Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:679 The Murderers Creek Incident

Episode Date: August 9, 2020

Murderer's Creek, Oregon was named in the 1860s, or so the story goes, after a party of eight prospectors who were exploring its banks were murdered. On tonight's show a group of hunters have a couple of run ins with a creature who has been watching them.   Check out Justin's wife's podcast: The February Room The fly tying vise is like a campfire...bust one out, sit back, and listen to the stories unfold. Our vise is located in the "February Room", a Montana basement where the juices flow, and wild and wooly experiences are recounted. Hosted by Lauren Karnopp.

Oregon was officially admitted to the Union as a state on February 14, 1859. Just 54 years earlier, Lewis and Clark had made their way through the Oregon Territory. For many years, there had been a flood of settlers coming to Oregon via the Oregon Trail, but now officially becoming a state, more and more people were making their way to Oregon. Most of the people coming to Oregon were looking for a better life. But with an influx of people, you also get murderers, thieves, and your average scumbag. On February 8, 1862, Andrew Pate and George Lamb made their way up the banks of what was called back then Fisher's Creek, also known as Powell Creek, by the nearby settlement. Andrew Pate and George Lamb had been riding for most of the day.

Andrew had a hidden agenda. He thought George Lamb had $100 on him. That's equivalent to about $2,500 today. As the men made their way up the creek, they stopped. George dismounted from his horse and Andrew murdered him. After killing George, Andrew took George's body and threw it in the creek. George didn't have the $100. on him. Andrew was later captured. The locals were outraged.

Yeah! Yeah! They wanted justice. Andrew would later be tried, sentenced, and hung. He would be the first man to be hanged in Lynn County. Not even one year later, eight prospectors who were exploring the banks of the stream were found murdered. The prospectors, the prospectors had set up camp by the stream. They had gone to bed with their heads close under the high rim rock. A band of Native American warriors had found the prospectors. Not happy with their new neighbors, the Native Americans threw rocks and forced large boulders

to fall onto the prospectors while they slept. The natives had killed everyone, except for one man who got away. And as he was fleeing off into the night, the natives had shot arrows into him. His body was later found, along with a note, explaining what had happened. Over the years, many people have been murdered and their bodies have been discarded into the creek. Today, the creek is officially called Murderer's Creek. A lot has changed in 161 years. The chances of being murdered and thrown into the creek,

are very slim today. Even though the landscape looks the same as it did 161 years ago, it's a very different place. Locals today will tell you it's a great place. Couples, individuals, go up there for bird watching. It's a great place to explore local trails and one of the best places to go hunting. Over the last 161 years, there have been many reports of people seeing wild men in this area. Most of the early reports were overshadowed by all of the killing that was going on. Today it's rare to hear of anyone being murdered up there.

But what hasn't changed is there's still many reports of wild men being seen in this area. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

It sounded like a language, and they were chumpering away, back and forward, back and forwards, back and forward. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. Magid 1. What are you reporting? Jesus, come. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-uh.

This is Cassidy. And you're listening to Sass Watch Conocoose supports West German. The only man my mother loves more than her own husband. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. A little background, if you're not from Oregon, about Murderers Creek. It really is a beautiful area. A lot of people go hunting up there. And a lot of hikers actually, too, as well.

And I've had a lot of different reports of Sasquatch in that area. Tonight, we're going to be chatting with Justin. And Justin's going to be sharing three separate incidences he had at Murderers Creek. And wait until you hear the behavior of the Sasquatch. Very fascinating stuff. A few things I had not heard before. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Justin to the show. Justin, thanks for coming on. You bet, Wes. Glad to be here, man. Listen to you for a long time. I've been tentative about telling this story for years, but I think there's valuable lessons to be learned in these encounters.

So I think our best MO is to share them. Yeah, and I appreciate you sharing it. It's fascinating, you know, before we went on the air, you and I were talking. And I said, God, I had another woman contact me from that area. And she was talking about her encounter with Murderers Creek. I hope she comes on the show, but I remember when I was talking to her, I thought, I wonder if she was actually with Justin during this encounter. But if you would, let's walk into what happened to you. Will you tell us kind of what you were doing and what happened?

