Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:658 It Reminded Me Of A Man

Episode Date: May 29, 2020

Spoke to the witness and had a brief conversation, he said "while driving in York, Pennsylvania I saw this huge creature. It was bent down next to a creek. I stopped to look at it and other drivers pulled over. The creature stood up and had this look like it was upset it had been seen. It had something in its hand. The creature turned and looked at us. It reminded me of a man...a large...hairy man.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. What's what? They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet, but what I saw were bears. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. I don't know. Do you see a pounce, sir? Yes, I'm broken right here. Uh-oh.

I'm Robert Edgington from Northwest Indiana, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. You know a lot of the comments I've been getting lately regarding the show, people say, uh, Wes, why do you talk about the weird stuff? Can't we just talk about Bigfoot? Why don't you start calling your show the Paranormal Chronicles instead of Sasquatch Chronicles? And I understand where people are coming from to a certain point. But my answer is very simple.

I'm looking for the truth. No matter where that takes me or how uncomfortable it is. A lot of these self-proclaimed experts will tell you you can't solve one mystery with another mystery. That's true. My response back would be, nor can you pick and choose from a mystery to fit your agenda or beliefs. Most of you know Timothy Renner from the podcast Strange Familiar. I've had them on the show many times. And Tim and Joshua Cutchins wrote a book.

where the footprints ends. It's high strangeness and the Bigfoot phenomenon. And before Tim started writing this book, he was talking to me about writing this book and what I thought, my thoughts on it. And I said, you know, Tim, I would start with the Eighth Canyon story. Go back and read what Fred Beck wrote. There's more to that story than what the Bigfoot world tells you. And I've been guilty of this too. There's way more to that story when you read what Fred wrote. And so I have an upcoming show with Tim, and it's interesting when I talk to a lot of people, they'll say, uh, there's a long history of Sasquatch just being a normal animal. Look at the ape Canyon story. A bunch of apes attack these miners in this cabin. That's true. That did happen,

but there's a little bit more to the story no one ever addresses. Here's a clip from my interview with Tim. Fred Beck, he was one of the miners that was there. Everyone who's into Sasquatch has heard of Abe Canyon, I think. A lot of people have read about it. If you buy a book that's a general survey of Bigfoot, it'll usually have some mention of the Eight Canyon story in it. And every Bigfoot book I've ever read makes it sound like a guy shot at a Bigfoot, and then a bunch of Bigfoot came back later that night and attacked the cabin,

and that was pretty much it. But Fred Beck was one of the miners who was there. And he has a far stranger story to tell him. And I have a quote from him in the book, which I absolutely love. And he says, first of all, I'll say that they are not entirely of this world. By they, he meant the Bigfoot. I know the reaction we experienced as these beings attacked our cabin, impressed many with the concept of great ape-like men dwelling in the mountains.

And I can say that we genuinely fought and were quite fearful, and we were glad to get out of the mountains. But I was, for one, always conscious that we were dealing with supernatural beings. and I know the other members of the party felt the same. So there's a lot of what Josh and I have begun to call weirdwashing in the Bigfoot community where they take these stories and they cherry pick the parts that make them seem most like natural animals, like apes in the woods, and they throw out all the weirdness. So with respect to ape canyon, it started when these guys saw a giant, what they called it,

a giant Indian spirit, a Native American spirit, which told them to follow a white arrow through the wilderness. They follow this white arrow. Along the way, they meet another spirit, a woman who they called Vanderwhite. They don't describe her, but they said she was, you know, they named her Vanderwhite. And then they follow this arrow onto the mine, which they named the Vanderwhite mine. They named it after this female spirit they met. While they're there before any of the stuff that, you know, everybody knows about with the shooting the Bigfoot and the attack later on, they experience a number of weird things, including strange sounds coming from the ground.

like a rhythmic kind of drumming. They find two footprints in the middle of the sandbar. They said just an acre wide sandbar. There's just two footprints down the middle. They could not figure out how the footprints got there. One of the other miners, not Fred Beck, but one of the ones that was with them said it looked like they picked something up and dropped it down and picked it up again.

There was an apport. So these happen in poltergeist experiences. Things just appear or disappear. but he had a pencil appear in his hand. He said he knew it was at his house. He needed a pencil and a pencil appeared in his hand out of nowhere. So there's all this strangeness that goes along with this case that's just been washed away and you never hear about it. I know when we were talking before, West, you said, you know, that's one of the first things you brought up.

When I was talking about this book, you're like, have you read Fred Beck's Ate Canyon account? I was like, yes, I have. Absolutely. So what is the truth? And how much of it do you want to hear? You know, a while back, a listener had contact me and said, you know, I listened to all these YouTube channels where these people do these retelling of people's encounters. And there's a great one.

