Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:683 Terror At Caddo Lake

Episode Date: August 23, 2020

Three brothers decided to camp at Caddo Lake in Texas during the off season. The first night they were stalked and harassed by something. The following day they had a run in with a strange creature. It was a camping trip they will never forget.

You could hear something almost kind of like walking a perimeter around our camp. It was loud enough where it woke up our younger brother, and he was just like, what the hell is that? Our fire had already gone out, so it was smoldering, but it was almost like they were just almost casing us out. I had a weird gut feeling that first day when we got there that there was something watching. It just felt that way. And as I continued on this path, I kept getting that weird feeling that something. something was watching me. It went back to that same feeling on the first night.

And then I thought I heard like a branch break to my right over my shoulder. That's when I caught a glimpse of something. And that's when I was like, oh God, what the hell was that? It was almost like it was trying to intimidate us. And it had his arms draped around two trees. and it was rocking back and forth. And it was almost like rocking like it was agitated. It looked like somebody was bent over

and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelled me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. And that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost. as if it was gliding across the beach.

I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. Magid, what are you reporting? Now, sir. That's sort of a bitch is about six foot nine, huh? I don't know.

Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-uh. This is Daniel to the Jay Malin, reping Cleveland, Ohio, and you're listening to The Sasquatch Crampers. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show planned for you tonight. Terra Cattle Lake. We're going to be chatting with Jason and Brian. There are two brothers that decided to go camping out there during the off season. There was actually three brothers, but we're just chatting with Jason and Brian. Brian tonight. And they had a very scary encounter out there while camping, being stalked kind of the night before, something harassing them, and then the following day running into the creature.

Very scary stuff. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome the two brothers to the show. Jason, thanks for coming on, man. Yes, sir. Thank you, Wes. Yeah, and I also want to welcome Brian

to the show. Brian, thanks so much for being here, ma'am. I appreciate it, Wes. Glad to be here. Yeah, I'm glad to have you guys on. And I know this encounter took place 10 years ago or so, 11 years ago, down there in Texas. And I think we're going to start with Brian. Brian, do you want to kind of tell us what you guys

we're doing and we'll kind of go back and forth and have you guys walk us into what happened. Yeah, no problem at all. Being the fact that I'm the older brother, I've always been very skeptical about Jason and his beliefs in certain things out in the woods and just everything else and always get him a lot of grief about it. And so for many years, we would go camping under the premise of looking for, you know, whatever, Sasquatch in the woods and Bigfoot and things of that nature. But I always went along with these trips and kind of act like the dad of the trip, making sure everybody was safe and fed and being, you know, as safe as possible. So I've always been very skeptical. I'm more of a realist in life that I'm not going to believe anything until I see you with my own eyes.

And I went into this trip with them with my brother. And there was another gentleman who's like a younger brother to us. We've known him all of our life as well. But it was, you know, wanted to be there having fun as brothers. At the same time, just getting out and outdoors and enjoying life. And we went out to Cadillake State Park is where we set up our camp. And we usually like to camp on our summer trips during the week when there's not anybody. around the weekends and little to our knowledge when we got up to Caddo Lakes just south

to Texas Arcana on the Texas Louisiana border there was really nobody there at all it was like we were the only people that checked in on Monday and that's the way it was up until we went to leave on Thursday it's like we were the only people in the entire campgrounds which we used as our base camp this camp there and go about our searches and stuff and I had a moment and I'm kind of sitting here just crazy thinking about it, that I did see something in the woods, one of the afternoons. Yeah, before we get into that, and I love the fact that you were skeptical. Jason, so you get up to Cadill Lake and then kind of what happens from there?

So it kind of struck me odd, and when we first got there and we got to the state park and everything, you know, we'd met the little lady at the little check-in thing and everything was fine. And then when we got to the, she basically thought us we could pick any campsite we wanted to because we were the only ones there through like Wednesday or Thursday. So we kind of drove around, you know, riding with, you know, Ryan and stuff.

And we finally found one that was kind of like out of the way. And it was, you know, it was a nice little section of like force and stuff like that. So we were sitting there unpacking and everything. and one of the park rangers was riding by, and he kind of stopped and got out, and me and Craig, our younger brother, we went out there to meet him while, you know, we made Brian put up the tent

because, you know, we can't do it. We can't do anything right on these trips anyway, so we just let him do that. Well, when me and Craig were just small talking with the ranger, he's like, if y'all need anything, you know, I'm going to give you all my contact number. He's like, and I thought it kind of weird, and he said, you know, if y'all, if y'all knows anything weird or out of the ordinary, you know, don't be afraid to call me because I live a little bit off campus, you know, like out of the off the campgrounds a little bit.

And I was like, what do you mean by weird? He's like, well, we have a lot of like people that come here that experience, like weird things, like things walking around their campsites at night, things disappearing from their campsites and stuff like that. but he never got into what that really meant. I guess me, like, just kind of like researching the area and stuff like that, I kind of had a feel of what he was trying to say, but I don't think he really wanted to, like, come out and say it. He kind of, he kind of sound like halfway, like, halfway, like, maybe he knows more than what he wanted to say,

but he didn't want to come out and say, like, there's Sasquot here, you know, run for your life or nothing like that. So I kind of went back and told Brian about it, And, you know, he's, you know, like he said the dad of the trip, so he kind of just plays it off. But, you know, and I guess, I don't, Brian, Brian kind of shares the same feeling as me. Our younger brother, he's just, he's, you know, he's out there. He does his own thing. But it was like a feeling, like, I don't know, it wasn't like a normal woods feeling.

