Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:70 Down the rabbit hole

Episode Date: January 9, 2015

Tonight we are having a round table discussion with John (a retired police officer), Jack (a current police officer), and Ken (our insider). We will be discussing a government cover-up regarding Sasquatch. This is an interesting discussion because one of the police officers has had direct contact with representatives claiming to be from the Department of the Interior. We will be discussing personal Sasquatch encounters these guys have had and 9-1-1 calls they have been out to. Hang on because this is going to be interesting as the night takes a turn.   Visit us at www.sasquatchchronicles.com

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

You know, the look it was given me. What would hear you put in here? Here! Hello, sir. That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a mail, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their account.

Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Please visit us at Sasquatch Chronicles.com for uncut audio, extended shows, and much more. Tonight, we'll be having a roundtable discussion about government cover-ups related to Sasquatch. Our guest tonight are John, who is a retired police. police officer, Jack, who is a current police officer, and Ken, our insider from episode 67 and 68. Hang on, boys and girls, as we go down the rabbit hole. So, Will, why don't you start off and kind of go through?

What I'd really like to talk about tonight, guys, one of the, among many, is what's going on with Bob Garrett. And I got a late night phone call, and I can go into all that stuff. Ken, Ken knows about it, Will knows about it, but I can go into it. But I'll let you take it away, Will. Do you want to kick it off? Okay, what I'd like to do with Jack and John is to have you guys, and you both have had Sasquatch encounters.

So I kind of like maybe for each of you just to give a little background on, you know, what you do or have done professionally, and then tell us your encounter. You want to start with you, John? Yeah, that's fine. I'm currently a retired police officer. here and I worked for an agency here in Fresno County in California. And I worked for about 18 years and did various assignments from detectives to narcotics and other specialty units.

My first encounter actually happened when I was about eight years old. My dad always used to take us up to the mountains here. Oh, just east of us in the sierras. Oh, to cut firewood. And we've gone up several times before, and, you know, when we camp out, my dad never liked to camp near people. He always liked to kind of stay away from other people, so we avoided a lot of the campgrounds altogether.

So we would kind of drive back down some logging roads, find a good spot to set up our camp there. Then my dad would go out and look for firewood or cut down trees that we could cut up the next day and take back with us. Well, on this occasion that we went up, I was with my dad and brother, and we'd gone back, and we'd actually camped in the spot before down the logging road. And when we got there, we kind of dropped off all of our gear, and my dad wanted to go out and look for, oh, some trees to cut there. So all three of us kind of took off down the logging road, and we looked around.

Dad found a good tree to cut up for the next day. Well, he sent me back to the camper and wanted me to start setting up why him and my brother figured out how they were going to cut this tree up. So I wandered back down the logging road. As I got back towards camp, I kind of got that feeling that something just wasn't right, which could be anything when you're out in the forest there, especially being eight years old, even though I've gone up numerous times before.

So I proceeded to set up the camp there, and after I got most of it done, I was just kind of relaxing, and where we'd set up camp was kind of in a meadow area, probably, oh, I would say it was probably maybe 30 by 30 yards there, each direction. It wasn't too big of a, meadow area. So we had a tree line on the east side of the meadow area. Well, as I was sitting down

there relaxing, I heard something off into the tree line behind me just to the east. And I thought at the time it might have been my brother that was trying to, that he'd cut back through the forest area there and was going to try and scare me. So I got up from my feet and I kind of made my way towards the tree line there. And just as you get to this tree line, there's also with a lot of Manzanita and a few other bushes in there with the pine trees. And as I made my way to the tree line,

I looked through and I didn't see my brother, but what kind of caught my eye was is I scanned through a small clearing between these Manzanita bushes, I could see what appeared to be the back end of a bear. And that's what I initially thought it was. So I kind of, it was probably about, I would say, between 40 and 50 yards from me. So I was kind of watching it, and it's the first time I thought, you know,

I was seeing a bear in the wild. I'd seen them before, but not that close. And so I just kind of froze and was watching it. Well, all of a sudden what I thought was. was a bear, stood up. And when it stood up, of course, it cleared the height of this Manzanita bush that was kind of blocking the view of the other half of it. And that's when I kind of figured out it wasn't a bear that I was looking at.