He even sent me a link and said, hey, you should contact the creator of this account and see if you can get the witness to come on your show. So I did. Come to find out, they're all fake stories. These people sit around, write stories, and then put them up on. YouTube and say, oh, this is a retelling of someone's encounter. Do you ever notice they never bring on a witness? They never bring anyone forward. It's always some lady or some guy retelling the stories. So what is the truth? And what is it that you want to hear? You know, I'm reminded

of the two brothers episode I did. And as I was talking to them, they constantly would talk about this woman in white and I would brush it off. I wanted to hear about Sasquatch. I didn't want to hear about a woman in white. And they thought it was a homeless woman. And they kept trying to tell me about this woman. And I would always change the subject or move on to, let's get back to Bigfoot. You know, this woman in white has been showing up since the beginning of time. People talk about this weird woman in white that shows up. Sometimes it's important to look into other genres or other subjects because you might pick up little crumbs, little nuggets of information that are useful and that you might be able to apply to the mystery you're trying to solve. Maybe those little crumbs

of information are worthless, but why not stop and listen? But this woman in white chapter, this started with, it's the We Need Help episode that I think myself and the fans usually just call the two brothers. And, you know, they were seeing a non-reuthers. And, you know, they were seeing a number of bigfoot creatures and having the very typical stuff with, you know, Bigfoot slap in the house and climbing on the roof and doing all that. But then you gave an update on a later episode and you see, you've never seen this really weird woman, this like hag-like woman who's walking around the neighborhood. She's tall and she's wearing white and she's wearing shoes that are too big,

look like they're too big for her feet, which is a very important detail, by the way. We'll get into that. And some people in the Sasquatch Chronicles, the forum, started saying, you know what, I've seen a weird woman in white and I drove down the road and I saw Bigfoot then. And I thought, well, okay, that's weird. Now that more than one person is reporting this. So I started just on my own kind of keeping track and I met with a witness. I think I mentioned it on Strange Familiar once that I was kind of interested in this idea. and a Bigfoot witness said, hey, I'd like to meet you at Michelle Forest where I had a couple encounters and I want to show you something there.

I said, absolutely. So we met there as a forest here in Pennsylvania and he takes me to a place called Pondbank. And he says, the reason I'm taking this, he said, we're less than a mile away from, he had two sightings once he, one he got roared at and another he saw a black Bigfoot one the blacker than black accounts. He said, it was the, you know, I'm sure you've taken reports to them, West, where people just say they look blacker than black, blacker than the night around them. Yeah, like the, almost like they suck up the light.

Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So it was one of those. And they were both less than a mile away from this area in Pondack. He said, now this area is famous for, there's a woman in white spirit here. They call her the white lady of Pondbank. So then I said, oh, okay.

Now, this is very interesting. I'm getting several cases now. But I started going back in folklore then, and I'll just take a moment to say, I say this in most every interview, I think it's important. I've heard a lot of the cryptozoologists, the self-annointed cryptozoologists, use the term folklore in a very dismissive way. They'll say, like, oh, that's just folklore. Like, it leaves a bad taste in their mouth. And I think that's a mistake. I think there's a lot of truth that's passed down through the folk process.

For instance, you know, the easiest example is like, this plant will heal you and this plant will kill you. You know, these are things that have been passed down in folk tales and folk stories over the years. And I think these folk stories, they get exaggerated, they get changed a little bit. But the essential truth is still there. And what it is, it's our relatives, our, you know, from the past, our ancestors, telling us how they dealt with these weird things a lot of the times. And a lot of these things are very important because you can learn a lot of lessons. from the way our relatives dealt with the things that were like Bigfoot,

which they wouldn't have called Bigfoot. They would have called them Wild Men or before that. They would have called them Wadwows or something else. So I started to look in the folklore for these women in white. And going back in time, I found this woman from Germany. They said she was the Teutonic Moon goddess. But she's really a lot more like Baba Yaga, the witch from Russian folklore. And her name is Perkta.

And the interesting thing about Perkta is she would call children from the wilderness. She says she was very interested in children, just like Bigfoot reports. If they followed her, they'd never come back. You know, so she'd leave them into the woods, they'd never come back. She was said to be an old hag woman who either wore white or she could appear also as a young woman in white. They said Perkta had either one or two feet that were too big for her body. Now, if you remember the woman from the two brothers episode, they said she was wearing shoes that looked like clowns. shoes like too big for her and the reason this perk to wore that uh or had the big feet they said

it's because she had bird feet now this is very and this is something that josh pointed out to me if there's a problem in the bigfoot community with three three three-toed tracks a lot of people say well it doesn't make sense the primate shouldn't have three-toed tracks etc but if you think of a bird foot what it would look like now they actually have four toes but the fourth toe is is facing backwards the appearance of a bird's track is as three toes. And that was part of my interview with Timothy Renner and Josh Cutchins. I hope you guys enjoy it. There is a lot of nuggets in there, a lot of little information to gather from that interview. There's a method to my madness. No, I'm not burnout. No, I'm not tired of talking about Bigfoot,

but I'm looking for the truth. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. We're going to be talking to Scott. And Scott's actually a truck driver. He was driving through Pennsylvania, and he saw a creature. He thought it was a bear, so he pulled over to take a look, and he wasn't the only witness that pulled over to look at this creature. It turned out not to be a bear. A very fascinating account.

