Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:673 The Skunk Ape Lives

Episode Date: July 19, 2020

I will be having three guests on tonight. Orrin who is from Washington describes seeing this small creature on two legs cross on front of him and his family. We will also be chatting with Gabe who had a strange encounter while camping in Washington back in 2017. We will wrap with with Stacy Brown who will share his encounters and talk about his new documentary called The Skunk Ape Lives which is available on Amazon

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. What's what? They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

It sounded like a language and they were chumtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet, but what I saw were bears. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now? Yes, I'm looking right here. My name's Mark. I'm from St. Albans in the UK,

and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. We're going to be chatting with Oren. And Oren comes to us from Washington State. He had a very strange encounter when he was out with his stepfather and his brother.

This weird creature crossed right in front of them as they were going down the road. And it's the bulk of the witnesses that sought. You know, Orrin saw it, his brother saw it, his stepfather saw it. And it's a very strange encounter. Orin says it wasn't that big. Remind him of a very small creature on two legs running across the road. And then we're going to be chatting with Gabe.

And Gabe also had an encounter in Washington State. You guys remember the eclipse back in 2017. He went out there with his family camping to get a better look at the eclipse. And that night before the eclipse, it had a very strange encounter. And then we'll be wrapping up with Stacey Brown. Stacey has a new documentary out there on Amazon Prime called The Skunk Ape Lives. And where he interviews eyewitnesses. It's pretty good.

I started watching it the other night. He did a pretty good job on it. And Stacey's going to be sharing his own encounters. What's fascinating about Stacey is I've always known him as an ape guy. He's always been hardcore ape guy. and he had a couple weird things that happened to him that made him change his mind. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Orrin to the show. Oren, thanks for coming on. Yeah, absolutely, Wes. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know that you had an encounter.

Actually, most of your family were present during this encounter. If you would kind of take us back to that moment, what were you guys doing? And what happened? What did you see? Okay. So at the time, I was about 12 years old. We had my little brother with me, Cody. He was about 10 years old.

And then our stepfather, we went out to go. fishing for the day. Just northeast of us about an hour. It's a little lake called Browns Lake. It's like pretty tranquil. You can't have motors on the lake. It's fly fish only.

Dad's teaching us to fly fish. We're out all day. Had a great time. We're coming back. Now it's I guess it's like a dirt road, mountain road, if you will. Wash boardy.

So, you know, you're not you're not driving it 50, 60 miles an hour. You're keeping it slow, 25. We're just cruising. I'm kind of talking about the day. At this point, it's probably, it's not, it's not totally dark out. You can still see the brush on the sides and the trees and whatnot, but it's light enough that you're, you know, you got your headlights on.

We had our headlights on, and we're cruising, just kind of chit-chatting. and next thing we know, just kind of from the passenger side where I'm sitting, this creature runs right in front of us. It was one of those deals where you don't even have the opportunity to even hit the brakes. You just kind of freeze and let it happen what's going to happen, and that's exactly what my stepfather did. And you see him kind of tense up and straighten his arms out a little bit because we thought, we were going to hit it. It runs right in front of us. It was the craziest thing. It was on two legs. Two legs had brownish cinnamon fur. I distinctly remember a conical head. And the reason I remember this so well was because of the height of what we saw. He was probably only about six inches or so taller than the hood of the truck. So, you know, roughly four and a half feet tall, maybe. It was probably maybe only six feet out in front of the truck.

Ran by super quick. And I remember seeing his arms going back and forth as, you know, you watched somebody run in front of you. We both, you know, we just kept driving. We kind of sat there quiet. my brother leans forward in the seat from the back seat and he says he's like dad what was that what was that dad and he can say anything and i'm looking at him kind of like give us some confirmation here you're the adult and he didn't say anything and we drove for probably another minute or two and he

he looks over at me and he says he says orn what did you just see and i said i saw something run by on two legs. And he says, yeah, I did too. He's like, what else? Then he just told me you described me what you saw. And I said, okay, I saw, like, brownish, semi-long fur. I saw, like, a cone-type head. His head kind of came to, like, a point.

So, yep, me too. I guess what we saw would be, like, a child or an adolescent Sasquatch. I mean, that's all I can chalk it up to. Yeah, was there any details that your stepfather gave you? I mean, he was sitting kind of front seat looking over the hood. Was there anything else that he added to the whole situation? You know, he didn't. He's always been kind of, you know, even today we'll bring it up,

and he'll grin about it. And you can tell he, like, he knows what he saw, but he don't really want to admit it, it seems like. I mean, he confirmed everything that I saw. Like I said, I didn't get to see, I didn't get to see, you know, feet or anything, any of the legs, to be honest with you. I saw the arms pumping. I saw, you know, the fur, and I saw the conical-shaped head. And it was just, it was right in, I mean, you know, from where I'm sitting, there's only five or six feet in the front of the truck.

So it was probably only 10 or 12 feet away from us. playing as day. And, you know, I'm an avid hunter. I grew up hunting and started hunting when I was 10. My stepfather's been hunting forever. You know, we've seen bears. We've seen cougars. And this wasn't, this wasn't either of those. I mean, there's not much more to really explain.

I mean, I, you know, my friends asked me, what did you see? I saw a baby Sasquatch. Yeah, it seems like it. Did it ever look towards a truck, or was it just focused on getting across the road. It never looked at the truck and that's something I also remember and that's why I kind of think, you know, I didn't see adults or parents, if you will. I think it was one of those like, oh crap, I'm going to hit kind of just focus on getting across the road sort of thing. And it never looked over. I never looked at us. And I always think back to like, I wish I would have seen it

out of like my passenger side window before it hit the road, you know. Yeah, it's bizarre. You know, what's really bizarre about these type of encounters is they do this. And I can't figure out why. You know, if it would have waited another two seconds, you guys would have passed. It could have strolled across the road. Yeah. But they seem to do this weird thing where they will dart right in front of a truck or a car

or anything else. And it's, you know, half a second later, you guys are plowing. over the top of this thing. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. That's another thing too. You know, and it's, I mean, you see that with with deer too. They'll be coming and you'll see their eyes shine on the side. You say, all right, you better, you better stay there. And at the last moment, they just go for it.

