Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:824 The Face In The Window

Episode Date: January 29, 2022

Tim writes"My first encounter happened in the state of Vermont. Between Clarendon and Tinmouth. My father was with me. And we was deer hunting. To start from the beginning. My father was a minister and he had started a church in Rutland. We had a family that had started coming on a regular basis. And it was almost rifle season and we didn't really have a place to go. So in conversation with this family and my father, we got invited to go out to there farm. This would be my first hunt. Like I said, we didn't really know where to go. But the man told my father that they had deer on there property and if we wanted to go, we were more than welcome to hunt there. I was excited since this would be my first time hunting and my dad was going to let me use my aunt's old rifle. She was short and the butt of the stock had been cut so she could shoulder it. I had shot it before. And I could shoot it quite well. It was a Winchester model 54 and chambered in a 30-06 caliber. My dad was using a ruger chambered in a 7mm Magnum. We got up early that morning. It was November and cold. We left our house early because dad wanted to get out and get settled in before it got to light out and things had time to get quiet. We got out to the property, found the barbed wire gate and dad got out opened the gate and drove the truck in and closed the gate behind us. There was what we called a two track road that we could drive on. It had grass in the middle of it and we drove a ways in and found a place where we could get the truck off so the man if need be could get by if he chose to come out. Vermont is mountainous and rocky and lots of ridges and ravines. We got out threw on some warm insulated hunting clothes on and loaded up and started walking up and over ridges. Dad as we walked said that the highest ridge would give us the best advantage to see. By the time we reached the ledge of the highest ridge daylight was breaking. Dad pointed out a huge sugar maple that would be good to sit up against and I made my way to it. Dad said that he would go down farther on the ledge and still be within eye sight if I needed him. I cleared the leaves where i was going to sit at up against the trunk of the tree so if I needed to move , I could without any noise. The mountain was still behind me and it was steep so I was expecting deer to feed among the ridges and ravines for acorns. I bunched my knee's up against my chest so I could use them as a steady rest. It wasn't long and I could hear something coming down from behind me and it was coming fast. 4 does came full tilt running and ran down the ledge I was sitting on and they never stopped. They ran through some spruce tree's and was out of sight. It wasn't long and something else was coming down from behind me and it was coming fast. Now Wes, I noticed just from feeling the ground with the steps it was taking that this wasn't deer. I literally froze , and didn't move a muscle. Whatever it was , was behind the tree I was leaning against. From this point on. Things went into very slow motion. I heard what sounded like a nut hatch bird sounded like on the side of the tree. I heard dirt or bark hitting on my left shoulder. Moving my head extremely slow a looking up and over my left shoulder was a HUGE and dirty hand. This hand had enormous fingers. If I was to compare the size of the diameter of the fingers I would have to say that they were as big around as the packaged eckrich sausage is that you see in the grocery store meat coolers. They were extremely dirty and a dark grayish black in color hair on top of the back of the hand that wasn't really thick hair because you could still see the skin. From where my head was I'd have to say that the hand was every bit of 5ft above me. I seen breath as it was breathing as it plumed out from behind me. I literally lost all bodily functions. I soiled my pants as well as wet myself. It emitted a very low but vibrating growl. I don't know if you have ever heard alligators during the breeding season where they do a low growl and the water literally vibrates off there backs in the water. But it was very similar. I could feel it inside myself. It then took off down the ledge where the deer went. It moved with such a speed that you cannot comprehend. The hair looked black at the base and where it was longer it looked almost a deep brownish red. It was every bit of 9ft tall and the shoulder width was massive. Probably 4 and a half to maybe 5ft .the hair on the back where the shoulder blades are located looked longer in length. And it had mud matted in the hair wherever it had been sitting. I never at one time thought about the rifle that I had in my hands. After it took off my Dad came running over to me and asked me if I was ok. He said that he would have shot it but was literally afraid that if he did then it would have probably killed me. We cautiously made our way back to the truck. Which wasn't easy with the way my pants was. I vomited before I got into the truck and we left. We got to the gate opened it and closed it and never returned to the location. I was shaking violently on our way home. We pulled into the driveway and dad shut the truck off and told me. Don't you ever talk about what had just happened. We would be ridiculed in town and school for me. This happened in 1979. I just told my wife whom I've been married to for 26 years. This encounter has given me a paranoia every time I'm around woods or I'm outside in the dark." 

Alright, Chewy, I'm gonna figure out which one of these buttons starts to show. I know, I've been sick with COVID. I don't remember which one of these buttons starts to show. Situation normal, everything's under control. We had a weapons malfunction, but everything's okay here. Everyone's fine. Everyone's doing good. How are you? Negative, negative.

