Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:699 The Uninvited Visitor

Episode Date: October 16, 2020

Tonight we will be speaking to two witnesses. Stephen comes to us from AR. He had an encounter while driving with his family and this huge black creature rushed his car. Stephen said " We bought a piece of property in the middle of no where and we have had several strange things happen. We will also be speaking to Mark who had an encounter in 1984 in Canada.

I think they're just an animal. Yeah, and that's a fair answer. Do you think one should be shot and brought in? No, no, I don't. Even if we would have had a gun, it would have had to attack us before either one of us would have shot it. I don't think, you know, one should be killed. But that's my opinion.

I just hate to see it be killed, you know. Yeah, I respect. your opinion. I always feel terrible because I have the opposite opinion. You know, when I hear someone like yourself say that, it makes me feel bad. And I always think, you know, wow, that's a good man talking right there. That's the funny thing about this field is it seems like if you have a different opinion from someone else, you can't get along with the other person. And I just don't believe in that. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the earblind. It either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood

straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were chompering away back and forward, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? That son of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know. Do you see a bouncer?

Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-uh. This is Lynn Moore from Dallas, Texas. We're about to go on another amazing journey with Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. We're going to be chatting with Stephen.

And Stephen comes to us from Arkansas, northern Arkansas, and he had a very terrifying encounter. He's with his family. And it wasn't quite a roadside crossing. He thought this thing was going to collide with his car, had his whole family in the car. And so he'll go into that tonight. We're also going to be chatting with Mark.

And Mark is actually from Ohio. His encounter took place back in 1984 in Canada. He was out with a friend of his, and his friend kind of lives off grid. And while they were out in the middle of nowhere, they had an uninvited visitor that showed up. Very fascinating account, especially with the behavior around that campsite, because it really wasn't aggressive, but definitely wasn't leaving. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at.

Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Stephen to the show. Steven, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, I appreciate you being here very much. And I know you had an encounter with your family was in the car at the time. And it took place in Northern Arkansas. If you would kind of take us back to that moment, kind of tell us what you guys we're doing. Obviously, you were driving, but kind of take us back to that moment and walk us into what happened. Okay. Yeah, it was summer 2014, and my dad had been in the hospital up in Springfield, Missouri, and my wife and I and my kids went up to visit him. We were coming back home,

which we lived in Berryville, Arkansas at the time. And we're coming back down through the urbanette cosmic cavern area it's around 9 p.m. It's kind of you know summer's here 9 p.m. it's still not quite dark but you know you still can't make out a whole lot. It's it's pretty heavily wooded area. The tree canopy almost goes over the road completely in a few places. But we're coming through the corners. We get down to about cosmic cavern. My wife and I are both scouting the road for deer. Deer really bad that time of year. Probably two weeks prior, my mother-in-law got into an accident where she hit a deer, so we're really, you know, watching out for him. And I'm having to chat with my wife as we're driving down through

there, and we kind of come out of the trees a little bit where it starts to clear off there by the cosmic cavern parking lot where you turn into it. And so my left side, some huge black mass comes running up out of the ditch from the trees across the lane right up next to the car. and I scream, my wife screams, I swerved the car because I just know we're going to get hit, but we didn't get hit. And it was just, it happened so fast. It was one of those things where I caught the movement out of my eye. I turned slightly to look, and this thing just rushes us.

I didn't get a good look at it, just that it was black. I mean, blacker than everything around, and it was a couple feet taller than the car. I got you. So it was on two legs, obviously. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm not a tall guy. I'm only about 5'5, but standing next to the, it was kind of a cross between a minivan and a station wagon. Standing next to it, you know, I'm about eye level with the roof of it. And this thing was at least a couple feet taller than that. And, you know, really the biggest thing we've got around here are deer. And it was definitely not a deer. Yeah, it's, you guys don't have a lot of predators there. in northwest Arkansas, do you? I mean, you guys don't even, I mean, no, not really. I mean,

you'll get the occasional black bear, but they're kind of a rare thing. Yeah, and they're pretty small in that area. Yeah, what did your wife say? I mean, the saying, you guys kind of, as coming up the car, did she, what was the conversation like afterwards? We were both just kind of dumbfounded, you know, one of those where we stared at each other for a few minutes. I, I didn't even have the whirlwindle to look in the rear of mirror or anything. I was just, I was just shocked. And she goes, what was that? And I said, I don't know. I think I know, but I don't want to say it. And she goes, are you know, are you thinking Bigfoot? I said, I think so, but I didn't think they were around here. You know, I watched a lot of Monster Quest and things like that. I saw

the Patty film, you know, whenever I was younger. And I was kind of associated. and that with being a Pacific Northwest kind of thing. You know what I mean? I didn't ever expect to say anything here. Yeah, there's a lot that goes on. You and I were talking the other day. There's a lot that goes on in Arkansas, but people in Arkansas are kind of funny in the sense that

unless you're from there and you know the person, they're not going to tell you anything. I'm sure if you go online, you look at BFRO reports, you won't find much in Arkansas. But I can tell you there's a lot that goes on there. I get emails all the time from people in Arkansas that run into them. And it's weird behavior. You know, to bum rush a car like that,

I was telling you about the encounter in, I think it was El Paso, Texas, which you and I both know, I mean, you're talking flat desert. I mean, there's nothing out there, really. And the SWAT team members, that same thing happened. I mean, this thing came out of nowhere, and he said, I don't know what to tell you. It was a gorilla, and it bumrushed the car. It's the biggest gorilla I've ever seen in my life, and it bum rushed. They were coming back from training, and it did this. same thing to them, except for even in your situation, it didn't hit the car. He thought for sure it was going to hit. I mean, everyone kind of braced for impact and it didn't hit the car. What do you make of that behavior? I mean, what's kind of your opinion? Do you think that's bizarre,

isn't it? It is. I don't know if it's like a territorial thing or if he was just getting angry at traffic coming by or something like that and decided to take it out on us. I've got no clue. Yeah, but that wasn't the only person in the area that saw it. You were at church and something happened there too as well. Do you mind telling us about that? Yeah, absolutely. So that was on a Saturday night. So the next morning to Sunday, you know, you have weird things happen.

Your brain will kind of try to logic you out of it, you know, and I'm going, okay, well, maybe that wasn't what I thought it was. I don't know what it was, you know, and I kind of already discounted it. And I get to church and the pastor's wife approaches me. And she says, you're not going to believe what I saw last night. Well, I knew she lived around the cosmic cavern area. And she's got a son who's about my age. And she's one of those that every time he says, Bigfoot, you know, she sighs, rolls her eyes. Oh, great, not this again.

You know, that type of thing has no interest in it whatsoever. You know, so I jokingly throw out there. she see a big foot over around Cosmic Cavern about 9 p.m. And her jaw drops and she pushes me, you know, harder than a 50-some year old tiny lady should. She pushes me back and she goes, how did you know that? And I said, wait, are you serious?

Like you did? She said, yes. She said, I was driving through around Cosmic Cavern at roughly 845. And I saw this huge black figure standing at the tree line. And I said, well, that's crazy because I drove through there at nine and something rushed my car that was huge in black. So anyways, it's, it just kind of, it, it startled me because this lady who has been so against anything bigfoot, her first go to is immediately, it was a big foot. It was this huge black thing standing at the tree line. Yeah, kind of cemented your experience too as well, because here's another person who, you know, doesn't really believe in it is kind of, you know,

you know, skeptic towards it and then kind of ran into the same thing you ran into. I just find that behavior so odd that they would rush cars. You know, I know you listen to the show. You hear that where they'll step in front of cars at the last moment. And that behavior, I don't quite understand. You know, for something so smart and so intelligent and elusive, that seems like buffoon-type behavior. I mean, dears do that, but, you know, dears aren't the smartest thing on the planet either. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I know what you mean. it definitely seems weird. What did you think of Bigfoot prior to all of this happening to you? It's one of those things that I've always believed was real. You know, it's, I kind of look at it like animals in the ocean. You know, there's a lot of stuff out there that people say, oh, no, there's no way that exists. And then a couple years later, you know, something washes up on the shore of Japan and they go, oh, I guess it is real.

You know, we just didn't know. I kind of feel like it falls into that category of it's out there and it's real. We just don't know enough about it. Yeah, what do you think that they are, Stephen? What's your own personal opinion? Again, you know there's no wrong answer. I'm just curious on, after this experience, I'd imagine you took some time to really kind of look into it. What do you think that these creatures are?

I've kind of always thought they are what the Native Americans say they are. You know, they've spent the most time in close proximity to them. live next to them for thousands of years. They refer to them as Harryman. You know, there are people of the woods. I honestly kind of think that's what they are. I think they're maybe ancient people. They may be a little more animalistic.

But I really think they're, you know, almost like another tribe. And, you know, you get some of the stories of the weird stuff, the, the orbs and the glowing eyes and cloaking and mind speak and all that. I don't know. There's a lot of physical evidence out there. You know, you got hair samples and scat and footprints and things like that. And then you have these other ones that don't fit in that category. I almost feel like it's two separate entities doing this. Yeah, I've often wondered about that too.

It's so hard to pin down what this thing is because, like you said, in some encounters, it's almost like you're running into an animal. In other encounters, it's almost like you're running into some weird branch off of humans, you know. Yeah. And there is a weird paranormal side to it that a lot of people talk about. And it's hard to discount that. I used to until you kind of listen to people, you know, people who don't talk to each other, they all kind of describe the same weird things going on and around their property.

Your dad talked about the orbs. I'm fascinated to hear what he told you, the balls of light. When he talked to you about this, was it in the same area that we're talking about? it's it's about three hours north um he lives up in missouri in southern missouri and we're in northern arkansas but the the property that he lives on is is an old property and i said that because the the 40 acres he lives on was part of the homestead act so i mean it's it's been what it has been for a long time there's you know super old graveyards and stuff around there but um he said you know he told me stories before which he's not he and my mother neither wall

are, you know, paranormal people. They don't, you know, they don't think anything about ghosts or aliens or anything of that of that sort. You know, and like I wouldn't even bring up this story to them, you know, that I told about Bigfoot, because I know that they would just blow it off. But I don't know. There's something about, you know, Ozark Hillbillies that things like orbs, which they call them spook lights.

You know, spook lights are just part of the woods. It's part of, you know, what goes on out there. And, yeah, he told me about several instances where, you know, he was younger and living out on the property. And it was nothing to see them come and dance down the fence line or, you know, in a hayfield across from where they were at. He said there would be, you know, four or five of them come up out there and circle around in the field. And he said they would just kind of sit on the porch and watch him. It was just, you know, part of the area. Did he ever describe them to you?

I mean, did he ever talk about colors or size or did he ever? I've heard the term spook lights before, especially down south. Yeah. But did he ever kind of describe what they look like? No, he never went into detail. The only detail I got was one from my mom, which there was that account I told you what happened inside the house. And she described it as being about basketball sized with just a dim white glow. Would you share that story?

Or do you mind sharing that story? No, no, I don't mind at all. Yeah, so my oldest sister is in her mid-50s right now. And at this time, she was about three to four years old. And she jumps up in the middle of night, comes running to my parents' bedroom, gets in their bed. And she's going, what is it, Mommy? What is it? What is it? And wakes my mom up. And, you know, my mom, she just goes, just lay back down. It was a bad dream. Don't worry about it.

Well, the time goes by. And my mom said that this orb came floating into their bedroom. And she said it was about the height of if it was like a person wearing a mask, you know, like it was head level. And it comes bobbing into the room and comes towards the bed. And the whole time my sister is shaking her going, what is it, what is it? What is it? What is it? What is it? Well, it's apparently she'd seen it in her room, you know, and then came in there because it bothered her. But my mom said it just bobbed up and down like somebody walking. and it just went right past the bed, into the closet, and disappeared. So she jumped up, you know, opened the closet door, looked around.

There's nothing there. Like, nothing ever happened. But anyways, yeah, that's scary, man. It's scary, not knowing. I'm real curious. Your dad sounds like the same generation as my dad. I mean, your folks do. And I'm really curious on, did your dad ever tell you what he thought the spook lights were?

Did he ever give you any information on him? No, I mean, he would just kind of talk ideas, you know, never really anything cemented. They do live fairly close to the Fort Leonard Wood Air Force Base. So a lot of the stuff that he, you know, that happened around there, he kind of just attributed to the Air Force. You know, he just kind of writes it off as out, that's probably some government thing going on. You know, they've had some weird stuff happen around there that he just kind of writes off as that. I got you. Yeah, I don't know if your dad, your dad probably may not be old enough to serve in World War II or been, he was probably around during that time. Yeah, yeah, he was born in 1940. 1940, okay. Yeah. And I've always wished I would have gone back and asked my dad or my grandfather about the foo fighters. I don't know if you heard the show I did on the food fighters. Yeah, I did. And I'm always curious on, you know, a lot of that generation is, is gone. There's not very many of them left. But I've,

I've always wanted to talk to one of those guys or if they'd ever heard anything around that time about the footh fighters. It makes you wonder if that's what the spook lights are because they seem to have the same appearance. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's a very scary encounter, especially when you're with your family and this happens. Have you guys been back down that road? Yeah, actually, we travel quite often. I don't think we ever been back down through there in the dark, though.

but I don't know. I'm always on the lookout for something now when we go through there, but I haven't seen anything since that. I definitely would keep my eyes peeled. I want to ask you, you guys moved out to this property in the middle of nowhere out there in Arkansas, and there's been a lot of weird things happen on the property. Do you mind telling us about that?

Well, we moved this summer. We were living in the middle of Berryville, and we moved out to the middle of the woods up north of Eureka Springs. And we're several miles down to county road, Like I told you we were trying to get the logistics of the call going. I'm like, I'm going to have to call you from town because I don't have cell service and I don't have available internet. That's how far out I am. But, no, we were looking at the property.

We wanted to get out of town, you know, get the kids out into the woods. We went over, went over to do an inspection on the house. And so, you know, my son, he's 15. He's like, yeah, I'll go with you. I want to go check out the woods. He's kind of an outdoorsman. He said, I want to check out the woods while you guys. were looking over the house and said yeah no problem so he came with us and he wandered off out to

the woods while we were checking he's over in the house and uh he comes running back up to the house and he's like you got to come with me i got to show you something i go okay i was thinking you know he found something cool out in the woods or you know i didn't know what it was but i went with him got up there and we we get down into the down to the trees and it's mostly pine trees you know a lot of pine needles and stuff on the ground and he points down he says said there I marked it with a stick. And I looked down and it is the clearest footprint I've ever seen. And it's about 11 inches long and about 8 inches wide. And you can see toe indentations. You can see the front pad of the foot where the weight transferred because it was going up

the hill. And it was it was eerie, you know, to see that right in front of you. And I had a tape measure with me because we were checking stuff in the house and I got it out and laid it beside the footprint and took a picture of it. I can send it to you later if you'd like. Yeah, please do. But anyways, that was kind of the first thing that happened. And we, you know, one of those things that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up and got us to thinking, well, you know, we had that instance happening in 2014. Maybe, you know, maybe there's stuff around here. Anyways, fast forward. We get the house. We get moved in. My son's out. He goes out and hangs out in the woods all the time.

Well, he went down over on one of the far sides of the property, and there's a dry creek bed, and he found that there was a spring under part of it. And so he takes the shovel, and he's trying to dig the spring out. Well, while he's digging out the gravel in the spring, this baseball-sized rock comes whizzing past him and hits the bank. And we're out there where there's nobody. You know, there shouldn't be anybody else out there with him. but this baseball-sized rock comes whizzing past and hits the bank next to him and falls down into the creek bed. And he stands up and goes, well, that's odd.

Where did that fall from? Well, about that time, he hears a real faint. He said it sounded like a whooping sound down the creek bed from him. And he turns to look down the creek bed and he doesn't see anything. And then he turns quickly back to look up the hill because this creek bed is kind of in a not a ravine, but it's very, very steep hills. And it's a very thick brush. He looks up the hill to see the direction where the rock came from.

And when he does, there's a bunch of these little trees. It's like the trees that they grow on the forest floor, but they don't get enough light. So they're really tall, but they're only about an inch and a half in diameter. There's a group about five or six of these past the brush that he's looking at that all move in unison, like something huge went through him. He freaks out, you know, and he hunkers down in the. the creek bed and he always takes a walkie-talkie out with him and he he's calling to the house going going dad come on you got to get out here bring a shotgun come on you know and so i grab my boots and my shotgun and i run out there i get down close to him and he's signaling to me pointing up

the hill above him asking if i can see anything and i'm going no i don't see anything well we get down there and he you know he gets back up and he tells me where it's at and i walk up the hill walk through the brush and walk to the trees that he saw move and i'm shaking him from the base because he the brush is so he can't see me and i'm shaking him from the I'm going, is it this one? Was it this one? He goes, yeah, he said all of those there in that group. And I had him come up there and look, and I stood between the trees and stretched my arms out, fingertip to fingertip, and I couldn't touch any two trees.

That's how far apart they were. But he said they all moved in unison, and he said they did almost the wave, you know, at the top, like something hit him at the base, and that vibration went up the top. Anyways, that happened, and then he was out of the woods for probably about a month. you know he wouldn't go down there by himself after that happened it really shook him up and then uh and then he got his courage back up and he decided he was going to go down um he had a friend coming over they were going to shoot guns and do some target practice and there's an old abandoned access road on the backside of our property and he you know it's it's a little

overgrown but it's relatively flat and mostly open he's like well you know that's a good straight straight spot away from the house we can go down there and set up some targets you know and so he went down there with this hatchet and he's kind of clearing out some some low limbs and stuff to where they've got a clear line of shot. And he walks back down the creek bed to get there and comes out. And as he is, as he's kind of cutting these limbs, he said he heard a sound. And I've asked him to try to make it for me multiple times. And he just goes, Dad, I can't make the sound.

He said, it was a mix between, he said, it sounded like a woman screaming and a whoop. He said, like you hear the recordings of the whoops. He said it sounded like a combination of the two. He said it wasn't a low sound. He said it was a high sound. And he said a split second after that, a tree got pushed over up there where he had just come from. And it freaked him out. And so he came back up to the house and they didn't go shooting down there that day.

But it's just, it's crazy to me. Like I grew up in the woods. I've never heard a large tree fall over. You know, all the time that I've been out there, limbs fall and break, when, you know, when breaks things and stuff like that. But I've never heard trees fall over. And since we've been out there, it's a common occurrence to hear trees just fall over. Yeah, that's a little creepy. Usually they don't fall unless there's a major windstorm or, you know, something.

They don't just crack and fall over. I'm with you. I've been out in the woods my whole life. I've never heard them just fall over. Has anything come up to the home or has there been anything else odd that's kind of happened around there since you guys moved in? No, no, just like I said, just strange noises, trees falling over. But the thing is, when we bought the house, the people who had it before us, it was a vacation home for them. So they weren't out there very much at all a handful of times during the year.

So it went from being rarely visited to people being there all the time. So I don't know if that upset something or, you know, they feel like it's a territorial thing or what. Yeah, you hear that a lot. I've heard that from other eyewitnesses where they'll have like a home and it's a rental home and no one's the last renter left. I'm able to rent it for a year. Then all of a sudden, someone moves in. And the activity just picks up like there's no tomorrow. And I'm with you on it, Stephen.

I don't know if it's territorial or if it's just why are you guys here, that sort of thing. Have you taken a walk around the property? See if you could find it. I mean, you found the print. I'd love to see it. But have you kind of done a walk around that big property? I know you're in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, we have.

There's some parts of it that are so thick. I just haven't went through. you know yes and no we we kind of look look for some odd things i know that there was a there was one night we heard a it sounded like a big tree getting pushed over and and then we heard water and we've got a really large pond down in the bottom of the valley and i said that's odd it sounded like something huge going into the water we take a walk down there and there's this tree that it's partially dead but there's no wind there's nothing around it nothing to cause it to break and I'm looking at this tree going if it if it would have broke it should have broke at the bottom

but you know it's eight inches in diameter and it broke about nine feet up and it it didn't fall at the base of the tree when it fell off it fell about 10 to 12 feet away from the tree and half of it broke off and went out to the middle of the pond so like something hit it with some force and up high because it didn't break off the ground it's weird stuff like that and I know I know I've got two Australian shepherds that will chase anything day or night it doesn't matter if it's pitch black they hear some noise out the woods they're after it um anytime something like this has happened anytime with my son out the woods the dogs are with him right there with him having a good time and as soon as something something happens they're gone and they're back at the house

wanting inside like they they get out of the air fast so it's just it's kind of creepy it is creepy It's very creepy, especially for dogs to react that way. I'd be real careful with your son walking around that property. I mean, you never know how many are out there or what's going on until, hopefully they don't come up to the home. You know what I mean? That's the last thing you want is them coming up to the house. Yeah, yeah.

We just make sure we go out in pairs now if we go out in the woods. Does it concern you at all having this stuff going on on your property? It doesn't concern me at the moment because it's out in the woods. woods. It's not up around the house. I think if stuff start happening up around the house, I'd probably get concerned. Yeah, I would too. Has there been anything else that's happened? No, that's it so far. Just like I said, trees, trees breaking sounds down in the woods, things like that. Yeah, I'm curious about that sound your son described. There's a vocal off to dig it up somewhere, but it's very close to what he described, in between kind of a whoop and a

scream and kind of a higher pitch. I'll see if I can't dig it up and send it to you. I'm curious if that's what he heard. Okay, yeah. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, and let me know if anything else happens out there, will you? Yeah, we definitely will. And I sure appreciate you taking the time to come on and share what happened to you and your family.

Yeah, hey, thanks for having me on. Like I said, my family loves the show. I look forward to it every week. Thanks so much. Mark, Mark, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, I really appreciate you coming on. And I know you had an encounter back in around 1984, and it's always kind of stuck with you throughout your life and the friend that you're with. If you would, kind of take us back to that moment. Can't tell us where it happened and what were you doing and walk us into this encounter? Okay. Wes, I live in Ohio. I live about 15 miles north of Salt Fort.

And my buddy, he lived up in near Dryden, Ontario, Canada. That's northwestern Ontario in a town Dryden. My buddy, he lived off the grid. He lived 30 miles from Dryden, and his closest neighbor was 13 miles. He had no electricity, no indoor plumbing, no running water. And me and him been friends since we were teenagers. And I went up that year. That was in 84 to visit him.

And the year before, when I was up there, me and him, we ran into an ex-district attorney from Chicago. And he was a real cool guy. And while Bob was working that summer, I would, me and him would have. hang around, go fishing and stuff. And he was camping on an island on a bush lake close to where Bob lived. And he told me that one day he says, man, Mark, you should have been down here with me. He says, I heard moose bellowing down in the shallows. And he said, I snuck down there and I got to see him.

And he said they were feeding on wild rice and stuff. And I always wanted to see a moose. So that year I told Bob, I says, Bob, I want to go camping over on the island there at Salm Lake. And Bob says, no. He says, I ain't camping on Salma Lake. But if you want to go camping, there's a lake about 20 miles from here. It's called Buller. And he says, I've always wanted to go out there and explore it.

And to me, you know, that was good. I mean, we're going to be 30 miles, you know, what? 33 miles out into the wilderness. And so it was a spur of the moment thing. We threw a couple packs together and threw the stuff on his four-wheeler, and we take off. And we get out there, and I don't know how long it took us. I mean, so we were driving along. We came up on this little knoll there, and we had to take old logging roads to get back to this late.

and Bob stopped and he says look down there below Mark and I looked down through there and as far as my eye could see all I seen was a light green you know the trees they were light it was all new trees there's a pulp wood place there in Dryden and then they go in and they cut everything and miles and miles of wilderness just you know cut out and we get down close to it then and the trees were like 15 20 foot tall well we keep going and we come to a little patch of woods and the railroad tracks and bob says well this as far as we can drive mark we're going to have to walk the rest of the way so we hit his four-wheeler up in that little patch of woods crossed over into cross the tracks get up in and to the trees. And this virgin timber, I mean, this was not cut out.

This was beautiful. Spruce and big trees. So we walkaways and we get, we can start seeing the lake, you know, through the trees. And Bob says, there it is, Mark.

And we walk along this ridge because we can look down in there and there's older trees real thick. And they come all the way back to the, the big trees. So we walk along until we see a little opening down in the older. So we go down in there.

And there's a big rock that goes out into the lake. And Bob says, hey, Mark, go see if you can catch you some supper. And he says, I'll go look and see if I can find this a good place to go, you know, set the tent up. And I said, sure. So I'm there fishing, trying to catch a supper. And Bob, he goes looking. He comes back. I don't know, half hour, 45 minutes.

And he says, Mark, he says, this is the best place. I can't find nothing better than this. He says that little clearing, it's big enough to put the 10 in. We'll cut some branches out of the road. And we'll get it right there. And I says, cool. Bob says, if a bear would happen to come, he'll have to come through the alders, and we'll definitely hear and come.

And I said, yeah, that's great. So Bob, he was trimming back some of the branches and stuff. I was picking up, you know, some twigs and brush and getting it out of the road. We got the tent set up. And we took six beers along with us, and we were going to drink a couple, you know, after supper. And when we got there, I took the beer and put it in the edge of the lake, you know, to help keep it a little cooler. And we got the tent up and got all of our stuff in there, sleeping bag. and stuff. And then we went down with

setting on the rock. We were talking, you know, bullshit and about what we were going to do the next day. How we were going to explore this lake. And we drank a beer and the mosquitoes was really bad there. I mean,

they were horrible. Anybody that's been a not part of the in Canada, they know how bad they are. So we ate supper and cleaned up what food we had left over, we just, you know, threw it out into the lake, and we didn't want to try and draw no bears in or anything.

And Bugs was so bad, we went up and got in the tent, and we were in there, you know, listening to the radio. And there's a thing that they have on the radio. It's a message thing, you know, for people that lives off the grid, you can call in and leave a message. So we had had the radio on, waiting for the message. bored to start up and we were laying in there smoking cigarettes bullshit and this and that and the message thing came on and there was a message from bob's wife you know telling us to be

safe you know have a good time she'd see us in a few days and we was laying there you know listen to the radio well the radio went out bob says shit he said i forgot to bring any more batteries says, well, he says, that's it. We ain't going to get no more messages. And, you know, we were just laying there talking. We was planning on getting up early, you know, and get started. And we was laying there. Kept hearing this thing back in behind the tent, walking back and forth.

We didn't hear no trees breaking or it wasn't stepping on anything. We kind of figured it was back into the big tree. trees, you know. And this kept up. And I'm thinking bear. Every bear story I'd ever read when I was young flooded back into my head. And this thing just kept it up. It was loud steps. I mean, really loud. It didn't sound like a deer or a bear walking. It almost sounded like, you know, human back there, you know, something walking on two legs. And I kept saying to Bob, what is that what is that bomb bob kept saying i i have no idea what that is and we laid there a little longer he kept walking you know and pretty soon you know i was scared you know i never heard nothing i mean

loud steps and bob says mark i don't know what that is he says if anything comes through this tent, you lay perfectly still and do not rise. And my voice was all croaky, and I said, why? He lit his lighter, and he had a double-edged boot knife, and he said, this knife is going to be going like this, and he was swinging a back of force. I was already scared. Now I'm petrified. Bob, who had lived up there for years, you know, he had been out camping and stuff in the wild, and he's scared. Now, I'm petrified. And we laid there and listened to this thing a while. We weren't talking. And if we did talk, we whispered. You know, we never talked out loud, never made no crazy noises or we was quiet. And finally, I couldn't take it anymore. And I told Bob, I says, man, I can't take it in this tent.

I says, let's go down to that rock and get a fire going. Bob didn't say anything. And a few minutes later, you know, he was thinking on it and he says, all right Mark, we'll do that. And he dug into his pack. He pulled out a coffee can and a candle. It was a camping

candle. That was the only light we had was a candle inside of a coffee can. And Bob, he lit the bottom of it, got it all melty and stuck it in the middle of the can. He handed it to Maine. He says, here, Mark, you go first.

And I says, why do I have to go first? He says, I've got the knife. And that's all to, I know what he meant, you know, he was going to protect us. And I crawled over there, unzipped the tent, took that can shining around. We had a little path that went from the tent down to the lake. And I didn't see nothing. So I crawled on out and stood up. and I took that can with shining it all around the back of the tent,

front of the tent side. Couldn't see nothing. The older trees, they were pretty tall, probably at least eight to ten foot. And me and Bob, we were about six foot, and I couldn't see nothing. And so I took a couple steps away from the tent. Bob, he crawled out. Bob touched me on the shoulder when he stood up. And he says, okay, let's go.

And we started slowly walking down to the lake. I mean, I was taking small steps. I was shining the light here and there looking, and Bob was so close. A piece of paper would not have gotten in between us. Finally, we'd get down to the lake. I get on that rock, and I'm making sure there ain't nothing on that rock. And walk over.

There was a, when we were eating supper and sitting down there, We'd noticed a big pile of driftwood in there. So I handed Bob the coffee can, and he was holding it while I got a fire going. We got that fire going, and we didn't make a huge fire. We made the type of fire that me and him always called Indian fire. It was small. A white man makes a huge fire. An Indian makes a small fire.

Well, this fire was a little bit bigger. than a regular Indian fire because we wanted to see what was going on. Had the fire gone, you know, it was blazing pretty good. Lid up, the whole rock we was on. This rock was pretty good size. I would say

that rock was at least 15 foot wide and it ran from the older trees all the way down into the lake. So we had a fire going. We were sitting there. You know, we were feeling a little better.

after hearing that thing walking in behind us and sat there. I was smoking one cigarette right after another because I was scared. And we sat there for a little bit. All at once this radio that had dead batteries in it starts making the weirdest screeching, staticy sounds we'd ever heard in our life. I mean, these things were loud. And we instantly jumped up on our feet. I was ready to jump into the lake, swim to the other side.

Bob, he grabbed me. No, Mark, we don't know how fast this thing can swim. We get out in there, and it could drown us. I said, okay. And Bob says, you got to go up there and shut that radio off. And I says, what do you mean? I got to go up and shut that radio off. He says, well, when the radio first started, like, at Bob, he yells real loud.

Oh, my God, it's eating the old lady's radio. And then he told me I had to go up there and shut the thing off. And I'm saying, why do I have to go shut it off? Bob held up that knife and he shook it around. I've got the knife. And I said, Bob says, I'll go with you, Mark. And I said, okay. So I went first with the coffee can with the candle and looking around.

I just knew, Wes, that that creature was inside that tent. And so we get up there. We take baby steps getting up there. We're only probably, I don't know, 10, 15 feet from the lake to the tent. We get up there. I pulled the door of the tent open a little bit and shine the light in there, and there's nothing in there. And that radio, when it went off,

it probably went off making those noises, probably a good 20, 30 seconds. By the time we got up there, the noises had all stopped. So I called there, shut the radio off, and I grabbed the radio, and I took it with us back down. I did not want to hear that radio

making those noises again. And so I shut it off. and crawled back out with the radio, and we started back down to the fire. This time, I went a little bit faster. I wanted to get back down there to the fire. So we get down there, and after that radio had stopped, we didn't hear no more walking in behind us, and our nerves is completely shot.

That radio really scared the heck out of us. So we go back down there And I throw more wood on the fire Everything was quiet And then all at once We heard this real loud Shreling whistle That whistle

It was about two 300 yards Down the lake It was on the same side of the lake That we were on And I looked at Bob And I said Now what was that Bob says

I have no idea what that was He says I've never heard A noise like that you know up here before it wasn't no more than a few minutes later that thing was back in behind the lake again back in behind the 10 again walking back and forth again now we're really scared because that thing covered 300 yards in no time at all and we're sitting there throwing more wood on there smoking one cigarette right after another bob he wants to go bob says let's go he

He says, we'll just leave everything and come back some other time and get it. And I says, I don't think I can leave, you know. I says, I'm too afraid. I said, all we got for a light is that candle in a coffee in that coffee can. Bob says, yeah, maybe you're right. And I says, I think we're better off staying here at the fire. Bob, he finally agreed. And we sat there, kept hearing that thing, walk.

It walked damn near that whole night back in behind where we were at. We never did see anything, but it was so brushy in those alders. You know, you just really couldn't see back in there. So this walked back and forth. It never broke any branches. You know, it never shook any of the trees or anything like that. And everything was normal, except we never. never heard no birds making any noises, never heard no frogs, no bugs, nothing like that.

I mean, it was just complete quiet except for the footsteps. And they're heavy footsteps. Whatever it was, it had to be big. We knew what it was, Wes, but the word bigfoot Sasquatch was never mentioned at all that night. you know, we never said anything. We hardly ever talked at all. We just sat there on that rock close to that fire and kept that fire fed. And then we were up all night, you know, we couldn't sleep.

And it started getting daylight. And West, you know, it started getting light. And then we hear the same whistle that we heard, the first. time, but now it's on the other side of the lake. And it's identical, real high-pitched whistle and noise. And it was gone. And that was it. We never heard no more from it. And the footsteps, they all stopped too. Yeah. So the first whistle that you heard was from behind the tent. And then as the sun was coming up, you heard that sharp whistle again from across the Like, is that kind of the way you're explaining it?

Yeah, the first whistle, it was straight down the lake from where we were, probably 300 yards or so. The last whistle we heard was going around the lake. It was way from us. You know, it was a long ways from us then. It was on the other side of the lake, and it made the exact same whistle. And you hear them do that whistle. You hear a lot of eyewitnesses report that whistle. kind of as I guess a weird form of communication.

You know, when I used to work in the lumber yard, they would do that high-pitch whistle or a whoop. They would do a whoop. And I always thought that was hilarious that they would do that. But the reason was, is you have all these saws running and something like a high-pitch whistle or a whoop to signal break time or whatever.

It's just kind of fascinating that they kind of use that same kind of weird form of communication. What's your take on the radio? I know back in the 80s, they probably had those big D batteries. And you and I both know, I mean, when those things are dead, they're dead. They don't, I mean, there's no, I mean, I used to have those growing up. And when those batteries were gone, they're gone. What's your take on the radio kicking back on? That's kind of bizarre. It was bizarre. I mean, we never, I never in my life witnessed anything about that. I used Fox hunt with a cassette that took double or

D batteries like that. When they were dead, they were always dead, you know? And these batteries were dead West. I bet them batteries before it came back on, I bet it was over two hours because we probably laid in the tent an hour after the radio went off. And then we were down by the fire probably for another hour or more. See, that radio, that's the thing that has both of us stumped, you know.

We originally thought that night, when we talked about it the next day, that it was in there playing with the dial. That's the only thing, you know, we could figure that it was inside the tent messing with it. But if you would have heard them noises coming out of that thing, if he was in there, he would have tore that tent. up trying to get out of there. And that tent, nothing was moved in that tent, you know, so, you know, I did, when my fear, I never did look to see if it was still on the same station or any of that. And if we did look, you know, it's been 36 years, you know, I can't remember anymore. Yeah, when you mentioned, when you mentioned the radio going off, so obviously it wasn't, on the same station you guys were on.

Something was moving it. Was it that weird radio dial sound, you know, back in the day where you had to manually go from station to station? Yeah. Yeah, it was like you know, the static and weird noises coming out of it. Yeah, it

probably was something like it. It probably lasted 20 to 30 seconds like that when it went off. I don't know if it was in there messing with it. I would have thought if he was inside the tent unless he stood up, you know, was outside because I pretty well reached it before I even had to crawl all the way in

and messing with the dial. That's probably the best explanation that I could have. Either that or he was outside the tent and bumped it maybe and caused something to happen or... Yeah, it's still weird, though. Those batteries were dead. That's the part that throws me off. You know, and it's not...

They don't just come back or they don't have like a reserve where it kicks back on. I guess Occam's razor, you would say that would be the case. But what's weird is you'll hear about these Bigfoot investigators that'll go out in areas and they'll have cameras, they'll have different equipment set up, and then everything dies. Their cameras die. And it's weird because you'll... You'll hear that in a lot of ghost encounters. I'm not comparing ghosts to Bigfoot,

but that same type of thing happens to where cameras in your battery just magically die. Right. But it's weird to hear of a radio coming back on, you know. Yeah, yeah. What do you think it was doing? Just kind of pacing back and forth behind the tents, weird behavior. What's your take on what was going on? I figure, you know, it was curious.

You know, it didn't make no threatening moves out of us. You know, it didn't throw nothing out of us. It wasn't back there shaking on any brush or snapping any branches off. I personally think it was probably a juvenile back there curious. And I think the first whistle, Mama, was trying to call it away. Because after that radio went off, I mean, it had to scare him as much as it did us. I mean, this was loud. shrill, static-y noises.

I mean, real, real loud. And I think maybe he came back, you know, to investigate it again. And that's when Mamba maybe was down there making that whistle trying to get him to come back away from that. Yeah, and I think you're probably right. I mean, it kind of sounds like that. That is what was actually going on. It is fascinating behavior, though.

I think a lot of times you and I talked about this the other night, When you go out to areas where not a lot of humans go, generally there's more curiosity than there is aggression. When you go into areas where a lot of humans are known to be, whether it's hunting, fishing, whatever, there tends to be more aggression. And I gave you the example of Ron Moorhead, you know, they went up to the Sierra Camp. And there really wasn't a lot of aggression towards those guys, you know, and I think it's because no one really ever goes up there. And I almost wonder, you guys were in a very similar situation. It sounds like you were probably in an area not very many humans have been. Right.

Me and Bob that night when we were sitting around the fire, we figured, you know, we could have been only white men that ever had seen that lake because we were 33 miles from his closest neighbor. I mean, we're way out there. know, way out. I don't think they had ever seen people before. And that was all virgin timber out in there, too. Yeah, and a lot of people might be wondering about the knife. And I've noticed that with a lot of Canadians. I don't think, I think you need a special permit. I'm sure I'll have every Canadian email me now and explain it to me. But you don't hear of them going out in

the deep woods, you know, armed to the teeth like in the United States. And I think it's different laws. I could be wrong, but I think it's different laws. Yes, yes, it is. You're only allowed to carry a gun up there during hunting season. And you're not allowed to have a revolver or a handgun at all. They're completely outlawed, or at least they were back in 84, because me and my buddy, we talked about that. And he said the only time you can have a firearm out is during hunting season. So that's why we didn't have a gun or anything. He just carried that double-edged boot knife. Yeah, what do you, I know you and Bob have talked about it over the years. Is Bob kind of an agreement with, you know, might have been a young one kind of just curious on what you guys were doing? Yeah, he kind of figured

that but we talked a bit you know we've talked about this for the last 36 years i mean it's always there you know in the backs of our mind and yeah he he thinks that's probably what it was too but this thing was big was it wasn't small i mean when it was walking back and forth behind the tent i mean you could really hear them footsteps i mean they were pretty loud And it wasn't like a bear or deer walking, you know, how they kind of dragged their back legs. You know, you can hear the rustling and stuff. Yeah. It was walking on two legs.

And I know it wasn't a man because we're 33 miles from civilization. Ain't nobody going to be back in there, you know? Yeah. How did it affect you over the years? I mean, did you ever go back out like that in camp in the middle? of nowhere. I realize it wasn't an aggressive encounter, but I'm just curious how it affected you.

No, I didn't. I never went back, camp out, you know, that far back ever again. Me and Bob, Bob, he talked about going back because we left two beers there. We figured, you know, we'd leave

him two beers, and then Bob said he'd go back, you know, later and see if he took them. And I talked to Bob like year after that happened. I said, do you ever go back there? He says, hell no, Mark. He says, I ain't got the nerve to ever go back there again. And that was pretty well it. You know, I've been camping, you know, but never that far back. It only really bothered me that night. But it's always in the back of my mind. I mean, if we would have seen the creature,

Thank God we never. I don't know if I would have survived the night. But if we would have seen it, it probably would have had a deep effect on me. But I kind of wish, you know, later that maybe we would have spent, you know, the second night there. Because I'm pretty sure that next day we would have been able to see it. Yeah, usually it is. Usually they're territorial. I mean, I think in your situation, I think, I think,

I'm in agreement with you. I think it was curiosity on what you guys were doing and just more curious. I can picture you guys sitting around the fire, though, smoking cigarette after cigarette after cigarette. I mean, you feel like a prisoner at that moment because it's not like you can just get up and leave in the middle of the night. You know what I mean? Yeah, we were trapped. I mean, he had us cornered. You know, we were on that rock.

The only thing was the lake, and the only way out was going back up that little trail we had. you know, back up toward the tent because those older trees, they were just too thick down by the lake to even try and squeeze through them. So if we would have tried to get out of there, we would have probably had to walk right by. I think we made the right choice

spending the night there because, I mean, we were scared, but it wasn't trying to hurt us or anything. And when I was talking to Bob, there has been a bigfoot activity in a town up there uh canora and bob says we were only like 200 miles from canora so you know is it possible that they could have a range you know like that yeah i think so i think that the ranges are a lot bigger than people think you know that i told you the other day that one the only reason why i know it's the same one is everyone just

describes the same scar, the same coloring. And he's been seen down by the Columbia River, and then he's been seen up towards Mount St. Helens. I mean, you know, that's well over 200 miles. Oh, yeah. And so it's, I think that their range is pretty large, and that's, you know, obviously just my opinion. What do you think that they are, Mark?

What do you think that these creatures are? To me, it's a flesh and blood animal. they're very intelligent but I think they just you know survived you know when everything else went extinct I just think they they survived in

flesh and blood animal I don't think it's any more in that you know I know I've heard people say that they give off electricity glow in eyes and this and that would be one way that radio could have came back on, but I just can't believe, you know, that they're that way.

I think they're just a animal. Yeah, and that's a fair answer. Do you think one should be shot and brought in? No, no, I don't. Even if we would have had a gun, it would have had to attack us before either one of us would have shot it. I don't think, you know, one should be killed. But that's my opinion. I don't know how many there are out there.

I just hate to see it be killed, you know. Yeah, I respect your opinion. You know, it's, I always feel terrible because I have the opposite opinion. And, you know, when I hear someone like yourself say that, it makes me feel bad. And I always think, you know, wow, that's a good man talking right there. You know, and everyone has their own opinion. And that's the funny thing about this field is it seems like if you have a different opinion from someone else you can't get along with the other person and I just don't believe in that.

Otherwise, we'll never find answers, you know, but I do respect the fact that you wouldn't shoot one unless it was coming after you. Right. That's exactly, yep. It's a fascinating account. I really appreciate you taking the time, Mark. I know it's been all these years and it's been a thing between you and Bob that, you know, it happened to you guys and it's always kind of stuck with you.

But I appreciate you taking the time to come on and tell us what happened to you. I appreciate having me on, Wes. And if anybody ever, you know, that you talk to ever has any idea about what made that radio go on, we would love to know because that's the great mystery to me and Bob is that radio. You know, everything else, you know, we pretty well understand, except for that radio. I mean, just, you know, that's pretty well what really scared us that night was that radio. Yeah, the radio part's definitely a strange part of the encounter.

That's for sure, Mark. But I thank you again for coming on. Oh, thank you, Wes. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows.

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