Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:678 The Hunting Lease

Episode Date: August 8, 2020

Tonight I will be speaking to three guests. My first Cassidy had several strange experiences on a hunting lease in Wisconsin. I will be playing some sounds tonight that resemble what the witness heard. Cassidy talks about something walking up to his trailer on the property and tapping on the windows. I will also be speaking to Travis who had an encounter with several creatures while on a trail in Pennsylvania. We will wrap up with Matt who is a truck driver from Western Pennsylvania and witnessed a creature on the side of the road. Matt said "I wasn't sure what it was the eyes were red, which confused me. I never looked into Bigfoot before this and did not realize their eyes could be red…it was strange."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. What's... What's...

They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw were bears. What's... What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

Do you see a pounce, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh. Go ahead. Do you want to give your mom a shout-up? Yeah, well, she loves your show. She loves you. Hi, Mom.

Thank you for getting us the membership. Well, there's certainly no shortage of the pheasant back mushrooms out here. You can see, here's one, and then one over here. It looks really nice. And then just looking around here in the distance, that tree has a bunch. And then this log over here has a bunch. Take a walk over there. These look pretty big.

Yeah, this, I'm helping that one is down there. It's got to be about 12 inches across. And this one looks like it has a bite out of it. And this one. And there's one over here. Looks like it's holding some water. I think it's time to go. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. That was Cassie there in the intro, and he was giving a shout out to his mom. And the sound that I played there in the beginning, Cassie was on a hunting lease out there in Wisconsin, and that was the noise he heard, and it was about 10, 15 feet away while he was out there hunting. And he's going to be sharing a couple encounters with us tonight. Very strange encounters on this property,

and I don't think it's, I think this is just the beginning of these encounters on this property. So he'll be going into that. We're also going to be chatting with Travis. Travis is originally from Oregon and he moved to Pennsylvania. And he had a real bizarre account when he was out hiking. I know you guys have heard it before. You guys have heard this behavior before. And Travis was a little shook by what happened.

He really wasn't sure what was going on. And then we'll wrap up with Matt. And Matt comes to us. from Pennsylvania. Matt's actually a truck driver, and he got a quick glimpse of this creature as he went by, and it was standing there looking at the traffic going by, which is another strange behavior you'll hear from these creatures where they'll just seem to watch traffic. Very strange. It happens more than you might think. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to

Welcome Cassidy to the show. Cassidy, thanks for coming on. Hey, thanks for having you, Wes. Yeah, thank you for being here. And I know you had a couple strange encounters out there in Wisconsin. For the audience, would you just kind of start from the beginning? Tell us what you were doing and what happened out there. Yeah, sure.

So it was a buddy of mine. We are both avid outdoorsmen's essentially lifelong hunters and I'm a marine myself. So we were going to do some little, let's see, like a survival, like skill honing session where my buddy's dad was going to blindfold us and drive us around and then drop us off in the middle of nowhere. And after about an hour and a half of him driving around, he dumped us off and gave us five topo maps and said, here you go, guys, let's see you in a couple days. So after wandering off the maps that he gave us, we finally found a trail we could hike down and we started on our way. After a hiking all day, we found a nice little spot to camp, make shelters on the backside of a pond that was off the trail.

So we're on the backside of the pond and the way it set up is you kind of go down this little, it's got a little grade you got to go down. and on the right side would be the pond on the left side it kind of keeps steeping this little hill it's like a ledge almost so we made our shelter into the side of this ledge so that when you look out you see the fire and then the pond it was late afternoon by the time we get the shelter down and got fire and food and i will never forget how precise my thoughts were at this moment. I was standing in front of the shelter. My buddy Tim is to my left. I was putting my fleece back on because it was still getting cold that time of year. It was early spring April and in North woods it gets cold still at night gets down in the 30s still. So I was putting my fleece on and I remember I was adjusting to the left cuff on my sleeve

and something behind our shelter. Now the hill behind our shelter was extremely steep at this point. It's only about 8 feet tall but very steep. So I'm adjusting my sleeve and something standing on the ledge behind our camp it didn't howl at us, it didn't growl at us.

It screamed at us. And it was a long, deep, girthy scream. It was like a human would scream, but obviously not a human. It was really long. It was long enough to where I could, in my mind, in my mind, I could run through the list of animals and Northwoods of what their noises are. So, okay, it's not a black bear. Black bear is big grout.

It's not a moose. Moose make kind of a, like a cow kind of sound in a sense. Foxes, foxes in heat, I know they make like a screech. They sound like a teradactyl. Wolves are magnificent. My buddy, who I was with, he can howl at the wolves and they can howl back. So it definitely wasn't that. elk which we don't have in that part of the state

they they sound beautiful when they bugle so it was none of those I know cougars they are rare in the area but they have more than one vocal vocal they do two three four at a time this was one long simultaneous

yell scream roar and at the end of it tapered off into it was like high-pitched. Like it's voice cracked or something, but it was high-pitched for like the last

three, four, five seconds. And that's when my mind goes, wow, that is a really loud bird. And then my brain said, there's no way that can be a bird because birds don't have a lung capacity to yell that long. And then I thought the reason I was thinking was a bird is because

it was high, it was high up. It was like, there's a difference if someone screams in your face, three feet from you, and there's a difference if they stand on a second-story balcony, and they take three steps back, and they scream at you. You can differentiate the height difference to someone's screaming. That's what it seemed like. It was higher up, but it was just stepped back far enough on that ledge to where we couldn't see anything. So I'm standing there, I have my right hand on my left cuff sleeve, this yelling just,

stops. And my buddy Tim and I, we instantly, instantly grab our pistols. We grab our firearms. I had a 9mm. He had a 44 magnum. And we both ran around the shelter to where the little, the incline was about three and a half, four feet so you can get up it in one good step. You're up to the top, which is about 20 feet from our shelter. So a 20 foot sprint, one step up the hill. And now we're in hardwoods, Wisconsin, spring. No, there's no foliage. There's, you know, the leafy gears are just starting to come out of the ground. They're a couple inches tall.