And I don't know if that was just its instinct or if, you know, maybe there was some sort of adults on that far side, like saying, come on, let's go. Or what the deal was. But yeah, like you said, I was two seconds, you know, from going by, and it could have just went behind me, or I was probably one second later, and he would have been probably dead on the road. Yeah, it's bizarre, man. It's really bizarre. What do you think that they are, Warren? I mean, you, you're within feet of this saying running across the road. What's your opinion as far as what Sasquatch is? you know i've i've thought a lot about that and to me i feel like based off of i guess characteristics you know that that i've seen and hearing other accounts from your show um to me they sound like an ape of sorts and that's what my initial thought process goes

to us, okay, there's some sort of, there's some sort of ape. But then I go back and I go, okay, what's this, what do we call this thing? We call it a big foot, you know, and I look at, you look at their feet, and then it makes me think all over again, hold on. The feet of this, they look, they look like our feet, you know, from castings and stuff like that, they have more characteristics of our features rather than an ape, if that makes sense. So then I kind of start question my own thought process because initially I just want to think some kind of, you know, great ape that we haven't fully discovered yet, at least the general public. Yeah. No, I get exactly what you mean. I mean, it's hard to argue with any of that, you know. I mean, they do look very ape-like. Not completely, but they do look very ape-like. But the feet are bizarre. I've said. this before on the show. I remember one time I was sitting in my office and had all these casts laid out and it kind of hit me. I was like, you know what? I mean, they look like human feet.

Just on a bigger scale. I mean, a larger blockier scale, but it doesn't appear to be a, yeah, that's a good point. That's the best thing I can, I mean, it still puzzles me today. I think about it. You know, there's got to be, I just, for me, it's hard to wrap my mind around like a cross between a human and an ape. I feel like it's got to be one or the other. Yeah. But I just, I argue with myself on that all the time of what it could be. I don't have like a, I guess I don't have a definite answer.

I'm still deciding. No doubt. It's one of those sayings to where it'll, it'll bug at you and it'll eat you away if you think about it too long because there's really no, I mean, and let's be frank real quick. I mean, really an undiscovered. primate in North America should not exist. I mean, that makes no sense. That's why I'm not really too hard on scientists, because I'm like, I get it. I get where you're coming from. You're right. It doesn't make any sense, but it's there. What is it? You know what I mean?

Absolutely. But it's a fascinating account, man. I appreciate you taking the time to come on and share it very much. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I really appreciate you having me. It's this show that kind of made me branch out a little bit more. You know, I've talked with family and, you know, close, close friends that, you know, about what I've seen because I feel like they're going to be the least critical about it, you know, but then to listen to the show and all these other people are kind of, you know, in the same boat where, you know, they know what they saw. And this is kind of the platform that they can, they can share that without, you know,

without criticism. This is where other people are at and they're seeing the same sort of things. And, you know, I think it's great. I think it's great what you're doing. Yeah, and I appreciate it. And I've learned so much from the guests who've come on. You know, you get a better understanding of the behavior. You get a better understanding of descriptions. Until we have one in a cage or a body on the table, there's really no other way to study these things. You know what I mean? You have eyewitnesses come forward. and share what they've seen, share what they've experienced. It helps to kind of understand what's going on out there.

But yeah, brother, thanks again for coming on. Yeah, I appreciate you having me, Wes. It's been a good time. And next up on the show, I want to welcome Gabe. Gabe, thanks for coming on, ma'am. Yeah, no problem, Wes. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know your encounter happened up there west of Mount Jefferson.

and it was during that time back in 2017 when we had that solar eclipse, which was amazing, by the way. But if you would, take us back to that moment, because your encounter is very strange. I mean, I've heard this before this weird mechanical sound that eyewitnesses talk about. But if you would, take us back to that moment. Kind of tell us what you were doing and what happened. Yeah, so we were just west of Mount Jefferson near the Bull Run Wilderness. So it was a night before the total eclipse, and we had gone out there just because that was going to be in the totality of the eclipse. And we wanted to see it, full experience, you know.

So we go camping out there. It's me and my parents and one of their friends. And we are, we're not in a campground or anything. We're like way out in the wilderness off of a four-wheel drive, Forest Access Road. and so that night my parents they're camping in like a pop-up camper on their truck and I was camping in a single-man tent sleeping on the ground and it was probably about midnight um it's pitch black out there can't see your hand in front of your face because of the tree cover

and I'm laying in bed I'm like almost asleep and I start to hear these footsteps and you know I've been I've been around a lot of animals I've been around black bear deer elk and whatever whatever was making these footsteps it was a really heavy creature so from where I'm laying on the ground in my tent I could feel the impact of these footsteps through the ground like viscerally feel them as well as hear them and I'm thinking I'm like man what is that must be a bear because it because it sounded like I know what it sounds like when it deer steps because you can hear um oftentimes you know the hardness of their hooves and the small print they make it's more of like a jab sound but this was like a wide muffled thud sound so in my mind I'm like that must be a bear but then I keep listening and the step pattern is like this it's like like really slow and very even and it did not sound like a four-legged creature it sounded like the walking pattern of a very huge and heavy bipedal creature so

I'm hearing this and my mind is just racing like I started to feel like primal fear you know like, holy shit, what is this thing out there? It's huge. And it sounded like it was probably about max 50 yards away. And I'm hearing this thing from different directions. It's moving around. And the next thing I hear, so this is, I hear the footsteps first, and maybe a minute passes by, and then I hear another noise.

