Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:811 The Thermal Camera Incident

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

Tonight I will be speaking to Greg and Charles. The guys were hiking in the Daniel Boone National Forest at night when they had an encounter with a creature. The men were able to see the creature through Greg's thermal camera. The night did not end there.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. I'm glad. What?

They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. What's going on? What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

You see a bounce, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-uh. My name is Maximus Decimus Meridus. Commander of the Armors of the North General of the Felix Legions, and you are listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show plan for you. Tonight we're going to be chatting with Greg and Charles. And both these guys come to us from Kentucky, and they both had a very recent encounter out there in the Daniel Boone National Forest. I'll let the guys go into it. it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at saskortronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out saskotronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Greg to the show.

Greg, thanks for coming on. Hey, Wes, thanks for having me. Yeah, absolutely, Greg. And I know we also have Charles, Charles, welcome to the show. Thanks for having us. Yeah, and I'm thrilled to have both you guys on. And I know Greg, you're the one that originally emailed me. You and Charles were going to talk about the encounter both of you guys had that night, and you guys were out in the Daniel Boone National Forest out there in Kentucky. If you would, tell me about the incident, kind of leading up to this night.

Why were you and Charles out there? Okay. Yeah, so Charles and I, we've been hiking. probably for about three and a half, four years in the Daniel Boone National Forest. You know, there's a lot of waterfalls, natural arches, a lot of beauty in the Daniel Boone National Forest. And, you know, it's a massive place. It's about two, I think it's like a 2.1 million acre boundary. You know, ownership is a little bit fragmented. You've got private lands. You know, you have to go in and out of the national forest, you know, on a road lake or river. but I think it's like 708,000 acres is owned by the Forestry Department.

So it's a big area. The area that we had the siding in, probably about a year, maybe a year a couple of months ago, we were on the Rock Castle River. We were off trail. We noticed a footprint there. It wasn't a complete footprint, but it was big. And, you know, we were sort of scratching our heads like, well, you know, maybe somebody's pulling a prank or hoaxing here.

But the more we've thought about it, it's like, why would you invest time and energies out here in the middle of nowhere to hoax something? You know, you would seem like you would do that on a well-traveled trail like the Cheltui Trace or some of these other trails in that area. Yeah, I definitely get a lot of reports from the Daniel Boone National Forest.

I want to ask you, Charles, what did the print look like that you guys found? It was big. It was the front half of the foot so you could actually see the toes. And, you know, that's what really caught our attention. And like Greg said, this is, you know, several miles off of the nearest trail that is way off road. We had no idea what we were going to see that night. We had started out on a little fun night hike and just went from there.

Yeah, and before we actually get into the encounter, I want to ask you, Charles, you know, there's definitely a lot of sightings out there in Kentucky, and I'm curious, what was your opinion regarding Bigfoot Sasquatch prior to the siding and even prior to even finding the footprints? I hadn't really put a lot of thought in it. I've, you know, never been eat up with, you know, who let's go hunt them or, you know, I've thought about, you know, I've thought about, you know, be sitting on a lake or something fished and thank my Lord, what was that? You know, but never had any incident like that night. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you, Charles. Let me ask you, Greg, what was kind of your opinion on the whole topic of Bigfoot Sasquatch prior to this night?

You know, prior to finding that big footprint, I'd grown up. I'm a little bit older. I'd, you know, my first exposure was in search of with Leonard Needs. Moey, the Patterson Gimbling film, Patty. And I never, I sort of thought that those things or those creatures were, you know, in the Pacific Northwest, Canada. You know, and at that time, you know, we didn't have the modern luxury of instant information like we have. You know, it was just three television networks and Encyclopedia Britannica and what you could find in your school libraries.