So with the sway of the hips, you know, you could see 80, 20, 120 yards depending on, you know, how far you sway your hips to the left and right. And there's nothing there. So whatever can scream, how old y'all roar at us from, you know, at a flat distance of, let's say, 15 feet and then can disappear it in 100 yards and three seconds in the woods is, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, have you found anything to compare that screen to? Yeah. Last week, I found a video on YouTube. It was posted on the Saskatch Chronicles Facebook page of a man who was mushroom hunting.

and he was talking about the phezzi back mushrooms and then he got he essentially got yelled at by something and i instantly knew right away what that was ours was like that extremely like that except for like i said it got high pitch at the end a little bit longer like that long and then add on about five seconds of high pitch screaming and i had sent that video to my buddy and he's a tough dude i mean I've seen this guy injure himself and say, okay, we got to go to the hospital and he'll say, well, no, let's finish the job first. And I sent him that video and he said, that gave me chills at my spine. I have goosebumps. He's like, that's what we heard. He's like, I don't know what that is, but that's what we heard. Yeah, it's so bizarre how they can be so close and scream and then you get up and there's nothing there. And I've talked to people who have been in that position, you know, where they've, think,

I told his story of the guy in the tent and he saw this huge hand run down the side of his tent. And he saw the outline of this thing. And he grabbed his pistol. The tent came out. There was nothing there. Bizarre, man. Really bizarre. So obviously you guys can't leave. I mean, you guys were dropped off in the middle of nowhere. Did anything else happen while you were there? We stayed the night. It was very uneasy. It was cold too, but it was very uneasy of a night. Nothing else happened to us. I don't know if. whatever, you know, the minister of this thing is the domain seen that we had firearms when we ran up the hill and it hid or it, it took off or both. But nothing else happened that night. We both did feel uneasy and we woke up before it was light out to leave. Yeah, I don't blame me for leaving. What did you think was screaming at you? What did your buddy think was screaming at you?

I mean, what was kind of your guys' conversation? We had no idea. His dad, who lives up there now, he has no idea. I don't know. I later started finding the show, Finding Bigfoot, and I was like, man, maybe that's what this was. And then I got in the year's show, and the more and more encounters I hear, you know, the more and more starting to think that's what it could be. There's no other explanation.

Yeah, it's spooky, man. especially when you can't see it. Tell me about, I know there's two other odd encounters. Tell me, tell me about the next one. Was it in the same general area? No, that one was in northern Wisconsin, which is very, very remote. That place is actually surrounded by a state forest, two state forest and a national forest, but it's remote. This next two happened at my hunting lease on the western part of the state.

This happened last summer, and then the second O'Connor happened this past winter. Our hunting lease is we hunt the back side of a 350-acre plot. We have 100 acres in the back. And then we have other property scattered about the area. This area is all flat farm field, rolling hills, scattered in with woods and, you know, pretty thick forests back in, you know, you have woods in the middle of the fields, essentially. And there's about three houses, two to three houses for every mile long of area, I would say. And the majority of them are, they're Amish.

So those people keep to themselves. They don't really talk to outsiders and especially not about weird stuff like this, per se. So we had gone up there. It was actually this time of year last year to set up all of our stuff. for deer hunting, get the trail cabins in, get shooting lanes cut, get, you know, new stands put up. It was my dad, my uncle, my cousin, myself. We worked all day, went and got some food, came back, and my cousin and I decided that we would go do some coyote hunting at night. My dad and my uncle were too worn out from the day's work, so they stayed back to go to sleep.

So my cousin I went to the back side of that 350. The way it's set up, it's set up like a, like a you or a horseshoe. So down the middle is the sliver of woods. I say it's about 40, 50 yards wide, but it's real deep like a valley. It goes down probably 40 feet. And there's a trail down there that we put a water trough in for the deer. So they have a little sanctuary down there to hide. And I would say it's about,

it's about 120 yards long, that little valley. We are sitting at the bottom part of the U, so you can see out in the field, see coyotes come from both directions. And the way the coyote calls work, it's electronic. You press the button, you change it for different animal calls. So we were sitting so we can see both the left side of the U and the right side of the U,

and the sliver of the woods is down the middle in front of us. So I'm using the call. The first animal call didn't work, so I turn the volume down before I move into the next series of calls. And I don't know if I hit the volume up button on accident or the unmute button, but when I went to go hit the second call, after it being quiet for about 10 minutes, hit the second call, and the volume just blares out.

And what you shouldn't do, which you're supposed to work your way into it. So the volume, full blast, super loud, blares a fawn in distress noise, and something was on the edge of the wood line in that little sliver of woods, and I must have scared it when I hit that call, because it went crashing through that valley. And like I said, there's a trail down there. You can drive a four-wheeler down this trail, and whatever it was was crashing through the valley for no reason.

There's a big wide trail you can run down. I've heard deer run through the woods. I've heard deer run through the dry corn stalks. They make noise when they want to go. But this was different. It went plowing through their braking stuff. And my cousin looks at me and he goes, what the F was that? And I said, I don't know.

It's like it sounded like a train, didn't it? And he goes, yeah. And what I mean by it sound like a train is, if you've ever been the first car or second car parked at a train tracks when the train stops, the box cars banging each other. Kaboom, kaboom, kaboom, kaboom, kabum,

that's exactly what went through my mind when that happened. It was the train stopping, and the box started banging in each other. So we listened to it run all the way through that valley, and we were dumbfounded on what it was. So after that, we were like, okay, well, this hunt is over.