I hear what first sounds like to me as like a grunting noise that a bear would make. like when a bear exhales forcefully, kind of like a boom sound like that. But there was something really weird about it. Like I hear this sound first. I'm like, oh, okay, that's a bear. And then I hear it again. And there's this really strange quality to it,

which is the weirdest part of this whole experience is that it sounded like a bear that was on auto tune. or something, you know, like in modern rap music, or was speaking or was, its voice was going through like some sort of digital microphone because the sound sounded like, it had this metallic quality to it. And you know, it's pitch blacks, my,

I'm hearing this and my brain is trying to create like a mental picture for what I'm hearing, what's producing the sound. And I hear it once, I'm like, oh, that's a big, and I hear it again, I'm like, no, that's a, that's like a metal washboard or like, that's something metal. That's definitely something metal. Like, that's the rattling of metal making that sound. And it went on.

I heard this sound maybe, maybe 15 times and all from different directions. So it's, it's moving around and it's pretty close. And man, my heart is just thumping. I'm like, what the hell is out there? Like, yeah, that was. one of the only times when I've been in nature where I've just felt like I felt really unsafe. And it was inexplicable too, you know? Like, I felt like whatever was out there, it was extremely powerful and it was it was affecting me on like a spiritual level, you know?

Did anyone else hear of this weird metallic sound? I mentioned it to my parents in the morning and they're like, My, I think my mom was asleep and didn't hear it, but my dad heard it. And he was, the morning after he was like baffled too. He was like, yeah, that was really weird. What was that? And I'm like, didn't it sound like an animal but have like a metallic quality? And he's like, yeah.

And in his mind, I just was talking to him about it again a few minutes ago. In his mind, it sounded like somebody banging on a metal. gate is the way he remembers it. But I mean, in my defense, I was actually outside and I was in a tent and basically the whole tent is mesh. So I heard the sound maybe 15 times and it was not like an impact, you know, someone hitting a piece of wood on a gate. It was like, it was like a grunting noise. And it was different. It sounded different every time. You know, it wasn't like, an impact and then like a ringing out of metal it was like um it was definitely like a grunting sound and the way i heard it and was your dad in a camper yes my dad was in a pop-up camper it has

thin walls but yeah i was i was definitely more outside one of your episodes someone was talking about the the sick bear sound and you played a clip and it's and that's what prompted me to send you the email because it did sound like what I heard. Was it kind of like the, you know, those annoying microphones, those kids have, where they kind of echo back and forth. Is that kind of what you were hearing when this thing was breathing in and out? Yeah, it really did sound like that. That's another way I would describe it is, I think when I was young, they were called, we called them Thundermakers. It was like, it's like a cardboard tube with a really thin and long spring attached to the end. Or maybe the

spring was inside it, I don't remember, but you shake the thing and the spring vibrates inside the tube and you can, and makes like a sound of thunder and you can also talk into it while you shake it. And it gives your voices kind of like mingles with this metal rattling sound. And that's, that really comes close to how I would describe what I heard. It's so bizarre. You know, I've heard a lot of eyewitnesses talk about a metallic sound or like a machine type sound out in the woods. And I don't know what to make of that. I really have no clue what is causing that.

But it has been reported many times, many, many times. And I have no clue. Do you think it was something the creature was doing? Do you think the sound was just bouncing around? I mean, I'm just getting your, I'm not questioning you. I'm just trying to get your opinion on that sound, because I have no idea and I've heard it so many times. Yeah, I mean, to me, it definitely sounded like, even though it's a creature that I've, I can't put my finger on, it sounded like a creature because it was, it was like a bear, but like with the metallic, almost electronic quality to it.

And it was definitely moving around. Like I was hearing the footsteps and the sound from all different directions, you know, at my feet. at my head. This thing was it was going around our campsite. And the other thing I want to mention is that I mean my dad said oh that was just someone banging on a metal gate but

you know we were we were deep out there we're in near the base of Mount Jefferson I mean I don't think anyone would be out there banging on a gate at midnight you know it doesn't make sense to me. Yeah it doesn't make any sense The next morning when you got up, was anything taken or did you notice anything? No, I didn't.

And, you know, I kind of, I regret it now, but I never looked for any prints or anything. I was just kind of like, well, that was crazy. And I didn't think to kind of investigate around. Yeah. Did you guys end up staying? Or did you guys leave? Yeah, so, so, yeah, we didn't camp another night, but we did stay and saw the eclipse that day, which was incredible.

Yeah, I remember it was very incredible. That's bizarre, man. That's really, really bizarre. I really wish I had a great answer for you on that metallic sound. Like I said, I've heard it many times, and I don't have a good explanation for that. It is

weird that you were hearing it as it was breathing. They do have a very raspy way of breathing. I've heard them breathe before, and it does remind me of a sick bear, just on a maybe a sick bear on steroids. but then to have the metallic sound on top of that, you know,

it's hard to say, man. Yeah, it was, I would also definitely describe it as a sick bear sound as like a very raspy, very raspy, rattily growling sound.

That makes any sense. Yeah, I was so scared to, I was, I was like petrified, man, so I wish I would have the courage to pop out. to turn my light on real quick, but I did not.

Yeah, there's no shame in that, man. I would have been thrown off by that. And you know, when you're in a tent, honestly, you're at everything's mercy. I mean, it's just basically a sheet protecting you. You know what I mean? Yeah, definitely. Did it affect you as far as going back out? You know, we live in the part of the country.

My father used to call it God's country, and I never understood that until I got older. but it is a beautiful area and a lot of people go outdoors. Did it affect you at all as far as wanting to go back out there? It didn't really affect my desire to go outside. I was actually just, so I live in New Portland, but I was actually just for the last month up until yesterday, house sitting for a friend in Welchers near Mount Hood. So I was living in a cabin and I was going out.

I did a lot of backpacking and hiking by myself. when I go out in areas by myself now, I always carry a pistol and also bear spray. But back when this encounter happened, I didn't have any of that. Yeah, I hear you. Well, you have to be safe out there, man. Like I said, there's more than just Sasquatch out there running around. People goof on me for saying that. But I'm telling you, there's more bizarre things that you can run into out there.

Let me ask you real quick, Gabe. What do you think Sasquatch is? You listen to the show. What's your opinion? Yeah. My opinion, I mean, I've heard a lot of the encounters on your show, and they're a lot more revealing and captivating than mine other than just a noise. But, you know, I've never seen one.

