Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:821 Which One Did You See?

Episode Date: January 9, 2022

Robert writes "I had encounters in the Daniel Boone National Forest in the 90's. I think it's still a hotspot but most people won't talk about it. Most of my encounters were brief except for one. I had a bear walking towards me and one came running down the mountain and actually chased the bear off. I was walking back down a gravel road as my car was broke down. It actually jumped into the road, slid in the gravel before coming to a complete stop. Turned towards me and bluff charged me twice to push me out of the area. It was 7.5 to 8 fat tall, browns oh red with white hair which made me think it was an older one. Right before it turned towards me I could see it looked like it had "road rash" on the back of its left shoulder. You could see it had hair missing as it looked scabbed over. Kind of like the aftermath of sliding in gravel while wearing shorts for us. There are a lot more details about that encounter but too many to type up."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. What's what? They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

It sounded like a language and they were chumtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw were bears. What's going on what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about 60 foot nine, I don't know. You see a announcer? Yes, I'm looking right here.

Uh-oh. Hey, this is Dan from Cougan, New York, and you're listening to the best podcast in all the land, Saskwatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks so much for being here. 2020. Normally, I say, you know, it's going to be a great year. I'm, you know, on and on and on. But with the track record of the last two years, I guess we'll find out together.

On Friday show, I interviewed David, and David's from Louisiana. And over 40 years ago, he had shot one of these creatures at point-blank range. And it's probably one of the most compelling interviews I've ever done. It was one of those moments where you're sitting there listening to someone and you forget you're the host. And you all of a sudden become a listener. I was like, oh, that's where I'm supposed to be asking questions. But I'm hoping to put a portion of David's interview. in the best of, in the next best of that I do.

It's one of those encounters that really stays with you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Tonight we're going to be chatting with Robert. And Robert comes to us from Kentucky. and he grew up on a large piece of property, kind of out in the middle of nowhere.

He grew up with his grandfather who was a World War II bet, and it bordered along the Daniel Boone National Forest where Robert grew up. And there was one section of the property his grandfather would tell him he was not allowed to go. He never really explained why, but he told him to never go in this area. And Robert being a young kid, you know, teenager, he went to check the area out. and soon found out why his grandfather told him not to go into this area. Very fascinating accounts that Robert is going to share tonight, and he's also going to share what his grandfather had seen,

because when he had come down from the mountain and told his grandfather what happened, his grandfather didn't laugh, his grandfather didn't say, well, you probably saw a bear. His grandfather said to him, which one did you see? I'm excited to hear what Robert has to say. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Robert to the show. Robert, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, man. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here, Robert. And I know there's a lot that we're going to go into tonight. And I kind of want to go out of order if you'll forgive me for a moment. I really want to hear about the moment you were bluff charged. I realize this isn't the first time you've seen the creatures. But this was the first time. where you really got a good look at it. If you would, would you start from the beginning

and walk us into what happened with this creature bluff charging you? Yeah, so at that time, obviously you said back in the Daniel Boone National Forest, I decided to get up one day and just, I love being outdoors. So I decided I was going to do some arrowhead hunting from some artifacts, which when they do a lot of logging back home, anytime to do a lot of login, And obviously some of those roads, if you know that they're going to log around some of the cliffs or whatnot, they tend to pull up some stuff. So anytime it's got a good rain after that, it's always good to go out and just kind of look around and walk and just kind of see. Obviously, you can't dig for them, but you can surface pick.

And that's what had happened. It had rained. And I knew over in this real rural part of our town, there's like no houses for, man, see. 15, 20 miles. It's back in the mountains. It's a, I would say a gravel road, but it's not necessarily a gravel road. It's dirt, but they've put gravel on it at one point in time, so it's all been kind of compacted together. So it's just about as rural as you can get away from everybody, which all that leads down to, you know, the backwater is to a lake. So I decided I was going to do some arrowhead hunt because it just rained. I jumped to my little, my little car at the time,

which is what I had. I was young. It was 1992 the summer. I was 16, and at that time, of course, we didn't have the video games they have now. So we was always outside, just trying to get out and do something. That's about all we had back home. So anyway, I go over to, you know, my dad was a logger. So I knew we were a spot where they'd actually grated off a pretty good size spot at the bottom to where they would load their logs. And then they had cut around the side of the mountain and around a few of the cliffs.

So I decided I was going to go over there and parking that little flat spot off the side of the road. and just kind of walk around and see what I found. At the first little bit, probably 10 foot after I got on my car, I'd found a few pieces of flint, and I'd say within 20 minutes I'd already found an arrowhead of two just laying on top of the ground. But I kind of picked that area clean, so I decided I'd walk back a little bit further into the mountains.

It was probably, I'd say, a good quarter mile to the first little cliff that was there. So I spent a little bit of time there looking around. I found a few more pieces there, kind of picked the area clean, and I knew it was getting a little bit closer to the afternoon, so I decided I was when I knew there was another spot way back in the hills. So I just kind of walked the logging road. I probably ended up walking about a total of a mile back into the mountains.

Then probably spent a good hour back there. I found quite a bit, quite a few pieces of Flint and few other pieces just laying in the logging road. And kind of losing the track of time, because as you know, when you're kind of back in the hills, it gets dark a lot quicker than it does when you're out of there. So I hurried up and kind of got all my stuff picked up and kind of headed back and got back to my car. It wasn't dark completely yet. You can still, you know, see pretty good. It's kind of that pre-darkness time of the day.

