Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:794 A Strange Place To Camp

Episode Date: September 24, 2021

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It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in the beach. my life. What I'm going to go on?

They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet, but what I saw were bears. What, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better. Chair, see ya! Hello? Get somebody out here.

What's one on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six. is about 60 foot in nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh. Katzita, Katsida, but. Ketalita, Tzica, Sama me that.

Hey, get a good from that. No touch that. Bob it. Bob it. Why did they stop? It's Tennessee. You're listening to Saskatch Carnacles. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. Tonight, we're going to be chatting with Charlie and his wife, Allison. And they come to us from us from. Michigan and over a stretch of a couple of years Charlie and his wife both have experienced very strange things out there in Michigan on this lake where they go to camp and kind of take time off to relax. One of the encounters that happened to Charlie reminded me of an episode I did a long time ago. I'll let Charlie tell the story and then I'll kind of go into it.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Charlie to the show. Charlie, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, Wes.

And I also want to welcome Allison to the show. Allison, thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for being here, guys. And I know all of this just happened to you guys back on. Memorial Day. If you would, Charlie, just kind of start from the beginning. What were you doing and walk us into what happened?

Yeah, well, so basically we have, we're lucky enough to have a large piece of property up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, about 50 miles west of Marquette in an area in a town called Big Bay, Michigan. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the area, but it's about as desolate. as it gets for this part of the country. Oftentimes, people go up there, you know, live in Michigan, their whole lives,

and they have no idea. It's like northern Canada. It'd be like going to Saskatchewan. So it's very desolate. It's beautiful. We're lucky to have really no public access to it. So there's no roads, no paved roads, at least.

There's no power boats allowed on the lakes. If you're going to traverse any of the lakes, you've got to use a old-fashioned rowboat. Planes hardly fly over. And just about every type of wildlife you can imagine is up there. And I've been going up there since I was a baby. I mean, I think since I was one years old and I've camped and fished and hiked and I've done a little bit of hunting in the area.

And I'm very familiar with the animal life that's in the area. About the biggest thing I've ever seen up there is maybe black bear. Never seen a moose. Allegedly, they're in the area, but I've never seen evidence of them. There is Bobcat and everything else that you could think of. Like coyotes, there is a small wolf population that's been growing up in the area. So we decided to go camping up there Memorial Day weekend, sort of on short notice. And when we got up there, we set up there.

we set up our camp and took some time to just kind of relax and take it easy. We did some fishing and cooked a great dinner and set up a campfire and watched the sun go down. And it was a beautiful night. It was a beautiful dark blue sky with the sun setting behind the mountains. And we were watching stars come out and a couple planets became pretty obvious. And we just sat there enjoying things like any campers would, you know, mind in our business, listening to the birds and listening to the crickets. And before maybe I'd say, I think what was it, about 10 o'clock, 10, 15-ish, I think,

right around 10, it was about an hour after sunset. We noticed this, I don't even know how to describe it, really. I've been trying to verbalize it. But for lack of a better description, I'm just going to come out and I'm calling it a UFO because I don't know what to call it. But it was a white, bright object. Couldn't have been more than a couple thousand feet up in the air coming over the horizon from behind a mountain that was probably about a quarter mile away. And we watched it as it came closer. And I turned to Allison and I said, what in the hell is that?

And she said, oh, well, maybe it's the space station. I said, that's not the space station. And it started to come closer, and it almost seemed like it was literally making a direct beeline right for us. And we just sort of stared at it, and it got to, you know, maybe nearly right above us. And it almost seemed like it slowed down as it passed over. It was, you know, I've thought about this a lot. and it felt like it was watching us.

It was that kind of weird sensation. Like you felt like somebody was looking down at you. I know that sounds crazy, but that's what it felt like. And as it went over top, it slowed down a little bit. And I noticed that it wasn't really a ball. It was kind of like, I don't know, it was at one point it sort of looked almost like an oblong, you know, diamond, three-dimensional diamond or almost like a cylinder or something along those lines.

And then it just kept on going behind the trees behind us and we kind of just chalked it up as a kind of a weird experience. So, you know, sitting there, I think I was having some bourbon or something like that and we were just staying warm by the fire. We were chatting quietly. And about three or four minutes later, about a half a mile away to the south of where we were sitting and we're at the end of a big inland lake so this inland lake sits maybe i'd say five miles from the shore of lakes lake superior and we're at the end of this inland lake and it was like everything went quiet and then i heard what i thought was the sound of coyotes yipping and you know how aiotie's kind of like they start up.

They kind of go, yip, yip, yip, yep, yep, and then they kind of go into their call. And I'm familiar with that. I've heard them before. And they went, it went yip, yip, yep, yep, and then went real high, and then it continued, and went really low, like something was grunting,

like almost like grunting in pain, like going, and then it overlapped. It was like an overlapping sound of the screen, I mean, it was blood-curdling screams. I thought something was getting torn apart or something was tearing something apart. I don't know. And then it kind of cascaded back into the yips with more screams and then almost what I would say are kind of like yells. And then it kind of just tapered off and then cut out completely.

Not a yip, not a cry, not a scream, not a yell, not. not a thing, just dead complete silence. And Alice and I, you know, we're looking at each other when this is going on. And, you know, her eyes are wide and, you know, she's, I mean, I can tell she's clearly afraid. I'm just sort of stunned because I've been camping there for decades. And I have never, ever heard anything like that. and I've heard a lot of, I've heard a lot of wildlife down there.

So, you know, I turned to Allison and I said, what do you think that was? And she says, I don't want to talk about it. I said, no, I mean, what was that? She goes, if you don't know what that is, I'm scared. And I was kind of, I didn't even know what to say about it. And I said, well, let's talk about it. She's like, no, I don't want to talk about it.

You know, she just wanted to go into 10. And I don't blame her because it was so bizarre. It was so scary. It was so frightening. It was something I've never heard, never encountered before I'm at life. And what made it eerie to me was this all happened a few minutes after we saw this. I don't know what it is, this thing, this thing that came over us in the sky. It was not a drone.

It was not a satellite. It was not a plane. It wasn't a Japanese lantern. it was something else that I couldn't, I couldn't begin to tell you what it could have been. But, you know, in a nutshell, you know, that's, you know, that's, that's basically the story. And I know that you're skeptical of Sasquatch existing, Charlie, or, you know, you're kind of on the fence. Did you guys actually go into the forest the next day and look for any signs or anything? I wanted to go over there.

Allison did not. We actually went fishing during the day and we rode down to approximately that shoreline because I wanted to get a closer look. There's actually a creek that's a freshwater creek that empties into the lake and that's actually the water source for the lake. And this creek kind of goes back about five miles to the south and then the whole terrain changes to basically tundral plane like it's basically flat there's just planes can i ask you alison what did you can you kind of describe what you saw in the sky that night yeah so i mean like charlie said it it didn't look you know i'm not too familiar with the sky but um you know i asked him some questions because he's more knowledgeable than i am so you know i kind of threw out the space

station and he said that, you know, that's not what it was. Like, it was too low to us to be that. And then actually the night after, we documented the time that we saw that thing in the sky. It was like 10.15. And so the next night, we looked up at the sky in the same place we're sitting by the campfire. And we looked in the exact same position and also around it. And we never saw anything like we saw the night before. Yeah. And Allison, what were you thinking when you were hearing all this strange noise coming from the woods? Well, like when it started out like the coyote yips, I'm familiar with coyotes.

I used to live out in like the country area. So I'm familiar with that and some other like smaller animals like that. But I know that he has more knowledge about that area, especially in all the animals that. that roam out, especially at night. So I started hearing the yips, and then it kind of transferred into the deep bellow sound that we heard. And I looked to him, maybe for some, a glimpse of knowledge, or, you know, because I was kind of getting scared at that point

because I've never heard anything like that. And so I looked at him, and his face probably mirrored mine. and I knew that wasn't a good sign because if he didn't know what that was and he's been out here his whole life, then, you know, my fear was probably right that, you know,

it didn't feel like we were supposed to hear it, I guess. Yeah, no, it felt like we were hearing something that was not meant for us. So I, well, after we heard that, and I think I tried to talk to him during, while we're hearing it. And, you know, he kind of looked at me and, you know,

we wanted to finish hearing the rest of its call or whatever it was. And then afterward, he was kind of excited, but at the same time, like, had the same feeling of fear as I did. And he was, he wanted to talk about it. And I'm like, like, no. I'm like, we can talk about this when we are on our way home. And there's no, let's talk about it. What was that?

What did we just hear? And I was like, yeah, I think we should just go in the tent and maybe wait until a morning and maybe I'll talk about it then. Charlie, when you were hearing that, is there anything you would compare it to? Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, this is kind of what encouraged me to call you. I mean, Allison actually had mentioned, we've been listening to you. Well, Allison's been listening to you for much longer, but she kind of got me into listening to you in the spring. and I'd probably heard maybe three or four episodes.

And, you know, the topic's interesting to me. You know, I'm not sure if I'll 100% believer or not, but I'm not a skeptic either. And so I've been listening to those podcasts. And, you know, I particularly was focused, I've been focused on the ones coming out of Michigan. And, you know, I was listening to it Saturday night, this most recent Saturday.

and you played an audio clip from, I think it was, I think the episode you played it in, the one I heard was episode 751, but you played a clip that was a capture out of Michigan, and I immediately, you know, turned up my radio. And, you know, I'm like, okay, let's hear this, you know. And you played this clip, and you guys were talking about, you know, the guest you had, I was talking about vocalizations and the pitch and the volume and how the volume kind of is always loud, but, you know, it's like these things don't have a volume knob. And you played this clip, and the minute it started, it was a replay.

I mean, it could have been identical. That's what it just stunned me, because I've been struggling so hard to verbalize it. And I said, I used to say to myself over the last few months, I wish I'd somehow captured this on on video or on audio. And then when you played that clip, it was hands down 100% like 99% accurate. And I just, I don't know what animal to compare it to other than to me, it felt like three or four different animals all strung together, sometimes overlapping. I could hear maybe the sounds of a big cat, you know, like a bobcat, this is wailing, screaming kind of sound. You know, At one point, you almost could hear sort of like a rutting sound of maybe a deer.

And then, you know, the yipping of the coyote. But then there was this almost human sound, which was, you know, at times where you kind of heard the windup of this maybe possibly cat sound. It was like you could hear the deep breaths almost that we had to go into the animal or into the creature to create that kind of sound. And it was agonizing. So, you know, I don't really have. any basis of comparison other than that clip that you played on that episode 751, and a few of those animals I've heard individually. Yeah, sometimes when they vocalize, it sounds like they have multiple vocal cords. Sometimes they'll make multiple animal sounds. Here's a clip from episode

751. These are sounds recorded in Michigan. I played it over, and I played it probably 20 times in the last two days. I got you. I got you. Because it's just, it's so stunningly similar. And when I heard that was out of Michigan and it sounded so identical, I thought to myself, geez, I wonder if this happened at the same time in the same area. And somebody else would capture it because I was, I was completely shocked at how it sounded so identical. So you guys ended up leaving.

But did anything else ever happen while you were out there camping? No, we stayed another night. Like Allison said, we watched the sky, you know, around the same time. We didn't have, you know, any odd animal noises, any odd sounds, no odd encounters. I mean, everything was, you know, just like a, you know, good old-fashioned camping trip. But it was just that moment in time, that evening, it felt like it was just disconnected from reality. And I know there's two more incidents. that we're going to talk about tonight.

Did they happen in a different state? Both incidents happened in Michigan. Both of them happened on the same property. One happened on the same lake just about a quarter mile away. And then I had another separate incident happen on a different lake on the same property. Well, walk us into the first one. You were on a lake? Kind of what were you doing and what happened?

So the most recent one was two summers ago. we were on a separate lake that's on the other side of this property. So we're probably about five, good five miles away. And this lake actually does border some property where there are three houses on it. All the other lakes are, there's no buildings, no structures whatsoever. So my son and I are fishing on this lake. And there's a boathouse on the lake that houses two, rowboats that you can take these boats out for fishing.

And we're rowing across the lake, and it's probably noon. It's a sunny day. There's a few clouds in the sky. And we're about two-thirds away from the boathouse, traversing the other side to the other side of this lake. And my son is sitting in the front of the rowboat facing the back. So he can see where we've come from. And I, of course, have my back to it as I'm rowing.

and he says, hey, dad, what is that? I look around and I don't see anything. He goes, no, that. And there's some sort of object on the water at the far shoreline from where we had come from. Making no sound, no waves, the lake is flat as can be.

I mean, you can see every reflection. I actually have a photo I can send to you if you would like to see it. And so I don't have the best cell phone at the time, but I try to zoom in. And I can see the object. It's white. It looks like your standard, you know, propane tank that somebody would have in their front yard, you know, that they, you know, they fill up for the winter, like the big ones. Almost like a submarine, really.

And it doesn't, it's not in the water, though. That's the weird part. It's like it's on top of the water, as if it was maybe not even touching the water, to be honest with you. And the weird part about it is that it's not casting a reflection despite the fact that it's white and the water is black. And we watch this thing. We just stop rowing and we just watch it. It goes, I mean, I'd say the width of the lake at that point is probably, I'd say, maybe four or five football fields long. and the thing's probably going three to five miles an hour, maybe walking speed.

And it's just silently going along, going along, going along, going along, and it gets to the shore. And I'm thinking, okay, you know, what's it going to do now? And it just goes into the woods. It just goes into the shore. It just disappears into the woods. It didn't even move. It's like it didn't even go up. It just, whoosh, disappeared.

And my son and I thought, well, you know, what the hell was that? You know, what did we just see? And we couldn't, we couldn't figure it out because there's no boat launch, there's no access to that side of the shore. And really, that area is very, very heavily wooded. So I can't imagine what the heck it was. It was bizarre. It made no sense. It made no sound. It asked no reflection. And I, again, it's something I'd never seen before. But, you know, I mean, what do you do? You know, it's, you go. tell the world what you just saw and people go, yeah, okay, whatever. You know, it's like a fish story.

But we just kind of laughed at it, laughed about it, looked at each other and just chocked it up as a, is a, maybe some type of, you know, paranormal experience. So that was the most recent story. And Charlie, did you, you have a picture of the object? Yeah, I do. I have two pictures. I have one picture where it's basically no Zoom. And you can see it just barely.

And then I have a picture where I've zoomed in on it and I actually changed it to a gray scale because it's easier to pick out the object in. And I can send those to you if you like. Yeah, would you please text it to me or email me the picture? And I'll throw it up underneath this episode, if that's all right. As you were talking, I've been trying to find this episode. I did an episode a long time ago. I think originally the episode was little people, but I had this guy on,

and he was retelling this encounter that happened to him when he was very young. And basically what happened was he was playing, and this little person goes running across the road in front of him. I think he was 13 or 14 at the time. And they kind of lived out in the middle of nowhere. And it ran off into the bush, and then what happened was he describes this, small object just taking off.

And I think he described it as like a little trash can or, you know, it didn't remind him of what you would think of with the UFO. You know, it wasn't like a flying saucer, but it reminded him of like a little trash can or it was very oddly shaped. I need to find the episode. I've been looking all over for it. But I'm curious if his description kind of matches what you guys saw. Yeah, yeah, please send it to me if you would. I'd love to see it. Yeah, I'm going to text it to you.

here as we're talking. Yeah, man, I appreciate it. And if I find that episode, I'll send it to you, Charlie. Yeah, no, that'd be great. I'd love to see it. It's, you know, it's like you, when you see something like that, you struggle to compare it to something that makes sense, you know? And I think the reason why my brain made that correlation was because that part of

Northern Michigan, there is no natural gas up there. You know, so, you know, as a utility is concerned. So everybody's got, you know, propane tanks in their yards. And it was the first thing that came to mind because my mind was trying to associate what it could be that's, that makes sense, that's in the environment. That would, what, what, what shape like that have I seen in the environment? Well, you know, it would be a propane tank like that. But what the hell is a propane tank doing floating across? almost hovering across the lake at a consistent speed.

There was no wind. And then just disappear, fading into the woods, just as if it was, you know, just going on a trip, just going on a little walk. Yeah, I think the initial thought would be it's probably a UFO. But from your description and the way it went off in the woods, I could see why you might think it was paranormal. And it could have been paranormal.

Yes, there's a black and white photo. I just sent it to you. with all the others. And what's interesting is you can see the shoreline. And, you know, I don't know how familiar you are with, with how deer forage, especially in the wintertime. But a lot of times, you know, this is, this area is mostly cedar along these shores and some hemlock. And the deer love to eat that stuff.

And so there's, whenever you go to these inland lakes and you look at the tree line from the shore, It's kind of an oddity of nature. All the limbs, all the lowest branches of the tree are of equal height all the way around the lake because the deer walk along the lake and they eat the bottom halves of these trees. And so you know, just as a reference point, what that height is. And that height is approximately seven to nine feet all the way around the lake. So when you're looking at this object, you can see it. up against the shoreline, and you can see the trees.

And so you know that it's less than, you know, eight feet high. So it's probably about three to four, maybe five feet high, and probably about seven to nine feet long. That's what I figured, which is about what a propane tank would be. Yeah, I'm looking at them now, very strange. And I'll put them underneath this episode on Sasquatch Chronicles. If you guys want to check it out. The last encounter we're going to talk about, did it happen on this lake?

No. So, well, the second encounter happened on the lake where we talked about the first encounter, the one with the scream that we had on Memorial Day weekend. And it happened, it actually happened nearby a campsite that I used to camp it that Allison and I did not camp at, but it's the next, it would be the next point. down that's sticking out into the water. And it actually abuts this creek. It comes right up to this creek.

So it's the end of the lake. And there is nowhere to go after this. Then you're going into this creek and it's really kind of a boggy, marshy area with the foots of two mountains coming down from either side. And so it's really a low land between these two mountains. And I can also send you a picture of that if you'd like to see to get an idea. of the terrain. So essentially, what we were doing, what I was doing is I was camping down there and I was,

this was two, I think it was about 2003. So it was nearly 20 years ago. And I had at the time this big, beautiful Siberian husky. And I'd take him camping with me and he'd go out in the boat. And we would go out and typically do some night fishing right before. because where that creek comes into the lake, there's a deep spot where a freshwater spring is, and that's where all the trout are. So we were going to try to get ourselves some trout and really got ended up with nothing and rode in kind of before it started getting dark. And this campsite is

situated on an outcropping of rock that comes into the water. And there's a small bay and There's sort of a lily pond almost. So it's sort of like a crescent-shaped bay. And we're rowing in and we're coming in very quietly. And all of a sudden the dog gets up and runs to the front of the rowboat and puts his paws up. And he clearly sees something or hear something. And I'm saying, you know, what are you doing? You know, what is it?

What do you see? You know, and he looks at me and he looks back at the shore. and just as I said that, I see like a 12 to 16 foot sapling. For lack of a better description, it looked like somebody had tied a string to the very top of it and was down at the bottom and just pulled it down.

And then it went snapping back up. And I thought that was weird. And then another tree to the left of it did the same thing. And then another tree. And then another tree. and has progressed along the shoreline towards the direction of where our campsite was, which was probably 100 yards away.

And we were just coasting now into this bay. I had been rowing and we still had a little speed. And I just decided to sort of let us kind of coast in in case it was a bear or something like that. I wanted to see what it was. And the weird part is there was no noise. There was no heavy footfall. There was no grunting, but there was a grumbling sound. And the only way I can describe it is that it was sort of like you could feel it more than you could hear it.

It was like a hum. It was like a very low frequency, like roo. And then that was the only sound I heard. And then there was maybe two or more of these trees bent down and then it stopped, just completely stopped. and so I stood there or sat there in the boat. The dog stood up on the end and he starts to bark now. And nothing went running. There was no scattering of an animal or anything like that.

And so just to be on the safe side, because I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a bear, we actually slowly rolled in, rode into that spot where we saw the last tree bend. So I was about maybe 10, 12 feet offshore so I could peek in there. and there was nothing there. There was nothing there. Now, we pulled up the boat and got out of the boat,

and the dog ran over there, and I got to the spot approximately where the, you know, where we'd seen that last tree bend. And we didn't find anything. We didn't find any, you know, trees or brush or anything that looked like it had been broken or snapped. The one odd thing we did find, and it's probably just coincidence,

is we did find two trumpeter swan carcasses that looked like they had died, you know, several days before. I don't, there, once every seven years or so, these swans will migrate up to the area, and that happened to be one of those years. But I didn't really make any association with, with that and in what we saw. But yeah, that's, that was it. And nothing else happened that night. It was a normal quiet night. And, you know, I thought maybe it's poachers coming up a trail. because there is a trail that that does go back there, that sometimes poachers will come up. So again, you know, very bizarre.

And something that I never really even thought about again until we heard those screams on Memorial Day weekend. And then I started thinking, wow, you know, I had that 20 years ago, and then two years ago, the thing that my son and I saw, and now this thing in the sky and these screams, that's kind of a lot of stuff. So, so, yeah.

Yeah, it definitely sounds like a strange place to camp. I can't imagine poachers grabbing the top of trees and pulling them down. You know what I mean? Yeah, it makes no sense. And you see, the weird part, the reason I thought it was weird. And it's funny, I remember after it happened, I was trying to describe it to somebody else who uses the property. And I said, you remember that movie, Jurassic Park, you know, with the dinosaurs. They're like, yeah.

I said, he was kind of like that. I was expecting the brontosaurus to kind of all of a sudden stick up his head, you know, or something that maybe start eating the top of the tree, you know what I mean? And it was an unnatural bending of the tree, too, because it didn't make sense. How could the tip of the tree bend down like that? Where are you going to grab it on the tree to make it bend that way? And it was just, you know, I don't even know what to think about it. It's just, it happened.

It was strange. It didn't make any sense. It was bizarre. And then it just ended. Yeah, it's very strange. The noise that you heard, would you describe it more like, was it more like a growl or was it more mechanical sounding? It was definitely not mechanical. Yes, you know, and it's funny because Alice and I have been interested in the Michigan Dogman story.

So, you know, we've listened to a couple of your podcasts on that, especially the wildlife biologist who, gave a pretty thorough accounting. I guess he took a shot at it with the 45 and it just bounced off his head. You know, it didn't sound canine. It didn't sound like a bear or anything like that. It sounded like a multi-species. It sounded like it was trying to copy.

It sounded like something somebody was trying to copy four different animals sounds at once and spit them all out at the same time. if that makes sense. Yeah, that definitely makes sense. You know, a lot of times when these creatures vocalize, people will describe it as multiple animals or something with multiple vocal cords,

as we talked about there in the past. But let me ask you, I know you're on the fence with regard to if Sasquatch is real or not, but if you had the opportunity, would you want to see one? Well, you see, here's the irony. We're going back to that spot. this coming weekend.

And, you know, Allison's a little nervous about it. And I am, I guess, a little bit too. I mean, I think the odds of having that kind of encounter are pretty low again. At least if I look at it in the context of going up there my whole life and never hearing that. But I don't know. It's a hard thing to answer because I don't know what I would do. You know, part of me is really, really curious. and I really want to see something physical

that I can match that sound up to because I can't process in my mind what could make that noise. If I could witness it and I could witness it in a way that was safe and I knew that I had a way out, I definitely would. If I was wandering through that area

and I know that area well and I came up on it, it's not like an area you can run through. you know i mean you would you would you would get tired way before it would i would imagine um and you know if it wanted to get you it would get you uh and i don't know if it's if it has that motive or not but you know part of me wants to see it and wants to know what it was and then part of me is very you know after seeing what we saw in the sky and and recollecting the previous two experiences i'm clearly there's something going on whether they're related or not i don't know but

But the curiosity is strong. It's just at the same time, my sense of self-preservation is stronger. I get it. What about you, Allison? If you had the opportunity to see one of these things, would you want to? Yeah, I mean, like he said, we're going up there this weekend. And I keep thinking about what we heard and didn't make me feel very secure. It made me feel really uneasy.

So, yeah, I don't think I'm curious enough to go see what it is. But Charlie, you know, he went up there a while ago and he wanted to go explore in the woods and see what it is. And, you know, I'm not on that same, I guess, pattern of thinking. I just kind of, I mean, I'm glad I experienced, you know, the hearing it, but I don't really want to, interact with it again, especially when we're that far out in the woods and, you know, there's, we don't have a car nearby, anything like that to possibly escape except like a tent, but really what's the time going to do if something happened, you know? Yeah, be careful if you go back. I know curiosity will overtake us sometimes and we'll set

aside common sense because of curiosity. And I've done it many times. I've done a lot of stupid things because of curiosity. But let me ask you, and I ask everyone else, And what do you think Sasquatch is? You know, I had this conversation, you know, with Charlie and the whole, I mean, logic and reason and I guess statistics about it. We only know a portion of the ocean. And I feel like we don't know. We definitely don't know, like, what is all out there. The ocean are on land.

So there's definitely a lot of people that coincidental. side of the same things and what they heard or saw and there's different versions of it and varieties of it. But it all kind of is in the same category and relates to one another. So I'm probably a bigger believer than maybe Charlie is, but I definitely think, you know, we don't know everything about the world or the universe. Do you think it's more physical, like a primitive man or more animalistic? Or do you think it's something else? See, I think it's more of the like supernatural being. Because I, you know, because when we talked about the, you know,

glowing cylindrical object that happened before we saw the scream, or we heard the scream, I feel like they coincide and they're not, it's not a coincidence. Yeah, I hear you. And you definitely could be right. I mean, there's a lot of weird things that go on with regard to these creatures and what people experience. There's more going on here than I think most people are willing to admit.

What's your take, Charlie? What do you think? Well, you know, I'm kind of an Allison's camp on this, but I'll tell you, I saw something this weekend on a television show that kind of made me think along a different route. And are you familiar? Do you know what Dolmans are? No, I'm not. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Dolmans are a good way of describing a Dolman would.

go to Stonehenge and it's, it's, think of, you know, neolithic, you know, prehistory rock structures that were created for various purposes and people make all kinds of assumptions and arguments as to what these structures were for. There are quite a few of these dolmens throughout Europe up in some of the northern latitudes. And the show pointed out some characteristics that actually line up with a dolman that exists on this property. It's one of, I think, six or seven in North America that are known to exist. And this dolman is on the top of a mountain.

And it faces, I guess it faces south. And so that would be inland. So that'd be not facing out towards Lake Superior, but inland on the same lake that we were on, incidentally. And the dolman is about a 15, well, people figured it's somewhere in the range of a couple of tons. It doesn't look big, but it is big. It's heavy. It's probably about the size of, oh, I don't know. I'd say if you chopped off the back end of the car about the trunk.

And it's positioned on top of three rocks. So to get it up on these three rocks would take incredible manpower, even using like a lever to do it. It's no small feat. And there's been a lot of speculation as to what this was for. Was it for, you know, some believe that it would, a marker for hunting parties when we had land bridges and they used these things to basically kind of traverse the area and follow game.

But if you look at what a lot of the Dolman experts are saying, is that they were used either for burial purposes as tombs, where they would place the body under the Dolman for a set period of time as part of a ritual, which I believe comes from the druids. Or some people believe that they are used to open portals. And that some of the explanation of these, freestanding dolmens and stone structures around the world were really locations where portals were either naturally occurring and they were to mark them or possibly, you know, enhance them or

activate them to some degree. So, you know, I was thinking about it just over the last few days. What is Sasquatch, right? And there's this thing, this dolman structure on the property. could that be a relationship? Could, in fact, the Dolman mark a portal? What's interesting about the area, the geography of the area, it's all pre-Cambrian rock. It's part of the Canadian Shield. And it's basically two and a half billion-year-old exposed rock. It's very hard to find that in North America.

You have to go down to North Carolina and dig down about six. 60 feet. And that's where they do all that emerald mining. So this is ancient rock. And this rock is just chalk full of quartz veins. I mean, there are quartz veins as wide as your leg that just stripe these rocks. And theory is, a lot of people believe quartz absorbs energy. I don't really know enough about it to be an expert on it. But I think it's unusual that, you know, this stuff is a occurring in the area and on this lake. And that dolman is not too far away, you know, maybe a mile or two row down the lake. And with that being said, you know, if you believe that the dolman has any significance and maybe

marks are portal, maybe this creature is accessing this area to manifest itself and, you know, here. I don't know. I think it's flesh and blood, but my gut feeling is that it's not native. I don't feel like it's some type of indigenous creature that survived prehistory. It just feels too alien. And the fact that we just don't have enough physical evidence or fossil record to say, look, this is here, it makes me feel that it's something that's transitory. It comes and goes. It comes and goes. And whatever the purposes of its coming and going, I couldn't begin to imagine.

But I definitely think it, I mean, interdimensional, I don't know, paranormal, maybe. But there's definitely something about it that's not, it's not from here in my view. It's flesh and blood, but it's not from here. And I feel, I know this is going to sound strange to you, but maybe it's because of the sighting in the sky. I feel like it might be more advanced than us, even though the perception is, oh, well, it's a giant ape. You know, it's almost as smart as a human. Or it does things almost like a human. Well, maybe it does those things that seem human like because it's not human, but we interpret it as human, because we have no way to associate its behavior, you know?

So I think it's something that comes here. I don't know from where it comes, and it obviously has a purpose or agenda or a reason for being here, but flesh and blood, yes. Other than that, I have no thoughts on it. I can't even imagine what it could be. Yeah, it's kind of a fascinating take, Charlie. Makes me wonder if the light that you saw and then the noises that you

heard that I played earlier if it's related or if it was just a weird coincidence. No one really knows. Your take on it, though, is fascinating. Makes me think, I'm going to have to really look into the Dolman because it makes me think about why are they seen. Why does every nation on this planet have a name for this thing? The description's the same. The behavior's the same. Yet no one can catch up with it. It's bizarre. It's bizarre. I really appreciate both of you guys coming on and taking the time to share what happened to you. Yeah, you're welcome, Wes. I'm glad we could share them with somebody where it might be appreciated because, you know, it's not like the kind of thing you can talk to your office workers

about. Yeah, I hear you. And let me know if anything else happens when you guys go back. Allison, thank you so much for coming on. No, thank you. Thank you for having us. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, you've had the encounter. shoot me an email. My email address is West at SasquatchWronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out SasquatchWrarnicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.