But in my opinion, you know, it's kind of the physical versus like a kind of current being thing. I think I think it's both. I think it's definitely. physical creature, but I tend to listen to kind of the indigenous opinion on these creatures. And what they've said is, you know, them being kind of like a guardian of the forest and having kind of like a having even like spiritual powers. I tend to believe that because, you know, I can't, I can't really prove that this is linked to Sasquatch, but there have been times even recently when I was up at Mount Hood when I'm out in the

woods and I'll just all of a sudden get this like inexplicable feeling of like you need to not go any further, you know, like this part of the woods, because this whole last month when I was up there, I would hike almost every day after work. So it would be twilight almost getting dark and I'm, you know, two miles up the trail. And I would just get this feeling like, like, all right, this area is not for you. And I would listen to that and turn around, you know. And I think there are, you know, like nature spirits. I think there's spirits of the land.

I kind of agree with the tribal people on that. So, yeah, I think it's complicated, man. I think that they probably have a physical manifestation, but I think they are the idea that they're kind of their spiritually powerful beings that know more about the secrets of nature than we do, that that really brings true to me. Yeah, you could be right. You definitely could be right. There is a weird, I do believe that they are physical, but there is bizarre things that

go on with these things. And it's so hard to say, you know, a lot of times I just kind of shrug my shoulders and I go, yeah, I believe that happened. I, you know, I have no clue. And it's so weird when he talked to so many different people, and they share things with you, especially off the year, you know, where people haven't heard this before. Yeah. And you hear it over and over and over again, it makes you kind of step and, you know, take a step back and go, what's, what's really going on here? I would love for it to be an ape. If it came out tomorrow and it was nothing but a gorilla out there, you know, some offshoot of a gorilla or something, I, I'd be the first that that would be more than happy.

and would accept that. Yeah. I just don't, I got my feelings. I don't, I think people are, people who think it's an ape, I think are set for a disappointment when this eventually comes out. Because you think they don't really want to be proven right? Well, yeah, I mean, it's kind of a funny field, this Bigfoot world. Yeah. You know, people are, they have it in their mind.

People think it's some non-human primate, a natural animal. running around there. And they'll refuse to look at anything else or refuse to hear anything weird. They'll refuse to hear anything strange. And it's like, well, I mean, what are you investigating? What are he searching for? It sounds like you already have the answer. And then the other side of the coin, the people that are like, oh, you know, they're the friendly spirits and, you know, they eat out of my hands. They'll refuse to hear anything strange or odd or a violent encounter, you know. And so, Yeah. It's a bizarre community, and I throw around the word community very loosely.

But yeah, it's just I really hope that it's a natural animal. I'm like you. I kind of have my suspicions. It's probably not. The metallic thing, man, like I said, I can't even tell you how many times I've heard that. And I have no answer for what that could have possibly been. Why did they have that weird noise? You know, there was, I think of the Brown's property.

and one time I heard a train and it was like the train, you know, whistle or whatever. All trains have that certain whistle when they're coming through. And I sat there and thought about it and thought that was a weird sounding train. And I know the area well where the Browns were at, and I stopped and thought, and I go, there's no train tracks out here. Like there is no train tracks out here. So maybe they're mimicking something else. I don't know. I don't have a great answer, but it's spooky when you're out there, especially in a tent, you hear that.

You're really at the mercy of whatever this thing is. And I think it's best not to freak out, if you can, not freak out, which you didn't, because a lot of times they'll leave. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the vocalizations that I've heard on different, you know, episodes of your show and different recordings, it makes a lot of sense to, me that they are, they kind of maybe have a language of their own, you know, because there are so many different weird vocalizations like the whooping and with the Sierra sounds with that like gibberish, language, it sounds like a language, you know, it makes sense to me that like, like a lot of animals, they could, they could be able to produce different types of vocalizations and, you know, have kind of a sophisticated like, I mean, if they're related to us, too, they've probably got

some kind of sophisticated voice box that can produce different kinds of tones and stuff, you know? Yeah, no doubt. I do think that they have a language, that weird gibber that they do, it sounds like a language. It doesn't sound like any other thing, any other animal sound I've ever heard. I apologize to my Russian audience, but it reminds me of true Russian. Russian's talking. I'm sure the Russian investigators are like, it sounds like two Americans talking. Yeah. Yeah.

To me, hearing the Sierra sounds, it honestly sounds like some of the Native American languages, if you've ever heard those. It does. It does. I agree with you on that. Absolutely. With the way, especially in the Pacific Northwest, a lot of the indigenous languages up here I've noticed have a lot of kind of like C-H and X sounds like Cush-C-C-C-C-S-C-S-C-C-S like that is probably like it sounds really stupid to imitate it like that but you know what I mean? Like has a lot of this

same things I've heard in the Sierra sounds kind of similar. Yeah, no doubt, man. It's a spooky topic. Hopefully one day we'll know what's out there and what they're capable of and what they're not capable of. But until then it's kind of a guess. guessing game and the only thing that helps is to have eyewitnesses come forward like yourself and

share what happened to you you know because it kind of it helps it really does help yeah man forward because we can start to kind of get theories and maybe some answers and it's all we got you know what I mean yeah I mean ever since that that uh this experience I just described I've kind of been on the fence I'm like man do I want to see one like I kind of you know being out in the woods alone hiking. I'm like, man, that'd be cool if I say one. But also, I'm like, man, deep down, I think I don't really want to come in contact with one, one on one at least. It's kind of frightening. Yeah, it definitely is frightening. And if that ever happens, definitely give me a call, ma'am. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I will do. And I appreciate you taking the time

to come on again. Thank you so much. Yeah, of course, Wes. I want to welcome to the show, Stacey Brown. Stacy, thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate you having me on, bud. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know we're going to talk about your film on Amazon Prime. It's called The Skunk Ape Lives. If you have Amazon Prime, go check it out. I know you also have my journey with monsters up there too as well.

