Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:8 Bigfoot Research 101 with John Green

Episode Date: December 23, 2013

In this episode we bring you answers to some of the most asked questions regarding Bigfoot. We have a very special interview with John Green that we will be discussing. What is Sasquatch? Kill vs No Kill according to John Green and as always we will have encounters of the week! Join us every Sunday night as we will be discussing Bigfoot encounters and Bigfoot stories. William Jevning Woody and Wes will also be discussing Sasquatch behavior and encounters. We will be discussing recent encounters and older encounters. John Green first began investigating Sasquatch sightings and track finds in 1957 after meeting René Dahinden and the two researchers collaborated in interviewing witnesses and sharing information of alleged sightings. A year later Green was shown a series of 15" tracks crossing a sandbar beside Bluff Creek in California so deeply impressed as to indicate a weight many times that of any potential hoaxer. He has been trying ever since to establish what it is that makes the tracks. Green is also the only surviving person to have investigated the original Sasquatch tracks reported in Bluff Creek, California in the summer of 1958. As a renowned authority in the field, Green has appeared as a keynote speaker at all three of the major scientific Sasquatch symposia held so far. Green has authored several Sasquatch books, including Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us, still regarded as the single best book yet written on the subject. It has recently been re-issued, along with an updated combination of two earlier books, and is titled The Best of Sasquatch Bigfoot.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? What on now, sir?

That's sort of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, Liam Jeffey. Let's start the show. Did you guys share about the woman that called in to the coast to coast with George Norrie, the Kalin? Have you guys read about that yet? Huh.

Oh, man. I'm so tired of the crazies in the Bigfoot world. So she described how she lived in a cave with this male big, Bigfoot for three weeks. Oh, good. And she describes long conversations using telepathy. She could come and go as she wanted, she said. And she goes back once a year to spend a week with this male squatch according to her.

So that's pretty awesome. Oh, good grief. You know, there's like a vacation for it. Neck cases out there. Yeah. Tell me about it. And I really want to go off on a tangent, but I'll try and eat some self-control and find a cold, so it may not be easy tonight.

But I came across this interview with John Green back in 1999. Well, you knew John Green. You knew René DeHen and all these guys. And I think for anyone out there... Yeah. I think any of these guys out there that, whether they have a passing interest in it or if they're a researcher, they should really research these two guys. And those two in particular, I was thinking about it earlier today, you know,

Because of them guys, I think we're both. I didn't realize how larger than life a character Renee DeHendon was. And Green, you know, all these guys, in this interview I'm going to play for you, John Green answers. For people who don't know John Green, he was born in 1927. He actually first started beginning to investigate Sasquatch sightings and tracks back in 1957 after meeting René DeHendon. And the two of them kind of collaborated together. I think Green's best known for, he's authored, I think, several Sasquatch books. But, yeah, I think Apes Among Us is probably the most popular.

In the interview, he goes through, and I would say he answers probably 95% of all the questions people still ask today. And he's very direct, and he's very to the point. And it makes sense. For me, when I listen to it, it just made sense. I was like, you know what, he's right. I mean, there's nothing that he said that I couldn't really argue with. Most people think, and I've had people So much more to...

I would agree with you. Let me play this interview with John Green, and then we can discuss it. I have a few encounters for you guys. I won't keep you guys too long tonight, because, like I said, I'm finding this cold, and I feel like it could be a dog, so... You know, these footprints are real.

Something has to make. What do you think that's something is? What do you think? Something makes you like footprints, which accounts for... Take the simpler explanation. But that is just being paved over, yeah. and that thing is real.

Be his hunting partner and tried to talk to him. She wrote was only a few feet behind it. We'll assume. And since you couldn't get a machine in there, there's a simple like such an animal and it's never been found dead. We don't even have a bone. For years, we've been expecting something

were confirmed or eliminated any of the three within minutes with a comparison microscope, but he had ground up all the sample. He was an immune reaction expert, not a hair expert and it didn't occur to one that he needed to keep any. Then gorillas and chimpanzees are uniformly black. One hair at a time, the same animal made that. One of these things had gone.

In Northern California, well, you know, the number of brown chimpanzees and gorillas that go through the brush in Northern California is quite minimal. What's you... I mean... 100% of the stories are wrong. If there is an animal, then there's no reason to question. in that the vast majority of them are just the same category as people who say they saw a bear.

They did see one. So you've got a great deal of information, even though there's very little information in most sightings, they just saw something run across the road is the common one. But nevertheless, out of these thousands of reports, a great deal of information about what these things do, and of course about their physical characteristics. What's their typical connection with people then? Well, let me finish what we're dealing with.

All of this indicates a creature whose adaptions are totally physical. It's enormous, it's tremendously strong, it has a full coat of hair. It swims very well, even underwater, run faster than almost any other animal. can run down deer. It has never had any pressure to survive on its mental abilities. It lives very much the life of a bear. This is the exact opposite of the story of the evolution of humans. The fact that both species have ended up walking upright

is the only reason why we relate them to humans more than we do other creatures. There's nothing you can argue against what John had to say. I mean, he was right on the money. Yeah, and I like how he's just, he puts it in simple man's terms, you know. You know, as a matter of fact, he's very factual. Either it is or it isn't. And I really enjoyed the interview. And you know, like what he said, he said, you know, how many stories real and fake.

When he was talking about shooting, he said if you did it in your scope. I knew you were going to ask that. I was going to ask that, but I didn't know if I should. Yeah, it is a good question. I think it's a question that a lot of people have, you know, and a lot of people have different ideas about it. I personally think it's going to be, I'm for it. You know, I think it's going to be one of the only ways that we're going to have definitive proof, kind of like what John said. Yeah, and, you know, those guys had thought this question out over and over and over 40, 50 years ago.

And it was... I'll come backwards a little bit, but as far as the tranquilizing, Woody and I have talked about that in the past, and tranquilizing. A lot of people don't understand. They think you just put a gun, you shoot it, and the animal goes down. But, you know, like you said, well, if you get the weight wrong, either you're going to kill it or you're going to piss it off. Yeah, and it's a very fine range.

Yeah, if you piss it off, you're going to have to shoot it anyway. Exactly, so what's the point? Right. And you could end up being killed in the process or somebody with you. Yeah, I thought he was pretty straightforward and to the point, like what he says, he's very direct and he's very kind of dumps it down to the conversation was to the lowest common

denominator, you know what I mean? I like that about him. Yeah, no, John did it as always. And you know the people that get upset about killing one, I'm going to go off on my tangent, I promise you guys I wouldn't if I'm going to go off on a tangent. Go right ahead.

Yeah, what do you? You might want to filter me out a little bit on this, but the people who get upset I've noticed. You know, obviously Woody and are kind of new to the community.

I mean, we've only been in this for just over a year or so. The people who get upset about shooting one are the same people who will post on Facebook don't kill them, you know, no kill policy,

and then the next day they have the audacity to put a picture up of an empty plate and tell you a Sasquatch ate the cookies the night before. And if you're so upset about someone

that actually wanting to prove the existence, People, when you say killing one, we're not talking about slaughtering all of them. It's kind of like one and done, you know what I mean? And so the people who get upset about it are the people who talk about telepathy, talk about, you know, they go out to their spot every week. You know, like this lady I talked about in the beginning, like what he says, you know, a vacation, she goes and sees her Squatch Man every, you know, once a year. But they don't, if you're so against shooting one, get a video camera. and start shooting some footage of these things

and put it out there for people to see. And I think you'll start to see people back off from the attitude, hey, we've got to shoot one and bring it in. If people start putting out all this footage for people to see, I think you'd see a lot of the talk of shooting one. People would back off of it. The same people who are so upset about shooting one, they don't provide anything.

It's like the guy out, what is it, Sasquatch Canada or what's it called? Yeah, I know what you're trying to say. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I can't think of it even. The guy that got him on audio, like burping, like burping the alphabet and, you know,

it's saying flower and Mike and, you know what, if you get them burping the alphabet and you get them out there saying your name and you're teaching them language, hey, how about shooting a video of them? You know what I mean? Yeah, it's too convenient to say they have that relationship.

but but they they end up and I think I think maybe too some of the people out there that are so against the shooting part of it or taking one down

and shooting or killing one I think a lot of them maybe think that Bigfoot has more more human characteristics than it does ape and you hear John even saying in that interview he's like

no it's it's its own thing it's its own animal and I agree with that you know and maybe that maybe that's why some people are so against it because they think that there was more human characteristics to it than ape-like or animal-like. And according to John, he was talking about the way it walks and stuff like that.

And the only thing that humans have, according to him, that is, I'm trying to say, that is within the same characteristics is we're bipedal animals or bipedal. Well, you know, the construction is more about us than about shooting a Sasquatch. it's like I've mentioned on the previous shows about, you know, I mean, I can kind of understand where people are coming from based on whatever they believe, but, you know, my belief is let's get one and get this thing resolved. No, I totally agree. I can see where people are coming from, too, and just, you know, different...

I'll tell you why people are upset, and this was tangent number two. So, Woody, get your filter button ready. I'll tell you why people get upset. If one were shot tomorrow, it'd be a little hard to explain all the leper, power that people say that they have. And I think a lot of the attention that people are getting from all these stories about telepathy and Bigfoot rape me mentally and I go and hang out with Bigfoot once a year and, you know, out of the vacation home and, you know, vacation cave, all those stories would go away and all the attention

would go away. I think that's where people don't want one brought in. I think that's the hidden agenda, you know, People will come out and say, well, you know, we don't want one shot because they're people and blah, blah, blah, but I think at the end of the day, I think a lot of people realize, hey, if we brought one in, it'd be a little hard to explain all these leprechaun powers I said they had, and I've been telling people for years, and now I'm going to look like an idiot. Yeah, no, you're exactly right. All of people that jump on the bandwagon with... And you can send me your hate mail at William Jevening at yahoo.com. That's all right. They can send whatever they want to me.

what I know. Throw me under the bus there. You can send all your disgruntled email there. We'll read it and address it. That's right. I was trained by Renee DeHendon, so I can read. You know, one thing I did get out of his interview, West, and it kind of went back to our encounter, you know, when we saw the ones that we saw.

And the whole knee thing, you know, him explaining the different how they use, you know, the front foot to pull themselves and how the weights is distributed. And I thought that was really interesting because that's one of the things that I noticed other than the size of the big foot that we saw, the big foot that we saw, or saskatches. That's the first time I've heard someone actually put it in such a simple term to where I could really understand on why I was seeing, when I looked at the knees on it and why it was looking the way that it did. So I like that part of it too.

I like the whole interview, to be honest with you. It was really great. I picked up on that, too, when he said, talking about how when it walks forward, it actually pulls itself instead of like how we do. You know, we kind of get the momentum going forward. Yeah, well, that seems like walking us. And that probably explains, you know, I'm sure there, among many other things, but explains how they move so smoothly, how they move so, you know, it's so quick and so smooth.

Yeah, they're better designed than we are at walking bipedally. Yeah. No, I enjoyed that. The other thing I picked up on, and I know we've been doing it in the show, a lot of people don't realize it, but with encounters, we talk about behavior, and John Green talked about you can actually get a lot of information from a really good encounter. And that's another thing I really appreciated. Absolutely.

And that's what I said before about where people, you know, these people... I like how you said in there, you know, we don't really know the sounds that they make because no one's actually recorded one making a sound, but they are probably making these sounds. And I think that's the best way to describe. I know we did the Satskwatch sound last week, and I think that's a really good way to describe it. And, you know, it's even with things like foot for good national geography. And that's what we need, you know. I think a lot of people would back off of the shooting if people start producing.

If your buddies with them and you're out there burping the alphabet, you know, where you've got a vacation cave, snap a few pegs. That's right. Email to your buddies, you know. Yeah. Summer was watch. I'll tell you what, guys, I know we're getting down on time, but I wanted to, I had two encounters for you guys to listen to, and they're pretty short. The first encounter is a 72-year-old lady describing an encounter that she had back when she was, I believe when she was 12, if you get a chance to listen to the behavior of her parents as she's describing this encounter. I kind of get the impression her parents know a little bit more than what they were leading on to.

But take a list on this encounter. Tell me what you guys think of this. Well, this happened many years ago when I was a little girl in Southern Illinois. How old are you? I was approximately 12 years old. And there was always black bear. I was probably close to the house. Started picking berries.

The more further we went, the further we got up towards this bluff. And everything was that. Kept picking berries and having fun that somewhere with my mom. On up the hill we went, slowly up to hill, getting berries, berries. I said then, I said, Mom, you think we got enough berries? No, she said, let's get a few more. So we got a few more berries. Of the hill where the trees and stuff started and all that,

really deep into the wood. We put pick and berry. I already saw it before. And then there were time we'd take their step out here that's crunch and the leaf. Mom, do you hear that? She said, oh, I said, the rabbits and squirrels and stuff. She said up here that she said keep going. She says, no.

The one thing I will say the story has gone for it is it was simple. It was a simple story. It was magic going on. There was no, it was very simple. You know, they saw what they saw, and that's what she had to say. I don't know, you know, it was a good, it sounds like a decent encounter to me. Do you guys get the impression her parents knew more than what they were leading on? Like her mother said, don't look bad.

You know, like they had seen it before. Yeah. Yeah, it made me think that her parents. Go ahead. That's kind of what I thought, too, when they were up there picking berries, you know, she's like, don't turn around, just keep walking, just keep walking. And it was almost like, you know, she's seen it before, but, uh-oh, you know. I have my kids out here with me, so let's just be cool. I like the story.

I like simple stories. I don't like a whole bunch of stuff that sounds like, you know, it didn't sound like she was making stuff up as she went along to make the story sound better. Right, I agree. You know, I liked it. The last encounter got for you guys is a hunter recounting his, he's sitting up in a deer stand,

and he actually sees one of these creatures. The one thing about the story is this guy sounds like Woody after our encounter. and I thought Woody was just insane, but this guy... Wow. Yeah. No, I mean, this guy's attitude on the whole thing. Take a listen to this. Tell me what you guys think of this.

My first thought was, old, naked, hairy, gray, silvers-looking old man in these woods. And as I took a second look, I knew what I was, to my two-clock position, maybe 40, 50 yards away. I heard a stick break or snap. I wasn't sure if something snapped a twig or stepped on it or whatever. I looked over and I said, you know, let me reach back here and find my safety belt again to bring it around and snap it because that might be a deer coming up through that tree line there. So I'm trying to get my safety belt. I couldn't get it right, you know, and all of a sudden I heard something else. And I look up again, and there that thing was standing there.

That's when I knew whatever I was looking at was real because you can see the muscles flexion. You can see the skin underneath the hair. There's no way I could have been hoaxed or fake. I know what that thing was was real. And that thing, and when it disappeared, I was actually standing up, and my legs were vibrating and shaking because of adrenaline. I don't know. I was just, I'm not going to be, I'm not going to kid you or anything.

I was scared to death. I was so scared that this thing was probably watching me at that point. I didn't know behind me, you know. So once I made it to my video, vehicle. I jumped in the driver's seat. I locked the doors and I just sat there. And at that point in my life, I didn't have a cell phone in in 92, but it hit me so hard. I wanted to call the president. I wanted to call my mom and dad and say it's real. Oh my God, it's real. I saw it, you know? I would even love to go out any time. I go out there with, I don't even go out there

with it on the woods with a flashlight. So I'll drive, you know, I'll mount night vision cameras, monitor inside and I'll pull over and park and sit there for hours at a time with my windows rolled up. If I get to see it again, I'm hoping to look at it. I hope I'm not to be scared like I was the first time. You know, you can't prepare for anything in life. You really can't prepare at the 100% level for anything because anything can go wrong. You can be 1% off in the good or in the bad. So if I do have another sighting, I don't know if I'm going to be that.

scared again. I don't think I will, but I want to look at it differently. I just, I want to, it'd be so great one day to have a really close encounter in a nice way. They're pretty big creatures, I'll tell you. Did I really sound like that? I did, did. I know I did. Yeah. Yeah, he did. It's funny, well, because right at, shortly after we had her encounter, I was ready to go right back out there. And Wes was like, are you freaking crazy? We're going back out there. So that's where the whole insane thing came from. I got that, yeah, I got that. I think everybody has their own opinion at your own view.

Yeah, I guess you can't help but want to go. It's like, you know, after I had... It's funny because right after it happened, I couldn't really talk West into going. I think he's going back out there again and tried to, you know, to have another encounter. And I think he's changed his mind since then. But, man, I could have went out there with a tank

and he still West still wouldn't have gone if we were in a tank, you know. It's true. I can understand that. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, now he's talking about going on, a Jeep Wrangler, so, you know. Yeah. I think he changed his mind a little bit now. Yeah.

Well, it's such a shell shock when you see one, or, you know, like an R-en counter. I mean, there's nothing that prepares you for that. You can't prepare. You could sit and research all you want for 20 years and know what you're dealing or, you know, have a somewhat of an idea of what you're dealing with. but when you actually see one, I mean, there's no way to prepare for that. I wasn't prepared.

A lot of these research, you know, most of them. Yeah, I wasn't prepared for the size. The size of them. It's definitely a shock on the system. Yeah. And it's really too bad. There'll never be another. Yeah, those guys,

those are some pretty big shoes to fill, though. Especially Renee, like I said, I didn't realize he was such, you know, larger-than-life character. I mean, that guy is hilarious. Yeah, we'll have to talk about him on one of the shows. He, uh... I wish the audio was,

better when he was tearing apart Grovercrans. I mean, I must have looked to see what else I can find with him. Yeah, I must have busted up laughing like five or six times during the whole thing. And you know, knowing him personally for so many years, he was like that. You couldn't help but said he would have

told some pretty cool. Friends were like at the end, after he was finished telling him, he was... Yeah, he was hilarious. Absolutely. We're going to have to do that in 2014, you know, and I know, Will, I know Westville's the same way. We really appreciate you sharing all your your knowledge and your information with him and I, and I said before you've taken us kind of under

your wing, I mean, we talk on the air off the air, but, you know, I wish we could talk more off the air, you know, just on a personal basis, but we're busy. You know, I'm really looking forward to you either coming this way or us coming to see you and going out and spending a few days out in the woods and, you know, boots on the ground and seeing what we can find. I can't wait until that day. So I just wanted to tell you, thank you, and I know West feels the same way. So, We appreciate you, too, guys. Yeah, we've learned.

I know Wes and I both, we've learned a lot from you, and every time I talk to you, I, you know, it's, like I said, West said earlier, we're new to this, and, you know, we've just recently became fully involved in it, and I've learned something every time I talk to you. So, you know, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, no, absolutely. Absolutely. I think our ratings would go through the roof.

If we, uh, if we, uh, if we, uh, have, uh, have. a lot of the stuff we said off the air, we actually said on the air. Probably so. I think it would too. Yeah. If people only knew. That's what we do.

We do a show sometimes, you know, the behind-the-scenes cuts. Yeah. Kind of like the bloopers, the bloopers of Sasquatch Chronicles. That would be funny when it. Yeah, just take bits and pieces of certain things that are said and play them.

Oh, my God, people will come on cork. You know, we should probably do something like that. That would be great. Maybe we'll leave the part out, we'll call people douchebags, but, you know, I don't know. Some of them are these bags. Jeremy, I got no greater pleasure than actually saying something to somebody's face that I was thinking, you know, and just looking at their reaction.

Oh, that's hilarious. It's always very kind. They said I asked him what the prognosis was. an incurable mental disease. Yeah, yeah, he did. It's like I was telling you before the show started, I mean, he just railed into Krantz. He spent like an hour and a half just railing into him.

I mean, he was harsh, but he was fair. Like I said, someone in the audience said, oh, Walt Grover Krantz was a hoaxer, and to him, I mean, he just spent the last hour and a half verbally raping this guy, and he stopped and said, you know what, he's not a hoaxer. He didn't believe

You ever see a picture of crants? He had this big mole between his eyes. Yeah. And Renee and I were sitting talking one time. And I said, Renee used to very seriously. He'd say, you know, I'm sure that Grover's a very nice guy. He says, when he opened his mouth to speak, someone should run up. It's an easy button.

Yeah. Oh, man. Well, I'm going to go take some NyQuil boys. I'm dying here. Get some rest and drink clouds of fluids. Yeah, I will. Well, that doesn't mean beer. Well, they are fluids, you know, and that is considered a food.

It's protein. Protein. That's right. It's protein. All right, guys. Well, you guys, well, Wes, I know I'll talk to you. Will. I probably talk to you, too. But if I don't, you guys have a good Christmas. It's nice talking to you guys.

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