Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:709 The Mogollon Monster

Episode Date: November 21, 2020

Ron shares an encounter he had on the the Mogollon Rim. The Mogollon Rim is a topographical and geological feature cutting across the northern half of the U.S. state of Arizona. It extends approximately 200 miles (320 km), starting in northern Yavapai County and running eastward, ending near the border with New Mexico. It forms the southern edge of the Colorado Plateau in Arizona. Ron describes being stalked for most of the night around his camp by an unknown creature. https://sasquatchchronicles.com/sc-ep709-the-mogollon-monster/

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. What's... They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

It sounded like a language and they were chumtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw were bears. What's... What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a bounce, sir?

Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh. This is Cindy from Virginia, and you're listening to the one and only Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. We're going to be chatting with Ron, and Ron had an encounter on the Maggium Rim there in Arizona. Most people are familiar with the Maggion Monster, and Ron definitely ran into it that night.

A very terrifying night. I'll let Ron describe the encounter. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Ron to the show. Ron, thanks for coming on.

Thanks for having me, Wes. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here, Ron. and I know your encounter took place on the Magian Rim there in Arizona. Several years ago, this happened to you. And I'm curious, prior to this encounter, what was your feeling regarding Bigfoot Sasquatch prior to your encounter? I didn't believe in it. I thought it was, you know, thought it was basically a hoax.

I mean, I'd heard the stories of the Mugian monster ever since I was a kid growing up in Arizona. I didn't believe it at all. And that, that, that, you know, because of that, I didn't, I didn't know what I was, what I, what was going on at the time it took place. I gotcha. Well, if you would to kind of walk us into your encounter. So it happened in Arizona, kind of take us back to that moment. Tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened. Okay.

What happened, I left work on Saturday night about 10.30 and went and picked up a friend of mine, and my car was already loaded up and went to his house and grabbed his stuff real quick. We probably made it up to the camp spot somewhere around 1.30, I think. I mean, I was really familiar with this area. So was Mark who was with me because I'd been up several times with him. And all my family members. had been in the area and stuff like that with me on weekends and, you know, going up there to get out of the heat and fish and camp and stuff. You know, we got up there and Mark picked out this spot that was really unusual. I mean, nobody camps there. I never camped there. We normally camped, you know, probably four or five hundred yards away from it up into the forest. And he wanted to camp there for some reason. And, you know, I went along with it. But, uh, you know, I, I went along with it. But, you know, we were camping on a trail that led down into a canyon, and it was dirt and gravel. It wasn't grass or anything like that.

It looked kind of uncomfortable. So we pulled our bags out because it was so late we didn't unload the car or anything like that. We pulled our bags out and threw them down on the ground. And we had a flashlight and Mark's rifle with us. and you know I saw Mark he loaded the rifle I mean I'm not I'm not a gun person by any stretch of the imagination I'm a fishing kind of guy and he loaded the gun with flashlight and took the safety off and said okay there's one in the chamber it's ready to go and he laid the the gun above our heads and he was there was a pile of rocks in between us in between our sleeping bags And then we settled down. And then a short time later, I could hear walking down in the canyon. I could hear the strides.

I could hear it, you know, the sand being, you know, munched along the creek, so to speak. And I could tell it was, you know, it was coming towards us. And then a short time after that, it crossed the creek and then came up the trail. And, you know, when I heard somebody, walking in the canyon. I thought it was somebody that I had met up there previously, and the guy had retired in Strawberry, Arizona. He'd actually gave me some fishing tips there. I'd run into him several times, really nice guy. And I thought, you know, this has got to be him. But the footsteps, they sounded long. And this guy wasn't that tall. He's several inches shorter than me.

And they sounded pretty heavy, which, you know, I'm thinking, all right, somebody's coming up from fishing. And, you know, I had brought all my gear. It was in the car, but, you know, I thought I'll get a fishing report from whoever this is. So I'm sitting there, and I'm less than 100 feet from the trail. I mean, if it was 100 feet, we'd have been in the canyon. You know, it had been out in the canyon or whatever, you know, off the cliff, so to speak. And I used Google Map to, because I remember exactly where we were camped. And I used Google Map as a, to determine the length, how far away I was later.

And so I'm sitting there and I can hear it walking up the trail. And I'm just, you know, fixated on this person coming up because I want to find out, you know, what is the fishing like, really? So I'm just fixated on the end of the or the top of the trail where it goes into the canyon. And then I see this black form stride up right in front of me. And there was moon. I don't remember how much moon exactly there was, but there was certainly enough that, you know, I could see my car. And, you know, it was within 100 feet from where it was parked along the road.

but this black thing just strided right up to the top of the trail and it turned and it was directly in the moonlight at that point and it turned right into me. I mean, like face to face and we're probably, I guess, 90 feet away or something like that. And as soon as it turned into me, you know, I'm sitting up in my sleeping bag waiting to greet somebody. And it turned right into me and then it was startled. I mean, I seen it was a solid black outline. But in the moonlight, I could tell that I could see a, I guess you'd call it, an abdomen, a chest, and a face feature. And as soon as it's seen me, it was startled and it slid in the ground. I heard its feet slide in the gravel.

