Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:827 Put One In The Chamber

Episode Date: February 7, 2022

*Due to a technical issues and some podcast player not playing the show, I am uploading this again.   My guest is Josh. Josh comes from a military family. He will be sharing his Sasquatch encounter with us along with other strange things that happen to him on the military base.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were chomtering away back and forward, back and

forward, back and forward. I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. That son of a bitch is about 6'9. I don't know. Do you see a mouseer? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-uh. This is Zizi from Southern California. You are listening to my favorite show, Sasquatch Chronicles.

Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show, plan for you. That weird audio there at the beginning, I'll kind of, I'll replay it towards the end of the show. But thank you so much for being here tonight. We're going to be chatting with Josh. And Josh originally grew up in Alaska.

He kind of grew up in a military family. Josh is a veteran. He served our country. and he was out there on base with his dad when he was growing up, had this very, very strange encounter on the base, and I'll kind of let Josh go into it. The reason why Josh contacted me is many hundreds and hundreds of shows ago. I did a show about the mountain giants,

and that's really what prompted Josh to contact me. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. and I'm still fighting COVID, so please forgive my voice, or it sounds like I'm breathing heavy. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome Josh to the show. Josh, thanks for coming on.

Hey, yeah, thanks for having me, Wes. Yeah, thank you again, Josh. And I know this happened to you when you were nine years old out at the base there in Alaska. If you would kind of take us back to that moment. What were you doing and walk us into what happened? Sure. Yes, I was about nine years old. My family was at Isleson Air Force Base in Alaska, and it's real close to Fairbanks. So if it's like mid-Alas, like right in the middle. Back then, I remember that the housing complex, I don't know what it looks like now, but back then it was like the complex just ended. And then there was a massive field, and then it was just the wilderness. It was just the Alaskan Wilds. Like I said, I don't know what it looks like now, but back then it was.

It was literally a work in progress. And our house was right at the end of the complex. And so we were right there at the edge of the field. And I used to take our dog out every night to go, you know, do her business there at the edge of the field. Couldn't really go too far in because the snow was too deep in winter. But I remember one night, I'm just thinking about it now. It just sounds so crazy. I took her out, went to the field like we usually do, and as we're sitting there, I start hearing

the sound of a helicopter, and that's not really a big deal. I'm on an Air Force base, and there's a few miles away. There's Fort Wainwright, I think it's Fort Wainwright, the Army base. So I'm not really paying much attention to it, but it gets louder and louder, and I kind of turn to look in the direction of where it's coming from, and it's coming from across the woods across the field. And I can't quite see it yet, but I do see a spot of light.

So I figured that's like, you know, the running lights. The one thing that kind of stood out there was that it was, it looked like it was moving erratically. Like the light looked like it was moving pretty erratically. And that's sort of what made me turn my attention to it. And as I watched the helicopter, it came up near and that's when I could clearly see it was a helicopter. And instead of running lights,

it was actually a spotlight that I was looking at. and the light was coming down into the woods. And just the way that the chopper was moving so erratically, it seemed to me like it was trying to keep something in that spotlight, down in the woods below. After I think maybe 30, 45 seconds or so, the chopper got closer towards the edge of the field. And it kind of shot forward.

I got the impression that was shooting ahead of whatever was trying to keep in the light. and I looked over at the edge of the forest, the tree line, and it's real hard to really hear anything because the chopper is just that loud at this point. But I'll never forget. I'm looking over the edge of the tree line, that light shining to the trees,

and then just something massive comes out of the trees, and it hits that field, and the field had a good, like, three, four feet of snow, and the moment it hits the field, it just explodes with snow everywhere. It reminds you of like a demo chart going off. All that snow kind of hanging in the air made it really difficult to tell details. And I know how time kind of messes with your memory.

But I distinctly remember whatever it was, it was huge, like larger than anything I've ever seen. It was dark, some kind of dart shape. And I got the impression it was running like on two feet and on all fours. Like it would alternate between the two. I see moose. I had a run-in with a moose, actually, because as a kid up there in Alaska, you just go play in the woods during summer and spring. And I've had a run-in with a moose. Those things are giant.

This was a lot bigger than the moose. Later as an adult, I joined the military and I became familiar with helicopters and stuff. So going back and thinking about what I saw and the helicopter above it, if I had to estimate a size just using the chopper as like a a size reference. I'd say this thing had to be like 15 feet at minimum when it was when it was upright. Jeez, man, that's huge. Yeah, it was, it was massive. But the, so it was clearly trying to avoid the chopper.

It was really agitated. And it would just move so fast of that thick snow. And every time it was sort of plow into the snow, it just sent up these massive, you know, all this snow up into the air. The chopper was kind of ahead of it. And I, when I reflected back on it later, I kind of got the impression of the chopper was maybe trying to push it away from the housing complex, like trying to push it back into the woods. It was maybe only visible for a good 15, 20 seconds before it finally turned around and kind of plunged into the tree line. And then the chopper just went right up, you know, right back after it.