We have a reactor leaking. Very dangerous. Chewy, I think I got it. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelled me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up, and that shocked me.

They don't make people that big. The way it moved. Almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were chuntering away back and forward, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better. Sure. See ya. Hello.

Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-uh. This is Jason from East Tennessee, and you're listening to Saskatch Conicles.

Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Tim tonight, and Tim has two encounters. He's going to be sharing with us. His first encounter happened in Vermont. over 40 years ago while hunting with his father. Very fascinating stuff tonight.

And you know, Tim really hasn't told very many people about his encounter. So it's a real honor to have him on. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Yeah, I ended up with COVID. lot like pneumonia. Kind of like pneumonia.

But the fever is ridiculous. I'm definitely on the men. Thank you so much for sending me emails and messages and people checking up on me. It makes a bum like me feel special. So thank you guys. But I am back. I apologize for last week. I just physically couldn't get up and do the show.

But it's been, I'm not out of the weeds yet, but I'm definitely feeling better. And so thank you so much for joining me tonight. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome Tim to the show. Tim, thanks for coming on. You're welcome. It's a pleasure to be here. Pleasure's mine, Tim. I know your first encounter happened in around 1979 out there in Vermont. And you were with your father. If you would, would you start from the very beginning and kind of tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened? I was young, almost opening day of deer season. My father was a minister.

He started a church there in Vermont. He was talking to some of the church members, and they were talking about deer hunting, as we all like to do and love to do. He had just mentioned that he didn't really have anywhere to go to hunt. And so one of the members of where the church was, had said that, you know, that they had quite a bit of acreage and, you know, we were more than welcome to come out hunt. And as far as location-wise, this happened between Clarendon and Tenmonth in Vermont.

So in between that vicinity, they had quite a bit of acreage, you know, and my dad told me that, you know, one of the members had spoke up and said, hey, you know, if you want to go hunting, you know, we got more than enough of an area for you to go in. And so I was excited. I mean, my whole life, my father always took me out, either deer hunting or fishing. I was very outdoorsy. This happened opening morning of deer rifle season. We got up pretty early in the morning, and it was overcast.

All the leaves were down. There was no snow on the ground at all. We made our way out to the property. We left well before daylight. as most deer hunters do to get out in the woods early. And we got to the property. Dad got out of the truck, opened the gate. It was like a bobwire-style gate.

You know, and you kind of push the fence post down into another wire at the lower part of the post. Lean it back up, and another loop of wire was around the top where you could loop with them together and close the gate. So we got to the property. Dad opened the gate. We drove in, and he closed it behind us. and he was telling me things kind of like as most fathers would probably do with their younger sons with deer hunting and stuff thinking you know give you some tips as we go in so we found an area on this two-track road when I say two-track some people don't know what it is but it's basically where you see the two tracks of tire tracks that's down the dirt and in the middle is grass so we drove in we found an area where we could get the pickup off the road in case the landowner wanted to come back in there or whatever,

we wouldn't be in the way. The property was kind of rugged, lots of ravines. My father's idea was once we got in there, we would get up where we could have an advantage on the ravine where we could overlook. And there was a lot of oaks in there, so acorns would be on the ground. and there was a lot of maples. And Vermont is noted for sugar maples for maple syrup and stuff. But we got in there and we started going up and down ravines and stuff.

And we seen one, at the top of one ravine we got up there and it was fairly steep going up. We got up there and there was a big huge maple, sugar maple at the top of, I guess it would be a ravine, but it butted up against another hill or side of like the mountain where it would go up. But if we went up, we wouldn't have the advantage of looking over the ravines. So there was this huge sugar maple that we walked up to. And dad said, you know, sat right here and I'll give you a good advantage, you know, to see anything else. And I got to the foot of the tree, cleared a lot of the leaves away. So I could have a little bit of movement if I needed to, to be quiet.

So cleaned the area out, set up against the tree. And dad told me before he walked off that he was going to go down maybe 100, 200 yards. It could still be in view of where I'm at, which was comforting. But we got out there and, you know, daylight was coming. It was getting to the point where you could really actually see fairly good. And I pulled my knees up to my chest so I could have an advantage as far as as to use to study the rifle.

My rifle that I was using was a old Winchester model 34, 30.0.6. It was my aunt's rifle. The butt of the gun was actually cut off to fit her so that she could shoulder it because she was a small waiting.

We got in there, sat down. Like I said, there was no leaves on at all. There was some spruce trees that were kind of scattered into the woods. And this, top of this ravine that we were setting on, I don't know if you'd really want to call it a ravine or a ledge, but it went, you know, it went pretty high up behind us.

And we sat down, I watched my dad make his way down quite a ways to the point where I could still seem, but he was still quite a ways away. And, I don't know, maybe half an hour, 15, 20 minutes to a half an hour. I heard noise coming from directly behind me down the hill. And four does came full tilt down the hill, the hill behind us, behind me. And once they got to the top where we were sitting at, they ran straight away down the top of that,

down past a bunch of spruce trees and completely out of sight. Now, it was encouraging to see the deer. I mean, it was pretty cold. So I was encouraged to see deer moving, you know, with that hour or that early. I kind of just sat there for a little bit, and then I heard something else coming down the hill behind me. But this was entirely different. It was, you could feel the ground shake behind me. Vermont in the winter, the ground freezes, so the frost line's probably fairly deep.

So anything that's going to be fairly heavy, you'd feel the, vibration into the ground. But I felt the ground shaking as whatever it was was coming down behind me. And being a deer hunter and pulled all your life, whatever you do, you don't move. You keep still and you'll see more, see more deer. I stayed perfectly still and it got quiet behind me. So the next thing I know, I hear like dirt or bark. hitting my shoulder on my jacket

and immediately I thought it was like a chickadee or a nut hatch which is unusual to see them on the side of trees especially around deer hunters and stuff out in the woods and so I just kind of real slow looked over, started looking at my shoulder I could see the dirt and the bark particles

on my jacket I kept slowly looking up and I see this enormous hand on the tree. Like I said, the tree that I was up against was really big around. And I do mean that was really big. But the hand was enormous. It was probably about five feet from the top of where my head would be.

And the fingers on it were probably, as far as I could tell you, to compare it to size, would probably be like you'd say. see like the Eckrich Polish kibasa or smoked sausage that you'd see rolled up in the refrigerated area in the grocery store. The hand was huge.

Things that I noticed with the hand was the hand was really dirty. There was hair on the back of the hand that hung off the top of the hand. It was just like everything went to slow motion. I was leaning up against

the tree watching the hand, I didn't ever take my eyes off the hand. The fingernails were dirty. They were not claws by no means, but they looked like human-style fingernails. Maybe a little on the long side, but very dirty. And I could see the steam from the breath of it pluming out from behind the tree. In cold weather, you'd see your moisture from your mouth when you're breathing. but I could see it pluming out from behind the tree.

And the one thing that I did notice with the moisture that I did see it coming out of it, it was not like a human because of the amount that was coming out. And the next thing I know, there's this extremely low growl. It's the only thing that way I could really describe it. If you ever watch it on TV, alligators or crocodiles when they're in the water. And I don't know if it's the males or the females during breeding season or whatever. They'll kind of have their backs out of the water.

And they will growl, so to speak, and the water will literally just dance off the water and off their backs. That's pretty much about the only thing why I can really describe it. But I could feel it inside my body. Yeah, I would agree. Absolutely. They do have that alligator, the real guttural, that type of sound, you know, maybe times a thousand. But I get what you mean, man. How far away is this creature from you? The hand was probably every bit of five feet from me, maybe a little closer. And it was up against the tree that I was sitting up against. It never seen me. but I think what was happening was I believe that it was after the deer that had ran through but it was you know seconds seemed like hours or minutes or whatever you know at that point in time

but it um it took off down the same direction as what the doze it took off in and you know it ran through where the spruce trees were where the doze had ran and it was and it was out of sight. I could not believe how fast it ran in such a short distance. It was just like, it was like, I don't know how to really describe it other than it glided. It's hard to imagine something so big, something so enormous, and yet moved so fast with so much agility that it was just literally mind-boggling. After it went out of sight, my dad come over to mean, asked me if I was all right. And I was. And I didn't know at the time, but I had peed myself. Yeah, well, there's no shame in that. I mean, I've grown men have peed themselves in the presence of

these sayings. And they can be very terrifying. And I realize all of this is happening very quickly. But when it took off, did it take off running on two legs or was it on four? And then was there any details that you remember as it took off? The hair color at the roots on the back of the hand was black, but as the length had come out, it was kind of almost a chestnut brown, maybe like a mahogany brown. Width-wise, I could not believe how massive and broad the shoulders were. It had to be at least three and a half to four feet wide at the shoulders. it didn't really have any kind of neck.

The head was conical. The back of the legs, they were like tree trunks. I mean, it was huge. The back of the underneath what the feet was at when it took off. The way I would describe it was it looked almost like the bottom of a dog's foot. It was like a grayish white color, the bottom of the pads of the feet. you could see the hair as it took off. You could see the hair that was,

I guess you could say that kind of cradled the foot itself, but the foot was huge. It had to be at least nine foot tall, Wes, really. It was huge. I got, you know, we gathered our stuff and we left. You know, we, as cautiously as possible, we got to the truck. I started vomiting. and after I got in the truck, I just started shaking uncontrollably.

Completely understandable. Anyone who tells you that they're not in fear when they run into these things, probably lying to you. Your dad wasn't right there with you, but he was nearby. When he showed up, did he tell you he saw it? He did see it. His biggest fear was that if he shot it and things did not go, as well as it would have liked to or he would have liked it happen.

I would have died. I asked my dad if he's seen the face of it. He told me it looked hideous. The face on it, somewhat human-like. I had real large eyes, kind of flat-faced, a broad nose, somewhat human-like, but just really wide at the base. and it had an extremely large mouth. My dad said that he thought that he,

he called it a he because it didn't have no breasts or anything on it. But my dad said he thought that maybe possibly that it stood there and was smelling, smelling the air. Now, obviously, we don't know nothing really a whole lot about a Sasquatch or a Bigfoot, but he also said that it stuck its tongue out several times like it was tasting the air. I know deer, they will lick their nose to kind of clean off the nose itself, to kind of smell. And deer have great senses in that aspect. But my father said that he thought that when it was doing that,

that it was probably trying to smell. Yeah, that's an interesting detail that your dad shared. And I've heard it many times from a lot of hunters that behavior of them sticking their tongue out. And I really think your dad's probably right. It's probably a sense of smell that they're doing, tasting the air. You know, who knows. But I have heard that many, many, many times. So as you and your dad spoke and talked about this, I know it's 1979, but did Bigfoot come up at all?

not at all not at all um when we left um and headed home we didn't say a word all the way home i mean i think we were both literally in shock back then you don't you know nobody ever ever really even talked about a bigfoot or a saskwatch it ain't like now where you have a smartphone where you could just pull it up on the internet and do some research you know i mean and not of that but if you did see one you'd be laughed out of the county or the city or wherever you live because you'd be ridiculed and nobody'd believe you. And, I mean, when we got home and we pulled in the driveway, Dad shut the truck off.

We just literally looked straight ahead, but he said, don't you ever repeat any of this, what you've seen and what you'd, you know, experience. Don't you ever tell anybody because they'll just ridicule you at school and we'll have to move. And I never did. I mean, I've been married now West for 26 years. I just now told my wife.

I haven't told my kids. Well, that's understandable, Tim. And, you know, it's an honor to have you on and share it with us today. But, you know, your dad really wasn't wrong. I mean, 1979, and this is Vermont. I mean, people in Vermont are pretty tight-lipped. They're pretty private people. And so a lot of people don't talk about what goes on there.

But I've had many encounters from Vermont. But, again, your father wasn't wrong for that time. I think it's becoming more and more acceptable. Did you and your dad ever go back to that spot? You know, my dad never, to my knowledge, he never even said anything to the landowners of what we had seen just because of the fear of the ridicule or them wanting to leave the church or something,

you know, as far as something like that, when you're into a profession like that could be damaging to your reputation. So, you know, it was never discussed. Yeah, I hear you. How did it go with your wife? Honestly, she listened real well. She seems to believe me, and she knows I get very uncomfortable in certain situations.

It's like where we live now, here in the state of Tennessee, periodically we'll go picnicking somewhere. And she wanted to go off this one road alongside the river and just. basically have a small picnic alongside the road. Well, one of the first things I noticed was it was just like reliving what I had experienced because of the, there's some real high, tall mountains or ridges alongside where the stream is at. It was very thick. And she knew I was extremely uncomfortable being there.

So it was like, you know, we hurried up, Nate, and we left. But it was just like having the feeling. of being watched. It's about the only thing I can describe it at. I was extremely comfortable. I can definitely relate. Never really goes away.

And, you know, the shame of the whole thing is it really strips you of your love of the woods. It really does. It's literally robbed me. I did not step foot in woods probably for at least eight years after that time,

at least that long. You know, periodically I go now, but I'm very close to a road or I'm very close with where other people are at just because I just, I don't feel safe. I really don't. Yeah, I get it, ma'am. I definitely get it. This really wasn't your only encounter. I know you guys moved to Michigan and there was an incident that happened there. If you would tell me about Michigan. Um, my brother, to, I guess for geographic locations, we live in between Calcasca, Michigan and Moorestown. Moors Town is an extremely small town.

The post office is located inside the hardware store, and it was kind of like a grocery store, and it also had a small air strip across the road from where it was located. But my brother had bought some acreage there, and he had built a house there, and my mom and dad and us, we lived in that house for a little while. I mean, it wasn't finished when we were living in it. My brother worked downstate in the state of Michigan, and he would come up on the weekends and work on it. But it wasn't like every weekend that he would come up.

It was just whenever he was able to come up, he would come up. The house got built, and when we basically moved into it, We stayed actually stayed in a small pickup camper outside of the house until we was able to get inside of it. And all the bedrooms that were there were located upstairs. It was kind of a barn-shaped house, fairly good size. Each bedroom upstairs had its own window. My father, I mean, in the state of Michigan, you basically have two seasons. You have winter and summer.

And summer's very short. It was always cold, it seemed like. but we slept with the windows open, you know. And periodically, my father would hear wood knocks, whoops, even a few howls once in a while. And when my mom was not around, he would tell me about it. So, I mean, my father around were really close. So one evening, it was probably about 2, 3 o'clock in the morning.

He heard knocks, and he heard noise. outside the house. How close it was the house? I don't know, but my father went downstairs to look out because the side of the barn roof would be facing the side of where the field was located at. And where the house was setting at, it was set off the road a fairly good distance. But he's seen a real huge, large figure, black figure, come out of the woods. and it kind of meandered around out in the field for a little bit,

and it walked across the road off to the side of the house. Down where that road was at is state land, and it was a dirt road. But it walked off down that way. And my father that morning called the sheriff's department and told him that he kind of thought that somebody was, trying to burglarize or whatever. My dad knew better than just to say he's seen a big foot or nobody would show up.

But the sheriff came out. My dad discussed, you know, where he had seen the figure or the person. That's the only way he could really talk to him about it. And so, I don't know, he probably talked to him for about 10, 15 minutes. The sheriff got in his car, drove out the driveway, and he slowly started going down that dirt road. I don't really know how far down the dirt road he went. He was probably gone for maybe half an hour or so. I remember being outside and I was playing.

And all of a sudden, you could just hear this car coming. And it was the Sheriff's Department car and he was getting it. No lights were on, but the dust from the road from the speed that he was traveling. Yeah, he was getting it and he was getting out of there. But he never, he didn't come back to the house. about four hours later, the next thing we've seen was three military trucks. I said military trucks. They're the big style trucks that you see the rag tops on top of them,

that normally you'd see transporting troops and stuff. Those three military trucks went down that road, and behind the military trucks were two sheriff's cars, and they barricaded the road. So after they barricaded the road, they weren't letting nobody down there. We just kind of sat in the house and watched everything from downstairs happen.

And probably about half an hour, 45 minutes had passed. And we heard full automatic weapons being fired. It wasn't just one. It was a menagerie of weapons, just all of them. firing. It was a, it was scary, honestly. It was scary. Probably about half hour after we heard all the firing and shooting happening. We heard the military trucks coming back out. The sheriff's department cars moved out of the way. The trucks had took and left. And, uh, the other sheriff

followed the military trucks. And then the other, uh, sheriff had came to the house originally. me, came back down the driveway, and I went back outside with my dad, and, you know, my dad was like, you know, what's going on, you know? And they said that, you know, the military was on maneuvers. I'm sorry, but I've never seen military people come on state property and firing full automatic weapons. So I just don't add up. So we waited. I mean, my dad did question him for a little bit, you know, As far as he just didn't want to talk about it at all.

He just told us that they were on military maneuvers. And that's pretty much all we needed to know. So about a half hour after the sheriff left, my dad looked at me and said, let's go down there. So we hopped into the truck and we drove down there, maybe three, four miles back in there. And the first thing we noticed alongside the road on my dad's driving, river side was an enormous amount of blood.

My idea made an enormous amount of blood. And we could see back off into the woods where trees were literally were riddled with bullets. When we seen that, we knew exactly what was going on. And we left. We left out of there. Shortly after that, we moved out of there. It's bizarre, but it's not an uncommon. And I'm with you on that, Tim.

You know, military showing up, firing off automatic weapons. It's a huge liability, especially in National Force. You know, most of the time on the base, they use blanks. But, you know, maybe the military did do the biggest favor in the world. I want to ask you, I know you guys moved shortly after this, but right after this night, did you guys ever hear them again? we never heard any more knocks or any more howls or hoops or anything like that no we never heard anything more i don't know if if there was more than one um you know when you got basically three military trucks full of military personnel you shoot something large you got enough help to to load it into the truck and to leave you know so i mean it don't add up you know you know Not at all.

Do I think there's a cover-up? Absolutely. Will we ever find out the truth? Maybe eventually. I mean, right now, the government has basically said, yeah, there's UFOs and even see military video of UFOs now on YouTube. So, you know, maybe in some time, yeah, maybe we might find, you know, be able to close the chaper as far as if it exists or not. Do I believe they exist? Absolutely.

Do I believe it's flesh and blood? Yep, sure do. Yeah, I hear you. And it's cool that you were able to experience this with your father. When he, when this was, the second incident happened, did you guys have the conversation like, oh, that's what we saw in Vermont? Yeah. When we were leaving out of there, it was just like simultaneously. and we knew exactly what it was.

We looked at each other and said, we know exactly what just happened here. Did you and your father ever discuss what these creatures are, or did that ever come up? My dad really never really talked about it. My own opinion, as far as what they are, I believe they are an ancient tribe of people that has always lived here.

they just never got civilized like we have as far as you know i i totally believe that they're extremely smart and aspects that are different from us you know sure they have all this hair on and stuff and they have huge eyes which i think is an advantage for them as far as being able to see real good at nighttime our eyes are not that big so we have problems seeing in the dark when it gets to a certain point. It's almost like a scope and rifle, the bigger, the end of the banner of the scope is, the more light it gathers, the better you can see

for a longer period of time. The smaller it is, the harder it is to see when it starts getting dusk. Same aspect. I don't, I can't understand, I don't really understand as far as, you know, the, as far as you hear, you know, the glowing eyes, you know, being yellow or red,

that I don't know. I can honestly say I've never, I never experienced that part of it. I'm kind of glad I haven't, honestly. Yeah, and can I ask you really quick, Tim? It's not that I disagree with what you think Sasquatch is, you know, as far as being an archaic human, you know, somewhere on the branch of life there. But what makes you think that they're human? What makes you hold that opinion?

Just the human-like features. I mean, the feet alone on it, you know, it's, they're like our feet in a lot of aspects. They're not like a gorilla, a foot itself. It's different. Or like a monkey's hands or, or their feet, you know, their feet has basically like the big toe is moved down like a thumb. So they can wrap around branches and stuff. This foot wouldn't like that. Size-wise, the one I seen run away from me, I'd have to say it's probably close to eight to nine hundred.

pounds all muscle you can see that you can see the skin through the hair and it's surprising because you know you think of vermont and all the snow and the frigid weather that they get even in the state of michigan the cold air i mean it's not unusual to see it well below zero they survive in it you know it's it's it's it's an amazing capability that we can't do i mean we would freeze a death Yeah, I hear you. And I know that you and I have talked about it before, Tim, and even their language, they seem to have some weird language. And so I get completely where you're coming from. Before we go on to the other things I want to discuss, let me ask you, Tim, and this is just your opinion, but why do you think the government's covering it up? quite honestly, if you think about it, history would have to be completely rewritten, honestly. I mean, everything that you've been taught in school would be completely different. They would have to literally rewrite history.

I mean, obviously, we were not the first people here to come to the United States or America, just due to the fact that, you know, the pilgrims came here. The Native American Indians lived here and they still to this day will tell you that, They are real. They're out there. I mean, they still have petroglyphs inside caves and everything else. They're there. They are there. And I think it would surprise a lot of people just how close that they can get to civilization without being seen. They're literally like wearing a gilly suit. You put a person in a gilly suit out in the woods. They're hard to see. And in the wintertime, you put a white gilly suit on somebody, they're almost near impossible to see. I mean, unless they move and you ain't going to see them. And I think a lot of times when people are looking for them, I think they're looking too low. I think they need to start moving their eyesight up higher than what they are normally because they're not short by no means.

And honestly, their legs, if you see them in a standstill, their legs look like tree trunks. they're big. Yeah, they're huge. They're definitely huge. And, you know, Tim, you and I, we were talking the other day, and I know there's two paranormal encounters that happened to you. Did the first one happen to you in Michigan? My paranormal encounters happened in Vermont where we were living at the same.

It would be the winter after having the encounter that my first encounter that I had as a kid. we had gotten home from church. It was wintertime, snow was on, and we were living in a house right next to a, at that point in time, it was a Dotson car dealership that we lived next to. The parking lot was always lit up quite well, as most car lots are. And we had gotten home from church, and I went to the living room. My mom had went and left and went into the bathroom. And my dad went into the kitchen. I think actually his thought was to go in there to basically find something to eat.

But when he got into the kitchen and I was in the living room, he hollered at me to come into the kitchen. I could tell by his voice something wasn't right, something was wrong, you know. So he heard me coming and he told me coming in the kitchen extremely slow. So I came into the kitchen extremely slow. The lights were off into the kitchen itself. But you could still, we had the lights from parking lot from where the car dealership was that shined through one of the windows into the kitchen. And my dad said, look into the window right there.

He said, you see that face? and I could see a face in the window. Now, the face in the window, it was translucent, but it would be like if somebody was, it would be like a reflection on the glass itself of somebody looking out the window, only it looked like it was looking inside the window because there was nobody in the kitchen, obviously,

other than myself and my father at that point in time. but you could see a face on the glass itself perfectly and that you could see through it because you could see the lights and everything on the other side and about that time my mom had come out of the bathroom

and my dad basically told her the same thing coming to the kitchen real slow and she's seen it immediately and you know my dad got closer to the window the face still stood there and he took him and took a piece of a towel there in the kitchen and he wiped the

glass with it. After he could wipe the glass with it, the face just kind of just like dissipated and it was gone. So that would have been my first paranormal experience. Yeah, and that's creepy that this happened to you guys right after or shortly after you had that encounter. You know, in your dad being, you know, he's a preacher, he's a man of God. Do you think there's any weird coincidence to that? I really don't know. I mean, I know of some people, and I've heard some people that have said that, you know, once you have an encounter with a Bigfoot or something like that, that it seems like something like that always surfaces, I guess you could use the word. as far as what it was, I really don't know.

I really don't know. We never had any other kind of permanent activity at that house, but we moved, you know, we moved shortly after that. Yeah, I would have left too. Nobody's got time for, no one's got time for that, you know, windows, faces in the window and it's terrifying. I know you had a second kind of a weird paranormal experience. Did that happen in Michigan?

The second one happened in Vermont as well. We had moved north into a home. It was actually a single wide mobile home. This would happen between as far as to give reference, it would have been north of Westbrook, Vermont and Sutton, Vermont. We lived in a single wide mobile home that was close on Highway 5A. and the place was literally it's set on a big pond that's set next to the road

and we always seen moose crossed through there a lot and I mean it was it was pretty because the train tracks came on the other side of the pond and you'd see in the wintertime was really cool to see the train come down the tracks with all the snow and stuff with the light lit up and stuff what happened was was

I had two paranormal experiences there at that place The first one happened. I woke up. My bedroom was located closer to the road, but we had a security light outside on the pole on my end of the house. My parents' bedroom was on the opposite end. But I woke up and I could hear chanting. When I say chanting, it was just like the same thing.

It was over and over and over again. And the chanting was ashes to ashes. ashes dust to dust, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. And it's like it just never stopped. And I got up and I looked out the window, which would be facing towards the pond. And there were six to eight, I guess you,

I don't want to call it figures because there was no figure to them. But they were like, I guess you could say black masses outside there. And they were, there was really not really any kind of a shape to them at all, but you could tell that what they were, there was something there, you know,

and I went and hurried up and went down to my mom and dad's bedroom, and woke my dad up. And, you know, I told him, you got to see this. Come in, come in,

come in, come here, and be quiet, you know, so he walked down the hallway and it's like, what the world's going on? And the closer he got to my bedroom, he could hear the chanting.

And I told him, look out the window and he looked out the window and he could he seen him whatever it was I don't know but it was it was terrifying I mean I was probably at that I was still in school I mean I was in probably I was in high school but he reached up with this with his hand and he just like knocked on the glass itself and as soon as he knocked on the glass the the chanting quit the black masses just kind of like dissipated. It was gone. And the other paranormal thing that happened there was, I want to say it was probably about 30 in the morning. We woke up to the sound of beating on the door. And the door was, we had a mud room before you got into the trailer itself. And

it had a pretty solid wood door on it, but somebody was beating on that door. And I mean beating on it. And I got up and dad was literally was meeting me down the hallway where the window was that overlooked where you could actually see who was at the door. And we got to the door the window and looked out and there was nobody there. And yet the door was still being beat on. Yeah, that sort of thing definitely creeps me out. When you were looking out the window and he saw those dark figures, how far away from your window were they? Probably about 25 feet from my window. Yeah, probably about 25 feet.

Yeah, and looking back now, what do you think was going on there on that property? I really don't know. Doing a little bit of research, I kind of thought maybe they might have been shadow people. but I really don't know. I don't know what the capabilities are of shadow people. You know, I don't know if they have the ability to basically disappear like that. I really don't know. Now here where I live now, we were in the process of trying to buy a house.

And this happened probably about five years ago. I was laying in bed and my wife had left to, I don't know, she went to go get groceries or something. something. I was the only one in the house. But we were in the process of mortgaging that place to buy it. And we were working with a mortgage broker. I felt when I was still laying in bed, and it wasn't dark. It was morning. I would want to say it was probably about 9, 10 o'clock in the morning. I was still laying in bed. And I felt like somebody had, like a thumb was in the middle of my foot. Now my foot

was still under the blankets and stuff but I felt a thumb literally a thumb like somebody had reached down and grabbed a hold of my foot and I could feel the pressure of the thumb on the bottom of my foot. And I literally thought it was my wife.

I figured she had come home and I figured she was just trying to wake me up as lightly as possible but I was already kind of dozing in and out in and out in and out. So I had kind of laid there and I just kind of was like squinting out my eyes. Now I slept on the left side of the bed and beside the bed where the wall would be where the

headboard would located at. There was a fairly good size window there. But the only way I can really honestly describe it would be if you've ever watched the movie Predator when it was in the camo mode, I've seen a distorted figure literally. walked past me while I laid there and it literally walked right through the wall and the glass. And I immediately jumped out of bed and got dressed and I went outside. And it, I mean, it was like clockwork because we got a phone call from the people that we were trying to mortgage the house to buy it through called and said, we cannot, you know, loan you any kind of money because we discovered that the house that you're wanting to buy is on top of a native American Indian

burial ground and we moved. We bought a different house and we moved out. Fortunately, we have not had any more experiences. Yeah, well, out of respect for the dead, you know, it's best not to build on that. And I'm not really, you know, worried about karma or, you know, bad juju, that sort of thing, just out of respect for a human being, being buried there, I wouldn't want to build a home on it. Can I ask you real quick, Tim? And I appreciate you sharing the paranormal stuff that happened to you throughout your life. I think paranormal encounters are more common than UFO, Bigfoot, anything else on this planet. Paranormal is definitely at the top of the list as far as people experiencing it. And I'm curious, you know, as far as the, the change,

the figures that you saw out there in Vermont, you know, the banging on the door. You don't know and I don't know, but what are your thoughts? Do you think that these are people who have passed on? These were human beings at one time? I believe, honestly, with all the paranormal stuff that I had witnessed and stuff,

I believe they're sinister, you know, identities itself. I don't, I mean, if you think about it, it's really an unknown subject. I mean, now in this day and age, we discuss more paranormal stuff and more Bigfoot stuff than it ever has. And I really don't know. I mean, in the state of Michigan,

Dog Man is a huge thing that is talked about. Like I said, when we had our conversation, around Halloween time, there's literally a song about Dog Man. You can YouTube it. If you put in a song about Dog Man, dog man, it'll come up. And it's, it's kind of a freaky song because it talks about actual events that has happened throughout the state of Michigan with the dog man. And I honestly believe the dog man

is a sinister identity too. I believe it's very evil. And I feel very fortunate not to have an experience with one. Yeah, I agree with you. I think the dog man is absolutely some weird entity. And, you know, I've heard of people shooting at it. And it seems to be bulletproof. curve, which really makes no sense. But, you know, even something spiritual can be physical. You had something banging on your door, and there was nothing there. You know, you hear chanting in the woods. It really makes you wonder what in the world's going on out there.

And, you know, I really appreciate you taking the time to share what happened to you in your life, Tim. You know, whether it be paranormal or UFO or Bigfoot, I think as human beings, when we have an encounter, or we think we're the only ones that have seen it, and that couldn't be further from the truth. And I think it helps to come forward and talk about what people have experienced and seen. You know, you never know who you're helping out, who might be listening. I really enjoyed chatting with you, Tim. Thank you so much for coming on, ma'am.

Well, I appreciate you listening, Wes. I'm thrilled that you have a platform so people can actually talk about it. It's very therapeutic to talk about it. But, you know, it's also, in a way, it's also very terrifying because you literally relive it. Yeah, 100%. Absolutely. Thank you again, Tim. And that's it for tonight.

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