And I don't know if you've ever been to Caddo Lake, but it's just like a, it's not like a typical, like, you can hear the birds chirping and it's all happy-go-lucky, like, forest setting. It's like once you get there and you get settled, it's almost like a really eerie feeling the whole time you're there. And literally it's probably the one of the few places I've been, like when I've camped. Like, I'll never tent camp anywhere again because of what happened there. You want me going to, like, the first night what happened was?

Yeah, if you would. Okay, so, you know, we cook dinner and stuff like that, and then we kind of drove around. We tried fishing a little bit. So I want to say we came back. You know, we made our campfire stuff. And we knew there would be some storms, but we didn't think it was going to be like as bad as it turned out to be. But the first night we were there that Monday night, we got a pretty little rainstorm and stuff like that.

So we had to go into the tent. And this was probably about 1030, 10, 10, 30, 11, something like that. And we were inside the tent just, you know, hanging out, chilling and stuff like that. And, you know, you could hear like the smaller animals running around like raccoons, armadilloes and stuff like that. But I want to say we probably went to sleep probably about 1230 or something like that. And the rain had picked back up because I remember I had woke up. I thought I heard something off in the distance. And so I kind of woke up my brother, Brian, and I was like, hey, man, listen.

And you could hear something almost kind of like walking a perimeter around. our camp and I want to say it was probably a good 30 yards, 30, 40 yards away. And, you know, we're both football coaches, so you'll hear us use a yard terminology a lot with, but this thing was not like a deer walking around. This was stuff like walking heavily, breaking big branches on the ground when it was walking. I mean, it was, it was loud enough where it woke up our younger brother and he was just like, what the hell, you know, what the hell is that? And I know, like, when I watch, like, U.S.C. fights and stuff like that, I'll sit there and, like, notice my fists are clenched because I'm just, like, you know, the tension. And that's how I remember.

I remember we had our flashlights on and a tent. I told everybody to turn their lights off. It's like as soon as we turned off the lights, like, everything got quiet for, like, five minutes. And then we tried not to say nothing, and then we could hear the walking, like, start picking back up. And this walking around the tent continued for, I want to say, a little. at least from like one in the morning to at least 2.30 in the morning. At times you could hear, and I know the wind was blowing, but I don't think branches were falling off the trees that frequently.

It was almost to me like something was walking around, trying to scare the hell out of us, and not only like breaking big branches, but it almost seemed like to me like it was like ripping off the lower branches as it walked around like the area. So I guess we ended up falling asleep and like the next morning we got up and looked and you know it was so muddy everywhere like you couldn't see you couldn't see if there's any tracks or anything like that and nothing was missing in the campsite or nothing like that

so that was that was that first night where it was just like this might be for real you know and it was clarification to me because I was kind of the weird one in the group like doing all the research and stuff like that. it was kind of like an affidavit to me like, man, this might be the real deal. This might be what everybody always talks about like in this area. Yeah. So, I mean... Here at Sasquatch Chronicles, we'd call you the smart one in the group.

Brian, what did you think was going on? I mean, did you think it was just somebody screwing with you guys? Because, I mean, that's what, you know, if you don't believe in Bigfoot, I guess that's what I would... Right, right. For myself, it was in a sense that I was kind of like... when protective mode protecting my brothers you know

I was very keen on to the noise I've been hunting most of my life I've been in the woods I've been in the woods overnight hunting I've been around big hogs big boars deer and it was not the sound of a typical

you know hog or a deer or any other animal I started thinking possibly bear but no this was more of a lumbering slow heavy very heavy steps that you could hear

you know in the nearest going around us and kind of I wonder if I remember correctly it was kind of a clockwise motion around the tent through the thick woods. Yeah. And you know I don't know if it was

you sometimes hear about smells we didn't really smell anything. It was just you know it was the rain and the wind that was coming down anyway yeah I heard the branches break in and every time one would break I would kind of I look and be like, look at Jason, be like shaking my head to say, no, no, whatever. Somebody messing with us.

But the more it went on, the more I kept thinking, this to me was almost like an animal scoping us out from a distance, seeing what was going on. Our fire had already gone out, so it was smoldering, but it was almost like they were just almost casing us out. And it was a very creepy feel. I know they close the gates to this place at night and they lock it down. It doesn't mean that somebody couldn't have walked up in there. But if you ever get a chance to see this place, I mean, it's like when Jason was alluding to, this is not your typical.

Hey, let's go camping with the family place. This is a deep, dark place with your will, the will of the will of trees that come down. They touch the water. It's swampy. And it's dark. It's mysterious look. and it was just, I don't know, I had a weird gut feeling that first day when we got there that there was something watching.