So it was the fall of 1996. And at the time, I grew up in Bend, Oregon. And a buddy of mine and I, we went bow hunting out near John Day. we had like a whole week off so you know we set up a we set up a good camp and and had everything dialed and we were going to bow hunt mule deer and i was the only one that had a tag so my buddy was just kind of along for the ride he actually grew up in john day and knew the area well and and knew you know a lot of people in the area so uh to get into this encounter um we'd been hunting for a day or two I think. One evening, my friend's cousin came up from town with his girlfriend and a friend of his

and that guy's girlfriend too. So that's why I'm not sure who this other person is that you referenced because it could have been one of those gals. This was 25 years ago. So I don't really remember everybody's name. I know my buddy's cousin's name. But anyway, they came up to camp and, you know, we made a nice dinner and we were all sitting around the fire, telling stories and stuff. And about 10 o'clock, they left and drove back into John Day. And my friend and I were just, you know, wrapping up camp, doing dishes, getting ready for bed. We had my dog with me. She was a Brittany, a really smart dog, you know, tuned into the woods.

woods for sure, kind of a pain in the butt, kind of one of those dogs. She was a bird hunter, but, you know, you'd take her out, and she'd always get into something, man. She'd been attacked by all sorts of wild animals, and you just never knew with her. Sometimes she'd be gone for 36 hours, and then she'd stumble back into camp or whatever, back on the river. And anyway, So we were getting ready to climb in the tent, and we heard this sound that came from across the logging road up on the ridge to our north, probably only a half a mile away at most. And it was just this terrifying, you know, scream, howl change octaves. it went on for a long time and uh and you know the two of us just stared at each other and and uh my dog was you know cowering in the tent which she never did and you know it wasn't a it wasn't a

cougar it wasn't a screech owl it wasn't any of that stuff we i know what all those animals sound like i spent a lot of time in the woods and and and so as my friend of course being a logger and a hunter and um yeah it was just it was a inexplainable sound and uh so my friend and i we we got our we were bow hunting but you know we had some shotguns for grouse and stuff and so we got our shotguns and we uh put them in the tent and uh we pretty much stayed up till i don't know three or four in the morning maybe we knotted off um i want to ask you real quick uh jesson what is there anything you'd compare the the the noise ways that you heard too? I mean, have you looked online or is there anything you could compare

what you heard? You know, not really. Like I've listened to those Ohio sounds and stuff. And no, this was just, it was a, it was really a violent, violent sound. It was, I can't liken it to anything that's not, you know, it wouldn't be PC of me to even compare it to anything. It was, it was a really gnarly, freaky sound. I never heard. Hunters in general know a sound, you know, that's a bobcat, that's a cougar, that's a coyote, that's a fox, which all those animals make bizarre sounds. So you guys go in the tent. Did you have any idea what it was? I mean, did you guys have any sort of conversation? Yeah, we did. We did. I mean, we definitely, you know, came to the conclusion. Hey, man, you know, we grew up out there and, you know, we knew fishermen from the coast. and we knew, you know, loggers. And obviously when you grew up in the Pacific Northwest,

you grew up hearing about stories, you know, hearing Sasquatch stories. And so it was something that I had already, I believed in Sasquatch well before this happened, for sure. I knew too many people that had experiences that were legitimate people and, you know, had no reason to lie to anybody about it. So, yeah, I mean, we definitely came to the conclusion, And like, well, that kid, we ruled everything else out.

And, you know, I think we probably came to the conclusion that, yeah, that was most likely a Sasquatch that we just heard scream. Yeah, I don't blame me for loading the shotgun. I probably would have two. So it's three o'clock. You guys nod off. What happens next? So really nothing. The rest of that, we stayed there and finished off our hunt.

I believe I killed a deer and that was that was that for that experience there you know I don't know we it's funny how you know two guys can get to chewing the fat on the road for a couple days and you can kind of rule it all out right like oh man it probably wasn't that it was probably

who knows what it was maybe it was somebody playing a prank on us out in the middle of nowhere I don't know you know but I don't know. I guess we had kind of over the course of a couple days convinced ourselves that we didn't need to be scared and we could just kind of do our thing. So that's what we did. I hear you. And I know you had two other encounters. Was it in the same area? Same camp. So the following spring, the girl that I was dating at the time, and this was in my early 20s. I think I was 21. I'm 45 now. So she came with us and it was my same friend Joe and her and I and we just went out there to go, you know, kind of scratch the cabin fever off. And it was a nice like April or May weekend in central Oregon. So we were going to go camp and go poke around in the woods for a couple days. It's funny because the same guy and my buddy's cousin from John Day. And his girlfriend came up again for dinner one night, maybe the second or third night in camp or something.