And it put its right hand, it had its right hand against on the tree there where the tree was covering about the kind of the right half of its body, but it's right. right arm without holding on to the side of the tree. And its left arm was down close to its knee. Well, the one thing I noticed when it stood up, it didn't stand up fully straight. When it stood up, it was kind of, I guess, louched over. And I noticed the hand there on the tree. I noticed its left hand was making a movement kind of, it was close to its knee.

but it was swinging in a kind of left to right motion as it held onto this tree. Well, when I'd first seen this, of course, when I initially froze when I thought it was a bear, and when it stood up, now I really couldn't move because I didn't know what I was looking at. You know, I didn't know that whatever these things were had been up in, of course, the Sierra's there where I had been cutting wood with my dad. But the only thing that I could compare it to was it had very ape-like features to it. And as I froze when I stared at this, I finally was able to turn around and run back to camp. And when I got back to camp, I tried to explain it to my father, who kind of brushed it off.

and said, well, it was probably a bear what I saw. Well, of course, I explained to him. I know the difference between, you know, a bear and a gorilla. And this looked more and resembled more of a gorilla, plus it was standing on two legs. I want to say he, I guess he believed me a little bit in a way, but he didn't really, after this encounter, he really didn't talk about it too much with me. And after that, it took me a good, oh gosh, two. three years before I would go back,

uh, back out into the forest with my dad. And I would never go back out overnight. And I would kind of, my dad would, you know, and I would tell him, no,

I don't want to spend the night. And he'd kind of laugh about it, you know, make remarks about, well, maybe we'd see that, you know, the gorilla that you saw.

And that was kind of, that was my first encounter. Let me, let me do this, John. I don't mean to interrupt you, but we only have, uh,

Ken, for a short time. So we'll continue with that after. Sherwards, okay? Yeah. Wes, did you want to go ahead and start, kind of give the outline of what happened to Bob Garrett? And then we'll go into the discussion on that.

Yeah, thanks for sharing about that, John. I want to come back and have some questions for you on that. That's a great encounter. Most people know Jack's encounter. He's been on the show before. He was the police officer that was describing the guerrilla yinking the kid off the bike. and then everyone obviously knows Kenna is our insider. I got a phone call the other night from Bob Garrett.

And I don't know, John, if you're familiar with them. Jack, I think you're familiar with Bob. Yeah, I've talked to Bob several times. So what happened to, basically what happened to Bob Garrett is he's been a quote-unquote researcher for a long time. And, you know, besides Will, there's not, I can't think of anyone else right off the bat that would have as much information on these creatures. You know, Bob would be, you know, right there with Will. I mean, these guys just know a lot. And Bob constantly goes out into the field.

But he's down there in Texas. He's down towards the, what they call the big thicket area, East Texas. and what happened is make a long story really, really short. There's a lot more to the story, but the baseline of the story, he came across what he called a torn-up camp, and he filmed it. Now, what he had filmed,

there was a lot of things he had to take out of the original so that he could post it as part of an agreement. Basically, what happened is him and another gentleman they came across this camp. The camp itself looked like King Kong went through and destroyed it. The tent was all messed up. There was blood.

There was huge tracks. Trees that were just snapped in half. I mean, just kind of a horrific scene that he came across. Well, the first thing he did is he called 911. They never came out. So he decided to film it.

He was walking around. He started filming everything that he had seen. make a long story really, really short. The feds tried to throw Bob in prison over this film because he had posted it on YouTube. And they were trying to nail Bob with, you know, he was, what's it called when you get between a police officer and investigation, what's the term?

Interference. He was interfering with the investigation. He filmed a crime scene. He had disturbed a crime scene. I mean, one thing after another. after another after another they were trying to nail him with. And Bob had to end up getting an attorney and they fought it. And he kind of won.

There was some agreement that he would never speak about certain things that he saw. There were certain things, parts of the story that he would never discuss. They let him have his YouTube channel back. But what you see on YouTube wasn't the full uncut, what he originally put up on YouTube. So he's been having a lot of, and I've talked to Bob before in the past, and he's told me, hey, you know what, we get harassed every time we go out. And I go, well, what do you mean to get harassed? And he said, what's the, and this is long before Ken came along.

He said, the feds are constantly harassing us. We'll set up our cameras and they'll roll up almost over the top of our fire in their SUVs, it's either the DNR or it's somebody in law enforcement, handcuff everyone, walk around, take all the SD cards out of the cameras, question everyone for about two hours, and then let them go. And it's just, it happens over and over and over and over again with these guys. They just constantly are being

harassed when they go out. So we did a show the other night last week about, it was a episode 68 where we talked about the torn up camp and we talked about communication that was going on between different government agencies specifically relating to Bob. And it's up on our website, but we went into a lot of details about what actually happened kind of behind the scenes with Bob and that torn up camp and what actually really happened, which I knew most of the story. I didn't know all of it, but I knew most of the kind of what happened, you know, trying to get it

out of Bob is, you know, you'd have a better chance waterboarding, you know, a terrorist and getting information out of him than you would try to get something out of Bob. So he's, Bob's been really tight-lipped. Well, after that show aired, I got a frantic call from Bob and Tim Sermon. And it's probably the first time I've ever heard Bob rattled. I mean, he's usually like cool hand Luke. Like I just have never seen Bob rattled ever, whenever I have ever talked to him in the past. And what he told me was, and Tim backed this up, their YouTube channel's gone, disappeared. It's like his YouTube channel never existed. So he has no access to his YouTube channel. His Facebook account was deleted. That's gone. And he's trying to contact Facebook, and it's almost

like his Facebook account never existed. I believe his website was gone for a few days. I think it's backup, but his website was gone for a couple days, like it never existed. And then Bob was starting to get random text messages from, I think it was like 1-1-1-1-1-1. It was all ones. And he started getting these random text messages saying, remember the torn-up camp should have been you? It's obviously a threat.