It just, it just felt that way. But being skeptical, too, at the same time, I was like, man, it could be somebody that walked in here and they're just messing with us. It was, um, the first night didn't, honestly, didn't sleep a whole lot. And it was, um, I don't know, it was. It was, it was a little spooky, I would imagine. It was, it was very spooky, very, very cold. creepy feel to the whole trip to begin with at that point.

Yeah. And so it stops around 4 o'clock, Jason. And what kind of happens that next day? We're usually like gung-ho to like wake up the next morning and, you know, to knock out like the first day of like morning fishing. But there was just kind of like this, I ain't a lie. It was almost like we saw the sun come up and we're usually on the water before the sun comes up. And it was almost like who was going to be the first one to unzip the tent?

and we we you know you really didn't say nothing to each other and then brian finally like got up and it's like you know i guess we'll go try to go fishing and then he unzipped the tent and like me and Craig were just like staying back in the corner of tent like you know if he gets ripped out of the tent you know we're just we're just booking it out the other end you know but you know and it's like soon as we came out and you know it almost felt like when the sun came up like it almost you still had that eerie feeling, but it was almost like, I don't know, it was almost like that, you didn't feel like that presence was on you, like when we first got there. And so we went, you know, we did our little morning fishing and stuff like that.

We came back around noontime, we had lunch and stuff, and it started raining again about noontime, and it got real overcast, so it kind of cooled down a little bit. So my little brother was like, you know, why don't we just go off the beaten track, and, you know, see if we can see anything. So we pulled up the park map and we kind of saw where, like, the park ends at. So we all got in Brian's truck and we each got like a little walkie-talkie that we got. And so we drove to the edge of the state park by the last little boat ramp. And the state park has like a little trail that kind of starts off there.

And it kind of like, it does a big loop around the state park and stuff like that. So we kind of started on that path. And then when the path ended, we can kind of see like where the woods really see. started. So we decided, all right, let's all, let's all continue on this path for a little bit. And then we'll break off three different directions and just kind of stay in communication. So we all kind of three started our own path. And our youngest brother, Craig, he veered off on his own being the youngster. And he started walking off on his own. So me and Brian can kind of continue on our own pass for a little bit.

And the area that we kind of got to kind of had like a, I'm not going to say it was like a Grand Canyon ravine, but for Texas it was a pretty nice size ravine on one side where we were walking. Probably about right now far you say about 30 yards from the ravine was the barbed wire.

Yeah, I'd say. Yeah, 20, 30 yards, give or take was this barbed wire fence that just came out of nowhere. Like, it was somebody's property like way off the beaten path to the state park. So me and Brian started walking along that barbed wire fence. And I probably said we walked on this fence for probably about 20, 30 minutes and just kind of like taking everything in.

It was like the normal forest feeling because even though we were still in the state park area, we weren't around like the real swampy area and stuff like that. We're in like in the woods now. So me and him continued walking on that barbed wire fence just kind of hugging the trail as we went. because it was either barbed wire fence, forest, or it was like ravine. And so we kept walking and then we kind of noticed up ahead of us probably about, you know, like half a football field away from us. We saw like this big obstruction on the barbed wire fence.

So, you know, we were just like, you know, what in the world is that? So we started walking up on it closer. And, you know, it's kind of like I explained to U.S., like whenever you see like power lines being put through a forest, there's like a clearing on both sides. well, on either side of the barbed wire fence, you had like your, it was like your tall grasses and your shrubs, and then probably about 20, 30 yards away from the barbed wire fences where the forest started picking up at. So we started, like, walking down to see what this big old mass was. And it's just when we finally walked up on it, it was a giant section of a tree,

probably about six or seven foot tall. It was wide enough where I could have put my arms around it and my fingers still wouldn't have touched. And it looked like it was taken and just throwing on the barbed wire fence. And the barbed wire fence was like a completely slumped over. On each side of the log, there was a massive puddle on both sides of the log,

like the entry point and the exit point where it looked like something was using that log as like an exit over the barbed wire fence or an entry. And it was, you know, it was super muddy where you couldn't really see the indentations or anything like that because it looked like it was heavily used like for a long time. And from, you know, from there we kind of like, you know, we both kind of like look at each other like. And then you kind of look around and like, look where the tree goes. could have came from. And there's no way that long, that big old section of that tree could have got there falling out of another tree or doing something like that. And the whole premises of

you know, why was it the only one even close to the barbed wire fence like that? And with all the stuff. And, and Wes, we're so far away from civilization at this point. I mean, I know it, it wasn't like a bunch of teenagers using it as their little fence jumping things, stuff like that. So from there, I started walking off on my own way. I kind of like backtracked and went back to some of the other way. I was kind of worried about our little brother because we ain't heard from them. So I told Brian, you know, just keep walking. And then I'm going to go back and see if, you know, if I can find Craig and get them and rallying back to us.

And I think the rest kind of picks up where, you know, Brian's part comes in. Yeah, Brian. So what happened, Brian? So Jason takes off and you're still standing there. I remember, you know, I agree with Jason, looking at the log and everything. I remember looking to see if there was a root system like it had fallen out and there was nothing. This thing had been placed there somehow to make it easier access over this old rustic bar barbeds. It's been there for who knows how long.