Actually, if you hear a lot of the behavior Scott talks about, it reminds me of Claire's encounter, you know, the lady in the intro from England that was in California that ran into a creature. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Scott to the show. Scott, thanks for coming on. Hey, how you doing there, buddy? I'm doing well, man. I'm doing well. Thank you so much for being here. And I know you had quite the encounter there in Pennsylvania. If you would, kind of just kind of start from the beginning. Tell us what you were doing. And what happened? What did you see? Okay, sure, definitely. Well, first of, first of,

foremost, I want to thank you, you know, for allowing me to join this platform. I mean, it means a lot. I've been going through quite a bit these past few days. And, you know, upon talking to you, I felt so much better. I think I got more sleep last night than I had in the past week. So I want to thank you first and foremost. I appreciate that. Well, I'm, excuse me, I'm a 51 years old. You know, I currently live in Maryland. I've been driving tractor trailer and, you know, trucks. I've had my CDL license now for the past 10, 15 years. And excuse me, I used to be over the road.

I used to work with Schneider, which is a, you know, a trucking company. And I was out on the road maybe a month, month and a half. And then I would come back and spend time with my parents. And, you know, I've got kind of old after a while, you know, the older my parents, you know, were getting. the more I wanted to be close to them to help. So I basically came back to Maryland and got a local job, which is where I am now. And it's a local produce and seafood company out of Jessup, Maryland. I've been working there now for the past probably a year and a half.

And what we're responsible for doing is delivering produce and seafood and various items to different grocery stores and mom and pop stores. one of the stores that we actually delivered to was a place well known in Pennsylvania is like a rudders Rutter store is the name of it Ruttors it's kind of like your Wawa or 711 you know it sells different items of course it sells you know the items that we bring in which is the fresh fruits of vegetables well because of the COVID you know this madness COVID virus that's going on we were no longer allowed to deliver to the actual store So we had to deliver to, it's a distribution, a big distribution center, and that's in York, PA,

which brings me, fast forward to where, you know, to the event. I had a delivery at the rudder's distribution in York PA. And excuse me, I kind of wrote this stuff down, so I wouldn't forget, you know, where I was and times and so forth. it was approximately 935 Tuesday on the 21st. I believe that was the day, the 21st. And again, I was coming from Jess at Maryland, from our way to York, PA.

I was traveling on the road. It's called Farm Trail Road, which it says here is Route 38. It's kind of a country, farmish-type road. You know, you see the trees, you see the, you know, the different animals and so forth and so on. Well, as I was driving on 238, was coming up on this bridge. And again, I'm just looking, you know, looking to the left and the

right, paying attention to what's in front of me. And at the time, there really wasn't a lot of traffic that was traveling, you know, during this morning. So, excuse me, so as I was coming up on this bridge, I looked over to my right. And from a distance, all I saw was a, I would say that I thought it was a bear, because again, it was just something black that was on the side. of the road. And when I mean by side of the road, if I was crossing as I was crossing over the bridge, it was probably 35, 25, 25 yards out. My first thought is, oh, my God, look at this bear. And I've never seen a bear in my life other than on television. So I'm excited for that in general. I'm like, oh, my God, look at this thing. And it was kind of, the way it was positioned, it had this

back towards the bridge. So I couldn't make out any details other than it was something big and something black. My mindset is, well, it's got to be a bear. So what I did was as I as I crossed over the bridge, I stopped like 20 yards past the bridge. And I said, oh my God, I've got to get out and see this. You know, I want to see what this is. You know, again, thinking it's a bear. Silly me, I didn't think to grab my phone because I was so excited. I walked about 10 yards from the truck and I said, oh, well, let me go back and get my phone. And then I thought, well, Wes, you know what? If I go here, it might disappear. So at least I'll get to see it. So I kept going and I walked up on the bridge. And as I got up on the bridge and I'm looking at this thing

still with its back turned to me, another car, another car pulled over. Of course, I won't give his name, but another gentleman had pulled over. And he, you know, I guess he was right behind my truck on the side. And he kind of starts trotting to me and says, hey, did you see that? that and I'm telling him it's right here. Look, it's right here. So as he comes up, we're standing side by side. He's on my left shoulder and we're both holding onto the rail looking over the looking over the railing. And as we're looking at this thing, he starts to say, what is that? Kind of loud. And again, I'm not going to, not going to curse. You know, there were words you, curse words being used. Yeah. And he's saying, what is that? What? And I'm like, is that a bear? We're still trying to get, you know, how you

kind of squint in to see if your, you know, if your eyes are seeing what you think you're seeing. We're both saying, what is that? When it turned first, it kind of, it was already squatted. And it kind of turned at, if you can imagine a clock, it kind of turned to one o'clock. And his words, the gentleman's words were, that's no effing bear. And I think I tried to describe this to you when I spoke with you earlier, Wes, when you It's almost like when you walk up on someone and they're caught and it's almost like, oh, damn, you know, okay, you got me. That's what this thing's body language was as it started standing up.

Now, again, even though the gentleman to my left is saying, that's, you know, that's no bear, that's no bear. I'm saying, in my mind, what else could it be? It has to be a bear. This thing starts to stand. It stands up, and I'm looking at it. It's legs and I'm looking at his arms. Arms are huge. His arms were huge.