But he's getting like random text messages. And the part that's disturbing is when I talk to Bob, Bob said that this isn't the first time they've done this. This isn't his first rodeo with this. After he did the torn up camp, same thing happened. His YouTube channel all of a sudden no longer existed. All his videos, his videos are gone.

I think his website came back up, but all the videos, everything, any real information on there is gone. His Facebook's gone. And he was telling me that this isn't the first time. After he filmed the torn up camp, they pulled the same crap on him. He's getting random text messages. His wife's being pulled over for no reason.

Basically, anytime she leaves the house, she's now getting pulled over. Didn't you say they got into his computer to and opened all his files? Yeah, that was the other thing is he was saying, oh, he's locked out of Blog Talk. He has a radio show he does on Sunday nights called The Big Thicket Watch, and they locked him out of Block Talk. and blog tech can't figure out what happened. It's like someone went in and just with regard to his password.

They said it looks like someone changed it halfway through and then almost like they decided not to do it, but somehow it took effect. So blog talk's having trouble even unlocking his account, so he can't even really get into blog talk at this point. And he was saying when he's on his computer, he'll be sitting there and sometimes the cursor will move on its own. I mean, this sounds like crazy talk

and if it was coming from anyone else besides Bob Garrett, I'd probably question it a lot more. But here I have Tim and I have Bob and, you know, and I completely respect these guys. And they're saying all these things. And his Facebook, all the things he said is true. All that stuff is gone. And, you know, I think Bob kind of prides himself on his YouTube

and, you know, his different social media outlets. I don't see him just wiping those out. I mean, this guy sounded really rattled. he was saying in his chat room there's a and i won't say the person's name will and i know her bob knows her but her name you know it'll be like first name last name and then the number 40 and in his chat room there was like 25 of them that showed up under the same name and they were all commenting it was like first name last name 41 first same first name last name 42 uh 43 44 45 and they were all

just making a mess of I mean this sounds like crazy talk I realize it sounds like crazy talk I get it but what I'm saying is no no no don't Wes and I can probably explain it a little bit the military dead operations

concerning computer software the T-Rex program can break into anybody's computer it can scan anybody's hard drive all they need is is as in IT and they'll go right to that one computer. The military has been doing this for the past 10 years.

Part of what Wes and I had talked about was the capabilities and different people at different levels have different capabilities, you know, like local law enforcement has certain capabilities with the federal government if they want in, they'll get in and they'll get in fast. That'll piss some of these website companies off because they pride themselves on security and not being able to get into accounts to delete an entry out of some of these different companies, you know, like Facebook and Google and stuff like that, is a very difficult thing to do

because of the failover, where they store the information, how many different servers it on. It just doesn't happen easily. I think the funny thing about this is that I think anybody that ever has seen Bob's video, they understand how serious it was. And when you think about what took place at that site, and the fact this guy was basically being a good Samaritan, you know, we talked about some of the laws that were quoted to protect Bob were basically good Samaritan laws.

This guy did what any decent person would do. They would go in, see if the person needed assistance. The fact that he videotaped it is actually better friend law enforcement because since it took them 16 hours to respond to the site, or almost 16 hours, local law enforcement was pissed off the fact that these people didn't want to go out there when it was dark. Think about that. Cops didn't want, or not the cops, whatever federal agency was going to respond,

did not respond until it was well after daylight. What does that tell you? Yeah, they definitely didn't want to get involved in that. And anyone that looks at that video can see that whatever tore up that brush, having seen the brush torn up firsthand myself, that didn't get done by a pickup truck driving over the campfire or any of the other crazy crap that was used. to try to cover that up.

Bob Garrett did what any decent Christian human being would do is go out, see if he could render assistance, and this is the response he gets. But part of the stuff about this that is amazing to me is that video is everywhere. Other people have it posted. They haven't done anything but try to harass a guy that I don't think is one I would want to harass.

you know, if this guy's got the guts to stand toe to toe with monsters like this, Wes is a little more polite by calling them creatures. I don't look at them that way. And this guy goes out and does this all the time with just a few people. Take gut. 2% of my audience are flute players, so I try to be sensitive to their... Wow. You're more sensitive than me.