We just blew out all the other animals out of the woods from that. So I went out in the field, I picked up the call, and we made our way back to the camper. Our campers on the front side of the property, but still closer to the field and woods and stuff. And we went back to the camper. We went back in and hit the rack and passed out.

No big deal. Well, the next morning, my dad wakes up and says, do you guys get anything? No. Okay. Would you guys get locked out last night? No, why would we get locked out? The door is never locked unless we leave for the week

or we go, you know, in town or something. Oh, well, I thought I heard you guys knocking on the, on the camper to wake one of us up. No, the door is always unlocked. We just came and went to sleep. So what do you mean someone was knocking? Well, it was weird. It was like a repeated pattern a couple of times all around the camper, three, four times. Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock.

Well, that doesn't make any sense of why would we knock all the way around the camper. We would just bang on the door. Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. I thought you guys were locked out. I didn't really think anything of it until, you know, late on the drive home, you know, recalling some of the stories that are on your show, Wes,

about people with campers, you know, they usually have these things knocking on the windows and stuff. Yeah, that's bizarre. Almost like it followed you back then. Exactly. It's like we must have scared it and it was pissed at us, so it tried to freak us out. That's spooky, man.

And you said the third encounter happened in the same area? Are you guys hunting lease? My exact same hunting lease. The camper is in the same spot. That was this winter. We went to go do some coyote hunting. There was about a foot of snow on the ground. We had a pretty rough hunt, tried to do the snow to the field.

So my cousin and my uncle were, they were done walking to the snow. So we went back to the camper, and I said I was going to try and do a little cheat hunting. and put the call out in the field near the camper so I could look out the window of the camper and see if we were getting any movement out in the fields coming toward the decoy to the call. So I put it on what would be the tail end of the camper out in the field behind it, so that way when I exited out would be the passenger side of the camper. I could sneak along the side of it and look out in the fields, and I can work my way around the rear of the camper and look out in the field,

which would be on the driver's side. when it's connected to the vehicle. You can look in the big field, it's got a big hill, lots of view. I can see things come from a long way from there if I needed to. So I put the call out, and I'm inside.

We're hanging out, and I'm pressing the buttons from inside, and I go to look out the rear window, so I don't have to go outside, and there's a screen in front of the window, and the windows were all fogged up from it being warm in there, so I couldn't wipe the condensation off the window.

So that kind of blew that idea out of water of trying to stay warm and hunt. So I would periodically, I would walk out to the tail end of the camper and look around in the fields with my green predator light, didn't see anything, didn't see anything. Walked around to the rear side and some deer out in the field up at the top of that hill. It wasn't much going on. So I walked in my same footsteps back out in the field to get my call

because I didn't even tie my boots. I was just in my base layer, which was like the Long Johns. So I walked in my same tracks back out to get my call, walked the same footsteps back, because I didn't get that my boots tied at all. And we called it a night. So later that night, I'm sleeping in my bunk, which is at the tail end of the camper.

And I wake up to hearing crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch and then I hear what would be like a like a tapping at my window where my head is by my bunk tap tap tap tap tap tap and I was like this can't be real so I looked at my phone and it was 523 a.m. And it was silent for a second and then I hear crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch. crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch and it gets quieter like whatever it was walked up to the camper knocked on the wind like tapped on the window with its fingernail and then had walked off and I knew that from previously hunting that earlier that night that if I could look out that window I would but I can't the condensation soap had and you can't wipe it off from the screen being in the way so I just lay it in my bunk and thought there's no way that this is happening

And I looked at my phone again and I just kind of laid there. I said, well, I'm not going to jump out and start shooting this thing. And I'm not going to wake everybody up at 5.3 in the morning for nothing to be there. But this is really weird. And I figured there's nothing really I could do about it. So I just went back to bed. Yeah, it makes me wonder if it's the same one your dad heard, you know, coming and tapping on the camper. Yeah, this one was tapping on the window.

And my dad said it was knocking on the actual walls of the camper. But yeah. And the next morning I woke up and my uncle's already awake and said, hey, you didn't walk out by the back to the camper, did you? Because I didn't want to, I wanted to look for footprints or something. You said, no. So I walked out there and there was no other footprints. But then I thought about it of how other guys have said that they don't like to leave tracks and how they'll purposely avoid the snow patches when it's spring. I was like, well, there's no footprints.

But on the way home, I thought about those things. and I thought, I wonder if I was walking in my exact tracks just like I did the night before. Yeah, it could be. It's so bizarre the behavior of the saying. You know, have you gone out there when you're not hunting and just kind of taking a look around to see what you could find? We're either up there doing work, like I said, with the deer sand stuff, or we're out hunting, but never really just to go hiking and look for stuff. Does it worry a little bit? I mean, you know, these encounters, I think, freak a lot of hunters out.

Usually a hunter, you know, especially if they're in one area, these things will come around. I had one guy on the show one time where it, he ended up shooting at him. They kept coming around his camper and screwing with them. And it was a hunting lease, and he came out and popped off a couple shots. He came back a week later and had something had jammed a tree right in the middle of his camper, right where he was sleeping. And he had seen it. It was looking in the window at him a couple times.

Does it worry at all being out there hunting on this property now? I always carry a firearm. And being the stubborn, cocky marine that I am, I'm not really too worried. If anything tries to pull one over and get me in that sense, they had also better be prepared to die. So it's in the back of your mind. but I mean, I always care when I'm out there.