As he starts to stand up, the bottom of his fingers never moved. And what I mean by that is if you squat down as a human being, once you start standing up, even as a bear, if you start standing up, at some point in time, your hands are going to follow. Your arms, your hands are going to follow. This thing never did. It stayed right below his, right near the kneecaps. when this thing stood up, it was absolutely massive.

Never in my life, have I ever seen something that big. I've never, and it was kind of a, kind of a woe moment. Like, whoa, wait, wait a minute. I knew then it wasn't a bear, but in my mind, I can't think of anything else. I'm like, is this somebody playing jokes? Is this a guy in a suit? When it stood full tilt, when it stood, full tilt, when it stood up fully, I'm taking a guess eight, eight and a half foot, massive.

Shoulders, shoulders looked like they were about three and a half, maybe four feet across. I mean, just absolutely massive. And I noticed there was something in its left, in its left hand. What I initially thought may have been a dog, I believe, Wes, I believe it was a goat. Because that's the only thing that was kind of, again, it was a medium, size animal. So if it wasn't a, if it wasn't a goat, it was a dog. But I'm thinking more along the lines of a goat. And its neck looked like it was broken. You know, it was definitely, it was deceased. As you're looking at the back of this thing, whatever this tall thing was,

you can see it. The goat in its left hand, his neck was covering his fingers. It's almost like his neck was broken, if I'm explaining that correctly. Or if I'm describing it correctly. So anyway, this guy next to me, I'm almost in shock. I'm kind of like, okay, what is this thing? You know, what is it going to do? The guy next to me, he starts to yell. You know, he's still saying the same, that's no effing bear. What the, that's no effing bear.

When he said that, this thing turned again. Now, initially it was at like 1 o'clock. After it stood up, it turned to 2 o'clock. it looked at us in a freakish West I can't even describe the movement of this it was just a freakish look at us when it looked when it looked back over its

kind of like over its right shoulder it gave a little like a huff I can't do it I can't make the sound that this thing made but it was kind of like a kind of like a bull but just louder and more intense and it turned, it turned towards us with the thing still in its left hand, whatever that thing was,

it bawled up its fist and it slammed his right fist on the ground into the water and the mud. And at that point, I think I told you, I think I told you when I spoke with you before that there's no shame in me saying this, but I literally urinated on myself because I was not prepared for any of this. And when it did that, it completely scared me. I was absolutely shocked. I didn't know, okay, is this thing going to charge us? First of all, what is this thing? I knew that it definitely was not a bear. It was not an ape. The face was looking more. I think I believe I sent you a photo of it, because I tried to do a little research. It kind of resembled a Neanderthal, a Neanderthal man. the only difference is it was a lot more hair, a lot more hair on the head.

It was kind of matted. There was no smell. There was no sounds other than the hoofing of the of the nose or whatever that grunt sound that it made. But the freakish thing was, you know, as we're sitting there looking at this thing, I'm in shock. You know, this guy next to me, he's going crazy. once it put its fists into the ground, it squatted in a way that I think I explained to you before. I can't explain the movement of this thing.

The only way I could describe it is if you were actually going to drop down and do, as a human, you're going to drop down and do push-ups, and you take your left arm and your right arm and you put them out to the side, and you put your legs as far out as you can, almost looking like an X, if that makes any, sense or a sideways h i'm trying to figure out the best way to describe the way this thing looked it dropped down almost like a transformer and i know that sounds crazy but i can't think of anything else that this thing looked like as it dropped down and begin to look like a uh eight and a half

nine foot spider this thing took off i mean with whatever this thing was tucked under its arm it took off through the water, through the woods. Right before that happened, I'm sorry, I was getting ahead of myself, right before that happened, I'm trying to tell the guy, get your phone, get your phone, use an explicit word, get your phone, we need a picture, get a picture, get a picture, get your phone. Just as he starts to get his phone, it was almost like this thing hurt us, as if to say, okay, I've got to get out of here. And when it dropped West, this thing, the only way I could describe it is like a jet,

a cheetah on steroids it took off and i've never seen anything that big move that fast never never have i ever seen anything like that which is why it kind of put me in a i'm trying to find the best i was just kind of stunned again your mind is not meant to see certain things in life and i honestly feel that was something that i wasn't meant to sit that my body just wasn't wasn't prepared for in my mind, you know, my system, whatever you want to call it. So fast forward to the time when it actually, I mean, it just bolted, it jetted. The gentleman next to me decides he wants to, you know, call the police and let them know what was going on. Let them know that there was something, you know, running loose out of here.

We can't explain what it is, blah, blah, blah. But the funny thing is instead of the, he called the county. Yeah, I guess it was the York County police, you know, but they didn't come out. out, it was the state trooper that came out. And when the state trooper came out, he got our, you know, he didn't get our information. He got our, you know, what happened. He, uh, he asked the other gentleman first, you know, what did you see, you know, can you describe it? And then when he asked me, I told him exactly, you know, what I saw. And, uh, he was like, well, yeah, you know, we do have a lot of, you know, reported bears in this area. And, you know, the other gentleman looked, look, we looked at

each other and we said, that wasn't a bear. I know what a bear. I know what a bear. bear looks like. Granted, I've never seen one in person up close, but if you're going to tell me that bears have arms that are as long as that go down to their calves, I don't think so. This thing was massive. I've never even seen a bear on TV this big.

