot of farmers, there's a guy that lived down there pretty close that was running some exotic animals. And he had a couple of big water buffalo from Africa. And one of the big ones that was out in the open field, not in the barn, ended up. dying something kind of I don't know exactly what they said it had a his throat kind of cut but I don't know if that was from somebody said that oh it must have got caught up on the fence and kind of hung itself or whatever but I just know that those those Cape buffalo those are some bad A animals and for one of those just end up dying around the same kind of time that this happened you know just a couple months before or after it was just kind of

weird. It is weird. It is weird. And it is a terrifying encounter, man. And I really appreciate sharing it. Kelly, what do you think that Sasquatch is? What's kind of your thoughts on the subject? Oh, boy.

I like to think that it's a flesh and blood creature. Because what I've seen was pretty, you know, physical. It wasn't like it was like a hologram or an entity or anything like that. I mean, to throw this log that had to weigh over, you know, a couple thousand pounds. It had to be pretty real to do that. And as far as that goes, saying that, I have no idea how something this big could go this long and live undetected. Well, I'll rephrase that not undetected, but not discovered and out there to the public. because, you know, this canyon, there's tons of people that camp up there.

They don't go quite as far as we do. We go up above the paid camping and all that stuff. We camp in the dirt. You know, we got trailers and that's where we take the furthers and all that. But, I mean, there's tons of little kids up there all the time and everything. You know, there's that river, there's people that fly fished all the time. I mean, for the travel up and down that area isn't very hard. So, you know, if it's up there, why wouldn't it?

and be down lower, you know, and I just, all these missing people and stuff, I mean, we've had a lot of people from even the Spanish Fork area go missing, and just nobody knows what happened to. People's camps up top there, cabins and all sorts of stuff have just been kind of demolished, and the people have come back, you know, from leaving for a couple of days to resupply and stuff and their trailers are pushed down off the hill and into the bushes and stuff like that. And it's just they think, you know, it's people in messing around and being delinquents and stuff. And now seeing what I've seen, you know, and it just makes me think, well, maybe he doesn't want people up here.

Yeah, I hear you. So you think it's more of an animal that we haven't caught up with? I hear you. Yeah, it is, you and I are an agreement. It is weird that it hasn't been discovered yet for something so big to be a running. around. It's bizarre. And I don't have a great answer for anyone on why it hasn't been discovered yet. You know, I know your brother had nightmares and everything like that. How did it affect you having these two encounters? Well, I don't go up hunting by myself anymore. I've had a couple

other little things that could have been the big guy himself or is what I like, call in but I just um the peridelia thing with your eyes making shapes out of things and making making making it look like something else I've had I've had one of those um where I thought you know something was had a grimacing smile like at the chesire cat smiling at me and I just kind of packed up my fishing stuff and turned and walk back to my four wheeler and got on and and got out of there pretty quick and, you know, after these other two and everything like that, I

go with a big pistol and if nobody's going to go with me, I don't go hunting outside of my vehicle very far. I'll find a spot to sit and watch, but other than that, I don't, I won't go hiking in by myself anymore. It's just

it's not worth it. You know, I like my life and there's something like that's up there that, you know, can take it that easily. I'd just rather not mess with it. I had really, really bad night tears after this, I guess, so-called dog man thing to where I wasn't sleeping. I was diagnosed with like an insomnia thing where I was staying up for two or three days of the time. and just because I didn't want to sleep

and it screwed with a lot of stuff. But I, you know, I've worked through that and able to, able to, you know, keep it mainly out of my mind, but, I mean, talking about it now and stuff, it just brings everything back and kind of like a photographic memory, I can just look, you know, think of that face.

And, man, it just freaks me out. Sometimes, you know, I work. construction so I get up early in the morning and you know I'm out there in the dark and sometimes I get home at night and I'll sit there and check out you know the whole surroundings before I head out to my truck and stuff and I just I'm like you know what what if something like that happened again and I'm just out here just heading to work and all I got some my lunchbox you know I just I kind of get myself the willies about it and and I just I just kind of think that hopefully you know something won't be that that far over here in the city like I'm

I'm in now. Yeah, I think both encounters are actually pretty terrifying. I mean, the first one was throwing a log, then the second one was chasing the truck. It is strange that they don't quite catch you. And that's one of the questions I always have. You know, like when they come up to people's homes. I mean, you saw the size of both of the two creatures you saw. They'd have no troubles kicking open a door, killing everyone inside.

And there was pretty much nothing anyone could do about it. but they don't do that, which is bizarre to me. They'll come up and screw with people, but, yeah, there's a lot to impact there, man. It's really hard to understand some of the behavior. The second one, I guess, if he hit it with a rock, they do come after you people. I remember I had two guys in Florida, and they thought it was a big guy all in black, and they threw a rock at him. Because originally, they thought this guy was throwing rocks at them when they were out in the water.

So when they pulled up, he picked up a rock and threw it back at what he thought was a huge guy. It charged him, came after him, knocked him down. I think it broke a couple of his ribs. So it is kind of strange their behavior. You know, the first one, it makes me wonder what set it off. It could have been the noise of the motorcycles. It's hard to say. It's fascinating, man.

I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share it, Kelly. Thank you so much. Yeah, no problem, man. I just, you know, thank you for doing what you do. You know, you've helped help a lot of people, and it is kind of therapeutic to actually talk about it, because I think you're the first person I've told outside of family, and that's not, you know, you're not giving me any guess about it, you know. So it's kind of enlightening to know that there's other people that have experienced the same stuff.

and, you know, I appreciate this podcast is out there and everybody else that comes on and shares their stories, you know. It makes it easy for the rest of us. So thank you for everything. Yeah, thank you for the kind of words, Kelly. It means a lot to me that you would say that. And I'm honored you would come on and share it. Thank you again. Appreciate it, Wes.

Thanks, Kelly. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance, check out saskwatraunicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. Finer language.

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