And everyone kind of knows you, Stacy, in the Bigfoot world. You and your father got that famous thermal footage of the creature going from one tree to the next. and before you went out with your dad, I know you and I were talking about your interest in Sasquatch and the first time you went out to this property. Tell me about that. We went to this lady, Miss Bridges, seen her on Finding Bigfoot,

and we called her. She said, come back in November. It's more active then. And we did. But my dad was sick, and he couldn't go with me. So I took the bass player from my band. and the whole day, like the whole experience leaving there that weekend was so mind-blowing. Because as we're pulling down her driveway, something black is at the edge of the woods and just steps into the woods.

You know, and we stopped. And like, my buddy stopped the car. He's like, dude, is this really happening right now? And because it was tall, you know, you couldn't tell what it was. But it was just a black figure. It stepped in the woods. wasn't there when we drove up to the spot. So then, you know, they were telling us about the stuff,

driving us around the property, and nighttime fell. So we were just hanging at the camp. We had walked to the other side of their property, and it was almost like something was throwing these hickory nuts at us. I remember at one point, One rolled up the hill. You know, it like bounced up the hill because I was like, these things are falling out the tree, you know, what are the chances that they're bouncing uphill?

You know, so I mean, I guess it could have happened. It was like two or three of them. So we were kind of spooked out, and then we went back to camp. And something was just moving around kind of at the base of the hill. We were camped on top of this hill. And we're sitting there carrying on, playing the guitar or whatever. And then just kind of look over to the side and there's this thing just standing there at the edge of the firelight right at the edge of the trees, you know? It's like it came up enough.

But it wasn't like full. You couldn't see it like it was if it had been standing closer to the fire. But, you know, you could see the outline. You could see the features and stuff. But it was almost like it was scared of the light. I didn't understand why it didn't come no closer. So I looked at my buddy and he's like, all right, so he's seeing that too. And so then this thing, it stepped away, and it continued to like break limbs and stuff, you know, down the hill.

And we were terrified, man. Like, I called my dad, and my dad's like, because we've been doing this for a little while before, an athletic, national fall. he's like you went out there to find a big foot and you found one and now you're going to leave you know and he was making jokes about and uh so i stayed then that night we ended up like i was i fell asleep sitting up on the cooler uh did not want to go to sleep i was scared you know um but we slept in the same tent that night and i was like 27 i want to say I think it was 2011, yeah, something like that. So I woke up at about five in the morning.

It's got to be somewhere around there because I had to have fallen asleep at about two. Even though it was a little bit of time, I'm just, you know, as the night was going on, I had to fall asleep about two. So it's probably around five, but I woke up to my buddy screaming and I look up or when I opened my eyes and the tent is like right down almost on top of our face, you know, And then it kind of, I guess it let go of it. And a thing runs off into the woods. You can hear it,

boom, zoom running off into the woods. So I guess what it did is just to come up and press down on the top of the tent because it actually broke one of the little poles. It was pressing down. And my buddy went and gotten his forward escape that he had. And I stayed in the tent. I didn't really want to have eye contact.

with the thing, to be honest, would you? I mean, the car was probably a safer place to be, but I didn't want to wake up and look out the window, and I think you're staring at me. It was, this was all, I didn't think these things were actually real. I thought it was cool. I wanted to, you know, dabble with it. It's like you're going ghost hunting until a ghost appears,

and then you're scared of ghost. So it was just kind of like that, you know? But that was it. After that, We stayed another night. We didn't see it the second night, but right when dark fell, same stuff starts happening. And that was it, dude.

I was sold on it. I quit my band immediately. I was like, I'm done. You know, because we were practicing three times a week and then playing shows on the weekend. So it wasn't really, I didn't have time for it. I was like, hey, we were within 20 feet of one of these things. And that's, you know, we can prove this. I don't know why they haven't been proved.

yet and you know then I I got on the internet started looking I was like oh wow this is why they haven't been proven yet all these people are doing is fighting so we'll just yeah you know keep our keep our noses out of that mess and we'll we'll we'll go and prove this and it's it's uh still still in the process of proving it yeah I hear you that that is a fascinating account especially its behavior um tell me real quick quick, this lady's property, did she, obviously she knew they were on the property. That's how I didn't cash that part in the beginning.

Right. Okay, so this finding Bigfoot had just came on the air. The second episode, they were in Florida, and there was a lady with a handprint on the inside of her door. I guess the thing had opened the door and the door closed on its arm or something, but it left this huge handprint on the inside of her door. uh so they actually put her name on there so back then we had these things called a phone book right i know a lot of people may not know what those things actually are yeah but uh i looked her up

and there she was so i just gave her a call and you know i got you and that's kind of white yeah i got you see went out there i do remember that one now i remember it it had its hand on it was a glass it was what do they call those doors they kind of not really a screen door, but kind of the, not the main door, but you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, it was like a screen door, you know, but it was just glass. Yeah. And then you had the other door into that Florida room there. So what do you make of that behavior as far as this creature?

I mean, it kind of sounds like playful behavior. I mean, if it wanted to crush both of you in that tent, it would have. But what do you make of that behavior? You were there. You know, at the time, I, um, I, really just thought that it was, you know, trying to see what we were, you know, trying to figure out what we actually were doing. What was this tent? And come to find out. Now, like, there was this other, uh, the BFRO had been there for like seven years before me,

investigating that, but nobody had ever stayed the night out there. So it was like we were the first people, I guess, to actually pop a tent out there and in woods. And they didn't know what it was. Because this area, even though the interstate is about a half mile away or so, this place is vast wilderness. Once you get behind her house, it just goes, you know. And I think they didn't really, you know, understand what we were doing there or anything like that. At first, I thought, you know, they were wanting to kill us. You know, I really didn't think that we were safe being out there. because there was like you'll hear like a deer grunt or like not grunt but like huff and there was a lot of those those were very loud too and so it was like man you know i don't know it was just trying to put myself back there in that situation and that that situation was very nerve-racking for me yeah i can imagine especially the first time you encounter them i had to laugh at your ghost comment because it is a lot like that it's like let's go ghost hunting and that sounds fun until a ghost shows up, you know, and then you're like, what are we doing?