This thing was extremely massive. And there was some moss. I remember telling him just how big this thing was. There was some moss on a tree, a moss or whatever type of growth that was on a tree. And I told him, If you look at that growth, that's how tall. That's how massive this thing was.

And when he looked at it, he said, well, so you're telling me this thing was about eight. It looks like it's about nine foot tall. I said it was about eight, eight and a half foot tall. And I remember him taking his hat off and kind of wiping his brow. And the next thing he said was, oh, you guys aren't from around here, huh? To me, that didn't fit to me. Again, I don't want to go to the whole conspiracy theory. That just didn't fit for him to say something.

What does that have to do with anything? The gentleman that was with me was saying, well, I'm from Lancaster. He said, and I've been hunting since I was knee-high to a grasshopper. He said, I've never in my life seen anything like that. He said, that was no effing bear. I want to ask you how far away, so you guys are kind of up on the roadway. How far away from you is this saying? Maybe 30 yards?

It was close. It was close. Yeah, that's really close. You know, one of the things that's fascinating is how it slammed its fist to the ground. And I know you're kind of a new listener to the show, Claire, in the beginning. She's the one woman from England that's talking. And her encounter happened in California. But she said something very similar.

If you listen to that full account, she talks about it slamming its fist to the ground, almost like throwing a tantrum or, you know. Why do you think in your situation? it did that. Do you think it's because you guys were, the guy that you're with was saying, it's no, I'm embarrassed, no, you know, what do you think it kind of set it off? Well, if I could, I'm thinking, you know, there were a couple of things that kind of ran through my mind. I was thinking that it was probably ticked off that we were actually there, and it wasn't expecting us. So it almost, again, if I go back a little bit, it always, it always, It almost seemed like it was playing the, if I'm still, as long as I stay still, they won't see me.

And I know that's not what it's thinking, but that's kind of the movement. And then again, when it stood up, it was like, oh, God, okay, you caught me. And then it just said, well, you know what, now I'm pissed. You know, they're there. They're not leaving. You know, they're not leaving me alone. Are they after my food? I mean, it was a lot of things that I thought about as to why it did what it did.

but I think I would really have to go with it just, I think it was pissed based on the slam of the fist and then that noise, that that grunt or whatever that noise was. The combination of that, I would say the thing was definitely pissed. Yeah, it's fascinating, too, how they drop. You know, after my encounter, you know, one of the things I said during my encounter was that it collapsed almost like a like a transformer, really. I mean, it's so bizarre because, you know, if you and I get down on one, get down to on all fours, Scott, we're going to put down one hand first kind of, you know, it's slow and it's clumsy. But, you know, what I saw, I mean, you literally blink an eye and it's, it's on all fours. And they don't, they don't move like guerrillas on all fours. And I remember I got so much crap for that when I, me and my brother talked about that because all of these self-proclaimed experts go, well, they don't really move like that.

They don't get down on all fours like that. I'm like, oh, I'm just telling you what I saw. And since doing the show, I hear a lot of eyewitnesses talk about that, how it's like a spider. It's creepy to see them on all fours. It's very, it's not natural, in my opinion. No, it's definitely not natural. And those are the two analogies that I use. You know, one was the Transformers.

And, you know, I actually have, I have a phobia, you know, of spiders. You know, I had a tarantula thrown on me when I was a young teenager and I never really recuperate. from that. So that was one of the first things, first little creepy things that just made me, it's like, whoa, wait a minute. First of all, you're too big to be doing that type of a movement, and you're definitely too big to be moving as fast as you did.

Again, blink of an eye, blink of an eye, it dropped, and another blink of an eye, it was gone. Like, again, unnatural, unnatural. Yeah, very much. And, you know, in your encounter, the picture you sent me, it almost looks very human-like. Yes. As opposed to like a great ape or non-human primate.

Yes, yes. I think the way I tried to describe it to you once before, I mentioned the movie Ice Man. It's an older movie with Timothy Hutton. He stars in it, and it's basically about a caveman who they found and thought him out. And to be honest with you, for the past few days, before I spoke with you,

that was the vision in my head. sleep because that's that's what I would see I would see that face on that body and it just I mean we're talking no sleep no sleep I wasn't eating you know my digestive system was messed up you know and I just couldn't I couldn't turn anyone you know I couldn't say hey you know this is what's going on I couldn't go to a doctor because of this whole COVID mess so it it's been it's been a rough it's been a rough few days it really has and I still get visions of it at times um again I just got back to work. You know, I was off for a few days. I just couldn't. I didn't want to leave the house. I just didn't. You know, and I used to fight. I've been fighting with this. God, I really want to see one, you know,

to kind of validate what I saw. I want to see another one. But then at the same time, I don't know if I want to see another one because I had such a hard time sleeping and eating after I saw this. So I'm kind of torn right now as to, you know, what I really want. Yeah, no, and I understand. And this happened so recent that it's going to stick with you for a while. while. Did you get the impression it was male or female, or do you have an opinion on that? I didn't see, well, I would say it was a male, and the only reason I would say that is because if by some chance these things, you know, if this was a saskatch, if by some means they have, the females have breast, I didn't see anything. I didn't see any breast. What I did see when it

turned was, I think I described it to you at one point in time. It looked like someone had taken like two pillows, two or three pillows and stuffed them up under their shirt. That's how barrel this chest was. The chest was just, again, I've never seen anything this big. This thing would put Andre to John to shame. It was, it was huge. It was muscular and it did not look happy that we were there. Yeah, they generally don't look very happy, especially when they see you. It makes you wonder what it was doing. Do you think it was sitting there? I know we're speculating right now, but do you think it Was it drinking from the creek or do you think it was sitting down to eat and then you guys showed up? Or do you think it was passing through?