I watched for maybe another 30 seconds after that as the chopper kind of followed it and zigging. You could tell this thing was really trying to lose the Black Hawk that was chasing it. And then, yeah, then they kind of faded into the distance. I kind of sat there processing this whole thing. And I immediately just tugged on the dog and went inside. And what I remember probably most clear about this whole thing is when I went inside and I went straight to my dad and I told him everything I had just seen. and his immediate reaction is he gets, I mean, you know, I was kind of a shitty kid sometimes.

I'd make my parents angry like every kid does. But his immediate reaction was just furious. Like he was just immediately furious with me. He doesn't acknowledge anything that I have just said. And he just says, you know better than to be playing over in that field. And I was just like, what? Like, we'd lived there for about a year. I was out there all the time.

No one had ever mentioned anything about, you know, other than, hey, you know, be careful with moose, bears, whatever. But, like, nobody ever mentioned anything about this field or anything. And he just, that's it. He, like, told me to go upstairs and go to my room and told me to stay away from that field from now on. And I just remember how angry he got. It's so irrational.

Yeah, I know your dad was in the Air Force. I'm with you on that. I mean, what a weird reaction, Josh. You know, a nine-year-old kid comes in and tells you this, and he's pissed off by it. What do you make of that reaction? I mean, do you think your dad knew something? You know, I mean, it has to be, right? It has to be that he knew something.

And, you know, I know now as an adult that you get angry when things you love about are threatened. You know, that's one of your first reactions. So I could see that maybe that's where the anger came from. He obviously wasn't angry that was just asking the question. He wasn't that type of father. Yeah, I've probably gotten a dozen of these really weird reports out of Alaska. And the creature's just too big. And so we started calling them mountain giants based on descriptions and certain features.

But, you know, your dad's reaction really makes me think he saw something. You know, I'm putting my father hat on now. And if I had a nine-year-old boy come tell me, hey, there's a Black Hawk out there and this giant running, you know, it's chasing this weird giant. I'm going to go find out what's going on. But your dad's reaction, it makes me wonder. And, you know, going back to talking about mountain giants, it's a size is the first thing that catches my attention.

So when you saw the St. Josh, you're thinking it's right around 15 feet tall? That's kind of working backwards. Now that I'm more familiar with like military aircraft and I know it was a black hawk. So I know the size and the dimensions of the Blackhawk. And kind of using it for reference, I would estimate that, yeah, this thing was about 15 feet when it was standing, when it was upright. When it would go down and kind of run on all floors, I'd say it was still about 10 feet. It was just massive. It was the largest thing I've ever seen.

Well, the largest living thing I've ever seen. I'll put it that way. Yeah, as you and I were talking off the air, Josh, I was telling you, I've probably gotten a dozen. of these reports, and they're all mainly from Alaska. I really need to do an updated show on the mountain giants, but, you know, one of the incidents is that Hunter called me from Alaska, kind of an older man, and he was walking along the ridge line, and there was a valley, and then this other ridge line across from him, quite a distance away. Anyway, he's out there hunting and he looks over at the other ridge line and he sees a man walking what he thinks is a man

walking but he couldn't figure out what was going on because this man that was walking was 15 to 20 feet tall and i asked him i said what what it makes you think it was 15 to 20 feet tall and he said it was walking along with trees that were 15 to 20 feet tall guy was terrified refused to come on the air but he provided a lot of cool detail i really need to do him an updated show on the mountain giants. You know, when you're nine years old and you're seeing this Black Hawk come in, I don't think that Black Hawk was coming in for a landing and saw this thing. The way it went after, it makes me think they were called out to this thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, as I've reflected on this over the years, I was just thinking, well,

could I have been wrong because they had just been, you know, just maybe the biggest bear I've ever seen in my life. And they were just kind of having fun, chasing it around, you know? But then I'm like, no, like you got a lot of flight hours. Like there's so much paperwork. There's so much oversight involved with like military arc. You don't just take those things out for a joyride like that, let alone next to a housing complex, you know?

Yeah, the whole thing is odd. It's very, very odd. When you, later, when you became an adult, did you ever get a chance to question your dad about that night? You know, I was literally about to this Christmas. That was my goal because I'd been thinking about because I was talking with a friend about, you know, weird stuff we experienced when we were in the military and stuff. And this story came up. And I was like, you know, when I go home, I'm going to ask him point blank like to his face because I want to see his face when I ask him.

And I ended up getting COVID. So I got stuck in my mom's house and I didn't make the trips. I'm kind of saving it. I don't want to ask over the phone. I want to see his face. Yeah, I hope you get a chance. I would love to know what he says. And I know that you served our country to as well.

And thank you so much for your service. And as you and I talked off the air, there was a lot of weird things that happened to you while working on base. Would you mind sharing? I know one of the incidents we talked about was the lights that you saw on the base. So I worked security in the restricted area

out in Nevada, a desert for about six years. And we had a lot of weird stuff out there, but we had, it looked like headlights come in our direction. I worked and operated all at night for six years. So this was like two, three in the morning.

They looked just like headlights. Like they were bobbing up and down. You know, it looked like a truck off road on like those desert hills. So, I set up with my party the sort of blocking force so that they, you know, they wouldn't go

pass a certain, an invisible line in the sand, if you will. And meanwhile, we had patrols about maybe a quarter mile behind us on high ground, kind of, you know, just overwatching.

