Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:668 I Think It Followed Me Home

Episode Date: July 3, 2020

"I think something followed me home and we have had several other weird things happen, my wife and two small kids seeing things that are alarming."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chumtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw were bears. What's going on? What do you report? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh.

And I'm Gwen. And you're listening to Test Watch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. We're going to be talking to Chui, who is from Idaho, and he lives near a canyon, and he decided to go down to this canyon. He met a good friend of his, Raymond, who we will also be talking to.

And Raymond actually is a federal investigator. And so they go down into the canyon. have an encounter down in the canyon and Chewy goes home, Cheey doesn't live, he's out in the country, he doesn't live far from this canyon, and he starts experiencing weird things around his house, something on his roof, his children and his wife telling him they saw an upright dog looking over the fence, seven foot tall fence, and just a lot of really bizarre things going on and around Chewy's home.

And so we'll be going into all of that tonight. Thank you so much for being here tonight. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Chewy to the show. Chewy, thanks for coming on. Yeah, you bet, man.

Thanks for having me. Yeah, and I also want to welcome Raymond to the show. Raymond, thanks for coming on. Thank you, Wes. I appreciate it. Yeah, and I know you and I will be doing a separate interview to kind of go over the encounters you've had. without Chui, but you guys are both out there in Idaho. And Chooey, I'll start with you.

Why don't you tell us how you guys met and kind of walk us into your first encounter? Yeah, yeah, you bet. Well, when I first met Raymond, he had a Bigfoot sticker on the back of his truck. And that sparked my interest because, you know, I've had some, you know, an encounter years ago. and my families had encounters the bigfoot so we just you know started talking and before we knew it we had the same interest the same beliefs and and that kind of kicked it off and so what led us to our first adventure was you know him telling me he was he was really like kind of showed me more like opened the window and i got to see how vast these creatures you know cryptids were and And researching all the encounters that happen here in our canyon here in Idaho and Twin Falls. And those of you guys who know the area here in Idaho, it's the city rest on the edge of a giant canyon that's actually deeper than the Grand Canyon. Just a massive canyon.

And it has breakoffs of smaller canyons that run through our whole area. And one of those small breakoffs is actually like three blocks from. my house. It's just down the street less than three blocks. And so Raymond and I decided to go and just to investigate the area by my house. Just one of the reasons why is, you know, when we first moved here, we went to the canyon rim and we wanted to go hiking. And I remember asking a house, the house is closest to the canyon if there was a trail. And the gentleman said, no, there's not, that we shouldn't go that way. And I went anyway, and there was a trail,

and we just hiked down a little bit. And a few days after that, the city put up a giant fence with a welded bar fence, you know, and it was off limits. You couldn't go in there anymore. So when I told Raymond this, he's like, oh, we got to go down and check it out. So that's what we did.

We went down there in the daytime, drove in my vehicle from my house down there, like I said, it's just down the street. But we weren't planning on staying until nighttime because in the canyon, it's down in the canyon. It gets darker a lot faster and it gets pitch black when it gets dark. So we weren't carrying flashlights or anything. So we're down there walking. You know, we grab a little piece of grass and you put it between your thumbs and you could do like wounded rabbit calls and stuff.

So we were doing that. And we heard a giant growl. And this growl, we assumed it was a mountain lion. It sounded like a mountain lion. And in that general area, we remember, like, looking up the tree and seeing this tree that was just shredded. I mean, it was, like, 10 to 12 foot up this tree. Like, somebody just took a chainsaw and shredded the heck out of it. And so we knew, like, ooh, that looks like a grizzly or something, but there are no grizzlies here on this part of Idaho.

So we kind of, we turned around. We thought it was wise. We went the opposite direction. And we get to hiking and we're talking, having a good time, talking about cryptid stuff and just our different perspectives of what these creatures are, mainly Bigfoot. That's what we went down there for was to see, you know, if there were signs of Bigfoot because they're reported here in this area. And we're walking. And before we know it, it's dark, you know, because we're just having fun out. they're hiking and enjoying the scenery and it turned dark and we're like man we you know got ahead of

ourselves we're like an hour away from the truck so right when it starts to get dark we start hearing movement around us like twigs breaking rustling and and for me i'm i'm already terrified i don't even have a weapon like raymond is the one he's carrying like a 41 caliber and and i don't have anything I think I have like a pocket knife. And so I'm walking in, and this is like my first real investigation or, you know, whatever you want to call it. So I'm like, really scared. And then we start hearing all this movement around us. And it sounds like multiple animals or whatever moving out there in the brush.

And, you know, we live in the desert area here in Idaho and the Magic Valley. But in the canyon, if you go down there, it's like a tropical forest. There's, I mean, it's crazy. The dense raspberry bushes. I mean, there's all kinds of tree, Russian olives. It looks almost like the Hobbit. So like the Lord of the Rings is kind of a field down there. So it's pretty cool.

So we're hearing all that rustling and stuff. And ahead of us, maybe about, I don't know, maybe 75 feet, 50 feet or so. There's just this giant black mass. And it's on two legs. and it's like darker than the dark around it. And so you guys remember, the canyon, it gets dark down there. So this giant mass, I see it, and I'm like, I don't, I'm not saying anything. And I'm like, no, this got to be like a tree or stump or something.

And then it runs across a trail on two legs. And it just zips by and my heart just dropped. And again, I didn't say anything. I'm like, my eyes are playing tricks on me. Like, this didn't just happen. And then Raymond confirmed it. He says, the creature just passed in front of us on the trail. And so I lost it.

You know, I didn't want to be there anymore. I was terrified because, you know, when somebody confirms your worst fear, you're like, I think I just saw something. Please, Lord, that wasn't it, right? And then they're like, something's there. Yeah. And so we started backing up and we started walking back the opposite way again because the truck was the halfway point.

and this creature or creatures stayed in the brush, and we could hear it following us, like, paralleling us all the way to where, because the canyon, there's a part of it where the trees are covering the trail, so it's like a canopy, and that's where it's the pitch black. And then once the trees stop, the moonlight opens up. And I remember it didn't come into the light of the moon. It stayed under the canopy of the dark. the dark darkness.