I've seen it shake. you know, like if you sneak up on somebody and scare them, this responded the same way, and it slid into the shadows because there was a tree at the top of the trail, and it slid part way into the shadows, and it just remains stiff as a board. It didn't move at all. And I was just staring at it for several minutes, and I didn't say anything to it. I didn't say, hey, how's the fishing or anything? I was just, this wasn't what I expected to come up the trail.

I was expecting somebody carrying a fishing pole, a tackle box, and a, you know, a flashlight. Because it's just too dark to walk in the bottom of that canyon or even to find that trail would be hard. I was just mesmerized by what I was looking. at but the fact that it wasn't moving because i mean i could see before it hit the top of the trail i could see the other side of the canyon i could see rocks on the other side i could see trees on the other side and this thing filled this i mean it just filled my you know picture of vision there and and i could see this this looked like a big black door solid black door that was probably about eight foot at the shoulders, and it was probably about four feet wide,

and it looked like it had a backpack on top of it, on top of the door. And this, I wasn't ready for it. This was the last thing I expected, and I just stared at it. And I could tell it was looking at me. It obviously seen me, and I just kept standing. staring and staring. And then I'm like, am I really seeing this? Is, you know, are my eyes playing tricks on me?

And I don't know how many minutes I just sat there. And then I thought, maybe I'm not seeing this. You know, and I was just wondering what happened. And, you know, after a few minutes, I laid back down in the sleeping bag. and and I was just thinking like that that was so strange and and I wasn't on the ground more than a few seconds and then all of a sudden I heard the gravel moving again and I heard it moving and it sounded like it was moving you know right at me right at me and my friend and then you know at that point I realized okay I seen something I heard something something's going on here and I sat back up real

fast and I'm just looking, you know, panning the area. There's three pine trees right in front of me and they're about right around, I want to say 30 feet away at the most according to Google Maps. And it's dark underneath them, but behind them, it's behind the trees. There's a clearing there and it's well lit. And, you know, I'm just looking, you know, around in front of me, just panning back and forth to my left and right. And I didn't see anything. And then I looked directly in front of me at the tree, the closest to me. And that's where it went.

It went up and was trying to hide behind the tree. And it was bigger than the tree. It was like it could not hide its whole body behind the tree. So I'm looking at it now. And now I'm kind of, you know, I'm looking at a. at a head that's sticking out at about, I guess, a normal person's level right around six feet or something like that off the ground. And it's looking at me. And at that point, I kind of freaked.

I told my friend, I said, you know, get up. There's someone in the camp. And he didn't move. And then I got agitated. And I started, you know, kind of like, you know, when you talk to someone and you grit your teeth, you know, like get up. Yeah. And I was speaking rather loud, you know, like, get up, you know, like right now. And he didn't move.

And so I started chewing on him, get up, you know, and he didn't move. And I, then I was, you know, like, you know, this is not good. and then it stepped out from behind the tree and that's and then it foot it stood fully upright at that point and the level at what I was looking at was probably the level of like I'm six foot and I think I was looking at about that level and as it stepped away from the tree I could see its entire outline, you know, like if you see somebody walking in front of a street light, not behind it, but in front of it, you can see the outline of that person, even though you can't tell who they are, so to speak. And I've seen this black shadow step right out of the tree, but

when it stepped out from behind the tree directly in front of me, it was covered with black hair. I mean, from head to toe, it was jet black, and it went all the way down. I mean, what I was looking at was probably below the shoulders, and there was hair sticking out the back of it, going all the way down. And, yeah, that just fried my circuits at that point. I yeah I had no idea what to think at that point it was like I just

took a bus to crazy town and got off you know I was just blown away and I remember sitting there thinking because my friend wasn't moving I just thought you know what's going on here and

and who would believe this story, you know, that something walked out of a canyon at 2 o'clock at night in the dark and was covered with hair on the Muggyon Rim. And as it walked, you know, now I'm tracking it, I can see its whole outline. And it walked to the farthest tree to my left or to its right, which was within like 45, feet and then it turned and just looked at me and stood there in the in the dark and i can see its whole i could see its whole outline uh and it's just solid black i remember it was blacker than any of the the shadows it it was it was just black uh and then it stood there looking at me and then it walked back to the first tree again and then stood there and looking stood there looking at me and you know I I I think I was just lost I was like what what is going on here and