It's just the stuff that I keep seeing is, and Wes will, you know how I feel, and I'm sorry, both you guys are law enforcement, but I didn't have good luck with the law enforcement where I live. Oh, trust me, my citizens in the town, I serve feel the same way. They've gotten to the point like, what the hell we paid you for? What do you tell us, Jack? Well, not to change the subject, but have any of y'all else heard that beat? Yes. We're being taped. I haven't heard of that.

That beeping sound, that's a tap. A tap does that. I don't hear a beep. I haven't heard it for a while. I have heard it for the last five minutes, but we've been tapped. I heard it back at the beginning, but, you know, I can tell you just, I don't have a lot of time, but I can tell you that, you know, there's a lot of people out there doing good work left Bob. And for you two to come forward and talk about this is amazing because the law enforcement

where I lived would not spend, as I stated, they wouldn't even leave their car. They would light up the entire area. they would hear this ruckus and this noise off in the distance, which clearly wasn't a person. And they had shotguns, they had M-4s, they had their sidearms. Trust me, that ain't enough. You almost need a damn M-1 tank. I know exactly what you mean.

I've been face-to-face. And I can tell you that to allow people to go into forested areas or wherever they may be and not give them proper warning of what's out there to me that's almost criminal in itself

and I did and you can ask you can ask Will me and him's talked about this several times and that is the one thing that I had stressed in my encounters with the feds is look I've got citizens I serve here. Yeah.

If there's a danger in a credible threat, they need to know. Jack, did you want to talk about that encounter? Which one do you want to talk about? Well, how it first began and where it went. Okay. Well, it started out as I was working on the MDP on a report, and I was pulled off the side of the road. and heard three whoops.

And at first I was thinking, nah, I can't be. And, you know, like five minutes later, I hear three more whoops further down this orchard where I was pulled up next to. Well, I didn't think much of it, you know, and I believe I even emailed you about that, Will. And then within probably two weeks of that, I was eating lunch with an ACL, an animal control officer. And she was telling me about a call that she went out on where there, you know,

suspected dog fight. She shows up to this abandoned trailer in this, you know, basically abandoned lot. And there's 15 or 20 pit bulls tore up. And I don't mean just tore up. I mean like their lower jaw was ripped from their skull. uh... linds were missing can i ask you how long ago did this take place roughly like three months ago

this will this is what i was talking about okay i'm sorry to interrupt go ahead so anyways and then it uh... you know as i was you know kind of trying to get a hold of the aco i wanted to hear more about this story uh... her supervisor got nasty about it i went to dispatch dispatch said they had no nine one one call but i remember the animal control officer telling me she talked to her neighbor.

So, you know, it's within my, what we call an ETJ, extra territorial jurisdiction. And I started calling through there and found exactly who she was talking about. You know, I said, hell yeah. There was a dog fight there. And the next thing I know, when animal control shows up, there's like 30 frigging fed cars there. Everybody from ATF to FBI, D-E-A, B-LM,

and, you know, other three-letter acronyms that are floating around in law enforcement. And that's not unusual where we're at because where I'm located is a big drug corridor. So it's not unusual to have ATA or DEA and FDA show up to a dog fund. Next thing I know, Fed show up at my office. Well, I get called out on a possible burglary show up. up and it was an older couple in their 80s. The old man said to him and his life were laying

in bed. It was like midnight. All and a sudden, he hear a crash, and he went out in the kitchen where he heard the crash. There's a rock laying on the floor, and the window in the kitchen was busted. So he's turning on the lights,

and he walks out the front door, and he makes it about five or ten steps out the front door, and just right off the floor, it's just damn things looking at him. a swipe at. And he just kind of turned to his right, and there it was. Didn't get him, just took a swipe at him. And then it kind of stood there, looked at him, and turned around and walked off back

across the road. Well, then that progressed to when I started following my report, these quote-unquote feds show up, not telling us what agency they're with. two guys. One was real super clean cut. I had on 511 trousers, a nice polo shirt. It's on a Sunday.

The other guy, I don't want to say he looked like a biker. He just, he was a little bit more on cap. Had a beard. Just a basic, you know, raddy old button-down shirt. Well, he was a jerk about the whole mess. You didn't see that. ain't what you took.

That ain't your report. The other guy's like, no, we understand, you know, playing good cop, bad cop. I'm like, you know, wait a minute. Time out. We're supposed to be autonomous from you. Now, what agency are you with? And it's right there with me and my boss, my chief. And it quickly got to the point where, you know, I told the gruff guy, look, I'll whip

your ass behind this building. I don't give a shit. You know, you're not going to come in here and take it. tell me how I'm going to run my business in my town. Needless to say, I got suspended for two weeks. Then I had a friend, he's a fellow, he's not a fellow officer, he's a deputy in the county that I'm in. He takes a report of a 15-year-old boy getting thrown off his bike. And apparently a kid thought he was being followed.