And so we get into my ride and we come home and it's again just down the street. And we're thinking and we're like, man, this is what just happened? What do we see? And we're like, we've seen a big foot, you know? And so we open a bottle of whiskey and we start drinking the whiskey and we're talking like that just happened down the street from my house. You know, like literally it's there, you know. And we're trying to figure out what it was and how big it was. and, you know, it was on two legs for sure.

It couldn't have been a person out there, you know, that's what we're thinking. So about a week, and this is November. Before you go into it, Chewy, because I know the story gets much worse and it changes. Before we jump on to the next portion of it, Raymond, let me ask you, so when you guys were walking down the trail, what was it that you saw? I saw 80 feet, 80 to 100 feet in front of us, I saw a huge mass run from left to right in three strides. And the area that it ran, I went back and I checked the measurement, it was about 30 feet. So that covered 30 feet in three strides. If I was to estimate the size of this thing, just the outline, I would say it must have been 4 to 700 pounds.

I grew up in the woods. I grew up hunting. I've hunted all sorts of game in the United States minus bear. I've never shot a bear. But I'm pretty, you know, I grew up on a farm. I'm pretty good at guessing the weight of animals. This thing was huge. and I had a feeling that we were in danger and we were not wanted down there.

And that's why I always pray and I always carry a sidearm, a magnum, whether it's a short bolt or a magnum pistol. Yeah, I don't blame you. And before I get back to Chui, I wanted to ask you, because I'm going to have you on the show, and I know you're from my neck of the woods. So we'll talk about your encounters, but why did you have the feeling like you weren't welcome? Was it just kind of just a gut feeling or did something? It was that feeling of dread.

I don't know how many people have ever felt that. But any time I've come in contact with a cryptid being, I always had that feeling of dread, like your child's in the hospital and they're not going to recover or your marriage is on the rocks and it's going to be hard or you've got a illness that you can't kick. That feeling of dread is what I felt. After we heard that scream,

and we were doing wounded rabbit calls with our thumbs earlier, and we were just messing around. When we heard that scream growl, which the only thing I could relate it to is a cougar, I started thinking we need to get out of here. And as we were heading out of the way, we decided to just push our luck a little bit because we know that if you give these things an advantage,

they have more likely to show themselves. Did it make you nervous when it was patient? I mean, I know chew, chew. Chewy was nervous. I mean, he only had a knife. But did it make you nervous as it was pacing you out? You know that. And I don't know if you've ever experienced that before, but where they, you stop, they stop. You move, they move. Yep. We were escorted out. We were not wanted. I think that if they wanted to get us, we would have been had. I just think that we interrupted something down there and they didn't want us around. And so they show themselves enough to terrify us and then however they project those feelings where it

caused you to be in the most terrible place in your mind that you've ever been that terror, that dread. And I've developed a discipline where I can pray and I can begin to meditate on the word of God because I used to be a minister. I'm still ordained pastor, but I don't, I don't have a church right now. So I've spent a lot of time with the experiences I've had learning how to deal with that fear and that dread. And I was having a hard time keeping that fear and that dread down, even though I felt I was pretty well protected with a firearm I had. At least one of us would be getting away.

Yeah, I had one of you guys. Yeah, I was thinking, you know, you were telling me you were a Star Trek fan before we started the show. And I was thinking, Chewis, a red shirt guy, poor guy has got a knife and you got the gun. Star Trek reference. Yep. I understand. Sorry, Chewy. So, Chewy, you, so you guys go back, you guys are drinking it up, talking about what you saw. I would imagine, you know, your heart's probably going a million miles an hour. So I don't, you know, I would have sat and drank with you guys too as well if I was in that situation. So what happens next, Chewy? Well, well, just so you guys know, I'm of Hispanic Mexican heritage and Raymond is, he's, he's corn-fed white boy, right? So we were. joking, he's redneck white boy, we were joking saying like, man, I hope this thing likes white

meat and not dark meat, you know, it had a choice of whatever it wanted, the white or the dark me, though. Yeah. Couldn't decide. So anyways. I got you. We were on the menu. Yeah.

We were on the menu. Well, so we're here. We're having a good time talking about it, you know, and it's really in shock. And about, I'd say, and this was November of 2018. And so, you know, the snow was already starting. You know, I remember when we went, there was still patches of snow. So my, about a week later, and I've told my wife about it, but I didn't get too detailed. You know, she doesn't like to mess around with any of this stuff.

And she told me one night about a week after that something loud thumped on top of my roof. And she said it sounded massive, and it was right above our bed. and it was she could hear walking like on two legs and she was frozen in fear she couldn't move she said she wanted to yell she wanted to wake me up but she couldn't move and she laid there what seemed forever she said as this thing walked on a roof and then she was thinking as the time went on she was like was that a dream you know she was able to move again she's like i think that was a dream i'm not going to wake chewy up you know and so in the morning she told me what happen and I'm like, are you serious? I'm like, I was like, something was up there. She's all.

Something was up there. Or it was a dream. Something happened. So I go outside and it was snowing. And I look on my roof and I could see tracks on top of my roof right where my bedroom is at. But the snow is covering it. And but you could see the tracks. And I don't know why. I just looked on the house next to me and there's tracks on their roof too. and on the house next to them, my mind is like, what? Something was walking on our roofs at three, four in the morning, and it traveled like it was going to the canyon because the canyon is just down the street to the left of me,

a few houses away. So my mind went there. I'm like, I think something was there, you know? And I was like, man, I don't know what to think of this. Maybe it was just a bird or something. My heart was hoping that because I've never heard. heard of a big foot coming in being on your roof because that's what we thought we saw that night. And so a few days later, and I'm on edge already, right? I'm on edge. I'm already thinking

the worst case scenarios of all kinds of things. And a few days later, maybe a week or so, I'm woken up around three or four in the morning. Something like a thump woke me up in the house. So I got up and I come and I'm like, I hurt something. Something. woke me up. And, you know, there's times, if anybody's listening, if you wake up at night, something woke you up. It's either a creek in the house or something. Like, I know that. Something woke me up, and it wasn't, I woke up for a reason. So I went and I checked the doors, doors were locked, made sure my two daughters have a little eight-year-old and a four-year-old. They were sleeping, tucked away in their bed, and my wife was sleeping. So I just stayed up for a little

bit and I couldn't I was trying to I was thinking about the roof thing I'm like man was that from the roof or or just what was it you know when I stayed up a little bit and I ended up going back to bed so then I woke when the sunlight came out I went outside just to look again and sure enough there was fresh tracks out there they weren't there was it wasn't snowing in the early morning hours and I got my ladder and I looked up there and the tracks weren't they didn't I would think and maybe it's the Bigfoot, but they weren't human looking. They were like triangle. They were wide on one end, like a triangle, and they thin on, you know, it was weird, but they were bipedal. And, you know, I could send those pictures to U.S. if you want. I still have them on my phone. Yeah. And then again,

