Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:80 Southern Sasquatch Encounters

Episode Date: February 16, 2015

Tonight we speak to Pat from Oklahoma who had a couple of encounters back in the 1960s and describes what he came across. We also speak to Melissa from South Carolina who has been investigating a property that has a lot of activity. She also describes some strange encounters with the police department regarding Sasquatch.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one of that damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

The look it was given me. What were you put in? Get somebody out. It's just about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right at him. Sasquatch Chronicle, a place where people share their accounts. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone.

I want to thank everyone for joining us tonight. If you get a chance, please visit us at Sasquatch Chronicles.com for all of your Bigfoot information. We have blogs. We have uncut audio. We have a lot of other things coming down the pipeline. Now, I know we have a big trip planned. I don't want to say a whole lot,

not to be a jerk to the audience, but you'll understand why when the trip is over. But we have a big trip planned that we're going to be doing, and we're hoping to come back with a lot of supporting evidence, a lot of content to share with everyone. So look for that around mid-March, maybe mid to the end of March. Our first guest tonight is we'll be talking with Pat, and Pat's kind of new to the Sasquatch world in the sense of the community, A lot of his encounters happened back when he was a kid back in the 60s.

And I wanted to bring Pat on tonight to share some of those encounters with us. So, Pat, welcome to the show. Hi, Pat. How are you this evening? Oh, pretty good. Pretty good. Now, I understand you had your encounter back in the 60s right about what time was that. I'd say, well, I was thinking about it a whole ago.

And somewhere before or after 65, but you can pretty much. which I'd say around 65. Okay. There wasn't a lot of information out about the topic at that time. So what were you doing the day that your encounter happened? Just tell us kind of what you were doing and how this all unfolded. Well, actually, there are three different events. The first one was that me and my brother and a couple of buddies was,

about them, we lived in a house kind of up on a hill, halfway down a hill, the road went, the gravel road went through there. And then there was a thicket crossed the road and down there, if you go down about another hundred yards or the kind of a creek running through there, and we kind of got back to that thicket right there. It was kind of being boys down there camping in the thicket, you know.

And before that, went to town and got so much of goodies. and I thought we'd get them up out of the whatever we didn't eat. We'd have to hang it from a bag and hang it from the trees and to keep the critters out of it. You know, you've got possums and coon and all kinds of stuff around down there. Sure.

So we put the, put it up out on probably 12, 13 feet. It wasn't no catastrophic. We'd want to be able to get it back down. I was crying that loud. So anyway, we was out of camp for that night, you know, and was all sitting around there, you know, the board stuff and then we had

a big old long nose collie kind of like Lassie and we'll call him a king and we had a child dog named Boston these two dogs got really freaked out and Boston was on, he broke his chain and took off we couldn't figure out what the heck was

both of those two girls were high tailing at home with her tail to clean her legs and we couldn't figure out what was going on and that smell of It's a dank smell. I can't really put a lid on it. It's kind of crossed between a wet dog and feces, I record.

But that smell came, and we can see from a campfire, we can see the kind of the shape of this thing standing in the bush right there. I don't know. We probably ran, I don't know, 20 feet away. We decided it was time to motivate and get to sand the hill out of there, so we did.

So we all took off up there My brother and one of the naval boys up there and two other guys We all took off one up to my place I reckon this thing saw us going and tracked our world house To make sure we was out of the area I don't know Whatever the case is We came back down there the next day

And that stuff was gone from that sack From up there that was The sack was tore up them off the doggone Rope we was using you know what I mean? Yeah, let me ask, what was it old leather game back to what it was. Right. Let me ask you a question.

When you saw the outline of the shadow, what was your impression of what it was? Spooky. I mean, was it, was it? I mean, did it look like an animal or a man shape or? It looked like some big dude's center. You know, the little kid, and this thing is humongous. Okay. You know, okay.

And I was a little kid. I couldn't have been a little, I don't know, 12, 13 years old, maybe, you're not that old. Okay, so, I'm 60 down. Did it follow you back to your house? Well, not immediately, no. Now, that was the first encounter. All right. Don't get too far ahead.

The second time, me, a buddy, man's other buddy mine was walking back up from Keith or Oklahoma. That's where we lived at that time. But that same dirt road, and across the road, on my side of the road from that thicket was that I was telling you about, you've got a picture of that. We've got right across the road from where all that took place. There was a pond up in the open up there was somebody that feed cattle, a feed watered catalypt in there. Go on behold, we looked over and there that sucker was sitting over drinking out of that pond. It wasn't like a human. You know, human would get down there and use his hand to his man.

house. You know, let's see. We had his face down in there in it. And it was big. Me and my buddy got freaked out and say the least we put on running up toward my house. And he was always a bearer running Iowa. He smoked my ass in a minute. Sorry.

No problem. But we took off back up to my house and into that story. I understand? Sure. One night. One night in mama. My mama was out there in the backyard. and, well, like I said, we had collie dogs.

We had three of them, actually. Honey King, the Wiggel was our watchdog. She took care of business. She was all business. But we was after walking in the backyard, and they were in the backyard. The cars used to come up left or right, or these two cedar trees. You kind of use it as a turnaround, as it were. And these two cedar trees, and Mom was sat there, I came out the back door,

and I looked over at the mom, and she said her staring at the water of them cedar trees. and Whig was, I don't know what happened to the other two calls, they weren't know where to be found, but Whig was right there at Mama's feet, whimper, and she never does that. I looked up there, but I walked up behind her, and I'll see where she's looking, look, and there that sucker stood right behind it,

that them cedar tree. That's where I got the feelings about, I don't know, 12 foot, 13 foot tall. Had to be behind that cedar, because you could see the outline around that cedar. Same identical outlaws. a scene down in the bush. I'm kind of thinking

we're looking at the same animal. We saw the same animal three times. A couple months later, baby. I was after trapes around in the woods. During the daylight,

I'm going down in the bush one night. During the daylight, that's seen some places there was a big old tall hog growing up with jaws and grass.

You know what I'm talking about the white black jocles and grass? Right, right. And these stuff had been laid over. I mean, it looked like

a really good place to lay down. And that's what it looked like. Something had been laying there. there's actually a spot it looked like two of them had been laying there maybe the same one in different times but I kind of got a feeling it was all the same critter but I don't know but then and then all this stuff came like that ledge at the bogeet creek came out and all that

and then the Patterson footage came out and then me and my brother kind of looks at each other and goes oh hell yeah I was just wondering when that first dawned on you that that's what these creatures were you were seeing good Lord that wasn't until the 70s when that Patterson footage came out wouldn't be my brother wouldn't see you seen that. Right. You know, the legend of the creek was playing on there then and all that. And that started getting the big time, you know, I got to think, well, we did it on

the little time. Did you ever hear anybody that lived in the area to talk about seeing things like this? No. No. Or do you think that's something? Back then it was pretty old. It was pretty, I don't know, there wasn't many folks living in. there at that time.

Do you think people would have kept quiet about it anyway? Yeah, I do. I did. How about people having animals come up missing? Did you hear anything like that? There's another part of story, too. That's story three, I've got to tell you. Okay.

There's another part of that. We were electricians for years. We wired houses, buildings, whatnot. And Mama made Daddy go out there and put 120-volt light bulbs all through the trees and around the east of the house, floodlights and stuff around the house because of this thing.

We had chickens, we had gardens, we had all kinds of stuff out there. We raised pigs and stuff like that. We didn't have nothing to come up, but that really didn't put those animals, a lot of those. We had the chickens then. We didn't have the stuff,

so there wasn't anything covered up missing that was negligible, you know. Right. But there was other folks around there that raised some chickens and stuff, but, you know, an animal gets out and gets away all the time, especially being hogs. Now we have an epidemic of hogs, old Sasquatch got a lot to eat out here now. Oh, sure, yeah. You know, but this is all 20, 30 minutes from downtown Tulsa, at least 30 minutes from downtown Tulsa.

I used to work in Tulsa, but it took me 30 minutes ago to work everybody. I wanted to ask you, the one he saw drinking out of the water, can he kind of describe what you saw and not only describe what he saw, but we kind of described what was going through your mind when he saw it? You try to keep language clean? What is that? We looked at each other and goes, somebody sitting there taking a dump,

and he said, that thing's covered with hair, man. We looked at each other and said, let's go. And, you know, now that I know what that thing is more about that thing could have run us down and kill both of us just as easy as not, but it didn't. It never did hurt anybody. And I am totally enthusiastic about this whole operation. I really am. Yeah, so I'd imagine when you looked at it, maybe you thought it was a bear at first and then realized it wasn't a bear. Well, this is Oklahoma.

This part of Oklahoma, there is an old bear. You've got to go down around Wilburton. and, well, Bogey Creek area to get that. It is not up here. This is pretty much plains area. Oh, I got you.

I didn't know that. Yeah, this is, well, that was Creek Town, and if you want to look up the Osage, the Osage is really grassy land. They run a lot of cattle out there. I mean, you know, I've seen weird stuff

in my time, but nothing ever came to that. I've been all right in this world and never see anything like that. Let me ask you something. I want to clarify something. I think I missed part of it. When you said it was drinking water, did it have its face down with the water drinking or was it drinking water?

Yeah, it was like, yeah, just like, you don't have a horse branch out of water. He puts you his face down again. Yeah. That's how this thing was drinking. Okay. Got a four-point stance leading over drinking. How far is this from the Buggy Creek area by chance?

Oh, good Lord. Bogie Creek is, uh, that's a little over time. area, that's Louisiana, but I got the God Almighty me, working northeast are in Oklahoma and that's way down in southeast Oklahoma, okay,

that's the whole way to the other edge of the state. Okay, I was just curious. Well, they call us green country, I reckon, because they're the only part of, this is a part of the Oklahoma's got a lot of trees, the rest of it's open, but I can see how this thing can move around in there because down in the valleys It's what the water is at where the trees are. Yeah, they've got a lot of cover.

Really? Yeah. I don't know. I hope nobody hurts one. But if they come up with some hard evidence, you know, I always say one thing on to your show. People get sent to prison every day on circumstantial evidence. They get sent prison for hearsay evidence.

How is the Sam Hill in the scientific community denied that these things exist and say that they're a myth because the fact of all eyewitness accounts and forensic evidence that's been presented thus far a judge and a jury would say yes well you're exactly right and that's that's the question that's been asked over the years periodically and yet it still gets ignored actually there's a there's in feller grant you know something kind of a cover-up going all and whatnot then they're they're welcome possible will be, you know. And it doesn't help.

Yeah, and it doesn't help with the silly shows that are out there and the way the subject is portrayed, you know, on both radio and television. It's like the producers, whoever produce shows, you know, they don't believe it's real and they don't want to portray it that way. Exactly. You know, like Tom Bosley used to say, that's Hollywood. Yeah, right. You know.

You've got to take it. with a grain of salt or two because, you know, you've got some guys sitting up there saying that ain't true that never spend the day out in the woods or the night out in the woods by themselves or ever in their life. You're absolutely correct. And they don't have a clue what's out there. Let me ask you a question.

Now, you've become involved in looking for these things now, is that right? I've got more involved with them in my life. Let's put it that way. The animal needs to be protected. It needs to be acknowledged and protected. It's a very rare, it's a very, very rare and delicate species situation. These animals are one of the few last wonders of this world to us. One of God's gift to us is one of the wonders of the world.

And, you know, they're all over, every continent of this whole planet. They're everywhere. And, you know, they want to call them the Interthal, and whatever, I don't care. We know them in, we know them as South Park, we know them as the parliament, the Indians got a hundred words for them. In Australia, they call yally's.

But, you know, the bounds of Tibet are called yannies. Yeah, I don't think there, I don't think there is endangered as people think out there, Pat. And again, I'm just speculating. I mean, I don't know. Like I said, I don't have, like accurate numbers I can present to the audience.

but I don't think they're as endangered and as rare as people think. You know, for all of the people who have seen one, let's say one out of ten comes forward, that means a lot more people are seeing these things. That's a lot of people seeing these things a lot. And recently we've had a lot of cops come forward that get called out on World 911 calls. And when they go out to these, you know,

they're going out for prowler calls. or they're going out for some sort of disturbance calls. And when they get out there, like we had one lady on the show, I'm sorry, we had one police officer on the show, and he said that he went out on a prowler call, and he didn't believe in any of this. And when he went out there, you know, in his mind right off the bat, this crazy old woman comes out and starts complaining about a gorilla banging on her house.

And he's like, okay, yeah, okay, a gorilla's banging on her house, okay. And this is in Mississippi. He's like, well, I'll take a look around. You know, and he was kind of irritated. He had to go look around thinking this is just some crazy old woman. And the more he looked around, the more he realized that she was actually telling the truth, that there was something banging on her house. Whatever was banging on her house was very large.

And he kind of understood why she said gorilla because of how big it was and some of the evidence that he had collected while he was out there. but I don't think there is rare as people think. They're rare in daytime. You know, there's folks out there that says, well, back down, they don't have night vision. Well, you know, animals adapt to their environment, and they adapt to their environment.

Now, these things got night vision. That's the bottom line. Yes, we do. From what I've been told, he was scared of hell out on with a flashlight. Lord, I apologize. But you were scared the heck out of them with a flashlight because you're blinding them, actually.

Now, I've got a buddy mine. Actually, from one of the same thing that guy was walking down the road with him to see him at one drink in a pond. He told me just the other day, because we're still buddies. He told me just the other day that he knew, he knows some people down here around Lake Ten killers in Oklahoma. He said their dog at night time, and they would go out there and see the dog at night.

I mean, they kept watching. They put a bunch of dogs to it out there, and this dog losing weight. They couldn't figure out, well, the town hell's going on here. Well, we changed the seating schedule. They brought him, took them in the garage. It was feeding them in the garage instead of feeding them outside at night. Well, it went on a couple nights, and one night to study. Dang on us and always came out of the backyard,

and he was in the trash. It was at their trash cans. They had, you know, in the city of all the type of trash cans, the woods are on any crap. They went up there and they looked like the big show had been hitting guys with them. And he said that they made a bunch of rack with the trash can lid and the trash cans. Because it was pissed off because they stopped eating. Yeah, we've heard that a few times.

Oh, have you? You know, I've always stopped talking to myself, well, why don't we befriend these animals? and in a person if you get into feeding it's like feeding an alligator. They're all right as long as you feed them. You should stop feeding it. I'm kind of wondering about that because I'm not going to say that'll hurt, but they don't really make their presence known.

I think feeding you. You stop feeding the pit bull. He's going to get the red ass at you. He's going to get mad at you. You know what I mean? I have a pit bull. I think that pit bulls are pretty sweet. sweet animals.

I don't want to understand me. It was an analogy. Yeah. No, no. And I understand. I think that with these things, it's a wild animal. I don't think that you can befriend them like a lot of people. And that's the problem with the subject, to be honest with you, Pat, is there's so much mudding of the waters.

There's so much. I was just listening. Yeah, I was just listening to an interview. I won't mention the podcast. I don't want people to think I'm slamming them. I actually like the podcast, but they had this late. What do you say in there, Wes? Well, they had this lady on, and she was just going on and on and on about feeding them pancakes.

She knew him by first name. And she just sounds like a lonely old woman is what she sounds like. She just sounds like a very lonely old woman. And the little ones come in her house and they attract. mud through her house and the hosts were kind enough not to go well i think we think you're crazy but i mean she just went on and on and on and on and it's like one story after another after another and a lot of these people tend to contradict themselves a lot too because they'll go on and on and tell you these are our forest brothers and then she tells the story about her horse

being raped by one of these Sasquatches and carrying off it's as much about human psychology as anything on this business. That's funny, right? I'm going to hear you are. Oh, it was hilarious. I guess I'll say

it. I like, and I'll say this before I say the show. It's Sasquatch Watch Radio. And I actually like Billy Willard and I like the creature seeker. The guy's name, I forget what his name is, but he goes by Creature Seeker. Yeah, Bruce, that's what is.

I can listen to the pancakes and the muddy feet when it comes to raping the horse, I'd be done. Well, the funny thing is that she was going on, kept going on and on. They carried off some of her cows. She was saying they like beer, but they don't like this kind of beer, but they like that kind of beer. And I think it was the, Bruce, the creature seeker. He goes, nothing worse than a Sasquatch that. has a brand preference. I don't think you want.

If you want to take the first of a champion. I almost, I was going to ask, I was going to ask Billy if I could play that on our show. It was the funniest. Yeah, I'll have to ask him. But it was the funniest thing of it. But, you know, and I say that because there's so much of, You can separate really quick, Pat, when someone's had a legitimate encounter like yourself

or like Will or like me, and then mental illness. And for whatever reason, the subject breeds a lot of mental illness. A lot of lonely old women will tell you on and on about how they know my first names and we'll go on to these fantastic tales about how they're best friends. And she had to get up at 1 o'clock in the morning to feed them pancakes because they really, really like pancakes. I might put this on you a little bit, partner. Just think of it this way.

If she had an encounter of some kind, let's not be Roger that, okay? If she had an encounter of some kind, if she has dementia or something like that, she might have dreamed the rest of it up. But she might have actually had a real encounter of some kind. Oh, absolutely. Well, and I agree. People will and tell us around that. Yeah, and Will's right.

My mama had dementia in Alzheimer, she died from it. well this lady didn't have dementia i think she had a mental illness like a real mental illness but she uh you're and will's will's right and what he's saying you know a lot of times with these people you know i've said it about a lot of people a lot of these so-called hoaxers out there uh i think at one time they probably did have a legitimate encounter you know they they had they see something they couldn't explain to it yeah i'll give you a quick example. When I was in the Columbia River Gorge back in the 90s, Renee DeHendon sent me. He got a phone call up in British Columbia, and since I

lived there, he sent me out on this sighting. When we got there, I talked to the lady of the house and she walked us out and it all sounded legitimate at first. And she sat down under this apple tree. They had a small orchard. And she says, oh, if you sit here long enough, you can see the footprints, look, they're materializing now and they were, you know, these three feet long and two feet. I turned beat red and one of my people kind of escorted me away. Oh, man.

But what happened, see, they were having a graduation party for a group of teenagers. And her son and a couple of his friends actually did. They kind of snuck away from the party to talk. And they did encounter one of these creatures. So it was the young people that saw it. And there were tracks down near the Columbia River, the whole works. and I think the mother just sort of you know went out there

in the back 40 in her mind somewhere and started dreaming of stuff up there's a young people scenario again saying it's all that racket at them kids is drawing their attention that's my opinion you got to the professionals I'm not this particular place

is where they make the muscle roared make a much hoop raw down here yeah I'm sure I'm sure that plays a role in this, but that particular account was a location along the Columbia where these things are known to swim back and forth between Oregon and Washington, but yeah,

I'm sorry, I wasn't, I wasn't trying to be a heckering. Oh no, you're right. No, you're right, because you know, that does happen periodically and I think there is something to that noise effect drawing their curiosity that may not to be. This

animal is so special and it means a lot to my heart because that's probably the prior was that it was join the Army with post-traumatic stress disorder from it. It was, it's been, I want to appreciate to tell you guys, I thank you for this opportunity because this has really been on my heart for a long time. So we appreciate it, Pat. So this is not something that, you go around the redneck circles I run around in it and talk about, you know.

And finally found somebody that understands what's going. and puts logic to it and puts research and money behind it, you know, and that means the world for me. I can't explain it. Oh, we appreciate that. I wanted to ask you a question before. Will wraps it up, but I wanted to ask you, did you, growing up, did you ever hear any strange vocals?

Because Pat, I'm sure you're pretty well aware of all the different animals out there running around, the different noises they make. anytime when you were out, did you ever stop and go, I'm not sure what that was. No, but I tell you what I did here, nothing. Nothing here around. It's very dead quiet. Very quiet.

I remember that because we was, that is one thing that stayed in my mind through this whole thing. It's how quiet it was. Yeah, that's a pretty common element. And the smell of it, the smell, it, smell. You know, I've, I've, I've, I've, a little soda, his old biker, and I have a road to that smell on motorcycle.

You know, I'll take it down all around. I don't know. Arkansas, Missouri, you know. What kind of a smell did you smell? It's a dank, musky, crap smell for it. It's hard for me, it's really hard to put a finger on it.

It's funky. I can't pay that. But, because that guy, that not me and ma'am. After in the backyard, the north wind was blowing. It was cutting right across where we were standing. We were down on the wind from this thing.

Oh, man. And, you know, the closest place I've ever got around humans that ever got that ever got that smell was the primate building at Tulsa State Zoo or Tulsa City Zoo. It's the only place where it gets close enough. And I worked with the City of Tulsa for 22 years. and I welded, done all kinds of welding in that zoo. I've worked at a district two out of park system out of the Lake Yohol. And I've got a few jobs to do there, so I could primate. I had to repair some bars, you know, that kind of thing.

But the only closest thing I could ever get, that it was anywhere near that it was a primate building. That's pretty common, Pat. We've heard that a lot with, the odor. It's not in every encounter, but the ones that do talk about the odor. Yeah, he's pretty

close to what other people have said. But there ain't no way in hell. Anybody who's sitting there and telling me that these things don't exist, I'll get down rationing the dirt with them. You hear me? I'll rassling and dirt with them. They're talking to their damn liar to their face.

Because they don't have a... You've got to say that shit, like I said before, those guys. They've never spent the night outside. and the woodbutter to sell that not ever. They're sitting up there in some that gum cubicle and some lab somewhere making all these cock-eyed-ass remarks that don't mean douglas for the rest of us, you know? I'm sorry, I get to get a little bit on a hillbilly side of it.

No, no worries. That's all right. That's all right. Sounds like stuff I used to do with my brothers and when I get in a fight with them. But no, you're right. I mean, a lot of people who haven't seen them, it makes me laugh because I was just watching, I wish I had the name of the show was watching. And they had this guy come on and he was talking about how he's explaining how it's impossible for Bigfoot to exist. And I guarantee this guy goes to bed at night with his tie on as he's sitting in his.

No kidding. No kidding. It'll be some guys like you or me or will that end up proving it, you know. It'll be guys like us, simple guys that, you know, will end up proving the subject to the rest of the world. But I can't think enough, Pat, for coming on. I can't think enough for sharing and probably. Absolutely. I appreciate it. You bet you. Anytime you need you, you holler, I'll be right here.

Okay, you guys, be careful. I have you good on now here. You too, Pat. So later on, y'all I'm not sure what he said towards the end I'm assuming I just laugh at the

What the hell is Doing what in the dirt I'll get out And just something in the dirt I was a little afraid To ask for clarification On that That might be right up here

Doing the horse I mean shit You know Throw down his corned corned cob pipe and white but the overalls are coming off yeah you know you gotta love southern

southern folk because they're oh he'd be out but he'd kick him the chance to go visit oh my god you know he'd be a blast to hang out with you know you'd love to sit there and have a drink with them and just have them tell stories about the thing I like about Pat

is you know I think he had legitimate encounters I mean he really went I think his worries were fine. I just love the whole southern. You know, that's why I love southern people, because they will give it to you straight. And there's no, yeah, there's no, there's no, there's no, it's right straight at you.

Sugarcoat and anything, man, you're going to get it straight, and you're going to get it. You understand me? Yeah, I had to mute out. I was busting up laughing when you were, Like, well, let me go back. He's like, well, let me finish here, fella. Yeah, I know.

Let me finish. There's more. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, we're just busting your chops, Pat, but we thank you for coming on. And I just love the whole southern. Oh, yeah. I've never met anyone.

That's a great guy. Yeah, I've never met someone from the South I didn't like. It's always something to where. Me too. Yeah, I think I'd just about rather hang out with folks from the South and just about anybody else. Yeah, they're real salt to the earth, you know, and when he was talking about the, he doesn't want one harm. I get that.

I understand when people say that. I have a different opinion. I think one needs to be shot and drug in, and that sounds very cold and very heartless and very calculated, but I just think that's what needs to happen. Well, you know, after all these years, it's not going to be proven until that happens. You know, everybody can put any spending one on this, but realistically, when you get right down to brass tax,

it ain't going to happen until a body comes in. Yeah, it's true. It's completely true. Yeah, it's a cold assessment, you know, shooting one or, you know, bringing a dead body in, but it's a realistic assessment too. As he's talking about the different countries in the world, like with Australia, they have the Yaui's,

India in those areas in Turkey they have like the what is it the Yeti and the Yeti yeah like most yeah they're like most places there's a number of names for them so if you thought this was fake and I was talking to I'll tell you my gas station story here in a second earlier you have to remind me but I was talking to a lady earlier today and she was talking about how you know her daughter doesn't believe in this and her daughter thinks it's all crap and her daughter,

you know, the more you actually start looking into this, if I never had an encounter, and the more I actually looked into this, the more I would stop and go, you know what, there might be something here. There's something going on here. Why does every part of the world talk about, like the Yeti, it's almost like you're talking about Bigfoot

or Sasquatch in the United States? They're talking about the Yowie, which sounds like you're talking about Bigfoot, It sounds like you're talking about the Sasquatch in the United States. You go around to all these different countries, and they all have their own folklore about the same thing, the same description, the same behaviors, the same manners. And you're right. And that's why when I wrote notes in the field, I covered that in the first section because people need to understand. It's not just a localized phenomenon.

It's worldwide. thousands of years. You can go to many, many cultures around the world, and many of them have, and I won't say all because I don't know about all, but many do have their own and it's not just one creature,

like you mentioned Australia. In Australia, they have the Yao Yi, but there's actually two types of them. So it's kind of the same what we've learned here. We have the two major groupings with two subtypes in each, but there's two major groupings here, there's two major

group in zero. Well, to me, that's a little too coincidental for it to be a hoax or just a made-up story. And then you look at the thousands, tens of thousands of stories, just in this country alone, that go back 300 plus years.

If somebody was going to fake that, well, it would be a localized thing and it wouldn't be covering that kind of a time frame. For instance, the articles, we'll talk about in this country alone. Go back to about 1811. and for every single decade without stopping all the way to the present time you can find articles about these incidents.

Yeah, there's just way too much information out there. You know, I mean, yeah, sure, if you're just a, if you're a shallow thinking person and just want to dismiss things because you don't want something to be real, yeah, you can do that. But what you said is exactly correct, and you start looking into it. and I don't mean going out there on Facebook and things like that, but we start reading the history. You realize very quickly there's a whole lot more to the subject than you can ever possibly imagine. That's the other thing.

You know, I had this long conversation. I know you're aware of it. And I guess we'll just call him flute player number one just to protect his identity. Okay. But he... FP1. Yeah, yeah, FP1.

he was talking about some of the paranormal aspects of it. So him and I got to talking, and coincidentally, he's a paranormal investigator and yada, yada, yada. And he, that was a good time, that was a good space filler, yada, yada, yada. But anyway, he is. Very informative. Very informative, yeah.

Anyway, he's a paranormal investigator, and he was telling me, he said, what I've seen glowing right on. Well, let me back up. We started talking about the paranormal aspect to Sasquatch or what he thought was a paranormal aspect to Sasquatch. And so him and I were talking. And I said, you know, have you read any of the stories,

let's say prior to 1970, have you gone through a lot of the different encounters going back, you know, like you were saying, Will, all the way back to 1800s. And he said, no, I haven't. And I said, well, it's interesting is when you go back and you start reading a lot of these encounters, stories that are in newspapers, stories of coming across the monkey man, stories of on and on and on, one thing you won't find is no one's talking about cloaking, no one's talking about these things up and disappearing, no one's talking about these glowing red eyes, no one's talking about minds,

speaking. And I said, it isn't until I want to say, and I could be wrong, but I want to say about the mid to late 80s to where this started coming on the page of. And you're correct, yeah. And he said, well, I didn't know that. So him and I started talking. He said, well, I've seen the glowing red eyes. I said, okay, well, let's talk about that. And I said, what did you see? And I believe this guy. And I'm not saying I don't believe this guy, because I do believe this guy. I believe this is what he saw. He said, when we were on the forest, we were out investigating an area, I came across these glowing red eyes. And I said, was it eye shine? Was it shining back at you with kind of a red color? And he said, no, they were just glowing red eyes out in the

forest. They were emanating light. They were emanating light. And I said, well, did you, so you saw a Sasquatch with these glowing red eyes? He said, no, I just saw the glowing red eyes. And I said, you're a paranormal investigator, right? And he said, yeah, he needs going through all these different things that he does. And I said, where else, let's put Bigfoot, let's put Sasquatch aside, let's take that off the table for a second. Where else have he seen glowing red eyes? He stopped and he thought for a second. And he said, you know, there's a few demonic encounters where people talk about glowing red eyes popping up in the middle of the night in homes that are being.

Exactly. And so I was like, so how do you, how do you, you're kind of mixing two separate subjects, I think, in the same, you're trying to put, it's the same as saying there was a property he was going out investigating. And he was trying to explain to me that Sasquatch are aliens. And I said, well, why do you think they're aliens? Well, out on this property, they have a lot of UFO activity, which again, I completely believe this guy. There's no doubt. There's no reason for me to doubt what he's telling me. There is a lot of UFO activity. And there's a lot of Sasquatch activity, which, again, I believe that there's probably both phenomena going on. You know, the UFO phenomenon going on, and there probably is Sasquatch going on. But to draw the comparison that these two are related is a pretty big jump, kind of like the glowing red eyes. I think that people are putting a comparison into one into the same, you know what I mean? Well, here's something I noticed.

The first thing that grabbed my attention on just the glowing red eyes, you made the distinction. You said, did you see a Sasquatch? And he said, no, just the glowing eyes. You know, for me, I would have said, well, how did you link Sasquatch to that? You know, for me, there has to be more, there has to be more than just eyeballs to say that was a big foot. No, and you're right. And I did ask him that, you know, how did you come to that conclusion?

and it's because out on this property that he's been investigating, there's legitimate Sasquatch activity going on. So when they go out at night and they see something that's out of the norm, it must be linked to Sasquatch. Kind of like seeing UFOs. Well, they must be aliens then. Yeah, well, that's sort of the A plus B equals C thinking instead of actually going out and finding stuff on the ground.

It's sort of like, you know, the problem. I had with a lot of the, you know, the supposed wood knocking and stuff, no one ever produces any kind of proof that there was actually a Sasquatch there doing that. Not that I don't think they don't do stuff like that, but I'm a pretty hard sell when it comes to evidence. And if you say you saw something, then there has to be something to back it up. I mean, you can't just make a lot of claims. Well, you can, and you can get people to follow you on Facebook, but that doesn't mean

it's real, you know what I mean? Well, yeah, and the other thing him and I talked about was the mind-speaking thing. I don't know if it was the wine talking or the wine that gave me the patience to sit through and listen to this guy, but I said and decided to have a conversation with this guy, so I sit and talk with him, and he was a nice guy. I don't want to say, you know, I don't make it sound like he wasn't a nice guy because he was. And it was a great dialogue to him and I had, but one of the things I talked about was this mind-speaking thing.

I said, what other animal on this planet that you know of can talk to you through telepathy and back and forth you can have conversations with? And he said, none. Yep, one example. Well, yeah, why would these have that ability then? Right, and why would these have this ability? And I said, let me ask you something else. I said, you're a paranormal investigator, right?

He said, yeah. And I said, okay, well, let's take Sasquatch again off the table. tell me of another incident that you've been involved in to where telepathy played a role in one of your investigations. And he said, well, there was a demonic encounter that he went out to to where this lady was claimed to have been, you know, this entity was talking to her, mind speaking to her, and on and on and on and on.

And I said, you know, man, I think that you're kind of, this is what I mean by mudding the waters. I think, do I believe some of that stuff goes on? I do. Do I think it's Sasquatch related? I don't. But it muddies the waters when people start taking things that are paranormal and mixing them into, yeah, with this topic.

Yeah, and here's the bottom line on that. If you're going to assume the title investigator or researcher, then actually investigate or research. You know, don't make assumptions. And there's things you can question that are unusual. I always keep them in the back of my mind if I can't put a label on something. You know, because maybe down the road I'll get another piece of information that, you know, brings clarity to whatever it is I saw the first time, you know, for the sake of just, you know,

trying to look like you know what you're doing with people. it's not worth it to throw kind of half ideas out there or mixing, like you're saying, muddying the water. All that does is causes more problems, you know, for everyone. Yeah, and you see it a lot with the subject. I know, like with the eye shine, I know some people would say, Sasquatch has red eyes. You know, some Sasquatches have amber eyes. Some Sasquatches have, you know, all these, the colors of the rainbow.

And what's interesting is if you take a cow and you put it in a field, if I shine a flashlight with a certain bulb on it, the eyeshine coming back will be red. If I take a different type of flashlight and I hit it with it, it's going to

come back amber. It's going to come back a different color than... And that's what we discovered was it depends on the type of light source. Right. It will affect the color. So, and again, that's part of That's part of investigating. You can take a topic and start looking into it,

but you have to kind of wrap your head around different parts of it, not just make an assumption that it's, you know, this, when it might be something entirely different. And in most cases, there's very mundane explanations for a lot of these unusual aspects. I think the problem is it's easier to go while I saw a UFO on this property, so therefore Sasquatch is. alien. They're alien.

Instead of going, well, maybe there's two separate things going on here. Did you see a Sasquatch power, you know, driving the UFO? Well, no. Did you see the Sasquatch? Well, no. Did you see, no? Well, how do you put the two together? How do you make the connection?

Yeah, how do you make the connection? Well, it had to be. And, you know, it gets to me, these are the people that get listened to and not the people who actually have the nuts and bolts encounter. Right. So people sort of make the do kind of a Jedi mind trick, you know, and try to convince you that all these things are kind of,

there's sort of a nebulous connection without any real connection? Yeah, and that's the point I was trying to make on SaaS Watch Watch Radio. I think Billy and Bruce cracks me up, but I think Billy and Bruce, they did a good job probably better than I would have, you know, in that situation.

but you know you have someone who comes on and they go on and on and on and on if i hadn't had an encounter and if i was just kind of a fence center meaning i really didn't believe in saskatch but i didn't really think that they didn't i really didn't think that they didn't exist i was just kind of a fence center not really sure which way to go and i had heard yeah i would think you definitely go the other way. Yeah, I would be like, you know what? These people are freaking crazy. That is the craziest thing I ever heard in my life. And that's the problem with mudding the water and that's going back to Pats Point, why the subject never gets proven, why science doesn't really want, I think there's more going on than just science doesn't want to look at it. But that's why

a lot of people don't take this seriously. And the media, yeah, the media doesn't help at all because they keep perpetuating this silly view. And it might be just because most of the people who produce radio and television shows don't believe this stuff, and they think that's more, you know, maybe they think the tabloid stuff is what people want to watch.

Yeah, and they're wrong. I mean, that sounds really arrogant for me to say, but they're wrong, that's not what people want to hear. You're exactly right. You're absolutely correct. It's not what people want to hear. There is a portion of people because they do get an audience. But having said that, like what we've proven with this show, we get a lot

more people interested in the hard facts about what people are seeing, real stories, all of that, than any of that nonsense. No, that's funny. I know for our audience out there, we're actually, we have shirts coming. We have different things that we're working on. I'll tell you a funny story. Tell us your gas station story. So I was kind of embarrassed when I went in. I didn't have any other shirts to wear. And so, you know, we got our Sasquatch Chronicle shirts, which are actually pretty cool shirts.

I love the design on them. I love the feel of the shirt. It's kind of a lightweight shirt, real high quality shirt. I wanted, I know both of us really wanted something nice. We didn't want just cheap, slap a logo on there like you see with a lot of other places. I wanted something nice. If I'm not going to wear it, I'm not going to...

No deal to throw. I'm not going to expect anyone else to wear it. But they're in a really, really nice shirt. So I threw it on. I was getting low on laundry. I thought, ah, what the heck? I'll just throw this on. And I wore it down to the gas station.

And they actually... I mean, I hate to sound like a hillbilly. They actually have a really nice grill in there where they cook up some good food. It's kind of one of those hole-in-the-wall places, but they cook up really good food in there. So I go in there, I have my shirt on, and the lady goes, Satswatch Cronkles, huh?

And it threw me off at first because I really wasn't expecting that. I was trying to get my card out of my wallet to pay for the burger. She goes, yeah, my boyfriend really listens. He's like a super fan. And if she's listening to her boyfriend, thanks for listening. We appreciate it. But she used to tell me her boyfriend really likes the show, and he listens to it a lot. And I was like, oh, that's cool.

and I'm going to pay for her. And she says, yeah, I'm up to that episode. I forget what episode she said. I won't say like 63 or something. I said, oh, that's cool. And I was swiping my card. And she said, how about you? Did you have an encounter?

Did you? And I was like, no, I'm actually one of the hosts of the show. And she goes, are you Wes or Will? And I was like, well, I'm Wes. So I swiped my card. And she's like, where's Will at? You know, like you and I are tied to the hip. and I said, well, he's actually in California, and she's like, well, what's he doing in California?

Is he researching a property or something? And I said, no, that's where he lives. And I pay for it. And she was just like, I'm not, you know, I can't believe that, you know, I can't believe that you're in here and you're buying a burger and blah, you know, on and on. It just really threw me off. I wasn't sure what to say. Like we're not regular folks, you know. Yeah, it just really threw me off.

And I was like, well, I appreciate it. I was like, thank you so much for her listening. And I gave her my other, you know, I had two shirts. So I gave her my other one, which was like 2X. I'm sure she's like a woman small. But I'm sure she can wear it to bed or something. It was just kind of cool, man. I was just like, you know, that's like a walking billboard.

It was just kind of cool to, you know, I think you and I lose sight because we do the show. And it's just you and I and, you know, Shannon. and we have our guests on and we sometimes you forget how many people are actually listening, you know, like it threw me off when Jack

wanted to come on and interview us for his book report. And I know we have some bigger interviews coming up down the road, but for me, that was almost more important to, you know, have Jack interview us

than some of these other outlets that we have coming down the road. It was, you know, and I honestly didn't think anything of it, you know, when his dad sent me the video about how this kid was freaking out about interviewing us. It just kind of made me laugh because I think I was almost more excited to have a third grader interview us for his book for Bigfoot report than. I would, too, that was a load of fun to do. You know, the boys were great. And, you know, that's just it. You know, we focus so much on what's coming up next and just trying to, you know, keep everything.

everything together and move forward and who has time to really think about, you know, people kind of getting starstruck and stuff like that. I mean, that's nice, but we don't really think about that sort of thing. Yeah, like I said, it's just kind of funny to, like when I was watching the video with Jack, I was like, why is this kid so excited? You know what I mean? We're just too smart. I know, we're just regular guys.

Just the guys, you know, no big deal. We're just two idiots to have a podcast. and this kid's freaking out of her. I was like, you know, and it just made me laugh a little bit, but it was sweet. And if Jack, if you're out there listening, hello, Charlie, if you're out there listening, hello, Nick, hello to the whole family. And they did a great job, too.

I've never, I don't like we've ever had anyone on that was more prepared than Jack. He was, wasn't it? Yeah, he was real prepared. Jack's run a row, man. he was more prepared than we were. Definitely kept us on our toes. Keep up to date. If you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com,

you can get blogs, you can get the uncut audio from a lot of shows that you don't get on your podcast player. So if you get a chance, please visit us at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I don't want people to think

we're too busy out there too, to if you've had an encounter and you'd like to come on the show, please email us you can email us it's west will or shannon at saskwatch chronicles.com please email us your encounters if you'd like to come on the show if you've had any sort of experience and you'd like to come on i know one of the comments lately that we've been getting as well i've had an encounter but i don't think it's good enough to be on your show

which makes me feel bad when people say that because there's no there's no bad encounter there's no bad encounter yeah there's no uh and even when we're busy we're never too busy for witnesses yeah exactly so if you've had any sort of encounter please email us and if you go to saskwatch chronicles com click on the about section all of our contacts and contact info is in there and usually one of us will call you back and if you shoot us an email with your encounter please include your phone number for us to give you a call back. Again, Will, Shannon, myself, we're never too busy to

to talk with you guys. We're not, you know, and I never wanted to. I never want to get to. Yeah, we're nobody important. I never want to get to the point to where, well, we have too much going on, so we can't get back to you. So if you would, please email us.

Let us know about your encounters. I know coming up on Saturday night, starting this Saturday. We're going to start having a show. Will is going to be starting a show called Into the Abyss. 6 p.m. Pacific Standard. I think that's 9 p.m. Eastern. And he'll be taking your calls, answering your questions.

And it should be a great show. I'm really looking forward to it. If you're listening to us on Sasquatch Chronicles.com, hang tight. We'll be right back. We're going to take quick break. Next up, we'll have Melissa, who has been researching a property out there in South Carolina and has seen the creatures on three

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