In the area where the kid was, there's not a lot of streetlights. The only place they have street lights is, you know, at, you know, like curbs in the road, where there's a big major intersection, there'll be a street light. Well, he stopped right there at the streetlight. Turn around and look, and there's a damn gorilla on all fours looking at him. Or at least what he thought was a gorilla. And then it dawned on him, I'm not looking at a gorilla. And the damn thing started flipping its lip up at him, bearing its teeth.

Well, the kid kind of freaked out. He starts taking off. Well, the damn thing grabs the bike, throws him off the bike. A kid didn't miss a beat, jumped to his feet, ran home. Scared to death. Well, my buddy, the deputy, takes his report. Gets a kid in the car. They go looking.

He said, well, show me where it was. The kid takes him to the spot. And they get to that area. And lo and behold, right next to the road, there's a salt seater, and there's his bike 10 feet in the air, hanging on a limb. So, you know, I'd ask Miguel, I said, what'd you find? Did you find anything significant hair or anything like that? He said, well, there's some blood on the back, but, you know, he said, I can't justify

taking a swap of it, sending them for a DNA test. There's no violent crime here. I said, I understand that. Well, later that week, we go out to the same area, and we're doing about five miles an hour. We get to the spot where that kid was, and we have to take the time. down lights on and I'm looking and I see eyeshine. Well then I said, you know, Miguel, go ahead and hit the spotlight.

Let's see what we can see. Well, that's when we've seen about eight sets of eyes looking at us at various heights. But everything was above six feet tall. Then we got roared at. And I think that was the night that I was, you know, texting you and Miguel had a... Right as it was happening. What happened about five or six weeks ago that was pretty significant? I got called out on a prowler call, made my turn around the corner, and there it was.

It was looking at me. It was about 10 feet away. I got a tack light on my sidearm, and my tack light hit it right mid-drift, and I started going up, and as soon as that light hit its face, that's when it threw an 18-inch-by-four-inch log-out, and just barely missed my head. And he wasn't happy to see me. Tell us back up a little bit. It's important about what happened after the night that you and the deputy had your encounter.

Well, that's when I got suspended that next day because I got called in to the office. And that's when they showed up and got really super nasty. And I got suspended for two weeks. my boss was concerned we were going to lose our federal grants, and we don't have many, and we're in a small municipality, so we have to depend on our federal grants. But my boss had an encounter. I was driving down the same road, damn near hit one. And later on, it was like 10 days later, he calls me up, and he said, I'll never doubt your word again.

I said, what do you mean? And he said, you were talking crazy. At least I thought you were talking crazy. And these guys about had me convinced. You know what was fascinating, though, is to that encounter, when they came to your office, they were present when you and the deputy had your encounter because they had tape and audio. Is that correct? Yeah.

I mean, they had, they showed me, you could see a faint outline behind my units of that creature when it roared at us. And it wasn't very far behind my patrol unit and seeing me take off. And I mean a clear picture of my face. And that was a wild thing. It actually picked up on the audio, oh, shit, he's right behind him. And, you know, tearing ass out of it. It got really, I mean, really interesting and a little surreal when they started showing that stuff to my boss.

And about had my boss convinced I was crazy. I'm sorry I took it in a different direction there. I just had the ability to look into some of that about five and a half or six weeks ago. I just wanted to confirm it was the same thing, which you just did. I appreciate that. But unfortunately, gentlemen, I got to step off. But how close was it to you when you were at your car there? It was probably at the most 10 feet behind my car.

and they had pictures of all of those. You couldn't see any detail of, and I'm taking it, it was an alpha that roared at us. You couldn't see detail. You could see, you could see hair, and you could see a big outline, but you couldn't see details.

What information, Ken, did you get on that incident? Pretty much the same thing, that there was a bunch of, well, we'll just say communications taking place. not a lot about specifics, just kind of dating times, kind of like the same thing with some of the other cases, but when I talk to you will, I just, you know, I don't get everything in real time,

I get it shown kind of afterwards, but a lot of the same, well, I've got to be very careful about what I say now after what happened to Bob Garrett, but that there was the problem, you know, that they keep quoting the problem and that they were having ongoing issues and they stated the location. I just saw that the last one was like five or six weeks ago, and when we had spoke about it first time, it was last week, which was, you know, I said four or five weeks back at that time.

I just wanted to confirm because a lot of those stuff that they talk about isn't like you would think. It's more or less that they're monitoring the situation, that, you know, cover story type stuff, what they're going to do to correct the problem. I just can't believe that they were there at the same time that you guys were. You had talked to them quite a bit after that,

so tell us what that interaction was. They made contact after, as a matter of fact, as soon as I had made contact with the creature, heard noise behind me. I was thinking, oh, shit, I walked into an ambush. I kind of stepped to my right. It was a turn and look. That creature was hauling butt back into the woodline.

