Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:75 Looking back over the last 75 shows

Episode Date: January 26, 2015

Tomorrow night is our 75th show. We invite everyone to call in and share their encounter, comments or whatever you want. This is an opportunity to ask questions on stuff we have talked about in the past or future plans.

Block Talk Radio 5, 5443, 3, 2, 1. 1 When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't be a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes.

His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister. sinister wicked you know look it was given me what are you putting Jesus Christ you bet yeah yeah he's about 60 foot nine I don't know you see him now sir yes I'm looking right at him Sasquatch Chronicles a place where people share their accounts

let's start the show 75 shows I can't believe we're 75 shows into it I think I'm actually about 110 or so but on the record It feels that way right Well, let me be the first to say congratulations. We appreciate it.

We appreciate it. It's congratulations to all of us. It's a major feat. I was sitting there thinking, you know, normally on, we would do like a bash for like 100 shows, which I'm sure we're going to do and have Bear and Kumbow and all the past guests on. But I was sitting there thinking, God, in 75 shows, we've come a long way, a really long way in a very short amount of time.

Yeah. Yeah. But I want to welcome everyone to the show. Tonight, there's a few things that we're going to do as far as an agenda. We'll try and take your calls as much as we can. If you want to call in tonight, if you want to share a comment, if you want to share a favorite show, if you have any critique, questions, or you want to share an encounter, the number to call in is 646-7-16-8-7-9-1. and we'll try to get to all of your calls tonight. I want to remind everyone to our website,

saskwaltronicles.com. If you get a chance, check it out, try and update the blogs. If you want to support the show further, maybe get a membership, and help us to expand the show and make it better. It's been fun, but it's been a lot of work. You know, getting a website,

you wouldn't think would be that much work. But it's been a heck of a lot of work doing the website. It's been a nightmare. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a lot of work. It's been fun, but it's been a lot more work than I originally anticipated. I think all of us anticipated. Yeah.

But again, I want to invite everyone to call in. The number again is 646-716-8791. And there's a few things I wanted to do tonight. We're pretty much open for, you know, It's going to be a pretty easy owing show. I wanted to play some sounds that were sent to us. I put them up on the website. If you go to the website,

Sasquatch Chronicles.com, and you go under the podcast section, you can click on them and you can play them. It sounds from the field. And I want to play these sounds for you guys real quick. Well, I wanted to get your take on it. Shannon, I wanted to get your take on it too as well. Take a listen to us to you guys.

I know you guys have heard it before. But for the listeners out there that haven't heard it, let us know what you think. Here's the second part of that clip. So where those sounds were actually taken, it's from, saying, anonymous source at this point on the air.

But we've all been invited out to where this is happening, to take a look for ourselves. What do you guys, what's your take on it? You guys, Will, what do you think? And then, Shannon, tell me what you think. Those are good recordings.

You know, they're very similar. especially the second one. You know the more long and drawn-out part to the Snohomwich 1974, screamer that was recorded. And there were a couple other recordings, one in I think Southern Washington and another one in Southern Oregon, that were all very, very similar to that. And I've heard those noises myself on a number of occasions.

I think I told you once that about 10 years ago we were camping up at, on the Cornwall River, the place called Graves Creek Campground. It's up near the end of the road in that area where you can go camp. And there were a number of other campers around the area and right at dusk, this thing cut loose. And the recording is one thing. But as you know, Wes, when you're right there and the thing is near you screaming, the volume is tremendous.

So a lot of times recordings really don't do justice. But, no, it's a good, solid sound. I think it's legit. Yeah, what do you think, Chenon? Two things. First, it makes me want to go, and it's 19 degrees in snowing here right now, but it makes me want to go out camping. And the second thing is, I was going to ask Will what he thought at the second recording,

and he already mentioned it, so it's perfect, is the longer one where it kind of just melds into that long tone, there's two different tones there. Do you think that's the same creature or is that two different creatures? It's the same one. Yeah, that's what I figured. that's an incredible recording. So thank you to Anonymous for sending us that. Yeah, absolutely.

So I know tonight we're going to go into, there's one encounter I wanted to play for, I know Will you were out of the, in a position where you couldn't be part of the interview, but I wanted to play it for you, and I wanted to play it for a lot of the people listening. It's a very descriptive encounter. You know, we talked to Sean on the website,

and I had posted it as episode, episode 74 on saskwalt chronicles.com. And Sean did a really good job at describing what he was actually seeing and what he was actually, what he experienced. And he actually did a drawing of it. And it's interesting because when you listen to Pam's encounter, there's a lot you can get from what she's saying in her encounter. But I wanted to play that.

And then I'm hoping that we can interview Will on Will's encounter. I know you've had two encounters, Will also so we could interview you and put you under the gun. Maybe we can bring a listener on to interview instead of having me interview. That's a great idea. Yeah. And then maybe talk about our favorite show, and then I'd like to take some calls after we play Pam's encounter.

But let me play this encounter for you real quick, for everyone listening. And I'd like your guys' take on this encounter. And then after the encounter, your calls are next. So if you want to give us a call, the number is 646-716-8-7-9-1. We appreciate you coming on. I know I was reading your encounter on Facebook. And I thought, gosh, what a awesome encounter. What a great encounter?

And I really wanted to... Go ahead. What's up? I was going to say... I didn't think that. I was a great. I was scared to all that. no I hear you

and you know it's one of those things to where it's when and I was telling our last guess when you read an encounter and then you hear it firsthand from someone it's completely different yeah well the emotions and all that

it's kind of hard to put it on paper you know yeah yeah you relive it every time you tell it or every time you yeah you know yeah no I hear you and you can you can relax it's it's I get what you're saying though you know even when I tell my encounter

and I've told it people are probably sick of it at this point but um no way well it takes you back when you when you when you as you start telling it you go back and you're in the moment and definitely takes you back but do this for me would you start with kind of what you guys were doing um out there and and kind of go into the encounter and tell us what happened. Sure. Well, we had some friends that had a horse farm, you know, a ranch, and the husband had business, so he was leaving town.

So me and my ex and my little girl went there because my ex was a horseman. You know, he did it, shoot horses, whatever. And so he went to help the lady and her son, 15-year-old son, helped deliver babies in case there was a problem. So about 3 o'clock, we'd been there. We were there a week altogether. But we had been there a few days, and they had delivered a few, you know, within the week. And we got woke up at 3 o'clock in the morning when the boy had went out to feed

and check on the babies and the mares and stuff. He woke us up and said that there was one of them in labor. So we got up. It was three. And I really know much about the country, you know, horses, that kind of stuff. but I was making coffee and, you know, break taking, because it was chilly, you know, it was just starting of spring, so at night it was, you know, it was cold. So I was taking buckets of hot water out to them so they could wash their hands, you know,

and I was going back and forth. And it was right at day, you know, at dawn, it was daybreak. This mom a horse, big, they're massive, massive horses. She come running down the hill, just full board, just kick, buck and, you know, just freaking out. And I went over to the fence, which was beside the barn. And I looked, I was trying to say, I was going, come here, girl, you know, what's going on? Where's your baby?

You know, that kind of thing. And she just kept, you know, kicking. And it just almost sounded like she was crying and screaming almost. So I looked up the hill and there stood right on the top of the hill. It was, you know, at the time I was thinking, what the heck? You know, it was a white creature. I mean, it had long, you know, two to three inch hair, long hair, had a beard, it didn't have any hair on its face.

But I was like, oh, my God, you know, I just couldn't imagine what I, you know, I'm thinking, what the heck is that, you know? There's no such thing, you know, because I'd always been taught, you know. I didn't know about the Patterson Gimlin. I didn't know about anything of it. And then I ran to the barn, and I told them, you guys, come here, hurry, you know. There's a creature at the top of the hill. And they were like, yeah, all right, okay, we're busy.

We didn't got time, you know, that kind of thing. And so I ran back outside. My horse was still kicking and bucking and, you know, everything. And I walked back over to the fence, and I looked up there, and he was going toward, there was woods on each side of the path that went up the hill. And he was going to the right side of the woods. And when they finally came out of the barn, he stepped into the woods, and they couldn't see him, you know, so they're dogging me, you know, being hateful.

And so I just couldn't stop looking. I had to watch, you know. I'm thinking, you're crazy. What's going on? You know, I just, in my mind, it was just, it had, I kept thinking, oh, my gosh, you know, it's got hair like a bear, but it looks human. You know, it had a human face, its hands, you know, and I just was shaking my head. So it kept stepping out, and then he would step back in. and he was walking like the leap back part of the barn on the hill. And so I was going from the left side of the barn looking and trying to see him

to the right side of the barn looking and trying to seem. And he finally got over towards the right side of the barn and I could see him again. And he just kept like peeking around, you know, and I would step back and then I'd try to peek real slow around again, you know. And the guys, you know, after so, I can't even imagine 30 minutes, maybe 20, 30 minutes later, the guys come out of the barn and was going to go see if they could find the baby horse, you know, because it was missing. So they headed up to the top, and in the meantime, this white creature, you know, kept walking over, and he had hit, apparently, you know, when the guys were out there, because they said they didn't see it when it went, when they went through there.

They looked and they didn't see nothing. He steps back in the woods, the guys come back down, you know, they're saying, oh it's the baby's dead we think it died of natural causes you know no big deal we'll bury it after we're done with the horse so i'm okay you know but i couldn't stop looking you know i'm just like peeking around he it was hidden and so after the guys had came back they went back in the barn while he's peeking around come out and he's peeking around again and it's like you know he he keeps peeking around but you know i kept like standing out longer you know, to see if I could get more details.

And I didn't really get the details, like the wrinkles in the face and stuff, until he came down to the bottom of the barn, but I'll tell you about that in a minute. He, the next thing I know is gone. You know, I keep looking, I keep waiting for him, to step back out, and he doesn't, you know, and I'm thinking, oh, my God, where's he at? And I kept running back and forth in front of the barn, running towards the house, seeing if I could see farther around the barn, and I didn't see him. You know, and it's like, oh, my, you know, so I'm, I mean, this is like 30, 45 minutes later.

I'm still creeping around looking, trying, because I couldn't stop looking for it. I mean, I had to know what was going on where it was at because I had two little girls in the house asleep. So, you know, I'm kind of freaking out in that way, too. Next thing I know, he comes, steps out of the woods. He's, you know, I heard a little bit of crashing through the woods, and I looked up, and he steps out of the woods, and he's carrying that baby horse in his arms. And he laid it down in the tall grass up there. You know, I'm like, I'm thinking, what the heck is, what the world?

You know, what's he doing? You know, I'm thinking, what's he doing? He got that baby, you know. And I could tell that it could, there's no way ever, ever that it could have been a man in a suit or anything. Because a man couldn't fit in a suit that size. It was just huge. So after he lays that horse down, he's to, start coming down the hill.

And, you know, I'm thinking, oh, my God, he's getting closer, but I couldn't, I mean, I didn't want to stop looking. I had to see if I knew for sure that this is what I was seeing, you know, it was like, I felt like I was going crazy because I was taught they didn't exist. Well, next thing I know, he steps, he's got his hand on the barn, and he peeks around. And that's when I got the straight, straight-on look of his face. But I darted back in front of the barn. I'm like, oh, my gosh, you know.

And a few minutes later, I'd peek around again, and he would do the same. But in the meantime, you know, after a few times, he stopped peeking around. So I'm like, what? Oh, my God, you know. So I'm running to the other front side of the barn, and I run back, and I'm looking out. And then when I come back, he's peeking around again. Well, I just found out a couple weeks ago that there was a will barrel with afterbirth that they had put in there and pushed it outside the back of the barn.

Because they had, like, there was two, you know, a couple of the day before, and they had just delivered one, so they had another one right on the way just almost immediately. So they pushed it out the back of the door. And, you know, I kept thinking, what is he doing, you know, and I kept looking around, but I would just make sure I would do it just a little bit longer, because he didn't act like he wanted to hurt me. He didn't have a mean look on his face or nothing, you know, So I, a little bit, and he did the same.

And, you know, I kept, like, pulled my arm out first and that kind of thing to see if I could get him to, you know, do it. He poked out, you know. So I was just curious. And, I mean, the whole time, this is all going on, I have tears running down my face. I'm shaking, you know, I'm just like, I thought I was going to crank. I did, like, a little tiny smile with my lip, and I could have swore in my mind that he did the same. I can't say for sure, but to me, that's what I thought it was. And then he just turned around, and he walked up that hill.

He picked that baby horse up and put it in his right arm under its belly and his left arm in between the front legs, and he turned around and looked at me and just went busting through the woods, and I could hear him for a long time. You know, I could hear him going away, and I kept, by this time, I wouldn't even tell. I told him that he brought the horse. You know, I told the guy, the three in the barn, that he had brought the horse, and they just laughed. And then I decided then on, I wasn't going to say no more because, you know,

that I was just being, they were just being hateful. So after he goes off, well, he goes, they go up to the top of the hill to bear. Or no, wait a minute, that happened before he walked away, because he hid again, and then they went up the hill, and then that's when he turned and went up the hill to get the baby horse and walked off, and then they came back down the hill, you know, 30 minutes or so later, and they were freaking out because it was gone. You know, and they're thinking, oh, my God, you know, she was telling, you know, the truth

that by then I wouldn't even, I wouldn't go to talk to him about it because I was just so upset. They, you know, they, I guess, I found this out about a year ago that the neighbors had seen it too, and they had, some of them had seen it with the horse, and they called the game wardens in. And they came in and met him, and they called it a posse, but it was a bunch of old farmers, young farmers, you know, guys in the country, that kind of stuff, all took their guns and went looking for it. Found the baby horse like five miles away. They found it, but the stomach and all the guts, all the organs, everything was gone. Hoobs, you know, the front legs, back legs, the backbone, and the head were all still there. It was just all the, everything on the inside was taken, and it was just left on the ground.

You know, so I don't know if it stopped and did that, or didn't want to take it with him because, you know, by then he was being chased with, you know, farmers, dogs, game wardens, you know, the woods were just packed with them. But, see, they never, nobody ever told me that. you know, I might not went through the breakdowns and the shit that, or stuff, excuse me, that I went through, you know, if I would have known all the facts that came around it. You know, because I started with, you know, I started drinking, you know, because I just couldn't deal with what I had seen, you know, and then not have anyone to not believe you. That is very damaging to me. Yeah, it hurts, especially when family members don't. believe you. You can take when people you don't know, don't believe you, but when family members are like,

well, are you sure you saw what you saw, or, you know, it's, it's, I mean, I get that. Yeah, you know, it's like, yeah, right, uh-huh, you're an idiot, that kind of thing, you know, and it was just, I mean, I was, they could tell I was visibly shaking and crying, but, yeah, my ex, you know, he just wasn't the one for me, I should say. Yeah, no, I hear you there. And so this wasn't when you were a child. This was actually... No, I was like 24 years old, 25.

Oh, I got you. Right around there. I was 24 because that next December I turned 25. When you guys were peeking back and forth, how far away do you think you were? Well, I'm thinking it was like 25 to 30 feet. I mean, I really don't know exactly. Because I wasn't thinking, I mean, I wasn't thinking about get a camera. you know, for footprints.

I wasn't thinking about anything like that. I was thinking about my baby in the house, you know, what's going on here? You know, and I couldn't get the others to come out when I said, hey, come out, look, you know. But when they'd come out and finally look, he'd step in the wood, you know. And I could tell it was a male because it didn't have breast. And I kept thinking, well, if it was a female, wouldn't it have, you know, breast or, and I didn't see any private parts, you know, or ears. He had hair was down over the side of his head. But he was white with little color, different colors, you know, here and there.

And like I said, I'm not sure if it was dirt or it was actually changing, you know, colors from, you know, a darker to a white. I'm not sure about that. But he was probably nine, maybe 10 foot because he went up to the halfway or a little bit bigger. than the halfway part of the top of the barn. And it was like a barn at top and a half or something, the barn was. And it was like he was, I mean, I was just so amazed, you know, how tall he was compared to me. You know, and when I seen his full body up the hill, you know, I didn't think the size was as big as I thought. You know, till he got down closer.

And I'm just thinking, oh, my God, you know. and but his face he he didn't have hair on his top lip or around his cheeks it was on the beard like a beard and it was long you know it like went down around the neck like hair all the way around his eyes were dark brown on the outer parts and then there was like streaks of yellow around the pupil you know it blended in with the brown not a lot, but you know, you could see it. It was daylight. I mean, solid daylight by this. The sun was shining, you know, so, I mean, I was a perfect way of seeing it, you know, because when it first stopped out, it had just broke dawn. The sun hadn't really even started shining or anything yet.

And that's why I kept thinking, oh, my God, you know, that's not a bear. You know, what is that, you know? And I never even thought of a gorilla or monkey or anything like that. until about three years ago when that finding Bigfoot came on and they were talking, and I'm like, it just dawned on me. Oh, my God, I didn't. You know, I'm thinking, you know, I don't know what this creature is. It had to be at Bigfoot, but I didn't know if it was bear and human or, you know,

that's what people say, you know, monkey, a gorilla human. But to me, he looked like in the face, the hands and the feet. When he walked away, I see in the bottom of his feet. and it was the more human-like, you know, the hands, because I've seen his hand, I've seen the right canine was broke, same size as the teeth beside it, but he had a left canine. So I thought that was kind of weird, too, you know, because I thought, well, maybe he broke it trying to eat something, or who knows, you know. At what point did you see his canine? when he was peeking around the barn and he just kind of opened his mouth just a little. Oh, I got you.

Yeah. And it wasn't like he was being mean or any. I think he was just, I don't know if he'd been coming every day eating at the afterbirth, you know, because they'd been out there for, you know, days and days delivering horses because he had a whole bunch of them that were due around the same time. Yeah. So, you know, I'm not sure if that's why he was there, but, I mean, it's like he knew exactly. where to go, you know, so I don't know, and I don't know

if he hurt that baby or if the baby did die of natural causes because there was no blood or, you know, any kind of damages to it from what the guy has seen. Yeah, that's a long way to find a baby. Oh, I know.

And it was on the back side of that guy's property, and I'm not really sure how many acres or nothing, because I had never been up there on top. I'd only been to the house, you know, like I said, I'm a city girl and kind of went country, you know. And I've, you know, I had to, you know, haul my own water from the creek and four five years. And, I mean, I lived in the wilderness. So we lived off the land, you know, the animals that we killed, that's what we live from, you know.

Yeah, it makes you wonder, it sounds like it probably was an older Sasquatch, especially if it's kind of off your descriptions. and kind of easy pickings, easy meal. I had wrinkles in its face, you know, the lines. But to me, they looked like an old man's face. You know, I mean, I'm not saying he was a man, but that, you know, how old man's face will be where the lines, you know, will be real pronounced. His were like that.

And I've looked at all the pictures that I can find, which I'm not even an eighth of the way there yet. I've gone through videos. I've only heard a couple videos, that kind of stuff. And I've not seen one that looked exactly like it. I've seen a few that were close, but not exactly, you know. So I'm not sure, you know, what that was about. So, you know, and like the only movie I've ever seen is Harry and the Henderson.

And I hadn't seen that before this. You know, I didn't see that till late in the 90s because I didn't have TV. I didn't, you know, nothing like, you know, and since then I didn't even know there was, big foot movies or books or anything you know so I had nothing to go off of um it was a few months ago some guy I'd asked a question on another site if anybody had ever seen a white bigfoot and the guy told me you know I'll put you in this group and because I think it'll be a good fit for you and that's kind of how I started that's been just like two two to three months ago going joining groups and stuff and seeing what I believed in and what I didn't I just kind of you know exit out of

out, you know, and just try to find what I was needing to, where people that may be able to answer my questions or help me figure out, you know, I mean, because I'm still affected by it, you know, just thinking about it, I start shaking and, you know, my husband's not a believer, but he says it wouldn't surprise him, you know, so he's being supportive in his way, but I can't talk to him about it either, you know, he kind of just looks at me like, I think, she's how crazy. But he's been, I've showed him a few videos. I've showed him a few pictures and stuff.

So I think I'm kind of getting more into the believing side, you know, a little bit. Right. And he knows I'm not a liar. So that's what he told me. You're not a liar. So I know that you've seen something. You went through something. Pam, I was wondering, when you initially saw it up on the hill before it came down to the barn,

do you think that it saw you at all, that it noticed you watching it? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. definitely it seen me when it was standing at the top and when I walked over to the fence before I seen it it seen me I know it had to have because he was you know like I said ducking in and out and out and they would come out he would duck in they'd leave he'd step back out and I just I don't know why but I couldn't stop looking for it I had to know where it was at first you know I don't

know if it was because I thought well I can get to the babies in the house you know my daughter was like just turned four or getting ready to turn four at that time sorry but you know I it's just I was just so shocked and you know I didn't even I've never heard of anyone talk about it until the last couple months besides me did it ever grab the afterbirth did it ever get to what you think it was going after okay it was gone yeah yeah yeah because that was another thing that they freaked out because see the second horse had just delivered when they had went up to go look for the baby.

And so they hadn't put that afterbirth in it yet. But when they came back and the second one, they put one to put the afterbirth in it. Wes, how often do we hear that about the soft tissue and the guts just being gone? Yeah, a lot. Your description of how they found the baby horrors is a lot how they find dears. they generally don't find the dears just gone. Generally, they'll find all the guts taken out. They'll find, and it's just an odd thing when people come across it.

And I don't think that the white Bigfoot or as uncommon as people think. I don't think they are. I remember. And I had never heard, I mean, I'd heard a bit, you know, through the years after seeing the Harry and the Hinderich sounds like in the late 90s, I had heard, you know, here and there that they were brown, dark black, you know, that kind of thing, a little red. But I had never heard of a white one until I was watching that show. And they talked about it and it just hit me like a truck. Oh, my God.

You know, they really do have white ones because, you know, in my mind I'm thinking, oh, my God, you must be nuts because they're brown, black, and red. but I had never heard about a white one. I would say red is the most common, kind of the Auburn color. People describe that probably is the most common. I would say black and brown is probably the next. And then you do hear a lot of people that describe white ones. They describe either kind of a light gray or they describe white. It was more of a gray white than a white or a blonde white.

You know, I really, really wish they would have took me seriously. because I think that that would have, you know, I wouldn't have been so affected by it, I think, if someone would have took me seriously when it was happening. I've lived in silence here, and I will not walk into a woods. I will not, if we are on the road next to driving down the road, I watch everything. I'm always looking outside to see if I see anything, you know. I just have a real, real bad fear of the woods and trees.

I don't like to walk up. under trees. I just took over, you know, on a lot of the people that I've gone through. And it's just, it's devastating to someone's life that goes through that. And I feel sorry for a lot of people because they put their selves out there and then they're just stripped apart, you know. And I just think it's unfair, you know. I mean, they somebody, they might not have seen what they thought they saw, but they've seen

something. What part of the country did this happen in, Pamela? Southern Indiana. Well, what I find is amazing is you can pull people from around different areas of the United States that don't know each other and have never really told their encounter before on what they saw. And as they start describing what they saw, there's almost, I mean, isn't Pamela's description, Shannon, almost identical to the last guest we had? I mean, isn't it really just almost identical to what she's describing the way the hair was, the eyes were, the way the mouth was, the way the nose was? It looked more human than animal besides the hair. If the hair hadn't been there, it would have looked more human.

But I know for a world that has nine foot to ten foot people. Right. And when I was a little girl in church, we met the tallest man in the world and the shortest man in the world. And he would have towered over this man. You know, the big foot would have powered over this tallest man in the world, and that was in the early 70s. You know, so, and to even compare that with this, what I saw, it was bigger. It would have stood over top of it by a couple feet. Yeah.

And 10 times wider, you know, I'm 5, 6 and 1⁄2, and it probably from the top of my head to my knees or right around the knee area was how wide his chest was. You know, and he was just massive. And I've never, like even wrestlers, football players, I've never seen anybody that was this muscular and the build that this thing was. You know, I was just, I mean, it creeped me out and just even talk about it. Sorry. Yeah. No, I understand completely. Yeah, up to like a month ago, that was the first time I ever put the whole thing out, you know, out there.

And I want to thank Pamela for coming on the show and being brave enough to share her encounter. I know the afterbirth, eating the afterbirth grows. But what did you think, Will? What did you think of that encounter? It's pretty interesting. I mean, the first thing it struck me when she gave the description, especially when she got to the teeth. Immediately my mind went to an older type 2 creature.

And, you know, eating things like afterbirth and stuff like that is gross. You know, when you put a human perspective on it. But it's what wild creatures do. I mean, they go after whatever's the easiest, and especially an older creature, we'll go after just about anything. Yeah, it was definitely interesting. Go ahead.

And the coloring, the coloring, you know, she's, you know, you're right about that. The cinnamon color, you know, the Auburn kind of reddish-brown, is by far the most common color mentioned in sightings. And then, of course, black and brown, and white or light gray certainly are there. And I probably shouldn't say this.

I'm going to throw a little teetings. are out there and I'm not going to divulge my secret. Renee DeHenon gave me a secret about the white or gray ones that's unique to them. And I'm the only one that knows it after, since he passed away. And it's sort of a control measure. But I'm just going to let the audience, I'm going to leave a cliffhanger right there because I'm not ready to give that secret up yet. What a dick.

He just called you out for his classic dick move. Oh, goodness gracious. You know what I thought I think was the fact that she admitted that the creature had seen her, but it still decided to come closer, which is not usually the normal MO of these creatures. And if we're assuming that a white big foot is, and she said it was very wrinkly, it was an older one. Maybe it just knew it needed to eat that bad that it would, it would champ coming closer. Yeah, it was hungry.

The older ones probably don't get a chance to hunt as well as the younger ones do. And that's very common. I mean, when you look at cougars and things like that, they'll attack things the older ones will that they normally wouldn't. You know, it's out of desperation. Right. Yeah, and it sounded almost desperate. I mean, the thing sounded pretty balsy going down there and like grabbing the dead pony and then grabbing the afterbirth. I mean, it was almost kind of a desperate.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. If you guys were really hungry, wouldn't you just, I mean, whatever you could find, right? Yeah, the behavior. Dead baby horrors or afterbirth, so. Right. Yeah. No, I know a lot of people ask us, and one thing I wanted to, before I jumped to calls,

because I know we got tons and tons of calls, and I want to interview Will and kind of drill Will on his interview. I'm just joking, Will. I'll just normally interview. But, you know, a lot of people ask me all the time, and I'm sure you guys get asked this question, what your favorite show is that we've done over the last, like, 75. And I guess I'll start with you, Shannon. People ask me, God, I just have a hard time remembering, like, the last eight shows. They'll tell me, like, hey, do you remember on episode 32 when you guys talked about this? I have no idea we're talking about.

I can't remember what we did last week. You know what? Not to sound like I'm trying to, you know, kiss, pardon my friend, kiss ass or anything, but yeah, I had to say it because it just, it just did. But when I was early on and you and Woody finally told your encounter, the fact that you guys were, you could hear the emotion and you two were finishing each other's sentences for what happened during that encounter, it sold me. And I think that a lot of people agree with me and I'm not trying to play favorites because, well, you're the boss. Let's face it.

But that honestly is my favorite encounter. I appreciate it. What about you, Will? Is there one that stands out? I don't know about one in particular, but I guess as far as one, I mean, I really love a lot of the witness encounters, but what Kumbo and Bear talked about,

just had me in the edge of my seat every time those guys talk. So I'd have to say they're my favorites. Yeah, definitely, uh, definitely kumbo and bearer. That's those definitely stand out. I would say, I guess for me, like the siege of Haudenabi stands out. Absolutely. That's another one. Yeah, because I'd spent so much time on the person who lived, you know, on the phone with

the person who lived through that. And he had so much information, so much really good information. That one stands out. I think honestly, and I hate to say it because it's the most recent ones, I would say down the rabbit hole episodes have been, you know, they were big. They were big. I don't know. Putting it lightly, they were big.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I had just spent months and months and months and months and stuff really looking into this and really digging. I know we all did, but I mean, really digging into it and really trying to figure out what's going on. And the more and more that I found out, the more and more I really didn't want to know what was going on. You know, as you go through, you're like, really, that happened? And, and then you confirm it with like three other sources. And it just, it's like it gets darker and dark. The whole story gets darker and darker than more. And we didn't talk about everything.

I know the three of us have talked about it personally, but on the air publicly, there's a lot of things that we didn't talk about because we were asked not to. But I don't know. Which is a big thing. You know, I want to make that point, too, is when people ask us not to say things, you know, that's a way to gain trust by people. So we really don't like to, we're not going to give up our witnesses. Right.

Yeah. I mean, there was just so much. Yeah, people don't understand how much that we didn't get to tell. if they knew actually you know even a quarter more of what we knew they wouldn't be questioning our content

yeah and I hate to say that because it sounds like a jerk move to say something like that you know if you have it why not just spill it but there was just so much that of information that we came across and so many different witnesses that we talked to I can tell you

yeah and here's the thing too I mean you know if people ask that. If you start giving up sources, then pretty soon you get no information. Nobody's going to talk to you because you build a reputation for outing your witnesses or your sources, you know. All right. You burn that bridge plus any others that may come up. Absolutely. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I just want people to know out there. There's way more to the story. And I'm sure one day it'll come out. And when it does, I think a lot of people would go, oh, that makes sense. I see why, you know, like Bob's being harassed so much,

I see why there was so much involvement with the government. You know, it's funny, I hear a lot of these, and I don't want to go too much into this because I'll go off in a tangent, but it's like the last, I think, six Bigfoot shows I've listened to, their topics are government cover-up and Bob Garrett. So I'm hoping we can provide content for all the other shows out here for their next coming-up shows. but yeah well and I'll try again this here the next couple weeks but you know it's nice it's nice

credit of that's for breaking that story too thanks guys no but the point of it is and I was trying to tell people online and I'm going to try and back off of Facebook and all these other there's a reason why I'm not really in the bigfoot community and over the last couple weeks I realized why I'm not but there is you know if you're a researcher and you give yourself the title of a researcher, don't listen to an hour or two or how many hours we did on the rabbit hole show and then form an opinion. Look into it. Do your own research. Look into some of the stuff we talked about and then form your own opinion. Your researcher out in the field, do some research before you go on the air and start talking about it. And I think a lot of them

would be shocked as far as what we came across and a lot of that, you know, and I don't like the argument that, well, I'm a researcher. I go and bang on trees on Saturday and Sunday, and I go and call blast and no one from the government's bothered me one bit. Well, there's a reason for that. There's a reason for that. Right. Yeah. You know, and this goes beyond entertainment. The rabbit hole shows I almost didn't even want to air because I knew it would cause this S storm out there with the community. And I was really hesitant. I almost didn't even want to air it. And a lot of the stuff that we found out that we didn't talk about, maybe even kind of question if I even really want to do this anymore or not,

just because of all the stuff that we uncovered. You remember when you and I talked last night, Wes, and I, I used the example. When I wrote notes from the field five years ago, I put in those snap trees, you know, the territorial markings, and I really was on the fence for months writing the manuscript, trying to decide if I wanted to put that out to the public or not, because I knew the moment I did,

every kook would come out of the woodworks with every time they'd see two sticks crossed someplace, that was Bigfoot. But I thought, you know, I'm going to do it because I wanted my name attached to it first. I'm the one that discovered it. So, you know, you have to roll the dice sometimes and put the information out. Yeah. But I think it was one of those moments to where the more I started uncovering, the more I kind of question, God, do I really want to be a part of this? Do I really want to? Oh, and you didn't, you didn't read a lot of the things that was sent to me from my sources.

It got a lot worse. And that's the thing people to understand. just how dark all this can be. Yeah. And it makes me wonder, and I'll get off this topic for, I don't want to drag the whole show down on this topic, but it's kind of like what we, Shannon and Will, we've all talked about. It makes me wonder,

and this is something I've been wondering about over the last couple days, over the last couple weeks. The deeper and deeper we got into this, it made me wonder, I get the economy thing. You know, the outdoor industry is a building, dollar industry. I get, I get why they wouldn't want this to come out.

People don't think it would cripple the economy. I have news for them. It would devastate the economy if this came out because everything across the board would stop. So I get that. I get that these things are killing people. I think it's pretty obvious at this point. A lot of people have gone missing.

If you take like Dave Pilate's books, are every one of those cases, Sasquatch, absolutely not. Is there a portion of those cases of people missing that are Sasquatch related? Absolutely. There's a lot of mysterious deaths out there to where if you don't believe in Sasquatch, there's no reason why this person died. And you start putting pieces of the puzzle together, you start realizing that these things are killing people.

Do I think they all go out and kill people? It's another critique we get all the time is that we only have people on that have these terrifying stories. do I think they all kill stories we get well yeah and it is it is but do I think they're all out to kill people I don't no do I think a lot of them kill people absolutely I do so I get that portion of it but I feel like we're missing a piece of the puzzle on why to cover this up I feel like there's something else and I'm digging into this and if I have an answer for everyone I'll have a theory on it I'll definitely present it to the audience, but I haven't come across yet, but I feel like there's a piece of the puzzle

we're missing. There's something we're missing. And to play devil's advocate, you know, we can talk about how we should bring all this out and everything should be in the light of day. But, you know, for the people in the government may have a very, very good reason why they're doing what they're doing. So, you know, you can't just condemn them because we're not in their shoes. We don't know what they know. Oh, I'll condemn them. I think they're scumbags. No, I'm sure there's valid reasons for it.

But in the same breath, if people are dying based on these things, then it needs to come out. You know, if there's, I mean, unless there's some, something, I don't know. I guess I don't want to get too much under that. I guess that's enough dark talk for the night. Yeah, something more interesting. Do you guys suppose that somehow, some way, you know, how much alien talk has there been over the years and UFOs, right? Are they conditioning people to finally let that out?

Well, what about all the Bigfoot shows as of late? Like, if they're trying to completely covered up, you would think that they would put a stipulation to the networks possibly to not even air those. I'm just, you know, thinking out of the box a little bit. Maybe it's just random thoughts. No, sorry to cut you out there, Shannon. No, you're fine. My view, though, on all these shows is look at the character of the shows.

And if anything, yeah, they're not, I wouldn't say they're conditioning people. If anything, those shows, and it's probably, you know, not government-related, but these shows all portray the subject in one way. And if anybody was behind that, it seems to either disqualify. credit the subject or to at least help keep it on the fringe of believability to the general public. Yeah, I think anytime you can use the media in your favor like they do with these shows, I think that, and I've thought about your question too, Shannon, that's come across my mind

too, is are they kind of, I thought that with all the zombie shows, all the zombie movies coming out. I'm like, man, is there like a major disease coming that we need to prepare for? they sure seem to be on this kick about zombies lately. Your conference has been going on a long time, West. Yeah. Yeah. There's something we need to know.

Yeah. But no, I agree with you, Will. I think that they have these shows for, one, for entertainment, and two, kind of to make a joke of it, you know, like, let's call a show Finding Bigfoot

and let's never find anything. You know, over time, people watching that are going to go, man, is this a joke? I mean, there's really, there's nothing of substance that they bring forward. How often do we hear that or see that in our emails? I mean, hundreds of times. And, you know, people, people call it a joke. I mean, I don't know how they keep their ratings or keep their show going, but that and, you know, there's all the other ones that are really kind of junk.

I mean, there's really nothing substantial in any of these shows. The only positive thing I can say is it's brought it to the forefront, though. It's brought interest back into the subject. I didn't mean to cut you off, Shannon. What were you saying? No, you're fine. No, I agree with that completely. At least we have that.

At least it's a little bit more mainstream, although, you know, like you guys are saying, it's more the giggle factor. Yeah, it's kind of like the tabloid factor though. You know what I mean? It does bring it out to the forefront, but it's kind of on the tabloid forefront. forefront. Yeah. I think the only network, and I was mentioning actually right before we went on the air,

that is doing anything that at least takes the giggle factor down a little bit is the history channel. I think they're doing a halfway commendable job of looking into the subject, and they still go very skeptical with it, which is good. That's good to be skeptical. But for the most part, when you're taking a disco ball and monkeys and Girl Scouts into the forest, that's not a good thing. Just that combination sounds all wrong.

That's a party, man. I don't want to know what kind of party. According to finding Bigfoot, that's how you find Bigfoot. Screaming Girl Scouts and Disgo Ball. Yeah, and it's sort of that, and we'll change the subject after this, but I just want to make one last comment. It's sort of that mentality. It's like I hear all of these other quote-unquote researchers,

and I'd love to know what they're actually researching because, like I said, if you're banging on trees on Saturday and Sunday and you're out there screaming in the woods and no one from the government's ever paid you a visit, that doesn't mean that there's no cover up going on. Trust me. I mean, then I hear the argument, too, that, well, as a country, we can't balance a budget. And all Congress does is argue back and forth. I got news for people. I used to live out in Nevada. And there's a military installation out there that, quote-unquote, doesn't exist. And I can tell you, if you get within about, you know, several miles from it, they know you're there. And they, so they know how to protect a base. I can tell you that much that doesn't technically exist. And I'm not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this whole argument that we can't balance a budget. So no one in the government must know what's going, you know, everyone's an idiot.

I can tell you that's not the case. It's simply not the case. And it depends on, you know, the agency and certain compartments within. an agency, you know, it's not all like one big conglomeration run by one person, you know, the president at the top. It's all these different groups. And many of those groups are very competent, highly trained, very professional people, and very good at what they do. So if they're tasked to do something like this, I have no doubt they're very capable of doing that. Yeah. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well, what I was going to say is it's kind of like,

like the Bob Garrett thing. You know, if Bob had told me this stuff, I would absolutely believe him. But Bob didn't, people don't understand. Bob Garrett didn't tell me any of this stuff. I got all this stuff from other sources. And then I went to confirm stuff with Bob Garrett. And there was stuff he didn't want to tell me that I already knew. And that's when I started really looking into this and going,

you know, maybe there's something to this because I get all these other sources that are giving me, bits and pieces of big information and then I kind of cornered Bob on it and said, hey, did this happen? Did that happen? Did you guys do this? You know, on and on and on. And it goes way beyond a torn up camp, and that's all I can say about it,

but it goes way beyond a torn up camp. And I think eventually when the story actually comes out, when Bob wants or when he's able to talk about some of the things, I think a lot of people are going to go, oh, I get it. And there was, there was some incidents that happened before that came out. Remember I told you that I was privy too. And I was actually, I went for a few days where I was just stunned.

My whole perspective on the subject completely went to a different level. And I started looking at all these, you know, the so-called researchers out there. I just have to chuckle because I realized just how far they were out of the loop on this. Right. You know, and I used to sit back for years and just not pay any attention to the subject because most of these people had no clue what they were doing. And now the perspective, and you've gotten some of that perspective now too, Wes. When you know what's really going on, you can look at the subject and you just kind of shake your head because you know that none of these people have any idea what they're doing. They have no clue what they're getting into.

Yeah, and that's kind of the way I felt about it. Honestly, I really, I mean, we talked about 10% of the stuff of the actual information that we got. And I'll even go even further, a lot of the evidence that we got. And then you realize, you realize why these people aren't being watched or followed. Right. I mean, but honestly, after all of it will and Shannon, after all the stuff I saw and all the stuff that was sent to me and looking into this. And I hate to be so vague with with our audience. I absolutely hate being vague with our audience.

I want it, trust me, I would love just to blurt out the 90% that we didn't talk about. And if people want evidence, believe me, we have it. But this goes beyond just entertainment. I mean, people's lives are being affected by this. And there was a moment there where I thought, do I really want to do this anymore? Do I really want to be involved in this anymore? That's when you realize how serious it is. when you start finding out that people's lives are being affected,

then it becomes serious. People think it's a play thing this subject. Oh, let's go out and bang on the tree and see a big foot. Sorry, folks, it's a lot more serious than that. And it's not just from the government, folks. It's from the nature of these creatures themselves. So it's kind of a, there's more than one thing to be concerned about with this. Yeah, and I think that's what,

excuse me, still finding that cold. zombie apocalypse that aren't being poisoned i'm not sure yeah i think as someone who has not yet actually seen one like you two gentlemen these last few shows have been and i don't want to sound like a kid in a candy shop because i know there is some serious stuff going on the background

the things with bob garrett and what he's going through is disgusting it really is um i'm realizing that you know what, these things are really, they're really out there. And it's hard to grasp when you don't, you haven't seen, I haven't seen one. So I'm with the rest of the, you know, 90% of the audience or more that has not even, I'm not a knower. Do I believe and think that it could be out there?

Yes. But these last few shows have, I guess, got me excited in a morbid kind of way, but I don't like seeing what they're doing to people that are actually. finding the real evidence, mind you, not the Saturday banging on trees kind of folks. Yeah, and I know a lot of people, like in the chat room, I just got sent a message and I apologize to everyone for coughing in the mic. But one of the messages were, you know, we'll start losing credibility if we don't share. And I mean, this is why I question whether you've been doing down the rabbit hole shows. I know for people listening, they'll think it's all entertainment.

And I can tell you firsthand, it's not. I mean, that's what my mindset was going into it. And the more and more we dug into it, the more and more there was kind of a feeling of, do I even really want to share this? Do I even want to err any of this? Because it upsets me and B, some of the stuff we got sent, I mean, it was hard to look at.

Right. Well, let me see this to answer that person's remark. Here's the situation. We've been protecting people's identities and their locations, you know, because of the factor of, you know, being made fun of things like that. And these are people that haven't told their stories either ever or it's, been many, many, many years and very few people I've told. So building that level of trust with people has gotten insiders to begin to contact us. And they give us pieces of information.

And in exchange for not divulging where that information comes from, if we were to out those people, you can bet your boots we would never receive another piece of information again. This showed going to toilet. Right. Would that person burn that bridge? Yeah, so either people can accept a little more information than they're getting on other podcasts or finding Bigfoot or someplace else, a real insight to what's going on or they get nothing. So really, folks, that's your choice. If you want to know nothing, then we can tell things and we're done.

Or we can continue to give little bits and you'll get more of an insight than other folks have. Right. Yeah, and it's like I got sense. stuff and you know from well from different people but I got sent stuff and it was like hey if I end up disappearing plastics everywhere share this stuff and when I got it it was like I don't even really want it it's like I don't I don't want this and you know it's like what um I don't know we should probably just leave it at that I'm going to end up just scary stuff it honestly is and people have no idea what we get sent and what we've been and heard and believe us we wish we

share it but if we did like will said it would be the last you ever heard from that source again period plus the word would bread yeah and we would get nothing from anybody i'll say one thing though is i have plans on all three of us going down to bob garrett's area and um i'm i'm I'm going to have Bob Garrett take us all out to these areas. And if these guys want my SD card from my GoPro, they can walk over my dead cool body to get it. But I mean, we're going to go down there and we're going to find out what's going on. And, you know, I'm pretty excited about that.

So that's coming down the pipeline. And I'll post all that up on the website when that does come. But anyway, moving off to a, happier topic or probably everyone's been bored to death over us just ranting and raving about being vague. And I apologize to the audience. I would love to share everything that we have. I would love to go and say, hey, look at this. Believe me, I'm torn on doing that, but I'm not going to do that. But there will come a time when all of that will come out. but please believe me when I say that going into a lot of this stuff and a lot of stuff that we didn't share, like I said, Will Enchanted, it made me question, do I really want to be a part of this anymore?

Do I really want to? It's just, it was disturbing. There was a lot of things that really, really bothered me. And I guess I'll leave that that. It certainly gives you a different perspective on the whole subject and all those in involved in it doesn't it yeah it does it really does it gives you a whole different perspective and that's why it bothers me so much when you know I hear these researchers that are you know will say well I go out and bang on trees and I go on scream and yell on Saturdays and Sundays

and no one from the government they bothered me there's a golf there's a yeah there's a gulf of difference between where they are in this and where we currently are with this and that's not patting us on the back that's just because of what we know and And have been privileged to be brought into it. Right. Yeah, there's a lot. Well,

I know we're burning up time, and I want to get to some of the phone calls, too, as well. I know, like Jim has questions for you, Will. Tony wanted to share an encounter. There's a long list of people that want to come on the air and talk. And we're going to have to do more of these call-in shows to four people,

because I feel like we just were burned to the time. We get so many calls. Yeah. Yeah, we appreciate everyone that calls in. And if we don't get to tonight, please send us your encounter story or your comments or anything that. And we'll work hard on bringing you on the air if we don't get you tonight. But if you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com and you go to the About section, all of our contact information is there. If you want to send it to support at Sasquatch Chronicles, Will gets it.

I get it. Shannon gets it. And so all three of us will get it at. once. But one thing I want to do, I know with you, Will, I know you've talked about your first encounter when you had walked into the tree line. I know you've had two encounters, but I wanted to interview you on your encounter before we jump to phone calls.

So tell me, Will, what was your knowledge of the subject prior to? You know, no, no. You know, that's a valid question. It's a valid question, yeah. And it's funny, nobody, we've been asking that all this time and nobody's ever questioned why. The reason I always ask that question is because there's so much information out there for the past couple of decades.

It's just permeated society. So if somebody says they had an encounter, I don't want, you know, from a psychological standpoint, all this stuff, you know, let me back up just a tad. when you watch TV, whether you're actively watching it, or if it's just playing in the background, your mind still records stuff that's going on there. You know what I mean? Details and things of whatever is on.

And I think a lot of people absorb certain particulars of this subject. So when they're relating an account, they're not relating it accurately. So going back to my, and I want to, before my first encounter, or first find, I'm going to go back a couple years before that because there were a couple of accounts and kind of give people the mindset. This was back in 1968 when I was 10.

And the year after Patterson got his film, you know, most people would think, wow, everybody knew about Bigfoot. Well, that's not the way it worked. You know, with things in the news, at least back then, before mass media, internet, things like that, it wasn't plastered all over TV or the newspapers. It was through very small channels. Actually, things like Argosy Magazine and some localized newspapers and stuff. So it took that film years to actually get saturated into the public mind. So when I was 10, there was no such thing as Bigfoot or Sasquatch.

Nobody ever heard of anything like that. And we lived in the Puyallup Valley. We had 40 acres on the Puyallup River, mostly heavy timber. And we lived, there were three houses on the road we lived down. And this was, to give the people a mindset, you talk about a rural place. It was literally a dirt and gravel road. And we were the very end farm on the end of this road. And we were sitting watching TV one night, and I think it was the fall after school had started.

And you could see a long way down, or driveway went way down and curved, around probably four or five hundred yards easily. And we saw this light. I have to look outside and I seen after dark and saw this light bobbing up the road. And I told my mom, I said, look, there's somebody's down there. It looks like a flashlight. And it was going a little too fast for a flashlight. So we watched and, you know, come up to the house and pretty soon there's this furious

banging on the door. And we answered the door and there was a boy there about my age. And I thought, I didn't know who this kid was. I mean, we lived in a pretty small town, so I would have known any kid my own age. And he was just hysterical. And my mom told him to come in, and she got him calm down. And he kept saying, I saw the rock quarry monster. I saw the rock quarry monster.

It was after me. And we're kind of looking at each other like, what the heck's he talking about? What's the rock quarry monster? And so when he finally calmed down, he says, you know, I got on the wrong road. I was at my grandparents' place and you got in our picture this road

it was a big hill on one side heavy timber and a huge swamp on the other side of this road and out there in the daytime it was kind of creepy so after dark it was not the place you wanted to be especially as a kid so he said he was riding

along and he and trying to think of where he was and he thought he saw a person coming out of the swamp and he said as I got close it was this giant, hairy man-like monster covered with white hair. We talked about, you know, the guest story earlier with the white Sasquatch. And, of course, it scared him to death.

He took off riding away from it, and then he ended up in our house. So my dad finally come out of the bedroom and asked him who his grandparents were, and he knew who they were, so he took him back there. and I asked my mom. I said, have you ever heard of this rock quarry monster? What's that? She says, no, I don't know what he was talking about.

Maybe he saw a bear or an old hermit that used to be in the area. So I didn't think much of it until I heard my parents talking in their bedroom later that night. And my mom asked my dad, she said, well, what do you know about this rock quarry monster? And he says, oh, I think it's just some old crazy hermit that hunts around the rock quarry that was just up the hill from us. So I, you know, I didn't think much more of it after that. And then the next summer, I was out riding my bike up and down our road. And my mom and my two younger sisters were out by our corral. And they were watching the tree line.

Now, normally, if anybody lives on a farm and has cattle, they will move. They know that cattle will move from one pasture to the next. They have a pattern. They move every day. Well, this particular afternoon, the cows are all up in the barn facing out. And I thought, that's where they should be way down the far end of the pastures. And I went to see what my mom and sisters were looking at. Well, there was something in the tree line, maybe 100 yards from the barn that was just thrashing the trees violently back and forth at the edge of the brush.

And jokingly, I was kind of a smart aleck as a kid. I said, oh, maybe that's the rock quarry monster. And my mom says, oh, there's no such thing. And that was the end of. I thought, ooh, okay. but we couldn't see what was in there, but there was something, and it was much bigger than a bear,

and I had seen a bear on the property, so this was much larger. But, you know, it still didn't dawn in my mind. So moving forward, we moved from that area in 1970, about seven miles away out of the valley. And it's kind of important because of location, because it wasn't that far from the Puyallup River. In mid-December of 72, my friend Mark and I,

my parents weren't the kind of people that were going to shuttle me or my friends back and forth. You know, they just weren't part of that whole mindset. If you wanted to do something, you could do it with your friends, but you had to figure out how to get there yourself. So we would spend the weekend at each other's places and then, you know, ride the school bus there and then back the following Monday. So my buddy Mark came over and spent the weekend, and it was really, really cold that particular weekend. There was snow on the ground. It was about 17 degrees or something.

So, and we kind of got bored, so we said, well, let's go over to our friend John's house. You know, it was the next closest place, about a mile away. And normally we had a trail that went through the brush to get up there, but we couldn't find the trail because of snow. So I said, okay, we'll walk down the road and we'll go along the railroad tracks to go right in front of John's house. So we walked down there, and if you were to picture the railroad tracks, they went east and west, and they were all along the side of this large hill. On the left side of the hill was the upper part, and they come across and went down below on our right side.

And they had cut a fire access road the previous summer on either side, just a dirt road for access to the tracks through the timber up there. And we walked along, and when it got into a really heavy timbered section, we saw ahead of us something red in the snow between the rails and the track. Everything was covered with snow except the rails. And we walked up there and here are these intestines, animal intestines, that were maybe from a coyote or like a medium-sized dog, something of that nature. And we couldn't figure out how they got there because there was no footprints of any animal at all.

The snow was pristine. And we looked down below us on the fire access road, nothing there, nothing behind us, of course. So I said, well, you go ahead up the tracks and I'll climb the hill to the left and see if there's anything up there. And it was about 10 or 12 feet up there. And when I crested the road, the ground was just, the snow was chewed up with footprints. There were footprints everywhere up there. So I hollered for Mark to come and take a look. And we're standing there with our mouths just kind of hanging open because there was probably, I mean, there were dozens and dozens of these footprints.

And they looked kind of like human tracks, except they were bare feet. and I said, who in the world would be up here in this temperature in the snow and their bare feet? And, you know, we put our feet next to them when they were twice our size easily. And at the edge of the embankment there was this big, you know, for lack of a better expression, a butt print in the snow probably three feet wide and a big fist print to the right of that. Where it looked like something that sat down with its feet hanging over the edge. And right below that was where the intestines, were and I said oh well whatever did that must have been right here and dropped them down and then

it dawned on me I said mark those guts aren't frozen yet whatever did that is right here really close then we got scared we took off running and we got to john's house we're pounding on the door you know like kind of like the kid did and uh he answered the door and john had two younger sisters and brothers and of course we came in there and we were you know 14 at the time and we were just, it was pandemonium because our excitement got them excited and everybody was talking at once, but nobody can understand what was going on.

And John's dad comes in from the other room and he says, boys, boys, calm down, what's going on? So we told him and he says, take me back up there to where you saw this. And he grabbed his 45 pistol and a camera, and we all went back up there. And we found there were three different sizes of tracks. The biggest one was around 18 inches,

and I think the other two were in the vicinity of 15, 16 inches. And he didn't know much about it. Probably had seen something or read something. And he explained to us as best he could what this was. Now, you know, as kids, we were big time into monsters watching on TV. So to find out there were real monsters in the forest, that kind of wound us out. So we would meet at Johns every weekend for months after that, and then we'd head up into the woods searching.

Never saw a thing. until the fall of 1974, and that was probably about October because it was freezing at night every night during that time period. And right about dusk, my dog, my colleague, was just going berserk. And kind of facing the direction of where our barn was right near the stand of timber, and we had pigs and chickens and things out there. So there was always skunks and raccoons and stuff coming in the yard, my dad told me all the time.

He said, if something comes in here, shoot it because they might have distemper and they'll bite, you know, the cats or the dog or something. So I figured, okay, the dog's barking at one of these things. So I grabbed a 22 instead of my shotgun or hunting rifle, a couple of bullets. I went and grabbed the dog, told him to go get him. And he went charging out. We had a pasture next to the stand of trees, and there was the gate. So I had to go out through there and then go along the fence.

and he got to the tree line and he froze. And that dog never froze anywhere. He would always just go headlong into the timber. He got porcupine quills in his face twice because he was too dumb to not chase things. So I got about 50 feet from him and he whirled around and comes running as fast as he could past me. And I'm just kind of dumbfounded thinking, what's that dog doing? I've never seen him behave like this before. So he ran back to the house, like he jumped up on the porch, and he sat there kind of shivering.

And I'm kind of scratching my head thinking, I don't get this, I don't know what's going on. So I proceeded to go to the tree line where he was standing, and he was standing there just fixated with these ears up, not moving, tail, nothing. So when I got there, I could hear something moving inside the tree line. Now, these were, you know, pretty good size Douglas firs, a lot of brush along the edge of the tree line there. and inside the tree line there was a great big maple tree, and the base was probably, you know, three, four feet across this tree was. And so it was clear inside the tree line, but there was a lot of low-hanging branches,

so I had to push my way through to get into this clearing. So I had my rifle in my right hand, and I pushed my way through with my left hand, and as soon as I cleared the tree limbs, I happened to look up, and remember, the light's kind of fading. It's right at dusk, so I could see in there, pretty well, but it wasn't great because there was a lot of shadows. But in this clearing, in the leaves, here was this massive thing standing there.

And it was moving the leaves with its right foot. And for some reason, I remember looking at the movement. And I can picture a lot of detail with the foot, the hair and stuff. And I thought to myself, what in the hell is this? And from growing up on a farm, you know, I knew animals away, you know, in hunting with my parent, my dad and stuff. I knew what animals weighed and sizes pretty well. So this thing, based on my own height, had to be at least eight feet high,

and every bit of 800 pounds, it was massive. The shoulders, like with you, West, you know, talking about your encounter, how massive the shoulders and things were this thing. I'd never seen anything this big before. And I was less than 15 feet away from it. And when it saw me come through, it stopped moving. and I didn't get great detail in the face because of the shadowing, but it looked a lot like what you see in the Patterson film,

you know, the conical shaped head, massive jaw, but the eyes, I kind of fixated on the eyes. It was staring at me and was not a happy look. And I thought to myself, you know,

oh my God, you know, what do I do? And I thought, well, I'll shoot in the air. I mean, I've only got a 22.

22's not going to do anything to something this big. because the shoulders were four feet plus across, and I mean, very deep, thick chest, you know, from front to back. And I could picture the hair. The hair was, it was hair. It wasn't fur, and it was probably between three and six inches long. It wasn't uniform all over. And it wasn't uniform color.

It was mostly dark brown, but there were streaks of lighter colored hair. And I can't say that it was gray. it could have been, I don't know, maybe more of a tanish or yellowish-colored hair because of the lighting. You know, color, kind of loose color at that time of day. But I thought, okay, I'll shoot in the air and maybe it'll go away. So I shot in the air, and it just stood in motionless. I could hear, you know, I could hear breathing quietly. And I hear movement from my right rear.

So I kind of turned my head a little bit so I could keep an eye on this thing. And from behind some brush to my right, here comes another one. And it walks past me and stood over next to the first one. And it was a good head shorter. I'd say just right at shoulder level, maybe a little lower. And it was definitely lighter by a couple hundred pounds than the first one. But it looked very similar. And it kind of glared at me.

So I sort of decided at that moment to take off running like the dog it and hope they wouldn't, you know, snatch me up. And after we found, I didn't mention after the, we'd found the footprints the first time before, when we'd got back to my house, and we were excited because, you know, we didn't know anything about this. It was really exciting stuff.

My parents and younger sisters just gave us help, you know, about that. So when you find something that's exciting to you, you know, for people to make fun of you is really, it really puts your outlook in the toilet. And it made us not want to tell anybody again after that. So when this event happened, I ran back to the house and I called my friend John. I said, John, I just saw these two things, run down the whole situation. And he said, well, what do you want to do?

And I said, well, why don't you guys come over to my house tomorrow morning before first light and we'll track them and see if we can't catch up to him? see, you know, we were dumb kids. We didn't know what we were going to encounter. So five of us met up my house the next morning, and it frosted very heavily at night, so we were able to track these two things. And we tracked him with our hunting rifles until we lost the trail when the sun come up and melted the snow, or the frost, I mean.

So that was pretty much my first encounter. Yeah, I'm, I just asked you what your knowledge was on the, off on So. I see we're going to post my chops. No, that's I just say that's an interest. He elaborated, that's all.

No, I, for one, I'm really happy that you had that encounter because about that and the subsequent one, you wouldn't be here with us. So I'm happy for that. I wanted to ask you, well, did you ever talk to your parents? about what you saw? Did you ever go in there and say, hey, I just saw these two things out there in the woodline? I never did. Because my parents were the kind of people, they were very no-nonsense. And if they said something once, that was it. Even as an adult and a sergeant in the army. And I could, I was pretty close with my mom. I, you know, I could have talked to her about anything. I never brought it up again. Yeah, and I already knew the answer to that question. I just thought I'd ask it for people out there listening.

The other question, I know that Jim was going to ask you, and I saw it in the chat room, and I apologize for everyone in the chat room, I'm having a lot of time keeping up. But why do you think that they didn't attack you? I think it was because I was holding a rifle. Yeah. That's the only thing I can figure. I mean, because the look in their faces were not happy at all. I mean, I honestly think if I had not had a rifle in my hands, the situation would have ended up a lot differently.

Yeah. I got the impression, the smaller one was a lot younger one. Yeah. Do you think it was the female or the companion to the first one? Or do you think it was actually a younger one? I think it was a younger one. I mean, I got the impression, and not so much at the time, but later when I studied anthropology in college, based on the weight distribution that both of them were male. Now, I did learn later there were, I did learn later there were three of them in that group.

So I'm assuming the third one was a female, but we didn't find any tracks of that one. I got you. I'm sorry, Wes, go ahead. No, go ahead. What do you think the weight was on the second one, the smaller one? I would have said five, six hundred pounds. Yeah. I wanted to ask you, too, on your second encounter, I know a lot of people have heard your,

or maybe they haven't heard your first encounter. I wanted to, can you go into your second encounter? What were you doing when you encountered the one out by the Walshugal watershed? And can you describe what you saw and kind of go into the time of day and really go into? That was a pretty brief encounter. But when I moved to Vancouver, 1986, I contacted Renee DeHendon and John Green and told him I had moved there. And both of them are pretty excited because they said, They told me that I was the first good Sasquatch hunter in the area since Roger Patterson.

Nobody else had looked. It really done any work in that area since Patterson had passed away. So I started looking based on a reporter out in the Camus Record newspapers information along the Washougal. There were a lot of encounters up in that area. So I started looking up there. And it wasn't too long before I started finding tracks up there. tracks were, I think the first ones we found were 16-inch tracks and up in the snow around there. So we were going up there.

This was in March of 88, and we were going up to that particular area again. And I found tracks two or three times up there previous to this. So there were a carload of us. We were headed up there. And I remember looking at the water. And I always think about this because the water, on the Washougal, especially that lower area, it's just beautiful. And you know it, West Owl, especially in the summer, that just clear blue, green color it is.

I was looking at that, thinking about the Ohanap Kosh River that I used to fish as a kid on Mount Rainier. And just kind of reminiscing. And while I was, my mind was wandering off as I was driving along, I saw something move just across the river. And you know, that's not a very wide area through there. It's maybe between 100 to 150 feet away from where my car was. There was this, I mean massive. Now, the first Sasquatch I saw was big. This one dwarfed that one.

And it was a light gray color and almost uniform, the color all over its body. And it was facing the brush kind of sideways. It's the left side was sort of facing us. and it took a step and just reached up, grabbed an alder tree, and it was gone in the brush. It left that quickly. And I stopped the car and I told everybody in the car, I said, don't say a word, draw what you saw. Because I wanted to see if I really saw what I did. I was even questioning myself even though it was right there in front of us.

And everybody drew exactly the same thing. There were some small details. Like we actually did see part of an ear on its left side of its face where the hair had moved away. But it was, I can begin to describe how big this thing was. I mean, the first one I saw, I'm sure it was around 8 feet high. This thing had to be closer to 10. And the weight was, I estimated then, around 1,500 pounds. And I'm pretty sure it was close to that weight.

It was just, it was huge. I found tracks of it later that were 18 inches long. and at one point I found tracks from this individual that were sunk into a gravel pile. This gravel pile, after they're wet, you know, with clay and stuff and get pretty hard packed, and it really takes a lot of weight to leave an impression. And at the time, I weighed about 200 pounds, and I didn't make a single mark in this gravel pile. These tracks were roughly six inches into the gravel pile. So, that thing was heavy.

It was heavy. And what was it doing just walking away from you? I don't know what it was doing. It was just kind of standing. And I don't know if it was down there getting a drink or what it was doing, but it was standing there. And like I said, it was backwards to the water. And then as my car come around this bend and approached, as soon as we were in sight, it just simply walked away. It took, I think, two steps and was gone.

What were you going to say, Shannon? Will, I was curious about the ear because almost no one sees the ears. Was there anything anomalous or strange that you noticed about that? Not really. It just kind of the way it stuck out of the hair. And it wasn't particularly big. I think the hair was just parted in that particular spot. Right.

Do you think it looked more human-like, or do you think it looked more primate-ish in the term of, like, ape? I wouldn't say human. I mean, it wasn't really stooped as much as the first two I saw. It seemed like it was, it was back was a little straighter, you know, sort of the shoulders up and back. Appearance-wise, I mean, it was, again, it was very close to what you see in the Patterson film. The only difference was the shoulders were much bigger and wider. On that one, as a female, going back to the anthropology, If you see an individual from the back, and this goes for humans too, most often,

and this isn't anything against, you know, anybody, I'm not saying weights or anything like that, but the way human weight is distributed generally in males, the center of gravity is high, and in females it's lower, more towards the hips, and in men it's closer to the shoulders. So you can generally tell whether something is male or female, least it in terms of primates, by where the center of gravity is. So this one was, it was huge in the shoulders. I mean, I have no idea in terms of measurements, well, how big that was.

But like I said, it dwarfed the first one I saw. Yeah. Especially when he sees something at a distance. I remember like when Woody and I had our encounters, had our encounter, we were, I remember watching it walk across the road. And I remember when we went back up to get the GPS, I stood in the road with my iPhone, and I was filming it. And what he said, well, I think it went across the road about here.

And we were about here. We're judging distances. And I said, yeah, you're about right. So I parked the car there and had him walk back across the road where we saw this thing come out. And I remember thinking how tiny Woody looked when he walked across it. How he just looked so tiny. And it was so fresh in my mind at the time, how physically large is. thing was and what he's not really a small man you know when he he's a big guy and it just that just

made me think about when you were saying that how you went back and did that with that the actual location we weren't able to get across the river that day because the water was high and it was running really fast so but we did eventually get back up there and get across the river and to that spot and the same thing when when you actually stood next to the tree the saskatch grabbed uh the place where it grabbed was uh probably a foot high above my head. And at the time, it looked kind of low. But, you know, that's in the context of the creature.

The creature was so large where it was reaching. And it kind of reached straight out. It didn't reach down or up or anything. It kind of reached straight out, grabbed the tree, and up it went. But the trees and everything looked so much smaller until we got there. Yeah. Yeah, a huge difference when you go back, right? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And 1,500 pounds of things huge. I know the one we saw, I would have said about a thousand. And I remember thinking, I hope they don't get any bigger than that. Oh, they do. And there was, and not long after that siting, we had our siting. I got a report from a local of another siding just up the road away from there about a mile or so.

There was a road crew working. And it was kind of a comical. It was a, you know, quick encounter. There was three or four guys up there with a bulldozer, and they were widening the road for some new logging they were going to do up there. And they happened to notice this thing standing there watching them work. And they estimated the size about the same as the one I saw, but it was dark brown. And the dozer operator decided he thought he was going to scare it by blasting the horn.

He blasted the horn on the dozer, and the thing screened back, and it was louder than the dozer. Scared the hell out of the whole crew. So I knew there were a pair of them up there. And really, you know, on the Wash Eagle River isn't that far from where you guys had your encounter. No, it's not. I think it's probably a different group, but it's, you know, relatively close in there. Yeah.

Yeah, it's kind of this whole area up here in the Pacific Northwest, especially in Washington State, I think is somewhat of a hotbed of activity. And it's funny, the more and more people I talk to that are out here, you know, out in Yackel or in cougar or some of these little small towns as you go up towards mount st helens a lot of times if you stop in these little country stores and you ask people uh you know do you think this exists or do you think it it's pretty shocking a lot of their answers i don't think i've come across really one person that said oh no it's complete bs every person i've ever asked yeah you would think people laugh at you i used to do the same thing i'd go all over in schmagnaned clark counties you you know, all the little stores and restaurants and things.

And I'd walk over to total strange and say, you ever see a big foot? Right. You know, waiting any second for the, you know, the big laugh, but it never came. Yeah. And a lot of them will tell you, I mean, I've talked to a lot here recently out in those areas. And it's funny because the first thing they'll say is, well, yeah, it exists. It's just like a bear.

It's just like a cougar. I mean, we see them, you know, and it's just odd to hear some of the responses from a lot of people. It's very matter of fact. Yeah, it's very matter of fact. You're waiting for people to laugh about it, and then they don't. And a lot of times they'll tell you what they saw if you ask them. But people don't just jump the information out. You've got to ask them, and they'll freely give the information on what they saw,

and especially in those areas. And you know what's interesting is oftentimes now people either say there's usually one of three answers. I've never seen anything. I have seen something. and they'll tell you, or they know someone, usually a personal friend or a family member that saw one. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right.

Well, I know we got like 30 calls on the queue. And so we're running out of time. Yeah, I feel bad. We'll have to do another call-in show. And if you've called then to talk about your encounter or you have a comment, if you would, please email me or email all of us at support at saskwatch chronicles.com and we'll bring you on the air the next time we have a show. But that's funny.

I was telling Shannon tonight, I was like, you know, I was kind of hoping to do like a maybe an hour show, maybe like a 90-minute show. And here we are almost two hours into it. I'm sorry if we bored everyone with the whole. Too much good stuff. I enjoy the caller shows. You know, I really do enjoy those.

Yeah. No, I do too. It's just I do too. It's enjoy it. You know, a lot of those stories we don't normally get. And when they call in, I wish we would have, I know we're running out of time, but I wish we would have planned better to take more and more of those calls. Should we bring one on before we close it out? Or should we try and bring a couple of these on? Let's try to bring one if we can. I was hoping he'd say, no, kick the music on. Let's get out of here. Maybe we should do a total caller show next week. Yeah, or even a midweek. We probably should. Yeah, midweek. That's a good idea, West. Yeah.

Yeah. Go ahead, Tony. You're on the air. Hey, guys. How you doing? Hey. Good. How are you?

Good. Good. I just want to say hi, hi, Shannon. I'm the guy on Facebook that play saxophone and flute, but not around the gift tree. Oh, yeah. Hi, Tony. How you do you? Good. Yeah, I emailed my encounter a couple of weeks ago, and it was in the Allegheny State Park.

Forrest, I was on college camp. He had a college camp. I think it was in September in 1976. and what they were doing they were trying this new thing where they could get people to interact and meet each other so they decided we would have this college camp and they would take a lot of students out you know to the state forest so it must have been about maybe 75 students so when we get out there it was on a Friday

we must have gotten there probably around one 32 o'clock. We all had an assembly in the mess hall. And there were a couple of four-inch rangers there and everything, and they wanted to try this exercise where they would group several people together. And in our instance, it was like six of us. And they would give us a map and a compass and they would take us about maybe a couple of miles away from the camp and we had to make our way back to the camp and they figured during that period everybody would talk to each other and get to know each other you know that type of thing so um buddy of mine pretty much talked me into it because he says hey man there's going to be a lot of hot girls out there so they put us in

group, there was three girls and three guys. And what was funny about it, this one guy that decided to come along with us, he was early prepared to be out in the wood. He actually had, like, on platform shoes, so we were like, man, this is going to be fun with this guy. So the Rangers dropped us off at different spots, and we figured it was going to be easy because all we had to do was just backtrack, just make a beeline over this huge hill, and we would end up back in the camp.

But anybody that's been out in the forest knows you can't walk in a straight line. So we were walking back through the woods, and it was really cool because the forest had like a canopy where it would cast this weird, light over the forest floor. You could still sometimes see the, you know, the sunshine through. So we're walking. And like I said, this one guy that was with us, he was wearing like platform shoes and we were just like, man, this guy is going to really hold us back. So we're walking along and we're talking and everybody's introducing themselves to each other, you know,

where you're from and what's your major or so-and-so. And how Halfway through, he smelled something because me and my buddy weren't really paying attention. We were just trying to get to know the girls. And he said, something's dead out here. And so we kind of sniff the air. And sure enough, there was a smell. I don't know if you guys, well, I'm quite sure you guys had dogs when you were growing up. But I remember when a dog would find something dead and roll in it, and then he would come back home and you're like, wow.

When the hell have you been rolling in? Well, that's kind of what it smelled like. It smelled like a dog that had rolled in something dead. So one of the girls said, something's definitely dead out here. So we just kept walking. Then we heard footsteps. I don't know if you guys are old enough to remember the show The Monsters. right um there was a sound there was a sound that herman monster used to make when he walked it was like a thud

well this is kind of what we heard we heard these thud like footsteps and so by this time we were we were pretty much lost because we wanted paying attention to where we were going so somebody so the the guy with the platform shows, he said, hey, I think that's one of the other groups. And he yelled out. He said, hey, we're lost. You guys know the way back. But they didn't answer.

And so we kept walking. And then we heard these two grunts. It was like, oh, and then one other girls said, is that a bear? And I says, I don't think it's a bear. I say this, the other guy's where it sounds like a moose or something.

We didn't know what it was. So we continue walking, and then we heard the footsteps again. About 30 yards away from us to our flank, we saw something standing behind the tree. And it had, and it started doing this little sway. But we couldn't quite make out what it was because I mentioned earlier, you know, there's this canopy, this wood canopy that kind of casts a dim light over the forest.

But we knew it was somebody over there. Now, what we saw was a very tall person. Now, I have buddies that were on the basketball team, and they hadn't come, but this thing was taller than they were. And then the guy yelled out again, hey, we're lost. Can you guys help us get out of here? And I says, that's not anybody from one of the other. groups. And then we heard another sound to the right of us. We heard like something was a breaking tree limbs

or something like that to the right of us. So we all looked at each other and we're like, let's get the hell out of here. So as we started walking really fast, the other guy I was telling you about with the platform shoes. He took his shoes off. He's walking. and it's socks. And we're listening, and we could hear cars in the distance. And I said, there's a road down there. So what we started doing was heading towards the sound of the road. And as we were walking, now whatever was following us is now behind us.

And we literally ran down the side of this hill to get to the road. Once we got to the road, we flagged down the next car, and this older couple was coming through, and we piled in their car. And they says, where do you guys come from? I said, we're from so-and-so camp. I forgot the number of the cap has been in quite a while. And we piled in that car, and they took us back to the camp, and nobody said anything.

Then when we got back to the mess hall, All the other groups had been back at least a half an hour. And it was getting dark. And we come busting in there, and everybody looks at us and start laughing. Like, what happened to you guys? And the guy that was wearing the platform shoes says, there is a monster out there, and everybody bust out laughing. And I had, to that point, never heard anything about Bigfoot.

The only thing I was familiar with was the Obama Snowman. But I'm thinking that's over in Nepal. But any bipedal creature that I was aware of was just that. And so when I got back to school, I went to the library, and I started trying to figure out what it was that could have possibly been in there. And I looked at the indigenous animals to that

area, and there were bear, there were deer, but there was nothing that was close to what we saw. And I would run into a couple of people on campus from time to time,

and they would ask me, what do you think that was out there that we saw? And I had no idea. Then the Patterson film came out. And I said, oh my God. Yeah, then it starts making sense. I said, I bet that's what it was.

But when I saw the Patterson film, it was like in Northern California. So I'm saying, well, are these things everywhere? And I never told anybody about it. Well, I told a couple of friends about it. You know there's certain people after, having a conversation with them for a while, you can kind of determine, I can't tell this person that.

They're going to think I'm an idiot or something. But it was when I started seeing these television shows that I started realizing, you know, these things must be everywhere. Because when you see the Patterson film, the first thing comes to mind, okay, there's a group of them in the Northwest, a family of them. You don't quite imagine that they're all over the place. And so I started doing a little more research, and then I found, you know, with Internet,

I found that people were seeing something close to what we saw in the Allegheny Forest. Yeah. No, it's definitely when you start putting the pieces together, it's, you know, from your encounter, and then you start hearing, you start seeing all these other things, then you start pointing together what you actually saw. Tony, we're just about out of time. Okay.

I appreciate you. I appreciate you sharing your encounter very much. I don't mean to cut you off. I know we're almost out of time. But thank you so much for sharing it with us. Oh, you're welcome. You're very welcome. Let's go to Tracy.

Tracy, you had an encounter you wanted to share with us? Yes, I do. Okay. Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. Harry, just fine. Okay. I live in East Central Alabama, and I had several encounters back in the early part of around

2002 or 2003 on some hunting club land that I used to have. And I reported them to the BFRO, kind of got the brush off, and they kind of didn't put what I reported on their site. But I have a job that keeps me traveling. This past July or August, I don't remember the date. I was going from Tuscumbia, Alabama, to Bolivar, Tennessee. It was storming and really heavy rain, heavy storms, and it's a pretty long stretch of it.

I'm sorry, I crossed over into Mississippi. I know I was not far from. I was not far from... Take your time. I'm sorry, but I'm getting the shakes right now, just thinking about this. I was within a mile and a half of Pichomingo High School on that highway. Just a really long flat stretch. And the belt, the serpentine belt on my truck broke.

I drive a big delivery van, a big Dodge Sprinter, Billy Rivan. I pulled over and called into the office like we're supposed to do, you know, and I told them I knew what had happened. I raised the hood up and looked. Sure enough, it was wrapped around everything. I got back in the truck, called the office. They said, okay, we'll get you somebody there as soon as we can.

And I said, okay, well, it's really stormy, but it was still really hot and humid. I mean, just really sticky hot. but it was raining and storming too. I got bored sitting there, so I decided to climb into the back of the van, which it's open from the passenger compartment to the cargo area, and start this cargo getting ready for my next delivery and everything. And got kind of hot, run the air or anything in the truck. So I opened the side cargo door on the truck just to get some air in there.

and I had hung a flashlight from the ceiling so I could see kind of what I was doing. I'd been doing this for about 15 or 20 minutes and the rain had kind of slacked off a little bit. And, well, nature called, you know, I had to take a leak. I didn't want to get out of the van and get wet. I was already soaking wet with sweat. I don't know why it bothered me so much to get out of the rain,

but I just kind of stood in the side cargo door. I was looking out the back windows of the vehicle to see if there was a vehicle coming, you know. There wasn't, and I just was standing there happily whizzing, and I heard a noise beside the van, out on the outside of the van, kind of like a deer snorting or a horse snorting, you know, noise. I had passed. I had almost hit a deer not long before I had. And I'm thinking there's no way a deer is standing.

beside this truck right so i take your time i'm still not believing what i saw when i stuck my head out the door of that vehicle now this is a big dodge sprinter van and i'm standing inside it which it's eight foot tall on on the inside at least stick my head out the door and i'm looking inches away face to face something i've never seen in it good lord and it's it It startled me. I stumbled backwards, and I deliver magazines, and we carried the magazines in these plastic tote boxes. And I had several of them open and scattered around me.

When I stepped backwards, I tripped and fell backwards. I was toats up against the driver's seat on the far side from the cargo door. I did not just see. To be honest, I think I urinated on it. I think I took a leak on whatever that was. Right, right. I went on a pile of toes thinking, I did not just sit in.

I'm trying to get my pass back up. I've already peed on myself and all in the truck, stuck its head in the door. Now, this thing, my feet, it could have reached, just easily reached and grabbed my feet. I honestly thought that's what it was going to do. A lot of cats. on my job for my boss and he's got us all because we some of our drivers have been robbed

before I keep up 45 I usually keep it clip to the driver's seat which is where it was and at that moment all I could think of was getting my hands on that thing and I managed to things got his head stuck in the truck looking at me I'm reaching for the pit vibrated the entire vehicle and this is not a small truck. This is a Dodge Sprinter, 3,500 cargo plane. This vibrated the entire vehicle. I mean, like,

I mean, it vibrated like when you run across the Rumble strip, going down the road, the strip on the road. That is exactly, I mean, I've hit that, driving this thing, actually vibrates and rattles and rings.

Right. It actually hurt my ears. it made me the only description I can give to that sound one time I was standing really close to some railroad tracks

when a train was crossing right there really slow and he hit his horn and that horn actually vibrated my skull so bad that I felt dizzy for a second right

so my pistol it had it expression on this I don't even know what to call it it recognized the pistol didn't it it?

It looked me it was looking at me really not really like angry but like you're in trouble but when I pulled the pistol and pointed at it its eyes got really big mm-hmm it knew what it was yeah and then it I remember it first it's lips into like a big oh and it it really made a really high-pitched like a who sound it high-pitched trying to I'm pulling the tree but nothing's happening. I realized I had the slide locked and I'm trying to get it off. Before I could it disappeared out of the vehicle. It pulled back and I got it up.

I saw how I'd done it but I got up between the driver and passed back door down the side of the vehicle to see where it was because I don't know. Yeah. And I... You gotta say the least. I took a step. The passenger seat to look toward the rear of the vehicle because that's where he had moved away to. Just before I got the balls up to stick my head out and looked, it screamed again.

It passed the door. It was going towards the front of the vehicle, but it was going away from me at about a 45-degree angle. I don't know if you ever heard of 45 fired in an enclosed area. Oh, yeah. I was in the Army for 10 years. Yeah, that's I pulled the trigger And it put me on my knees

Pretty much You probably lost your hearing For a while too Yeah All I heard was a pop And then a ringing noise Yeah But

As I did that There was a flash of lightning I mean it had been storming But it wasn't storming At that moment But there was some distant lightning And it lit up just enough that I could see that there was not one.

There were at least those that I saw. I emptied the magazine just out the door of that thing. And I keep two spare magazines clipped, you know, next to the pistol itself. I normally don't know why I'd hit at that. I reloaded, and I couldn't hear anything. but I could just feel screams. Three few seconds, it felt like the vehicle was vibrating. Grabbed the cargo door and slammed it shut.

And I jumped up into the driver's seat. And not far from where I was broke down, there's a small town, maybe three, four miles away, called Burnsville, Mississippi. I hope the truck would crank, and it did. and I dropped it in here and I took off out of there without lights

and without windshield wipers away to Burnsville, Mississippi very small town there's like the convenience stores a restaurant or two and that's pretty much it and I pulled in

the truck was nearly dead it was dying it was barely running when I pulled in I called my boss and explained to them that I had moved the truck and that I needed to

let them know where I was I wasn't on the highway Let me ask you a question. Before you fired at the creature the first time, you heard the first time it made the first vocalization and then when it saw the pistol, it made another sound. When it made the third vocal, was it more similar to the first or the second noise?

The first sound that it made, it was just like a very angry... Kind of a more of a growler. Well, you had a... guy that had worked in Smoky Mountain National Park as a college student. Right. And he imitated the sound. And when I went to listen to that story and he did it, it made the hair on my neck stand up.

I was in my bedroom, in my bed listening to that. And it made the hair on my next end of that. That was the closest sound that I've ever heard to that. I guess what I was asking is the third time it made a sound when it was outside of the when it was outside the vehicle. Was it closer to the first or second sound? It would be closer to the first, like it was angry. Yeah.

My guess is what was going on was they were probably hunting. And the first time around, they probably thought they had bagged you. And then when they saw the pistol, that was a warning to the others, that you were dangerous. Now, that's a guess, of course, but based on past behaviors, that would be my guess. Tracy, I'm kind of curious. Can you describe the face and kind of what you saw? Them and us, that creature on them and us. That's a very common, very common one thing.

When I first heard you guys talking about that, I looked that up. And when that picture came up on my screen, I almost passed out. Did you see its teeth by chance? No, I never did. It was dark. It had gotten dark. But I was standing flat-footed in that vehicle. I'm 5'11.

Now, that vehicle probably stands good two feet off the ground. And when I stuck my head out, I just stuck my head out and looked to the side of the vehicle. It was right there in my face. Now, I kind of got the impression that it was kind of hunched down a little bit. Yeah. But I'm not afraid to see. say that this thing was eight foot to eight to nine foot tall.

Right, right. And I'll tell you what, that picture from them and us, I can't tell you how many times I sent that to people and their response was they, and every time almost uniformly they were stunned. They'd never seen any artwork that close to what they saw. So you're right in there with a lot of other folks. The only difference was it had a number. nose more like a human, a really wider. That was wide and flat nose.

And if I just dark brown, they weren't. I've got it. If you send me an email, I'll send you a little updated version of that picture, and I'm pretty sure it'll be pretty close to exactly what you saw. Honestly, Mr. Gibney, I'm not sure I'm going to see it. I mean, I've actually had to drive that route. I just had to drive it this past week, and I've actually rearranged my route so that I don't go that part of the route at night anymore.

I mean, I don't know. Can you send me that location? I sure can. That's why I wanted, I've seen an email asking to get in touch with Coombo. Because he is from Cuscomia, Alabama. And I would really appreciate that. I really would because I talked to my girlfriend at the time about that. She thought I was nuts.

And she has been with me and saw some of the things that happened on our hunting club. I thought I was losing my mind. You're not crazy. Why am I so scared now? Because I swear to God, I can't even go fishing anymore. Because you know what's out there now. I mean, this can't be real. They're real.

How long ago did this happen, Tracy? It was. I can't even give you the exact day. of it. I don't, I don't know why I can't even remember the exact date of it. Yeah. Yeah, you go through that after you had an encounter. I did the same thing. You know, you go through that. Yeah, it's traumatizing. You don't want, especially how close you were, you were really close, but you don't want to go out of the woods anymore. You don't want to go fishing anymore. And you kind of go through this mindset of, did this really happen? I mean, did I really see, am I going crazy? Did I see what I thought I saw? I still feel that.

I still asked myself that sometimes did I really happen. I mean, and I did it. I swear it. I am not lying. I am not making this up. I couldn't ever make anything like this up. I mean, this is just... No, no, we believe you.

Yeah, no, I believe you 100%. And you'll go through that. I think time helps. It does. The more you kind of look into this, and the more you kind of, even though you don't really want to, but the more you kind of start looking into this, it actually helps out a lot because in your mind,

after you've had an encounter, you're thinking, what are these things? You know, what am I? It helps to incorporate it into your knowledge, so you can kind of come to terms with it. Thank you, yes, so much. I swear. Thank you, Casey.

this is, you know, sort of cool. You know, there's big feet around here, you know. And me and the guys in the hunting club, we all pretty much had the same attitude because after I asked around a little bit, several others had experiences too, you know. We didn't pay it much, mine. We figured if we didn't bother them, they won't bother us. But that thing that I saw that night, Fishermingo, Mississippi, I have no doubt in my mind that it was about to eat me or it was about to kill me.

Yeah, that's probably exactly what they were planning. You know, back when I was in the Army, I had a friend of mine from Colorado. One year we could leave together. I spent two weeks with him, and he spent two weeks with me down here. While I was out there in Colorado with him, we were hiking up in the mountain. And I knelt down to drink some water out of mountains. When I looked up, there was a mountain around. the other side of the creek looking at me.

He shot at it and scared it away. But that fear that I felt, that moment, multiply it by a 10, and that's what I felt that knife in that truck. Oh, yeah. I know what you felt. So does it. I knew at that moment that I was not the predator.

I was the prey. That's like my first encounter, I think, had I not been holding a rifle, I think the outcome would have been very different. do you really think that it would have I mean I mean can you explain what you mean when you say that I've heard you say that for I think they recognize weapons

and they know humans are dangerous to begin with but if we have a weapon I think that holds them in the day to be honest with you I know this thing when I pointed that pistol at it it knew it looked at it curiously for about a second or two and I was trying to pull the trigger but I had the slide locked on it and I could not get the slide lock I could I couldn't function I guess I was just shaking so bad but then his face went from curious it went from angry to curious then to like holy crap and it made this real loud kind of a whooo noise within I got slide lock off and it just

appeared from view. And it took me probably... No, go ahead. It took me probably three or four seconds to extract myself from the position where I was. I was kind of on my butt and some totes behind the driver's seat to get up and get between the driver and the passenger seats. You know, I've never seen anything move like this. It didn't even move like it was real.

Yep. Yeah, I said the same thing after my encounter. They don't move. It's almost like it, it almost seems, you know, I hate to use the term otherworldly, but just the way they move. It's just like, man, or even from this planet, you know, and I'm not suggesting they're aliens, but I'm just saying like I. Yeah, you've just never seen anything like that.

Yeah. It actually moved like a giant cat. I mean, like the cats are so smooth and fluid in their movements. That to me, right. And when it was running, when it ran past the door, when, you know, all of that, when it ran diagonally away from the vehicle toward the wood line, it, I want to say that it took maybe two steps to cover about 25 or 30 yards. Yeah.

I mean, it just was that, like it went from zero to 60 in point three seconds. I mean, just that. Yeah. They're extremely quick. And when that flash of lightning, I saw, I know I saw two others. They were probably 30 yards away from the vehicle. They were standing kind of close together. And the other one was running past.

See, that second vocal it made when you pointed the gun in it was probably a warning to the others. To tell them that I was dangerous or something. Absolutely. I didn't feel dangerous moment. You might have been in some real trouble there. You know, kind of like what he's encountered. It's almost like they were,

I mean, it might have been in some, it's a good thing you had that gun on you. Yeah, they were stalking you. That's horrible. I'm thought. I mean, that,

I feel that. Every time I think about that, I feel that. But I was, I was on the menu. And I didn't even know it. I wonder, and I've thought about this a lot,

I wonder what would have happened if I hadn't stood up in the door and took a leak. And I'm serious. You may have been grabbed not, or totally unaware of what was going to happen. I seriously think I urinated on that one that was beside the vehicle. Because I was, you know, it's a public highway, you know,

modesty. And I just, I was looking out the back windows to make sure a vehicle wasn't coming. So I just kind of peed to the right. And it was like a, like I said, like a deer snorting or a, Don't know. Do I? What he gets for being too close. I don't mean to laugh, but, you know,

sometimes you've got to make a situation a little light if you can. I understand. I just, I wish I could laugh with you, but there are times when I sit back and think about it, I wonder what this thing felt, thought, when I peed on it, you know. I mean, did that make it from my head? Hard telling. You know, he thinks of a. shirt disposition anyway.

I mean, yeah. I wondered if it was just curious to what I was doing, you know, in the back of that truck, the flashlight dangling from the roof and, you know, I mean, I was cussing the line. I was pissed off because I broke down on the side of the road in a truck that they knew was going to break down. The noise has probably attracted it. You think? And that one may have been just, that one may have just come up to see, been scouting.

to see what was going on there. That area where it happened is like a lot of hardwoods. Some of it on the opposite side of the road has been clear-cut, but I don't know if it was clear-cut at that time. I really don't remember. Well, do this for me, Tracy. Send me your contact information. Send me an email again, will you?

And I apologize for not responding back to your first email. I get flooded so much with emails, and I know Will and Shannon did you, too. But if you go to the website, all of our contact info's there, would you mind sending me your info? We'll put you in contact with Kumbo. And I can't think you enough for coming on. I mean, I know, I mean, I understand how you're feeling now.

I mean, God, that's so fresh in your mind. It just happened. The only thing I can tell you that it does get better with time. It seems like time kind of makes it. Yeah, stay in touch with this. and we can, we'll help you work through it. I really appreciate that, guys, because I'm really getting tired of paying for these Sanex.

Yeah. No problem. No problem. Yeah, no problem at all. But yeah, definitely shoot me your, your info, if you don't mind. I will do that. And I'd like for, I'd like for Will to send me those pictures that he's had done about that them and us. Absolutely.

Because when I first saw that picture, Of the Zimidav. And all in my head was its back. There it is again. I mean, the only difference with the eyes. Right. That's a type 2 creature. And if I'm not mistaken, I've heard y'all say they're the most aggressive, right?

Right, right. So I was probably a steak dinner for somebody, huh? It's hard telling. I mean, it could have been. They could have been just checking you out. That does seem fairly aggressive behavior, though. I mean, just sticking its head right in there and then, you know, the way it behaved. Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

It leaned down and stuck its head. I could have reached out and kicked it if I wanted to, but I was too afraid to. I mean, it was that close to me. And I remember when it had his head stuck in, like it leaned down and looked in. It just kind of stuck its head in. was looking at me. I remember his hand was hanging down

past the door, the bottom of the doorstep. I couldn't I could see its elbow, but I couldn't see its forearm on down to his hand. And all I was thinking was this thing's supposed to snatch me out of here because I remember I kept

watching its arm because of his arm moved. I was going to fight. That was all I had to do, you know. But you guys are I'm going to get me asleep tonight, but you guys have really helped seriously. I've had to fight this through my head ever since then, over and over. You'll get through it okay, though. I know it's difficult right now to believe that, but you will.

We'll help you. Yeah, I'd say all the stuff you're going through, you know, did that actually happen? Did I actually see what I saw? Was it dreaming? Do these things really exist? I went through all. I know I'm sure Will went through it all, too. You go through that.

It's pretty natural to go through all of that. It is. It is, yeah. How long did it take for you guys to get normal again? I mean, I got invited to go fishing a few weeks ago and night fishing for catfish on the river. And I said yes at first, but then I back chickened out. I couldn't do it.

I think generally if you're with a group of people, you're okay. I couldn't convince myself of that that night. No, it takes a while. although you have to sort of absorb it into your mind and sort of come to terms with the idea. And then you'll get past that. But it does take time. Yeah, I would say the only thing that doesn't go away, especially at night when you're out in the forest, is you're very on high alert, at least for me.

If I'm out at night, I'm very much on high alert. I'm very much aware of what's going on around me. And I would say. Same for me even after, yeah, it's same for me even after all these years. Can I ask the question? Yeah. Does it, I mean, does it even affect you like when you're not out in the woods?

I mean, like the warehouse where we pick up our truck and where we drop out of our vehicles, I usually park on the backside of the lot. You know, no particular reason I just always have. And I've gotten to the point where it scares me. I mean, it's a kind of a well area, but it scares me to walk to my car.

and crank it up. I mean, I stand there. Well, you were basically in shock. I mean, you're still, it's almost like PTSD in a way. You know, you're still suffering the effects of that encounter. And that's something else. I'm a combat veteran. And I saw a psychiatrist to deal with those issues.

And had minor issues when it came to that. It wasn't that bad. But this is totally just, I still I've had other people I've talked to that we're in combat and say the same thing you know with all they saw in combat

experiencing this makes combat pale it does I mean I knew what was going on in combat and I knew that I might die any second but I had a job to do and I was focused and trained to focus on that

but this I'm on the side of the road broke down just in the back of the truck, killing time. I don't even know what to say sometimes when I start feeling things. Like right now, I don't, I can still. I smelled its breathed its breath, when I leaned out the door.

It breathed the hot air in my face, and I smelled it. And his breath smelled kind of like a dog's breath, kind of like maybe a dog with a bad tooth, or like it had been eating something rotten, you know. His face was, when I looked out. It was right there. Two close. I cannot make myself believe.

I mean, but I can't make myself not believe. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's outside of your frame of reference. I mean, until you can sort of absorb, like Wes was saying, you know, sometimes it helps to do a little research and kind of listen and look at what other people have experienced and know that you're not alone in that, that there's a lot. lot of us out there that have seen these things up close. Can I ask you a question about your experience?

Sure. When you walked up on them, how close were you away from them? I was less than 15 feet. And I remember you saying that you saw the one and you didn't know that there was another. Right. What was the first thought that went through your head when you saw the one? I mean... Was holy shit, what's that?

That's exactly what was through my mind. It was an oh my God moment. You know, I was just, I'd hunted deer and elk and bear and everything with my dad and uncle. And, you know, I thought I was pretty familiar with everything out in the woods. I mean, hell, I lived to be in the woods, you know, and go fishing and stuff like that. And you walk up on something like that. And when I say it's an underwear changing moment, I'm not kidding. You want to crap yourself.

Did you feel at that moment like you? You were, pray, did you feel like there was, you were not instantly. Not instantly because for me it was, I mean, I was 16, so it was a, you know, then, of course, all you know, you know, from your experience, everything goes into your mind in milliseconds, all these things. And I thought, the first question was, what the hell is this? And then I thought, oh, that must be what made the footprints we found a couple of years before.

And then the next thought was, what? the hell am I going to do now? Because I was only holding a 22 rifle. Yeah. And the thing was massive. I mean, it was, like I said, it was probably a good 800 pounds. I would guess

this one was probably in the neighborhood five or six. It was, what I saw of its upper body was huge. Yeah. I remember its arm was about the size of my leg. It was Yeah.

It was huge, but that wasn't anywhere in the neighborhood of the ones that you've heard you guys talk about you know probably would have passed out on the spot if I'd say one that'd be all i remember thinking was it it looked pissed that's the first thought in my head when this one looked at me and when i looked out into its face that was the first thing i thought but west can i ask you a question about your experience yeah absolutely i heard you talking about You and your brother's experience. And you were afraid for your brother to, you know, drive past it because you thought it might, you know, flip the car.

Right. Can you tell me why you felt that? I mean, what made you feel like it would do that or like it wanted to do that? I think the reason why it's kind of like what Will says. I think a thousand things go through your mind on, you know, what are you looking at? My immediate thought was monsters. I was like, well, I guess monsters do exist. You know, yeah, I went down to like a third grade level with what I thought I was looking at,

and all I could compare it to was a monster. And the thing that we saw, I think the type of creature you saw, Tracy, being in the 5 to 600-pound range, is about what we hear, especially for the area that you're in. The one that Woody and I saw, I would say, was probably 10, right, around the 10 foot range. And if I were to guess just from years of hunting, I would say this thing was about a thousand pounds. And the way it had stepped out, the way its mannerisms were, the way I got the impression like it wanted to fight. And when we were looking at it, it was just so big. I thought this thing could easily grab the edge of the car and tip us over with us in it. It was just massive.

It was the biggest thing I'd ever seen in my life. And it was. the way it was carrying itself was almost like it wanted to fight. So it was challenging you. I got the impression from that one that I came place to faith. I got the impression that it was wanting to show me who was the boss. I mean. Yeah. Right.

And that's typical. That's very typical. And that's kind of what was happening with Wes, was kind of showing him who was boss. And that's what primates do. They sort of, you know, they're sort of doing that display to say, hey, you know, let's find out who's tougher here. And they want you to know that they are. Yeah, and I think when they're getting ballsy like that,

that's not a good time to put them to the test because I think you're going to come out on the bad end of the stick if you do. Yeah, I lost some hearing him in my ear from it. See, when I encounter was more of a neutral situation, I think, because I believe looking back that the second one was the younger one, and the bigger one knew that I was armed. saw the rifle.

And I think it probably didn't want that situation to escalate in any direction. You know what I mean? Yeah. I tend to think that's why they just stood there and really didn't do anything. Of course, I took off running. I mean, West and Woody didn't do anything, and they were doing their demonstrations around them, their challenge. Yeah.

And in your case, you were unaware. and it came right up and they were, of course, that was a different type, but Wes and I saw both were type ones, like what you see in the Patterson film. Yes, sir. It's a different temperament than the type two's. Why do you think that is? I've heard y'all talk about that before. Well, the type ones and fours might be a little bit closer to our family as humans.

I don't know. The type twos and threes. seem to be a little bit more animalistic. It's really difficult to tell without more information. Yeah, the only thing I can liken it to is when you compare like a gorilla, a chimp, and a baboon, baboons are known for having, and again,

I'm not saying a saskatch is a chimp, an ape or baboon, but as you go through the different primates, there's some that are, you know, more aggressive than others. Yeah, very much more aggressive than others and will have no trouble ripping your face off. Well, a gorilla just might do a little display letting you know who's boss and may or may not rip your arm out of your socket and beat you with it.

But a chimp or a baboon will rip your face off. Yeah, and that's a good point. And it's not, and it's not, you're right. It's not saying that they're this or they're that. But I'm sure any anthropologists will say, well, you use comparative. behaviors with other primates to talk about, you know, a different primate. All I know is, I've heard people, I've seen reports on the BFRO, people talking about, you know, them being gentle or curious and this, that, and the other.

BFR is what you're talking about. This thing that I saw was not gentle. It may have been curious, but I think it was curious in the fact that's what I might taste like. I mean, this was an animal. Very possible. This was not. When I looked in his eyes, I saw an animal. I did not see a human, even though it had similar human features.

Its face was similar to the human. You know, its nose had really big eyes. I remember that. To me, it looked like a large chimpanzee. Yeah, and I think a lot of witnesses use the comparison. similar to human. Now, folks, that doesn't mean they're human. No, it doesn't.

That's the nearest comparison of similarity. It doesn't mean it looks human, but it has similar features. This was a very wild and dangerous animal. I have no doubt for that. Yeah, it's interesting, Tracy, when you talk about, and I know we're going to have to wrap up the show here shortly, and I don't know if you've heard the siege of an obvi,

episode that we did. I think it's episode 11. But I know the brothers in there, they talk about that. He went up to a dumpster and it had stepped up from the dumpster and looked down at him. And it really wasn't that scared of him until it noticed he had a gun in its hand. And when it looked down at the gun in its hand, his eyes got real big. And that's when it ducked back down and decided it was time to go, almost like it knew that he had the gun. it knew what the gun was.

That's exactly. When I pointed the pistol at it, it's eyes, like I said, he was looking at me with kind of like this angry Claire. He was kind of bearing his teeth a little, you know,

well, I won't say bearing his teeth. He just kind of had his lips parted. Maybe he was breathing hard. I don't know. But when I pulled the pistol out, he had this look of curiosity, like,

what in the hell is that? When I pointed it at him, that's when his eyes got really big, and it's, I remember his lips curling into a big O shape going, I can't imitate the sound, but it was like, oh, but it was really loud. And he disappeared,

just that, that quick, you know. He knew what, he knew I had a weapon. Well, I'll say you what, up until the 70s or 80s, we went out of shot every damn thing out there, and I'm very positive these things know exactly what guns do. So when they see one, they know what it is. Positive of that, too,

because of the expression on this gracious face, when I pointed that, still at it. It looked momentarily terrified, like it was afraid for just a moment. Then it instantly went back to this angry look while it was making that, and it disappeared. And that's when I stood up

and not thinking about where I was. I just pointed out of the door and pulled. the trigger and that was the wrong thing to do. I didn't, I still regret that. I have some hearing loss in my left ear because of that. Oh, yeah, I'll bet. Well, thank you, Tracy, for coming on. We really do appreciate it.

And if you would, shoot us an email and I'd like to talk. Keep in touch with us. Yeah, I'd like to talk to us when. I will definitely do that. I would definitely love to get in touch with Coombo because I heard him. I listen to every one of your shows ever since I found it. and I found you guys about two or three months ago and I'd really like to talk to Cunlow

because this is his area I've heard him talk about some of the areas that he's talked about I actually know where he's talking about and I just I just won't I guess I just want somebody to reassure me that hallucinating I didn't hallucinate

this is not a figment of mind imagination like I had a couple of friends tell me well we can tell you you're not hallucinating You guys have been tremendously. I cannot tell you the relief I feel right now just having talked to you guys. Yeah, your descriptions are right on. I will definitely send you guys an email

and any other information you won't. I'll gladly send it to you. I mean, I can take you to the exact spot. I just had to drive by there this past Wednesday. Yeah, we appreciate it. Yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate you guys, and you guys keep up good work, really.

So thanks, Tracy. Thank you guys. Good night. What an encounter, huh? Yeah, it's awesome. It's probably one of the best ones I've heard. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Absolutely. I mean, Jesus. Yeah. That really affected him. Yeah, it did. It did. Well, I want to let everyone know if you get a chance, please go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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Before we think we're going to do a short one and it goes long. Yeah, it was great hearing those encounters from Tony and Tracy. Good encounters. I appreciate it. And I apologize to everyone that we didn't get to. There's still a long call queue that we didn't get to. So I apologize to you, everyone. Look for Shannon show tomorrow night.

Show notes with Shannon. I may even pop in there. I think you have what Sarah and John Brown on, don't you? Shannon. Yeah, they're both going to be on. Yeah, that'll be great. Yeah. And I know you've got a boatload of audio files loaded up for tomorrow night, too. So it should be a great show.

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