Jason took off, obviously, he was worried about Craig because we were trying to make it where we could check in every 15, 20 minutes with each other. and he can take off the little brother just does his own thing and so I told Jason you head on back that way make contact with him and I went basically if you're looking straight at the log I went left Jason went right

I continued along with this ravine to my left and kind of a I wouldn't really say of the trail it was just a pathway along the edge between that and the bar bar fence And as I kept going around to my left, traveling in a sense kind of maybe east, northeast or in this property line, there was kind of a hill that started to kind of pick up and build as I was walking. And so it was to my right was this thick brush covered hill, a lot of overgrowth everywhere. And it was to my right as I'm walking along with the ravine to my left, trying to give the listeners a view, kind of an idea of what I'm walking with.

you know, at this point, I'm in my gut, I'm thinking, that's weird to see this, this half of this log there in middle of nowhere. And it wasn't like it was a pre-cut log. This was like one that had fallen and been picked up and carried. It wasn't, you know, cut lumber by anybody by any means. It wasn't a perfect cut or anything. It was half of a down tree that was put there. That got me thinking, what did that? and as I continued on this path

I kept getting that weird feeling that something was watching me it went back to that same feeling on the first night when something was whatever circling our campsite and I remember hearing something moving to my right

up above me a little bit on this hill in my mind's eye It was almost like, you know, I'm not going to believe it. I'm not going to look. And something caught my attention off to the left. And I think it was some, I think if I remember correctly, it was an armadillo that was down along the creek on this ravine. And I was looking at that for a second as it was moving away from me.

And then I thought I heard like a branch break to my right over my shoulder. And I remember looking up and there was a little bit of a, I don't want to say it was sun. It wasn't sun that was out completely at that point. This was kind of a mist and sprinkle coming down. But there was enough of a break in the clouds. And where I was looking, that's when I caught a glimpse of something. And it was almost like, I might as well just say,

when I look at it and I play it back in my mind. it was almost like an arm, like a torso. The color was kind of a matted brown, almost kind of a burnt orange, almost maybe a tinge of that, but it was more of a brownish black kind of color mixed in. But it looked like an arm that was pushing down the undergrowth, just pushing down. And behind it was a very large, dark figure,

almost like it was pushing that stuff down to get a glimpse of me. And I just froze and I looked at it. And then as quick as it had pushed that down, it let the undergrowth go. And you can see the shrubs and the trees kind of shake there. And then it stayed put there. At this point, I was trying in my mind, trying to play it off.

Was it a deer? What was this thing? And it's when I pretty much, I kind of squatted down behind the nearest tree that was right next to me and kind of didn't want to look again. And I called Jason on, well, I called the guys on the walkie. And I let them know that I just saw something. And I think at first they thought I was joking with them. But I think by the time they heard my voice, they realized that I wasn't joking. And there was something up there.

And I'm going to say it was a good 25 to 30 yards up to my above me along the hill. And it was it was just sitting there. I think at that point it might have been that whole time might have been, you know, kind of like paralleling us. And I just wasn't paying attention to it until I heard that the rustling. And I looked back. What I thought was weird was when I heard the rustling, the brush. is when I wasn't paying attention and I was looking down at Armadillo down in the ravine and it was almost like it took its chance to look at that point at me when I wasn't paying attention

on the trail itself. It looked like the forearm and a bicep of a very large creature of some sort. That's what it looked like to me. And literally, if it was me up in the woods looking at somebody, I'd be pushing stuff out of my way to look. And I was like going hunting. He moved shrubs and things. out of your way to get a clear line of sight. And that's when I looked up and saw that, it noticed that I saw it and it quickly released that brush and you see the brush move.

And that's when I was like, oh God, what the hell was that? And that's when I called Jason and Craig on the walkie. And basically, at that point, I hunkered down behind the tree and was waiting for them to get there. And so... And then Jason can probably pick up. from there as far as what he heard and what he saw as he came up on the scene as well. And Jason, let me ask you.

So you get this call over the walkie-talkie that he's seen something. You guys, I would imagine, think he's probably screwing with you because he's skeptical. Yeah. But you end up realizing he's not and you take off. What kind of happens next? Well, when he first called me on the walkie and I don't know what kind of language I can use with, I don't know. but his exact words were, you know, like, I just saw something. I don't know, I don't know what the FF it was.

And my response was, you know, you know, quit screwing with me. I know you're full of shit. He's like, dude, I'm for real. Get here as quick as you can. And he's like, I'm not bullshit, y'all. I really just saw something. So I'm sitting there trying to, like, get to him to respond to me. And then for about a good minute, I'm sitting there.

And, you know, when it's your brother, like, or your family member, like, your whole world just kind of like stops moving around you. And I'm just sitting there staring at the walkie-talking. I'm like, Brian, Brian, what did you see? Like, tell me, man, what did you see? And he didn't say nothing for like a minute. So I'm thinking, shit, I got to get moving. So running is the last thing I want to do because I'm a, you know, football coach.

So I take off sprinting as fast as I can. And then when I start getting a little closer, I can see where he's hunkered down. and so when I get there, I kind of like run and I kind of like jump down right by him and I was like, dude, what's going on? What did you see? And this is probably like the second time I've ever seen my brother tear up.

Like when I looked at him, he had like, his eyes were watering. He had like tears coming out out of his, you know, running down his face. And he's like, dude, he said, I'm for real. I just saw something. And like right then it's just like, it's that concrete moment where like holy shit

you know this is for real because I know like when you see that looking like your brother or one of your family members face you know it's it's legit and so I remember

I put my hand on his shoulder and I was like are you all right man he kind of like nodded his head and I was like where's it at and he wouldn't say nothing and I kind of like gave him a shake

because he was kind of like in a little state of shock a little bit and so I shook him again I was like Brian where is it I was like you know is it

And then all he did, I remember he took one of his hands and just pointed over his shoulder and gave me a direction. And I remember I started to raise up to look. And next time I know, like, he grabbed me and like push my shoulder back down. And I told him, I was like, dude, I want to see. And he's just like, just be quiet because I think it's still there. So I remember I raised up and I couldn't see nothing. And like you said, it's kind of like a hill that starts sloping up into the woods. And I was like, Brian, I don't see nothing.

He kind of came up with me and he like, he kind of tilted my head to where it was. And he's like, it's right over there. Look. And I was like, can you still see it right now? He's like, yeah. And he's like, he kind of pointed to where it was. And then I started looking a little close. And sure enough, you could see this big mass like behind this section of trees.

At this point, it was almost like it was trying to. intimidate us. It was weird because you always hear stories about you hear vocalizations and you smell something. And maybe because we're upwind from it, I don't know. But I know we didn't smell anything. But one thing I will say, like, whatever was alive in the forest at that time making noise, it was completely dead silence. I mean, it brought the eerieness right back to, you know, where it was. And it was almost the feeling of I've been in the woods a lot growing up and it's almost like

it was almost like that feeling like something shouldn't have been there and like everything else in the woods was like feeling the same thing like oh shit you know we all got to be quiet now and it was weird and especially a place like that

you can hear the crickets the frogs and everything and it was just dead silent and I think that's what helped me really zoned in on where it was because you could hear you could hear like the brushes start you know like shaking us stuff like that. And then next I know my brother is like, hey, grab that stick over there

and beat it on the fence post right here. And so I did and I hit it on the fence post and while he was looking, it really didn't like, it really didn't like do anything. And so I beat it a couple more times and this went off for about 10 minutes and you can still see the shadow sitting there like it was just checking us out. I want to say about after 10 minutes I had knocked like three times a real loud, real loud. And the third one was loud enough where I actually broke the stick I had. And next we know about 30 seconds later,

we get two knocks back. And so when we heard that knockback, I'm thinking the same thing my brother thought on the first night, like somebody screwed with us. So I got on the walkie-talkie and kind of crouched down the ground. I was like, Craig, is that you? Are you messing with us? Craig's yelling on the thing.

Like, I'm running and trying to find y'all's dumb asses. Where are y'all at? I was like, dude, there's something over here for real. You know, me and Brian both, I was like, Brian saw it, and I don't know what I see right now. And he's like, all right, I'm trying to get there. And I said, you know, he's like, how do I find y'all? And I told him, just find the barbed wire fence and start running. And he's like, all right, when I get close enough to y'all, I'm going to just start yelling or screaming.

And I was like, no, don't do that, dude. Just when you find the barbed wire fence, you'll see it's like on the other side of it. So when I knocked that third time and when I was on the radio, talking to him, you know, he's yelling full blast on the radio. So I kind of noticed like when me and Brian both kind of crouched back up to look, Brian said it's not there anymore. And what, Brian, what happened after that? Well, just to make sure the viewers understand the sound of those two knocks that came down, it came from that direction of where that animal was.

It came from up above us. And then I'm assuming you're talking about what came down the hill. Yeah. And that was as Craig was in route to us. When I looked up and didn't see it anymore, and your eyes, you're trying to focus and look in that area, and you're looking into that brush, a rock about the size of a man's close fist came down.

I would say it went over our heads I would say it was between It was to the right of you Jason from when I remember Yeah, and it went across that path It kind of stopped almost towards a ravine And at that point I was like Did Craig throw a rock at us But the motion, the direction that came

Is not possible Because he's running from West to east towards us this rock came from above us, from a northerly direction coming down at us, down the hill. And at that point, I'm ready to,

I'm like, I'm done, let's load up and go. Yeah. From my point of view, and I know adrenaline's flowing and all of us, from that point on, from when the rock is tossed,

you can hear Craig off in the distance, like yelling, like, where y'all at, where y'all at? And as he's getting closer, you know, he's getting louder.

So we know Craig's getting closer. Ryan's like telling him, like, be quiet on the thing, but he's not listening. So when I go up to look in that general direction, back a little bit away from where we originally saw it, it looked like it retreated a little bit, and then you could almost see there was a section of trees, and you can almost see the outstretched arms. And this is really the time when I saw it the best I could see it. you could see the outstretched arms up into the hilltop. And it was good enough where you could see the burnt oranges color of the mass, the torso.