And I looked and noticed that I had a flat tire on the back. So, you know, I opened up my truck. trunk to get my spare out and obviously my spare was flat as well. So when you're 16, didn't have a lot of money at the time. We rode around on what they call May pops, where, you know, it might pop, it might not you tire. So it wasn't the best in the world. So I had to put everything in there and I knew it was, you know, we didn't have no cell phones or anything back then. And I knew at that point where I was at, it was probably a good seven or eight miles back to the first home that you could even find.

And that home was probably another four or five miles from the next one. So it was getting dark. So I decided to go ahead and start walking. I got probably no more than a couple hundred yards from my vehicle and could hear something off into the brush to my left. And, man, at that time, I was paying no attention to it because you're always here and stepping around the heels. There's always limbs break in or squirrels playing.

There's always something that's there. So I just continue to walk and then something, you know, broke something. It sounded a little bit louder. It was quite loud actually at that time. So I kind of stopped and kind of turned to look and see what was going on. And I couldn't really see anything. And then I just kind of stood there a few more minutes and then all of a sudden I could see something moving in the brush. and kind of started me a little bit.

So I just, you know, being a dumb 16-year-old kid, I kind of picked up a rock that I found. I kind of threw it that way. And when I did, a black bear stood up. Not a mass one. It was a good size of black bear. Probably, I guess if you want to call it a teenager, I don't know how they age them,

but it wasn't fully grown. It was probably a good 200-pound bear, which is pretty, you'll see a lot of those young ones pretty typical back in the mountains back home. So I'm like, well, you know, when it's standing up, I know it's not a good thing. So I don't want my grandpa and dad had always told me that anytime you're running something like that, you just make yourself bigger and make a lot of noise and try to run it off. So that's what I did. I kind of stood my ground and started yelling, you know, go away bear.

I had my arms above my head, kind of looking like an idiot just to be honest with you. And it didn't, it didn't phase it. It dropped down to all fours and then slowly started walking towards. me and just, I'd say it probably got within a good, maybe 10 or 12 feet. Because there's a ditch line across the road, right at the edge of the road, and then the bank went up about four feet, and it probably got within a few feet of that bank. So it's probably a good 10 or 12 feet from where I was at. And I'm just knowing at that time that this thing is just going to come to get me.

So I knew if I run, it's not going to do any good. So I just kind of still held my ground and just got louder and just yelled at the top of my lungs, just as loud as I could. And then all of a sudden, I'd say probably 60, 70 yards up the hill. This place had obviously been logged, so there's a thicket that it grew up underneath it. Something just the loudest roar I can think of. It's hard to really describe the sound of it. And then you just hear something just barreling down the hill.

and I don't know what's going on. I kind of turned my head that way, and then I noticed that I see the barrier move, so I turn my eyes back to the bear, and it actually turned, looked up that direction, and then turned to my left with I'm facing it, and ran down the hill, down the ditch, across the road, and over the hill.

And it's a pretty steep bank on the other side, and it never stopped. No, I'd say two seconds after it had actually crossed the road, this thing sorry if you hear some chatter my voice right now it's just repeating

what it was it kind of brings it back to the moment it just it's really hard to describe it literally came and we're talking about a four foot embankment

it cleared the embankment landed in the road probably landed three or four feet in the road and kind of landed with this back feet and down then to its

like its hands in the front on all fours but the back feet kind of hit first and it had such a speed that it actually slid to the edge of the road. This thing was, it's just massive. So I stumble backwards, fall down, fall on my butt, lower part of my back, and I'm just sitting there with leaning back on my hands,

looking at it, just really can't move, not knowing what's going on. And then as it stopped, it turns, it doesn't turn its head. It kind of turns its body around. and stands up on all fours. It stands up all fours on his two feet. And it has to be seven and a half, eight feet tall. It's got a darkish color, but it's also got a lot of white mixed into it. Like if a person's got a peppery type hair,

then all of a sudden they got a lot of white blended into it. It's like it's got some age to it. This thing's broad, broad chest. I mean, I'm pretty good size guy. I'm six feet. At that time, I was probably around 220, 2.30. I was a good-sized teenager.

It just, you know, broad shoulders, it doubled what I was. I said they're at least four feet wide. But one thing that stood up to me is when it, before it had turned around, it's like the back left shoulder. It's like if you're, so if you're a baseball player and you slide in the dirt, slide in the gravel, you get just the whole side of your leg just kind of, like that road rash type deal. It just, it rips all the hair off and scabs the whole side of your leg.

well, that's what its shoulder was like. It looked like it was probably a foot and a half long on its shoulder. Like, I don't know if it had slid or got in the fine. I don't know. It's just that thing that stood out to me because you could just know, you could see that. And then when it had stood up and turned around, obviously, you know, the eyes are jet black. The nose was, man, it's flat, hooded. I guess it's what they call it.

It's just the real nostrils are really flat and really wide. There's not like a bridge than those like I have. It's kind of like stubby. I guess like a UFC fighter's been beaten ahead of one too many times, but there's no hair around its face. It's, it just, I never seen it, never seen any teeth or anything like that, but it's just the eyes. I'm just picturing it right now on my head.

It's just, they're real dark. And so it's, it's just sitting there. staring at me, and obviously I'm not moving, and then it just randomly takes two quick steps towards me and just this big grunish-type growl, I jump up and just take off running as hard as I can. I probably run for, I felt like an hour, but probably wasn't literally 10 seconds, turned around to look and see if it was back there and seen it still staying in there. So I slowed down a little bit. And the very second that I slowed down, it took off just two more big, like two or three big steps, like I don't know if you call it a bluff charge

or whatever you want. But this time when it come at me, it just let out this. I can't even it. So if I was to say like leave, but just in this big, gruff sound, it, it just like it just almost knock you down. It's like it's just telling me to get you know what out of out of that area. So then I just turned and ran. I never looked back. I kept on going.

I didn't hear anything behind me because I knew just at any second that it was, I was just waiting to get grabbed from behind. I didn't stop. And I don't know how long I ran. I didn't stop. And finally come up on two people driving a little Toyota pickup truck at the time was just coming that direction. But I know I had probably at ran.

at least a half hour on that road, just nonstop as fast as I could go. One amazing account, you know, Black Bear's behavior in general is they generally are very skittish around people, obviously when they're young, aren't around. But, you know, if you get a Black Bear alone and you're yelling and you're trying to make yourself big, which is really what you should do, and it still keeps coming and it's coming your direction, there's probably something wrong with that bear. and you're in big trouble if it gets a hold of you. You know, the whole situation, and then you see this other strange creature come down

and all fours, chase it off, and then when it directs its attention at you, it stands up, and now you're face to face with it. And I know with this, this is kind of your, the main sighting where you really got to look at the creature, but it wasn't your only encounter or siding with them. What do you think was going on in this situation? I mean, I know that you don't know and I don't know, but what's your opinion of what was going on here?

Man, I've had almost 30 years to sit and think about it. And I replay it a lot. I don't know if it was. So I told my grandfather that night is who I was staying with when I got back. We've had me and him and had a few conversations about a few other encounters as well. He always told me not to tell anybody anything because they'd wrap me up in a straight jacket, but he had seen them as well at different locations. of different times.

But I told him what had happened, and he just, usually he's, he's always calm, but he just kind of said, you know what, maybe it was running the bear off and trying to save you. Why, I have no idea. I don't know if it was doing that, or if it had actually been stalking the bear, and that was what it was going to do, because it wasn't a large bear, it would have been one that can easily took down without any trouble whatsoever, the size of it, how big it was. I don't know if it was saying, hey, listen, this is my prey. You need to get out of here or what.

But I just knew at that time with that sound that it made in that second charge, if I had not ran, if I'd stood there, you wouldn't be talking to me today. It just, it was that, hey, this is, this is a morning you go type situation. Yeah, I can't wait to kind of go into some of your other encounters. And also, too, what your grandfather told you as far as what he saw. And we'll get into all that here in a moment. two questions I want to ask you. One, how far away from you was a creature when it stood up?

And as far as the face, when you were looking at the face, did it remind you more of a human? Did it remind you more of like a non-human primate? Yeah, so the distance-wise, where the bear crossed, I got a good look, you know, I can vividly remember with a bear cutting across. It was probably cut. So it was about 10 or 12 feet from when it first, when it was there in front of me, then when it cut to my left, and run down the ditch where it hit the road at ended up being about 30 feet away and it probably ended as it was going at that angle

because it was kind of been a curve it probably was about 40 feet where it went over the bank and where this thing was at probably would have been about 35 to 40 feet from where it was at which is not you know it's not a good distance a bow hunt so it's not very far as far as yardage wise

it's close enough to really really see and feel everything going on but the face you hear people talk about And I've seen the Patty video now where it's got, you know, the big crest on the head. It didn't look like it. It just, it had a really big forehead and big eyebrows. And the head kind of sloped back.

It didn't have that typical crown. It didn't look, it didn't look ape-like. I don't know. It's almost meanderthal-ish with that, you know, the big protruding eyebrows, you know, talking about with that big forehead that slopes back. but the eyes were just really wide from the nose. I mean, you know, with us, what do you got a finger or two between your eyes and your nose? This thing, you could have probably put three or four fingers between where their eyes were at.

That's how wide it was. It's just a massive, massive head on it. And, I mean, right down to the wrinkles on the forehead, when it just turned around and looked, it just, yeah, it was not the most pleasant vision I've got in my mind. I just knew that it wasn't messing around. But, you know, talking about, you know, it had the white stuff on it, which, you know, you asked, talked about my grandfather, which we'll talk about here in a second. That's, that kind of comes into play with something that he had told me about with some of his encounters as well.

Yeah, and I definitely want to chat about your grandfather's accounts. And we'll go into these other incidences that happened to you on the property. I want to ask you, before we go into all of that, you know, this thing comes rushing down the mountain, the bear runs off, it stands up, and it turns around, and it looks at you. And I know we're going back, you know, over 30 years ago. Did you know what it was? Or at that moment in time, where you're like, the hell is this thing? And knew at that, at that encounter, yes, the first encounter I had a few weeks before that, no, had no idea what it was. But at that time, he had told me, after a conversation of him and I had had kind of what it was when I was looking at. I mean,

the other thing about it too is when it stood up. It's not not standing straight up like us. It's stand up, leaning forward still. The arms were to its knees. I mean, they were just massive, long. You know, it's, if you got bad posture as a kid, that's pretty much what it would remind you of is what my mom always threatened me. Hey, you know, if you don't stand up right, you're going to stay,

your shoulders are going to slouch. And that's kind of what it was. This thing was, it was just massive. Long, long, thigh muscles. It was kind of odd, though, from the knees down. It wasn't very long. Like, you know, the calf muscles, that part of the leg wasn't as long as what the thigh muscles were. They were quite large and quite long.

It's kind of, kind of odd looking. Yeah, I hear you. So you kind of knew what it was at this point. And in the first encounter, we'll talk about here in a second. And I know at that moment you didn't really know what it was. Let me ask you, and I know this is just your opinion, but I'm really one. your opinion, why do you think it didn't kill you? Honestly, probably because I ran.

Other than that, unless somebody, a good Lord above is looking after me, I have no idea because I was alone. It wasn't pitch black yet. I could still see very well. If I hadn't ran, if I'd stood still, it probably would have. I think it was giving me an opportunity to get away. That's the only thing I can think of to this day. And it still bothers me to this day. Like I said, I'm a deer hunter.

You know, I sent you the email the other day and talking about it. I talked to a few friends about it here recently and who's asked me to do some things with it, which they've been asked me to put some of my stories down on paper just so that, you know, they think there's a lot more people back home that are afraid to talk about it, but they know about it. So I'm trying to write some stuff down to let a few people read. So hopefully they'll get more people talking about it back home. because not very many people do or will.

But like right now, just going over it and talking again, like I can pull, we have a farm here. If I get home late at night, I've got to where I just take my headlights. I cut to the left when I'm pulling my driveway, cut it around to my right, just so I can scan the tree line before I got out of the vehicle. I'm 46-year-old guns.

I mean, you name it. But, you know, just because of talking about this and sending the email and stuff and kind of reliving it. It's got me doing back some of the stuff I did when I was younger after I first seen it, which is just kind of weird. Yeah, I really appreciate you sharing it, though, very much. You know, a lot of people when they have encounters, one, it always stays with you throughout your whole life.

But, you know, it does affect different people in different ways. And you talking about the behavior of, you know, you're scanning around everywhere as you pull into your driveway, I think that's more than understandable. You had mentioned a couple weeks earlier you had, it was kind of your first encounter. If you would, tell me about that. Yeah, so I just had got to my grandfather's house for the summer. We'll stay down. We lived in Ohio at the time, and my dad and grandparents lived back home.

Obviously, mom and dad were divorced. So I always went down and spent the summers, and of course, she worked all the time. So it gave me a chance to go back to the hills. And, you know, my grandfather was kind of like, he was kind of like my dad. So, you know, when I get down there, I was talking to him, I was like, you know what? He knew I was into it at that time, you know, planned on being an archaeologist as a kid. Obviously, I didn't pan out the way I like to. But he told me that there's always some rock cliffs up to top of the mountain behind the home where they lived at.

So I thought, you know what, be a good spot to look. Maybe I can, you know, see some paintings from Native Americans or something. because that whole area back home is a lot like that. So I told him, I said, you know what? You know, where is that stuff at? So where are these rocks and cliffs were you talking about it? I was talking to my grandfather. I said, because I want to walk up there and, you know, go see it.

And that's what he told me. He said, no, I don't want you going up there. And I said, what do you mean? You don't want me going up there. He said, well, there's some things up there that you don't want to, you don't want to get around, don't want to bother. And this is, you know, my grandfather, World War II, that has no fear in anything in life. And that's just, that's coming at that lightly.

So I made him sit down and, you know, explaining to me what it was on. That's the first time he told me about the woolly bugger. He said there was, he's encountered three different ones. He's encountered a young one. He encountered a very mass when he said it was black. He said it had to be eight or nine feet tall. And then he said he'd ran into one that was young. not young, but it was an older one. It had a lot of white on it.

He said it was, you know, that one he's ran into more, more than not. And he said it was just, it was kind of really, kind of really passive. It was never aggressive with him. But the one big black one, he said, he didn't want to be within, you know, 10 miles of it. He said it was very, very hostile. You know, my grandfather, I said to be in a World War II event, he would go out in the hills. And you could actually drive up to top that mountain, but it was a long way. you know, you could hike up to it in a couple hours from where we were at, but to go around the mountains and the ridgetops to get to it.

No, the old logging roads would take you, you know, 10 miles to get back there. And he would do that. He would go back there and sit all day long and then eat some snacks and just sit and kind of be by himself. So, you know, I told him, I said, you know what, I want to go. You know, I just, I want to go look. I don't think that stuff's there. I think you're just pulling my leg. And he made me promise that day.

He said, listen, don't go. You know, I'm asking you not to go. So I told him I wouldn't. But the next day, my grandmother took him over to the doctor, which I knew to town. It was an all-day trip for him. So while they was gone, I decided, you know what, I'm going to go up to the rock cliffs by myself. So I grabbed a few things, machete to cut through some of the underbrush again. Some of these mountains have been logged.

There was a lot of logging back the end of the 80s, 90s. So there was a lot of undergrowth that happened. So you had to cut through some of the stuff to make your own trail. So I done that. And it took me about two hours to get to the top. And when I was at the top up there, there's just this overhang, this rock cliff. So I'll go up right to walk and just kind of look at it. I'm just seeing, you know, there's something, you know, am I seeing any soot on the ceiling where there was fires build?

Or am I seeing anything on the ground? And I was kind of noticing, like, some of the ceiling had fell down on the ground, and there were a lot of flat rocks. And in the back corner, there was a lot of, didn't make sense, there was a lot of leaves and a lot of, like tree tops and trees laying down is almost like something that made a nest. So I'm standing there looking at it. I hear this big screeching sound, and I knew what that sound was. I heard it a bunch. I knew it was a bobcat.

So as I'm kind of standing there looking around, I look to the right, and around the cliff overhang where I'm at to the right-hand side, it kind of slopes down like the hill does around that side, kind of the dirt around the edges, and I could see it, it started walking down. So it started walking towards me. I know at that time it's, you know, it wasn't a huge bobcat, but it was enough to put a, put damage on the person. And all I had was a little axe that I brought with me to cut some stuff down in my little, a little machete or hatchet, however you want to call it. So I started backing up and backing down the heel. And it just slowly walked towards me, just doing what it does, making the loud squeals, loud sounds. I kind of remind you the video I've seen

with, I think it was the guy in Utah back in the way. up from a cougar. I don't if you've seen that YouTube video or not. It keeps, you know, coming at him and he keeps walking back seemed like forever. It's kind of what was going on. It's ever it doing too much, maybe a five or six foot lunge and then stopping, which was typical back home. But I ended up walking back probably about 50 foot backwards. And then all of a sudden it just stops. And it kind of looks up to the hill to the right. And then just bolts. I mean, just the same way it came from, just at a dead run. And it made no sense. I had no I didn't do anything to scare it.

I didn't know what was going on. So I looked up to the hill up top just to see, hey, you know, what is it? What ran it off? You can't see anything. So as I'm sitting there, I'm kind of getting a little uneasy. So I decided, you know, I know there's bear. I know there's mountain lines in the area. Or even talks of a black panther, which I never got to see before.

But there's even talks of that back home. So I turned around and started walking down the hill. probably walk a good 50 yards or so. And then I hear something behind me. So I stop and turn around really quick. And probably about 75, 80 yards up the hill, I've seen something out of the corner of my eye just kind of dart behind a big beech tree.

When I say big beech tree, I mean, they're huge beach trees that I could probably hide, you know, two people behind because they didn't cut those down. That's pretty much the only trees they didn't cut down back then were these big beaches in the area. Yeah. And I couldn't figure out what it was thought to me. Well, maybe something's messing with me or playing around with me,

whereas just my eyes are messing with me. So I just kind of turned and started walking back down the hill again. And then I hear just, you know, another little crunch. And I just turn around real quick. I don't see anything. But I've got a smell now. There's something like just like a dead dying, mangy wet.

It's just a hard smell to describe. I mean, I'm just imagine I guess a dog that's never been taken care of, but outside sleeping in his own urine. It was just a really pungent smell that just hit me. And I hadn't smelled it before

so I don't know where it was coming from and I couldn't see anything at that time. There wasn't too much of a thicket at that point at the top of the hill. The thickets more down towards the middle part of the mountain. So instead of walking forward down the hill,

I started to walk backwards. just so I could keep my eyes forward on what's up the mountain. And as I'm walking backwards, probably taking two, three steps, I see this thing lean out from behind a big tree. And from the thing that I had saw kind of glanced out of the corner of my eye before, it was about 75, 80 yards, I think it was. This time it's probably about 30. And I moved pretty fast.

And how it got that close, I don't know. but as I'm facing up the hill and there's a tree if there it leans out to my right, which will be its left, I could see three quarters of its head. I can see both eyes, nose, face,

the left shoulder, and probably about half of its torso. The rest of the waist and stuff are behind the tree. It looked maybe my size, about six feet tall. Had a reddish tint kind of,

it's not fur, it's hair. but you could tell it look young. The eyes were not as dark as the one I'd saw in the road. But at that time, I'm not knowing what's going on. I'm having to focus, I'm like, it's not a bear because bears don't do that. I'm not sure what this thing is. It's not moving.

It's not blinking. It's not doing anything. So I turn at a dead run and just really bolted the rest of the way back down the mountain. and got to the front yard. My grandparents had a single-white trailer. I got around from the back of the trailer to the front yard and just literally laid down into the yard. Just like my heart's kind of come out of my chest.

That was the first time I ever saw anything. Didn't know what it was at the time. And then, you know, of course, when I'm back there, I'm laying there trying to put two and two together, figure what was that? Then I remember what my grandfather told me. And that was like that had to be what he's talking about. So when they came home, obviously I told him what had happened, and that didn't go over too well, as you can imagine, because he had already told me not to.

I basically had lied to him and told him that I wouldn't go, but I did anyway. I told him what I see, and the first thing, he said, which one did you see? And that's why I explained to him what it was, he said, so you've probably seen the young one. He told me I was lucky that never go back up there again. And that's, you know, it's the woolly boogers, what he called it, which I now know to be a, you know, sassie. watch a big foot. Yeah, I would imagine even in that moment it becomes even more real, because here's your grandfather, a man that you admired and really raised you. He's not making fun of you. He's like, which one did you see? Were those the only incidences that happened to you

on the property? No, that was, so that was the first one was the one I just told you about. The second one was there. The visual, I've had another, in between that, those two times, another thing. I don't think it was a visual. It was fishing at a pond not far from the house up there and rocks were being thrown into the water around me, which I first thought were fish jumping. I was kind of getting excited and didn't know what it was. I thought somebody, you know, somebody's come up there because there's a place everybody went fishing. Somebody was messing with me. So I actually threw a rock back and heard a thud as opposed to hearing the normal stuff at it. And then just a big growl and a pretty good size rock came past me.

And then I ran back to the house that day. I mean, there was not seeing anything, but now that I looked back at it at the time, I didn't think nothing about it, but there's nothing going to throw a rock back at me that's going to do that. Because if I'd hit somebody with, you know, they at least made an owl sound or something. So I'm just assuming right now,

obviously I can't prove it, but I'm assuming that was the second time. I'd actually had an encounter was that one. And that was right before I made the trip and seen the one in the middle of the world. road. Yeah, and I know you had mentioned some of the brief encounters, kind of an overview of what your grandfather told you. Did he sit down with you and go into detail about his encounters and really what happened to him? Yeah, when I'd ask about it, the first he was kind of upset that I went up to the, you know, the hill at that time. He said, you know, that's something we'll talk about another day. He said, I don't want to go into it and talk too much about it. But, you know, just never to go back up that hill again. which I agreed.

I didn't want to go up there and see exactly what I just saw. Still couldn't make heads or tails of what it was at that time other than just A, it's a woolly burger. The second one, though, the actual visual, when I told them about, when I finally, you know, so the people that picked me up in the truck actually took me back to my grandparents' house and they had a tire in a rim there.

They had a few old tires and rims because my dad had a car that was similar. they took me back and they actually helped me change the flat for myself and I brought my car back home that night. So when I got back that night, this is at this time, it was probably 1 o'clock in the morning. It was pretty late after making all the trips back and forth. But, you know, that's when he sat down. He told me, said, listen, he said, to him it sounded like, you know, that it was protecting me. Because honestly, the bear was probably going to attack because nothing I was doing was working. It wasn't phasing it.

It wouldn't even flinching. So, and then I asked him, I said, you know, you've seen these things, you know, what are they? So I'm not going too much detail. It's kind of late. But I will tell you that if you see the real big one,

the real dark one, the black one, it's not good. He said he thinks that it's the, he called it the alpha, you know, like the wolf, the head of the wolf pack. He says it thinks it's the big protector. He told me that the gray one that he had saw

had a lot of gray on it, So I don't think it's the same what I saw because what I saw had gray and white hairs. It just wasn't the same amount that what he had saw. The one he told me, he said it looked aged pretty well. He said, actually, that was pretty passive. He told me that he was sitting on top of the hill one day. One of the favorite things he loved to eat was a can of sardines. He would open up sardines and pour hot sauce in it, which how in the world his stomach held that I have no idea.

But he would just go and sit on top of the hills. I said in a while I just to get away from himself, which, you know, if you know people that's been in war and stuff like that, that's a common thing they'd like to be by themselves at times.

And he said he'd opened up a can of sardines and was just sitting there on the back of his tailgate on his truck and he's just looking down the hill and just seen it standing there. He had no idea how it got there and no idea what happened. He said it frightened him,

but he didn't, he didn't move. Obviously, I guess, you know, being in the war and seeing the things that he had saw, probably it takes a lot to scare you at that time. He said, He said, you know what? I just decided to take my can of sardines.

And he said he walked over to the edge of the little logging road where he's parked at and set it on the bank. And just walked back to his vehicle, jumped in and kind of drove off. But he said he probably looked at it for a good five or ten minutes and it just stood there and stared. Never moved, never flinched. He said you can see it kind of swaying a little bit like it's standing still, just kind of a shift and left or right. But nothing major that would stand out, but that's the only move that he's seen out of it. But he said he went back over the next day. The can of sardines were gone.

Of course, anything could have got the sardines. But he said he would go up about every two weeks or so after that. And he would take something up there and just leave something laying. It could be apples that he had. Could be he could have eaten a loaf of bread. He said he would leave some pieces of bread or something at the spot the entire time. And he said over a while he had noticed and he had seen it a few times. And then the last time he had done it's when he had saw the big one with the young one,

the big black one with that, the young one on top of the hill. And he said the big black one was just grabbing trees and shaking trees and throwing stuff, just anything he could grab his hands on and just acting like he was having a tantrum. And he said the young one actually took off down the hill, the opposite direction. I mean, that was the last time he went back to that spot. I could see why you would admire your grandfather. You know, a lot of times when people say I saw Sasquatch, most of the time family makes fun of you or they don't believe you.

Not only did your grandfather believe you, but he sat down and shared with you what he saw and what he experienced. And, you know, this is the reason why I don't want you to go into this area. Your grandfather sounds like the coolest guy on the planet. He was, man. He really was.

And unfortunately, that was the last summer I had with him. It wasn't a month after that that he actually passed away. I'm really sorry to hear that. I mean, you guys had one thing you can look back on is that your grandfather and you kind of had this moment in time to, you know, even though it has to do with Bigfoot, you know, he was willing to share that with you. And most of those World War II guys don't share much, man. They're the toughest guys on the planet. Prior to him passing away, did he ever tell you what he thought these creatures are? No.

He just all we'd ever say was a woolly bugger. I'm sure that if he'd been alive much longer, we probably would have talked about it a lot more. All he would tell me is just don't tell nobody about it. He said he had never told anybody other than me. And he'd tell me a lot of war stories too and come to find out from some of the family that I was the only one he'd ever opened up to.

Like I said, he was more of a dad to me than anything. And me and him had a real close bond. So I guess he was comfortable enough to let me know kind of what was going on. And I guess kind of tell me, hey, listen, don't go up to the area that you just, you know, you said you wanted to go up here, but don't go up here and here is why.

But I did tell my mom, he told me not to tell anybody, so I actually told her, which I didn't tell you this in the email. And I said, listen, this is what's going on. I'm down there at my grandpas. This was after the incident in the road. I said, you know, I didn't know if I should tell you not. You know, Papa told me that you might have had me committed, putting a straight jacket. And that's my mom, just quiet.

And she said, no, she said, because I've seen them. So, they're like, what do you mean you've seen them too? And she said, well, she said, all right, so I'm going to go ahead and tell you a story. And that's when she started telling me about when she was a kid. She had, you know, there's six of them. There's three girls, three boys, my grandmother and her grandpa. And they'd lived, which the hollows they lived in, it took about 30 minutes to get where my grandfather lived. but it probably wasn't five miles if you know the way a crow flies from ridge top to ridge top.

It wasn't that far that way. But to get around to it, because the mountains, just the way the mountains are, it's probably a half hour. When she was a little kid, her dad was at work, which was my grandfather, and all of them were out in the garden. That's what they had back then was just you're raising your own food. And her little brother, who's the youngest one, her mom, which was my granny, he had set him down on a blanket. on the edge of the garden and said they were just working away and, you know, just heard my,

she said she was sitting there working and then I heard my, with my grandma, which is her mom, just kind of gasp. And they looked at her and she was looking the opposite direction before my uncle, which was, you know, her baby brother was at. And he's laying on the blanket. And my mom said when she turned and looked

about 20 foot behind him in the edge of the tree line there, which is, you know, at the time when you raised gardens back then, It's kind of on a heel side. You know what I'm talking about? It's not necessarily in the bottom because it's all you had. Instead on the hillside, there just stood this big black creature. She said, of course, she didn't know what it was. Of course, later on her life, she calls it a big foot now.

And these are people that go to church every single day. There's, you know, if they was to do something in a house on an accident, they're going to tell you about it. They won't lie for nothing. But all of them, all of them saw it standing there. instead of setting her just staring down at her, you know, at her baby brother. So they actually ran and grabbed, or granted her actually ran and grabbed the baby, grabbed the kids, put them in the house, and she actually grabbed the gun.

And when she walked back to the porch, it was gone. Which is kind of interesting because she said the next day, because they all kind of, you know, her dad and then his brothers kind of lived in the same hollow. So the next day that her brother came up and they was telling, you know, him what had happened because, you know, obviously her dad didn't really believe too much. They just thought, I would just seem to bear or something.

And it said that, you know, her brother, I can't, I can't remember which one it was. I'm not going to use the name here anyway because they probably don't want me telling it, but said that he looked out of his window, thought he seen something in the front yard. He walked out the door into the front porch and there stood this big creature, probably 20 foot from his porch.

And what was odd about it said he was standing there and looked at him. and it kind of took its hands and kind of gestured to come here. He said that he turned around and went back in the house to grab his gun and come back out and it was gone. Had no idea where it went to. So they ended up grabbing the dogs and going after this area, trying to find it in the hills. It ended up killing two other dogs. They could see it. It's a silhouette on top of the mountain because it got dark when it actually ran into it.

And then they just kind of left the hills, got back, and it kind of went away. They never saw it anymore over there. But that's a whole other encounter that they had. And that's 30 years prior to what I'd ran into. But it's literally five miles apart if you look the way a crow flies on top of a ridge, which I thought was kind of interesting. Yeah, it's really interesting, actually, what your mom had to say, especially with the creature making the motion of come here.

I've heard that before. And I take pause when I hear that. I'm not a huge fan of their creatures making motion of coming here, especially to kids. You know, and the fact that more than just you and your grandfather are seeing it now, now your mom and your uncle and your grandmother are also seeing their creatures. And it sounds like the creatures were on this property for a very long time. Why do you think that they were there specifically up on the ridge? But why do you think that they were hanging around that property?

So not far from this area, there's a pretty massive lake. there's a ton of wildlife. Everybody's raising gardens. I think that they stay there. They live there. The food's easy to get to. There's always corn. There's always potatoes.

There's always veggies hanging around every, hollow every house at those times, and even today. And there's plenty of water to get to. There's plenty of shelter. There's nobody going back to these mountains because they're not, it's not like a little nology walk upon to really climb to the top of these mountains to where these cliffs and stuff were at.

It takes a good hike. and not a lot of people do it anymore. And they can stay hidden. I mean, you can, if you want to just disappear, it's a good area, you can go and just go and live your life and nobody probably ever finds you again. Yeah, have you gone back to the property or back to the area where you had these encounters? I have never been back up that hill. Don't care if I ever go back up there. I have drove through the area of the road to go to that lake a few times to where the encounter was at the road.

but never at dark. Never want to go at dark at all. I don't care if I ever go back there at night through that area. It's kind of, you know, hesitant going during the daytime there. And I don't go by myself. I've always taken somebody with me. It's just when you come around that curve to that spot right to this day, it's just a very uneasy feeling.

Yeah, who could blame you, though? One of the other questions I wanted to ask you was, Did you guys ever see the lights on that property? Or did your grandparents ever talk about seeing strange lights? No. No, not at all there. I mean, you always hear people talk about lights and stuff. They've seen the skies, but nothing like that.

I've not seen any lights or anything in those areas. None of that stuff. You know, these really are some of my favorite encounters, especially when it's a property and there's multiple family members seeing it. and over generations that were seeing it, you definitely gain a lot of insight. I really appreciate you sharing it. Let me ask you, and there's no wrong answer,

but if someone were to ask you, because you had the opportunity to see this creature so close, if someone were to ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is? What would you say? I mean, from just the facial features and the way their bodies are made and, you know, they've got some kind of intelligence to them, period.

Because if not, then, you know, I wouldn't be you're telling the story because if it was just like the, you know, the way a bear thought that thing would have killed me. But they're very curious. I think they have to be, to me, some kind of cross between a human ape type. I don't know if it's something's left over from the ancient age that's, you know, if you think about it, it was it been the last 60 years. we really got to some of the areas. Everything's been so rural, the mountains. Nobody's really explored too deep into the mountains or they have and haven't said anything. So these things have had plenty places to live and plenty places to hide.

I think now we're just getting back to where there are areas and you're just starting to come out more because we're just taking more of the land away. I think they've always been there. I don't think they're supernatural. I've done my fair share ghost hunting in my life. I will tell you that. I know what that side of it's like. And it's not the same from what I've experienced anyway in my situation. I just think it's something's left over.

It's a cross between a human and sometimes some type of ape, an intelligent hairy in the enderthal. Who knows? I don't know. Yeah, I hear you. And that's a fair answer. Would you want to see another one? If I had 10 people with me, it was daytime. I was 200 yards away and all of us had guns probably.

Even though this thing, you know, I think allowed me to live and protect me from that bear that night's my opinion. I still don't want to see them again because just the way that it looked and it's just knowing that there's nothing I could do. If it decided to go a different route, there would be no way that I could possibly defend myself no matter what gun I had, no matter what situation I was in. It's just if it wanted to do something that's going to do it. So I honestly could care if I ever see one again. And unfortunately, you like my wife, my wife believes my stories, I've told her about it. But of course, she still says that she has to see one. And I just hope that she never, hope she always feels that way because I never want her to see one to really, to get to become that believer.

Because it affects your life in a lot of ways. Like I said, I'm a hunter. When I go deer hunting right now, I wait to the almost to the sun's starting to crest a little bit, so it's not to pitch black before even going to the hills. So it's since it's been a lie. It's changed the life and changed the way I've done things. Yeah, without a doubt, I think everyone who's had an encounter, it definitely affects your life, good and bad.

There's definitely a lot of negative impact after you've had an encounter. But, you know, the one thing that's positive is it's very eye-opening. And you're more, I would say, on high alert when you're out there. You know, some people who they'll choose not to go hunting anymore. but some people choose to get back into hunting or hiking or what they were doing before. But this time around, you're definitely more on high alert. You know what I mean? Listen, I can drive down the road and my eyes are constantly scanning out of the corners of anything that's standing out.

It doesn't matter where you're at. If there's a tree, I'm catching the corner of the tree just to see if I see anything. So it definitely changes your surroundings. It makes you more aware of everything in life. it's just yeah it's definitely it's life altering to the way you actually perceive things now yeah without a doubt and I really enjoyed chatting with you Robert

thank you so much for taking the time to share what happened to you and also share what happened to your family and you know the stories of your grandfather I really appreciate you coming on yeah thanks a lot and like I said I've got a friend of mine who's actually an author who's been pounding my head

to put this down so I can you know, at least get the people back home to read it. Maybe we can get some more stories out of there because I truly believe that, you know, that's 30 years apart between my mom and my sightings. You know, I was talking not too long ago to my dad and he had, you know, I told him what I was doing. He told me my cousin had saw some of the same stuff when he was logging because he's a logger. And it's somewhat in the same general area.

So I know that stuff's there and it still happening, still going on. I just think people are afraid to talk about it. So I'm going to try to do something to get to make that chance. change because people need to know about what's going on there. Yeah, well, let me know if you end up doing it. If there's anything I can do to help, you know, if it's promoting it or whatever I can do to kind of help you. So hopefully we'll chat again in the future.

But I really appreciate you coming on. Thanks so much for being a part of the show. All right. Thanks a lot, buddy. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at saskwatcherunfels.com. If you get a chance to check out Sasquatchfronticles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows.

Until next time, everyone.