I would, I didn't even cut you off to you. I would love to, I would love to see them. And so I, so I have your description right, the front, so where your toes are out, is the fattest part of the triangle. And as it goes back to the heel, that's where it turns into kind of a, that's where the, what would be the top of a triangle. Yeah, exactly. That's how it looked. It looked like whatever it was, it had wide feet and then it thinned out.

So I didn't know what it was. I never seen anything like that. And I couldn't get too close to it because, again, I have vaulted ceilings. I have a high house. And so I just couldn't believe. that something can get up on my roof and it's that high. I'm like, what the heck's going on? You know, it had to have been a bird or something, you know.

Then I look to the left of me and the house on the side of me has tracks again. The same ones that are on my house. And whatever it was, again, was traveling on our rooftops to the canyon. And so I'm freaking out. And I, you know, I call Raymond up and I tell him what's happening. and he's he tell i tell him like hey i think a bigfoot followed us home followed me home man and it was on top of my roof he says maybe it was a juvenile possibly he goes but i think it was a dog man he says and that's what kind of opened up the whole world for me and i'm and i'm like what what is

that i didn't even know there were different types of bigfoot i just seen the pat i seen the paddy footage and i'm like that's what a big foot is i had no idea there were different types and you know yeah i think i think raymond's actually right i've seen that track in texas and it was pretty unnerving when i saw it um and the reason why we found the track is what we heard that night uh but it didn't look like anything i'd ever seen before it's it's bizarre how big do you think that track was the size of a man's foot or i'd say what they looked at least the size of a foot you know at least of mine, you know, I'm a size 10. I would say they were at least my size.

But they, I just, it was weird because they were long, you know, it was long. There were long tracks, which was so, so strange. And, you know, I'll send you some more pictures. But anyways, talking with Raymond, he tells me that he was maybe a dog man. And so it opens up the door and I start researching dogman. and I start hearing lots of encounters of them on top of roofs, traveling on roofs, being spotted on the roofs, following you home, them tracking you,

and all these weird coincidences. I'm like, dude, that had to have been, what was at my house, a dog man that we saw down there. Maybe it wasn't a big foot we saw. Maybe that giant black mask that made us terrified. It, like, made us fearful, you know, and maybe that was a dog man that followed me home. And we've had several other things happen around my house since then,

you know, where I'm 100% sure it's like some kind of dog man or something weird like that. Tell me what kind of experiences. What happened? Well, I've never told my, I didn't tell my girls really about what happened or about dog man or anything like that. but you know my daughter would hear tapping on her window you know she said it sounded like she thought it was a rock

she's like somebody it sounded like somebody took a rock and tapped it because it wasn't sound like a finger it sounded hard she said she's eight years old so I'm thinking like a I didn't want to freak her out but my mind is like a nail like a nail a finger with a nail or something

tapping late at night three four in the morning and and um she told So she tells me that. And my wife and our dog, you know, the dog will bark at random times on our ceiling, on certain parts of the wall, like at two, three in the morning that go outside. You know, she'll be barking and stuff. And I invested in an alarm system for all my windows.

Every window, every door has an alarm in case because I started researching about them drawing kids out because they're like predatory and stuff. So my kids will, anytime a window opens, I'm going to. I'm going to know about it. But my, so with that said, you know, my wife is a teacher. And during this whole COVID-19 stuff, she teaches off her computer. And she's outside in the backyard. And we have about a seven, maybe eight-foot vinyl fence that surrounds our property.

And she tells me she was on our back porch in the middle of the day doing her work. She said it looked like a German shepherd head popped up and looked. at her in the corner of her eye. And when she turned around a look, she said it was gone. Like it was just, it was there one second and it was gone. And so I'm like asking me like, what do you, what did it look like? Like tell me more, tell me more. She says it was, it had ears like a doberment pincher, but it looked like those black

German shepherds. And I'm like, babe, that fence is seven, eight foot tall. I can't even, I can't look over it even if I jump. And so whatever it was, she said it looked like a doghead that, like, like, like some kind of canine that looked at her. And she began to pray because she's a devout Christian woman. She doesn't mess with any of this stuff. She swears that it's something spiritual.

She goes, how can it be there one second and gone the next? You know, and another thing is I'm hearing my man cave right now as I'm recording this, talking with you, Wes. And I remember my kids screaming in the middle of the daytime. You know, I hear I'm coming in the back door. And so I go out of my man cave. and I go inside, like, what's going on? They're, like, literally on the verge of crying.

They say that somebody or something banged on the fence, and they shook the whole fence. And they thought it was me. They're like, that was you, right, Dad? You went out there, and you banged, and you shook the whole fence. I'm like, I wasn't out there, guy, I was in here. And so I go, maybe the gate got shut. Maybe mom shut the gate, and it shook the whole vinyl fence. They were like, no, no, mom was inside.

And so they were convinced that they, They said it sounded like multiple things around it, shaking the fence and pounding it with their fist. And so they screamed. They ran inside. I went and checked it out. There was nothing there. So that was really creepy. And about a month and a half ago, I had to actually call the fishing game.

On this canyon rim, by my house, there's a beautiful trail. And people go bike riding. And you can go on a, you know, walk, night walks or whatever. It has a slight downhill grade. And so me and my eight-year-old, we go on bike rides often. So we go on this canyon rim, and she's in front of me just because as I'm going downhill, if something happens to her, I will come to her, like faster. But if she's behind me, something happens, I have to ride uphill to her or run uphill.