Have you been back to that property, or is there still stuff going on that you know of? Actually, the property is done at this point, I guess. The Hurricane Michael come through there and flattened it. Every tree that was over eight foot tall got split in half, you know. they just had like 160 mile an hour sustained winds for eight hours and you know that's coming with like 200 mile an hour gusts and so it was pretty pretty intense and it tore the property up so those it's not really safe to walk out there in those woods anymore there's so many widow makers and stuff but i ended up staying on that property became good friends with the owner and we just stayed on that property i want to say till about 2017 and uh the stuff that happened there i went from believing that saskatch was a primate you know to now i really don't know what it is you know what what made you change your mind about two years into it okay all

me and my buddy, David Lauer, were sitting up on this hill, and now the hill kind of gradually dropped down into this creek. And we heard Knox coming from the other side, right? We were just mainly watching the creek because that's what we did. We constantly watched the creeks because we believed they were going to travel them, so we would sit off a distance. But we heard knocks. we did a knock back

and then it replied but it was closer and this is on the other side of the creek now and so this went on for about four times and then right when it got right about where it would walk out into the open

right before the creek it stopped but this red light appeared between me and David on the ground now if you looked at it you couldn't see it but if you

like looked at it through your peripherals it was there which was so odd because I didn't I was like what is going on and then it moved up and we like both seen it so I was like David are you seeing that and then we figured out if we turned we look at it couldn't see it so it was the weirdest thing

and that was the first of many many incidents with the lights the lights kind of changed my opinion on what they were. Yeah, it is fascinating. You know, every time people have these things on their property, I'll ask them if they've seen the lights. And everyone has a different name for them, but I just call them the lights.

And almost everyone says yes, that they're seeing the lights on their property. And I kind of, I hate to say there is a correlation between the lights and Sasquatch, but it's weird. It's a really weird coincidence. that happens over and over and over again. Was there anything else that happened on that property that made you think this might be something else?

Yeah. You know, after we accepted that the lights could be them, okay, because that was a big deal. Like my buddy David was all about the lights. He was like, man, that's what they are, blah, blah, blah, talking. I'm like, no, there's no way. You know, so then we would see. sit out there in the forest and just ask questions and ask for the lights to appear. Now, we took my girlfriend and my buddy's brother.

I'd never met my buddy's brother and I just met my girlfriend. So we went out there in the woods and sat down asking them questions. We'd be telling them about these lights. And the light appears about 25 yards from us. Well, it floats. I guess kind of like the forest gump feather floats. you know, best way I can describe it, and it floats all way up, and David puts his hand out, and the thing lands right in his hand and goes out.

Okay, so then we continue to sit there, and we asked if the Bigfoot's could show up. And it wasn't maybe 20 seconds later, the loudest, like, growl, grunt kind of noise. like that, you know, come from directly behind us. And it was close too. So we, of course, got thermals and well-looking and stuff. And then when we went to leave, Monroe said to David, he said, are you going to take that light home in your backpack, would you? Are you going to let it go?

And right if he said that, the thing flies up right off the top of David's backpack. Circles us in the air about three times, flies back to where we were sitting and goes. nose in the ground. And when we had that with the light and then asking to bring the big foots and that growl happened, it's like, all right, okay, I got to start looking at this. So then we started, you know, experimenting with that. We would always go out there and just be asking questions and almost talking to the forest. Yeah, it gets weird after a while, doesn't it?

I mean, because I was like you, I really thought it was some sort of non-human primate we're tracking. We're trying to prove. And the weird part about that theory, here's a strange thing. I think that Sasquatch is very physical. It leaves trace evidence of it being there, whether that be footprints or, you know, whatever. There is trace evidence, hair, blood. you know, there is trace evidence of it, but there is this other side to this subject. No one really seems to want to address that there is weird stuff that goes on. You know, either get one side of

the camp or the other. Either it's a non-human primate, or it's some spirit moving in and out of dimensions. And I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, because there is weird things that go on with Sasquatch. So was it after this experience? you and your dad go out and get that thermal footage. And for the audience, you may have seen it, you may not have seen it, but it's a thermal footage and it appears to be a Sasquatch going from one tree to the next. And Stacey and his father were out and they got that thermal. Can you tell the audience a little bit about that who may not know about this thermal image?

Yeah, we got it. it was May 8th, 2012. We were sitting out, we went out camping, we were just sitting around the fire and started hearing Knox. And, you know, my dad didn't really know what Knox were. I was kind of explaining it to him, you know, because at this time, I had already had my encounter. And so I immersed myself in this world.

So I knew everything. I could spit stuff off like I was selling a car or something. I could tell you everything about the car. So I was telling my dad about this and he goes, well, I think it's just the wind. And he says, well, if we hear one more, we'll go out looking for it. Then it happens, right? And so we head out. We head out looking.

And you can hear stuff running on the left of us. Here's stuff running on the right. And then we get to what I thought was the trail. And we hang a left. And you hear something. something kind of run up on the hill and then stop. And so he looks up there and he thinks it's a coon, right? It's sticking out of just one side of the tree.

I guess the thing's head was peeking around looking at us. And then it's sticking on the other side. And now it's sticking out of both sides. And then my dad steps forward. And when he did, he kicked a palmetto. And so it was kind of loud. It was especially at night. You know,

uh, wasn't much noise going on. When he kicked that palmetto, the thing shot out, you know, and he freaked out. Um, we ended up leaving right after that.

Uh, it was kind of, it was, it was cool because you get to see him become a believer on camera. You know, because like he had the thermal, but I had the Sony little handy cam. I filmed every time we went out anywhere,

you know, documenting everything. So, uh, getting to see his face, you know, he flipped out. He just, the camera died, which is another thing that, like, those were new batteries. I don't know how many times I've had new batteries in my thermals, and we have an encounter. The batteries go completely dead.

So I don't know what that is, but that's something that also has to be looked at. So the camera goes dead, and he's flipped out. because it was looking at us and it didn't have no flashlight. I mean, you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. It was dark. And this thing moved fine. It went the same way that we had to go. So that also flipped him out a little bit.