And it had its arms draped around two trees, and it was rocking back and forth. And I kind of explained to West, like the mass of it. I've been around a lot of defense alignment, defensive ends, and offensive linemen. the mass of this thing was not even you could even see you could even see it on either side of the there was no empty space when it was rocking between the trees and these trees were probably a good three feet apart from each other and it was almost like rocking like it was agitated and the louder Craig got as he was running in our direction the more and more started rocking like faster like like it didn't know what to do you know and me or and Brian were sitting there looking at it the whole time thinking like, you know, in the back of my mind, like, is this thing going to just go, you know, chase after Craig and get Craig? And at this point, I mean, I hate to say it, like, we, we didn't even call Craig back on the walkie talking because we're just sitting there looking.

You know, I guess in the back of my mind, we would have went his direction. We would have, you know, maybe called him. But it was almost like it was agitated or it was getting pissed off hearing Craig yell coming our way. And then next thing we know is Craig is getting into like our viewing site and our peripheral. You just hear all this commotion and all these shrubs just rattle and stuff like that. And I remember myself seeing the two trees that it was had its arms on. I remember seeing those two trees shake. And then next thing you know it's just like everything gets quiet again. And it's almost like it just wanted to make a big fuss, and it just got pissed off and just, like, ran out of the area.

It was almost like the underbrush exploded. It was making its presence known. And as Craig approached yelling, that was it. It took off, and it was, it was, it was gone at that point. So what kind of happens next? It takes off, and then what do you guys do? I remember Brian and Craig had this little flimsy camcorder with them, and I told Craig, like, turn on the camcorder.

And I remember Brian, Brian jumped over the barbed wire fence, and he's like, I'm going to go see, you know, if it's still out there. And I remember he, I remember I wasn't moving. I remember he turned around and looked at it for me to come, and I was just sitting there just looking at him like, you know, what's wrong with you, dude? He walked about 10 or 15 yards into, like, the little brush area. and then I remember he just like paused

and I was like, do you still see it? Is it still there? And then he just started walking backwards and he kind of like turned around to me and Craig and he's like, what the hell am I doing? And I remember it was just that like that brief statement he made and then the look on his face was like

you know, what was I thinking and you know chasing after that damn thing? You know, you hear all these stories about this thing being like eight to nine feet. 10 feet tall and stuff like that. And you don't want to believe that because it just seems outrageous.

But I know what I saw, me being six foot. And, you know, my little brother is like six foot two. And Brian, Brian, what are you, five, eight, five, nine. I don't want to put you on the spot, sorry. I'm the short one of the bunch. But to me, it looks something between six, six and a half, seven foot tall. It was definitely taller than me. But the mass of this thing was just like, it made you think like, man, if this thing wanted

to do anything it wanted to do, it would have to all three of us. Me being a science teacher, if I told any of my kids this story, they'd be looking at me like, man, coach is crazy. And, you know, the type of kids I deal with, they don't go in the woods to begin with, so I don't want to scare them from never going in the woods again. So, you know, it's one of those things that's always stuck with us over these last 10 years, and I've continued my, you know, my love of, you know, like researching Bigfoot and stuff like that. And, you know, I've always been in the back of my trying to get, you know, talk

Brian is like, man, let's share our story. We've never even told our family this. My dad would eat us alive if he told us this, you know, jokingly, you know, and my wife is like a straight devout Christian and she doesn't believe that things like this can even exist. So it's almost like for 10 years You're just living inside a shell And you can't come out with And it's almost like It's not about being embarrassed about it

It's almost like You want to be believed But you know if you're like sincere about it And you're being truthful about it No matter how many people you tell About what you experienced or what you saw They're still going to think you're full of crap Or you're just making some shit up

And that's what we've kind of like had in the back of our mind for the last 10 years. And after that experience, we've never went camping again. In fact, we took a good three or four years off from camping after that happened without even saying anything to each other. It was almost like, I don't know, it was almost like the desire was gone. And then we picked it back up a few years. Like, I think we've been camping the last three or four years, Brian.

Yeah, that's right. But it's never been on the premises of, hey, let's go to where there's a lot of bigfoot sightings. It's progressed to, hey, let's go where there's like some good fishing that we can just hang out. But I know just like the place we went to last summer in Cleveland, Texas, you know, Lake Livingston area, I'm sitting there out walking and fishing and I'm sitting there like, I'm looking off in the woods like, you know, hell, there could be something here. and it's always been in my mind, can this happen again to me? Or, you know, or hell, you know, I'm jealous of Brian because he got to, he got to experience like 75% of it. And, you know, and that's one thing that I've always wished, you know, what happened to me.

Like, I could be right there what had happened. And it's a relief to get it off my chest and finally, like, talk about it to you, West. And I appreciate this opportunity. Yeah, I appreciate you guys coming on. There's a lot of encounters at Cadill Lake. I mean, I've talked to a lot of people. It seems like people who go there camping on the off season have encounters. The people that go there, you know, when it's busy, nothing ever seems to happen.