So she was in front of me, and we're going. She's maybe 30 feet. And as we round that corner to get on that trail, there's a little, there's a German Shepherd pup that lives on one of those houses, and it doesn't have a fence. It's like an open area that leads to the canyon. And the dog is barking, and we never hear a bark. It's never barking. And I didn't think about that until afterwards, but it's barking and barking, looking at this general location.

But there's rock trucks, and there's birds and raccoons and all kinds of stuff out there. And right across the street on the other side of the canyon is the livestock commission where they sell. beef cattle. But we're going down and she's 30 feet in front of me and she just, she gets to this location and she flies off her bike, rolls off into goat heads. She's got them all stuck in her. She just takes off toward the complete opposite direction. And by time I, and she's screaming, it's there.

She says, she goes, it's there. It's there. She's screaming. And by time I get there, I just hear the rustling in the bushes and I see a black fur. It's all I can see is black fur and rustling, and I'm backing up, and I'm off my bike, and I'm backing up towards her, and she runs to me, and she's crying. She literally is crying. And I'm like, what did you see? She said it looked like it was going to grab me.

She looked like it was going to grab me. It's black, and it had the ears. She thought it was a black bear. I think it was a black bear, because it had the big ears. She goes, it looked at me, and it came towards me, and then it's seen you, and it's really. and it ran back into the bush. And I'm like, well, do you think it was a bear? And she goes, it had the mouth like a bear and the ears pointing up like a bear.

And that's what her mind goes. You know, when you see something, you can't really explain. The mind goes to something that you could recognize, you know. So that's what she said. And I started digging her brain. And she told me that it had a massive neck. I'm like, was it small or was it big? She goes, it had a big neck.

and I'm thinking about it, I'm like a main or something, like a, whatever it was, it has more hair around the neck than it does anywhere else. And so I called the fishing game, and they came down and they were packing heat, and they wouldn't go in there, but they were looking around and they're like, whatever it was, didn't leave any tracks. It wasn't in a spot with dirt or mud. It, like, knew, like, they were saying, like, it knew what it was doing almost, you know, not to leave a trace.

And so he asked me, has there been any reports of big black dogs around here? And I didn't say anything about a dog. I didn't say anything about a dog. And I said, no, not that I know of, I told him, have you heard reports of a big black dogs? He was like, no, I'm just trying to see maybe if she saw a Labrador or something. And I'm like, I don't think that was a Labrador man that she saw. And he wouldn't go in the bush. But he had his gun ready.

And he was like, okay, well, don't come out here at night. night. If you do, come in groups and make lots of noise. He's like, we're going to investigate it, and we're just going to see what. He goes, we can't put traps right here in this area. He goes, but I'm going to talk to my supervisors and see what we could do. And that's the same area that we heard the growl, the same general area where we saw the shredding of the tree. And it's the same, it's really pretty much the same area where the creature was that we saw. And that same Canyon system, I remember popping fireworks on New Year's of 2019. And I was the only one on the street doing it.

And I remember lighting them off and I heard the most pissed off scream slash yell slash howl. I can't even explain it over the fireworks. And I remember my wife saying, what is that? And then as the fireworks died down, the yell, how it was still going. And I got a sense that whatever it was, was pissed off that we were popping fireworks like you didn't like it. And we went inside. We cut our firework show short that night. So that's kind of what's been happening. And what I did was I have a plum tree in my backyard. And, you know, me being a Christian man and a man of faith, I made some crosses out of the wood.

And I put anointing oil. And I buried them in the four corners of my house. And I buried them in the four corners of my property and prayed over it and basically asked for a hedge of protection. And we haven't had anything happen on the property itself, like in my general area, you know, since that happened. Yeah, kind of a bummer going out, looking for Bigfoot and running into something else. Raymond, let me ask you, and that's terrifying, Chewy. The whole thing's terrifying. And I got a roof story for you later. But Raymond, so you go over there and I'm assuming, Assuming you looked at the tracks? Yes, sir.

What did you think when you first saw them? I was going, that's not typical Sasquatch behavior that I know of. I am not an expert. I'm really not a researcher. By trade, I am a federal investigator. So those skills I've learned over the years, I know how to do that. But again, as far as a cryptid investigator, I'm just a life witness. And I'm not an expert in any of this.

I just see, witness, hear other people's accounts and try to make the best of it. And as I'm looking at them, I'm going, you can see that the toes are more prominent, but the heel is more slendered. And it looks to me like a large raccoon track. And I've seen online a lot of dogman prints that look real similar to that. And because this is a more rural area, Chewy lives out kind of on the outskirts of town. where this canyon goes completely through the middle of our city. And it goes for a couple hundred miles up to the mountains. So this is a perfect passageway for these creatures.

Like we all have learned from the movie Boggy Creek, they always follow the creeks. They always follow the waterways as are highways and byways. But with this, I just said, Chie, I don't think this is a Sasquatch behavior. I think it's more of a dogman, just because from stories that I've listened from others and then just being a hunter myself knowing how different animals do different things in the natural, let alone being encrypted.

Yeah, and I tend to agree with you, Raymond. I remember I found that same track, what Chewy's talking about on his roof out in Texas. And it unnerved me when I saw it because it was weird, especially the heel. I've never seen a heel that print that. would go back like that on such a large scale. You would think all of its weight is carried on its front toes. When I looked at it, that's what I thought. The reason why we found the track is a real brief story.