and and then I grabbed the rifle and and it started walking back again to the other the other tree and it it just kept doing this and and it it wasn't attacking it you know it didn't make anything other than the walking sounds. I couldn't hear it breathing, nothing, but it just kept walking back and forth in front of me like I was being stalked or like we were being stocked. And I had the rifle, and I'm just watching it. And then minutes later, I was starting to calm down enough

to realize, all right, it's not going to attack me or it doesn't appear to be and I have this gun what what is going on I mean it walked out of the canyon it's seen me it it doesn't have a flashlight it it you know exactly what's going on here but I thought perhaps you know maybe the gun is keeping it away or whatever. I mean, you know, if a police officer or a gaming fish, you know, walked into your camp like that in the middle of the night and, you know, and spoke to you or said something, you know, perhaps I would respond or whatever, but, you know, you're supposed to have clothes on. Yeah, this thing's just kind of storming around the camp the whole time that

you're there then. I mean, it's not really, it's not coming at you, but it's kind of observing you from a Right. It's just walking back and forth in front of me. And, you know, I started to, you know, my senses started coming to me a little bit and I remembered what happened to some friends of mine up on the, on the Muggan previously. And I knew them both really well. I'd been out camping with one of them since we were kids and had camped with the other one as well. But they had got jumped. in their camp when they were deer hunting or they were elk hunting one or the other, but they got beat up and had everything stolen from them. And all I can think of, all I could think of at the time was the only reason for this person to do this is he's trying to draw my attention that there's got to be somebody, you know, I'm sitting there holding a gun. There's somebody else has got to be involved.

Nobody is this crazy. This just doesn't make sense. And I started thinking that there's somebody behind me. And, you know, and they never caught the guys that did that to my friends. But all I can think of is I'm being flanked. You know, there's got to be somebody else. Nobody else is just crazy to do this, you know, to approach somebody like this. that's holding a loaded firearm.

And I started looking back behind me into the forest. Like if is somebody approaching me from the rear? And I was below the road a little bit, probably three or four feet. So I sat up and I started pointing the rifle back towards the forest hoping somebody wasn't back there. And then I would look back at this guy and the, I guess you call him the stalker in front of me. And he's just walking back and forth. And I'm on my sleeping bag.

I haven't got off the sleeping bag. At no time did I ever stand up. I just poke my head up. And, you know, I was trying, if there was somebody in the forest behind me, I was trying to let him know, I'm aware of you. And I have a rifle. But at the same time, because I was below the road, I didn't want to become a target either. So, you know, I've never had any law enforcement training or any, you know, never had the, never, never served in the military. So I'm sure they would have handled this, you know, better than I did.

But I just kept, you know, going back and forth between watching the guy and then looking back in the forest. And then after a while, you know, it, I thought. or realize that this guy's not going to, you know, the guy in front of me is not going to jump me. You know, the threat is from the rear because this makes no sense. Why, you know, why this was taking place, why this walking back and forth. And, you know, that, and it's gigantic and it's covered with hair. And it can walk around without flashlights. This just blew my mind.

And so I just, I started concentrating on what might be coming up from behind. And this went on, Wes, for over two hours. This walking back and forth and backing, back and forth. It, you know, it was, you know, I guess I felt every emotion from anxiety to fear to anger. Because I didn't know how this was going to turn out. None of it made absolutely any sense whatsoever. And, you know, about an hour before sunrise, it turned and, you know, it turned its back on me and walked down the trail and down the canyon. And, you know, I could hear it steps going down the trail, you know, crossing the creek, and then I could hear it walking away.

And then I couldn't hear it anymore. And, you know, I felt relieved that it was leaving, that it left the camp. but the same time I thought, you know, this is, you know, this is when we're about to be jumped. I, you know, I was, I was pretty nervous, but I just laid there looking, you know, back towards the forest. You know, I knew that I had this gun couldn't leave my hands. Even though I'm not a gun person, I mean, the gun never felt comfortable in my hands. You know, I wanted my friend to wake up so I could give him the gun. is really what I wanted because I knew he could handle it much better than I could.

And I just laid there just staring behind me as, you know, I was below the road, but I was just watching and listening for anything moving in the forest, and I didn't hear anything. And then right as the sun started to come up, I mean, right when it started to get light, I yelled at my friend. I said, the son's coming up, and then he sat up, and he threw the sleeping bag off of him. And he said, what was that? And I was like, oh, you were awake? And he said, yeah, what was that?

And I said, no, who was that? And he said, no, what was that? And that was, for me, that was so odd because he never seen it. I did. I mean, it every, Wes, everything about it remind or told me that I was dealing with a human. I mean, the way it walked, the fact that when it got to the top of the trail

and it turned right into me and it, you know, it reacted human in as much as that it tried to hide. I mean, it concealed itself from me to a point that I thought perhaps my eyes were playing tricks on me and, you know, and laid back down. But everything told me this was a human. And that's why I thought it was so weird is because I watched this. I'm the one who watched it, and he didn't. And, you know, we had the flashlight there with us, and it was on the other side of Mark.