And just kind of like the same story all over again. They, you know, stayed, had dinner. My girlfriend actually was asleep. She slept through everything. She was tired and had been, you know, in the tent sleeping since probably three or four in the afternoon. So the rest of us were up and having dinner and chatting around the campfire. And then those guys took off. and headed back into John Day.

And my girlfriend got up to help me do the dishes and clean up camp and everything. And my friend went and walked outside of camp to go relieve himself. And we heard him empty his handgun. He had a 22 revolver and it, like he fanned it. Like it was, you know, I mean, you've fanned a revolver before. And like, bam, bam, bam, bam.

I'm like, whoa, why is Joe fanning? his revolver. So he comes back into camp. He's like, hey, this big animal just jumped out of the creek bed and it's running across the road right now. And my girlfriend, who grew up on the coast, and when she was a little girl, she had had kind of a weird experience in the woods herself. But anyway, she ran out to the road and I grabbed, I had a, I had a, really bright, you know, light in my truck, like a, you know, little spotlight thing that we always used for finding camp spots and, you know, getting people back out of the woods. Oftentimes we'd shoot an elk or whatever late in the afternoon and be in some dark canyon.

And this is before GPSs and stuff, kind of. So, you know, you'd go find people and get them back to camp sometimes just based on the power of a spotlight. So I grabbed the spotlight. plug it in and and we get the animal in the light and I mean that's

bright as day it it just cleared the road when I got it and it ran up on the hillside and it was just paralleling our camp just running so fast across this hillside this you know

sparsely I don't know I mean I'd call it sparsely timbered had been thinned out a little bit and it was just moving so quickly and it you know it rarely took its eyes off of us which really crazy to be able to move that fast through the woods and not even watch where you're going yeah but that's what it did that's what it did and uh yeah it was uh it was unbelievable how how how how quick that thing moved through the woods can you kind of describe what you saw So, I mean, when I first got it in the spotlight,

and I should tell you that my girlfriend came back into camp and said that it was whistling at her. So then she's with me, and we're all, and then Joe's there, we're all watching it run across the hillside. You know, I guess it looked like an Olympic athlete in all, I don't know, a dark suit, all black spandex or something. um it its eyes were reflective but they looked just like uh the reflective eyes of an elk or a deer or rabbit or something they weren't red or you know any other any other color really they were

just reflective and yeah it just it moved so fast and with such agility and was you know i've been up on that hillside we went up there the next morning and i'd walk that hillside before but just went to go kind of follow the path that it took there's stumps and rocks and all sorts of shit in there. Excuse my French, but like how an animal could move that fast in that kind of terrain and not even really ever take its eyes off of us. It's just mind-blowing. I even, I don't know.

It was unbelievable the way the thing moved. Yeah. No, they are. They have a weird way of moving. Was it on two legs a whole time? Yeah. Yeah. So my buddy, when he said it jumped out of the crick bed, you know, I can't say that it, he said it was upright, right? It was right in front of him, very close. But yeah, he said it was on two legs right out of the gate. And it was always on two legs when we saw it. And let me ask you, Justin. So when you hit it with the light, how far, I realize it's paralleling and kind of running and you're trying to capture it with the spotlight. How far away from you was it?

probably 200 yards. Jeez. I'm surprised you guys went up to follow it. What was it the next day, he said? You went up there to see where it was running? Yeah, in the morning, we found a single track, right where Joe had encountered it in the crick bed. I laid down my leatherman tool.

It was 10 inches long and 6 inches wide, and it was just the front part of the foot. So it had jumped up this embankment, but it was, you know, embedded in the clay soil about a quarter inch or so. And I weigh over 200 and I was jumping up and down with my heel and I couldn't even make an indentation in that in that soil in the substrate. And I don't know. Like I guess originally I thought that maybe the way it had jumped, it just used the front part of its foot like, you know, you or I would if we were going to jump up a steep embankment. I don't know. I guess having read more on the subject than everything, it could have been just the fact that it was exhibiting a mid-tarsal break. I'm not sure.

Yeah, it's a fascinating account, especially whistling at your girlfriend. Yeah. And then Joe, did you got, was anyone able to kind of see its face? No, maybe, no. I mean, maybe my ex-girlfriend kind of did. She got pretty close to it. but we never had that conversation and yeah i haven't talked to her in a long time yeah no i hear yeah plus you're hitting it with the spotlight so um i mean you mentioned the eyes reflecting uh that

that's spooky man i mean what what was going through your head when after that experience i mean did anyone sleep that night or was it pretty much everyone was up all night yeah everyone was up all night that night for sure. My dog, the same dog, was with us. And we all just kind of huddled up in the tent. There was some talk of maybe we should get out of there. But we didn't. We wrote it out. You know, if I'd have been there alone, I definitely would have left. But would you have a couple other people with you? You know, I guess we figured we were okay. So. Yeah, watching them move is it almost looks. I don't know if this is the right word to use, but I've used it before.