We're out that night, and we heard something roaring and coming down this ridge line towards us, but it did not sound like any Sasquatch recordings I'd ever heard. It sounded very different than we found those tracks, and I thought, oh, great. And I wasn't really sure what Dogman was. still not sure what it was, but that was kind of the first thing that hit my mind is this looks like a huge, a canine type track. Yeah, that's, I've seen those too. You know, looking online, it just opened the whole world for me because, you know, my family, you know, I've lived in Hayes County, Texas where, you know, the Blanco River. And I, I mean, that's a hot spot galore

for Bigfoot and for Dog Man. There's so many encounters. And I've lived. there and my half family from Michigan, my grandma lived in Michigan several years, and my uncle, he is from Michigan. They used to talk, they called it the wolfman, or a werewolf, but my grandma would tell me stories as a kid how in Michigan that the wolfman would eat the homeless people, that they would come up missing from, they lived in Saginaw area, I believe, and it would also eat the homeless people who came on the train tracks, like who would take, you know, they would hitch rides on the tracks, that it would live around the tracks and it would prey on the homeless people. And so they knew about the werewolf, but the term dog man was, I never heard of the

term dogman, but I remember as my uncle, who is from Michigan, when we lived in Texas, he told me a story that really made me a believer in Bigfoot, you know, and the story he shared with me is in Hayes County, it's really swampy. There's a lot of reeds. It's really, it's pretty cool looking, you know, but he's a teenager and he's on a back road over there, and him and his friends pull over on the side of a little back road that's full of reeds and trees and stuff, and they're smoking weed. They're like rolling their joints, and they're getting high and they're teenagers, and they're having a good time, and their windows are down, and the reeds are right next to my uncle's face, his windows down. He says that two giant hands

separated the reeds, and he says the big foot lowered its face, and it was like a foot from his face, and it locked guys with them, and he says it looked at everybody in the car one by one, like it was sizing them up, and it looked at them all, and then it just let the reeds go, and it walked away. But he says, like, he was traumatized from it because it was so close to him, and he said it was the ugliest looking thing he's ever saw in his life and nobody believed them because they were getting high you know and he told me that there and i was so intrigued i'm like i know big put his rail you know so i've always been a believer and i didn't know there was different types though you know i had a friend who's who stayed over at my house and we're watching a scary movie and i remember we heard creaking on the patio and we looked there was nothing there and we We're, like, hyped up as kids like, oh, you know, it's just a scary movie. And then we go back to watching the movie, and we heard the creek again. I didn't look.

I kept watching the movie, but my friend looked, and he screamed bloody murder. And my grandpa comes running out with a shotgun, and he says that a baboon looked through the window, the porch window, and looked at us. He described it as a baboon. My grandpa goes out, turns on the floodlights, has a shotgun. There's woods around us and stuff. and there's nothing out there. And I remember hearing that, or I remember that, and I remember feeling like it was just something that he made up in his mind

because we were watching a scary movie to see a baboon look through the window. But now I've heard so many reports of these babbooking cryptids, you know, that it's almost like a different type of Bigfoot or something. So that opened it all the, and I started examining all this stuff in my life. And I'm like, man, you know, what's going on? here is it how is it the how what are the odds that i lived in hayes county my family's from michigan i live here and by the canyon which is like the deepest gorge in america and not and i'll send you some pictures of the cave systems here the largest lava cave system in the world is

is just outside of twin falls people come from all around the world to check it out and i've gone down there and there's it's you can go and walk down there but they only let you go to a certain distance, like a half a mile or something underground, and then they block it off, and they don't let you go. But I've heard stories of the caves here in the canyon that will lead to the lava cave system. So it's just a huge, huge system that goes underground and everything. So there's a lot of possibility of these creatures could come from the mountains. I mean, they can travel and come and go as they want, you know.

No doubt. No doubt. You have to keep me up to date. Let me know if anything else happens on it. there will you? Oh, I will absolutely. You know, there's, there's the missing whole four, missing 411. I didn't know anything about this stuff, man, until the dog man came to my house and then I started researching it. And then I find out an hour and a half of my house is where they filmed the first documentary film of missing 411 was in Idaho Pocatello area, Idaho Falls, Pocatello area is not far from me.

So I'm like, so I just, you know, when they say the more you know, the worst off you are. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's bliss. It's true. And Raymond, you said you had a Halloween story with you and Chewy. Do you want to tell us about that? Yeah.

I went over to Chewy's house and I said, hey, Chewy, I'm going down to Rock Creek Canyon tonight. I'm going to leave about 10 o'clock and I'm going to probably be back by two to three. and he says, well, what are you doing? I said, I want to go mess with the dogmen, the Sasquatch, or anybody that's down there doing weird rituals. And he goes, you're crazy. I want to come. I said, all right, we're going to pick up my son who worked for a fishing game at the time.

We'll call him Patrick. And so he was doing an intern for the fisheries. And so that gives him a little bit of credibility. And so we go down and Patrick drives us. and we go down to the ramp that was built to go into the canyon, and it's pitch black, it's 10, 10, 30 at night, and it just feels really creepy and it's dark. And Chui pulls out his phone and his Bluetooth speaker.

And have you ever heard of the siren call from the Sasquatch, I think, in the Sierra Nevada's? Yeah, are you talking about like the Ohio call that it sounds like a siren? It's similar to the Ohio call, yes. and which I've heard other podcasters share that and they've had other alphas come down and challenge them and scared the crud at them. So I'm going, this is a good sound bite to challenge something. And then Chui started doing some supposed dog man howls.

And so we're really pressing our luck. And Patrick's getting scared. And Chooey's going, dude, it's awesome. And the woods come to life. It's like you're oversensitized. This seems like every shadow is a creature behind it. And so we're walking down there. We're going through there.

And then as we're headed in the canyon, we're headed kind of southeast, you could hear on the right, sound like two creatures that were trailing us, one on the left. And it sounded like they were just closing in on us. And Patrick's getting scared. Chewy's kind of freaking out. This time I was carrying a 40 smith. and Wesson and I always have three clips on me with those the types of rounds. I don't remember what they're called, but they're pretty awesome.

And so I'm carrying that. We've got a spotlight and we've got flashlights. And we didn't turn on any spot or flashlights. We wanted our eyes to get used to the darkness so we could see any movement because once you hit a light, then they know that you know. And so we were always trying to give these things the upper hand because I found out that if you do that, they're more comfortable coming out. And again, this is crazy.

I don't recommend anybody being stupid like this. So we're going down there, and we're hearing things the left and right of us. We're hearing it sounds like humming or low growling. I don't know what it was. And then it kind of just penetrated your chest and just came to that feeling of flight, that, again, that dread sense. And we're not taking the bait. I said, guys, we're not taking the bait. Let's just keep going.

And Chui talked about how a lot of the Russian olives grow like a canopy. It's darker under the canopy than in the moonlight. And so I said, let's go in the canopy. Let's just go press the look. We go in that canopy and we're hearing these sounds. We're hearing things moving. And all of a sudden, Chui just hits the spotlight in the bushes and there's movement and there was a black mass. And it disappeared because this is thick cover.