Kind of bugered me. I just kind of stood there, didn't know what to do. And then the Grizzly Adams Biker dude shows up. And he's looking at me and he said, couldn't shoot, could you? I'm like, no. He just got to put his hand off. me and said, good man, have went after him.

But I could tell that there was more into the woodlock, because I could hear them. And now, these guys definitely softened up their approach to you after those initial couple of encounters, right? Yes. Well, actually, I'd seen them. They were running code in through our town without running with lights, and I pulled them over, and that kind of pissed them off.

And I went ahead, and I said, open up the back door, and they opened up the back door, and I got in. And I said, look, I can help you. Don't treat me like some red-headed, dumb stepchild. Let me help you. And I think that kind of ease things, the tension between us. And then after that encounter on Thanksgiving morning, they showed up to my office again the last time,

threw a packet on my desk, and I went through that packet, basically offered me a job to the extent of, you know, look, you know, we'll bring you on, you know, but you need to know all of this. And it's, it dates back to 1968 when they started, when they actually started, or 65, when they started taking this super seriously. They brought back a rocket. I can remember that document showing the rocket from Saigon to, I want to say Howard Air Force Base, but it's not Howard, it's Hickham out of Honolulu.

Right. And it went to Wake Island of all places, or no, Johnson Island. Went to Johnson Island. Well, Johnson Islands were the U.S. Army stores all its chemical weapons. And there was another incidence where they, I remember looking at this document where they talked about killing one in the Smoky Mountain Range, apparently a group of them had gotten to be quite the formidable force within the wood line. People were getting not just harassed, but people were getting hurt,

and they sent in some group operators to take care of it. And a team no less of, I know from my own personal experience, talking with a friend of mine that actually went after one, they're not going to go in with anything less than 12 guys. that's normally double the size of a regular special forces team right exactly you know it's you usually got six guys on a on a on a you know a combat team no they said they didn't double that let me ask you something real quick now up until this time these guys really didn't identify what agency where they were from right no no not until after they they had they had thrown that packet on my my desk and then I found out who they worked for They weren't for the Department of the interiors. Right. And before that, you'd actually photograph the back of their SUV

and ran the plates, right? Yep, yep. And that came back as DHS, Department of Homeland Security. Now, you had also said, too, was it shortly after that incident? You said you got suspended? Yeah. Yeah, after that one where they roared at me. Yeah, I got suspended on that.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the reason behind the whole suspension was that? Did it have to do with something they said? No, it was, the way I took it was, basically I was interfering with their investigation, is what they told my boss. And my, that was the reason my boss gave me was, hey, look, let me sort this out, just go on. And, you know, just take two weeks on. But isn't that your jurisdiction?

Yeah, exactly. You have primary, I'm supposed to have primary control and custody of that. Yeah, that's my jurisdiction. That's my primary patrol area. So it got, like I said, it got surreal. I couldn't believe it. As a matter of fact, after it happened, didn't I call you and tell you what happened? Or at least I emailed you.

I know that. Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah, I was like, you know, I can't believe this crap. And to this day, I still can't, but it makes more sense. The more I'm getting to see how these guys operate. they work for the Department of the Interior. They're almost autonomous from any other law enforcement

division, and they work without impunity, which is a scary thing. They don't, they answer to one group of people. Now, what group of people that is, I'm not sure. But they answer to one group of people. And I found out that they have

teams that go out, and they actually monitor their movement. If there's a problem, then they start they started addressing that issue. Poor John. John's probably like, hey, I was just here to share a childhood encounter. Like, what kind of show is this?

Yeah, what did I get into? Yeah, he's like, what's going on here, guys? No, and we'll get back to your encounter, John. Thanks for staying with us. I mean, to anyone else, if I wasn't in the position I'm in, and I'm pretty sure Will could say the same thing. Jack could say the same thing. If you're not part of these internal conversations,

this all seems like crazy talk. That's what I would think, if I was listening to it, I think these guys are crazy. But what's funny is that I know in episode 68, when we're talking about the conversations back and forth, and Ken kind of alluded to it, but it was coming from someone in Washington, state in the Department of the Interior talking to his counterpart in Texas. Ken had mentioned

the 16-hour time frame it took for them to respond. And it was like an argument they were having back and forth, but the emails were coming from the Department of the Interior. There, obviously everything's encrypted, but the, and I don't want to go into how, how we know that, but the, it's amazing. It's coming from, it almost seemed like. someone in Washington State was kind of running the show for someone down in Texas, and it was all the Department of the Interior. Just kind of a side note. I know you had mentioned that, Jack, about the Department of Interior,

but it's like all these emails. It was either going to Bureau of Land Management, advising them what to do. It was going to the Forestry Department, advising them what to do, and all is coming from the Department of the Interior. And the Department of Agriculture is involved in us, too. Well, and the problem is that like Forestry Service, DLM, federal game, fishing game, what else, to some degree, the agricultural department all fall under the Department of the Interior.