It almost looks fake when you see how they move. It's almost like, am I really seeing this because it's so quick? And you're right. I mean, if it's keeping its eyes on you guys a whole time and it's running at full speed, it's shocking that they don't trip, fall, stumble. It seems almost impossible, don't you think? Yeah, it is impossible. Yeah, it really puts things into perspective how gangly and weak.

we are out there walking around in the woods as humans. Yeah, no doubt. Did anything else happen on that trip? I mean, after it, so if it leaves, you guys go, you guys find tracks. Did anything else happen on that trip? Nope, not on that trip. And I think we left the next day. I got you.

Yeah. Just, but I believe that the weekend was over. I don't know that we, I mean, we were definitely scared, you know. but it wasn't uh i don't know i guess uh being 21 are you really afraid of anything like if that happened to me now i'd be like yeah we are out of here but uh i guess you know youthful exuberance and um safety and numbers so no nothing else happened on that trip um however the following fall we went back to the same camp my friend joe and I, and three of our buddies joined us. So there's five of us in camp. Opening day, it was super hot

that year. Opening day of archery, I shot a buck, and it was, you know, mid-90s. So we got it back to camp as quickly as we could. And I just started butchering it right away so I could get all the meat on ice and in the cooler. And so I cut it all up. up and then I took the carcass and that year the meat bees, the yellow jackets were unbelievable, unreal how many there were. I've never seen anything like it. So the yellow jackets were swarming me while I'm cutting it. I don't know how many times I got stung a lot. So I took the carcass across the creek and I hung it up in this little grove of trees and I roped it up and I slung it probably. I mean it was out of my reach. So, you know, I don't know, nine feet off the ground.

And we went back that evening. We had some dinner and we were kicking around. And same kind of time of night, like right after 10 o'clock, right when we're kind of winding down, we hear this animal walk. We hear these footfalls coming down the hill across from us, other side. So this is not across the logging road that's to our north, but it's in the timber. It's to the south of us. And that timbered face goes all the way for miles and miles and miles back there into the Murder's Creek unit.

We hear these footfalls. We hear this animal in the grove. He finds the carcass. We're all sitting there listening to it. It's making some odd sounds, you know, grunts and snorts and like, oh, God. And so, you know, our friends that, a few of our close friends we had shared our experience with. And, you know, I don't know. You know how it is.

like people aren't going to believe you until they actually see something or um at any rate uh so our friends are all just sitting there like oh my god is this really happening like this is actually there's actually a freaking saskwatch in our camp right now like this is insane are these guys i don't know they were just like whoa and so uh we unloaded some guns in the air And it wasn't easy to scare it off. It didn't run away, like, you know, after the first salvo. It took several rounds for it to run off, and we could hear it run off. And so then we all went over.

We crossed the correct single file, you know, shotguns, flashlights in hand, and went over there, and the carcass was on the ground. So we hung it up higher up the tree, like higher up between the grove of trees. So it was, man, 11 or 12 feet off the ground probably. And we went back to camp and not five minutes later, that thing ran back down there and it got it out of the tree again. And we scared it off the second time. And we went back over there and then we hung it as high as we possibly could. And we went back to camp and it came down and it got it again.

And that time we just sat there and listened to it. And it just did its thing. And I don't know how long we listened to it a while. and then it took off. It just walked off. And then the next, well, one of our buddies got in his truck and left and moved to Alaska. And I've not even spoken to him since. He was a good close friend of ours.