I had to crawl over some rocks and then over top of Mark to grab the flashlight. Because, you know, I for a while there, I wondered why I didn't grab the flashlight. But, you know, had I climbed over Mark, he'd have probably leaped up, grabbed the rifle and shot everything in the forest. Because I could tell he'd never slept at all. He was freaked. You know, I just told him this trip is over. And, you know, we grabbed everything and just. jumped in the car and we left. We went all the way back to Phoenix. I mean, this trip was done

in less than eight hours. Yeah, it's a terrifying account, man, especially when you're not really sure what it's going to do or how it's going to react. Do you think the creature knew you're awake and you were watching it? Oh, no, no, there's no doubt, no doubt. I'm sitting up there with a rifle in my hands. Now, I never pointed the rifle at it, but I made it obvious. I have a rifle here in my hands, and it's just walking back and forth looking at me. I mean, if it could see me, when it hit the top of the trail, it obviously seen me well enough that it was trying to hide from me. It was like, you know, you're not supposed to be here, and it, you know, and it reacted in that way. So he could see me because, you know, I didn't have any trees that were blocking me.

I was in the moonlight. But there's no doubt he's seen me. Absolutely no doubt. One of the other questions I want to ask you, you know, you're basically describing a monster, really, eight feet tall. You know, your average description, and these things are huge. When people say eight feet tall, I don't think it quite does it justice until you stand next to something that's eight feet tall. hair covered, but then you also describe human. Now, you did a pretty good job articulating in that, but I'm curious, are you talking human based on its reaction and how it was moving?

I mean, it's on two legs, and did it kind of move around like what you would describe as a human? I'm kind of curious why you say human. Yeah, because it walked on two legs. There was no way it was a bear. I just shot it if it was a bear. And I'm guessing. the only reason I didn't shoot it was because it I thought I was dealing with a human that it just defied explanation. Maybe somebody trained, somebody, you know, good with a firearm might have responded to it differently, but I thought, you know, if I shoot this, I'm shooting, I'm shooting a person. Yeah, I get what you mean. Yeah, I was just kind of curious. You know, that event coming up the trail and then kind of seeing you guys in that shock look.

In my mind, as you were telling that portion, I was thinking of, you know, like, someone's surprised, like if you're in a room or something and they kind of jump back for a second. Is that kind of its reaction when it first saw you? Yes, that's exactly what happened, meaning, you know, somebody walks into something. some room and they don't want to be seen and you're standing there right in the direct line of sight and then they try to slide out of the way and in this case it slid back into you know the part of the shadow underneath the it had the presence of mind to do that and and and and I just couldn't figure out why are you trying to hide from me you know I you know uh yeah it it it blew my mind yeah and you hear a lot of times where they do seem to resemble humans or have human-type reactions.

I'm very curious on the behavior of it, kind of stalking and hovering the campsite all night. What's your take on that? What's your feelings on why you did that? Because we were between him and the other campers. The other campers were up the road. We passed them coming in a ways. And I could smell camp, you know, some lingering campfire smoke and, you know, coming from the forest behind us. I'm, you know, I'm only thinking that, you know, it uses this trail and nobody, and no, and, Wes, I've been there that, that spot probably close to 50 times.

And I never seen anybody camp there. And probably it responded like it had never seen anybody there either. And like nobody was supposed to be there. And, you know, for a couple of years afterwards, when I'd go camping, I would wonder what, you know, what was this person expecting or whatever. But, you know, I figured stuff out. We could get to that a little bit later. but I just thought in retrospect now,

I think it was saying, I don't want to see you here tonight. And, you know, you're not supposed to be here. You're in the way. And I'll never sleep on a trail again in a forest in my life. Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame me at all, man. One of the other questions I want to ask you,

what was the conversation with Mark like? So you guys get in the car, you guys leave, you guys head back towards Phoenix. And what was that conversation like all the way back to Phoenix? It was just mostly silence. At first, it was pretty, you know, it was pretty intense. Like, you know, why didn't you help me? Why didn't you get up? And he just kept asking, what was that?