Probably too many people around. Brian, what did you think it was doing? Do you think it was stalking you? Do you think it was just curious on trying to figure out what you guys were doing? What was in your mind? I think, what do you think that was going on? Yes, sir, in my mind, I think, I think, feel like it was definitely in a sense kind of stalking. It was paralleling myself when I broke

basically when I when Jason I split and Jason was more in towards Craig's direction and I was literally on my own further away from everybody. That's when it was following me up in the brush line. When I play it back in my mind, I remember hearing things moving above me and it took that chance to really take a look at me when I was looking at the critter down in the ravine and then that's when I saw it with its arm pushing the brush down and then releasing the brush

and then hovering in the shadows behind those trees there. For me, being as skeptical as I was at the beginning, I've always been at that point, previously 10 years back and having that encounter, it changes you. And I do appreciate the chance to talk about it. It's my own wife has never heard me talk about it. I've never shared the story other than with Jason and now with you and your listeners.

And it does change you for sure. And I was playing back in my mind that moment when Jason was explaining about me going up into the brush going and looking forward. It was almost like I had a moment of bravery. Like I wanted to go and see more of it. I wanted to go and really concrete what I saw. And when I got about 10, maybe 15 yards away from the guys, and I looked back over at them and they weren't coming with me,

it was like, well, what am I doing? Going up here with this thing that was very wide-bodied, massive. Yeah, I don't know for sure if it was trying to scare us off. I think it was more of it. The way it acted was like it was agitated and one that's out of the area when the Craig was making all that noise and racket running up on us. Previously, when just Jason and I were sitting there crashed down, it was watching.

It was observing. And it felt like it was going right into me. It was like into your soul. It was watching you. It was almost like a spiritual moment. But then at the same time it was creepy and it was eerie. And then after it broke through the brush and everything was gone, I don't know.

There was something that I kind of want to experience again and see it again. But we have not honestly, Jason's spot on in the last decade. We have not gone under the premise of doing that again. We just haven't. Have you guys gone back to that encounter spot? No, so. I don't know. Talking about it makes me almost want to go back and try and experience it.

And I do know, Wes, like that next night, like that same night it happened. I know we didn't sleep at all just for the fact that, you know, we were sitting there listening all night. And, you know, it almost got our little brother excited like, you know, damn, I want to see something too. So he got this, like, crazy idea that, like, let's go driving around to, like, one o'clock, you know, in the middle of the night. And we actually did. Me and Brian, I think Brian stayed in the tent. And me and Craig actually drove around the campsite with, like, spotlights and stuff like that. And, you know, it was like that initial, you know, that excitement.

But then at the same time, we're sitting there driving around, like, damn, we let Brian in the tent by himself. So we end up cutting it short and then coming back. but I know the next day, like that Wednesday, it was almost like that feeling like, I don't want to be here no more. And I think we spent the whole day, like just driving around the countryside. And I told Wes, we actually took a trip out to Folk, Arkansas. I think we spent like a half a day there.

And by the time we came back, it was just ready time to go to sleep. And Thursday morning, you know, it was, at the point, it was like, it was a good mix of fear and excitement. like excitement during the day, but like when the sun went down, like, nobody really talked about like what we saw. You know, and this was before the times of, you know, we weren't all, we didn't all have weapons. You know, we're in our early, we're in our mid-20s and stuff like that, or maybe 30s, early 30s, I don't know. Yeah.

But I know if it would have happened now, I mean, oh boy, would have had a deer rifle, a shotgun, and probably a handgun, you know, in the same area. things maybe not turned out the same way. You never know. But do we want to go back? I would love to go back. But it's almost like the whole point of, you know, you don't want to be disappointed if you go back. Like, you kind of expect you want to see the same thing or something better.

And I guess it's been my fear, you know, of trying to even organize this because, you know, it's like if it doesn't happen, then, you know, you want to sit there and second guess everything you saw and stuff like that. but, you know, I can tell all your listeners, y'all can sit there and be nonbelievers or believe in it all you want, but I know what me and my brother saw. I mean, this is what we saw is something that's you can't explain. I mean, I can't even explain it with science. I mean, and I don't know, it's just one of those things that's always going to be with me the rest of my life.

And for anybody that wants to say, you know, we're full of shit or whatever, you didn't walk in our shoes on that day. And you didn't see it. And it's easy to say you're a non-believer and you don't exist in things. Like I said, I mean, this is a true test of what me and my brother experienced. And it's taking us 10 years to get this off our chest. Yeah. And I'm so glad you guys did. Did you at least get a chance to break Brian's balls afterwards and be like, I told you.

I told you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I kind of think it's that it's kind of like that little unspoken thing now between brothers. And, you know, I always kind of jab at him. You know, like I might change my screen name on like my war zone thing to like Sasquatch lives or something like that. And, you know, it's, you know, it's something that we want the little brother to maybe like see one day too. because me and him have seen our share of ghosts together, and Brian never saw that side. But, you know, like, you know,

a part of Craig probably thinks, you know, that we're crazy because we say what we saw and stuff like that. But I know Craig believes on the other side of it because me and Craig have actually witnessed a couple of ghosts together ourselves. So that's a whole other side of stuff with. I hear you. Well, let me ask you, and I'll ask you too as well, Brian. But, Jason, what do you think that Sasquatch is?