So did they eat the whole carcass or did you guys go back and check it the next morning? In the morning, we went and checked it. The thing that stood out was, you know, most of the meat had all been, obviously, I'd cut most of the meat off all the bones, the scratch. and stuff were still there. The stuff you can't get off with a filet knife. But what struck me was the rib meat was all pulled away. The meat in between the ribs, which is really like you could never, in a million,

there's not a man on earth that could pull that out of there. And that was all stripped away. It looked like somebody took a filet knife and went in there and cut it all out. But it was, it pulled that rib meat, which is the, grip strength to do that. It's crazy, man. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's hard to get it out with the knife. You know what I mean? Yeah, it is. Yeah, that's strange. What, what, why do you think, I mean, so I'm trying to figure out what, what's kind of going through your guys's heads. You know, when you're young, though, it's different. I think if I was 21, I probably would have

the same thing you guys did. Now, you'd never, I'd been like, it can have it. You know, I'd leave, I would just let it have it. But what made you kind of keep going back and hanging out? higher, just wanting the elk and hoping this thing would scare off? Well, no, I mean, the deer was, the deer was butchered. It was just the carcass. I think we were just trying to scare it away so it would leave us alone. Oh, I got you. I gotcha. It was just a carcass. You guys had already, you'd pack the meat away. No, all the meat was in the cooler. Yeah, it was just a carcass. No, we're just trying to scare the thing off. Yeah. So it wouldn't, so it wouldn't attack us. Yeah, it's strange though. You know,

off shots. And I've said it before, I don't think gunfire scares these things off. I really don't think. Oh, is that right? Yeah, I don't think it bothers them as much as people think. Well, I didn't bother that one, man. It was not, it wasn't. Yeah, it didn't seem to scare it at all. Just got bored with it, I think. I don't know. The creepy part is, you know, was sitting there watching you. It didn't really scare off. It probably sat and watched you guys re-hang it, wait for you guys to leave and then went back to grab it. That's a spooky part. Absolutely it did for sure. Yep, that is the spooky part. What was some of the noises you were hearing? Oh, man, it was just like deep gut, like almost like a big, like if you ever heard, like a wild boar pig eat, like a carcass or something. And it makes like all those weird grunts and kind of squeals. And I don't know. That's as close as I could connect it to anything.

I mean, obviously, it's not like anything we've ever heard before, but yeah, it was weird. I mean, grunting and snorting and I don't know. Like, that was its sound of feeding or if it was like trying to intimidate us or what, who knows? Yeah. It's like a fat guy at a buffet, man. Yeah. There you go. That's what it sounded like.

Yeah, it sounded like, yeah, a fat guy at Golden Corral. Yeah. I want to ask you, was a good thing? gut pile in that same area and did it take it or I'm just kind of curious about the gut pile. No, the gut pile was up in the mountains. I gutted the deer when I shot it and then brought, you know, all the meat and everything into camp. Yeah. I don't imagine it's especially being 90 degrees, man. You got to move, we got to move fast on something like that. Yeah, got to move quickly. Do you think it was watching you guys? Do you think it watched you guys take down? I know it's speculating. and obviously you don't know either way,

but it really makes me wonder if it had watched you kill that deer and then had been sitting watching you the whole time. No, because I shot the deer miles and miles away from camp in the heat of the day. So I guess my take on it now is that there were so many deer up and down that road in those years that I think that those, there were saskwatches hunting them off the road at night.

You know, then maybe it had picked us out as a camp that had some deer and was just kind of looking for an easy meal. I mean, that's the, right? That's the, yeah, they're opportunities. That's the most, yeah, that's the most natural, easiest conclusion. Yeah. Did you guys ever, did you ever go back to that after? this last experience, you ever go back to that area? Never.

Never been back there, man. I don't blame you. No, I mean, I would. I would. I mean, I wouldn't go probably camp there at night, but I'd like to go put eyes on it in the daytime and see what it looks like. But, yeah, I'd like to go back to that spot. So I'd love to go back with my friends that I was with.

I'd love to go back there with my buddy Joe and just go put eyes on it and kind of, you know, put all the pieces back together in your mind just location-wise. Yeah, the other part that fascinates me is it didn't really seem to shake you up too much. You know, a lot of times when hunters run in and have experience and run-ins with these creatures, a lot of times they quit hunting. Do you think maybe it was just being young or why do you think? it didn't really shake you up a whole lot. Well, it did shake me up. I didn't quit hunting. I quit, you know, I used to shoot like gophers and rabbits and coyotes and stuff.

And I've never shot any of those animals ever since I've had that experience. And now I only just hunt what I'm going to eat. So it totally shifted my psyche in the way that I look at the natural world and the way that I, approach, you know, nature and the way that I hunt. So it definitely shook me up. In a good way, though, in a positive way. You know, I mean, to each his own, but, you know, for me, I guess what I took away from it was that maybe I was doing something wrong. And maybe the guardian of the forest paid me a visit and kind of, you know, knocked me on the head and said, hey, cut it out.