And as we're walking, I said, right, let's shut off their lights. And Patrick, he's getting really nervous. He's saying, Dad, I'm getting scared. I'm not scared of anything, but this is scaring me. And it's bringing up other encounters that he had when he was a kid while we were up camping north, Idaho. And so we're going. And all of a sudden, there's a creek that runs through there called Rock Creek. Now, as a kid, have you ever picked up a boulder and threw it in the water where you get that croplunk sound?

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Well, all of a sudden, we hear a corplunk, and we freeze. And I said, everybody stopped, and we hit the lights. and I said, did you guys hear that boulder? Now let me tell you something about the train of where we're at. There's no small boulder for you to pick up. I know the area and so is chewy, but like the back of our hand,

because we're down there all the time. We spend our lunch breaks on Fridays down there, talking cryptid and going through the things at the daytime. And this boulder had to be either thrown up 80 yards from the cliff canyon or it was carried down. And I couldn't pick this boulder up because later that next weekend, And I went back and I think I found the boulder that was thrown in the river. And so we're going.

And then I flashed my light over to the right of us. And Patrick starts coming unglued. He starts screaming and wailing and crying. I've never heard a full-grown man do. And then all of a sudden, Chewy starts getting. He says, there it is. There it is. We've got our pistols drawn.

And I didn't see a thing. But Chewy and Patrick did. and they saw eyeshine. And Patrick described this thing as minimum eight feet tall and at least 6 to 800 pounds because of where he could see it standing. Again, that next weekend, Chewley and I went back and we found a sandbar

that it was probably standing on. But when I went back to get a closer look, it was gone and something had gone up and made a trail up through the thick brush. And it's time to get out of here. We're like just really freaked out. And then we're thinking, I'm thinking for a Halloween special, this was good.

but now it gets better. I said, let's go back to the brush where Chui had found some tracks previous, and they looked like Sasquatch tracks. I think they were close to 16 inches long. There were no toe prints, but where these were found, nobody should have been. And there was a time where Chui and I were down in there looking around, and all of a sudden we got lost and we got separated. Now, this is a small area.

It's like getting lost and separated in your backyard. shouldn't have happened. And there was about a 15, 20 minute time delay from the time that we knew what time it was to the time we found each other again on the trail. It was really weird. So I said, let's go back there and see if we didn't experience that. And we get back there, and my son looks around and about less than, I'm not joking, less than 20 yards for me, he's screaming and I'm pointing, and I whip around with my handgun

drawn, ready to fire. And there is a four-point mule deer buck, mature, probably, weighed 175 pounds without dressing it out. And its back leg looks like it's been almost twisted off and it's just hanging there. And it's coming towards us. And I'm freaking out and said, guys, we've interrupted the hunt. We are in trouble. We need to get the heck out of here.

And so we went around that deer and we took off and we could hear things. It sounded like things that were trailing us. And we basically got back up to the rim of the canyon and we got my son's car and we took off. But that was our Halloween special. Yeah, you guys are crazy going back. Why do you keep going back, Raymond? Is it just curiosity? It's curiosity.

It's available. I want more answers. And the only way you're going to find answers is either by somebody telling you their experiences or you experience yourself. Because of some of the trauma that I experienced from a child from some of these cryptids, I'm looking for answers. What are these? How do they play in the big overall plan? Why is the government hiding this from? us. Why are we not told about these things? If we were told at a young age about Sasquatch in the

woods and how to watch out for them, it would not stop your average outdoorsmen like myself or Chewy to go out there because you would be so traumatized and you know how to deal with these things. Yeah, that's definitely true. Let me ask you, Raymond, and I know I'm going to interview you regarding your own encounters. What do you think that this dog man thing is? And I'm going to ask you, too, as well, Chewy, but what do you think, Raymond, that this dogman creature is that people are seeing? I think it could be several things. I don't like to say this is the answer and there's no other questions about it. This is what it is. I think it is a multitude of things. Number one, I think some of these things possibly could be human under demonic power that transform because I've

physically seeing that myself, whether it was an illusion or bone and bone shifted and skin shaped and my dad can attest to seeing that happen before. Number two, it possibly could some of the newer ones could possibly be something that has been made genetically by the government. Three, these things could be old as time itself from maybe the pre-flood, the anteluvian times. again being a man of faith I've got to go with the Genesis 6 understanding of angels Indian breeding with humans and coming out with all kinds

of chimeras and things like that because if you look in the antiquities there have been human remains found all over the world and they've been taken up and destroyed and I got a story about a guy that has firsthand knowledge of a giant human skull three times the size of a

normal skull on a reservation but those are my three best guesses right now. Could some of them be quote unquote from another dimension or alien? Well, it depends on what you believe and what you've experienced. I'm not prepared to discuss that right now. But those are my three best guesses for right now. I hear you. And you may not be too far off on your guesses. And before I get back to Chewy Raymond, what's kind of the ultimate goal going down there? I mean, what are you guys hoping to accomplish? Is it just kind of a way to get out and kind of adrenaline junkies or do you guys have a goal kind of going into that canyon?

My goal is this. We found shredded tents. We found shredded clothes. We found children's shoes. We found a plethora of things. And what I want to do is I hope that we can get out on a lot of podcasts and things like that to give people information because information is power. Knowledge is power.

And if you know these things are there and if you know people that have lived through these experiences, there is hope. You're not alone, and there are ways to deal with these things. And we don't, I want to take back the fear that I was, that was put into me when I was a young child. I want to take my life back to a certain extent. After my first Sasquatch encounter, I can never enjoy the woods again. I can't go to the woods and take a nap and not, because every time I go out there, I'm thinking, okay, not today, not today. I do not want to see one today. Unless I'm prepared and I'm ready. If I'm deer hunt, I don't want to see one of those stinky things. or dogman.