So whether it's for him or worst-case scenario, it's for me something, you know? Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. What do you think that they are, Cassidy? What's kind of your opinion after listening to the show and then having these weird experiences out there? What do you think that they are? I don't think there are anything spiritual or I don't think there are anything extraterrestrial. I think they've been here a long time.

they've been here just as long as us. There's a different branch of the tree per se. And they're just, they're masters of their craft. And they, you know, I think less drought said it best, that if these tiny pockets of these things are hiding out, they don't want to be found. They don't necessarily be found. And now that we're approaching on their areas,

now we're starting to have more and more encounters with them. But I think they're just creatures, fleshing blood creatures. Yeah, I hear you. When you get when you're heading back out there next season or this coming? Oh, no. We're going up in two weeks to go put up the stands and do some coyote hunting. Well, let me know when you're out there if anything bizarre happens.

You know, a lot of times I'll tell people, don't get me wrong, I'm all for killing one of these things. I'm all for it. But I think if you're a hunter and you're out there in a position to where fear takes over, I know you're a Marine, but if fear takes over, you know, you put, get a guy who's a first, I'd put a gun in his handies and start shooting. I would be real careful doing that out there. I don't think that they run around alone. I think if you see one, there's probably two or three others close by.

And so, but you have to let me know when you go back out there if anything else happens. Yeah, I definitely don't think they're alone either. I was looking at the BFRO's page about their reports on both the places that I've had these encounters. And the one further north with the screens, there was wood knock encounters there a couple of years later. and the one on the western part of our state where we have our lease. Within where the crow flies, there's a town within 10 miles. This is the next town. And some guy outside of town said he's seen daytime juvenile siding of one.

Yeah, they're definitely out there in Wisconsin. I mean, people don't think that they are. I've even had reports of Iowa. I don't know if you've ever been to Iowa, but it's pretty flat. And I've had a lot of, I've had reports of them there too. So it doesn't shock me one bit they're out there in Wisconsin. And to be honest with, they're probably doing the exact same thing you're doing. They're probably hunting.

That's what makes me so nervous with hunters because you're stepping in on what they're doing. And so sometimes there's altercations, there's aggression. I think a lot of their behavior is to get you to go away. It's meant to scare you. You know, because if these things really wanted to kill you, they would have killed everyone in that camper and no one would have stopped them. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

What's your dad think about it? Just out of curiosity, what's your dad's, have you talked to him about your experiences on top of what happened to him? I haven't really talked to him. My dad's not really the biggest hunter. It's my uncle. My uncle's a bigger hunter than probably all of us. He spends the most time out there. He'll spend weeks up there.

He can hunt from, or he can work from the camper. So he'll spend weeks up there, bow hunting. and he's open-minded to it. He's like, you know, I don't disbelieve. I just haven't had anything to make me believe. And then I kind of showed him your show a little bit and I, you know, told him what happened with the stuff with us and put it in the comparison. And he's definitely swearing over to the believer side, I think. Yeah, hopefully there's not an altercation on this property.

That's something that worries me is that I think your average hiker, your average. person that runs into them. They have an encounter, then they go their separate ways. Hunters, on the other hand, I think, you know, I've heard so many encounters of them stealing hunters' deer, which is bizarre, because if you think about it, that means there's something there's something, waiting for you to kill something. And sometimes there's altercations. There may not be, this one doesn't sound really aggressive.

He just kind of sounds like he's trying to screw with you, get your attention. You know what I mean? Yeah. That first encounter, though, of them screaming. and, you know, I wish I had a great, great answer for you as far as how it can just be there and then not be there, you know, that close. You know, because when they scream, it rattles you. I don't care what anyone says. It rattles you.

It throws me in my tracks. Literally had my hand on my cuff of my sleeve for the entire time frozen, ice frozen. Yeah, no doubt. And then, but for not to be there is so weird, you know, and I've heard that so many times that I would. wish I had a great answer for people. I just don't. I don't know how, you know, sometimes sound bounces around in the woods, but something's 10 feet, 10, 15 feet away, you know it's 10, 15 feet away. Just like your second or third encounter when you're in your trailer and you hear walking, the way you're describing it, it's obviously on two legs. It's not a bear strolling up.

Bear is probably not going to stroll up anyway, but it sounds like it was on two legs coming up before it tapped on the window. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, be careful out there, ma'am. Be real careful out there. And if you come across from my advice for whatever it's worth, I would treat it like it you would have bear. Just try and back away.

Don't engage with it. And nine times out of ten, they'll leave you alone. Yeah. Yep. And then I will definitely give you a call after that happens. Yeah, please do. Please let me know. I'm really curious.

I don't think this is the end of your encounters out there. It's, again, it's probably doing the exact same thing you guys are doing. It's probably hunting on this property. And it's probably roaming around, keeping an eye on where you guys are at, what you guys are doing. It obviously knows where you guys are staying. That's the other thing. If you have any sort of altercation, I wouldn't stay in that camper because that's the first place that's probably going to come back to. But be safe.

Let me know if anything else happens, will you? Yeah, we'll do, Wes. And I sure appreciate you taking the time to come on, Cassidy. yeah thank you welcome Travis to the show Travis thanks for coming on thank you Wes

I appreciate you having me on yeah I appreciate you coming on I know you had a kind of a a real strange encounter out there in Oregon and I know you moved to Pennsylvania and had a couple bizarre encounters out there

if you would kind of take us back to that moment out there in Oregon kind of what were you doing and what happened all right Wes what was about who was either 2012 or 2013 and I lived in the town of Sweet Home Oregon at the time.

Me and my ex-father-in-law, we went up elk hunting, and we went to this area between, I'm sure the locals that were listening to Shoddo, Moose Mountain, and Sheep Creek, we were up in the mountains there. And we pulled up to this old skid road that hadn't been used in years, there were trees down across it and things. And we decided to go up there to see if we could find a bowl. so we split off and he went one direction and I went up the skid road and I was following these large sets of tracks for an elk and after a little ways of walking I stopped just checking out these tracks and directly to my right where I was standing

a large limb and a very large juggered's fir tree broke and fell to the ground and it was odd because there was no rain and there was no wind when this happened. And my guess would be the tree being about two foot in diameter. And about the length of a small tree had fallen. And it scared me a little bit. And I looked up into these trees and it was dark. It was very early in the morning. And I couldn't really see anything up there.