So I never really gave it much thought in Kentucky until finding that footprint. And that's when I really started doing a lot of searching and online and trying to educate myself. And, you know, did other people have these sightings in Kentucky? And then, you know, there's a lot of information out there more so than what I would originally thought when I began that endeavor, you know? Yeah, you're right, Greg. And I know all of us, you, me and Charles, you know, we're all within 10. 15 years a part of each other. And we all kind of grew up that way before cell phones, before internet. So information was very limited. I wanted to ask you, so you guys go out

there that night and you guys have a thermal with you. What was the theory behind the thermal? Were you kind of like, let's take it with us in case something happens? Well, you know, we, after finding the first big print on the Rock Castle River, we started finding other prints. And, you know, I thought about it a lot. And, you know, you just, the forest, the canopy, the leaves, you know, you just can't see a lot with a naked eye, but you can't hide from a thermal. If you breathe and put off heat, you're going to be seen. The big advantage with, I guess the reason we had it with us is when you're not hiking, snakes during the cooler weather will come up onto the, the,

trails, the pass, you know, for the warmth from where the sun has made contact with the ground. So it's, you know, a degree or two warmer than if they were laying in the grass off the ground. So with that thermal, it's just really a comfort zone to be able to look down the trail and see that there's no big, you know, red balls there, which would be a snake curled up. I guess that's the reason that we had it with is on and that hike. I didn't even think about that. You know, I'm being from Washington State, more on the western side. We don't have a lot of venomous snakes.

You know, it's too cold. Maybe on the eastern side of Washington, they have to deal with it more. It's more of a high desert-type climate. But it's smart. I can see why you would take a thermal. Copperheads are probably the number one snake in this area. It's very, very expensive if you get bit by one. And it's going to cost you a lot of money out of your pocket.

And, you know, something fun like a hiking trip, you never wanted to go bad where you get bit by a snake. You know, every hiking trip we go on, we both wear snake gators at night, you know, or even during the day, having that thermal and being able to just glance ahead of you, you know, 100 yards. Like I say, if there was a snake there, it would glow like a campfire. So, you know, about every 100 yards, you know, you kind of grab it and look 100 yards further down the trail or the direction where you're going if you're not necessarily on a trail. And, you know, of course, every 100 yards while you're looking forward, you're going to do a quick glance around too. If you can afford them, they're a great thing for not hiking. Yeah, you're right. You're right.

And I know that Greg sent me kind of an outline of where you guys went. You guys are pretty far back there in the Daniel Boone National Forest. And, you know, you do get bit by a venomous snake and time is against you. Time is definitely not your friend in that situation. Greg, if you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning? Kind of what were you guys doing and walk us into what happened? Yeah, so, you know, we decided to do a night hike and go out and, you know, try to do some nighttime viewing of deer or, possibly bear or anything else that was around.

And we went down to the Rock Castle Narrows. It was the 401 Trail, which is off Forestry Road 119. We parked our truck on 119, and we had to walk on a gravel road for a little bit. There was a lot gate. So we got on the 401 Trail. We went about four-tenths of a mile. And the trail makes a left into the forest to get down to the Rock Castle narrows, but if you continue straight, you know, the trails on a ridge line at this point,

it opens up into a big field. And there's a lot of tall grass there, and we're thinking, you know, that'd probably be a good place, good camouflage, natural camouflage for us. We had a tripod that we set the thermal up on. So we got set up and, you know, we're taking turns on the thermal looking around, scanning 360 degrees. And, you know, we'd seen a couple of squirrels. but it was really quiet that night.

I guess it was about 7. I think I had 720 when we had started. And then, you know, a couple hours later, I was on the thermal, and that's when it happened. The same gravel road that we had walked in on, I scanned over and I caught one of these creatures mid-stride on that road. I mean, its right foot was in the middle of the road, and it shocked me.

I mean, you know, we'd been finding foot. prints in that area, but this shocked me. I wasn't ready for it. I admit that. And, you know, I just said, Charles, I've got one, you know, very loud. And is that creature's left foot landed on the edge of that roadbed. It turned its upper body and looked in our direction. And it got behind a tree. It stayed there for a couple of seconds. And at that time, it's about 120 foot away from us. And then, And it just come at us, you know, closed about 30 foot. And it came up behind two trees that grown, that were growing real close together, that branched out, which was about 90 foot away.

And, you know, at that time, Charles had come up and he got on the thermal. And I had gotten off the thermal. And, you know, the adrenaline had hit me. you know, a big, big, massive adrenaline shot. And I was really concerned at what I'm seeing, number one, how big it is. But number two, I was just totally taken by the speed that it had. Then at that time, I stood back, and that's when I let Charles, he started looking at the thermal and I'm going to let him talk.

I gotcha. What did you end up seeing on the thermal, Charles? It was on the tripod. and he had followed it up to actually two big trees, but the way they had grown it made a fork between them. He said it's right behind the trees. And as soon as I looked through it, I could see about a third of its body between the two trees,

between the forks. And it actually had its right hand around the tree as if it was getting ready to take off or didn't know which direction the voices were coming from. and I actually said, well, shit. And as soon as I said that, it took off just wide open in an upright position over the hill.

And I'd say, Greg, try to follow it. It's running. After all said done, we had to walk right back by that same direction, you know, to get out there, which we did pretty quick after we saw it. But I stopped at those two trees. and I'm 280 pounds, 6'1,

and I could just barely see between the two forks and the tree. And I was seeing a good foot and a half more of it. So it was at very minimum, 7.5 foot tall. And like I'm 280 pounds. I had tree on both sides of my shoulder like six inches. And I was seeing its shoulders on. each side of the tree. So it was like 36, 40 inches wide. It was as wide as a door. I had never seen anything like that. And when it, it was in an upright position. And then when it took off, it was in

an upright position. And then Greg kind of followed it over the hill and I'll give it back to him from there. Yeah, Greg, if you would. So what kind of happens from this point on? So you actually take off after the creature? No, with the thermal. With the thermal. Charles had stepped away from the thermal after it ran into the forest there. And then I got back on the thermal because we had it stationary on a tripod. And I started scanning into the forest for it.

And I didn't see anything. And I kept looking. And then there was a pine and cedar thicket, smaller saplings, you know, probably 15. 20 foot fall, 25 foot tall, you know, varying degrees of height. And I'd seen some heat behind that because this thermal, you know, a leaf as thin as it is, it will block the thermal heat that the monocular is reading. And I'd seen some heat signatures moving around behind that. So I stayed focused on that.

And I was thinking, you know, it's got to be in that thicket there. I probably stayed on a couple more minutes, maybe four or five minutes, just looking. I could see slight movement. And then all of a sudden, as I'm looking there, the limbs on these saplings open up and I can see this creature. You know, I can see a lot of detail. I can see its eyes were like three times a size of mine. It had small lips around its lips and its nose. it had a orange color and the thermal where, you know, it's having a greater heat loss than like its head or its arm or its back, which had hair.

And that hair, you could see the heat was red, so it's retaining that heat. And the creature looked at us in our direction and our position there. And, you know, I'm still in shock at what I'm seeing. And I probably got about a three, four, maybe five second view of it. And then it closed back. The limbs closed back. And then I lost the creature. I couldn't even see the broken heat signature behind the tree limbs.

And I was wondering, you know, how am I losing this thing? As big as it is, where did it go? That was the end of the siding on the thermal. Yeah, I want to ask you, Greg, because I know the night doesn't quite end here. But, you know, when you're looking through a thermal, you and I were talking off the air. and I was telling you about the first time I ever used a thermal. And two things. One, it's kind of disorienting to use the thermal, especially at night,

because anything that puts off heat, it's that real weird red glow. And the other thing, too, is objects appear to be a lot closer than what they are. At first time I ever used one, I was coming around the corner, and I was looking through the, you know, you only have one eye that you can look through on, on most thermals anyway. And as I was coming around the corner, a cougar walked out in front of me. I was out in the middle of nowhere, and I about fell backwards because, A, the cougar was huge. You know, we have huge cougars out here. You know, through the thermal, it looked like it was about 10 feet away, but in reality, it was probably, you know, 80 feet away. It was still too close for me.

But I want to ask you, when you're looking through the thermal, was there anything that, obviously it wasn't a man, but was there any features that really stood out? to you? Yeah, the heat itself caught my attention from head to toe because when, you know, the thermal, when you look at somebody in clothing, for example, so let's say a band has a long sleeve sweatshirt on. So you can see the sweatshirt area, but you don't, it's normally not as much heat as like the bear's skin would be of like your hands or your fingers or your face. But just, just the heat. signature and the size of this thing, keep in mind, it is pitch black. There is no one around us.

Not a house within, not a house within 20 miles. You drive out a gravel road like 10 miles, and then we walked four, five miles away from the truck there. there was no other vehicles on that road in the woods at all had not seen any other vehicles no houses like i say within 20 miles of the crow flies i mean it was what we saw when it had its hand around the tree i could see the individual fingers you know i mean it looked like we you know we've looked through this thing a million times and you know i would go down and he would be shown it somebody and I would, you know, go down and let him look at me several hundred feet away.

And it's got a distance finder. And it costs, what, $4,000? So it's a high-end farmlands, you know, not from Walmart, great piece of equipment. And then I'm going to let Greg get back with the rest of it because that's just getting started now. Yeah, so where does it kind of, where does the night go from there, Greg? So, you know, we make it, we stayed in that area about 20 minutes after we lost sight of the creature. And we decided to head on out. And on our way out, you know, about every 100 yards or so, you know, we're using headlamps and our flashlights because we're on this ridgeline and we're scanning down into the forest looking for anything.

And we would go dark and we would go silent. And then we would use the thermal to scan all around. I've heard a lot of folks on your show talk about being escorted out and followed out. And I was telling Charles, before we left, I'm wondering if we're going to have company on the way out. And, you know, all the way back to the truck, we did that and didn't see anything. And then we get back to the truck, and we've probably been there a few minutes. We're, you know, getting off our backpacks and our gear and everything. and from the direction we just came, we heard a how.

And in this research I'd done, I'd ran across the 1994 Ohio Hauer YouTube video. And it was very similar to that how in that YouTube video. It's just the duration, you know, it didn't go nine or ten seconds. It was probably six or seven seconds. And, you know, I told Charles at that time, I'm like, you know, this thing followed us out and we didn't see it. It was pretty alarming. And, you know, not long after that how, maybe about 15 or 20 seconds, the complete 180 degrees, we heard two whoops. And we both agreed there's something on the other side of us. After the two whoops, it sounded like we heard

another set of whoops coming from a third direction, but it was very faint. We're just off struck. I mean, speechless. Let's get out of here. Yeah, let's get out of here was became priority one. And then in that same direction that we heard the Ohio howler noise, then we heard a grunting noise. And, you know, I'd got the thermal out. I was looking up on that ridge and on that hill and not seeing anything. But, you know, as loud as the grunting noise was, I was really expecting to see something and didn't see anything. So we got all our gear in the truck. We're on our way out.

We're on the gravel road. There was only one way in and one way out. And where we heard the second set of whoops, you know, we're going by that area, probably about a quarter mile down the road. We hear a big bang and even felt it like this impact. I didn't know what that was, but whatever it was, it wasn't good.

As we're driving on this road about 10 mile an hour, this gravel road is as fast as you can go. We took up to about 2025. We were ready to get out of there. So we got down the road probably four miles, maybe five miles through there, and we got our lights out, and we're looking at the side of the truck. And I was driving the truck, and Charles was on the passenger side. We're looking at the bed behind the driver's door, and the top of the bed where the radius bend is for that top post or top part of your bed on the truck.

there was a dent, a good-sized dent all along the middle. It had taken the paint off, it had taken it primer off, and it was down to bare metal. Yeah, it sounds like one hell of a hiking trip. So that was kind of the end of the night, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. We got back home pretty late. I guess it was about 1 o'clock when I arrived at my house, and, you know, I was still, feeling the effects of adrenaline, you know, the drive home.

Neither one of us really talked much. I think I was definitely replaying that whole series of events in my mind, you know, just trying to process it. It's my truck, but our Tucker was driving. It's a single cab, Colorado, and right where my toolbox on the top of the bed meets, you know, the truck bed, that's right where it hit. So the body kind of rounds in there. There's no way that it was a rock came off the road.

It sounded like somebody had thrown a baseball against the side of my truck. Yeah, and that was going to be my next question, Charles. So I was curious, was it a rock or was it a log? What was kind of your guys' impression? And from what you're saying, Charles, it sounds like it was a rock just beamed at your truck. It was, yes. And it was thrown just at the height. where if we've been just a second, literally a second slower,

it would have hit me right through the window. And that's what blew my mind is, you know, after we had seen, after we encountered this on the drive-out, of course I was looking to the edge of the road. And, you know, I could see nothing. There's a clearing about 15 or 20 feet from the edge of the gravel road to where the actual woodland runs down through there. you know, if it had been within five feet back in the wood, I would have seen something.

So, I mean, whatever through that was a good 30 or 40 feet away from me, and it hit solid. I mean, it hit solid enough that we didn't stop and looked. We went ahead and got out to the main road before we stopped the truck. Never had encountered anything like that before. And like I say, there's no houses anywhere around there. You know, totally eliminates neighborhood children throwing corncobs in a pass-a-hick or something. I mean, it hit with like a grown man, had thrown a baseball-sized rock and hit my truck. I've never encountered anything at all like that night.

Yeah, can I ask you, Charles, kind of what's your theory on what was going on there? Do you think that one, obviously, there was more than one. you guys are hearing vocalizations coming from different directions, but do you think that one was following you and you just caught it on the thermal? After many, many nights of thinking about it, I'm almost staring toward maybe we got caught in the middle of a hunting party, you know, for them to have been kind of scattered off that distance. I have no idea how they hunt or what they eat,

but there was definitely more than one, two, three is what I'm tended to believe is that there was three. The very last one was the one that threw the rock. And it's just, there's no explanatory, you know, a deer, a bear, a rabbit, nothing's going to throw a rock at my truck. None of the animals I just mentioned, you know, runs in an upright position and has a hand around the tree.

You know, none of them make the noises we heard. I mean, there's just no doubt in my mind that I saw a big foot. Yeah, and I was going to say to you, you know, Charles, I think after everyone has an encounter, we all go through that. We're like, it could have been this, it could have been that. Maybe I didn't see what I saw. I think we tried to, as humans, try and, you know, make sense of what we're seeing. And so we'll try and come up with our own answers on what we saw.

and 99.9% of the time we're lying to ourselves. We know what we saw, but the fascinating thing is when you look through a thermal, there's really no denying what you're looking at because it's outlined and colored for you in red, and it's right there in front of you. You know what I mean? And two of us saw it. You know, Greg saw it, and then I saw it very, very clearly.

And then, you know, two of us heard. every single noise. Two of us heard and saw the damage from the rock. If it had just been me and not him, I'd probably been in the Nuthouse because I know what I saw. Thank God I had somebody else

that, you know, witnessed it all. You know, it was like, wow, did that really happen? Yeah, I'd walk out there and look at your truck. It's just mind-boggling. And like I say, you know, we were way, way, way out when this happened. You know, they're not hanging around golf courses or anywhere like that. You have to get out in the woods.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying, Charles. I wanted to ask you really quick. When you were looking at it through the thermal and it wrapped its hand around the tree and you're looking at the fingers, what kind of a distance is it from you? I like to measure stuff with a I loaded tractor and trailers for a long time you pass tractor and trailers on the road constantly the trailer is 50 feet

that's a good measuring stick for me it was no less no more than than two tractor and trailers and 90 to 100 feet 100 at very most it was close that's the reason when I lost side of it behind the tree. It's his thermal, and I didn't know if he had it locked on the tripod.

You know, like I say, it's over $4,000. That's the reason I stepped away to let Greg, you know, fall with the thermal because I didn't want to mess anything up or, you know, it's $4,000. That's the reason after I saw that, I jumped back, you know, so he could fall it with thermal. just to make sure it wasn't going to come closer. You know, two tractor and trailers, that's not a real long distance away, you know, when you're three or four miles away from your truck. It's almost scary. Yeah, that's really close, especially when you're out in the middle of nowhere,

and like you said, your truck is so far away. Greg, let me ask you this. I mean, what did you think was going on? I realize that you don't know, Charles doesn't know, and I don't know what was actually going on there. but I'm, you know, you guys were there and I'm, I respect your guys' opinion and your thoughts on it. What do you think was going on? Do you think you stumbled into the middle of a hunt? Yeah, you know, I sort of subscribe to the hunting theory.

And I think, I think it was just a shock to see us as we were it. I think we caught it off guard too. Just, just my gut feeling, you know, because when I, you know, when I've seen it in the middle of that road and, you know, I was pretty loud. I mean, the adrenaline was already starting on me, and it obviously heard me when it landed, you know, its left foot and turned its body and looked. I think it was pretty shocked that we were out there in the middle with it, you know. Yeah, I hear you. Let me ask you, are you guys heading back to the truck at this point? No, we were still in the field. We were just still looking.

for any wildlife or anything we could see. And that's when we seen it cross the road. After we lost it, you know, lost it in the thicket. We stayed around there about probably 20 minutes, continuing to look for it, you know, trying to figure out what was going on and processing what had just happened, what we had seen.

And we decided to go back to the truck at that time. I get what you're saying. Well, let me ask you this, Greg. when you first look through it through the thermal, how far away from you was it? And the other question, too, I want to ask you is, did it stay at that sort of distance the whole time from you guys? It was about 120 feet when I first seen it as it was crossing the road. So it crossed the road. It obviously heard me.

It turned its upper body and looked in our direction. And it went behind a tree there, a big oak tree, you know, for a few sets. And then that's when it charged from 120 feet to 90 feet in under a second. I mean, I was in utter shock, you know, the size, but the speed. Once it came up to those two trees, those four trees growing next to one another, you know, I stepped off the thermal and Charles was starting to view the creature there. And, you know, I was really concerned. At that time, I'd got my firearm out.

I chambered around because I was thinking, you know, as big as this, whatever it was, at that time I felt it was a Sasquatch. If it decided to come closer, it could do a lot of damage. Yeah, and that was actually one of the, I'm glad you brought that back up because that was one of the questions I wanted to ask you. So when you first see it, it's about 120 yards away, 120 feet away, and you're looking at it through the thermal, and you guys make a noise, it turns and looks in your direction. and this thing charged you. Yeah.

So I initially seen it in the road, the middle of the road as it was crossing, about 120 feet away. It's like a logging road, a very, very old road bed. There's very little gravel on it. So it comes to the edge of the south side of the logging road and gets behind the tree and it's sort of looking in our, it's not sort of, it's looking in our direction. stays there a couple of seconds, then it runs still staying on the side of the roadbed to another set of trees about 90 foot away from us. And, you know, this whole time we're staying stationary because we're in this open field. We've got a lot of four, you know, four to half foot grass sort of camouflaging us.

We've got the thermal on a tripod. You know, it tivots 360. We can look around. We can look up and look down. But it gives you that stability. when you're looking there and you can obviously adjust it up to your height and, you know, it's perfect for your eyes. You don't, not having to bend over or look over any strain on your neck or your back.

Yeah, and I appreciate you clarifying that, Greg. I'm a little slow. I want to ask both of you guys, was there ever a moment where you guys are both out there and you thought to yourself, what in the hell are we doing out here? Why are we, we should be home in bed with our wives or with our girlfriends? You know what I mean? Actually, we are both in our 50s, and every weekend for the past four or five years, we have gone hiking religiously. We do not miss a weekend, rain, sleet, or snow, we're going hiking.

And, you know, during the days it's hot, sweaty, the bugs are out. So we just kind of doing a few night hikes. And it's just a whole different. different hike when you're in there at night. You know, you hear so much more, so much more stuff is active at night that you don't see during the day. You know, during the day you have other people around at night. You don't have people around. And my girlfriend, she too, you know, she loves to hike.

But we, this summer, we were probably about six, seven miles, maybe eight miles is the crow, there's a shooting range in the Daniel Boone National Forest near Laurel Lake. My girlfriend and I were at the range one day. We'd taken off, both of us had taken off work on a Thursday. We both enjoy shooting. While we were walking out, they have a 25, 50, and 100-yard range. While we were walking out the 100-yard range to set up our paper targets, we both found big footprints there.

and I sent a picture of one of those of her foot and her, you know, in her tennis shoe next to that print. I'm guessing that's probably about a 13-5-14-inch print. So once she's seen that, she herself started doing a little research online about satisfaction. I think she's done with hiking now. That's her official policy. As far as, you know, was Bigfoot at the range sighting his gun or what?

No, he doesn't carry one. or I've seen it through the thermal. If you think your average deer hunter, you know, he goes out, he sees a deer, and he fires a shot, and then he guts the deer, and then he drags the deer away pretty quick because he needs to get it out of the woods.

Through, you know, hundreds of years, have they learned, you know, ooh, I heard a shot. That means there's going to be a free meal over there. Could that one that, Greg and his girlfriend saw could it have heard you know the shots and

thinking oh well there's going to be a gut pile down there I'll get a free meal and you know maybe that's where that footprint had came from I'm not sure but one thing that I did want to to touch on is you know you see

a lot of footage of people you know I saw one guy that was you know a hippie wearing a tie-dye shirt that said he was he was held as a sex slave for Bigfoot. I don't believe that at all. I saw

where a policeman had caught one on a dash cam crossing the road in front of it. You know, I tend to believe the officer you know, that's working as a policeman opposed to, but I just want to touch

with that is I'm 55 years old. I've never been in any trouble whatsoever. Never had a DUI. I'm nothing. college degree, a pretty credible witness. And the same with Greg. You know, who would have ever thought that we'd have seen

and heard and had a rock thrown at us, you know, something that's got to be a big foot. There's nothing else that could have been. When we go hiking and, you know, and we'll see another hiker, you know, before dark or even one or two coming out of, and, you know, Greg has showed them. You know, I'm like, show them that thermal.

It's me to tell. And, you know, he'll pull it out and, you know, go to show them. And I'll naturally just walk down the road, you know, or walk a hundred, 150 feet away just so that they can look at me through that to see. I mean, you know, a good thermal, it just shows so much detail. Yeah, I agree with you, Charles. Especially if you're relatively close to a subject, you can get a lot of details from a thermal. You know, the farther out you get the. more it looks like just a red blob. And I'll ask you guys a question every listener is probably

thinking of right now. People who've never had an encounter, you know, a $4,000 thermal has to have a record button on it. And I already know the answer to this. And you guys know the answer to this, but I'll ask it anyway. Why not hit the record button when it's there in front of you? The same reason that people don't put their seatbelt on right before the crash. You don't have time to think about it. Boom, you're in a crash. Well, why didn't I put my seatbelt on? You didn't have time. You know, it just, it happened so quick that, you know, you hit record was the last thing on your mind. You know, they're just, you didn't have a chance at it. It just happened too quick. Yeah, and I love your analogy, Greg. I think you're spot on with that. And, you know, when you're in

that moment, you're really not thinking that. And you guys aren't out there, you know, researchers, investigators. You guys are going out for hikes and getting exercise, that sort of thing. And so first time you're seeing this and the record button is not the first thing on your mind. And this just recently happened to you guys, didn't it? Yeah. Yeah, October 1st of this year. Do you guys have any plans on going back? Absolutely. You know, like I said, we had found our first, our first track, the partial track there on the Rock Castle River about a year before this happened. And me personally, you know, the additional tracks we would find, you know, it's real cognitive dissonance. You know, I've really struggled.

I'm like, well, you know, surely people would have one of these things. You know, there would be a specimen. What's going on here? But, yeah, now we've even added an additional tool to our toolbox. We've got a good drone. So for any daytime hiking that we're going to do, if we encounter anything, this drone has artificial intelligence. It does a pretty good at flying in the forest. So we've got that tool at our disposal now to try to get some good 4K video.

And as well as this time of year, the foliage is coming off the trees in the forest. So the thermal factor is going to be even greater and seeing deeper into the forest in looking for these things. Yeah, let me ask you, Greg. I mean, now that you and Charles have seen them, you know that they're real. What's kind of your guys' angle? I mean, what are you hoping to accomplish by continuing to go out there? We both really enjoy hiking and nature. It's great exercise.

It's, you know, get you away to decompress. But, you know, me personally, the mystery has been answered. now it's time to get some additional information to prove the case. And with me, it's the health. I'm 55 years old. I just, I don't like sitting around the house and being bored. I love to hike. And if you see something, you see it.

If not, I'm still planning on hiking every weekend until I can't anymore. If we see one, great. If we don't, it's not like it's the only thing I'm doing. out enjoying nature and getting good exercise. Yeah, I respect that very much, Charles. I really do. I respect that answer. I wanted to ask you, what do you think that these creatures are? It hit my truck with a rock. I'm not, I don't think they like me. What I saw was a big foot. There was just nothing else that it could have been. We, two people, people who have never even had a speeding ticket. Two people saw it. Two people heard it three different times. And, you know, a witness saw it throw a rock at me. I mean, it had to be a big foot. Yeah, I hear you. I probably didn't do a good job of actually asking that question. But do you think Sasquatch is more manlike? Do you think it's more of an animal? If someone were to ask you, what is Sasquatch? What would you say to them?

It has more human traits than anything. It's the only animal I can think, or the only thing in the woods that walks in the upright position, you know, other than us. I've never seen anything other, you know, something throw, you know, a rock the way that it did. Yeah, I believe they're almost human life. Yeah, and I respect your answer, Charles. What's kind of your take, Greg? I mean, if someone were to ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is, what would you say to them? I believe they're physical beings. They obviously breathe air. You know, they have blood circulating in their body.

I don't think they're of extraterrestrial origin. I don't think they do, mind speak, or have the ability to walk through walls or transport in and out of different dimensions. And, you know, in my research, I've come across Dr. Ketchum's of the research DNA studies of the Sasquatch Genome Project. And I believe genetics is really going to answer this question. And, you know, in reading some of her stuff, she, you know, I'm going to try to summarize her. But she basically says the DNA is showing that this is a human hybrid with modern human. maternal ancestry and that the male progenitor that contributed the unknown DNA sequence to this hybrid is unique. So let's focus in on modern human maternal ancestry. So she's looked at the mitochondria DNA, which comes from the mother, and she's basically saying this matches humans. But the other

part of the DNA from the progenitor, it's unique or unknown. So I think once a body is brought brought in and, you know, put on the table, I think, I think genetics are truly going to answer many details. So that's a question of exactly what is Sasquatch. Yeah. And Dr. Ketchum's definitely one of the more intelligent scientists I've ever spoken with. And she might be right on the DNA. I don't know. I'm just a donkey trying to look, you know, this is all Greek to me when I look at some of the DNA study. But she's very kind, very sweet lady but you brought up a great point uh Greg you know you can get all the video you want and get all of the trackcast you want and get all the audio you want but really what it's

going to take is somebody's going to have to collect a specimen which is a really nice way of saying someone needs to kill one and bring it in what are your guys's thoughts on that my firearm is for protection I was raised to where that you don't kill anything unless you're going to eat So, no, if it doesn't bother me, then the best I can do is hopefully supply pictures or video. But as far as hunting something to kill, no, at 55 years old, I found peace in my life. I don't want to kill nothing else. Yeah, I hear you, Charles. And I respect your answer.

And I know, Greg, you feel the same way. I kind of asked you that off the air. And you kind of said the same thing Charles did. You guys are really not for killing. one, and I get that. When you guys decide to go back, will you keep me up to date? Let me know if anything else happens? Sure, absolutely. Definitely. Yeah, I would love to know if you guys end up running into it again, especially running around at night out there in the Daniel Boone Forest. Be safe, guys. You know, I really enjoyed chatting with you, Greg, and I really enjoyed chatting with you too as well,

Charles. Thanks so much, guys, for coming on. Thank you. Have a great night. Thank you. Have a good evening. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.