And the whole time, I didn't know what was going on. He just like, get your gun, get your gun. I carried this 44 Ruger Red Hawk at the time. So it's a big pistol And I'm I pull this gun out I'm like okay is it a cat You know I really didn't know And then once we got back in the parking lot

He showed me and I was like man So Ultimately We You know putting anything out to the public like that Is putting yourself out there For ridicule

You know people are going to call a hole so No matter what Like guaranteed you go film a big foot tomorrow somebody's going to stay your hook. I don't care if it's real or not. So what we did is we outsourced the investigation because we knew everything. We knew right about where we were standing, you know. We knew kind of just about where it was standing.

And so we hit Cliff up from finding Bigfoot. And he agreed to do the investigation. And we weren't going to put it out until his investigation was done. We wanted a third party, somebody that wasn't by, I didn't have a horse in the race. You know, if he said it was a real deal, then it was the real deal. And we filmed it in May and didn't release it until he was done at the 1st of December. Once he was done, we released everything.

And it is a fascinating video that you guys captured. You know, one of the things in that video is really quick as it goes from tree to tree. but is the hands. And I know a lot of people were saying, oh, you know, some guy with a catcher's glove on. But I've actually heard a lot of eyewitnesses go, their hands are huge, almost like a catcher's mitt. And I remembered back to that thermal that you and your dad got.

And I thought, you know what, that's exactly how a lot of people are describing their hands. Their hands are just huge. Well, see, we thought at first it could have been a person. At first, my dad thought after the initial shock was over with, he thought I was messing with him. And I'm like, dude, it's Tuesday night at midnight. And then it's like, okay, well, what if it actually is somebody?

Just how terrifying is that thought? Because we were a mile in the woods, you know, and this person don't got no clothes on. So a mile in those woods in the Florida woods, that's a little bit different to be in some of these other places where everything can't kill you. That was the one thing when I watched it, the hands were so big. And I had heard Derek Randall's story before and I actually believed him. So he was one of the first people I sent the footage to. I sent it to Melbourne.

I sent it to Derek Randalls. I sent it to those guys off of that Facebook find Bigfoot. And I just asked Derek. I was like, hey, how big were the hands? And he goes, they were massive. And I'd actually, he was one of the few people that I actually believed. Yeah, let me ask you, Stacy. See, after you've been in this for so long,

what do you think that Sasquatch is? And obviously, it's something I ask everyone on the show, and there's no wrong answer because no one knows. You know what I mean? If I had to see, that question, it's hard for me because I'm trying to still understand what our reality is, like what reality we live in. I'm borderline thinking this is all simulation.

So if that's the truth, Then I don't know what the Bigfoot is. But I believe that the, I believe I know enough to not know enough, or to not have an actual answer on that. I know enough about it that. I don't know what they are. I've had a UFO encounter immediately followed by Bigfoot encounter.

18 people saw that UFO with me. And then they all heard the Knox, too. We were just the ones that went out and looked for the Knox. So I don't know. It's if I had to guess, it's whatever the Native Americans are saying about it because I talked to some of them and they had told me this, they kind of walk through worlds one way or another. However that works out. They can be physical at times and then they can also, you know, and I think these lights, I think the lights are actually them. I think that's maybe why you see the tracks that are going on for ways and then they just stop.

you know because maybe they they turn their you know energy into something else I think the possibilities there I'd like to believe it was just a primate I'm also not closed on that one if it is a primate I'm fine with that I just

you know Lester Lald told me he's like dude it would be in a zoo and he's absolutely right it would be in a zoo if it was a normal animal I would think, you know, with the way we are, with the way we've done this planet. I believe we'd be looking at it somewhere in the zoo. Yeah, I would hope it would be a primate, too. I have my doubts on that, but I would be, I'd be first to be happy over it being a primate,

probably more than, you know, the people who out, who think they're out chasing a monkey. You know, I would be probably happier than they were. If it did come out that way, I tend to agree with you. I think there's a lot of really weird things that go on with Sasquatch. that you can't really explain a way. And you mentioned the UFO incident. Tell me about that. Was that in Florida?

Did that happen out there when you were? No, that was on Bigfoot Bounty. That dumb Bigfoot game show that I was on, really stupid. But it was fun. So the cast, we're all hanging out. and we were in Glenwood, maybe Glenview or something.

I don't know. We were right at Mount Adams. And so we're just sitting there hanging out after filming all day. And there's this ball of light right in front of the mountain. It kind of just, it's going from left to right and then stops.

And now from where we were staying, almost the whole horizon was the mountain. Okay? So just imagine looking up and all you really see is the mountain. This thing was about the size of, I guess, an orange, right? It looked, if you were to, like, put your hand around it, you know, holding it up to it. It was about the size that was huge. And it sits there for the longest time.

In all reality, it probably wasn't like three minutes. But it seemed like it was there forever because you can see this heat coming off of it that. it looked like the heat coming off the top of your car. If you ever like during the summer, look at the top of your hood or something, you kind of see that little heat distortion. That's what was coming off this thing. And so then it slightly goes to the left and then boom,

it's gone. And everybody's sitting there looking at each other like, oh, do we actually just see that? It was mind blowing. And then with I'd say 15 minutes, we heard the first knock. And then the second knock followed and this thing was moving around, but it was knocking. And we were all sitting there listening to stuff. And David, it's like, let's go, man.

Let's go after it. So we got our gear. We went after it. I couldn't find them. The notch stopped. but we went out there the next morning because it was kind of like these pine trees it was kind of like a little acre or so that had just these planted pines there was some really tall grass in it and it had left tracks whatever was doing the knocks left the tracks

so we followed them followed them probably i want to say at least three quarters of a mile across this bobwire fence uh and then to this little small creek that was in the middle of this field. I say small creek. It was probably about 15 inches wide. And it went the whole length of this dude's property. And that's where the track stopped. It's just like they disappeared.

Unless they got in the creek and walked. But it was, I mean, you could have easily done that. But I don't know what the point of that would be. Let me ask you. So you see this thing, you say the size of an orange, Are you talking about from a distance you're saying that? Obviously. Oh, yeah.