And I stood there a few seconds looking around kind of contemplating why this so let me fall out of this tree. And I passed it off, and I kept on going up the skid road, fall on these elk tracks. Well, when I got up to this top of the hill, it turns to a right, and there's what the skid road is, it's cut into a bank on both sides. So there's about a four or five foot berm on each side, and then really old sallow brush and things like that growing.

On each side, it was real thick. Well, right when I got into the middle of that, berm area all my senses took off all the hair my body stood up all my senses when alert it was the

strangest thing I've ever happened to me and where the the road continuing it turned again around this corner but I can see down there but something told me don't go down any further than you are so I'm immediately started to back up

looking at the brush to see you know what this could be because we did have a lot of mountain lions and there are some bear up there and I was just kind of curious what it was but pretty quickly after that my senses told me you know you just need to leave you need to get out of here right now don't turn back and so I turned around and I walked calmly back down this hill on this skid road as a hunter I know not to run to entice predators to attack. So I walked back down the skid road. And when I got most of the way back down to down the skid road, my father-in-law at the time, he walks down the hill he was coming on so gradually with his hands in his pockets, his rifle on his shoulder. And he goes, did you see anything? And I said,

no, I didn't see anything. But at the same time, my senses were just screaming like, we need to go. We need to go right now. Let's go. But I didn't say word to him at the time. And we worked away through the down trees and things on the skid road. And none of these senses stopped screaming until I opened the truck door, got in, and closed the door. And we started back out of there. And then I started to calm down a little bit. But that was the most intense experience as far as sensations go I've ever had out in the woods. I'll never forget it.

Yeah, it's pretty bizarre, especially when you're hunting to have that take over, you know. Yeah. And it's good to listen to your gut. And, you know, it's, it is weird when you have that happen. I mean, I've been out there before and I've had, this is before anything with Bigfoot. And I've had those senses kick in. And it's kind of a nerve because you can't really explain why you're feeling that way. I mean, it's not like, you know, I realized a branch fell. A lot of his big branch that fell, by the way. Almost like something was sitting on it. But, you know, it's, it's bizarre. It's hard to articulate that, that sense that. you're in danger, but you can't explain why, you know what I mean? Right. And so you moved to Pennsylvania and other things happened there. Tell me about it. Yeah, so I moved to Western Pennsylvania, all by Pittsburgh. And one day, Gabby, my wife, she told me, you know, you haven't been out hiking in a while and she'd go on a hike.

So I thought it was a good idea. So I drove out to this state park I like. a lot called Lynn Run State Park, and it borders the Forbes State Forest. So I drove right through the state park, kind of looking for a place to go. And I found this little parking area. The park was completely the empty time. It was February 2nd of 2019 is when this happened. I remember the day, and there was still a little bit of snow on the ground. There was no one there whatsoever. So I pulled in this little parking lot, and I parked my car. The trail was called quarry trail and me and my dog my I have a dash I named bretta we went hiking and she was my partner

like she never left my side I didn't have to keep on a lease but I didn't want to and so we went hiking up this trail and about three quarters or a mile up this trail um on the left side uh there was a it sloped up into a big hill and uh there was some green looking, uh, look like probably wild rose bushes or something on there. There's the only green thing there at the time. Everything else was still dead. And uh, as soon as I was, started walking where those, where that brush was growing, I started hearing footsteps, not footsteps, but movement in the brush. And, uh, I noticed it right away, but at the first it didn't dawn on me that could be, I just figured it was a deer.

and I walked a little bit and it was still keeping patiently side by side and I started thinking that's kind of strange. So I stopped and I looked up on the hill and see if I could see what it was and I couldn't see anything because the brush is so thick and I was down low it was up high. I waited there for a few seconds and I didn't see anything. So then I turned and I continued to walk up the hill again. Well, as soon as I started walking, the brush started moving with me again, following me right up the hill. side by side. So I stopped and I turned around and I looked. I stood there for a couple minutes and I couldn't see anything.

So as soon as I turned to head up that trail, took one step, I heard a live knock on a tree. And I stopped again. I looked and I was wondering if somebody was playing games with me or something or if something fell from Woodpecker possibly and I'm just curious what this is. And I think so then I turned to do it again to go back up the hill and hurry another knock.

So then I stopped again. Okay, this is getting weird. Well, on the left side of the trail where the knocks and the movement was coming from further up, I heard a loud scream. And it was a loud, long scream, very deep scream. And it lasted probably. two or three seconds, it's nonstop. And I knew it wasn't a bird or any animal that was in the area.

Because I'm a birdwatcher type person. I know a lot of bird sounds and animal sounds. So I knew for a fact it wasn't one of those. But I wasn't afraid. I was curious. So I kept going up the trail. And I ended up hiking all the way up the trail. And then we came back.

And when we got back down to just about the same space, spot that I had stopped when I heard the noise and the brush up on the hill. My dog, I know, started noticing my dog was acting funny. She usually carries a rock and likes to fetch rocks for whatever reason. Well, she runs past me, drops a rock and runs about 20 feet up in front of me and stops. Turns in the trail and concks her head and she's looking at me. And I'm keep on walking. And then right then in there, I knew that.

there was something not right because my dog doesn't do this. She would try to take that rock home with her if she could. And I was looking at her eyes and she'd look right at me and then her eyes would dark right to the side of the trail where I was closest and look at something. She'd focus on it. She'd look it back at me and she'd focus on it again. And when I get closer to her, she ran back down the trail about 20 more feet and did the same thing, constantly looking at me and looking at something in the brush behind me. And I knew

there was something there. And all my senses told me, do not turn around, whatever it is, don't look at it, just keep walking. Don't pay attention to it. Just keep going. And we did this all the way until we got to a big rock outcropping, almost at the bottom of the trail. this is what happened. The same thing happened with her and me. And that's when I got to the rock outcropping and had big rocks on one side and he'll know I could see. I turned around because I started feeling a little bit. The feelings started easing up. I turned around and I didn't see anything there. And we proceeded to get into the car and go home. And I went home and told my wife about it. But it was a very strange experience. And there was definitely something there. And I definitely know

for a fact there was something there. Yeah, especially for your dog to alert to it. You sent me a howl. Is this kind of what you heard? It was just like that, but it was a lot closer to me than what the recorder, what it sounded like the recorder picked up in that video. Yeah, it's fascinating. That one's from Florida.