Kind of what do you think it was doing by the time you guys stopped? I honestly think that it was whatever that thing was in its left hand, which we're going to say is a goat. I think he was washing the goat. That's just because, again, the way it was just kind of sitting and kind of, I knew it was in the water. It just seemed like it was washing something. And that's the visual that I got. And I'm like, well, what is this, what is this bear doing, sitting like that? It looks kind of weird for a bear.

Okay, let me turn around. Let me look at this. That's what I think. I think it was getting ready to eat, probably washing his food and got extremely kicked off. You know, when it said, oh, God, you know, I'm trying to eat and hear these guys trying to disturb my meal or are they trying to take my food? Well, I'm going to show them. That's what I would think.

And again, I'm, you know, what do I know? Yeah, no, I understand. I think perspective is important. And, you know, the best person to ask is you, you're there, you know. But I understand what you're saying. It's kind of hard to, who knows what it was doing. But that is kind of fascinating. You know, with most animals or even humans, you know, you get in between their food and they get pissed, you know. And it's amazing how it didn't come after you guys, how it ended up just kind of running off and didn't engage. It didn't actually come after you guys. You and that other gentleman. that stopped. Yes, and I will say this, if it had of made any type of movement toward, there would have been nothing we could have done. I mean, looking at the way that thing moved, if it had decided, you know what, not only do I want to go, but I want to get these two as well, there wouldn't have been anything we could have done because I was, again, I was about 20 yards from my truck, he would have gotten me probably on my fifth step. He would have had me. So, again, this thing.

was an absolute just beast. And I'm so glad it went the other way. I really, really am. I'm so glad it went the other way. Yeah, I understand that. I definitely understand that. Did you, when the cop left, did you get a chance to talk to the other guy that stopped? I mean, did he say, hey, you know what, that, did he give you sort of any impression on what he thought it was? You know, I believe that he was probably just as shocked as I was. He was just, talking more along the lines of how long he's been hunting and can you believe that and what do you think it was he never came out of his mouth and said bigfoot saskatch he did say monster he said we just we just saw an effin monster that was one of his favorite words effing but he was like

we just saw effing monster never said saskwashed never said bigfoot again it took me a while to kind of to kind of come to the grips of what else could this have possibly been i mean and again maybe you could maybe you know of something else it could have possibly been because if not then i'm going to say saskatch period yeah i think it was you know there there's a famous case i want to say it was in russia um around the turn of the century and these russian soldiers go up to this cave and they have them in russia they call them the alma or alma almasa see they have different names for them, kind of like how we do. And these, so these Russian soldiers go up because they're trying to find, you know, rebel soldiers,

what we would call like terrorists today. Basically, they were trying to find them. And they got word they were up in this hill, hillside, up in these caves hiding. So the Russian military goes up to this cave. And as they're approaching the cave, they hear what sounds like somebody in the cave. So they start yelling for them to come. out because they think it's going to be these, you know, rebel soldiers they're going to capture. And what ends up coming out of the cave is pretty, pretty much like with a

picture you sent me, a lot of the Russian soldiers said, and they blasted it. I mean, every one of them opened up on this thing. Of course. But what they said, what, it was a hairy Neanderthal. They said, it reminded them of a Neanderthal or a caveman or something to that effect. And they ended up shooting this thing. And it amazes me when I first got into, interviewing people, because in my mind I thought we were looking for some sort of non-human primate or great ape or gorilla, that sort of thing. And what used to really throw me off in the beginning is when I would talk to people in the Northeast in America in the northeast section of the United States, because what they would always say is they would describe them very similar

to how you describe them. The body is basically a Sasquatch, but the face is not a non-human primate, most people would say it was very human-like in the face. And that always kind of bothered me a little bit that they would say that. But I've come to the conclusion there must be different types of these things because if you go down to like Texas, a lot of what they say is it looks like a chimp in the face. Like it has a human nose, but it looks more like a chimpanzee. And it's so bizarre, man. It's so bizarre. I would imagine that, you know, it's going to bother you for a long time. I know you haven't been sleeping well, you know, as far as... And it's going to bother you for a long time. There's nothing really, there's no quick fix to it. It's just something that'll eventually... I think the more you learn about it, the more it helps kind of get rid of some of that PTSD, because it really is PTSD. I mean, you saw something that was not supposed to exist. And... There you go. Exactly. You're face to face with it, you know.