I want them to stay away. Now, if I want to search them out or just look for evidence, I'll go and enjoy it, and I'm starting to have things manifest more and more in the woods. And so, again, back to the original question, sorry, I got off on a tangent. I want information to share. And as an investigator, as what I do for a living, I can take the facts, and I can put them in a sheet where I can give you the facts of what I've seen and what has happen and you can draw from your own conclusions on where you want to stand and maybe it'll

give you some information to fight with so that you're not a victim of these things anymore and you've taken your life back yeah i hear you but tell me about the tents you and chui found campsites down there look like there were there's no campsites down there you're not allowed to camp down there um there used to be a huge hobo population it's not there anymore i used to go down there feed and bring water bottles and food for these guys, you know, because I ran a food bank, and there was a way to reach out and help my fellow man. I was down there with my wife and my youngest daughter. We were just walking.

I mean, I own pit bulls. I don't raise them. I've always loved pit bulls. And it was been a great breed for me. I've taken my little female down there just to exercise her because I'm thinking about turning her into a bird dog. And off the trail on the side in the bushes where, again, there's a canopy, a whole other world. If you don't penetrate that canopy, you won't see the world underneath the trees.

You know, it's like something from Lord of the Rings. I found a tent that somebody had staked and it had been grabbed and pulled and the stakes have been pulled out. And then all these items, personal items were thrown everywhere. And then I found a gun casing from a 380 auto pistol. So I don't know what happened. So I took pictures and I sent them to Chewy. And then the next day I went down there because I was going to collect the evidence to see if I can find anything else. The place has been cleaned up like nothing ever happened. That's creepy.

Yeah. That's really creepy. Chuiy, what do you think that this dog man thing is? Well, you know, just to touch base real quick what Raymond says, yeah, that is creepy man. And this is down the street from my house where you have

the tent that has been destroyed, the campsite, empty showcase scenes, but there's no people. There's no blood. There's no bodies. There's nothing. We find random shredded shoe, a shredded shirt thrown in the tree, weird stuff out there.

So, you know, what I think, you know, dogman is, I'm stuck in between either there's different kinds because they do stuff that is not normal, you know? They do stuff that seemingly they can appear and

disappear really quick, you know, out of nowhere. And they can instill fear into you. And then they follow you home. They harass you. And that's not normal for an animal to do. But at the same time, they eat food, you know, like the deer we saw on Halloween night, this big old buck with this leg twisted. Like something was grabbed his leg and try to just something. What has strength and hands to grab a full-grown deer and twist its leg off. You know what I'm saying? And so I'm like, man, well, they eat food, you know, they leave footprints, but they follow, you know, they do stuff that's not normal.

So my mindset is like, I'm stuck in between. It's a spiritual thing. And then part of me is like, oh, it's an undocumented, some kind of canine that, you know, that just hasn't been science, the mainstream science hasn't accepted it yet. I always like to say if they do discover it, I have a name for it already. I'd like to call it. Canis lupus erectus, you know, I think that'd be kind of a cool name to have if it was a real flesh and blood creature, you know. So that's where I'm stuck in. I can't give you a definite answer because I'm stuck in between, man, because I see them do flesh and blood stuff and then they do weird, like, spiritual stuff or something, you know? Yeah, it's bizarre, especially the footprints, you know, going from one house to the next. And I know you're out there in the country. Does it worry you at all going down to the canyon?

Well, definitely, it does worry me. There's times where there's times I go down there with. And again, like, just so you know, like it's, it's a beautiful area. It's down the street from my house. And I think about it. I was wrestling with it. Like, I'm never going again. I'm never going fishing down there.

I'm never taking my family on the bike right down there. There's always people down there. But it's like, why do I live in fear? And it's like, do I choose not to go down the street from my house? That's so beautiful where people travel all around the world to go to. Do I do that? And I made my decision not to do that. So I do go down to the canyon and I go on bike rides with my family.

We take guns now. You know, we make sure our phones are fully charged. We put our kids between us. You know, we just practice caution. but, you know, I am more alert going down there, but it's just such a beautiful area. I don't want to miss out because, I mean, I live in Idaho. You know, it's like we're all about hiking and fishing and, you know, just enjoying God's creation. And I don't want that to stop.

You know, if I wanted, if I didn't want to go and investigate or search the area out, I'd never leave my home because it's all around me. I'd just be confined to home and never leave, you know. Yeah, I definitely understand what you're saying. You know, from going back to that campsites you were telling me about or were people I'm going to call them campsites because there was tents and stuff like that even though it's not

traditional camping. What do you think happened down there, Chewy? Do you think someone died down there or do you think that someone just abandoned it and left their garbage? What's kind of your gut feeling? Well, my gut feeling that I know something happened, something bad happened. I

personally think that some kind of crypted, one of these creatures, got somebody, because you're not supposed to camp down there, but people do it anyway. And I think that this person had a rude awakening at night, and all he got was one shot off. And he only got one shot off, and that's all it took. The person I think was taken because there was no blood. There was nothing, just his possessions and his tent, and he only got one bullet off. And we'll never hear about that on the news. You'll never see it. And I have those pictures and I'll send those to you as well. You know, and down there in the canyon, I have, I'll send you all these pictures, you know, of my roof, of the tent.

There's a giant canine print, not like the one on my ceiling or my roof. My roof was like an elongated one. This one is just looks like a giant wolf print. I mean, it's big as my hand. And we could, Raymond and I were down there. We could, in the snow, it left its footprint. I took a picture of it. My hand is right next to it.

as big as my hand. And it's just the pad of the, of the wolf print, but it's following a buck deer. You could see it following the tracks. And I'll show you those pictures. And the tracks go off into the brush. And in the same area, I'll send you this picture too. I have my foot next to a what looks like a big foot print. I mean, it's like twice the size of my foot and twice at least twice the width, just down there in the canyon. And so I think personally with the, and, and, also with the whole missing 411, just being an hour and a half away and people coming up missing men. And I think that that person was taken that night and I got covered up somehow or something. What do you mean the missing 401 being an hour and a half away?

Are you talking about a different location from rear up? Well, yeah, I'm talking about where David Pilates, they made their first film, the documentary film of, and it was a big portion of it was in Pocatello. or Idaho Falls with that kid who came up missing over there, who's still missing. So I think I put all that stuff into play. It's like a big picture. And I think about all the counts that are in our area from like Hell's Canyon, Devil's Corral, the Harryman of Birch Creek, the walking, whistling bear. All this area is just really, really weird.