My scientific opinion, it's just, man, it's just something left over. It's something that was left over from our early history. And I think it's just something, I mean, you go back to Indian times, the Native Americans, and they all talk about this. And, you know, there's a lot of weird stuff that is linked to UFOs, and they magically vanish. What we saw wasn't a magical vanish. I mean, this thing let us know that it was leaving. you know now you know if you're growing up in the woods you know how to hide from people and not be seen and stuff like that

and that's why you know that's why i caught my brother off guard i mean i don't think it's something i don't think it's a nine-foot tall ape walking around i think it's just i think it's just something that got left over from evolution and it still had a chance to successfully breed over the years and it's just maintaining this population as little as you can. I mean, what's the future of that? I mean, the way we're expanding and progressing as building stuff, I mean, you know, we're invading on everything's habitat nowadays. And we might get to a point now where, you know, you might even have big foot sightings in, you know, like Houston, downtown Houston and stuff like that.

You never know. because all this stuff that's been hidden from us for all these years, you know, we're encroaching on it every day, you know, and that's what, oh, that's my personal belief, Wes,

I think it's just something that's just left over from the evolution times. And, you know, it's just finding a way, it's just finding a way to keep his, you know, his population going somehow. You know,

and if it's linked to something mystical or whatever, you know, like the Indians, always talk about, you know, who knows? Like shapeshift and abilities and things like that, who knows? I got you. What about you, Brian? I mean, you got a good look at it. What's kind of your opinion as far as what this thing is? In my personal opinion, it's

it's got to be something left over. It's there. It's an animal. It had animal characteristics. It was also curious, which tells me it has some intelligence to it, the way it was taking the opportunity to look at me when I had my back turned to it. And then when I look back at it and it tried to conceal itself again behind the brush, it acted like an animal when it was agitated from the noise. At first it was observing. And then it got agitated and wanted us out of the area, the rock throwing, the two wood knocks. and then the brush, you know, taken off. But for me, I feel like it's, it's some, it's an animal.

I don't, giganticus, you know, I know they say it's a possibility or that prehistoric, and it's there. It could be some sort of missing link between evolution times. But you think about it, there's so many animal species that they find new, it seems, every other couple days. There's so much that's found new. that they've never knew existed. And the more we encroach into Mother Nature with our massive building and things, the more of these opportunities going to be for things to be found or things that don't want to be found and it's going to cause interactions between humans and nature and vice versa and back and forth.

And it's, I don't know, I don't know what else to say. I'm not, I'm not going to be weird to say it's not something for another world because it was not some sort of vanishing thing. left the area like an animal would. It was pissed. It left the area. It was angry. But it knew how to elude us at that point. When I got up there into the woods looking a little bit further, when I crawled, when I went up in the brush, it knew it was gone.

It had been, it, it's gone. It knows how to vanish into the woods like an animal does. I've been hunting and I've tried tracking things. And if you lose that trail, you're losing that trail. And it's just animals. know how to do things in the woods. And to me, it's an, it's an animal. Might as well call it what it is. It to me, it was, it was a Sasquatch. It was there. It was observing me. It was looking at me. It was watching Jason and I for those few moments as well. And then when it got up in that

brush line, it was between the trees, moving back and forth, almost like an animal that was agitated like Jason was saying as well. But, um, yeah, if I can cut it real quick, and Brian. Me and Brian kind of talked about this in the past where it almost felt like it was a level of curiosity, like a level of curiosity

that maybe we weren't dealing with like an adult, but maybe like a juvenileish version of maybe Sasquatch or something like that because you know, if it would have been an adult, I think we would have been,

I think maybe we would have had a lot more aggression out of it than what it did, but it almost like it was checking us out as much as we were checking it out as, I mean, can I understand what I'm saying with? Yeah. Yeah, then it kind of went into a tantrum almost. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it is fascinating. You know, an adult you may not have seen, that one seemed like it was kind of curious coming in.

I always tell people, though, it's a good thing you weren't alone, Brian, because I think you'll get one type of encounter when you're alone. I think the moment that Jason showed up and then the other brother was coming, you kind of see how it backs off a little bit. I think when there was two or three people, generally you have a different type of encounter. It's more of a retreating. I'm going to throw a rock, you know, that sort of thing. But, I mean, that's terrifying, guys. I really feel for you.

That really is terrifying because, you know, if they got it, it took off, you know, that it left. Right. I think you're right, though, Jason. I think that it probably was a younger one, especially the way it was throwing a tantrum. You know, you're beating on the tree. Yes, sir. And you guys aren't leaving.

And so it's trying to do everything you can to make you leave. Yeah, that's scary stuff, guys. Very scary stuff. I don't blame me for not going back. Sometimes it helps to go back to where you had the encounter. Yeah. You know, go with all your brothers, though. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Definitely not a solo trip out there again. No. And no. Yeah, I really appreciate you guys coming on and kind of sharing what happened to you to guys out there at Cadill Lake. I know it's not easy coming on talking about the encounter and everything like that. But I really do appreciate your guys' time. Thank you so much for taking the time to come on.

We appreciate it, Wes. Thank you for letting us have this opportunity to share the story finally. And that's it for tonight. Everyone remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Frontenstack. If you get a chance, check out saskwodgepronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.