I'm curious, did you have that same type of feeling walking that trail as you did that day you're out with your ex-father-in-law? You know, it wasn't as bad. The hair isn't stand up on my neck or anything like that, like it did the first time. But my dog alerting the way she did is what, and knowing the odd experience I had going up the trail, is what really kind of put it in perspective for me is like, you know, there's something here and I probably shouldn't be here right now. So I should probably leave.

I didn't feel like I was in danger, but I felt like I wasn't. neat. I wasn't wanted there and I should probably get out of there like right now because I was in somebody else's territory. I didn't belong there. I was trespass. Yeah, it's a nerveing when something starts to pace you out. And I always said it before, you know, dogs will tell you when these things are around. I mean, they'll alert you and let you know when, when something is around. Have you ever gone back to that trail or was that kind of it? You know, I've wanted to go back to that trail and I drive by it often, but I can't bring myself to actually go up that trail. Yeah, who could blame you.

It's annerving, man. Especially, you know, you're walking up there and you're hearing the knocks. And, you know, if you're not really into Bigfoot, you don't know what to make of it. You know what I mean? It's like, well, what the hell is knocking? Right. You know, like you said, a woodpecker. Woodpecker would make sense, you know, maybe it hit something or I think we try and find answers and just pass it off.

But I almost think it's their way of signaling you're on your way up is kind of what I think is what they're doing. When I heard the knock and then the howl response immediately after the second knock, that is what I kind of attributed it to is that after thinking back on it is that somebody was telling somebody that I was coming to trail and somebody up the trail was telling personality trail that they knew I was coming kind of thing, like telephone. Yeah, yeah, exactly like telephone. And then one's following you, which makes it even more.

unnerving, especially when you can't see it. That's the one thing I don't get, you know, they seem to be able to follow you step by step, but it's almost impossible that they're able to do that because most accounts, people can't see what's pacing them, you know, but when they stop, it stops. When they move, it moves. Yeah, that was a thing is the time of year I went up there, all the leaves were dead and off the tree in the area I was walking. The rush was quite sick, and I didn't so much as hear.

twig snap. But I knew there was something there because my dog knew something there was there and she was telling me there was something there with her eyes. Yeah, it's unnerving. It's amazing how dogs can pick up on it. You know what I mean? Yeah. They got better senses than I do. Yeah. If you ever decide to go back there, let me know. I'd be real careful going back up there. You know what I mean? Yeah, especially after what the researcher went up there and found. That was That was interesting. After he contacted me about it, and you found that footprint in the mud,

fair footprint in the mud there. Yeah, interesting. And for the audience, kind of explain that because I know what you're talking about, but they don't. Okay, so I'm on the Pennsylvania Hiking Group, and somebody a while back asked about their Bigfoot experiences in Pennsylvania, why?

Posted my experience about that particular event. And George Workman contacted me, via messenger and asked me about it and I told them where it was and so he went up the same trail about the same area that I had my experience and he found a barefoot human-like footprint in the mud and not much bigger than regular persons and a bunch of overturn large overturn rocks that would take quite a bit of work for a regular person of overturn looking like it had been something have been forging for something under the rocks. Interesting.

Did he send you a picture of the footprint? He did send me a picture of the footprint and a tissue next to it for size comparison. Yes. How big was it? From the way the picture looked, it probably was, I'd probably say it was a men's size 13 shoe type size. It didn't look. large. But the area where it was located, the trail is really rocky and there's a lot of broken branches and sharp things that could easily poke you in the foot. And this was probably

three-quarters or a mile up this trail. And in the around February, there was snow melt still on the ground, so it wouldn't make sense for somebody to be walking barefoot up there, especially stepping into an ice-cold muddy, what used to be a mud puddle. Yeah, it really does make no sense. It's fascinating to have accounts like this. You know, a lot of people, a lot of people have encounters where they don't see it, but they're, you know, like you were paced out. Something screamed, something hit a tree.

And I think a lot of people try to make sense of what was going on. I know you've listened to the show. what's kind of your your thoughts as far as what Sasquatch is? I've thought about this question for years, and the best thing I can come up with that makes sense to me is that it's a some type of relic hominid that just has didn't do well with modern humans in the past and doesn't want anything to do with modern humans now, and it just tries to stay away from as much as possible. Yeah, it's bizarre that they're on trails, though.

You know, that a lot of people, it sounds like a trail, lot of people would probably walk probably more in the summertime than when you went up. But it's bizarre they would be around that area. You know, they seem to live kind of on the outskirts of humanity for the most part. You know, they're not too far away. Yeah. Yeah, I completely understand. Well, where I was, was a state forest as well.

So there's a lot of forested area up there where I'm sure they could stay hidden pretty well. No doubt. We'll be careful in those. walks, man, if you ever take your dog back out. And go ahead. One of these days, I'll probably go back up there, but I'll try to see if there's other people with the trailhead when I do. So I'm not up there by myself this time.

Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. We'll be safe if you do decide to go back. And I appreciate coming on and sharing it, man, very much. Oh, yeah, you're welcome, Wes. I want to welcome Matt to the show. Matt, I know you're driving truck. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on.

Welcome to the show, man. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having. How are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Thanks so much for asking. And thank you again for being here. And I know you had a strange encounter. When he had sent me your email, you know, you were so unsure of what you had saw because when you were driving past it, it had red eyes. If you would, and I know it was just a real quick glimpse at seeing this thing as you were driving by,

if you would, I know this happened in Pennsylvania. Can you just kind of tell us what you were doing and what did you see? All right. Well, I had picked up a load before the sighting. It's somewhere south of State College, but I don't remember it because it's the only time I was ever at that location. And I haven't been there since. But I was taking back roads to make my way back up to 80 because I was heading back to Scranton with that load. So I've tried, I don't know how many times, I think I told you yesterday.

I can't live from you figure out exactly where I was at. But I had made a turn on to, I don't know if it was the same state route that just turned or if it was another route that I had turned on to. But I started going up a slight incline, and there's a bank on the right-hand side that's about, I'm guessing somewhere around 10 feet elevated off the surface of the road. And in my peripheral vision, I have pretty decent peripheral vision. And I noticed this thing right away. And I recognized exactly what it was right away, too.

I got such an adrenaline dump. It was crazy. I did not see it moving at all. It was just standing there watching traffic. And I had some four with, well, cars behind me. So I don't know if it was not fixed it. I don't want to be on another. But it was just watching.

It looks like it's just watching the road. and was standing just outside the tree line at the top of this bank that was on the side. As I was looking at, I got almost immediately drawn to its eyes because they weren't glowing, but they were extremely bright red. Like it really stood out. And when I first noticed that it was probably, now, I'm just guessing, just throwing out my best guesses on measurements, because obviously I was unable to out there, and run a tape measure on it.

But I'm guessing it was probably about 100 feet away when I first noticed it. And as I was passing it, because I didn't stop because I knew I had traffic behind me. But at the closest point as I was passing, it was probably only, I would guess, maybe 30, 40 feet away. But, yeah, it just was standing there watching traffic. And I did not see it move at all.

And after I passed it, and this was before I started listening. to the show. So when I noticed the red eyes, I started wondering if it was even real or not, because I had never heard of them having red eyes before, before I started listening to the show. So I was trying to figure out whether it was real. It was definitely, it was three-dimensional. It's not like it was a cutout or anything. And it was, if I had to guess, I'd probably put it at six and a half and seven foot tall. It's bizarre, isn't it? I mean, you hear a council, all the time where they sit and watch traffic and you would think for such an elusive animal that they wouldn't do that. But it happens a lot. A lot of people see them from the side of the road.

Was there anything about it that stood out to you besides the red eyes? Not specifically. I mean, it may sound strange, but I don't think I can really describe the face or its features that well because I was just fixated on his eyes. I mean, like, I'm guessing its shoulders was probably about three. I wouldn't say more than three and a half feet wide. And his waist was narrow, much more narrow than its shoulders. But it didn't make it look goofy. It was just noticeably more narrow.

And it was like a kind of like a Carhart tan or brown color, like a light, light brown. Yeah, it's amazing, man, especially. I love truck drivers because truck drivers see a lot of bizarre things you and I talked about. They see a lot of weird things on the road and a lot of truck drivers see these things. And it's generally, I've heard from a lot of truck drivers that have the almost identical encounter like you do. They passed it and they weren't sure. It really wasn't moving. It was just standing there watching traffic.

And I've heard that so many times. Did it affect you at all or did you want to go back? I can't imagine there's a place to pull over a big rig out there, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, I mean, it's just a two-lane road and no shoulder at all. I mean, I would love to, I mean, regardless, it was being traffic behind me or not, like, now I think about it, I wish I had just stopped. Just to, because I had probably three to four second total window time in which I was able to see it as I was driving up the road. it didn't really affect me as far as like being any sort of major traumatic

experience because again I was debating whether it was real or not because those eyes really threw me off not you know not knowing any better at the time yeah and I could see that you know thinking that some you know some doll up there or something with red eyes because red eyes really doesn't make any sense for a primate you know I mean we have the red eyes

but it's a camera giving that off from a flash. I mean, we don't walk around with red eyes. But these things do have red eyes. I could see why you would be focused on this thing. What do you think that they are, Matt? What do you think that this creature is after listening to the show and then getting a glimpse of what you saw, what's kind of your gut tell you?

Well, like you said, from listening to the show, I've kind of come up with, I guess, my own idea, which I'm not stuck to. I mean, I'm open to being wrong. I have no problem with that. But from all the different things that I've heard, there's so many accounts of their behaviors that seem very animalistic, very, I don't know if you want to use the word natural or not,

because I don't know if these things are natural. But, I mean, I kind of lean towards the fact that they are probably a, either a giant ape or some sort of hominid that has yet to be recognized but as far as the so-called woo stuff goes now this is just some goofy theory that I came up with but

it could be whether you want to call it demons or inter dimensions or aliens I don't know it could be something trying to mimic these creatures because they're large intimidating strong creatures from what I understand. So if it's something that is interdimensional or whatever,

could be trying to mimic that because it's a good way to scale the hell out of somebody. Yeah, I don't think that's a crazy idea at all. I've actually thought about that to myself. You know, is it something else mimicking these things? Is it something else pretending to be these things, you know? Yeah. But it's hard to pass off some of the weird stuff.

You know, I don't have an answer for what Sasquatch let alone half the weird stuff that goes on. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Anybody called himself an expert's... Delusional. Yeah, because there's no such thing as an expert, especially in something like this.

Yeah. No, it is. It's... I love the account, though, especially that's the account I'd want in a big truck that if it steps in front of it, it's probably... You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah. You're basically in a tank going down the road. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I mean, I've thought about it plenty of times, and I would love to have another encounter like that, though. I mean, I like being out in the woods.