We had the headlights just disappear on us. Like, he just blinked out. So we figured, all right, they, you know, the truck, they stop the truck, they turn the lights off. And now we're a little concerned because that probably means

that they know exactly where there are, they're not just off-roading and they're probably going to try to come close. We swapped to night vision, the thermals and we're sweeping the mountainside, you know, just trying to find anything. You can't find anything. Can't find a truck. And, you know, trucks run hot. You still be able to see the truck

on thermals. Um, no, nothing. Couldn't see anything. And then, uh, we had a canine patrol come out. We requested a canine patrol to come back us up just in case they somehow had hidden the truck and they're going to try to sneak past us. And while we were out there, uh, we had patrols further back behind us. Start calling in these lights.

And I remember the first one, they said that the lights were like at our 9 o'clock, if I remember right. And so we turn and look and we can't see anything. I can't see a single thing. But they're claiming that it's like, I don't remember the color. I don't want to fill in details that I can't remember. But they were colored light, like solid color lights. After a few minutes, another patrol called in and said, hey, you've got lights at you're 12 o'clock now. and we turn, look, you know, can't see anything.

Night vision, thermals, nothing. Can't see a thing. Maybe two minutes after that, one of the original patrols calls up and they're like, hey, BMI, so you got lights now at your thing you said it was like at our 3 o'clock because I believe it was 9, 12, and 3. Either way, it was basically like there was three points around us that the lights were at. And again, we couldn't see anything. Our equipment couldn't pick anything up.

dog wasn't signaling the dog was doing nothing. And I got, you know, a little worried. So I, uh, I requested my, um, security, uh, commander to switch to, um, clear talk channel where we could, you know, just talk without codes and stuff. And I was like, hey man, what's going on out here? Like, fill me in. And he's like, A, Shell and B of Vice. You've got three sets of lights. Looks like they're nine, 12, and three. And it looks that they're kind of moving towards your direction. Like, can you see anything out there? I'm telling them, like, I can't see anything. We had like a really powerful thermal camera set up pretty high up on the pole. And the thermal camera wasn't picking anything up on the thermals, but on visual, it was

picking up the lights, which is really weird. But anyways, like, as soon as I swap back to, swap my radio back to the regular channel, maybe 30 seconds after that, one of the patrols caused out real panic. He's like, hey, those lights are coming down on you, man. Like, they are rushing on you. So I got no idea what's going on. I tell the guys with me, hey, put one in the chamber. You know, we have no idea what's coming down. So we kind of hunker down, put one in the chamber, wait, keep looking at the dog.

See you the dog's going to signal so he was going to do anything. Nothing. Dog never, never signaled, never nothing. We never saw nothing, never heard anything. After about like maybe two, three minutes I decided I was like, all right, screw this. Let's head back. Let's head back to the vehicles. And we're walking back to the vehicles, and I realized I haven't heard any radio chatter. You can't forget about these things when you're, like, stressed out.

So I try my radio, get nothing. Try partners radio, nothing. K-9 tries their radio, nothing. We get back to the vehicles. I'm like, all right, well, let's get in closer and then try the radios. So we come in closer, and it's almost like crossing a certain line. This radios just suddenly all start coming on, start transmitting. again. My security commander told me to in-process and go talk to him immediately. And when I did,

he was like, where the hell were you for like 20 minutes? And I was like, I, what are you talking about? I was right there. And I wasn't gone 20 minutes. It was like maybe three minutes I was out of radio contact. He's like, no, we're trying to raise you for 20 minutes. And here, like, the radio logs showed, we were basically out of contact for 20 minutes. And I promised you, it was like three. That's so strange You know your radio quits working There's kind of a A lapse in time

What do you think it was Dude I I don't know But like I did see I did see one thing that like Made me think a certain way About all these UFO

Sightings and stuff I remember I was I was going to work one night up there And we had to We drove past Nellas Air Force Base I went up into the desert and as I was passing kind of the rear of the flight line where there was a few buildings

and then there was big mound which would call it Sunrise Mountain out there. I remember this was July 4th, 2006, I believe it was, but I know it was July 4th for a fact. As I'm watching, I'm just not really paying attention. I'm just looking at the scenery as I'm driving. All of a sudden, this massive American flag like fills up the entire side of the mountain.

And it's obviously not a real flag. It's like a projected image of a flag. And it's there for like half a second and then it turns off. And I had to stop the car. I was like, what the fuck was that? Like it blew my mind because it was the entire side of this mountain. And you know when you project an image, it loses quality. And this was just crystal clear and it was across the entire side of the mound.

And I just, I was just like, that was like, that was something. Like they, they were, you know, somebody was like showing something that they've developed off and they're like, hey, we're going to do this real quick or something. And it made sense. There was a Fourth of July. Of course, there'll be an American flag, right? Yeah, that is weird. I've heard rumors of the government having something like that.

And I can't remember if it was, man, I got like COVID brain, man. I'm running at like 20%. I think it was Von Braun, the Nazi scientist, the father of NASA. And I think he had a quote before he died. He was talking about if aliens came back and attacked or there was a religious event like Jesus coming back, that it would all be an illusion. And he kind of alluded to something like this. It's weird, though, that they did it out in the middle of nowhere with an American flag.

I mean, it sounds like a test run. Yeah, exactly. And that really started making me think about, you know, because there was a document in the early 2000s that got leaked online from DARPA talking about the Army requested funding specifically for developing a device that could simulate. I figure what the specific wording was, but they were basically looking for a device that could simulate like they called a religious events, auditory. and visual phenomenon, they were basically like a hologram projector. That's literally what the document was saying that the Army was requesting funding for. Yeah, you know, nothing good comes from the government having a hologram as a weapon,

because you know they'll use it as a weapon. You know, I have great admiration for people who served our country. I realize, you know, people get paid. It's not very good pay. and when you're in the military, your property, the government practically owns you. But having said all of that, I have nothing but great admiration for people who serve our country because it is volunteer. When you were in the military, was there any other strange things that happened to you? I am under a 30-year non-disclosure contract.

I think I've got another 13 years. So there is some stuff that I just, I can't, you know, even. And if we were to talk about the details anonymously, I just wouldn't feel comfortable. There is a few things that definitely the sort of missed the briefing, if you will. It's crazy. Like, it's, I still, you know, thinking back on these things, like, I can't wrap my mind around them. And it's weird telling people, I don't know, maybe other people listen to the show will have experience something similar and then we'll see that I'm not crazy. but there was a time when

I worked security at a nuclear weapon storage depot and we had other priority level one resources there but you know it was a real deal it was very serious work and we would practice assault and recapture operations on like a training facility so that we could be prepared to potentially do that on the real kind of bunkers and depots and stuff and there was a night where we

we were doing our training and we had a part of our security response. We had a machine gun team set up on high ground who kind of oversaw everything and, you know, in a real world incident, they'd be able to put fire wherever it was needed. And as we're practicing our assault and recapture procedures, the machine gun team calls out of the radio and they're like, hey, be advised you've got two figures in the desert behind you. We're tracking them on the thermals. And the rest of us think it's just part of the exercise. So we, you know, we start responding appropriately.

And then suddenly our security commander calls over the radio to terminate exercise, like, immediately. And we could tell by his voice like he's serious. So he comes running over from where he's kind of observing everything. And he's like, hey, form up into a sweeping element right now because I don't have anyone out there in the desert. And we're like, oh, shit, this is real. someone's in here, which they would have to get through so many layers of security. So, you know, this is a serious situation. So we form up into a sweeping element and we start pushing into the desert. And the way we're going is one guy has naked eyes, the next guy's

got his night vision, and then the next guy down is using a thermal. So that way you got three different modes of sight. And we're kind of moving and we're getting vectored in by the machine gun team up top who's watching these figures on their thermal and they're telling us they're like yeah they're prone doubt uh it looks like they're they're watching you guys approaching and they even tell us that they're like maneuvering as we are maneuvering on them they're trying to like they said they looked like they were trying to kind of slowly back off without actually standing up and running the way so we get uh we get we get to within a good 30 or so meters from where we're being told the figures are at and we can't see anything and the

The desert ground had some bushes and a few wadis run through it, but generally, we had a pretty clear line of sight. We couldn't see anything. And then when we get to within 30 meters, the machine gun team calls out and they're like, hey, they just disappeared. Like, they're gone, our thermals. We can't see anything. So we get up to the site where these figures were at and we're sweeping past it to see if they've somehow invaded the thermals and run away or something. And we never found anything. Never found anything. The only thing, we ever found was on the ground was residual heat that you

could pick up on the thermal from, it was two people or somebody's had been laying there within maybe 30, 40 seconds of us actually getting to their location. And that was, yeah, no explanation for that. Yeah, that is

that's weird, man. I would almost think ghosts, but I don't think a ghost would leave a imprint for the thermal to see. You know what I mean? No, we straight up saw a ghost out there. That was definitely not. It's like this was, I have no idea.

I'm fascinated. Tell me about the ghosts that you saw out there. This was such a banal experience, but it just, it blew my mind because it happened in front of my face and it was so obvious. Totally not exciting story. It was another night, I think this was maybe two years before that incident. And again, we were doing our assault and recapture procedures training. And we finish up. And so our security commander tells us to fall in outside and wait for him to kind of.

Because again, he's out in the desert where you can get good line aside and watch the whole thing. And so we're waiting for him. We're formed up, waiting for him. And where we're at, there was a small row of buildings in front of us, which were from like the 50s or 60s. and on one of the buildings, we knew that there was a stair that you could use to get like a metal rung stair that you could use

to get up to the top of it. And as we're kind of just sitting there, you know, BSing, waiting, I look up and there's a figure standing there. And this is maybe only about 50 meters away from us, so it's pretty close. And the figure's standing up there, and we figure that's our,

you know, that's our security commander. So a call out to him doesn't respond. So then I go and I go and I grabbed my spotlight, and I blasted on the figure, and the moment the light hits the figure, it just blinks out. Like, it just disappears. And it was in front of like 30 of us. We all saw it happen.

And yeah, I wish it was a more exciting story, but it's just, that was it. Yeah, I'm telling you, man, some of the strangest accounts I've ever heard come from military bases. And it's like when I had Nick on, he's on Instagram on Tales from the Grid Square. is his Instagram account. He actually posts military accounts. Nick's currently serving. And you know,

you hear about all this weird stuff that goes on on these bases, and it makes me think, the government must know this stuff is going on. I mean, there's no way they cannot know. Right. I have no idea. Whatever those two figures were,

I wish that the machine gun team have been actually recording on their thermal. I don't know if they just forgot to and the kind of the heat of the moment. But I really wish they'd been recording so we could have actually seen, you know, well, are these figures, do they look normal man size? Are they larger? Are they smaller?

Like, so we could get some details, you know? Yeah, without a doubt, that would have been nice. Probably would never seen the light of day if they did record it. It reminds me a lot of when I had Rocky Elmore on, the Border Patrol agent, very similar encounter. I'm curious, because you told me we were talking about. off the air that you get storage of the military guys. You ever get anyone talking about a cat man?

Strangely enough, I have. They're not super common. I think I've probably talked to a half a dozen people. It's basically like a... It's built like a Sasquatch, but it has more of a feline terroristics in the face. Yeah, yeah. And do you get...

Like, you heard of anything like around, you know, the Nevada, New Mexico, that kind of area? Yeah, I want to say I've had like, like a total of six people contact me, and five of them were in the Four Corners area where you're talking about. Yeah, absolutely. I've heard of that area, people seeing that thing. Okay, because we, I used to think it was like a, I don't know, no wife's tail out there or something, just something the security guys would tell each other to kind of pass the time, and they just got passed down from, you know, generation and generation. But we, uh, it seems,

like people out there that were there long enough had a story about the catman and it was supposed to be a yeah like you said almost like a saskatch like creature but feline and very agile it could jump over the fence lines it was supposed to be really fast we saw something similar one time at a distance i was uh i was on an exterior patrol so it was outside of like the actual restricted area and me and my partner pulled our truck over. We're kind of just BSing, passing the time, maybe four in the morning or so. And in the distance behind this, there was a facility where the Air Force Red Horse guys would practice like using their heavy equipment.

Those are the guys that build facilities and stuff. And they would practice using their heavy equipment out there. So we knew that there was two small buildings there. We knew the size dimensions and all that of the buildings. As we're kind of sitting there just BSing out of the corner of my eye, catch a figure over by one of the buildings. And I'm watching it, and it seems to kind of be watching us. So I didn't want to draw attention.

I didn't want to make it obvious that we'd spotted it. So I kind of lowered my voice, and I told my partner, I was like, hey, man, look over at the Red Horse building. Tell me what you see on that southeast corner. And so kind of notch a line. He takes a glance. like, is that a person up there? I'm like, I don't know.

Just keep talking. Just keep telling the story you were telling. And then while he's talking, I'm casually kind of reaching over in the bed of the truck and pulling out my night vision. And I put the night vision up and take a look. And there's a figure. You can't really get any good details because it was so dark. And there was cloud cover.

Night vision still needs a little bit of ambient light. But it was clearly a figure. And then kind of sit there and watching without really drawing attention to ourselves and it darts across from one building to next and i'm not even going to estimate size because i had no good reference for size the distance was too great but uh it was definitely i mean it was man-shaped but what really struck me it was how fast it was it was like olympic sprinter fast and when it sprinted over to the other building it stood it waited there out of sight so it must be behind the building and then it sprinted back to the first

building and it just kept doing this. It did it a good like eight, ten times, just sprinting back and forth, back and forth. We watched it for, I don't know, maybe a good 15 minutes of it just sprinting back and forth and waiting and then it would sprint again. And then finally it stopped and my partner's like, hey, should we, should we call that in and go out there? I was like, man, that's outside of area responsibility. I don't want to sit there. I don't want to have to, you know, write a report on some strange sprinting figure that neither of us can really see. So I'm like, I'll tell you what, if it comes closer, we'll call it in. But if not, that's outside our A-O. Yeah, I don't blame you. You know, the one that really stands out from that area

at a New Mexico deputy almost hit one. And he described basically the body of a Sasquatch and the head of a lion. It was one of the very first accounts I ever took of that. And, you know, I'd never heard of such a thing before, but I have heard of it since then. What made you think it was a cat man as opposed to a Sasquatch? It was very skinny. Like, you could tell it was skinny. It just, it wasn't bulky. At that point in time, I hadn't seen, I hadn't had like my own Bigfoot encounter. That came actually, or last year, it was the first time I actually had a big encounter and haven't seen that in comparison this thing there was i mean unless it was an aminic bigfoot you know that's starving to death but i i just made me think of catman just because we

we kept hearing stories about this and uh one of my one of my buddies said that he actually had one one jumped into the bed of his truck and he was terrified i remember him calling over the radio requesting the in process because he was absolutely terrified and we all kind of made fun of them and made fun of this story. Until, you know, when morning broke and we went to turn in our weapons and stuff, and he's like, go look in the bed of that truck. And we're all kind of joking around, you know, messing with them. We go look in the bed of the truck.

And there's like these massive scratches and, like, claw marks in the bed of the truck. Or like, are you sure it wasn't like a mountain line or something? And he's like, no, I'm telling you, this thing was on two feet. And it jumped to the bed of that truck and try to come to the cab window in the back. And he said he just gunned it and pulled out and the thing fell. And, like, as it fell, it tried to catch itself. And that's why I left those deep gouge marks. That's crazy, man.

Yeah, I've heard some strange accounts like the cat. I hate the name Catman, Dogman. It sounds so dumb. But, you know, that's really how people are describing it, manlike. And I've heard so many weird, strange encounters that people have. I mean, stuff you've never heard on the air. I've talked to people off there. And it seems like it's happening more.

It seems like more, more people are seeing these strange entities cryptids than ever before in history. What are your thoughts on that? You know, I've been thinking about that a lot lately. Despite like the stuff I've experienced and stuff, like, you know, 99% of my brain is still like there's a logical explanation. There's a very natural explanation for whatever happens. whatever you saw. But even despite that, like, I can't, you know, I watch your show. I watch a few other shows.

I do a lot of research on stuff like this for my job. And, you know, you can't deny that there's so widely reported. There's so many reports. Are you seriously telling me every single person is a liar or, you know, a bad observer? I just, I think what's becoming increasingly obvious is we, we don't really live in the world that we, you know, that we think we live in. I think, you know, that there is stuff out there. The internet shows like yours has made it easier for people to come forward and to

share their stories. And I don't think any of this is new. I just think that the access to the information is new. And I hope more people kind of come forward. You know, I debated about this whole thing. But after my Bigfoot thing, like I got so much fun. flack about it that I was like, you know what, if nobody comes forward and like stands their ground and says, no, this is what I saw. Like, if you want to question, you know, my story, fine,

but like this is exactly what I saw. This is my character. This is my background. I am a good observer. I know for a fact, I'm a good observer. And it's just, you know, like, I feel like people need to stand up for what they've seen and it encourages other people. I had one girl comfort forward out of the blue when she realized that I wasn't making fun of the Bigfoot topic. I was being very serious about it. And she kind of pulled me to the side and she's like, hey, I haven't told anyone this. But when I was like 18 years old, I had one step out right in front of me in the middle of a blizzard. And she's like, I wasn't going to say anything about it. But I saw that you were being serious. Like you weren't making fun of it. Yeah, you bring up some good points, Josh.

I mean, maybe it's more of access to information and it just seems like it's happening more that definitely could be. And, you know, with regard to eyewitnesses, if you're very sincere and very genuine, most, I've never had an eyewitness not tell me exactly what happened. And it's because I don't see here and laugh at them. You know, who am I? I've seen a nine foot tall monkey run into the woods and who am I to sit here and judge anyone? You know, my question, though, with all this weird stuff that people are reporting in these weird entities is where are they coming from? I can't really speak to like the lights or those figures that only one sort of thermals could pick up.

Though interestingly on that, I did hear a CIA guy once say like, oh, I love hearing UFO reports because every time I hear a UFO report, let's know that when someone's looking up into the sky, they're not thinking, you know, U.S. aircraft, they're thinking UFO. But I think as far as like Sasquatch and Bigfoot, I think the historical. record clearly shows they've always been here. Like, they're nothing new. They've always been there. It's just nobody's wanted to talk about it because no one wants to get ridiculed and you listen, you know, because you talk to a lot of these old-timers, they don't tell people about their experiences. It's something that they live with and they just don't talk about it, either because they're afraid of it or, you know, outsiders aren't

going to believe them anyways. Yeah, that's a good point, Josh. And you're right, there is a long history of Sasquatch. you know, the Native Americans were talking about it long before we got here. And it's not just the United States. I mean, it's countries all around the world. Tell me about your Sasquatch encounter. When did it happen? And if you would, just kind of walk us into it.

Sure. It was last May in Oregon. It was actually for the show that I worked for. We were trying something new. So we thought, well, let's look. into this whole big foot phenomenon and stuff. And I'd always I'd always been interested in it.

I wasn't really a believer, but I did, when I really looked at the evidence, especially the footprint evidence, I thought was really compelling. I was like, okay, this, like, there could really be something here. So we went up to central Oregon.

I forget the name of the forest there. But we stayed out there. We were supposed to stay out there five days. We ended up leaving early. because a really bad weather set in. But almost from the moment we got there, we started getting weirdness. When we were unpacking our stuff,

we started getting this smell that kind of drifted into the campsite. And it was that like sewagey, skunky, you know, it wasn't bear. I smelled bear. You know, I smelled elk. It wasn't that. It was like a really weird sewagey, very skunky, very skunky, like human B.O. type smell.

We didn't really think too much of it. We probably should have in hindsight. We didn't really think too much of it. We set up our camp. We had dinner that night. We turned into our tents. And I was sharing a tent with a girl. Then it was my friend Matt, who was in his own tent.

And then the other girl had her own tent. And in our tent, maybe 30 minutes after we killed the fire and went to bed. We heard something like come by the tent and it was like it brushed by the tent. It made me think of like maybe something had like lightly brushed its fingers along the side of the tent. It was really obvious. And we both kind of me and the girl like immediately kind of widen our eyes and we were like trying to hear. I was specifically trying to see if I could hear, you know, how many footsteps there were like is it like, is it like, is it a bear? Is it an elk that may be brushed by the tent or something?

I couldn't really hear anything, though. We just heard that. The next morning, though, our other girlfriend, she comes out and she's like, hey, something, I think something was trying to, like, get in my tent last night. And she said that what happened with her, which was shortly after something brushed by our tent, but something went to her tent and she said it pushed in on the side of the tent. And then she could see it go down the side of the tent to the bottom. And she said, said that it looked like it was trying to dig under the tent to see if it could get up under the wall of the tent. But because of the tent floor, it obviously couldn't. Whatever it was, it freaked her out enough that the next morning, she actually went and she cut down a bunch of branches and she put them all around her tent basically to be a barrier, to keep anything from coming to her tent again. That second day, though, as we were, as we were hiking around the area, we started seeing these footprints, and they weren't like, you know, they weren't like these perfect big footprints, but they were very clearly, they had toes, like you could see a heel, they were a good maybe 16, 17 inches. But then we saw these other smaller ones that were about human size, you know, maybe 10, 11 inches or so.

And we were really remote area, so we're like, well, who's running around here, bare feet? foot. It made no sense. And one of my friends was like, well, if these things are real, what if there's smaller ones? You know, there's bound to be like smaller ones, like adolescence. And that made a lot of sense to us. So we found these prints all around the area where we were camping at. When we got back to camp that night, I'm trying to remember the sequence of events correctly. I believe it was the second night that we started hearing grunting

coming from the tree line or on a campsite and it would be shortly after nightfall and you could hear that there was something out there and it would just grunt and it wasn't like a bear grunt. It was almost like a human-type grunt.

It also wasn't anything that was obviously like chimpanzee or something. It really, it honestly made me think of human being. We'd scan like the tree line with our flashlights and we had a pair of night bishop binoculars. Couldn't really see anything though. The third day was when activity really started kind of picking up. On the third day, we went out for another hike.

Oh, I forgot that morning, actually. My friend Matt got woken up because he said that he heard basically what sounded like a tree been ripped out of the ground. So he woke up without waking the rest of us up and he went out to go look and he saw a large, dark figure. darting into the trees as he went out there to go look. He came back, woke me up. He told me what he saw. And he's like, I can't guarantee you I didn't see a bear. So we're like, all right, well, let's just go see what's out there.

So we kind of scan the area. And we keep finding these huge branches that they literally look like they've been ripped off a tree. Like there's no cut marks on them. It's very obvious that you've just been torn. You know, they're all splintered on one end. but the thing that's odd about them is that they didn't match the trees around where we were at and we couldn't find any matching breaks on the trees around us. So it looked like something that ripped a bunch of those branches and transported them outside our camp and kind of thrown them there,

which, you know, I don't understand that. I don't understand that behavior at all. We did also find what might have been the tree that woke my friend up. It was about a good, it was put a good foot around, and it had literally been ripped up out of the ground, leaving the hole in the ground. And the bottom of it was just all splintered and torn. It was actually really impressive. I think we found a print or what looked like a print, but we couldn't be sure. And it was like a bed of moss.

It very much looked like a print, but nothing that we could readily identify. that day when we left camp to go hiking though I got the idea I was like I'm going to take an apple and I'm just going to sit down on the tree stump outside the outside the camp to see what happens so we go out hiking we come back like four or five hours later

and we come back the apples gone and I'm like oh that's cool but it was just sitting on a tree stump you know it's not evidence of anything it could be a deer that came up and ate that apple so I went and I grabbed another apple and I took this one and I stabbed it up onto the tree a good 12, 13 feet up high. And there's still, you know, some big buck could still kind of rear up there with its legs and get it. But it was pretty high. We go back to

camp and when we walk into the camp as we're kind of taking our gear off and stuff, realize there's a massive footprint right next to the fire pit. And when we spot the footprint, we start looking around thinking, oh crap, we've been trampling this campsite. We could have been trampling other prints and we might have but we uh we kind of cordoned off that footprint we took several photos of it and it was it was an obvious obvious print a good 16 17 inches if i remember right um you could see all five toes the heel and what was really impressive about it is we tried to kind of replicate the actual death of the track and we couldn't the ground was just too hard we couldn't even make an indent on the ground, but this print was a good few centimeters. I forget how many

centimeters deep it was. But it required weight, like significant weight to leave this print behind. We sat in camp when we kind of ate lunch and then went out to get more firewood. And we went out to get firewood, realized that the apple was gone. So within an hour or so something that come up and grab that apple. So we start investigating seeing maybe we can get lucky and see if there's more prints, whether it's bare print, deer, or Bigfoot, I guess. And as we're looking for prints, my friend finds the half-eaten apple

that's behind an overturned tree. And when you go behind the overturned tree, it actually perfectly covered up line of sight to our camp. Like, you could observe our camp, but you couldn't be seen behind that tree. The apple had been half-eaten, and the half that hadn't been eaten was the half that had the sticker on it,

because I forgot to remove the sticker. and as we're looking around, we actually spot a piece of skin that had been torn off that had the sticker from the first apple. So something had eaten that entire first apple, but had taken the time to peel the skin around the sticker off and throw that sticker and the skin on the ground. That's just not, deer don't do that, bear don't do that. They don't care about stickers, like, and they don't have fingers either to peel stuff like that. we left the next morning, but that night is when we really had activity pick up around the campsite. Something came to the campsite and started banging sticks together. It wasn't like the tree knocks that you hear about.

It was very obviously sticks, like smaller sticks. And it was just banging these smaller sticks together rhythmically. It also grunted at us several times. and at one point my friend said that she thought she saw it in the shadows of the trees. So we were sitting around the campfire and she says, oh shit, I think I see it. I think it's standing right there.

So I'm like, okay, don't react. You know, just be cool. I'm going to hand you the night vision of binoculars and just casually, you know, casually take a look at this thing because you hear reports that as soon as you kind of to spot them is when they go to ground and stuff. So the rest of those act totally normal.

We keep talking and stuff. And she takes the night vision of binoculars. She brings them up. And this was my mess up. I hadn't trained her properly in the use of them. But she thought that she was recording video. And unfortunately, she actually was taking a still. But she took a still of the figure thinking it was video.

And it was standing still. So she said basically, okay, I can't. tell if it really is a figure. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to move away, still recording, and then after 10 seconds, I'll come back. And if the figure's gone or changed, then I know that that's really what it is. And we'll have it on video the entire time. So she kind of panned away 10 seconds later.

She pans back, and she's like, oh, shit, the figure's gone. Like, it absolutely was something that was standing there. But because it wasn't a video, we couldn't see that. We just had that initial kind of photo of it. And in the photo, you can see what looks like a, I mean, it's a blob squatch, but you can see what looks like the cone head, the big arm, the big shoulder. When she said it was gone, I kind of looked over in that direction. And I can't, you know, I can't confirm that I really saw something.

But I got the impression of a kind of humanoid-shaped shadow amongst the trees for like a few moments. and it was large. Like it was it was very big. Again, I don't have good size for nothing to really reference the size of it.

I can't make a good estimate. But it was man size, at least man size and just bulky, very, very bulky. That's why when you asked me earlier about,

you know, what makes you think that that thing that was running wasn't a Sasquatch because, man, compared to that figure, like,

it was, it was, you know, like starving. It was emaciated compared to that figure. Yeah, and I know this was a few years back. Do you still happen to have that picture? I do somewhere, yeah. I can send it to you. I've got it somewhere.

I can find it. Yeah, I would love to. I'd love to see them. So obviously the next day you guys leave, did anything else happen while you were there? We heard the like grunt. And that was the, only vocalization we really heard from, at least from that thing, was those grunts.

We did hear far off in a distance a weird screaming, moaning howl. And I'm aware of Cougar. I know what Cougar sounds like. They can scare the daylight side of you if you're not ready for it. It sounds like a woman being murdered sometimes. And I know the elk bellows. It wasn't anything like that. It was just this weird, long, mull.

and towards the end it turned into like a howl. But it was really far away. It wasn't anywhere near us. And I'm glad because I would probably shit my pants if it was nearest. Yeah, I hear you, man. Let me ask you, after all these years of this weird stuff that has happened to you, with regard to Sasquatch, if someone were to ask you, hey, Josh, what is Sasquatch? What would you say to them?

And there's no wrong answer, of course. I think they're natural. I think they are a relic hominoid, hominoid species. But diving into the subject, I think they're more than that. I remember you had an interview with a guy who said that he got invited by an older woman to her property. And she had them there living with her, basically. Like the young ones would go into her house and she was kind of like babysitting them and stuff. And he was telling all these details about them.

And I remember that he said that she referenced to them as a people. And I think that's right. I think they're very culturally intelligent. I think they have a culture. I think they are on that level to where they could be considered of people, not like us, maybe not as intelligent as us. Or maybe their intelligence is involved in a different direction. You have that in the animal kingdom.

specialized intelligence. But I think they're more than an animal. I know there's reports of them with like orbs and stuff. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. And I don't discount that. You know, I'm not going to be the guy that's going to be the unreasonable skeptic.

Because there's too many of those reports. I've listened to your show. There's a ton of people reporting that they've seen these things with lights and orbs. I can't discount that. You know, I don't know what that is. But I'm not going to claim that I know that it doesn't exist.

Yeah, I hear you. So you think it's more of a wild animal. And you could be right, Josh. Like I said, no one really knows. You know, I really enjoyed chatting with you. And thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show and share the different events that happened to you in your life. Thanks, man.

I appreciate listening and, you know, there being a platform for people to start putting some light on this phenomenon. Thanks for the kind of words, ma'am. And thanks for coming on. And I got this piece of audio, the witness who identifies as Matt writes, We didn't want to post this when it happened, but maybe it's time to share. Hopefully, someone can help me identify what this was. December 25th, 2021, my mama and Daisy were going to bed and heard something creeping around outside her window, which was open.

And it started growling and saying, stuff. It came up last night and it freaked me out again. You have to listen. Can't see anything in the video. You can hear it say I'm fun in the beginning. I've cleaned up the audio and leveled it out for you guys. Let's take a listen. Dear Lord, I'm not qualified to give you advice here, Matt. But if you're wondering what West Gummer would do, I'd go get me a shotgun. preferably a Mossburg. I'd take the plug out and I'd fill that thing full of slugs. Just don't know when a game warden catch you with it. And if that doesn't work, go find a man of God. But what do I know? I'm just a simple country boy.