Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:712 The Michigan Encounter Reloaded

Episode Date: November 30, 2020

On Friday night we heard from Rick who had a recent encounter in Michigan. Rick spoke about his fathers encounters. I spoke to Scott who is the father and he shared what happen to him growing up on a farm in a rural area. He saw the creature a few times and many strange things happened on the property.

When we go down to this spot in the river, she gets turned around and we're sitting on the tailgate. Pretty much from the time we pulled in, we just had this, you know, feeling that we were not alone or we were being watched. This thing, this, you know, creature had popped out from the woods and was standing there. I think my brain was telling me, you know, you're not seeing what you're seeing. And I remember it across the river, and we watched it. I remember her telling me that you can't walk through there because it's too deep. But this creature hadn't made it across the river amongst all that. It started coming up on our side of the land.

It started walking towards us, and we were still, I guess the word would be petrified. We were like frozen stiff. Do you mind sharing one of your dad's encounters that he shared with you? Well, I know he was out with some buddies. You know, they're, you know, little kids, 8, 10, 12 years old, something like that. You know, back in, you know, the late 70s, there wasn't phones, there wasn't a whole lot of electronic deals. It was, you know, the outdoors lifestyle, I guess, how I grew up. He was out with his friends.

I guess he had to take a leak or what have you, and he stepped off away from the group. I don't know how far he walked in the way. how far he walked in the woods or whatever, but he stepped off away from the group. And, you know, he was taking care of business. And he just said he happened to look up. And there was this big creature that was standing behind a tree. And it decided to, you know, make itself more obvious or more known. And that's when he panicked.

And I guess, you know, took off running, whatever. And, you know, he always told me, he's like, man, pretty much zip my tallynack and my jeans. you know, trying to get away from that thing, but I was scared kind of deal. Yeah. But there was a lot of stuff that happened. You know, I think he'd probably want to tell his story. The path will always way from them.

Like, hey, I got to take a leak. So I walked away from them, I don't know, 20, 30 feet into the bushes a little bit, you know. I was taking a leak, and I just happened to be looking straight ahead as I'm taking a leak. And I'm like, this thing steps off from behind a tree. What I would say is about 50 to 60 feet away. and I'm standing there going to the bathroom and this thing steps off behind this tree and I just froze.

I just couldn't believe like what I was looking at. I'm sitting there staring at it and I can see the anatomy which I don't want to get into but and I just freaked. I panicked. I just took off running and screaming monster

and ran into the house and screaming and telling my dad what I just saw and him and his buddies blowed up a bunch of guns and went down there looking for it. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelled me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up,

and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach, I've never seen anything move like that in my life. What will you know what? They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were chumtering away back and forward, back and forward, back and forwards, back and forward. I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet, but what I saw were bears.

Aguantling, why would you report? Jesus, quit somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-uh. This is Greg Andrews from Orlando, Florida, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles.

Longest intro ever. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you tonight. On Friday, I interviewed Rick, and Rick shared a very terrifying encounter of being bum rushed by one of these creatures. And you heard it there in the intro, and as Rick and I spoke, he was talking about his father and how his father believed him and his father had his own personal encounters. So tonight we'll be talking to Scott.

Scott's the father of Rick and Scott's going to be sharing his encounters that happened to him in Michigan. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Scott to the show. Scott, thanks for coming on. Hey, thanks for having you, Wes.

Yeah, I really appreciate you being here, Scott. And, you know, I had Rick on Friday night with the members, Friday night show with the members, and his encounter was terrifying, this creature bumrushing him. And he kind of went into a little bit about your encounters, could just kind of touch on him. I want to ask you, before we get into your encounters, where in Michigan, did this happen? You don't have to give the exact location, but just kind of a rough general area of where all this took place in Michigan. Well, we lived, this was in the late 70s. We lived in what would be known as rural

Benzie County at the time between the upper Heron and lower Heron lakes. I got you. And it's, was it kind of a farm that you grew up on? It sounds like it was a big piece of property from what you and I were talking about. Well, the property itself, yeah, I was an old farmhouse. From what I remembered of it back in the day, I think it was already 100 years old. It was a Centennial type home. They had several bedrooms upstairs and downstairs. It was basically sitting almost right next to or adjacent to the lower Heron Creek.

And I'm trying to recall. It's been a lot of years since I've been back there. But it was just an extremely outlying area of Benzzi County, rural Benzie County. and it was just a vast playground that we had the woods, the gravel pits across the street. My grandpa lived across the creek. It was just all over, the old country store that was about a mile and a half miles. We rode bikes there all the time. It was just a rural country setting that we grew up in.

It was all of our playground. Sounds like a nice property, except for the creatures running around on the property, especially at the age you were at. And I know a lot of really weird, bizarre things happen around the property. Before we get into that, if you would kind of tell me how all of this started, kind of walk us into the first encounter. Well, this was all over, I would say probably an approximate time frame of about three to six months. The year would have been, oh, geez, 78 or 79. Growing up in Benzie County, we just roamed the cricks, the fields, played hide and go sea, played tag, spirit fish in the creek.

I mean, that was common thing. People did it all the time. And it was just a great country life setting. And some of my best memories were always from there. And we just had a great time. Tree forts, old chicken coops. We turned them into forts. I mean, us kids just, we had a ball.

And it was all the neighbor kids, my cousins, whoever. There might be four of us. There might be 14 of us, you know. And we just kind of roam freely, played, get our thing, road bikes. You know, went over the, in the grass. pit across there because a couple of them pits, you know, it turned into basically ponds. And we'd get frog gigging. We'd catch tadpollies.

We'd just roamed around, you know, lower our bikes everywhere. Just did whatever we want. We had a great time. We'd have this old chicken coop that was just down from the house behind our house, parallel to the creek, kind of like down over a little bit of embankment footpaths everywhere because we ran it constantly. I'd turn this old chicken coop into a fort with my dad's permission. mission and we were down past the fort plan one day and a bunch of us kids and there must

been I don't know six or eight of us and it was nothing common out of the ordinary you know for us kids if we had to go the bathroom we just kind of walked away from the group and it was all respected and it wasn't a big deal we just walk away to do our thing come back and we all go play and I walked off the path a little ways away from them like hey I got to take a leak so I walked away from them 20 30 feet into the bushes a little bit you know it's taking a leak and I just happened to be looking straight ahead as I'm taking a leak and I'm like, this thing steps off from behind a tree. What I would say is about 50 to 60 feet away.

And the tree is probably like a, oh, maybe an old beach tree. It's broke off like maybe a windstorm or lightning hit it or something. It's howled out in the middle. It's a big tree. And it's probably eight or ten feet tall stump, you know. And I'm standing there going to the bathroom and this thing steps out from behind this tree and I just froze. I just couldn't believe what I was looking at. And I'm like, what in the hell is that? And I seemed like time passed for minutes, and it was probably only 15, 20 seconds that

I was sitting there staring at it or maybe even less. I don't know. I don't recall, but I'm sitting there staring at it. And I can see the anatomy, which I don't want to get into, but, and I just, I freaked. I panicked. I just took off running, screaming, monster. Everybody took off behind me running. They don't. they ever seen it. But I just took off running for the house and it ran into the house and screaming and telling my dad what I just saw. Him and his buddies mowed up a bunch of guns and went down there looking for it. Yeah, did they ever find anything when they went back? The only thing that I remember my dad saying was something was odd down there. They didn't see

anything, but he saw a bunch of pin cherry trees that were somewhere around eight or ten feet high. And like he was investigating it because he was an avidavit. hunter he's like something is breaking all these limbs off like it's bending them over to like eat the pin cherries and that's very strange and it's way up high but he you know he never found anything when he went down or he never saw anything and my mom right away thought maybe it was a black bear which black bears were not real common in real benzic county in the 70s um i'm not saying they didn't exist at all but they were not common and what i saw and what i described to my dad he's like that kid's all bigfoot and everybody's like oh come on he's like no that kid's all bigfoot

from what he's describing, and that kid saw a big foot. And also my dad was having to tell him what, you know, what it looked like and everything. Can you take us back to that moment and for the audience just describe what you saw? Yeah, sure. I mean, my dad and his body's okay, they're all, I'm six foot, 230 pounds. They're probably all the same size or bigger back then, ranging up to six six, maybe. This thing was probably, it towered over them if they were standing next to it. I'm going to guess it was somewhere between seven and a half to eight foot tall.

It had a lot of a human resemblance in shape, but it was not human. It was completely covered in hair. And when I first saw it, it appeared jet black. But the sun had kind of poked out from behind the cloud and was shining bright through that area of the woods for a moment. And it looked more deep, dark brown for a minute. And then the sun went back behind and it looked completely black again. But this thing was totally covered in hair. it looked like a bodybuilder on steroids or something with covered in hair,

but it had no neck and like a cone-shaped head sitting on the shoulders. This thing was huge. I mean huge. It probably, looking back on that, I'm going to guess the thing was at least 4, 5,500 pounds. It was probably 3.5, 4 foot across the chest. It was huge. I mean, that's my best recollection, but before I turned around and booked it. Yeah.

I mean, I booked it. I was scared. I mean, it didn't seem like it was trying to harm me, but it scared the hell out of me. Yeah, well, yeah, that would scare the hell out of me, especially being that close because, you know, 50, 60 feet away might sound far away, but that's way too close to me to one of these creatures. Did you ever get a chance to look at the face? Because it kind of sounds like it was in the tree line. Yeah, I mean, I did get a, you know, a brief glimpse of the face. It had a lot of human characteristic.

You know, a lot of the face still had, you know, heavy hair on it, covered in hair. It wasn't as heavy as the rest of the body. It had a real wide mouth. It had real dark, black eyes, and way bigger than a human's eyes or eye sockets. It spread further apart. It had a huge head, like a bushel basket head, like huge.

It wasn't, I knew it wasn't a man. There was no way that that was a person. That this was a creature. It was an animal, you know, have really long arms that went down to or past its knees. It was very muscular built. And as I took off running, I looked over my shoulder, and it was walking, and it went across the hair and crick. I hear it splash. I remember seeing the muscles flexing its legs and its arms as it was moving.

And I, you know that that's real. I mean, that's stuff you just don't forget. Yeah, it definitely stays with you. Did the expression change at all on the creature's face? The only expression that I ever saw it actually give as far as an expression that I recall was it blinked its eyes a couple times and it wasn't real fast, just nonchalantly.

Look it back, I mean, I totally get the impression that we caught it off guard. I don't know if it was sleeping behind that tree. I don't know what it was doing, but it was just more like it was curious. Like, okay, who are you and where'd you come from? You know, what are you doing here? Yeah, it's amazing.

You know, Scott, as you and I were talking prior to us coming on the air, I was telling you, you know, I've interviewed a lot of little kids and I've interviewed adults that used to be kids. And one part that always fascinates me, whenever these things are running around on people's property, it's always the kids that see it first. The adults may never see it, but the kids always see it first for some strange reason. The odds are definitely in their favor. and on this property, I know a lot of weird things happen, a lot of different things happen, and we'll get into that in a moment.

But tell me about your next encounter, whether it be Sasquatch related or something bizarre happened on the property. Okay, well, there was a total of four encounter sightings that I had personally. Nobody else ever seemed to see this thing, which it seemed kind of odd looking back on it, but it was almost like I was singled out. But like I said, as kids used to play on the dark everywhere in the woods. across the gravel pits. And within a few feet of the first sighting, the second sighting had occurred.

That one was in the dark. And I was down there. Sometimes we'd go in teams, you know, two kids, you know, playing in the dark, you know, hide and go seek and stuff. And sometimes we'd just be by herself looking for six or seven others. And I'm standing there almost in about the same area, almost to the same spot of where I had the first encounter. And I'm facing more towards the crick and the brush.

and I'm looking around the dark and then moonlight stuff you know you can see pretty good and I'm looking around all of a sudden I heard something right in front of me and it's probably only 30 to 40 feet maybe not even that far and all of a sudden this thing appeared and you could see the complete silhouette of it standing with the moonlit night

you can see it standing there and I'm like I just kind of froze for a second and it just it was dead silence between us nothing going on you couldn't hear no crickets no nothing and all of a sudden it made some noise. And then it turned around. And I remember playing as day, I knew it went across the creek because I heard it was sploosh, sploosh across that creek. And some of those holes were, you know, four or five foot deep or maybe even more in some of the bends were they washed out,

you know. And immediately I just took off running. I was like, oh my God, there it is again. And but it just caught me off guard. And I don't think it knew that I was there. And if it did, I don't know, but there it was suddenly out of nowhere. And I mean, it stood out. And, I mean, it stood out. moon that night. It was unreal. Did it ever vocalize at you? I mean, you said it made some noise. What did? Yeah, it didn't anything bellering loud. It was like more of a mumble, low pitch, um, but very deep and it just kind of a, ooh, woo. And I, like, I was staying there frozen stuff like, whoa, you know, and it turned around, spun around and it spooge,

spooze, spooze right across that crit, you know, in the darkness. It was gone that fast. one of the things I'm fascinated by this and I'm curious do you think it was the same creature you ran into before? Do you think it was a different one? Obviously you may not know, but I'm just curious on your opinion. Well, that one I believe in my own personal opinion perspective, that one was the same one that I saw the first time. Although I know I've seen two different ones in those encounters that I had. That one, I believe, was the same one. And tell me, so you, I would imagine you'd run back to the house of the house of the,

this point? Yeah, I was. I wasn't even looking for the kids. I just high-tailed it down the footpath right back up to the house. So you go back to the house and do you talk to your dad again about what happened? No, actually that time from what I recall, my dad wasn't there that night. I think my older sisters were watching us and us kids were just out playing. And when I ran up there and told my sister, I think it was my oldest sister. I said, hey, I just seen that thing again. She's like, oh, knock it off, you know, you're seeing things. And so, some, Someone scared you or whatever. And I'm like, no, I've seen it again.

You know, and she's like, no, you didn't see nothing. Get back outside and play. Yeah. And during this time, between these two encounters, was there anything going on on the property as far as animals being killed or anything have like vocalizations in the woods? Or was there anything that seemed odd at this point? There was. There was so many incidents that I had to kind of make note of them. There were several instances, weird things that were going on.

And one of them was the neighbors just up the creek, up the road, just about 500 feet or less work for where we lived. And we play with their kids all the time. They play with us. We all hung out. But they called my dad one time at like 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock in the morning. And back then we all had a shared party line, that kind of thing. But they called my dad and woke my dad up and wanted my dad to come down there. Apparently her husband was out of the town working or something at the time.

And whatever was going on down in this thing's screaming, making all kinds of noise. and it's got my dogs all freaked out. My kids are freaked out. I'm freaked out. Jim, can you get down here and help us? We don't know what's going on. And I remember my dad getting up and loading up some guns and throwing him in his pickup and a couple of flashlights and he was heading down there. I don't know whatever transpired with it.

I really don't recall. But we also had a couple of pigs in a pig pen out behind the house, a short distance from the house, that my parents were raising to butcher. And we were home one night. everybody saw him to sleep in beds. And there was all this screaming and commotion going on. And it just startled you when you woke you up. Like, what in the hell is going on? And my dad jumped up and I remember him being downstairs.

I was sleeping upstairs at the time because I refused to sleep downstairs because what I'd saw in the window. But my dad was loading some guns and he's like, stay inside, stay inside. I don't know what's going on with the pigs, but stay inside. And so we're all trying to peek out the window. He's out there with a flashlight looking around. And after a few minutes he comes back in and he's all panic-stricken. My mom's like, what's wrong?

What the hell's going on? He goes, I don't know what the hell is going on, but something tried to get one of them pigs. It's all scratched up. My mom's like, what do you mean? It's all scratched up. He goes, no, it's scratched up. Like something tried to reach over the pen and grab it, something. I was trying to take it.

And it was fighting because when I got out near them, the pigs wouldn't have nothing to do with me. They kept running the opposite side of the pen. And the pigs were used to all of us, you know? So my dad never could only attract. attributed to one thing and my mom's like oh come on I'm not so sure you know you know you're talking about my dad's like I'm telling you and those bears are not common around here and the only thing it could be is a big foot trying to get one of them pigs and my mom's like okay well whatever you know then my mom would just believe okay that's fine you know that's what you think it was what are we

going to do about my dad's like well I don't know really know what to do about it but I went out there did the best I could and calmed them down but they did end up taking those pigs there a short time after and got them butchered because my dad's like whatever try to get those pigs probably will try to come back again and I'm not going to lose the pigs so we'll just take them to get them butchered down the road a little ways from us my grandpa had a pig pen way back in the woods where my mom and dad commonly hunted deer a lot and there was a couple houses way back that two track easement that went back into a piece of property but like 20 30 acres back there and then back behind that and in the woods my grandpa had a great big pig pen where he bred pigs

and butcher them and all that stuff my grandpa was quite the character Um, he had an incident where he, where he'd been tearing in the driveway, one evening in a dust hour, uh, right, right coming into dark. And my grandpa was a fearless individual. I mean, he was the best grandpa you could ever ask for it, but he was fearless as the day is long. I mean, this guy was tough. And he come ripping in the driveway. And then my dad were close. They were best butts. And my dad kind of jumped his ass and he's like, man, what the hell are you driving for that? Like that, but you know, you got the grandkids around here. He's like, Jim gets her gun. My dad's like, what? And he's like, get your gun. Something's trying to get my pigs. And it scattered off through the woods, and I spooked it. And it took off running. And I don't know what it is, but it's big.

My dad's like, what? He's like, get your guns. Now, I need you over there now. My pigs are raising hell and carrying on. And so a bunch of us went over in the pickup. My dad's like, boy, it went right down through here, whatever it is because the leaves were all tore up and limbs were busted off the trees and just like something plowed through there, you know?

And my grandpa was rattled. my grandpa never went back to that big gun again without his 30-30 lever action ever ever they never did see anything but my grandpa was rattled beyond rattled so yeah it's amazing and even your mom eventually figured out something was going on around the property i know rick kind of went into it and i want to get to your other encounters but what kind of changed your mom's opinion as far as maybe there is something going on here well once she had found the footprint outside of the house, at the corner of the house, the one corner of the house, and tried to save it and took some pictures like from an old 35 millimeter. She was trying to, I think my dad might have had to work on a Saturday or Sunday, and she was trying to preserve it for when he got back there. She wanted him to see it. And I knew, looking back on it, at that point, my mom then was convinced because this print was so big and it had so much definition that there's nobody with a that big. And if we stepped the long side of it, and she even took pictures with an old tape

measured to try to show how big the print was. And even our print next to it was midgeted or dwarfed next to it. And how wide it was and how long it was the whole nine yards and it was sunk into the sand and ground there like, you know, probably good half inch. And we couldn't even leave a foot and press and standing next to it. I know that my mom, my mom then was a complete believer there was. And I've talked to her about that a couple times over the years as an adult. And she's like, oh, yeah.

she's like there ain't no doubt in my mind that's you never seen me going in woods without a gun again ever yeah and while all this is going on you had a few more encounters and you were talking there about it coming up to your window was that the next time you had actually seen the creature no that was during during the course of all this going on in my four actual encounters the the bedroom that i was sleeping in off the back of the corner of the house and in the main level face the gravel pits in the highway, but it was always, it seemed like the moon was always bright

in that side of the house. And I remember, you know, us kids, me and my brother or something, we'd just lay in bed and talk and that kind of thing, share bed, you know, back then it was pretty common. And sometimes we'd talk ourselves to sleep, knowing two of us, whatever. But that window, even though I had one of those old

pull-down style shades back in the day. If someone was to walk past me, and then with the moon that night, I mean, you could see their silhouette like nothing. And this was all going on the same time frame, it would stop and, like, stand there, and you could see it playing the day, the complete outline silhouette of it. And I would just pull the covers up over my head, like, what the hell is that? There it is again. And, you know, sometimes when I'd pull the covers back,

after a couple minutes, it'd be gone. You know, sometimes it was still there, you know, and I just refused to sleep in that bedroom. I didn't want no more to do with it. My mom wouldn't believe him. My dad did, and he went out there a few times looking, he couldn't find anything, but I'm like, it keeps looking in the window. Whatever it is, stands in front of the window. Do you think it saw you? I mean, do you think when I was looking in the window, it was looking right at you? I don't know if it was necessarily looking right at me as much as it might have been trying to look through the window because we used to have those old pull-down style shades, and if you let them go, they'd just up to the top, you know?

And it would have been hard to see through something like that, but I think it might have been being curious, because it was a main level. It was trying to look in the window, but I don't know that could actually ever see me or see us, you know? I got you. Well, tell me about the next incident that took place on the property. Well, I was run down along the Heron Creek with some other kids, and we were spooking fish and chasing fish up and down the creek there, and I called the creek, but it was quite wide. It just was shallow for the most part, and out of the areas other than the Benz. And I was chasing fish up and down the creek with these other kids, and my cousins made my brother a bunch of us, and varied, you know, from time to time who all was there.

but I was going down to a certain spot. I'm like, you guys throw rocks in that hole back there. And the fish will come down out of that hole. If there's any in it, they'll come right through these shallows, and we'll be able to see them. And we throw rocks out and play in that fun, you know. So I went booking it on down the creek, you know, maybe 50, 60 yards into the good part of the shattles where I knew they'd come through there. If they threw the rocks in there, and I come right to a stop.

I'm like, whoa, there it is again. And it was standing, but it was standing with his back towards me in the creek. and I know yet today, even looking at it, it was eating fish because they had one in its right hand. I want to say it was an old sock-eye salmon or a sucker, but I don't remember. I want to say it was a sock-eye salmon, and it was kind of fungacy, but it had it in its right hand, and when he brought it back down, the head was done. And then it had it was kind of bent over, and it was looking with its left hand, like moving around in the water, like it was trying to grab a fish.

And I just kind of froze. I just locked right up. I just come right to a stop. Like, whoa, here it is staying right in the creek. you know, in a broad daylight. And you can see the complete back, the buttocks, the legs, the arms. And that one, I'm pretty sure, wasn't the same one that I saw in the first two encounters. Because it was only about, I would say, five and a half to six feet tall.

It wasn't nearly as tall, nearly as big and broad as the other one that I had seen before. Twice. So that was, you know, a separate encounter. But I just, after I froze and stood there for a few seconds, I just turned around and booked. And then when I got to the other kids, I'm like, let's go, let's go, let's get out of here. And, you know, they're all like, why, why? So let's just go. And we ran, started heading the opposite direction, looking for fish and farting around doing our thing, you know.

But I just, it shocked me because there it was. And I never expected to see it, standing in the creek. Yeah, it's fascinating that it's a smaller one than the one. It was, it was, too. It was, it was probably, it was probably at least two to three feet shorter than the first original one that I'd seen twice. It was that much shorter. Was there a different color to it? Because the first one was kind of a black or dark brown.

Did this one kind of have the same color pattern? Yeah, similar, but it was more completely brown in the broad daylight. And the angle I was looking at it was just a dark brown. It was no black feature to it whatsoever. That's terrifying, man. Especially running into it on, you know, this is where you're playing. This is your home. And you're running into this thing.

I realize it's not coming after you to kill you, but it still is terrifying to see one, you know? Well, I don't think the thing even knew if I ever knew that I was there because being in the shales and where it was at and everything standing. I don't think it ever knew from the water rushing through the noise of the water. I don't think it ever knew that I was there. And I didn't stick around very long. Like I said, it was just seconds, maybe even 10, 15 seconds. I seem like times always staying still when you run into one of these things. But I don't think ever knew I was there.

I think it was too intent on fishing and eating or whatever it was doing. It was the nearest thing I could figure. It was eating. It never even knew I was there. There's a lot of eyewitness accounts of them kind of doing what you're describing. Recently, I did a few shows where the eyewitness was talking about had its hand in the water and it was kind of moving it around almost like it was looking for a fish. And, I mean, your description is identical to what I've heard in the past. With all this going on, tell me about your, your,

your last encounter? Well, the last encounter really was basically my, to me, the most frightening. And I'm not sure exactly why other than the fact of what I had come across in general with that sighting and an incident encounter. We were playing over in the gravel pits. Again, we're one of the times we were just playing height and go seek a whole bunch of us, kids. And we're, and we were, I was, you know, looking for the other kids at this point. And we're, and we're, over in the dark, kind of a moonlit night, you can see pretty good. And this is late at night, probably, you know, 9, 10 o'clock at night. And I'm looking around the dark and I'm being quiet and they might be hiding behind a tree or maybe they're standing on top of when the sand

nose, gravel nose or something like that. You never knew where to find somebody exactly. And I remember kind of looking over to my left, like, you know, 40, 50 yards. And I'm like, oh, well, there's like three or four or them or two or three of them or whatever. Didn't want to play. He must decide not to play high and go seek. So I'll heck it. I'll just go join them, you know. And so I started kind of heading that way, and I get about halfway of that distance between me and them.

And I realized them wasn't them. And I kind of come right to a stop because I seen something standing on the bank, up above them, 10 to 12 feet. And here it was, it was a big foot Sasquatch. And you could see the complete outweigh in the moonlit night of it standing there. And what was down below it was in front. running around. I thought they were kids. And I mean, I just stood there like, whoa. Am I really seeing what I'm seeing? And all of a sudden, the infants kind of stopped and paused and was

watching me. And then they went back to playing. But the whole time, I don't know if it was a she or a he. I'm not sure if it was a male or a female was standing on top of that knoll, watching me, and then look into its right where the infants were running around playing. And then it would look back and forth of me, look at them, look at them. And I, you look at them. And I, just froze. I was there several seconds, maybe 10, 15 seconds, and I just started backpedal and I turned around and started running. And I just run for the house. I never did see where the kids went. And I got back to the house there all up the house playing. They must have just decided not to, you know, play how you can go seek anymore. But I thought when I saw them run around, jump around,

playing around, I thought that was some of the kids from our group. And it wasn't. It was not. It was infant, bigfoot Sasquatches is what it was. That, and that's something I never told nobody for a long time because everybody was thinking I was crazy. And what I had encountered then was to me like the most scariest because this wasn't just one of them. There's three or four little infants running around the ground and a great big one standing on the knoll, sand knoll. That one scared me the worst. Yeah, no doubt. I want to ask you, so how old are you at this time? Because you say infant, but you kind of thought that they were your, the kids you were playing with. I mean, you thought Were they about the same size?

Yeah, they were basically like the same size as me. I was probably, I was either eight or nine years old, right in that category, 78 or 79 when this was all going on. And I was either eight or nine years old. I was born in 70. So these things were my size. I thought it was just other kids until I got halfway in that distance, you know, and closed half of that distance of running over.

Like, hey, what you guys doing? And I realized that that's not other kids, you know? And he described the, the playing, can you, what were they doing? What were the smaller ones doing that made you think that they were playing? They were kind of running around in circles and one of them was trying to jump up like on its shoulders like we, you know, you play checking his kids and you jump up against other shoulders and just horse play, just horseplay in general. And that's, I thought it was other kids. You know, if you run it, you know this, Scott, if you run into a black bear

and it has its cubs, you're practically a dead man. If you run into a cougar and it has its baby, you're practically a dead man. And what's fascinating is with Sasquatch, every time I've ever interviewed someone and the adults are there and then also the smaller ones are there, they don't quite seem to react like a wild animal would, because I'm going to kill you.

You're a predator, and they don't seem to react that way. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And looking back on it as an adult now, It's like, it never posed a threat. It never seemed intimidated or trying to threaten me or harm me. But I'm really shocked because, like, when you say, like, you know, you try to get between a mother covenants, a cub, an old tiny covenant's mother, a bear, you're putting yourself in a bad situation.

But it never seemed like it was just monitoring me, watching me. I didn't, wasn't posing a threat. So it wasn't bothered by me, you know. But at the same time, I'm kind of shocked in the Paul looking back on it that I wasn't brutally. attack or something, you know. Yeah. I'm not a researcher. I don't have one in a cage, but all the homework that I've ever done on them, it just, it catches

me off guard that I wasn't put in any kind of detrimental situation. I was really surprised by that, you know, looking back on it, you know. Yeah, I mean, they were obviously watching, they'd probably seen you more than you to actually see them. What, why do you think that they, I know we're speculating here, but why do you think that they were running around on that property? You know, I never figured that out as a kid. And even in my younger adult years, you know, I pondered on it many times up until now even.

The only thing that I've ever come up with is that because of all the bodies of water, the creek that ran between the two lakes that we lived on. And otherwise, with all the fish in the creek, that kind of thing, I think it was just where they lived and were breeding. That's what was their feeding grounds. The slumps were maybe where they slept. that's the only thing I've ever come up with. That was just where they lived.

Yeah, that's a lot of resources. Yeah. As far as anything else going, did anything else ever happen on the property? Well, I'm trying to recall because there was so many bizarre incidents that had taken place. The only thing I really do recall, I wasn't actually there that my dad and my grandfather were out poaching one night. And they did that a lot. I mean, that was very common. That's how they fed the families in probably half the county.

but they come back and my grandpa wasn't a real big drinker but my dad ended up having a few beers while they were out poaching and they were both having this conversation and they were both like an appalled state of mind and I remember coming down to go to the bathroom from the upstairs and they were in the kitchen and they were having this conversation I don't know what the hell that was and my dad's like well I signed the light on it but I was looking at something different

with you know and I was trying to shoot that deer but I seen what was over there and I was trying to make sense of it all but they were talking about something they had seen when they were out poaching deer, and they had hit it with a spotlight. And when they come back, like, what the hell was that? It was gone. It was going into the brush. And they were like, that was a bearer.

That thing was standing upright, and it was walking on two legs, two feet. And they were both having this deep conversation about it. Like, they were just in total shock. But other than the other incidents and stuff that I had mentioned already, I mean, there was just so much bizarre stuff going on. I think that's about the last one that I recall ever going on around there, you know. Yeah, and it's a lot to take in for a kid, you know, seeing something like this. And it definitely changes your life.

I hear people at times saying, I want to see a Sasquatch. And I, you know, internally, I think, no, you really don't. But that's my opinion. You know, you know, and all that stuff that happened back then, I mean, I had a couple, I can't really say they're positive encounters as an adult, you know, in the last 15 years. But all that stuff that had happened back then was just so bizarre. I mean, because like Bigfoot wasn't commonly talked about or Sasquatch, and I knew, you know, my dad was, you know, I'll believe her and avidly into it quietly in his own way. But it wasn't something that was widely talked about.

I'd never seen the Patty film. I don't think I ever saw that until I was 14, 15 years old, maybe even older, what VHS was out, that kind of thing, you know. But it was really, really strange and bizarre beyond what most people would want to comprehend or believe. Yeah. Well, they're definitely real. How did it affect you throughout your life, you know, of these experiences as a kid? Well, I think it made me a little bit of recluse to some people. And I think it made me a little bit of rough and abrasive to some people because, like, you know, my wife would bring it up, you know, we were all with some friends or something.

And she'd be like, yeah, you know, my husband saw a big foot when he was a kid. And they'd be like, what? I'm like, yeah, man. You're a believer, you don't. But once you see one, I'm going to tell you right now, you will be a believer. And if you don't want to go into this conversation, then just back away now. You know, I mean, because people just didn't have, to me, enough of an open mind to comprehend or understand that these things really exist. And they're out there.

So, I mean, it kind of put me on edge with a lot of people. Like, we can either go here or we can't. Yeah, it is like that, especially it's, you know, an encounter is something very personal. And when you, you know, share that with someone and then the response is you're nuts or they laugh at you, it hurts. You know, it really hurts. Did you ever get a chance to talk to your dad later in life regarding what was going on there? Yeah. Yeah, I did.

Actually, well, a couple of who was on his deathbed. But through the years, you know, we'd like have coffee or something like that, you know, once in a while. And nobody else would be around because you're talking about two people. that believe so we can talk freely. And he's like, oh yeah, oh yeah. He goes, I know you've seen what you're saying there ain't no doubt in my mind. And he'd start telling me about the encounters that him and my mom would have when they were back there near that pig pen area that my grandpa had and they used to hunt back there. And, you know, we touched on a lot of the topics, you know, from time to time over coffee. My dad and I would when nobody else was around. Maybe once in a

while my wife might have been, but mostly when nobody else was around. And my mom and dad, you know, at this point, by this time, it'd already divorced and separated years ago. But we'd have, you know, brief conversations about it. And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, they're out there. These people that don't believe in them, they're nuts, you know. And I know they exist. And I know what you saw back then.

And a doubt in my mind you've seen what you saw. And, you know, it's always comforting with my dad because my dad was completely on board with it. He knew they'd exist. So, you know, we had over the course of, you know, in 30 years or, so before he passed or anything. But we got brief chats about it from time for time, you know, so.

Yeah, I would imagine, too, you know, being a kid, I feel so, I feel bad for you because here you are, you can't even sleep in your bed and you're seeing this thing walking past your window at night, which is pretty common for a lot of eyewitnesses I've spoke to now that are adults or still kids of them coming up at windows. And that would terrify me, especially being a kid, you know what I mean? Yeah, oh yeah, it's scared. It's scared the shit out of me, badly. I mean, I was, I was like, I'm not sleeping that room anymore.

I don't care where I have to sleep. I am not sleeping in that room. It showed me to the bone, you know, before you had off one of the covers and peek, and it's there, and it wasn't a minute ago, and now it is, or two minutes later, it's still standing there. And all of a sudden, you can see it slowly walk away. I mean, plainest day, looking in a moonlit night through that curtain and that shade, you can see it. you know, I'm like, your eyes don't, your eyes don't fool you do.

You know, they just don't fool you. So, you know, what you saw? There was even evidence of it, you know, your mom found the track. Well, my dad found all the pin cherry trees, you know, several feet up, you know, none of us kids could reach, he couldn't even reach them. And he was six foot, you know, six foot, I think six foot one. And he's like, whatever this is is really tall, you know, and there's only one thing I know that it could be.

So. Yeah, when Rick was telling me his encounter, you know, it's, it's not. to have someone to talk to who's actually seen it and for him to come talk to you. Throughout your life, you know, you leave this property. Did anything else ever happen to you throughout your life as far as running into these things? Yeah, you know, I had a couple encounters, what I call encounters. I mean, I didn't have a positive ID. I'm going to say that flat out foremost. I'm not going to say you're going to elaborate and manufacture or fabricate on something that I didn't see.

but I had a couple of encounters in different properties that I had hunted, basically like a private properties. And I was the only one I had access to the property to be able to hunt. And I was sitting in my blind one time, and I used to take my wife and kids back here in this same property coincidentally. And many times squirrel hunting, deer hunting, all that stuff. Set up blinds for everybody and, you know, enjoyed as a family. But I was sitting back in the blind the one morning. And I was usually a lot of time I'd be back in my blind, even though we couldn't shoot until 738 o'clock. and legal shooting hours.

I'd be sitting back for having coffee, just hanging out, being quiet, just observing the woods. I like being in the woods. And on about daybreak comes, I'm drinking coffee real quietly and smoking my cigarettes, and I'm real observing.

I get everything right down to a detail when I'm hunting deer. And I'll observe anything is out of place. I will notice it immediately. And I was sitting there, and all of a sudden I went to light a cigarette, and I froze. I kind of had my head tucked down into my chest a little bit,

So like, you know, something couldn't see me move a deer or something, you know. And I froze and I'm like, I got this eerie feeling. And I'm like, oh, shit, I'm being watched. I know what it is. And I'm pulled my head up real slow and I'm looking to my left and scan with my eyeballs as much as I can, trying not to move. And I'm looking at my right real slow and I'm scanning back and forth, back and forth. And I couldn't see nothing.

I couldn't smell nothing. I couldn't hear nothing. But everything was like dead quiet, like eerily quiet. and up out of this one valley, off to my left, there was a lot of rolling hills terrain back in there. Here comes this dough like a yearling doe, hauling ass out of nowhere, and it actually spooked me. And I'm like, whoa, where'd she come from?

And this thing come random right up, stood right beside my ground blind. It was a raised blind, enclosed blind. And I had shooting windows out of. And it stood there so close that I could have reached out with my seven mag. And this was a real custom gun that I would. I was using the time. I could have just reached out and bunked her in the head. And she didn't even know I was there, but she was staring off into that valley.

And I'm like, okay, what's spooked her? What the hell's going on here? And so I carefully pull up my seven mag, custom set up very long barrel. And I'm looking out through my custom scope. And I'm looking, this gun's really heavy. So I had to get it bounced out. And I'm looking. And I said, what in the hell is down in that valley about 200, 250 yards?

And then about that time as I spotted that movement, off to the left a little further, closer, was a bunch of deer hiking coming up towards me. And I'm like, so I'm zooming in. I've seen those deer and now I'm losing focus on even deer hunting. I'm more focused on this eerie feeling and what the hell is going on here. And so I'm looking down through this Vodotta custom scope I have and I'm looking down through the woods and through the branches. And all I can see was a silhouette figure. but what at first I thought was another hunter and like camouflage or a gilly suit

and I'm looking through this scope and immediately I'm like that's not a hunter oh okay baby give me a headshot just go ahead and poke your head out and know what you are and it kept moving through there would never stop it was just moving real slow

but all these deer were scattering running up towards me but I had always had for a long time now I've had that attitude we'll pause here for a second that if I ever encountered one, bad choice or not, it's my right to choice. This thing poses a good shot, and I'm not, no marksman specialist here, but I'm a damn good shot. If this thing ever pokes its head out, I'm going to take it right between the eyes,

and I'm going to prove that these things exist. Well, this thing never did come up out of there, and it traveled right out down through that valley on an angle, and it kept right on going, and it had disappeared where I couldn't even see any movement. But all those deer had ended up coming up right by my blind, few yards of my blind and we're all staying in their pant. You could see the steam coming out of their nose. It was cold out in deer season. And eventually they just kind of trived off behind me after they stood there for several

minutes and gagged, you know, collected thoughts or whatever they were doing. And when I'm behind me, I never, you know, I never, I just lost focus on it at that point. Because in my mind, I knew what it was. There was no doubt. Yeah. And, you know, it's fascinating. You hear a lot of hunters talk about, uh, I've had a lot of them on. the show actually and they'll talk about being in a tree stand or being in a blind and the deer run

right to it you know come running right up to the stand and we'll sit there and you know the even though deers aren't the smartest things on the planet you would think that they know you're there I mean there's guys in tree stands will run right up to the the ladder of the tree stand and sit there and rest for a second makes you wonder if the deer you know because they're naturally afraid of us it makes makes me wonder if they think well this is is a lesser of two evils, so I'm going to run to this hunter. Yeah, yeah, I really don't know how to speculate on that one, because I think the deer were so scared that I don't even know if they knew I was there.

Yeah, did you ever give up hunting? Were you like, I've had enough of this? No, you know, from an early age of my first encounters, I always took the attitude that they never tried to harm me. And I know there's different types from doing some homework, but they never tried to harm me. But one thing I always told myself is I'll never go in the woods again without a gun, ever, ever, period. That's one position I always took. I'm not going to let this thing, this creature, stop me from what I enjoy. But however, I will make people aware of it.

If they don't want to believe me that it exists, that's up to them. Yeah, I don't blame me for wanting to pick one off. I wish somebody, and I always get nasty emails when I say this, I wish somebody would. and, you know, cut the head off, bring it in. And let's put it into this, you know. Yeah, because, you know, I have one other encounter after that and a different deer buying the property I was hunting. But, you know, I took the attitude in position for many years

for the hoaxing that they claim goes on, all this other stuff. I took the attitude, you know, that it's going to definitely take a body to prove it. And some people would even still try to dispute it. But here it is sitting in front of me. You know, the feds are probably going to get in. it involved in it, cover it up, whatever. But here it is sitting in front of me, you come see it. Now you tell me, I'm a liar.

And I knew with several of the weapons that I have, especially that seven mag and how that's set up, that is a sniper set up for shooting off benches and shooting thrown. This thing is a thousand-yard weapon, the way it's set up. And I know I've shot 600-yard shots and be able to hit top balloons. This thing's accurate. So I'm like, I may not have enough cannon behind it to some degree, with this thing, if you hit him in the head,

just like that one episode you had where the guy shot one, took it down, and it shot it right in a head with 30 out six. I'm like, this has got more punched than a 30 out six. And this will fold them on a headshot. And I'm only going to go for a head shot. But don't hold still for too long because this is a tack driver. I mean, this thing was dialed into 0.01 and 0.03

at the worst on the cartridges. These are special handloats. I knew what the weapon was capable of. I'd shot 11 deer in one day, one time with it. Just slide the bolt, look for the next one. But I've always been convinced, and this is my own thinking. This isn't anything I got from anybody else, any of your shows, any other research, nothing. It's always been my position. If I ever come across one, I will take it out. Just to prove, it's not because I want to end them. It's not because I want

any other kind of controversy or debate to come into play. It's just because I can say, here it is, world, here it is right in front of you. You have the opportunity. to you come, observe it for yourself. Now you tell me. Yeah, and I agree with you on that. And I think that's, the government's partly to blame for that. You know, I think that they... Oh, don't even get me started on the government.

But, you know, the news always, they'll do stories on Bigfoot, but it's always with a smirk and a wink. And I think they've created that environment, you know, so people who are out there who are upset about someone who wants to kill Sasquatch, well, you know, they should change the environment as far as how the subject is treated. And if it did come out that whatever they are, whatever the creatures actually are, are proven to be real to mainstream science, then if that happened, then there would be no need for people to go out there and shoot them. You know, I doubt very few people would. Well, you know, and I don't want to send anybody into a frenzy, you know, by my position with it because I don't want people just going on here looking for them and putting ourselves in an impossible harm's way or danger, you know. But there again, I couldn't even begin to emphasize enough that I know, in my mind, my frame of mind, I've been in Alaska.

I've been all the United States. I've been some of the worst parts of Canada, the most outline parts of Canada you could ever imagine. I've been around Grizzlies. I've seen Grizzlies that were 12, 1,500 pounds. Many records were taken even during a time frame when I lived in Alaska as a kid. you know, a big foot against, a Sasquatch big foot against the grizzly, the grizzly don't stand much of a chance. But the government covering all this kind of stuff up?

Oh, does, you know what? Be careful going down that rabble hole with me because I'm not a government guy. I don't trust a criminal justice system. They're all in cahoots. There's a lot of corruption, a lot of cover-ups, conspiracies. Where do we want to start with that one, Watergate or, you know, JFK? You know, but the government, so I just got out of a lot of time. I'll leave a lot of that out because if I ever see one, I'll take one.

I'm going to prove it, you know. Yeah, and I don't blame me for having that attitude. And we can talk about the government cover up if you want, but would you talk about your last, would you talk about your last encounter? Okay, well, this happened a few years back, and the guy I was friends with at the time, and him and I don't really hang out much anymore, but it's only by, you know, some situations that have happened. I was hunting on his property at the time.

and I was one of maybe three guys at the time that was even allowed to hunt that property. And there was some stipulations. Like, you know, you couldn't take anything less than a six point buck. And it's very end of season. He might allow me to take a couple of dough tags. You know, he knew that we earned a can in venison

and all that stuff. And he respected it. He was to. But he wanted to keep the bucks real healthy in his property. So, you know, he only trusted certain people to go back there that he knew would honor his rules per se. So I'm sitting in this one of his, his blinds that he set me up.

And he said, yep, this is cherry blind, man. It's awesome hunting right here. Drops down back here about 25, 300 yards, go right into the Manistair River Bayou. And I knew all the area really well. I hunted it with him for grouse and all that stuff, you know. I'm sitting in the blind one morning. And, oh, I got back through a little late.

It was probably about 5 a.m. I usually was in my blind by 4 o'clock. I just loved being sitting out there in the dark and the quiet, you know. And I'm sitting there, daylight comes on. And I don't know, it's probably somewhere around 8, 39 o'clock. I hadn't really seen much of me, and heard much or anything. And I'm looking down through the woods and all of a sudden, and I'd noticed something out of place.

And then it was back in there, it was back in there quite a ways, probably at least 200 yards. And before the drop-off, though. And I'm looking at, I'm like, what in the hell is that? And I'm one of the times I happened to have my seven mag that I was using. So I carefully got the long gun that it is. I'll move around the blind and got it on a good rest, and I'm dialing it in looking down through there.

I'm like, oh, that's a bobcat. Okay. He's probably 12, 15 feet off the ground on a broken off section of tree. And he's, but he's backing up it. And I'm like, wait a minute, why in the hell is he backing up that tree in an aggressive manner? Like he's watching something on the ground. And I caught moving on the ground below. And I'm like, what in the hell is he watching?

That's not a deer. I guarantee you that's not a deer. And I get seen the movement. and then it passed by and as it was passing by this bobcat this bobcat kept back and more and more up that tree but it was watching it from a different angle and i knew in my mind again right there and then i'm like oh my god here he is please come this way if you do i'm gonna whack you and i was watching it going through there it looked at first like another hunter that didn't have no orange on or anything i'm like that's not a harm because whatever this is isn't very far from that bobcat in height. And by maybe three or four feet. And I'm like, this is no hunter.

I know exactly in my mind what this is. So I know in my mind people can say what they want. I never got an actual good visual on it. But the way it was moving through there and the way that bobcat was backing up that tree, I knew. But that's all I can say, you know. How far as far as a crow flies are you hunting, from where you grew up?

Well, by the way, the crow flies in those two locations, I was probably not more than 20 miles. So pretty close. I mean, relatively. Yeah, and I'm not more than, by the way, the crow flies right now, at best of 10 to 12 miles of where I grew up where those encounters all took place. Do you have any ambitions to see another one?