Oh, man. I will definitely say that I kind of looked, I went back and look, I hope I'm saying this right, is that the Patterson Gimlin film? Yeah, yeah. Am I saying that correct? Yeah, I was looking at that the other day and was saying, this thing is the complete opposite. You know, I can't tell the size of it on the black and white, but I know that the thing that I saw looked like a, looked like a hairy bodybuilder. with a V-back. It's the only way I could explain.

And again, it looked completely different than that. So I would say they would have to be different ones because those look completely different, you know? Yeah. And most people, to be honest with these, Scott, most people say that after they have an encounter. I used to ask all the time, how would you compare it to the Patterson Gimlin film or what they call Patty? And most people would say that what I saw did not look like. the Patterson Gimlin creature at all. What I saw was very different. Based on what you saw, what do you think that they are? Scott, what's kind of your opinion as far as what these things are?

And there's no wrong answer, of course, because no one knows. Right. Okay. I would have to say it's probably some form of a primate that hasn't been discovered. I mean, I know that sounds crazy, but it's like I that's the only thing that would make sense to me you know I've tried to do a little bit of research on you know like the Nephilim and then you try to speak of UFOs and so forth and so on this is the only thing that would make sense this is something that just hasn't been discovered at some point in time I think I think the government knows about this I really do I think the government knows a lot about this and they're just not saying too much because of the panic that would go on and then people getting the guns and going out there and acting crazy and looking for them. So that would be my guess.

I just think it's a primate that just hasn't been discovered. Yeah, I sure hope you're right. I definitely hope you're right. Is this the weirdest thing that's ever happened to you in your life seeing this creature? I'm trying to put things in order

because I have in my past I have dabbled with you know with with paranormal groups you know one out of Georgia and then There was a group out of out of New Jersey, you know Bellwood Paranormal You know I dabbled with them for a little while so well there were quite a few things that happened But not to the extent of not to the extent of this you know the only thing I could possibly compare Maybe is when I got I got scratched up on an investigation I Again, I have pictures of all of that and the video or whatever the case may be.

Tell me about it. What happened? Where were you guys up? I wish I could remember the exact location. I do know it was in New Jersey. And from what we understood, I'll just give you the guy's first name. His name was Fred. It was his grandfather's home. It was like a, God, I'm trying to make sure I get all the, some of the It was like farmland. And from what we understood, there was a, there was a, his granddaughter who, I have to put the color in here so you'll understand what I'm saying. The granddaughter, she was white and she was seeing an African American guy.

And for some reason, whenever they would go into this barn, they were saying tools and stuff would be knocked off the wall and they couldn't quite understand what was going on. And so they actually called Bellwood Paranormal, which is the group that I remember of. And when we went out there, we tried to get basic information, you know, because the first thing you want to do is you want to try to debunk. You don't want to go someplace and say, oh, you know, this place is haunted. Oh, this goes, the group that I was a part of, we want to go there. We want to say, okay, what's going on, you know, give us a gist of what you've seen, you know, how you've been feeling, blah, blah, blah. So we would actually, you know, after we did the interviews and found out that the grandfather, or the great-grandfather, was a slave owner.

So it became, okay, you start putting two and two together, and you're like, oh, okay, well, maybe this is what it was. So naturally, you know, with me being African-American, they're like, we're going to go into this barn and we're going to check out some things and we're going to see if anything happens. So long story short, we go into this. barn and we start, you know, just looking through different things. And Wes, as I went up the stairs, I had another gentleman that was with me and, you know, we're just looking at different items. It felt as though I had a beast thing. That was the initial, you know, like, like, whoa, oh man, I got a bug or something on me. And then it happened again. And I said, what? Whoa. And then right after the second time, it was just intense pain. It felt like fire. Like I was being,

burned and I said, oh my God. So I went to my knees and the gentleman that was to my left, he grabs me. He calls for the founder of our group who was there. His name was, his name was Richard. He passed a few months ago, you know, God rest of soul. But you started calling Richard, Richard, hey, something's going on. So as they pulled me out, I said, well, something's on me, man, something. Get my shirt off, get this stuff off of here. When they took my shirt off, I had welps what we what looked like whip marks and i know that sounds crazy but again i have the i have the pictures of it it it felt like i was being stung but in actuality they had to be whip marks that's the only thing that makes sense and they're all over my back and so of course once that happened

and we were all in 100 percent investigation mode it's like okay get the cameras out you know let's let's sit down, let's ask some questions, blah, blah, blah. They actually had a news crew come out and they interviewed me and they spoke with some of the other people that were there. So that's pretty much that in a nutshell. So if I would have to, that would be number two, though. This Sasquatch sight is number one beyond a shadow of doubt, without question. Yeah, that's terrifying, man.

How long did the marks last? Did they go away when you left the place or was it something that had to heal? No, they had they had to heal They were Probably if I had to take a guess Probably about We can half to two weeks You know again I'll make sure that I say

Because I save it to my phone I mean I definitely have that as a Okay I'm a I'm a believer I was a believer before But when something Physically happens to you It becomes oh okay Okay I don't care what you say

I don't know what you say I know what I felt and I know what I have on my back and I know that everyone who saw me in there walking, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to whip my own back and they were fresh, fresh marks. That's terrifying, man. Yeah, it was absolutely terrifying. It was, you know, it didn't stop me though. But again, if you're going into a paranormal hot spot, you expect certain things to happen, which is why I would have to rate that number two.