I'm a hunter, although I haven't had much time for the past few years, but I still love to be in the woods, and I don't want to meet one on foot. But if I can see one again through the cat, you know, being in this truck, especially moving. I want to see it moving, just to get an idea of like the body movements and whatever else. I don't really know, but I'm not afraid to see him again.

again, as long as I'm in the truck. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. Well, I appreciate it, man. I appreciate coming on and sharing it. Was that probably the most bizarre thing you've seen out driving truck? Well, I have seen something else. I have no idea what the hell it was, and I can't find it on the internet anywhere.

What was it? I'm curious. What happened? This happened back in the summer of 2008. I don't remember the exact month. It was either June or July. And I started driving truck in 2007, and I was OTR from 2007 through 2008. And, well, OTR is over the road in case anybody doesn't know.

And I was heading east on I-10, and I had crossed into New Mexico from Arizona. I don't remember exactly how long, somewhere about half hour to an hour previous. But it was probably like 3 o'clock in the morning, because I was driving teams of my father actually at the time. And I was used to being up at night because I had worked third shift for years beforehand. So I would drive at night. And I don't remember being a lot of traffic around me at that hour. But I see coming from, which would be my left-hand sides, coming from the south,

heading towards the north, there's this thing. It's about three feet long flying through the air. And not like a craft or anything. It was, it looked very organic like it was a living animal. But its wings, as they were flapping on the side, I don't know if you've ever seen, you could probably look it up on YouTube, how a squid, the way they swim, the fins that are on the side of their long heads, just, it's kind of like a wave. That's exactly how the wings were going on its side. And I had a side view of it, so I could see the other side on how the other wings, I mean, but I would imagine it'd be about the same. same. But it just probably 70 or so feet in front of the truck probably about 20 feet off the ground.

My headlights illuminated because it was white. And it just stayed on a, you know, a level flight path. Like it wasn't diving down or climbing or anything. But went just straight across the road and it just disappeared into the dark off to the north. And I cannot figure out what that was. I tried thinking maybe it was like a garbage bag or something like that, but the way it was moving, I mean, the whole, if it was a garbage bag or something, the whole thing would have been whipping in the wind, but this thing just the sides of these skinny wings that were almost the whole length of its body were just moving in this like a wavelength-looking movement. It was really weird.

I still have to this day figure out what it is. I've never heard of it before. Yeah, that is strange. When you first started talking, I was thinking the rods, you know, people talk about. the rods. Yeah. They're kind of like an orb, but just stretched out more like a rod. Yeah.

But this thing had wings, huh? Yeah. I mean, from what I could tell, again, it was a straight side view of it. So I couldn't, I can't have no idea to tell how long they would have been. But it was just the movement of those wings, which is extremely weird. It looked like it should have been in the water the way it was moving instead of out in the air. is you know how birds usually have to flap their wings a good distance

for however long their wing is to get the momentum to keep themselves up off the ground and moving. This thing is just like a wavelength. I don't even know how to explain it. It's weird. Was it lit up? I mean, was it illuminating or was it? No, it was not illuminated at all.

I mean, it's the only time it was illuminated when my headlights hit it as it came in front of the truck. Yeah, that is bizarre. And so it was forgive me, I'm a little slow. So it was stretched out more like an eel, but it had these weird wings. Is that kind of what it looked like? Yeah, you could probably say it that way too, yeah.

But again, I have no idea how long off the body those wings extended because I didn't have that good of a view of it except for just a straight-on-side shot view. Yeah, that's strange, man. That's really bizarre. I'm really not sure what it could have been. Yeah, that was crazy. especially the way you described the wings

were they like vibrating kind of like you were saying underwater yeah I mean like if the best thing I could think is like I said if you like go on YouTube and watch a look of a video of a squid swimming and just watch these

really thin I think they're almost transparent type fins or wings that are on the side of its long head the way they move is exactly what it looked like for the hand for me angle I had on.

Yeah, that's bizarre, man. That's really bizarre. Has anything else, have you seen anything else while out there driving, like, over the road? Every once in my I have seen, like, weird lights in the sky. You can't really explain, but it's not enough of something that you can really seriously question. You know what I mean? I don't know if that makes any sense, but no, I did see a, as defined UFO once, but that

was when I was the 13, which was pretty weird. And was that in your yard, or where did you see it? Yeah, I was actually outside in the yard of my youngest brother, who was only three at the time, because I'm 10 years older than him. And it wasn't like an actual, like a solid craft that I can see. What it was was just a single ball of light in the air. But it was just bouncing around like crazy. Almost kind of like, if you ever see like a fruit flyer, a. the way they fly all just spasically like their own LSD or something.

Yeah. I mean, that's exactly what it was doing, but it was going extremely fast. And I have no real way of guessing how high in the air it was. If I had to guess, it was over 10,000 feet. It was good ways up. But it was just like a fair distance every time I'd move in one direction, but it would just ricochet, but back and forth all over the place. And then it just shot off.

It did it for probably about four seconds on, guessing, and then just shot off in whatever direction that was so fast that it almost looked like the light had stretched and has disappeared. Yeah, that's strange. It's very strange. A lot of people describe UFOs as balls of light. A lot of eyewitnesses I talked to, not the balls of light I talk about it in the forest, but in the sky being larger balls of light.

And a lot of people have a hard time trying to describe a shape to it. It's more or less a light. Very, very strange. and I love truck drivers. You know, they always have some of the best encounters, some of the best stories when they're out there driving. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. I know you're working right now,

and I appreciate you taking a moment to come on and share what happened to you. No, I mean, it's no problem. I appreciate you, you know, taking the time to at least hear my story. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks again, Matt. Hey, no problem. And that's it for tonight.

Everyone will remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone.