Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:755 The Most Terrifying Night

Episode Date: May 7, 2021

John writes "I stepped out of my tent and turned on my spot light and Wes I'll be honest I pissed my pants I was so scared. About 10 yards stood a family group of 4 or 5 creatures that stood about 10 feet tall the small ones were about 6 1/2 feet tall they screamed and whooped and threw rocks and it got much much worse. This is the most terrifying experience I've ever had and I haven't gone back to this property since. I can't tell you everything through email because this story would take about an hour or so to fully describe what I saw that night."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelled me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were chumtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet, but what I saw were bears. 9-1-1, what are you reporting? Jesus, get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know. Do you see a male, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh.

Hey, this is Sherry Mack from Kansas City. Go Chiefs. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Best podcast in the world. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We're going to be chatting with John.

And John comes to us from Florida, and he had a pretty terrifying night on his grandparents' property. His grandparents owned this huge piece of property. And growing up, they would always... which tell John and the rest of the kids don't go to this piece, this side of the property, and don't go out after dark. And that's exactly what John did later in life. Him and a bunch of his friends went camping, and the night kind of went sideways on them. Not only seeing the creatures, but also a lot of other weird things happened, and I'll let John get into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. I'll be back on Sunday for the members. Tonight, let's jump into it. I want to welcome John to the show. John, thanks for coming on. Yeah, not a problem.

John, you had quite the encounter out there in Florida. Probably definitely one of the more terrifying encounters. If you would, would you start from the very beginning, kind of tell us what you were doing, and walk us into what happened? All right. So me and about five or six of my buddies decided we were going to go off on a camping trip at a piece of property that belongs to my family. And it's been in my family for like close to 80 years. And it's down in South Florida close to the Everglades National Park. And so we packed everything up into our jeeps and loaded up a couple of the ATVs and side by sides and made it a full trip out of it. We were going to spend about two or three days. down there. And so we drove down there and got set up probably about 8 or 9 o'clock that morning.

But I think it was a Monday morning. We got there and set up on a Monday morning. It was right after COVID hit. So, you know, nobody was working and we all just wanted to get out of the house. So we got set up and unloaded the ATVs and side by sides and headed off into the National Park. and was just riding up and down some of the game trails. And we spent pretty much all day doing that.

And got back into camp probably about 9, 8 or 9 o'clock that evening. And we had set up dinner and everything and had that. And was about to start getting ready to head off in the bed. And my buddy David, he comes walking back out of the woods and keeps kind of looking over his shoulder. and acting really strange, so I asked him, say, hey, man, you know, everything all right. He's like, yeah, I just, I don't, I don't have a good feeling about this, this spot that we're at. You know, maybe we should move a spot in the morning or I'm going to head out in the morning.

So we were like, oh, all right, no problem, you know. So we had all settled down into our tents. And we started hearing what I would describe as like a low hiss that like an alligator would make to kind of, warn you to get them out, get out of their area. And about 15, 20 minutes later, we started hearing the tree knocks. And by this point, I had already kind of stuck my head out the tent to kind of get a better ear on it and to hear it a little bit better. And I'd say probably within an hour, we heard, you know, whooping noises coming from out of the woods. And I've never heard that noise on this piece of property.

Like I said, I've been going to that property since I was a kid. So the worst thing that we were ever, you know, think about hearing or seeing out there was probably a little black bear or an alligator or water moccasin or something like that, you know. So we were used to seeing deer and everything out there. So to hear the whooping noises coming out was something that I had personally never heard before out there. And so once the whooping noises kind of start, started coming on. I went ahead and I stepped out of my tent and grabbed my spotlight out of the back of my Jeep and started shining it off into the wood line. And that's one I noticed that there was a family group, probably about four or five of them. But before that, we had seen a really big ball of light in the tree line about 20 yards from camp. And then right beside that, about 40 yards to the left of that was a couple more. And then that's when I saw the family group after that.

And, yeah, it was, it was terrified. Yeah, and I want to come back to this, but what kind of happened next? They started throwing rocks into the campsite. One of them went into my friend David's tent, one of the rocks, and it knocked them in the head pretty good and knocked them out. And while we were taking care of him, the noises just kept getting louder and louder. And one of the dogs that we had with us was a Rottweil, who's about 100 pounds. And, you know, he took off running into the woods.

And towards one of the smaller ones that were out there, there was, like I said, probably about four or five of them out there. And there were a couple that were over the 10-foot mark. And then there was maybe two or three that were about six-foot. six and a half feet tall and a dog started running after one of the smaller ones one of the larger ones stepped up grabbed the dog and threw it like it wasn't nothing and this dog weighed probably about a hundred pounds

all day no problem you know I think it was at that point we decided okay we need to kind of pack this up and get out of here as quickly as we can well we couldn't get to our jeeps because where the jeeps were we're on the other side of the tree line so they were between us and the jeeps.

The only thing that we had close by were the ATVs. And we jumped on to them, me and all my other friends. We loaded David up into the back of my ATV because I have a four-door side by side. So we loaded him up into the back of my side by side, and we hauled butt out of there as quickly as we could. And like I said, we were right there up against the Everglades National Park. So we ran into the National Park trying to get away. And we looked back and they were just chasing us, you know, they're keeping up with us.

We were going about 25, 30 miles an hour, easy. And they were keeping up with us. It was, they were so close that I saw one of them in the red cue of the lot, off the tail lights of the ATV. And it was making, they were making these weird, you know, low roars. I can't even describe it. I think the closest thing I can describe it to is maybe the sound of like a, like a lion. and they'll bark kind of, you know, to as a warning call, I think, or to call other lions, two of them, I don't know.

But anyway, it was really, really deep, and you could feel it in your chest. It was reverberating in my chest. And like I said, I saw him, the one in the lots, and all I could do was pray that we could make it to the game trail that was just past the trail line in the National Park. once we got on that game trail we were able to get after it a little bit faster so then then we were able to get out onto the main road and into town at that point at what point did they back off

I think they chased us all the way up to the main road and after that main once we got up to the main asphalt road they kind of died down we can still hear rocks hitting the asphalt behind us as we drove away but You know, I think it was once we got out there that they kind of stopped. They went back into the National Park at that point. Yeah, how's your friend doing with the, he got hitting the head with the rock in the town? Well, he had, we got to, we took him to the hospital because, you know, he had a big old nod on the side of his head and took him to the hospital. And the doctor did some tests and everything, said that he had a mild concussion and they kept him there at the hospital for two or three days. this dog. We went back out there the next day to finish kind of getting all of our stuff together to, you know, pack up.

And we got the dog, the dog was dead. You know, it was like it had been picked up by the throat. So the trachea and all that, the bones and the muscle on the neck had all been crushed. like he had getting hit by a car or something, you know. So we loaded the dog up and brought him back and buried him over there at David's property. And to this day, David still won't go out in the woods. He won't even go camping. Even if it's at like in Orlando, they have wildlife camp or nature camp or something. It's a Disney park.

And he can go out there and camp, and he won't even go camping out there. there, even though it's a controlled environment. He absolutely refuses to go into the woods. And he'd been hunting for years and years and years. He's 49. I'm 29. So, you know, he's 20 years older than I am. He absolutely refuses to go into the woods at all. Yeah, I can't blame the guy. Can't blame it all. I mean, what a night. I want to ask you, what did you think of the whole topic of Bigfoot or Sasquatch prior to this crazy night that you had? Well, prior to the actual experiencing it, I had always been kind of on the fence about it. You know, I mean, we know so little about some of these national parks and what may reside in them that, you know, who's to say that there's not an ape-like humanoid creature living in the woods somewhere that we just haven't seen or haven't found.

And then, you know, there's people out there who say that there's an elemental aspect of these creatures and that if they don't want to. to be seen, they won't let you see them. You know, I think I heard someone say on one of your shows before it had like a cloaking ability or something like that, you know, so who's to say that, you know, these creatures don't exist. I think that was kind of my mindset before the experience. You know, I was kind of open to the idea, but I wasn't like, yeah, okay, Bigfoot truly exists, you know. Yeah, when you went back, was your camp dispassion?

disturbed at all or had anything been touched? It was an absolute mess. The camp had pretty much been completely smashed over. We had tents. We had tables and chairs. We had old-fashioned metal chairs that you'd have at like a Sunday school or something like that that belonged to my grandparents. And these chairs were pretty sturdy, you know, even though they're temporary folding chairs

and everything. They're pretty sturdy and it takes a lot to break something like that. But we counted at least three of them that had been bent over and bented, like completely over and crumpled like it was a piece of paper. The tents were completely smashed.

My Jeep had some pretty severe damage to the fender on the rear side. But I guess they either brushed up against it or hit it with something I don't know. But, you know, it was pretty messed up when we got back out there the next day.

Yeah, it took a lot to go out there the next day. Most people wouldn't go, you know? It was the most, aside from the actual experience of being there, I mean, the night that it happened, when I first saw the creatures in the woodland, I'll be honest with you, man. I urinated all over myself. You know, I was scared. I thought for sure that I was going to either die or these things,

We're going to tear us all apart and we were going to slowly be killed. I didn't know what to expect. And then whenever that dog went flying, that really creeped me out even more. But even like the next day when we got out there, it still had that feeling of like an ominous feeling like I shouldn't be here. Why am I here? I need to get my stuff. I need to get out of here. I don't want to stay any longer than I absolutely have to.

You know, obviously I want to clean up the campsite and clean up all the mess that we left. but I don't want to be here any longer than I absolutely have to. So I think out of all of us that came out there, I think most of the girls went back home. Like they caught a Greyhound, Greyhound bus in town went home. They didn't want to go back out there at all. And us guys, we had to go out there and get the jeeps and bring them out of the property. And we had to tow David's Jeep out of there as well, unload up all the gear that we had brought out there. because we had originally, like I said, it was going to be a two-day trip.

And the first day, it was just pretty much going to be us riding around on the ATVs all day. And then the next couple of days, we're going to go out hunting. And a couple of the guys, they're native seminals. So they can go out and hunting gator pretty much anytime they want to, if I understand correctly. I may be wrong. But during that time, we were going to go out and see if we can get us a couple alligators and, you know, have gator meat in the freezer and all that. But I think after that experience, you know,

most of us just wanted to get everything and get out of there as quickly as we could. Yeah, and who could blame you? Who can blame you? I want to ask you, David was the one that was hit with the rock, right? Right. David was the one that hit by the rock. And at the beginning, right before anything happened, David said he didn't like or he was getting a bad feeling.

Did he ever describe, you know, why he was feeling that way or, you know, what was giving him that impression of I need to leave? Well, see, out there, there's a lot of different things, different animals and stuff that are out there. And they make a lot of racket.

They make a lot of noise. And, you know, you can definitely hear him, you know. And he just, he said that he went into the woods to use the bathroom.

And while I was out there, you know, it was really noisy. And then all the noise just stopped. Like all the birds, and bugs that chitter and chatter and everything all night, they just got completely quiet. It just got really, really quiet.

And then he started hearing twigs, snapping behind them, and low grunts. He described it as like the grunting noises the gorilla would make. And that's whenever he made his way back into camp. And he kept looking over his shoulder, and he's like, John, I just, I don't think it's a good idea for us to stay here any longer than tonight. We need to move tomorrow.

or we need to go home or something. And I asked him about it about two days ago. I said, you know, hey, man, what do you think about everything that happened that night? And he just said, you know, honestly, he doesn't even want to think about it. You know, he admits that what he saw that night along the rest of us, but the rest of us, he said that that happened. But it's an experience. He doesn't want to relive ever again.

And that's why he absolutely refuses to even set foot in the woods. You know, he says, you know, we were on that land at a time that we weren't supposed to. We should have taken the one and we should have left. That's kind of where he's at with it all. Yeah, I hear you. The whoops that you heard, are they similar to the ones in my intro? They're a little bit like that. But, I mean, I don't know what the guy's name is that they recorded the noise where,

they're mimicking vocalizations like talking that's in your intro they were making those kind of noises too after the dog got thrown into the air they started chattering between the four of them or the five of them they all started chattering and it definitely sounded like communications and the only way i could describe it is like um i don't know if you've ever seen night in the museum with with you know where everything came alive and they got the the anderthals that are kind of chattering and grunting to each other. That's what it sounded like after they threw the dog. And then the whooping noises, it sounded like, like, I don't know how to describe it, honestly, though, West. I mean, it was like really low and drawn out.

It was like, woo, woo. That's just my idea of what it would have sounded like. Yeah, there's some of those in the Sierra sounds of Ron Moore. head kind of the longer whoop. So that's more of what you heard is more of the longer, that long whoop. Yeah. I want to ask you, too, the other thing I find fascinating is so you start hearing something out there and you see this ball of light.

This is before you actually saw the creatures. Yeah, it was before I saw the creatures. And it was like a wispy kind of basketball-sized light. It was more of a wild. white orange light. So I thought maybe it was another hunter or something that was out there, trespassing another poacher or something that was out there. And then that's where I noticed there was a couple more that was right behind it, you know, about 40 yards to the left of that. And they were also very wispy. And they kept changing different colors between white and blue and green and orange and white and blue and green and orange oak back and forth. That's whenever the tree knocks started here happening and we looked over and there they were. standing on the road between us and the jeeps. Yeah, so going back to the lights, it wasn't one light. There was one big one and then several of them behind it.

Is that what you're saying? Right. I'd say there's probably a total of eight lights total. So there was one really big one that was about the size of a basketball. And the other ones that were right behind it, they varied in sizes between the sizes of like a softball and a ping pong ball. Yeah, it's strange. I don't know what to make of the lights.

It's weird that you ran into them. the lights the exact same time with the creature. And it is something that, you know, I do think there's some sort of, there's something going on between the lights and these things. And I haven't been able to figure it out yet. Well, I mean, like my grandparents, they had been on that, they live on that property. They still live there to this day.

And they used to tell us as kids, don't ever, ever for any reason, go outside after night. It doesn't matter if you've left, you know, if we locked one of the dogs out outside. forgot about it. Don't go out there. Leave the dog outside. It'll be okay on the porch. Leave it alone. Don't ever go out. And I asked my grandfather about it, my grandmother, actually, about it. And she sold us a story about a seminal man that she had talked to years ago about warning her not to go out into the property at night. I guess the older man was a seminal Indian as well. And he described to her a race of human-like creatures. that lived in the woods and in the swamp that were elementals or something like that, and that they would defend their territory with everything that they had. You know, he described a time where, I guess, a hunting party went out,

and there was six or seven of them that he was talking about that went out on a hunting party, and they encountered one of these creatures, and only three of them made them. it back. Now, I haven't been able to find anything written about this or heard another story like that from any of my friends that live in that area. So that's a one-off for me. But like I said, you know, who's to say that that didn't happen? You know, I personally felt that if they wanted to, they could have probably torn my arms off and beat me over the head with them if they wanted to. These things were muscled like, like, um, Arnold Schwarzenegger times 10. Okay, you could see the muscles rippling underneath the air. You could see the calf muscles on these things were huge, you know. They were like small tree trunks of the legs. So it was just, you know, anyway, back to the story about my grandmother.

She basically told us that there were things that lived in the woods that were better to be just left alone. My grandfather, he tells the story about the lights. He called it swamp gas, that the gas would raise up and that if there was static electricity in the air, it would ignite the swamp gas, and the swamp gas would just kind of float around and wispy lights. But those lights at Oswald that night definitely had an intelligence about them because it was like they were observing us through the woods.

Yeah, did the lights make any sort of noise that you can remember? I can remember a very low hum, kind of like a woo kind of noise. You know, just a low hum is the best way I can describe it. Yeah, and I want to come back to your grandparents, but before we do that, so you are looking out of the tent now and you're seeing several creatures. Can you describe them for the audience that's never seen? one can you describe what you're looking at? Do all the creatures look the same or do they look different? They all had different kind of, I mean, they all looked exactly.

They looked different, but they were the same creature. That was very obvious. There was one that you could tell was definitely a male. You could tell because, you know, obviously males look different than females in certain ways. And there was one that was definitely a female. She was smaller than he was, but not by much. She was about seven and a half, eight feet tall, whereas the male was definitely, he was probably closer in the 11-foot range, 10 and a half, 11-foot range. And then there were probably three more smaller ones, and they were between six and a half feet tall.

And I think the shortest one was probably about five foot eight, five foot five, something like that. But they were about, I'd say probably about 10, 15 yards away from where I was at. So I can't give you the exact measurements. But they had like a dreadlock style of matted hair all over their bodies. The male and female that I could see, they had pretty much bare chest, kind of like a low, not a low, like a short amount of hair on their chest, but not quite enough to cover up all the skin. And they had really like a darkish blue kind of colored skin. Their heads were kind of conical.

I mean, they weren't cone heads by no means, but they were definitely kind of rounded at the peak and wider at the jaw line. And they had dark, dark, dark hair. I wouldn't say it was quite black, but it wasn't brown. It was just like a blue-black color. And they were muscled, like Arnold Schwarzenegger-Times, like I said before, the muscles on these things were just huge. The male, he looked like he had probably, I don't know, maybe like football-sized

biceps, you know, they were huge. Bigger than any man I've ever seen, you know. And they were kind of, the arms were longer than the legs. So like the arms, their hands were dangling down past their knees almost, I'd say. Which was odd. I, you know, that's, I mean, that's kind of, they're just huge, mean-looking creatures the best way I can describe it.

Were you able to see any facial features? Not really. I mean, the light, I didn't want to shine the light in their face because I didn't want to, you know, kind of set off any kind of like charging or anything like that. I just wanted to, you know, see where they were at. I didn't want to shine nothing in their eyes to piss them off or nothing, you know. But whenever they chased us,

the one that was closest to our ATV as we left, the only facial features I can make off. of him was this pissed off, get the hell out of my space kind of look, you know. His lips were kind of curled back and inwards. Like curled back and inwards, I guess you could say, like this, just the snarling look. And it definitely had a shorter snout. It wasn't like, it wasn't quite like a dog. It was kind of like a, like, you know how a pug has a short snout?

Yeah. And then, yeah, it's basically kind of, that's the easy. That's probably the best way I could have described his face was this short snout. And just this pissed off, angry look. And the one that was chasing you, was he the larger one? Was he which one? That was definitely the larger one. You could feel him running behind us through the ATV.

You know, we went back, like I said, the next day down that same game trail that they chased us down, looking to see if we could find footsteps so we could, you know, make clay plastered molds of them so we could show somebody that we weren't crazy. But all we saw after that was just like something had been dragged across that trail to where it would cover up anything. Like even our ATV tracks weren't there. So I'd say that they definitely have some sense of some kind of intelligence about them to know that they got to do that to make sure that they can. hide their trails so no one could follow them back. Yeah, that is strange. It's very strange.

Let me ask you, when you, so you're looking at them and they're all, they're all outside of your tent, are they in a stance of, I don't know, this sounds ridiculous, of wanting to fight, or are they just standing there? They, the easy, I mean, the easiest way I can describe it is if you've ever seen, if you've ever watched football and you see how they line up at the line of scrimmage, they snapped the ball and they're all hunched over like they're ready to to go. This is the easiest way I could describe the younger ones. Now the male and the female, they were definitely older.

Like I said, you know, they were probably the mother and father figures in that group. They were standing kind of, you know, side by side and they were grunting at each other and vocalizing to one another and whooping. And the only thing I could figure out was they were trying to talk about probably. okay well what do we do you know they're not supposed to be here what do we do you know and then that's when the dog charged and that's when the larger one stepped over and grabbed the dog and threw it like it was nothing and then at that point I guess the bigger one had a had enough of it and was just like dumb with it and that's when he started throwing the rocks and they got larger and larger and larger now florida's nothing like it is out there where you're at.

Rocks in Florida, we have like sandstone. So, I mean, they get fairly big, but they're not like 40 or 50 pounds big. They're probably maybe at the most, maybe four or five pounds at the largest, if you're lucky. So they started throwing larger rocks and definitely would have hurt you. Like I said, it gave David a concussion.

I don't doubt, like I said before, I don't doubt that if they got a hold of us, they could have torn us apart. limb from them. It wouldn't have even been a struggle, you know. It always makes me wonder about why they, in a lot of situations, they'll come just short of hurting you.

And then they'll get to that point and then generally stop. I mean, there has been people who've been hurt by them. Don't get me wrong. But in a lot of situations, especially like you're leaving, there's no reason really to chase you guys at this point. There's no reason to harass you guys at this point. but you'll see them do that. You'll see them follow people out

and you hear it time and time again from eyewitnesses to where they're basically on top of people kind of pushing them out of an area. What do you think set them off? I mean, I know you're just speculating. You don't know. I'm just curious on your opinion on...

Do you think it was just a dog that sparked the fire? I think, you know, like my grandmother, going back to the story of my grandmothers had said, you know, that there were things that lived in the woods that if you got the feeling that you were trespassing on the property you should definitely not

stick around because bad things can happen I think at that particular night there were a lot of deer in the area so I'm thinking that maybe we were in a where we were at it was kind of a clearing between the woods so you had

woods on your left what's on your right what's behind us And then there was a clearing and there was a creek that ran through there, a freshwater creek that ran through there. And it was shallow enough to where you could cross it by foot, but it was deep enough that there were fish that ran through there. And there was a lot of game that would come through there. Hogs and deer and things like that come down there and drink. So my only thing is maybe we were interrupting a hunt or maybe we were just in their family location. You know, maybe we were too close to their bedding.

I don't know. You know, I can remember watching a documentary about guerrillas years ago, and they said that the male of the family would guard, I think, up to five miles close to the bed bedding where they would make their nests, and that there would be males that would guard up to five miles of that. So maybe we're close to their home, you know. So honestly, I don't know. I just, I thought it was really strange that we first saw the lights,

and then we heard that humming from the lights coming from them, and then two minutes later, we started hearing the tree knocks and the whooping, and then they just showed up, you know. So I honestly, I don't know us. It was just one minute they weren't there, and the next they were right on top of us. Yeah, and it, you know, that poor dog. And, you know, Rottweiler is like a missile coming at you. You can take the biggest, baddest man on the planet.

And I'll put my money on the Rottweiler that's charging him. And for these things to pick it up, it reminds me of the Sasquatch Language show. I get questions all the time about the 911 call. And it actually, there's way more to that story. And I kind of tell the story, it's more or less Ron Moorhead talking about what happened. But he talked about a German Shepherd. The old man, the first time he called 911, said his German Shepherd came flying over the fence. And where Ron Moorhead said it came over was about nine feet up, came flying over the fence.

You know, German Shepherd's a big dog, too. The German Shepherd is a big dog. But this dog here, like I said, this Rottweiler, I knew this dog very well. This dog was a sweetheart. You know, it had pretty much been around my kids for a long time. It had been around David's kids for a long time. it was an older dog and and you know

he was muscled from here on you know like it was huge and like I said he had to weigh at the least 100 pounds he may have weighed more than that but when this thing picked him up and threw it he threw that dog probably good 15 20 feet up in the air and it landed behind us

and the dog ran probably about like I said about 10 15 yards from us to them to them from the time that then the larger one picked the dog up and threw it over our heads and he landed probably about 10 yards behind us. It was it was just I mean

the amount of strength that we have taken to throw something like that is unbelievable. You know it was like one minute he was there and the next he was over ahead behind us. It was instantaneous almost. It was just lightning fast. And that kind of brings up my next point, though. I mean, it's like these things were huge.

Like I said, you know, weighing probably, I don't know, anywhere between 550, 650 pounds easy, maybe more than that. But they didn't make absolutely any noise. Like, they just were there. We didn't hear them walking up. We didn't hear none of that. We just heard the trade knocks and the wolfing and then saw the lots. And then there they were. they just they made no noise so i think we felt them running behind us and we kind of heard light footsteps

behind us but they were definitely running so i just i don't know it was a muffled kind of a run when they were chasing us so i don't know sorry i'm getting goosebumps just telling the story over you again no that's all right man you you relive it when you go through it um when the the big one was chasing you. Was he chasing you on two legs or four legs? He was on two legs. He was more in a hunched over, squatted kind of run, but he was

definitely on two legs. No doubt about it. I'm sure that if he was to have dropped to all fours with his arms being as long as they were, I'm sure that he could have overpassed all of us and gotten in front of all of us and stopped us if he wanted to. I think

he was just chasing us out of his area. Get the heck out of here. don't belong here, get the hell out. You know, so, but he was definitely on two legs. Yeah, there's a lot of situations where, you know, you speculate, everything's speculation, because we really don't know, but I always like to ask the person who was there, why do you think they didn't kill you? Because obviously he could catch you on that ATV if he really wanted to.

Well, I had my kids with me, so I'm thinking that they may have sensed the presence of the children, and they just, they didn't want to hurt the kids, maybe, because they didn't throw anything at me or a couple of my other friends that had their kids with them. So I think they knew enough that we had our young with us, and they were just trying to get us out, you know? That's just speculation that, like you said. Yeah, the other question I want to ask you is, so you see the lights, and I realize when these creatures just show up, that is your primary focus. That would be a, my focus. But do you remember if the lights were still there or did they fade out or go away

from what you can remember? Whenever the creature showed up, I think all of our attention just kind of went to them more so than the lights when they first showed up at the camp. But because I was the last one in the line of ATVs as we were running out on that game trail, I can remember seeing at least four of the lights behind the large. Jamal following us up the trail. I can remember that because they were illuminating the path behind them. So it was like, like you could see the creature behind our ATV, and then behind that,

it was this bright light behind it, bright, bright lights. So it was kind of, it wasn't like a spotlight bright, but it was kind of like a, I say probably about like a dying flashlight kind of. You know how when a flashlight's dying, it kind of fades into that orangish color or low light ambient color. It's kind of what was behind them. So the lights were definitely following. Yeah, kind of that soft light. It's strange, man.

And I don't know what the lights are again. I've seen them and I have no clue what they are. It's fascinating to me that, you know, during this encounter, there was also lights going on. A lot of times on, and I've said it a million times, but on people's, property, when they claim to have these creatures running around the property, they'll also mention the lights. They'll go, oh, and by the way, I'm also seeing these weird balls of light fly around. And so it really makes you wonder what the heck those lights are. I mean, that's a hell of a night, man. And this is your grandparents' property, correct?

That's my grandparents' property, yes. And did you ever go and talk to your grandparents about what you saw? I made mention to it to my grandfather and he just kind of looked at me and he said well I warned you about going out at night. You kids know not to go out at night. So why would you have went into that part of the property knowing that we've never gone out there and we've always told you to stay away from that area. Why would you go there? And then I kind of pulled up my map and I was like, where do you think I was? And I showed him. He was like, he was like, not, you know, he's like, this is definitely where you were. We've known not to go out there. We were told not to go to that area.

And that's pretty much what he's told me, and he's pretty much said, again, don't ever go to that location again. You can go anywhere else on the property you want to. You just don't go to that corner. So, I don't know. That particular corner, like I said, it backs right up against the Everglades National Park. So he said that there were, he doesn't believe in Bigfoot or, or swamp man or skunk ape or nothing like that. He just believes in spirits and things like that.

And so he's always just called him, you know, ancient spirits that live in that area. Ancient spirits live in that area. Don't go there and don't disturb, you know. And that's kind of all he's ever told us about that area growing up as a kid. Yeah, I wonder why you would say that. Because, you know, when we were first talking, I was thinking his grandparents must have seen them.

They must have experienced them because they're given pretty stern warnings. like don't go out after dark, don't go to this area. And it makes me wonder if maybe they ran into something. It's odd though your grandfather says spirit, you know, like you ran into, almost makes you wonder, you know, sometimes when people have these things on their property, they'll hear whoops and they'll hear screams and they'll hear, and a lot of people think it's demonic activity going on on their property. They're like, I heard the worst demonic scream, you know, two nights ago,

and it's not really a demon. But that just makes me wonder why he says spirit. Well, I mean, like, he, growing up as kids, we used to hear sounds coming out of the woods a lot all the time too. And they would just, you know, we'd be out working on the fence line or something and we'd hear a scream or a holler or something like that. And us kids would look at him like, grandpa, we got to go help whoever that is. Someone's getting hurt. Someone's getting hurt. And he just kind of discredit.

And he'd say, no, that's just a screech out or no, that's just the wind blowing through the trees, you know, things like that. and he used to have a Winchester 30-30, and he'd always keep it with him at all times when we'd go out there. And I think there was one time we heard screams coming out of the woods that were pretty close, I'd say, probably about less than 10 feet from us. And he grabbed that Winchester and popped off three rounds, and then we heard just another really loud, loud screen coming out from the woods.

And then he said, told us to get on the horses and go. And we got on the horses and hauled that out on there, and the horses were all spooked all the way back to the house. And when we got home, we just tied the horses up to the front porch and went inside. We didn't bother to go back out to the next day to undo the horses. Yeah, kind of a dumb question, but have you ever thought about going back? I know, actually, it's only been about less than a year, almost a year now, but have ever thought about going back to that area? I'm actually going back to this weekend. After I sent you that email and talked to you the other day about it,

I just I had this this thing in my stomach where I just I gotta go back I gotta I have to go back because I mean

that's been in my families you know for like close to eight years you know whenever they pass away I'm set to inherit that land so if I'm scared of it now

I'll never be able to go back so I need to go back and face my fear so I'm actually going back tomorrow to camp there again So are you going alone? I am. Yeah.

Yeah, that may not be the greatest idea, but, you know, I'm not your daddy. I don't blame me for wanting to go back, you know, and I get exactly what you're saying, you know, it's almost kind of pisses you off because they've taken something from you. You know, you don't want to be in the forest. You don't want to go to that area because you might run into them again. I kind of get why you want to go back. I'd be careful, though, going back, ma'am. Well, I mean, like I said, I've got friends that live in that area. A couple of them are seminal, and they gave me a pretty good warning.

They said, look, you know, if you're going to go back, go back with respect, go back with a good attitude. Don't go back pissed off. Don't go back with a negative kind of attitude. Just go back and make peace with it. They said, don't go into that area that we got chased out of again, obviously, but go to the border of it. and my buddy Tom he said to bring an offering of a fish or or some kind of offering to make peace with the spirits is all he'll call it you know he calls it spirits too you know so he said bring an offering to appease them but don't piss them off you know um so my plan is i'm going out there alone uh tonight um i got tom's coming out there tonight with me as well so he's going to be out there tonight with me as well so he's going to be out there with me tonight, but tomorrow night I'm going to be out there on my own. So.

Yeah, be real careful, man. Be real careful. Let me ask you, what do you think that these creatures are? I'm not 100% sure. I mean, from what I saw, everything has the telltale signs of a skunk ape or a swamp ape or whatever you call it. It's not Bigfoot up there in the Northwest or nothing like that, but it's not like what they have in Texas, you know, or even in South Georgia, North Georgia. This is a completely different kind of species, I guess, you'd say, like a sub-branch of Bigfoot, you know. It's definitely something in that family, though. And what makes you think it's a sub-branch?

just out of my own curiosity. Well, you know, in each, I mean, if you look back and listen to the stories of the different creatures, I mean, like, you know, they got the abominable snowman out there in, like, the Himalayas, right? We've got Bigfoot out there in the northwest. We've got smaller bipedal bigfoots out in, like, Texas, east Texas. They were described at, like, what, 5 foot, 8, 6 feet tall at the, at the, tallest they've seen. They get red hair, right? Out in the northeast, we have creatures out there that are also very tall and probably about

10, 11, 12 feet tall from what I've heard. And they have like a blondeish hair out there. You know, so I'm assuming that this is probably just another branch off of that family, you know. I got you. So in your mind, do you think it's more physical? It's not so much of spirit? I think it's definitely something between, in between spiritual and physical. It's like, like I said, one minute, they weren't there and the next they were there. So, I mean, like, they definitely materialized out of nowhere that we saw, you know. They were definitely otherworld. I don't know how else to describe it.

Like I said, they were physically there. I could definitely, I felt them in my. jazz when they were when they were you know whooping but there's definitely probably a spiritual aspect to it too somewhere because like I said why would my I don't understand why my grandfather would say don't don't bother don't disturb the spirits don't disturb the spirits and that you know so I don't I don't know yeah and I would I mean you can do whatever you want and you know Tom might be right and I could be wrong but you know when you go to you hear all these big foot people go well I got a gifting station and I leave

gifts and I do this and I do that, assuming that there is a spiritual aspect to these things or paranormal, however you want to word it, I'd be careful leaving anything for them. You know, in the spirit world, when you leave something for them, it's a tribute. They see it as a tribute. And a tribute is kind of a form of worship, so you have to be very careful on what you leave and if you're given something, I'm just leery of that. And that's just me. I mean, you could be completely comfortable with it.

it makes me uncomfortable, you know, when I hear about people leaving, oh, we leave food and we leave gifts and we leave pebbles and we leave, you know, whatever. In the spirit world, that's, you're leaving a tribute, you know, it's a kind of a form of worship. I mean, I'm kind of like on the fence about the whole offering thing myself. I mean, he's, he often, he called it an offering. I guess I'd call it more of a tribute, like kind of an acknowledgement of, hey, I know that you're I'm not going to disturb you. Don't mess with me. You know, I'm staying out of your area.

You know, that this, you know, be a peace kind of offering, I guess you could say, I guess. And I understand where you're coming from. I mean, my grandmother used to say that the only way that an evil spirit could enter your life is if you invited it. You know, so I get that aspect of it. But at the same time, I trust Tom because he is, he is. Seven, like I said, and his family has all been very spiritual people in their area for years and years and years and years. And if Tom and his grandmother are telling me the same thing, I, you know, I'm more out to listen to him. Now, if it was, if it was, you know, Joe Blow off the street telling me that I definitely wouldn't take that advice.

Yeah, and I'm not breaking your balls on it by any means. You know, it's just my opinion. And my opinion doesn't mean very much, you know, it's, it could be, they could be 100% right on, on what they're doing. And so what is it you're hoping to accomplish by going back? Well, like I said, you know, I'm set to inherit the property after my grandparents pass on and that's my home. Like I said, I grew up there.

You know, I've never been afraid out there up until that point. But I also respected the boundaries that my grandparents had laid out for us as kids. Don't go past this point at night. don't go past this point, you know, during the fall, don't go out past this point during the spring, you know. And I always respected that growing up. And I think we just kind of happened to wander into the wrong part of the property that day because we were all out on our full-wheelers.

And, you know, by that time, everybody was tired. And so we were like, well, let's just go ahead and camp out here. You know, we weren't really paying attention to where we were at. Had we been paying attention, I'm sure that we probably wouldn't have ever experienced that. but I'm hoping that by going back out there I'll be able to let it be known to whatever's out there that hey look this is my home too so you're going to have to kind of co-inhabit here you know we're going to have to come to some kind of a agreement you stay out of my area I stay out of yours and this is going to sound weird and I'm probably going to get my balls busted about this too,

but I'm hoping to kind of earn the respect of whatever else is out there. You know, hey, we ran him off, but he's back, you know. But I don't know. I'm just hoping that I'll be able to get back to that point where I'll be comfortable out there again. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Kind of live and let live out there. And you don't really want people run off, like, what you went through that night and all your friends went through.

I get where you're coming from, man. Be safe out there. Let me know, will you, what happens if anything happens when you go back? I'll definitely let you know, man. Yeah, and I really appreciate you coming on very much. Thank you so much, Sean, for taking the time to share what happened to you. Yeah, no problem, man. Thank you for having me on.

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