And, you know, I told him, it was. was a person. And the whole covered with hair, the whole size, anything, I, you know, when I first seen the hair and, you know, when it stepped out from behind the tree, I didn't think anybody would ever believe me if I told them exactly what I saw. And I never told anyone that story until, until I figured out what it was. years later and I I basically kept it to myself and Mark never told anybody about it. He never told his wife, nobody. But I mean there was some other stuff that happened up there on the rim previously to this happening that I had no idea what it was or what you know what trans you know what exactly

caused my friend to act like that but what what kind of other stuff what do you you talking about? Well, a couple months before that, I was up with two other friends, and James and Mike. And Mike had never been camping before. This is like his first, you know, maiden trip, so it made a voyage into the forest, so to speak. But James I'd been out with before. And we were camped about 500 yards from this spot, directly due south into the forest from the canyon. And, you know, we drove up there and set up camp in the afternoon. And we were there for a couple days. And I had a new car. It was kind of a smaller, compact, sporty kind of car. And James brought his vehicle. And it had an open bed. And we needed that, excuse me, to haul all the camping

gear up for three guys. I couldn't put all the camping gear in my car and put all three of us in it. So we took two cars and we went up there and we were about 500 yards away from this spot. So we were all set up, all set up for camp. And, you know, as it was starting to get dark, I asked James and Mike if they'd ever been snipe hunting. And that's kind of a joke that we do. What snipe hunting mean? Well, snipe is a bird that doesn't exist in the forests of Arizona. But people that don't know any better, we tell them about it. And there's different ways of snipe hunting and stuff like that.

But what you do or what I had James do, I figured because this is Mike's first trip out, I'm not going to do this to him. But I had James, you know, we walked away from the camp. We actually were probably about two or three hundred yards from that spot where, you know, that happened to me and my friend where it walked out of the canyon. You know, we walked away from the camp towards the canyon, but we were still in the forest. And I had James take his pillowcase and his flashlight and stand there in the forest and hold the flashlight, you know, shine it down into the pillowcase. and I told him that me and Mike were going to chase the, going to go, you know, a couple hundred yards away and chase these birds, these delicious tasting birds that don't exist.

And we were going to chase them and they would run into the pillowcase because they always run after the light. And as we're walking away from James, I'm telling, you know, Mike this story. I'm letting him in on the joke. and so we get a couple hundred yards away from James and the whole thing was is we were going to circle back to the camp and just start dinner and James was going to sit out there

with the flashlight. And that's really the joke. And there's other variations of it that people do and stuff, but this was the more benign version. So we're standing there and we start to circle around back towards the camp. you know, we're watching James, we can see the flashlight, you know, and the pillowcase and everything, and we're kind of giggling about it. And then all of a sudden, James stood up and then turned to his right and

shine the light behind him. And I didn't see what he shined the light at, but the next thing I know, he ran, I mean, ran all the way across the forest, back to the camp, jumped in his car, started the car up and screeched and left. And me and Mike just thought, well, that's, you know, that's really weird. You know, we were joking about, you know, maybe he's going to go find a bathroom in some campground or something. You know, this was really strange. And so we walked back to the campsite. James is gone and he didn't come back.

He drove all the way back to Phoenix. and left us. And, uh, uh, you know, we kept thinking, you know, later that night, you know, he's got to come back. You know, he's got to, you know, we got to haul all this stuff back, you know, and, uh, and he never came back. He left us there. So, you know, me and Mike camped it out for the next couple days and then loaded everything up. And, and then I drove, you know, dropped Mike off at his house and then went over to James's house to give him his camping stuff. But, uh, you know, I was kind of upset with him for doing that. And, you know, I asked him, you know, what, you know, what's going on?

And he said he didn't want to talk about it. And I, you know, then I thought maybe that he thought I offended him or something. And I apologize to him. I was like, man, you know, that was a joke. You know, I'm sorry. Didn't, you know, and he said, no, that's not it. You know, I could tell he was shook. He just, you know, he was different.

and he wouldn't tell me what happened. And before we had even gone up there for that trip, he was joking about the Mogi. And the Mogi is nicknamed for the Muggeon Monster. And, you know, I just told him, you know, that's a lot of hogwash that, you know, I heard those stories too and no, I don't believe it. But he's seen something.

He wasn't tell me what it was. And, you know, less than a year later, he moved to Texas. And I never seen him again. But that I thought that was odd. When I figured this whole thing out, I mean, do you want me to tell you the story how I figured out what happened? Sure. Yeah.

Well, I was watching Netflix and there was a show called Discovering Bigfoot. And this guy Todd Standing, I think, does it. And from what I understand, he's a controversial figure or whatever. I don't know a whole lot about him. But there was this show on Netflix. And I didn't believe in Bigfoot. You know, I'd seen a couple episodes of discovering Bigfoot. And I've seen Monster Quest.

And, of course, they never find anything. And whenever they do, it's blurry. You know, Bigfoot is obviously blurry. That's why there's no good pictures. And then at the start of the movie, I've seen these. you know these clear photographs or clips of the of of of Todd standing's bigfoot and I was remarking to my wife you know look at look at the actors you know the makeup has gotten so much better you know over the years you know it almost looks real and then about the nine to 10

minute mark of the of the his documentary or whatever it showed a picture of something trying to hide from him. I think this is between the nine and ten minute mark. It showed something big, about nine and a half feet tall covered with hair that was trying to hide from him behind this tree. And I just yelled, what? And, you know, my wife had scared her. And I jumped up and I ran to the computer, excuse me, to the computer

and typed in a web search, you know, relating to this topic, relating to near where I was camped when this happened. And then it all just started. It all came back to me. Oh, my goodness. And I thought, the Mugian monster, wow, this makes sense. You know, all these stories, these superstitions or whatever. I mean, it just all hit me like a flood. You know, I know this thing still uses that trail because I've tracked sightings and stuff through various blogs and things throughout Arizona and the Muggyon Rim. And there was a siding, you know, I could have, you know, where the guy was at, I could have hit him with the rock where it happened to me to. And fairly recent.

So this is, this thing uses this trail that I'm aware of. Or it sounds like it uses the trail quite, and that's the only trail out of that canyon, unless it can climb up out of it in the dark, which, which I don't doubt. But, uh, uh, yeah,

I love your, your encounter though. You know, you go from skeptic to thinking it's, it's nonsense to, uh, now you're face to face with the, saying and it's talking your camp.

It's terrifying, man. Have you ever gone back to that area? Or do you ever get a chance to talk to what's his name? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I did. I called him right after I seen the documentary. I asked him, I said, do you remember our camping trip? And he knew exactly.

I didn't say which one, because we'd been on several. And he told me, you know, he named the spot. And I said, yeah, you remember that. huh? And he goes, yeah. And I said, what do you think that was? And he knew what it was when he heard it walking in the bottom of the canyon. He, you know, he was onto it. And, and, you know, as it turns out, he thought that, I mean, because I wasn't jumping around. I didn't stand up. I didn't move around or anything. I stayed on top of the bag. He thought that I was in the bag the whole time. You know, to be fair to him.

And, you know, I was, he was just hoping that it was going to walk by or go away. But he had to endure it, too. He just didn't get to see it. Yeah. Have you been back to that area? No. No. No.

No. No, I, the one other time, I went up on the, the muggy on with Mark and four other friends of mine just for a day hike. and we hiked into a different canyon and uh and we got there in the afternoon and and you know we all got down to the bottom of the canyon and you know we're in in the creek and stuff but and everybody started going their own direction and uh we ended up reassembling back at the bottom of the canyon and it was too dark it was it was it was now dangerous to try to climb out and uh and mark uh you know he ripped his shirt off and set it on fire and used it as a torch because he said, we're not staying down here tonight.

And that's actually how we got out of there. I've never spent another night on the muggy on, other than I did go up fishing one time and I stayed in a motel and Payson and then, you know, drove to the fishing spots during the day and stayed indoors at night. But I'd never spent another night, never camped another night on the muggy on in my life after that. My favorite spot in world and it was like it was taken away from me, so to speak. Yeah, that, it reminds me of what Teddy Roosevelt wrote about, you know, the two miners that were out camping. Very similar encounter. This thing stalked their camp and one of the guys took a shot and ended up with his head turned about 360 degrees and, you know, he ended up dead. You know, it is fascinating. It's hard

to say what I would do in that situation. You know, I I think for most listeners listening, it's hard to say what you would do. I think you did the right thing, though, not popping off a shot, you know, just kind of standing your ground because it eventually left. And they generally leave when the sun comes up, which makes no sense to me at all. But they do. Yeah, well, I mean, the sun couldn't come up, you know, soon enough. Yeah.

But, you know, I, you know, when I, when I figured out what this stuff, you know, what, what happened to me. I started telling people about it, you know, people I worked with. You know, I sat there and told my wife the whole story, you know, right after I got off the computer, you know, while the documentary, the discovering Bigfoot documentary was still going on, and I just had goosebumps up my arm. And I'm sitting there rattling off to my wife, you know, telling her about this and stuff. And I've shared it with my friends. And, and they know me. They know. I'm not going to make this stuff up. And, you know, and I'm grateful for that.

But, you know, I live up in Washington now. I don't, I'm not in Arizona anymore, but, you know, I had to go do an engineering project in Arizona a year ago. And, you know, a lot of the people that I was working with, I had worked with many years ago. And, you know, a couple of them, you know, were my roommates. And I told them about it. And one of them is real heavy into photography.

He's got a lot of good equipment and stuff. And, you know, he said, let's all go back there. There was at least three of us that were planning on going back there. And I had had to drive to Flagstaff and have my car worked on at a dealership. And, you know, I was only two and a half hours west, two hours maybe west of where it took place. And I thought, you know, I can go over there and, you know, use my phone and, you know, film, you know, the, the, and show them exactly, you know, I showed him on Google Earth where exactly it took place and just show them, you know, up close and, you know, walk down the canyon. And as I'm sitting at the, the auto dealership waiting for my car, you know, thinking about all this, I started having an anxiety attack. and I thought, no, I'm not going back there even by myself during the daylight.

I mean, it really bothered me. And I got back in the car and drove back to the town in northern Arizona where I was staying. And I just thought, you know, I'll go back with friends. I'm not going back by myself. Yeah, I hear you. I want to ask you, you know, there's a lot of weird things that happen to people throughout their lives. it isn't until a lot of times people have a siding to where they'll go, oh, that's what that was. And you had something very similar happened to you when you were fishing.

Did that happen in Arizona? You were telling me about the screaming? No, no, no. That happened up in Terrace, British Columbia. I was doing a fishing vacation up there with my wife and her parents. and it's about an 18-hour drive from where I live. And we drove up to Terrace. I wanted to fish.

There's some famous rivers up there. With the kind of fishing that I do, I do a lot of salmon, steelhead fishing, stuff like that. But I wanted to fish the babine, the bulkly, the Skeena, and the Kisbeok's all on one trip. So me and my father-in-law, we were camped on an island. in his fifth wheel and terrace. And we left the campground, drove across the bridge to the south side of the river. And I had a map, a topographical map of the area. And we ended out, I want to say, 20 minutes west of terrace towards Prince Rupert.

We were on the south side of the river. I think, if I remember exactly, if I remember correctly, I believe it's called White Bottom Road. And we went all the way to the end of it. And it ends along the levee and then it's bulldozed. So we drove as far along the levee as we could. And then right there at that mound of dirt, then it dumps out onto a big beach along the Skeena River.

And so we parked right there and got out of the truck. And we had all our fishing gear waiters and all that stuff. But as soon as we got out of the truck, we seen grizzly prints that came from out of the forest down onto the river. And down across the levee and down into the sand and then along the river. And, you know, we thought, you know, wow, that's pretty neat. You know, but, you know, it's kind of scary too. But we went down there and we fished. And as soon as we got down to that spot on the Skeena, on that beach,

then all of a sudden the trees in the forest. And we were probably, I want to say, 50 yards, 75 yards, something like that from the forest on that road. I don't remember exactly. But there was forest behind on the other side of the truck. We were down on the river and the truck was up on the levee behind. us and then the forest was a ways back behind the truck. And all of a sudden, trees just started, branches just started snapping. And then these wicked screams.

And I mean, it sounded like two big creatures killing another big creature. There was definitely more than one of them. And, you know, we both stopped fishing and just started looking. you know, like, you know, what, what's going on? And my father-in-law, he asked me, he said, you know, what's being killed up there? And, you know, I told him, you know, well, those are bears, killing, you know, a moose or something. It was the only thing I could think of. And he said, Ron, those are not bears.

And he's a hunter from Arizona. He's ex-military and stuff. You know, I've never hunted with a rifle in my life. but you know i was like no those those are bears no those are not bears those are not bears those are not bears and uh and the screaming just kept going on well it you know i i continued fishing and and and i was catching fish uh you know catching salmon and and i was just releasing them i'm more of a catch and release guy and he said you know what are we going to do if they come down here And I said, well, you know, I can outrun you.

And he goes, I can outrun you. Yeah, I told him, I can outrun you. And he said, no, I'm serious. What are we going to do? And then I realized that he wasn't having fun. And I said, okay, let's, you know, and I told him, I'll just start keeping salmon. And so as I caught the salmon, I laid him out in a circle around us. you know, in the event that whatever it was, whatever was coming down there was, it would go through the salmon before it got to us.

And this screams, Wes, they went on for three hours, at least. And you could see full-sized trees being shook. Now, I've seen video of bears running up trees and seeing trees shake like that. But we couldn't see what was doing it because the truck was blocking our view because it was parked on top of the levee. And it was directly, the truck was directly between us and where these things were. But it just went on and went on and went on. And to the point that, you know, when it finally stopped, because we didn't think we could leave the area, we didn't want to go towards it. We wanted to stay down there.

And when it stopped, you know, I took all the salmon and put them on two stringers, and I had him one, and I had one. And the whole idea was to, you know, throw them, you know, if we got charged or whatever, was to throw the salmon in front of us and, you know, and give it up. And hopefully they'd rather eat that than us. And then we walked and got back in the, walked real fast and got back in the truck. And, you know, then he started, you know, we had no business being out here.

What, you know, as we were driving away, you know, real fast. Yeah, I was concerned about the noises and stuff like that. The fishing was awesome, but he did not have a good time at all. He didn't catch one fish the whole time. and he's a and he's a good salmon fisherman. Yeah, and did this happen prior to your encounter? No, it happened afterwards. Afterwards, I got you.