And that's what's wild. So the direct line is from A to B to C, the Department of the Interior. and a lot of these other departments like DOD, DOJ, Department of the Interior, all have to at some aspect answer to Department of Homeland Security. I want to ask you real quick about the conversation that you had with these gentlemen, if you'll go into it, kind of what, how the conversation was with these guys. What did they seem to want from you? What did they, can you talk a little bit about your conversation?

Because we've had a lot of previous guests. Actually, a lot of police officers, believe it or not, and a lot of police officers in the past have said that they've come across these guys. But I don't think I've ever heard anyone have in-depth conversations like you have with these guys. I don't think a lot of police officers. Well, like that one cap from Missouri, I don't think you really realized who he was dealing with until it was too late. and then he lost his job. I was fortunate enough and still am fortunate enough.

I've got a boss that is very supportive of me, former military himself, and he's about as hard-nosed as I am when it comes to somebody coming up telling him what to do. It kind of pisses him off like it did me. And then when he had his own experience, he's like, okay, you're not nuts. Something's going on.

the whole gist of the original conversation was you need to stop what you're doing that isn't what you saw well then it progressed to after I've taken their picture

stopped them approached them saying hey look you know why are you running code and not running them with lights well we're in a hurry yeah you're supposed to use your lights you know why don't you just open the back door and let's have a talk and that just of that conversation was

hey look let me help you well you know you're not briefed into this. Your security clearance has been outdated. Let's back up quick so most people don't understand. You pulled these guys over, which takes a huge set of balls. They're speeding through your town. I got a lot of balls. I don't always have a lot of brains.

Right. So for people listening who understand, who didn't quite catch that, Jack pulled these guys over for speeding. I can barely get it out without laughing. You pulled these guys over for speeding. Go ahead. Yeah, they were running code through town, but they weren't using lights.

And they were doing, if I remember right, it was like 93 and a 55. And where we're at, that's perfectly legal as long as you run with lights. You can do that if you're, you know, running with lights, what we call running codes. They weren't running. code. I pulled them over.

Yeah. Screw them. What the hell are they going to do? They can't fire me. They just persuade my boss to fire me and he's going to back me up on this one. So, you know, that's when I said, you know, hey, look, open the back door, let's talk about this. And, you know,

that whole gist of that conversation was is let me help you. Let me, you know, look, I'm here all the time. I know the area. Let me help you. Well, you're not briefed into this. and your security clearance has long since been outdated.

And that's true. That's absolutely true. I'm like, look, you can brief me right now. Well, what was spooky was, they opened up, they had an onboard computer, you know, mobile data terminal. They opened it up, and they started pushing buttons. Next thing I know, they had my file from the military, which was spooky. I'm like, how did you get that? And they started rattling off, you know, well, you were at this operation.

in 2003 and you were part of this operation in 2004. And what about this in 19, October 93? I'm like, yeah, what about that? Well, says, Harry, you lived through a near ambush. That's true. I did. Thought one of my best friends took around in the face. Thought it blew his brains out.

Well, you know, we'd have to get approval on this one, and we're not going to do that. And you've caused enough trouble as it is. I'm like, all right, well, your choice. I'm going to let you go because you're, quote unquote, supposedly fellow law enforcement, I'm not going to write this up. But just think about what I offered. Well, then it progressed to when I had my encounter on the prowler call, and, you know, Grizzly Adam shows up and, you know, basically said,

you couldn't shoot him, could you? And I'm like, no, I couldn't. And the spooky thing was that here's a God's honest truth about it. The one thing that ran through my mind was, besides the fact, that he looked way too human. What am I going to do if there's more than one around and I kill this thing? Because at this point, it's just me. I got no backup.

So, you know, that was my thought process on that night. When did they talk to you next? That was that following Friday night. So, you know, that happened on Thanksgiving morning. I was back to work Friday night. And what went on during that conversation? That's when they threw the packet on my desk and started telling me about, well, we're going to offer you a job. You know, we're prepared to offer you a position with us.

Explain how the teams work. All the teams have an anthropologist. All the teams have a primatologist. All the teams have a wildlife biologist attached to it. There are 100 killer teams that they enforce. but they are members of the United States military. And they're only used when they're absolutely needed. They don't explain how it all started, the inception of what had happened.

Apparently, it all goes back to even the Patty film, where they couldn't even, the problem that they couldn't get a hold of the Patty film was was because Bob Gimlin and Roger Patterson had already left the area before they had a chance to get there. And I might add on that one, there was a gentleman who worked for the Forest Service who happened to show up there the very next morning and took photographs.

And I always wondered how he knew where that film site was. It's not very easy to locate. And yet he shows up there the very next morning. That's the exact spot. That's spooky. He knew exactly where it was. So, and it's, you know, me and you talk about this. They're doing exactly what we had done.

And what you've been doing for years, you know, they're tracking their migration patterns. They don't particularly per se migrate, but they definitely have a nomadic lifestyle. Absolutely. They'll go from feeding ground to feeding ground to feeding ground to feeding ground. Right. It's not migratory. It's within their range how they move. Yeah.

And, well, you know, and I was talking with Eric Garcia, and right now in the Four Corners region, they're having a real problem with that they have a breeding population that has decided to stay. And that's a real issue because people are starting to come up missing. People have actually had their houses busted into. And my advice to Eric was, hey, look, you know, I'd be telling Brenda, I wouldn't be going.

out unarmed. I don't care what the tribal elders say. You know what? You need to go out and you need to go out armed. And don't punch around with these things. I wanted to ask you, do you feel like the information they gave you was legitimate information or did you feel like you were kind of held on a shoe string to kind of keep you either aid to get information? This is my thought process. because at first I said, you know, I've got to think about this guys. You know, and I kind of like being a small town cop. And, you know, right now, if you want an answer right this minute, I'm going to have to tell you no.

I like what I do. I said, but my personal belief is, if you're withholding information about a dangerous, possible life-threatening animal that is within my city boundaries or within my extraterritorial jurisdiction, that will put my citizens in danger. I am duty-bound to tell them. They need to know this.

Well, you know, we can't do that. You know, we got some other mandates that we have to abide by, and you just can't do that. I think what they were doing was either they were scoping me out for information or they wanted to find out how serious I was about this whole subject. Oh, and on a side note, Now, they mentioned they listen to this show, is that correct? All the time.

All the time. They said, yeah, we listen to William Jebning and West Gerber all the time. I'm like, wow, okay. You know, it's funny. And we know when you've been on. Yeah, I'm sure they do. My first questions to them would have been, what's the salary and what's the retirement package but I guess I'm going to hell so

no I asked them that I said what are you offering and they said that we'll start you out as as a GS level 7 or 9 I can't remember which uh me and me and will have talked about it's you know it's I mean it's not peanuts it's actually pretty decent money but uh apparently mr black's like dude they should offer you a GS level 12 Yeah, he said they should have made you a much better offer than that if they were serious. Yeah, and that was my whole point was, I think they were just kind of scoping me out for information. They wanted to find out exactly how serious I was. Well, that's the funny part is that you can tell when you're talking to a good man,

and he starts saying, well, what about the safety of the people? Then you can tell when you're talking to someone like me, and I've been like, how much does it pay and what's the retirement? John, what do you think about all this? I already know what the retirement is. I already know what the retirement is. I'm not stupid. I work for the federal government for 25 years.

I know what the retirement is. Let's get John's input. What do you think, John? Well, one of the things that bothers me is that local law enforcement seems to be standing down in some ways to these guys. And like, you know, Jack was saying there that, you know, pulling them over there in the city because they were speeding through was perfectly legit. You know, you get a lot of guys in unmarked cars or parole agents that you don't know their law enforcement are related there so you actually pull them over and they identify themselves. You know, in your jurisdiction, if you're out there handling the calls that one of the bosses or whoever with that jurisdiction should be kind of. maybe stepping up and saying, hey, these guys are, you know, they're interfering with my law enforcement

here in this town. If you guys want to come in and police this town, by all means, go ahead. But they need to be more forthcoming with, you know, the chiefs of, it really doesn't matter which whatever departments they're in there. But, you know, suspending guys, you know, for doing their job there, there's going to be some backlash, you know, of lawsuits or, you know, you know, of other personal type of inquiries. Yeah, it makes me wonder with these feds coming in and just kind of stepping on everybody's toes and some degree, especially with cases like Bob Garrett, you know, downright violations of civil rights and things. I mean, I can see some real problems with this.

Right. And now he said earlier that his wife was also, she was getting harassment from local law enforcement where they live. Yeah, what was basically happening is she was getting pulled over for no reason. Anytime she left the house, she would be pulled over. They would kind of harass her, where are you going to? Where are you coming from? Just, you know, and she'd be like, well, why are you guys pulling me over? And they never really would give her an answer.

And it was going on constantly. And that's the other thing is that's what bothered Bob more than them harassing him when he goes out on these, you know, different, and I'll tell you a little bit more about it, John. He goes even further than that. Like, I don't think, yeah. I don't mean to interrupt. I got an emergency call.

I got to go attend to. It's 911 hang up. I got to go to. I apologize, I got to bow out. Y'all have a great rest of the evening. I'm going to have to follow up on this on the radio later on, okay? All right. Sounds good, Jack.

All right, thanks, man. Y'all take care. We recorded the show last night. The 911 call Jack was sent out to What's to an Abandoned House. Hang on for the next episode as we continue this conversation. Again, please visit us at saskwatraunicles.com.

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