If I'm driving a truck, I don't expect to see a nine-foot creature on a small. side of the road holding a goat. It's just not something my body was prepared for. So that would definitely have to be my number one without question. Now, I appreciate you sharing that, man. Like I said, that's terrifying. Do you, with your job, do you still do long distance, or is it mainly just local? And do you plan on doing any long distance hauling in the future? I actually, well, I think what we're going to do, we're probably going to start up soon, you know, once places start opening up because I was doing. in DC, Maryland, Virginia, and there were times when I would do, you know, Pennsylvania,

they cut down on a lot of that, you know, with a lot of places that were closing down. So probably in the next couple of weeks, the more places start opening, the more travel I'm actually going to have, both in the tractor trailer and the 26-footer. I hear you. Well, you have to let me know if anything else happens when you're out there driving around, you know, if you, it's definitely life-changing. my heart goes out to you because no one's really prepared to see one. And I learned a long time ago, even some of these researchers and some of the self-proclaimed experts that I'd be out with.

There was one guy, one ran across the trail in front of him. He came back white as a ghost. I couldn't believe that it ran right in front of him right across the trail. And he had a camera in his hand. And so he could have filmed the whole thing, but he was in such shock. So I think even people who've seen them before and go out looking for them, it's still shocking to run into one. I don't care what anyone says.

It's shocking to run into one. You know, because they're so big, you just don't know what they're going to do. And then in your case, when you see how fast they can move, you're like, man, I could have blink my eyes and the same could have been on top of me. And there would have been nothing anyone could have done to stop it. You know what I mean? Nothing. Truck would have been there and I would have been gone.

So again, that was, there was one thing I did forget to tell you, which is, I don't know, you take out of this what you want. Just yesterday, just yesterday, just yes. And that, keep in mind, I don't, you know, I'm not in trouble. I don't have any warrants. I don't have anything wrong. A state trooper came to my apartment in which I've only been here since the 10th of this month. A state trooper came to my door, knocked on the door.

And I'm thinking, oh, my God, what's going on? Is everything okay? I opened the door and I said, yes, sir. He says, your name, Rose Scott? I said, yes, sir, is everything okay? West, he just says, okay, we're just doing a welfare check to make sure everything is okay. And I said, what are you getting a welfare check to somebody call? He said, no, no, this is something we do, you know, on a regular, you know, every now and then we'll check because of the COVID.

Do you know they didn't check anything else but my apartment? They didn't check anyone because I watched them. And I'm thinking, why would he come here and checking on my welfare? Do you think that's kind of weird or you just, I don't know, it just seemed weird to me. Yeah, it's a little strange, especially since you and I talked yesterday. Exactly. I think that there is a cover-up going on with these things. I don't think, you know, like in your situation, I don't think they're going to care that much.

The minute you have some form of evidence, because no matter what you believe, what Sasquatch is, you know, some people think he goes in and out of different dimensions. Some people think it's very physical. Some people, you know, and there is a little bit too. some of those different theories. I mean, you could make an argument for just about any one of those theories. But they do leave a trace evidence when they are, when people run into them, you know, whether that be footprints, hair, you know, the killing of animals, the breaking of trees, throwing of rocks. They do leave a trace evidence of them being around, you know, and who knows what they are. But I think a lot of times if you are able to collect some of that trace evidence or if you

have blood samples or then they then I think you might end up getting a visit. But it is weird. I mean, don't get me wrong. It is bizarre. He would stop buying. I would have got him for profiling. I've been like, you profiled me. You know what I mean? I want to nail them for it. Because it is weird. I mean, why doesn't he go check anyone else? You know what I mean? Why only check your apartment? That's weird. It was about 30, maybe about 30, 40 minutes after our conversation. It was just weird. And I'm like, what?

He was like, okay, well, you have a good evening. I said, you too. And he went to his car and left the complex. I said, okay. I have no idea what that was about none. Yeah. I'm not saying it was related. I'm just saying it was just weird that I get off the phone with you.

And then it's like, boom. It is weird. It is very weird. Yeah. Well, stay in touch with me. Scott, let me know if you come across to anything else or if you're out there driving, you know, and keep your head up. But time does help, you know, after an encounter. When time starts to go by and the more you kind of look into it, the more it kind of evens it out and you, I think once you accept that they are real, even though you saw them, you know, and you, but there's always that moment after an encounter, even in my own encounter where I thought, God, did I really see that?

Did I dream that up? You know, and you're so unsure of yourself because it's so weird. But time definitely helps with it. And if there's anything I can do for you, I mean, you have myself one number. Feel free to hit me up anytime, ma'am. Hey, man, I greatly, greatly appreciate this, Wes. And again, I don't mean to be the dead horse. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart, man,

because I was starting to question my sanity. And, you know, it was almost like you're a fallen angel. I was like, you know what? I really, really appreciate this, man. You've given people a platform, you know, a non-judgmental platform to talk about their experiences, man. So love you, bro, and I really appreciate it. Really do. I appreciate the kind of words. Thanks so much, Scott.

And thanks so much for coming on and sharing your encounter. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone. I like