So that's what I took away from it. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. It really is a fascinating account, though. And I've been getting a lot of reports from that area, you know, that Murderers Creek. What are they called the Howler at Murderer's Creek, I think, is what, if you look it up online. And I've done some research. There's definitely a lot of accounts there. What do you think that they are, Justin?

What do you think this creature is? Well, I guess, like I said, I think it's the guardian of the forest. I don't know, you know, from a physiological standpoint, is it an ape? Is it a giganticus? I've read Cranes's books. I've read all that stuff. You know, I don't know on that front. It'd be pure speculation. And, you know, I think kind of like you, I've kind of gravitated towards believing that there's more to this than just, and just flesh and bone, you know. And, I mean, for me, it impacted me in a way that changed the way that I, that I do a lot of things. So, you know, if I would have seen a chimpanzee in Florida and out in the wild, I don't think I would have probably altered my behavior the way that this thing impacted me.

So I don't know. Yeah. No, I understand what you mean. I mean, and you can kind of see it from your own encounter, you know, the last encounter that he had. it's obviously physical. It wanted to meet. And it was going after it like a kid you take a toy away from or something.

It just was relentless on getting it. But then on the second time you guys saw it, I mean, you saw how it moved and how it never took its eyes off of you. And it's running at such a speed. And they don't mess up. They don't trip. They don't fall. And that seems impossible to me.

You know, and I hear it a lot. I mean, you hear about the way these things jump across roads. And you're like, that seems pretty impossible. but you hear it a lot. One question I want to ask you, going back to that second encounter. So when it took off running, it didn't necessarily, like, flee like a normal animal. It ran parallel, you said. It did.

Yep, it did. Why do you think it did that? Why do you think it ran parallel? Because, you know, most animals will, when they flee, they flee. You know, I don't know. Maybe it didn't want to take its eyes off of us. I couldn't tell you. Yeah, it's strange.

I know it's all speculation. I don't know, man. I haven't ever really thought of that. Yeah, I don't know why it did what it did. Yeah, and it was really weird that it whistled at my girlfriend like that. Yeah, crazy. I didn't hear that, and Joe didn't hear that either, but she sure heard it. Yeah.

It's bizarre, man. bizarre. I really appreciate you sharing it. It's, it's you know, you hear about them whistling and you can listen to recordings of them whistling and, you know, for it to whistle at your girlfriend, you know, we as

humans, we'd probably look at that differently than what they're, you know, what, whatever they're trying to communicate. Right. The fact that it didn't scream or roar or anything, how it did that weird whistle at your girlfriend. It's bizarre, man. Yeah, it really is. And, I mean,

was really close to us and had been watching us obviously for a while um before you know my buddy went over and just happened to take a leak right next to it and it jumped out of the crick but it was it had to have been hunkered down listening to us the whole time for who knows how long but you know I mean what was that what was that about was it was it just waiting for um to pick up some scraps or like I don't know man it's creepy Yeah, it definitely is. I know your wife has a podcast. What's the name of the podcast?

Oh, yeah. Hers is called the February Room. And that's a reflection of, we live in Montana in the wintertime. We all hunker down in our February rooms or man caves or dans or whatever you want to call it and tell stories and swap fly patterns and talk about fishing and hunting and stuff.

So that's why it's called the February. We wear a room. But she interviews anglers and fly, you know, fly fishermen and people in the industry and get some really cool characters on there. So, yeah, she's only been doing it for a little while. We're about 20 episodes in. But, yeah, she loves it and puts a lot of time into it. And she's a really good editor. And it's fun, man.

It's cool. It's such a neat platform. We've listened to yours for years and years. You know, my buddies that I elk hunt with, we go into some pretty deep country in a wall tent, and there's no cell service or anything like that. So I just download a bunch of Sasquatch Chronicles before I head into camp. And you put us to bed every night, ma'am. I appreciate that.

And I appreciate you listening very much. I hope everyone out there goes and checks out the February room. Justin's wife does it. I'll throw up a link to as well, Justin. And after all these years, man, I appreciate you. taking the time to come on and share what happened to you. Awesome, Wes. It's a pleasure talking to you, man.

Keep up the strong work. Thanks, ma'am. All right, good luck. Hopefully we'll see each other one of these days. I'll probably go to Kennewick when that thing gets back on track here. Oh, yeah, the International Bigfoot Conference. I think it's going on next year. Hope to see you up there.

You bet, man. Take care of yourself. Thanks again, Justin. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me, email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Have a great weekend. Until next time, everyone.