Absolutely. Yeah. I hope to have a chance to take one out, you know, personally. Yeah. And you and I are on the same pages. that. Not everyone is, but I'm definitely with you on that. What do you think that they are? Well,

there is no thinking on the one end of it. To me, that's a two-part question. Here's my answer for that. On the one end of it, there is no question. It's a flesh and blood creature. No hands down, not even up for discussion. Where that evolved from,

that's where the question comes in. Was it gigantic antipithecus from the Bible times? Is a human bread with an Nate, I don't know. That's the, that's the side of it that really intrigues me the most is where did it come from. I've been here longer than any of us. I'm assuming, I don't know. But the flesh and blood part of it, that's not even up for discussion. That's exactly what it is. It's a flesh and blood creature hands down. Where it comes from, how it got here, how long it's been here. That's

the mystery for me. What do you make of, you know, when you're out there hunting, and everything goes quiet. Even the insects go quiet. You experience that and you know something's watching you. I mean, that just seems, you know, a cougar could be watching you. I don't know that we'd pick up a cougar watching us. Maybe, I don't know.

But what do you make of that feeling of I'm being watched and everything just got quiet? That's a hair-raising experience. Unless someone has experienced that, which I believe you probably have, that's a hair-raising experiences. is the easiest way for me to describe it. That's an automatic reaction I reach for my pistol that I always carry.

I've carried for 25 years at least. I'm automatically on my 300 mag or 7 mag or 300 ultra whatever have for a weapon at the time. I'm automatically having a safety and I'm looking. Because I know when things go that quiet, I've been in that position before and experienced it. I know something's there. It may not be where I can see it yet.

I don't know if it's up in a tree. If it's on the ground, I'm looking everywhere. But when that sets in and everything goes eerily quiet, I react immediately. You know, because I'm never going to take the chance that I'm not going to be pulverized or, you know, otherwise attacked by one of these, you know. Like I said, in my mind, a grizzly guard doesn't stand a chance. Yeah, I would probably agree with you on that. Why do you think the government's covering it up?

I don't know. It could be many things in that. have a whole of discussion. You know, the government's always been good about lying to people. They've always been good about covering up for their own reasons. But if you go into conspiracies of thoughts and process of chaos and pandemonium, that's my biggest thing that I've ever come up with. If they were to allow this to be exposed to the public,

could one imagine the pandemonium and chaos that would ensue, on many levels. That's my biggest belief, you know. Do you really think that there would be chaos? I guess it all comes down to what they are, which might cause chaos. Well, what I'm saying is like the people that would all of a sudden go, oh, my God, they're admitting that they're real. We could have one on our property.

Let's go hunting for it. Let's be buying animals. Let's be buying guns. People might go off the charts and start getting ridiculous about it. So some people, you know, live in this fear factor. They live in their own bubble. They're automatically going to go, just like the COVID. They just panic, go shit with it crazy, you know.

So I'm always been, it's my big thing. I think the government worries that how much chaos or pandemonium and fear that could cause if they were actually allowed to be exposed. I got you. In the meantime, though, they're putting a lot of people at risk by making a joke of it. Oh, absolutely. And to me, that's beyond hideous of that to do that. Beyond hideous.

and you know it's just like the UFO cover up the JFK cover up any of it that's beyond hide any of that that's that's wrong to do that to the American people you know yeah tell me about the UFO you saw it was back in the gravel pits when we lived at the farm back there in the 70s at the same time when you know my encounters had all taken place we were playing in the field one night real real close to where I had seen the infants and the adult we were playing in hiding those thing another one time is just playing out the fields in the dark at night and a bunch of kids that took off and was heading for the house,

and they're like, well, let's go up to the house and get something to eat or something to drink or whatever. And I just, ah, no, I'm just going to wander around here in the dark and, you know, do my thing, and I'll be up to the house in a few minutes. Out of nowhere, I remembered, like, behind me, casting a shadow in front of me because it was, like, all lit up behind me. And I turned around and looked, and I was probably eight, nine years old, you know. I turned around and looked, and I seen this great big, what I believed,

and what it appeared to be by all preempties. Tons in purpose, a saucer in the sky, and it was down quite low, and it had lights that were spinning around on the outer edges of it. And I'm like, what in the hell is that? You know? And I'm looking at it going, well, that's not an airplane because they're not round. And I said they're looking at it, and it like came down real close and sat there for a few seconds and went way up high in the sky, like an instant. It was way up high in the sky. And it was light, but it was lighting up the whole area like it was daylight or more. And I'm like, whoa, it's time for me to go. And I turned around, looked at it again as I was running for the house and it was even higher in the sky this time. And

it wasn't lighten up the area nearly as much. And it was basically back to darkness. And other than the moon that night. And I was just, I hitheled it for the house. I'm like, ain't nobody going to believe what I just seen. And it just came out of nowhere, completely out of nowhere. Now, I know my wife's had encounters with like UFO type stuff too. as a kid. But that was my only one experience with what I believe was a UFO as a kid, you know. Did it make a noise? Did you hear a sound?

No, the only thing that I really ever remember hearing from the UFO or what I believe was a UFO was humming. It's kind of a strange humming, but it wasn't like any sirens or motor noises. It was like an electric type of humming. Just kind of a hmm. And that was when it was down close to bone. It was up high. I didn't hear that. And let me ask you, Scott, what do you think UFOs and aliens?

What do you think that they really are? I think if you ask most Americans, they will, they say that they believe in aliens and UFOs now. Back when you saw it, you know, you were crazy if you saw a UFO. Today, not so much, but what do you think that they are? Well, I'm a firm believer that aliens and UFOs are definitely connected and they're just forms of life from other planets. I don't know if they so much directly own the earth, but I believe that they visit us regularly. I believe that they have a right to be here.

Otherwise, we'd be doing something to stop it. Do I believe in them completely? Absolutely. But there are another form of life, I don't know if it's interdimensional or what it is exactly, but there's another form of life on another planet, whether it's Pluto, Mars, whatever it might be. and they're just just as common as we are.

That's my belief. I've always believed that ever since I saw that software come down in light of, you know, the field that night. So I believe they're just as real as you and I sit and you're talking. Oh, I agree. Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah. It's amazing accounts and I'm so glad that you took the time to come on, Scott. When I was talking to Rick, I was like, man, I hope you hear from you.

But, you know, growing up on. 543 really, really got me intrigued down. I was like, whoa, I bought fell on my chair. I'm like, now tell me I'm nuts, you know. Well, yeah, no, I appreciate you listening and I appreciate Rick coming on. And thank you so much for taking the time and coming on and shit. Because it's very personal. Encounters are very personal.

And you learn something, I think, with every encounter. And yours are definitely fascinating, especially the little kids playing. I'm still thinking about that. But I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. Hey, not a problem, Wes. It was great talking with you. Have good night, buddy. Oh, like I said, it was great talking with you, Scott, and you have a great night as well. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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