It's from a distance. Like, because we're not right up on the mountain. You know, we're back. We're probably at least a 20 minute drive to it, 25 minutes. But it's all you could see in the sky was the mountain. And I guess the way I seen is I put my hand up in front of my, or out in front of my face and kind of just stuck my, kind of wrap my finger.

years around what we were looking at it's like that dude that's about the size of an orange you know that's that's how big it was that we were seeing but we weren't close to it by no means oh I got you so it was obviously huge whatever it was yeah the thing was massive but because it was you know like I said as far away as we were it was as big as an orange this thing had to be huge and it just looked like a ball of light you know there were no pulsating colors or nothing like anybody describes and it was just this heat coming off of you could see kind of look like a little heat distortion around it or something from whatever it was

putting off and then that thing just shot up and was gone yeah there's that's strange man there's all kinds of weird stuff that goes on up to her at mount adams man all kinds of bizarre things very strange let's talk a little bit about your new documentary the skunk ape lives and for the audience, if they have Amazon Prime or if they just have regular Amazon want to go rent it. It's called The Skunk Cape Lives. Tell us a little bit about it, Stacey.

What this is, if you're watching it, is seven years of research. Coming across people, you've got one guy, which is me. I started out, I start the film out with one of the oldest

white settler accounts. of a big foot you know and it happened in Florida so it kind of starts out with that and then it just goes into everything I've come across over you know the seven years and it's got that footage

that handy cam footage in it it's me trying to make the argument to a non-believer to not get them to say yes skunk cape lives but to get them to scratch your head and be like well

I don't know. Because all the people that are in the film, they're all telling the truth. I've talked hundreds of people. And these guys, you know, they have the best stories. I guess if you're not into Bigfoot and you're just watching it, that's what it is. It's me trying to make a legitimate argument for the existence of the skunk ape. I got you. And there's a lot of eyewitnesses in the film kind of talking about their encounters.

And, you know, I think with this subject, I honestly think that. that for someone who doesn't believe in Bigfoot and thinks it's all nonsense, I think eyewitness accounts is probably the best place to start. Because after a while, you know, even on my show, I hear it all the time. You know, your show's getting boring. I hear the same story after story and they all sound the same. Well, it's because if one guy said he saw a green Bigfoot, the other guy said he saw a purple Bigfoot and, you know, one was writing a dragon, then it, you you could make an argument that people are probably crazy. But the fact is, account after account after account, they generally look the same.

Their behaviors are generally the same. You see a lot of consistency in, especially when you talk to eyewitnesses. Wouldn't you agree with that, Stacey, as you've interviewed many people? Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's really the only, it's kind of the best evidence we have. and I don't understand why people, you know, shoot that down so much. Like in the film, you'll watch, these people would have been fine if they had never seen the thing. They don't care. It hasn't changed their life drastically in any way.

They just, they saw what they saw. They didn't see a bear. Like with my first encounter, oh, you saw a bear. No, I didn't. That would be like me looking at you, West, and somebody telling me, I didn't see Wes. I seen a bear. That's, you know, ludicrous. I know what I've seen.

And these people know what they saw. And can't everybody be lying? Yeah, there's definitely a lot of eyewitnesses out there, you know, and you're right. I mean, is everyone lying? You know, I don't think so. And these things are definitely out there. And it's frustrating at times because it's hard to come up with answers for people on certain things. And, you know, when you go out and look for them, sometimes it feels like we're

racing a ghost. Do you know what I mean? Well, actually that you mentioned that, we now take our ghost equipment with us while we're big footing. I still take everything else, you know, but now there's an EMF meter and rem pods and different things we use to, because maybe they are some type of spirit

or something of that nature, like, the Native Americans said maybe maybe that's what they are but I have no idea I know that I want to prove it and you know to prove it you have to be completely open and you can't go into this with a you know with the idea of what it is already I think that's because if let's say you want it to be a primate

you know you'll find only primate stuff you know, I mean, you'll find things to back up your theory. So, and maybe ignore other things that shouldn't be, been ignored, like the lights. I ignored them for so long because I wanted it to be a primary. And that was, that was wrong of me, you know, because you have to look at the whole, everything you're getting, you have taken all the data and then come to that conclusion. But I don't think until we understand our reality better that this would be proven. I don't know if that makes sense, but I don't know if we actually understand what's really going on here.

And I think maybe it's because we can only see here and taste, feel, right? You know, you got so many senses. And what's beyond that? Like, what are we missing? I'm sure there's other things out there that we just don't know about. And so I think when we actually figure out what our reality is, maybe in a hundred years, then we'll have a better idea of understanding, you know, certain things like Sasquatch. Yeah, I agree.

I mean, you can make an argument, you know, this creature's seen on almost every continent, and it's so weird that we can't catch up with them. I mean, if you listen to the Chinese, they're describing the exact same thing we're describing. If you talk to the Russians, they're saying the same thing we're saying. If you talk to the Australians, we're all saying the same thing. And we haven't caught up with this saying. It makes you kind of stop and go, well, what's going on here? You know what I mean?

But I hope people go out and check out your movie. The Skunkake lives on Amazon Prime. It'll be cool to hear from my witnesses. I started watching it the other day. I thought you did a pretty good job on it, man. So I hope people definitely go out and check it out. The Skunk Cape lives. and hopefully one day we'll solve this mystery.

But I appreciate you coming on, Stacey. Thank you so much for taking the time. Yeah, bud, I'm actually going to head to the woods tonight. Coronavirus has finally, I guess, allowed us to now go to the woods. The governor here has said enough of that. Y'all can go camping. So this is the first time. How gracious.

We've been missing our whole prime time to skunk ape hunt. So we're going to get some this weekend. I appreciate you having me on, dude. Yeah, brother, be safe out there, will you? I know everything in Florida wants to kill you once you get out in those woods. So be safe, and I appreciate it coming on again. All right, bro. You take care, man.

You as well, Stacy. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is west at saskwatch chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone.