Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:798 No Creature, No Deer and No Light

Episode Date: October 9, 2021

Tonight I will be speaking with Johnathan. Back in 2018 he had a very strange encounter happen to him while driving back to his cabin in Virginia. I have personally heard many accounts like this and I am happy Johnathan decided to come on the show and share it. Johnathan said after the encounter "I am left with no creature, no deer and no light. All I have is confusion. This incident has bothered me ever since."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chumtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw were bears. What's going on, what do you report? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh.

Hey, this is Sherry Mack from Kansas City. Go Chiefs. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Best podcast in the world. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. Tonight we're going to be chatting with Jonathan.

And Jonathan comes to us from Virginia. Back in 2018, he was actually driving back to his cabin and had a very, very strange night. I'll let Jonathan kind of go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west at saskwatchchronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out,

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Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Jonathan to the show. Jonathan, thanks for coming on. Hey, thanks so much for having me. Yeah, thank you again for being here. And I know you were kind of nervous coming on because it was such a weird night. But, you know, as I told you before, you're not crazy. I've heard this sort of thing before.

And I don't know what to make of it, but I thought it was very important for you to come on and share what happened to you because maybe it happened to someone else. If you would, would you just kind of start from the very beginning? Kind of tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened. Sure. So I'm a visual artist, graphic designer, photographer, that sort of thing. And I live on the coast, but I have fallen in love with recently over probably the last five or six years with the Blue Ridge Mountains and more specifically the Blue Ridge Parkway area of Virginia and wanted to do a project. And I'm not finished with the project, you know, just yet. So, you know, I can't go too much into it, but it's going to be really special.

but so I spent a lot of time, you know, weekend trips here and there to Virginia, more specifically, for the listeners who might know that area very well, it's Patrick County, Virginia. So what I would do is I would go there, I would spend, you know, three or four days at a time and just working on my project. And there was a few cabins, a few areas where I would rent, you know, for the weekend. It's kind of sort of like the Airbnb thing. And, you know, and I would go there and I'd work and then come home and, you know, and take what I, you know, what I worked with over the weekend and, you know, sort of put it into this project. It's a passion project, really, but it was this one specific week in 2018 that sort of just changed my entire view of the area, if that makes sense.

So I had spent the day working and wanted to go out and just, you know, sort of take in the scenery. And if anybody has, if you've never been to the Blue Ridge Parkway in Virginia, it is absolutely breathtaking. It's stunning. And so I was, I was there probably around 6 o'clock, 5.36 o'clock that afternoon or that evening and drove into a place called Love or Sleep. and it's a lover's leap overlook. And up there, you can just, you pull off the side of the road, which is, it's off of Route 58 in Virginia in Patrick County. And it's just gorgeous.

It's absolutely gorgeous. You can just see for miles and miles. And I wanted to just sit and sort of take it in and write a little bit more and, you know, do a little bit on lover's leap for my project. And there's always tourists, obviously, that come in. and they'll pull in and they want to take pictures and, you know, me being an amateur photographer, but semi-professional photographer, you know, I would jump in and, you know, grab the camera from them and take pictures for them instead of their selfies.

So I stayed there a little bit longer than normal. And again, I mentioned I live on the coast and that was, that's a, you know, so for me, everything's very flat. and I'm not a huge fan of driving those roads at night, and I stayed a little bit too long. So I took in the sunset, everything. So started to head back to the cabin where I was staying at, which is off of this route onto another road called Virginia 8.

And Virginia 8, it's a, it's a windy road, and at nighttime it gets a little dicey, a little scary because of deer, you know, anything really that you could, you might run into. I'm not a big fan of that. So I was heading back to the cabin and this sort of when it all took place. And that was, I apologize, that was a long way of around telling you, you know, the buildup. But on, once you get onto Virginia 8, there's a windy, there's a little bit of windy road. And then as you come up over a hill, this was one specific hill.

and you start to come down, you can see pretty far. For Virginia roads, anyway, you can see pretty far. It went all the way down the hill and then comes all the way back up. And at the very top of the other side of the hill, I noticed a really, really bright light. Like, I mean, it was, I mean, and so, you know, driving late at night on those roads, people have their brights on. That's common.

So I'm coming down the hill, and the lights are, incredibly bright, but they're not getting closer to me. I thought that was a little odd, but I'm getting closer to the lights. And as I start to come down and back up the hill, the lights are still bright. And this is where it gets, is this where it gets really, really strange, really, like where I can't really process what happened. So I'm going to try to tell you this as best as I can. I'm coming up the hill and the lights are still bright. And so my first thought was, okay, growing up, you, you know, you know driving school,

they tell you, you know, you hit your brights once to say, hey, hey, buddy, your brights are on. So I hit my brights, nothing happened. I'm still getting closer to this bright light and it's really bright. And so my first thought was, okay, there's a car that's disabled on the road. So as I'm getting closer, I really can't see, and I hit my brights again. And so this is when I slowed down. And I started to slow on it because this is about a 45 mile an hour zone. And I started to slow down to about 30, 25 because I really couldn't see.

And I was at this, and I got frustrated because I was like, okay, you're a broken down vehicle. I'd like to help you, but you need to kill this brights. And so I hit my brights. is, you know, I just, I just turned the brights on, never, never turning them back off again. And as soon as I hit my brights on, the only way I can describe this, man, is, is sort of like a flash of explosion. It was like, like, you know, you look in the sky at night and the stars that we draw as artists or that we know how to draw as kids, that's not how a star really looks. It's got that bright vertical, bright horizontal extends out, you know, wide. It flashed brighter than anything I've ever seen to the point where I hit my brakes and brought my car to a complete stop.

And the bright light that I saw in the center sort of looked like it just exploded. And then it went black. It just went black. And I'm now stopped in the road. And this time of evening on this road, there's not much traffic. And if there is, luckily for me, they're going to see me coming up over that hill. So I'm sitting there because I can't believe there's nowhere for this, the West, there's nowhere for this vehicle to have made a right or a left.

There's nowhere for it to go. So if I can tell you, the way I'm headed in my direction, one side is sort of the rocky mountain that, you know, the mountain, you know, the mountain this terrain that goes up and the other side it goes down there's nowhere for a car to go because my first thought was this car just took off and so i'm stopped my car's running but i'm stopped and i i was trying to actually regain my my not my vision but you know if you look into the sun for for 30 seconds and look away i just i couldn't see very well so i put my car in park and i turned my brights off. But as I was looking ahead, I saw something in the road. Up at the top of the hill, I saw

something in the road. And it looked almost like just a bag of trash. It looked like a big black bag. That's how I would describe it. So I hit my brights and it was not a black bag. It was something, there was something in the road. So when I regained my composure, because again, I've never seen anything this bright in my life. I drove up the hill and as I got closer with the brights on, there was a deer in the road. Where I thought that, you know, that bag of trash or whatever, that big lump of black was, was a deer. And so I pulled up and I thought, okay, this car hit a deer and didn't know what to do. Because I'm still thinking this is a car. I just, you know, at this point, I didn't know how to process this.

So I stopped, I put my car in park, and I got out. And as I walked up, now at this point, it went from twilight to sort of like, you know, the midnight black. And as I'm walking, as I got out of my car, I started walking up. And with my brights on, I saw that there was a deer laying in the middle of the road. And I walked up to it and I looked at it. And when I looked down at it, it was alive. and it was alive, but it was looking at me. And I have been in these mountains and in this area,

off and on for five years for this project. And I know for a fact, I would wake up at the morning in my cabin. There were deer there every morning eating, just nibbling in the grass. If you even closed your door, deer's run. You know, that's what they do. He was laying there and he was looking at me. but the most disturbing part was that there was no blood there was no blood anywhere there was no sign of impact there was there was nothing about this deer other than it was laying on its side like like

you and i would be laying in bed and he was looking at me he was breathing and so i had i had uh my my phone was in my car everything was in my car and one of the contacts that i've made one of the relationship I've made over the year. Over the years, his name was Steve. He is an outdoorsman. I'm not. I love that area, but I don't hunt. I don't do any of that.

I walked back to my car because I wanted to get my phone because I can't even fish, to be honest with you. If I catch a fish, I get sad a little bit. I love animals. I love nature. Yeah. You know, so I walk back to my car thinking about my friend Steve. And I was like, I'm going to get my phone.

Steve lives within 10 minutes away. And again, this is about maybe 15 minutes away from the Blue Ridge Parkway. Very, very heavily traveled area. So I had two thoughts. One was, I need to help this deer. And my second was, I need to figure out what to do with my car because if somebody comes up over that hill and comes down, you know, I don't want to cause an accident. So I got in my car and drove up a little bit further. I passed the deer up to the top of the hill and sort of made a left into the oncoming traffic lane where people could see me coming up over that hill and put my flasters on.

Again, I'm being a sappy guy here. I felt bad for the deer. He's still laying there. He's still breathing. And every time I approached it, his eyes, he was looking at me almost like he was paralyzed. And I grabbed my phone and I went. to call my friend Steve and I didn't have any service. And I thought that was interesting because you know, this is, this is out, this is a very remote area. But again, 15 minutes away from the

Blue Ridge Parkway, you don't really have that much trouble getting service. I had no service on my phone. So my next thought was I'm going to go back and get my, I had my laptop with me as well, because I write. So I went back to get my laptop and my car. And I'm looking through my bag. And this is where the word kook or you're insane from friends or people that have told the story to comes into play. I was looking, I had my door open. I'm in the passenger side of my car. And I'm going through the back seat of my car with my bag, getting my laptop out because my thought was I'm going to get my laptop out and I'm going to shoot him a quick message. and I found my laptop and I turned around to look and the deer was gone.

The deer was gone. There was nothing in the middle of the road. So, okay, now I'm processing this now, I've had years to try to figure this out. Okay, car hit a deer, car left, even though a car can't make that kind of a light. car left deer is maybe stunned which i i think has happened deer then finally regained sort of like the feeling as body i don't i don't know and it takes off that that all of this is sort of making sense the deer's gone this is when this is when everything sort of went like deathly still i've never in my life and i i've i grew up in west virginia

I live on the coast now. I've been in mountains. I've been in desert. I've never heard anything go silent. Like the silence, it was, I can't even explain it to you, Wes. The silence was just, you know, it's sort of that every hair on your body stands up because it almost felt like, you know, I know, I know it's, you have so many hair on your body stands up because it almost felt like, you know, I know it's cliche. And I know you have so many interviews with so many people. And it's a cliche.

It's very cliche, but it's like, oh, someone's watching me. I had the feeling of someone watching me. I've never known what that feeling was like. I'm guessing this must have been it. But it went completely silent. It went from in September, that time of year in the mountains, you know, you hear the chirping. You hear all of that. And everything went completely silent.

And I put my laptop back down. and when I turned around there was a figure in the middle of the road at the top of the hill. At this point, I went from sort of the, like, I want to help the deer to, I don't know what to do now.

And this thing was, this was, this was a figure that I, don't know how to describe, but it was tall. And again, I've been to so many parts of this area, and you go into any mom and pop shop up there,

and they have Bigfoot stickers, you know, they have Bigfoot T-shirts. It's so, you know, it's a money-making scheme. I'm not saying that it was that. But it was big, and all I could see was the silhouette because my lights were still on for my car. And he was probably, I want to say,

maybe 50 yards. I'm thinking of football field like dimension. Dimensions, maybe 50 yards away. I'm on the 50 yard line. He's in the end zone. And it's just standing there. And honestly, man, I don't,

it, it, I've never been to this day, I've never been able to scrap that out of my mind, if that makes sense. I've never been able to get rid of that thought out of my mind. I've never been able to, to not unsee it.

And I stood there and whatever it was stood there. And I was frozen. And I didn't know what else to do. I had my laptop in my hand and I reached in my car and I put the laptop back down on the front seat. And I wanted to hit my brights. My lights were on. My car was on. I wanted to hit my brights.

But I was scared, if that makes sense. and I didn't hit my brights for a minute or two, but I made, there was a contact. And I know that sounds crazy, but there was, I don't know what this thing was, but I know it was not a person. And I know, obviously, I'm not into that whole, I believe in, you know,

I believe there's a chance that there might be life on other planets, obviously. I think our, you know, it's crazy not to think that we're the only ones in the planet or the only ones in the universe. But it's not that green little guy that people talk about, but it wasn't an animal. I don't know what this was. I have no idea what this was. But between the lights, the deer being there, then the deer being gone, and then this thing at the top of the hill.

I was terrified, man. I was absolutely terrified. And I'm sorry for the long story there. Yeah, no apologies at all, ma'am. I was absolutely terrified. And so I stood there for, well, it felt like, it felt like an hour. It was probably maybe a minute. Again, I don't know.

And all I knew was I didn't feel safe and I didn't feel comfortable. So the deer's gone, my job's done. So I went to get my car, my car was running, and I hit my brights, and it just took off towards, if I'm looking at the road, it took off away from me to my left. So I'm looking, it went to its right, my left. down over a bank up a hill stopped one last time, looked at me again and took off. I sat there because I was, my first thought was, I need to move my car in case another car comes.

I wish to God there would have been another car. Somebody else that would have seen this. But it didn't. One of these experiences is crazy enough. A deer in the road that's alive, that you can actually approach and it doesn't run away. The lights were scary enough, but this thing looked at me

and I felt like it was trying to tell me something. I felt like it was talking to me, even though I couldn't hear anything, I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to get that crazy. But it was looking at me and I was looking at it, and I don't know if, I don't know if, I don't know what it had to do with the light.

I don't know. Did it have something to do with the deer? I don't know. Yeah, very strange. Very, very strange. I know when you're talking about how quiet it was, until you experienced it, it's kind of hard to explain that to someone,

but I've experienced it twice, and I know exactly what you mean, is so quiet, your ears almost ring. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah, it was, it was, you know, because again, you hear, you know, you hear the, you know, the forest, the mountains.

Most people can kind of relate, unless you live in, you know, Manhattan. Born and raised in Manhattan, most people can kind of relate to like the late summer sounds. There was nothing. There was nothing. And, but I can't stop. There's a few things I can't stop thinking about. One was obviously the way the deer was looking at me.

It wanted to lift its head up, but it couldn't. But its eyes were fluttering. Its eyes were moving back and forth, almost as if it was saying, you know, I don't know if it felt like the deer was saying, help me, or I'm warning you, if that makes sense. But then the silence, but then the lights, I don't know, the lights, I can't even describe it. It's like if somebody hit you with, I don't know what kind of light. I really don't know how to describe that. But if somebody hits you with the brightest light you've ever seen, and it sort of did that. horizontal out to the right out to the left and then which further and then up and down vertical and then

horizontal boom and then it was gone i mean that alone would have would have set me over the edge the deer but then the part that just keeps me up at night is standing there having a stair down 50, 45 yards, something like that, away from the biggest thing I've ever seen in my life. The scariest thing I've ever seen in my life. And I don't know what it was. Can I ask you really quick? I know that you are 50 yards away from the same, which in reality is pretty close. I mean, in the grand scheme of life. And you're kind of seeing basically an outline. Was there anything about the shape or how it was proportion that really stays with you? you? It was

top heavy. Maybe that's if that's the right word I'm looking for. From waist up seemed to get larger. The waist up seemed to get larger and very muscular. But honestly, I don't really, I can't really

remember if just being honest with you from the waist down because I just remember seeing the face or not the face but the shape of its shoulders. I mean, it looked like, I mean, I'm just thinking a bodybuilder that was like, I don't know, a bodybuilder that was covered in like black duct tape. I don't know how to describe it. That doesn't make any sense. Anybody that just that hears this is going to say, what does that mean? And not black duct tape. The mustaches and the beards that you get for Halloween, that you buy at Party City or something, that material,

but it was like a bodybuilder covered in that material, but I couldn't see a face. I couldn't see like definition of shape of ears or anything like that. I couldn't see anything like that. And I didn't see eyes either because, again, that's not that far away like you said. but pitch black at night and brights on, it just sort of created this perfect silhouette,

a silhouette which I actually drew. I couldn't sleep for probably a week after that, and I sketched it over and over again, probably a hundred times. I filled a sketchbook, an entire sketchbook, with everything, with the whole night. I can, you know, I see the deer blinking at me. I see the, but the bright light was almost just like a,

it was like a it's like what I think of when scientists talk about like stars exploding um but then that but then that that whatever that was but it wasn't a it wasn't a person at first I thought it was maybe the person that drove the car that hit the deer I was trying to like backtrack you know in my mind thinking like this this is all just a guy driving your car hit a deer got scared backed this car away, got out of the car maybe to come check on the deer, no, no. This wasn't a person. This wasn't a person. There's, no one can convince me that this was a person.

Yeah, you're trying to, you know, you're trying to make sense of what's going on. When you guys were both standing there and looking at each other, I wasn't sure if I caught on what you actually said or not. Was there any sort of communication between you and this entity or a creature? Or was it pretty much just kind of a standoff? It was a standoff, but I felt like it was, I felt like it was trying to talk to me. Like, I don't want to, I don't want to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to downplay, you know, sounding absolutely crazy or absolutely insane. I felt, I didn't feel fear when I was looking at it.

I don't know if that make, you know, like when I first looked up and saw it standing there at the top of the road, I, you know, it was like, it was like, it was like, it was that stomach dropping like when you're, you're going over the first hill of a roller coaster thing, like terrified. But then after whatever this was, 20 seconds, 30 seconds, five minutes, I don't know how long it was. I felt, I felt a sense of almost like, it was so silent out. and it was just between myself and whatever this was, I felt a sense of peace for just a moment. It wasn't like I needed to get in my car and back out of there. It wasn't like I was in a bad neighborhood and I needed to get out of there. It was like I wanted to, I don't know,

it was almost like I wanted to leave my car. There was like part of me saying, go see this thing, go talk to this. this thing. And then, you know, on the other shoulder, it's saying, no, don't let go of the window, because my hand was holding, you know, the door of the car, like, for deer life. But I, but no, there was no communication. It didn't make a noise. There was no sound anywhere. It felt like there was no sound within a thousand miles of me. Yeah, I hear you. Let me ask you about the deer. I'm curious, you know, didn't get up and run off. Did you notice any sort of injuries? Obviously, it didn't have a broken neck. It probably, you know, wouldn't be alive.

But did you notice any sort of injuries on the deer? Nothing. That's what, because again, like I said, I've spent, you know, I grew up, I grew up in northeastern West Virginia. I born and raised, grew up there, spent, I've spent, you know, spent so much time. I lived in Tennessee for a while. We, we lived all over. I lived in western Pennsylvania. Deer is part of my life.

You know, I've hit, unfortunately, I've hit three driving. I was never a hunter, but all my friends were. I'm very familiar with deer. Even at the cabin that I stay at, when I go up to the Blue Ridge Mountains, they're out there in the mornings, eating. Early morning, 6.37 o'clock, I would always make a cup of coffee, go out on the deck and quietly sit there and you could watch them just come up out of the hills and eat and then be on their way.

There was nothing wrong with this deer. But it could not lift its head off the ground more than, I want to say, two and a half, three inches. It would lift its head up slightly. The body was still. Its legs from the midsection of the leg down. And I don't know what that's called. Not a hunter, but we're kind of almost like it was trying to run. You know, a deer run.

it was trying to do that with its feet and it was breathing very heavily but its eyes it still to this day its eyes the way its eyes looked at me was like either you either help me or help yourself I don't I don't know and it was

it was a combination it was like it was like the perfect storm because I grew up hearing about legends and lure And, you know, I love your show. And I listen to other shows. And I've read multiple books. You know, but it's like one of these three things would have happened that night. And, you know, and then you deal with it. But all three, I just don't understand.

What, like, what was this light? What did the light have to do with the deer that had to do with this thing, this lineback? You know, that's the only way I can describe it. Like an NFL linebacker, but obviously was not a person. Can you describe the light? I mean, was it two lights or was it one light? And, you know, I'm very curious about the lights. Would you kind of give us a description of the light that you saw?

Sure. So it was a, it was almost a perfect circle when I was coming down the hill. When I came up over the hill and started to come down. And again, this was on, you know, this was on a road. It's Virginia 8, you know, people can, you know, can look it up, look at Google, you know, Google Earth and see it. It's a two-lane road. It's middle of nowhere, very remote.

But I came up over the hill. And when I saw the light, it was like almost like a perfect circle. But I, you know, I've noticed, I know, and I know that some guys, and I shouldn't say guys, they're, you know, women too. But some people out there do have, like, you know, the floodlight. if that's the right word like you know out in the woods uh you know people that hunt will have have that big light on the on the you know the top of their trucks um it wasn't two lights like headlights but you know sometimes if you're far enough away from a car with their brights on

it almost seems like one light it was one solid light and it was an orangeish it was it was it was brighter than headlight or i mean it was a different color than headlights it was almost like a it was almost like a a red it was almost like a burgundy color and as I started to get closer it went from sort of that burgundy down to like a you know a burnt orange and it was bright but I hit again like I said I hit my brights one time nothing hit my brights you know just quickly on and off like hey buddy turn off your brights I can't see I did it the second time but it was the third time I was like all right dude I've had enough of you and I went as soon as I hit my brights on to leave him on is when it was just,

it was like this explosion. I mean, the only way I can describe it is imagining, looking at a star that burns out. Yeah, another witness described very similar to what you're talking about, Jonathan. He talked about the death star, you know, when it explodes in Star Wars and it kind of goes, dissipates everywhere.

That's kind of what he was saying as far as what he saw. Thank you. Yes. I don't know. I don't know. You telepathic, yeah, I'm wearing my, I'm wearing a Star Wars shirt, by the way. I don't, anyway, yeah, it was sort of that boom. And you can see, you know, the, like I said, the vertical lights, the light that went up and down and then left and right.

The left and right went out further, but it happened so fast. And then it was pitch black. It was that, that was it. And it looked like from where I was at to the light, you know, it looked like maybe from where I was at, like maybe the size of a basketball, like, you know, as far as dimension-wise. But it was in the exact same places where the deer was when I approached it, where the deer was laying. Yeah, and I know you were heading back to your cabin.

How far away is your cabin from where this took place? This is about, I want to say about 20 minutes away, 20 minutes, 13 miles, 15 miles, 15 miles, something like that. But then I say 20 minutes, but at nighttime, maybe a little faster than day, but at nighttime, obviously, me, I'm a coastal guy for the last 20 years of my life, and I'm used to driving, you know, 20 miles, you know, straight road. I could drive it with my knees. So, you know, I take it a little slower.

But not that far away, but again, even where my cabin is at that I like to rent is really in the middle of nowhere as well. I'm maybe 20 miles away from even the nearest market or convenience store. Yeah, the lights really fascinate me. And I did a show a while back. It's actually a really popular show. When the guest came on, he didn't want to share this portion of the story. So you don't actually hear it in the show.

But before he saw these two creatures, he saw these two lights in a tree. and he said they exploded. And he used that whole, like the Death Star. And I don't think he said exploded. He said they just kind of dissipated. And it went everywhere. Right after that is where he saw the creatures. And it makes me wonder if there has to be something going on with these lights and these creatures.

It's a weird, weird coincidence. I wanted to ask you, how far away from you was the deer when you were by your car? What kind of a distance are we talking about? So I, maybe 10 feet. So, so I mean, I would have, I feel like I would have heard it. You know, I mean, it was close because I, I was, again, I was worried about it. You know, like I told you earlier, but maybe, maybe 20 feet max. It was not that far away.

And I feel like I would have heard it take off, you know, especially in terms. the woods with the silence, I feel like, I feel like it would have heard something. What was, I think with the strangest, well, strangest part, the whole, the whole, and again, I think this whole thing happened within, you know, half an hour. But the strangest part, honestly, was when I, I went back to where I knew the deer was laying. And there was nothing, nothing. There wasn't drool from the deer.

I don't know if deer is drool, but there was nothing there. There wasn't any indication that 30 seconds ago, a minute ago, there was a deer laying there completely paralyzed. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that is odd. Because even if the deer would have gotten up and ran off, you would assume you would have heard it. Yeah, I would have heard it because, again, I've, I've, I've, you know, I have a brother-in-law who has a beautiful place up near there, well, probably maybe about three hours away from there, but, you know, has trails in his backyard and, you know, lives in the middle of the mountains. And, you know, you walk through the mountains by yourself on a trail, you know, and I've been on the Appalachian Trail as well. And you, you hear a deer, they make popping noises, you know, they step on branches.

is true. There was nothing. There was nothing. And then seeing that being there was I don't know. That that's that I mean obviously that was you know the icing on the cake but it was I just don't know. I spent I spent the last few years trying to figure out what part of this story creep me out the most if that makes sense. But obviously it was it was what was staying there because it was not it was You know, people talk about bears.

And, you know, I've been out there enough to know that this was not, this was not anything that should have been there. But I don't know why it was there. It's just, it's really, it's hard to wrap my head around. That's why, you know, it's why I wanted to try to, you know, share it with somebody finally because it's been haunting me for a few years now. Yeah, I'm glad that you did. I really am.

And, you know, there's a lot of bizarre cases. I know when I had Stan Gordon on, he's kind of a UFO investigator in Pennsylvania. But he wrote about these weird Sasquatch encounters the same time that these UFO encounters were going on. I think it was back in the 60s and 70s in Pennsylvania. If my memory is right, I think the book is called Silent Invasion. But there's an account that Stan investigated where one of the... of these creatures was up on the porch of this old lady's home. And I've talked about this before. She stepped out, had a shotgun, took a shot, and it disappeared in a weird flash of light.

So there's definitely strange accounts of these things going on. And I think if people just pass them by or, you know, dismiss them. I think it's a huge mistake. So when you were looking at this creature, did it have a deer on its shoulders or was it carrying a deer? No. No, it, if I can, if I could, you know, I wish that I could, you know, I wish people could see that, you know, my sketch. I would, I would, you know, I would, you know, gladly, gladly put that sketch in your hands. But it, it was, it was almost, it was almost like it was just, imagine being too big, imagine your arms being too big for your body that they, you know, you, you, you, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, I can put our arms right next to our waist. You know, we can put our arms right next to our stomach. But imagine being too big for your body that your arms can't go all the way down.

And the arms were, see, the problem, what really has frustrated me is I've done a lot of research since this point. And I've looked at a lot of, obviously, you know, the video that you can go back to and see, I can't remember the name of it, but the famous Bigfoot video. Oh, yeah, the Patterson Gimlin film. Yes, I've watched that. Nothing like that. This, the arms weren't,

the arms weren't down to its knees. It, it, I don't know, it just, it almost felt like, again, the only way I can describe it is a bodybuilder because the the big thick area around its neck and its head was I mean it was perfectly proportioned except from the waist down the waist down didn't attract me to look I mean not attract me but to look at it was it was almost as if it came to it was almost like if it came to a V shape at the bottom and then just just, that's why I said it was almost like a, you know, people call it the pear shape, but flipped a pair upside down. But it was huge.

I know it was huge because it was, like I said, I'm trying to put this into something that people can understand and that I can understand and being, you know, being a sports fan 40, 40, 45, 50 yards away. And it was, I just know if I would have been right next to it. I can't imagine the size because it looked, it looked twice the size of me from where I was standing. Just monstrous. It was, it was huge.

And what kind of a creature like that? What kind of a being like that? Let's just say, even if it was something here that we're used to, what sees a person and doesn't take off? Right? That's what I'm struggling with because it doesn't matter what kind of animal you encounter. Animals take off. They'll either take off or they'll attack you.

What kind of a being must this have been to have stood there and had a staring contest with me? It was like the Wild West. Like who's going to draw first? I don't know. I don't know. And I wish I had more, I wish I could give you and your, you and your listeners more details of what it looked like, but I couldn't, you know, it was more of a silhouette, a perfect silhouette. And if I can, I'll, you know, I would love to, I'll take some screenshots of my sketchbook

and send them to you sometime so you could see it because I have it, I have it embedded in my mind. And, you know, I blame that on the day job as being an artist. But it, it, it, however long this was, and we were just staring at each other, and I felt peaceful, which was odd because if I've seen anything in the woods, I'm taken off. I'm not that brave. And then whenever, however long that happened, however long that was, it just split. But it wasn't fast. It just walked to its right.

If I'm looking at it, it walked to its right to my left. And that side of the road was where the hill started to gradually go up. and it went up that hill and it was gone. And now I'm left with no creature, no deer, and no light. Like, I just don't understand. Like, I want somebody, I want somebody, if anybody hears this, I want someone to tell me either I'm nuts. I had nothing to drink that day, I can tell you that.

I just want someone to tell me either I'm nuts or, hey, this kind of stuff does happen. Yeah, you're not crazy. And this stuff definitely goes on. There's a lot of really, you know, Sasquatch is weird enough. But some of this other details that come out in encounters, it absolutely goes on. And anyone who tells you different is delusional or they're lying to you. Does it happen in every encounter? No.

but these these weird incidences do go on. I wanted to ask you about your impression. You know, you're standing there looking at this creature, and it's looking back at you. And when you think of a standoff, you think of, you know, who's going to throw the first punch. What was kind of your impression as you were looking back and you had this standoff with the creature?

Because it's strange. You know, if it would have just kept going, you probably would have never seen it. Right. And that's a really great question because that's one I was hoping you would ask me because I've actually written this down so many times before. I almost feel like I'm sorry to apologize for saying he. I keep saying he.

But I feel like it was as curious about me as I was about it. there was I mean again like I said before a creature you see a creature you see something in the woods and unless it's

going to attack you it takes off I don't feel like there's any middle ground I feel like you see a bear if the bear leaves you alone you leave the bear alone if the bear there's cubs around the bear will

you know, that will protect the Cubs. This thing was, was, I feel like it was trying to tell me, and again, this is where my head was at at the time, I felt peace. I felt half of me wanted to go to approach it. The other half of my body was saying, you know, this is a really terrible idea. But it, I feel like it was thinking or it was trying to tell me. don't worry about it. Don't worry about everything you just saw,

you go on your way and I'm going to go on mine. I, you know, because I, I, you know, again, if this thing is intelligent, whatever this was, if it was intelligent enough, which obviously, it's something standing upright walking, that means it has to have intelligence. I mean, turtles are intelligent in a certain sense. But I feel like if it, it sized me up, you know, I'm not a big guy.

I'm not, I was driving a car, not an SUV or a truck. Not that I'm stereotyping, but I don't own a gun. I've never owned a gun. You know, my my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my backseat was filled with sketchbooks and pens and ink and, you know, and my laptop, you know, I'm an artist. I feel like it knew it. That might sound crazy, but I feel like it knew that I wasn't going to hurt it. And so in return,

this thing wasn't going to be violent to me. It was, like I said, it was a very, very peaceful, however long it was, and I wish I would have known, I wish I could have figured out how long this was.

It was so peaceful. Between the deathly still, and by the way, way when it was gone everything returned to life the sound came right back and so my drive back which i was shaking and you know and i get back to a cabin that's in the middle of the woods completely pitch black there's nothing out there you know i hit every light i hit every light in the cabin on for the rest of the night and i didn't sleep and i sat there in the room that was the center of the cabin that I couldn't see out of the windows of because I was that terrified.

But it was so peaceful. And I don't think it knew. I feel like it knew. And I feel like it wanted, it was trying to tell me, you know, I'm looking at you. You're looking at me. We're going to size each other up. I'm as curious about you as you are at me. And I'm going to go on your way. Or I'm going to go on my way and you're going to go on yours. But again, I just don't know like where all of this, how all of this tied in? What was that light? That's what I want to know. What the hell was that light?

And the light disappeared and then put a deer there. Or I don't know if the deer was already there or if the deer was crossing before I came up over the hill was the deer crossing the road, which all the time happens there. There's those yellow, you know, deer crossing signs. everywhere in the Blue Ridge Parkway, in the Blue Ridge Mountains, was the deer crossing the road and this thing appeared than what was this thing? But then why was there this creature, this being this thing thereafter? Like, none of it makes sense. I can't figure it out. Yeah, it's frustrating, especially when you try and search for answers and, you know, I'm not going to, you know, see here and tell you, well, this is what happened. And here's exactly what was going on,

because I really don't know. I've heard it many times. And it's a lot of your questions are the same questions I have. And neither one of us can answer them at the moment. It is frustrating, especially when you're trying to, you know, you're replaying it over and over and over again in your head. I get it, man. I get exactly the way you feel. After this whole encounter, did you feel ill or did you feel sick afterwards? I didn't feel, well, yeah, I did, but I, I, I, it was more of a nervousness, stomachache kind of thing. It wasn't, because I've heard, you know, again, listening, I've listened to your show.

I, you know, I've, I read a lot. I'm a big sci-fi guy. You know, I love all the sci-fi movies. It wasn't like a, oh, you know, I'm burned or, you know, like, like, ill, like, you throwing up, you know, or any of that. It wasn't that, but it was a very unsettling my, like, I didn't eat well for the next few days, but I think it was the, the, I'm 45 years old, and I've never encountered anything that has scared me as much as this ever in my life.

And I've gone through some weird stuff. I lived in a house growing up in West Virginia that was over 100 years old and had some weird stuff going on in it. That's another story for another day. But this was the most terrified I've ever been. So I think it was probably just maybe my body reacting to that. But it wasn't like a, you know, I didn't go, I didn't go back to the cabin and start vomiting or anything like that. No. Yeah, from fear and shock, you're feeling kind of, kind of ill. I get that. The reason why I was asking you that question is there's a theory of infrasound that these things put off infrasound. and sometimes people get ill from infrasound.

It's kind of one of the side effects. But that doesn't really sound like that was the case in this situation. And like I was telling you before, you're not crazy. You're not going insane. This has happened a lot. I've heard it many, many times. And I've filmed the lights. I have no idea what the lights are.

To this day, I've no idea what it was that I saw. Just a weird light flying around in the woods. It's weird. You know, one question I ask everyone, Jonathan, and there's no wrong answer. I'm very curious on your opinion. What do you think Sasquatch is? I, you know, I believe that we have been around for so long, and I don't want to take anything away from anybody who has Christian beliefs that might listen to your show.

but I believe in evolution as far as, you know, things evolve. And, you know, who's to say that this wasn't something from hundreds and, I mean, thousands of years ago that sort of just went off the radar and didn't want to continue to evolve like we have. And, you know, and it still exists at a stay. I don't know because I don't, I've heard, I've heard stories my whole life growing up. I mean, obviously, I lived in a town where there's something, there's a legend about something called the Grafton Monster. I don't know if you've ever heard of that.

In Grafton, West Virginia, you should check it out sometime. That's where I grew up in Grafton, West Virginia. And there's, the town loves it. There's a, there's a legend about the Grafton Monster. I believe that there are, and of course, we were only a couple hours away from the most famous, one of the most famous, one of the most famous. things in the world, which is, you know, point pleasant. Which, you know, but I believe that there are things out there. And, but I believe that we are so stuck in our day-to-day routine.

You know, people say, well, I've never seen a UFO, but how often do you look up? We drive to work. We go into work. We're in work all day. We come out. We go to lunch break. We eat. Come home, play with your kids.

spend time with your family, your loved ones, you know, you binge watch shows on Netflix. I watch your show, you know, I listen to your show. How often do we actually look up? We don't, you know, we don't look up. So, you know, the few, so when someone does look up and see something, we immediately say that they're crazy. So if somebody's in the woods and sees something that might have mutated over the years,

might have evolved in some way over the years, went from ape to human but stopped halfway. I mean, I don't think that it's crazy. So for a Sasquatch, I just feel like, or Bigfoot in general, if this is what it was, because I can tell you, it didn't have any, I almost said it didn't have any characteristics of an alien. No one's, you know what I mean? That was a ridiculous, I was about to say ridiculous comment.

And I said it. But, you know, the little green men or the gray people or, you know, anything you've ever read about. It didn't have anything otherworldly. Again, it felt like I was staring at just a big giant bodybuilder, an NFL linebacker covered in hair. So what is Sasquatch? It is, it's, you know, it's the perfect mixture of nature and civilization.

I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, and that's a fair answer. It's definitely a fair answer, Jonathan. And like I said, no one really knows what Sasquatch is. So there's really no wrong answer. God, I would love to know what the heck that light was and what happened to the deer in your encounter. Very, very strange, but they're all strange, you know.

I really appreciate the fact that you would take the time to come on and share something very personal to you as far as what happened to you. Thank you so much. And thanks so much for your time, man. I enjoy chatting with you. Hey, thank you for having me. Appreciate it. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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