Yeah, I hadn't, I still didn't know what, what it happened on the mug yard. And I never even told him about it until after, you know, I never told my father-in-law about it until afterwards. And when I told him, you know, what happened to me. And he was like, well, I don't know if I believe that. and I said, well, what do you think that was in B.C.? And he said, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't bears. Yeah, he's not a believer in Bigfoot or anything, you know, this type of activity. But he knows that something happened to me and Mark as well.

There's something, you know, what happened to him, he still can't explain. And there's nothing that screams like that, Wes. I've I it yeah it just they were it was loud and it was more than one and it just kept going on and it was I mean the did it sound more human like no oh no no it just it was loud and just sounded blood blood curdling I mean just like you know get out of here and you know after I figured out you know what that what that could have been up in in in in terrace i wondered why the bulldozing stopped there why it didn't go on because it was like it stopped we pulled right up to the the pile of dirt at the end of the road there it didn't go any further you couldn't go further you couldn't go around it

uh i i i wondered what you know what that was or or why they stopped you know at that point and I tried to contact, there's a researcher up there, and I found out that he died in 2016, that he was located in the Terrace area, and I was going to tell him, you know, exactly, you know, here's, you know, here's exactly where it happened, and it happened in the month of August, you know, the same month that, that I had my encounter in Arizona. Yeah, I've had, you know, I've had that, you know, that canyon in Arizona where that happened. And I'd hiked up that canyon the year previous. And I went a ways up it and then just got a, and I was by myself and I just got this creeped out feeling.

And I stopped. And I turned around and walked back. It was like I was having a wonderful time. And then all of a sudden, I'm not. And this, you know, this came this sudden creeped out experience or creeped out feeling. I don't know if I felt I was being watched. I just felt like this something, I'm not feeling right. And it wasn't I felt sick or anything like that.

I just felt like really uncomfortable. And that, you know, that happened up on the Muggyon as well at Chevlon Lake. I drove up from Phoenix up there and I had the whole lake to myself and I wanted to go catch some brown trout. I got out of the car, walked down to the lake, and then just got creeped out and went back, got in the car, and went to another lake. I didn't see anything, didn't hear anything, just felt creeped out. Let me ask you, Ron. I really appreciate taking the time to share these encounters. And again, I was fascinated by the email you sent me. What's your take? What do you think that these things are? And there's no wrong answer, of course.

I'm just curious on your personal opinion as far as what these things actually are. I honestly, I don't know. I, I, I, I, you know, what, what I, what I encountered was something that didn't look human, but acted very human. And when I say didn't look human, it didn't have no clothes on. It could walk in the dark without light, you know, out in a canyon. and covered with hair, jet black and gigantic. You know, way above, I think I told you in the email, I've seen Shaquille and O'Neal up close.

I mean, real close, like within 10 feet. And he's the biggest human I've ever seen, and he didn't have anything on that stalker, that night in the canyon. But, you know, some of the stuff, that I hear people describe, you know, with lights and orbs and stuff like that, that sounds like some of the stuff that me and some friends have dealt with in the occult. And I'm not an occult person, but I've dealt with, you know, I've sat in on deliverances and stuff like that. And I'm familiar with that.

And some of the things that people describe, you know, come right out of dealing with the occult. and talking with other friends that have dealt with it as well. But the other side of that, you know, what I dealt with other than looking at it, as apart from the size, everything about it said human. Yeah, you have to let me know. I know you have plans on going back. I'd be real curious if anything else happens while you're up there. Yeah, I, you know, I have my two friends.

They're both in northern Arizona. that want to go with me. And they have some good camera equipment and stuff. But part of me is still a little bit apprehensive. Yeah, I don't. I don't blame you. Yeah, it's kind of, I was okay with hiking and fishing and everything by myself. You know, because where I live in Washington, we have the sightings are within 10 miles of my house.

so I don't get out and do the hiking, you know, like I used to. It's kind of wrecked that sort of. But, you know, I'll go fishing here in town. I'll go down to the river and go salmon fishing or whatever, you know, when they're running. But I don't go out in the Washington woods by myself. It's, nah. Yeah, I can understand that. I can definitely understand that.

I can't thank you enough for taking the time to come on and share what happened to you. We let me know if you go back and if anything happens. Yeah, I'll let you know. And, you know, thanks for, you know, providing this outlet for people because it, you know, after what I experienced, and I ridicule people, I really did for believing in this stuff. But after I figured it out, you know, I realized that a lot of these people have. a real-life monster movie that takes part in their life. And I can fully understand PTSD. So, you know, prayers and blessings to all you wonderful people out there

and for being brave enough to share. Because I've been listening to your show for two years now and became a member a year ago. But, you know, thanks for doing this. Yeah, thank you so much for the kind of words, Ron. And thank you so much for taking the time to come on. and talk about what happened to you. I really enjoyed talking with you. All right. Well, thank you, sir, and have a great day.

You as well. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out, Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.