And there's so many people that come up missing in our area. You know, and me, the first, what really kind of opened my eyes, too, is when I was camping in Stanley, which is Redfish, a beautiful area. We go down there, and this is the first time I go camping in a tent. Every year I go camping, it's always in a tent. We rough it out. It's awesome. But we go in this tent in the middle of the mountains, and I go to the Ranger Station, and I get a map of the campsites and stuff. And the Ranger tells me, he goes, hey, there's a camera crew out here looking for Bigfoot.

And the ranger is telling me this. I'm like, what? And he's like, yeah, he's been, there's been reports of him in the cat sites and taking people's coolers and stuff of their food. And I'm like, blown away. I'm like, that's awesome. So I go and we go and we pitch our tent. We go to the secluded place. And it's me, my wife, my first daughter, my second one wasn't born yet, and my have two nieces. So we all go out there and we're walking and I take a stick. And I've seen it on the big. for shows, right? They hit the tree with the stick. So I did that and we got a reply back from way out in the valley and we were laughing. It was like a joke for us. We're like, no way. The Ranger was right. He's out here, whatever. And I go, I heard him scream too in the show, Bev. And I did a yell and dude, I give you my word, bro. We had a yell that yelled back from way up in the valley, like bellowed through the valley, dude. And I couldn't even do it that loud. And it just bellowed through that valley and it scared that crap out of us. My wife's like, okay, stop messing around. I'm like, okay, I'm going to stop. And that was our second day there. The first night,

our campsite, all these deer would come up to us. Literally, they'd come up and we'd give them marshmallows. You could feed a marshmallow by hand. Just open your hand and they would eat it out of your hand. It's a cutest thing and they'd have little ones with them. And my daughter and niece, they loved it. It was so nice. And all the birds around, well, that night, there was no. no deer, with no birds, nothing. And I remember thinking strange was like, oh, man, we're waiting for the deer to come out. You know, I wanted to take more pictures of them and stuff. So we go to sleep and we're in two separate tents. My nieces are in one. Me, my wife, my baby, are in the other one. There's about 10 feet between us. And we're sleeping and a growl wakes me up.

That's between my tents. I'm talking about a growl that it wakes you up because you feel it. I remember feeling it like it like it vibrated like bass or something and and i didn't say a word and my wife woke up at the same time she says did you hear that she whispered it and i said i heard that it was a growl and she goes oh she was did you fart she was it smells so bad and i remember like smelling it like it was poutre it smelled really really bad and and i knew i was like babe that's bigfoot that's him he's out there you know and we're whispering it and we didn't hear any movement so i I got my flashlight. I didn't turn it on.

And I unzipped the tent really quick. And I did like a ramble roll and I swept the area with a flashlight. Dude, there was nothing there. There was nothing there. And I walked around the tent a little bit. I was pretty scared. There was nothing there. And I was trying to figure out like, did it disappear or is it like hiding behind a tree?

And I don't see it or what, but I heard it. It woke us up and we could smell it. And I could still smell the smell. So I got my nieces. and we combined one tent and I didn't sleep at all that night and I didn't hear anything else. Like there was no other wildlife in the area that night. So all this stuff, you know, in our area, it's, I believe that people do get taken men and that, you're not going to get reported, right?

Dead men tell no tells. Yeah, absolutely. And I'll ask Raymond when I interview him, but I want to ask you to you, what do you think Sasquatch is? I think that Sasquatch is a flesh and blood creature, like the Patty kind. I don't even know what type it is, but the Patty kind of a Sasquatch, I think it's like some kind of hominid, some kind of undocumented species of like a humanoid type of a thing. And then you have the other ones like what I've just started to research is like the Beast of Seven Shoots, you know, the ones with that have snouts that look like baboon. I think those two are just flesh and blood creatures. I do think that the ones that are like Patty have special powers even

because I've heard stories as I'm communicating with people's minds doing weird stuff, but I think they're a flesh and blood creature. But I, you know, like I'm a believer that like even Native Americans, they hold special powers to this land where they can do stuff because, you know, all the thousands of years on this land, I think that they can do the same thing. Like they can communicate with animals. They can do different things.

But I do think that they're a flesh and blood creature. But when you start getting to the different types of them, I don't know, man. It starts to get really dark. Yeah, it's definitely bizarre. Hopefully we'll have answers one day. And I really appreciate you coming on. But I want to tell you, Tui, if anything else happens at the house,

will you call me? I mean, you have myself on a mergers. shoot me a text. Oh, absolutely, dude. I will call. Like I said, nothing has happened really since I put those crosses and buried them on my property and put anointing oil. But if something happens, absolutely, I got your number. Hey, this is, this is Raymond. Yeah, Raymond. We plan on, we plan on doing another Halloween special if you're interested in it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And then we want to start doing some of stuff we're trying to find a way to do it live can you imagine going into the field like that with

that kind of activity live there's nobody else doing that that i know of and and chan and i've been trying to figure out a way to do that yeah you'll have to uh well we could chat about it offline i mean there's different ways to do it down in that canyon but um you know i'm a little concerned that if this thing's following quey back up you know to his home you know what the hell is this thing and why is it following him back up to his home um i definitely have had reports of Dogman and Sasquatch all in the same area. He guys got to be careful down there, that's for sure. Yeah.

So I'm hoping that whatever it is doesn't like dark meat, that it prefers white meat. Oh, too much, man. You too much. Well, I appreciate you coming on, Chew. Thank you so much for taking the time. Yeah, you bet, man. You bet. And I'm glad that I can share all this information and people who know our area.

I wouldn't recommend coming down to this canyon. Like, we know the area, like the back of our hand. And even like that, we get lost. So I would just say the main reason I go to this canyon is because it's my backyard. I'm literally down the street and I want to go fishing. I want to take my, I go on daddy daughter dates down there. We go on family bike rides. I mean, that's not going to stop.

So it's not like I only go there just to see what's down there. I want to know, I want answers like Raymond says, but I'm in Idahoan and camping, hiking, fishing, biking, all that is in my blood, man. Yeah, absolutely. Well, Raymond, I can't wait to interview you. Thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show. Well, thank you. Like I said, I've been listening to you for years, and I'm a big fan. I've learned quite a bit from your guys' work.

Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks again, fellas. Yep, you bet. And that's it for tonight. Everyone to remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone.