Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:832 Its Face Was A Man's Face

Episode Date: February 26, 2022

Tonight I will be speaking to Gabriel who is from California where his encounter happened. This took place 32 years ago. Gabriel and his friends had a run in with a creature but not before finding something strange. Here is the full report: https://sasquatchchronicles.com/its-face-was-a-mans-face/

I was listening to a bunch of different sounds the other day, and this really fascinated me. I thought I'd share it with you guys. I put it up on the blog on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You know what's fascinating is when you listen to all these different recordings from different states, they all kind of sound alike. Or at least they're making the same kind of noise. This recording was sent to me by a listener. This happened in Maine back in 2012. It really kind of reminds me of the Ohio Howl.

This is the Ohio Hal recorded in 1994. They sound a lot of like, don't they? B.FRO investigator, Jim Sherman, recorded this in Michigan. I believe this was in 2013. Let's take a listen. I'm telling you that Jim Sherman is underrated. From that same property, he also got this vocal, try not to pay attention too much to the freak in the front yelling.

Pay attention to the one in the background. It sounds like it's making that same kind of air raid type sound. And this last one was captured back in 1983 in Fort Payne, Alabama. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the earblind. It either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

It sounded like a language, and they were chomtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. Madeline what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in.

Uh-uh. Hi, this is Carol King from Music City, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show playing for you. My guest is Gabriel, and I had to laugh a little bit when I first spoke to Gabriel. He'd never heard of the podcast. He'd never listened to it before.

He thought I'd wrote blogs, and he had read some of them on social media. And as him and I got to talking, I think he thought I was just going to do it right up and put it online. And I asked him if he'd come on the show and share what happened to him over 32 years ago. go. And so he was willing to come on. And thank you, Gabriel, for coming on. I hope you listened to the show in the future. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at saskwatch chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out saskwarch chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Gabriel. Gabriel, thanks for coming on, man. I really

appreciate you being here. How are you? Thank you very much. I'm doing well. Thank you so much for being here. And I know this encounter happened to you 32 years ago. You were 18, 19 years old in California, kind of in the Sierra Nevada's area. If you would, would you start from the beginning and kind of just tell us what were you doing and what happened? We used to always go up to the mountains and hike and just look for little adventures. some of the fellas, and I wouldn't go with them on the times they would go, honey.

That just wasn't my thing. But then a lot of times we went up there just looking to explore anything, you know, just to get away. It was and it was a fun thing to do. The minds were always fun. And back your head, you're always thinking about what you might find. Will you find gold or, you know, your imagination goes? And just becomes a fun thing for the fellows to do. And we had started venturing up from Sequoia National Park from Central California, our normal stomping grounds, and then started venturing upwards towards the Santa Cruz direction, I suppose, or just going upwards and working what we were familiar with.

So just looking for adventure, you know, just fun, just fun. You know, have a little road trip, grab a burger somewhere along the way with some of the truck stops are at. Just having fun. Yeah, I know it kind of starts off that way. It sounds like a good time, but it doesn't quite end that way. Tell me about when you guys went back. I know you guys had found some strange things up there prior to even having an encounter. Holy.

We had been going up there because we were trying to originally relocate an area we had gone up to, and we had come across a brown bear. that was brutalized is the best way to put it. It wasn't bloody, but it was brutal. It had lumps on the body and the head. It was just a sight to see. And so we originally were going back to show other people that we knew that. And that was,

how this whole thing started. And when we'd go back looking, we couldn't locate the exact location, but I guess to speed it up one day. Can I cut you off real quick, Gabriel, before you go on and kind of jump into what happened? When you say the bear was brutalized, what do you mean by that?

Can you kind of define that for me? The best way I could probably describe that is a cartoon. If you've ever watched the old cartoons, when somebody gets hit in the head and that bump just grows, it had bumps like that, you know. On the body, there were, there were just bumps. It was lumpy. Its head was, it had lumps, but there was one side of it that was pushed in.

I don't want to say caved, and I think the proper word would be to say it was pushed in. Yeah, I appreciate you kind of going into a little bit more detail. You know, when I first read your email, what came to my mind was this bear had been beaten to death, basically. You know, there was no blood. You know, I made it a point to look. I mean, you can't help but to be, yeah, you know, there was no blood.

My friend saw no blood. That's the definite memory I have of it. I was not the only one who, of course, saw it. But yeah, there was no blood. And that was kind of what we were going back looking for. you know, we're young and dumb and weren't really thinking much other than, let's go show other people this thing. There were no claw marks that I saw, no blood, no teeth marks, no animals seem to have gotten to it. I think animals tend to get to the dead pretty quick and eat it.

But this didn't have any of that. Yeah, so I kind of understand why you guys went back and being young and curious and, you know, you guys find a bear that look like it had been beaten. I kind of get why you'd go back and take friends back to show them this and go, hey, what the hell you think happened? So you guys go back, kind of walk me into the events that happened, kind of leading up to the encounter. We went back a few times quite a bit. It was just a fun little thing to do.

And, you know, sometimes we would take girls with us because, hey, you know, they're ladies. And, of course, you want to have lady friends. and it got their imagination going too. But for the most part, we didn't find anything, but at some point we went into, and I don't recall exactly if it was a mine or a cave, because it has a few mines up there, and there are, of course, some caves up there.

We went into one of those, I'm going to go with a mine. There were a bunch of, again, beaten up badly and they were coyotes not wolves they were 110% coyotes

and they looked they look bad again they look bad and that was disturbing because it just was man you know you're you're vulnerable

you're vulnerable you're with a bunch of your buddies and you're vulnerable and one person gets scared in that moment it just kind of had a trickling effect that you all get nervous and scared. I think being human, you have more of a compassion when you see a coyote brutalized because it's a dog, you know, you relate to it and it's disturbing. Seeing a bear, which I hear is extremely rare, you see it and you're like, wow, that's a bear. And you're going to feel bad for it, of course, you know, I did.

But when you see these dogs or coyotes or coyotes, the one that freaked me out, and one of them was in a shape of a checkmark or a V. Its back was broken. It just was in a V. Yeah, so, you know, that upset a lot of us, and a lot of people wanted to go back and beat up the people who did that because, you know, coming out from the people. from the 80s and early 90s, you know, heavy metal was a big thing. We all had long hair and some of us kind of kicked around the idea. Was this a cult, a satanic thing?

Or, you know, we didn't have much of an expansion to think from of knowledge of the possibilities or probabilities of what could it be. And, you know, you see some hurt coyotes. And they were, again, it was not something you've really, care to see if you're an animal lover. Yeah, that would be hard to kind of look at. You know, I'm not a huge fan of coyotes, but I'm very much against torturing an animal. And I would be upset just like you were.

And I know in the 80s, we thought it was a satanic colts doing everything. I grew up during that time, so I know what you mean. But, you know, seeing this, it would upset me because if it is a poacher or a person or whatever, it's not killing to eat. It's just killing to kill. Yeah, exactly. There was, again, that I remember at this point, no blood. I do not see anything torn apart. I have no memory of that. So I stick with my memory being accurate from that time. But I do know that a couple of my buddies said they had saw some blood. And I took that. I don't remember the exact words they said pervade them. I just remember that they saw blood, but it wasn't associated with the animal. torn open so I don't know if blood spilled from its mouth or if maybe they saw it was bashed against the side of the rock cave or mine or whatever yeah very disturbing so what kind of happens next we left we left we went down pretty quick uh we kind of turned on each other

uh we started arguing you know a couple of the fellows wanted to stay and some of them wanted to you know It was a disturbing thing, but we acted disturbed too. I look back at it now at the age I am at 50, and I look back at that and think, we were scared and angry, but we didn't want to show it, so we went to what we resorted to, which is acting very tough, not knowing how to handle a situation. That was basically it, you know. We were upset with one another, taking it out on each other.

some of us visibly shaking and scared wanting to go some couple of the fellas two particular the guys wanted to stay it just wasn't going to happen you know we're just all going to lead together safer that way so i remember uh some of the thoughts that we were saying back and forth were we being stocked by people growing drugs up in the mountains i mean the furthest thing really was the last final event going up there. Yeah, and before we jump into the final event, I wanted to ask you, you know, you find the bear, which I could see it build your curiosity, but now you're finding coyotes in the same condition. And you guys are 18, 19 years old.

Did you ever think about going to your folks or going to law enforcement and being like, hey, there's something going on up there. At the very least, I think it's a weird poacher up there, killing animals, torturing them. You know, nobody did that. And that was a big conversation that we did have. Nobody did it. Nobody did it. Nobody felt comfortable doing it.

Nobody wanted to do it. The idea was kind of brought up. We were kind of like, don't tell anybody. I can 110% tell you that most of us, and I'm one of them, thought, hey, if something's going on up there, we don't want to get pegged with it. So yeah, no, not a good thing. I think some of the fellas told some of the parents, in fact, I'm sure of it, but I can't give you with 110% accuracy who they told and what they said.

Because I don't remember basically. You know, it was kind of just, it never, nothing ever came of it. But yeah, you know, going to the Rangers or the police, yeah, I just remembered that nobody just was really big on the idea. and one of it was being, who would be in on it? If something's going on there, who would be in on it? And are we going to get in trouble for it? Because, again, we're young little long-haired headbangers just having fun.

And it just, you know. Yeah, and I think when you explain it like that, I get it. I get completely what you mean. That probably would have crossed my mind, too, being in that situation. Let me ask you, was there times where you guys, went up to this area and nothing ever happened. You guys weren't finding mangled body parts of animals. Yeah, yeah. There was a few times that when we did go up, nothing happened, and it became more of a fun event the way it should have been, just hanging out and kicking stones around,

looking for snakes, lizards, he would take the girls with you. And, you know, it was just being fun. A lot of times it did turn into that. This was a common thing to do. It was a common thing to do in high school. You take off in the weekends. And when it's the summertime, you go up there to the mountains quite often. You know, some people who go to the desert and do, play in the mud with their, you know, older friends in the four by fours or whatever. But, you know, it's pretty common to go to the lakes and try new places out and be the first to tell your friends that you want somewhere and take them to it. So, yes, a lot of times we'd go up and it was just a normal, fun event. Well, if you would, take me back to the moment where you guys had this encounter with this creature. You guys are obviously in this area. You go all the time. Walk me into it. What happened?

We went back and it was a large group. Five of the guys were close friends of mine, really close. Some of them we went back to Cub Scout. you know, they grew up a block away from me. You know, we were really close. The fun was going above the tree line, you know, where it's a little harder to breathe, just a little more, you have more of a view and to see your distance. There's more room to run around, but we went above the tree line because that's where,

oddly enough, where we came across the mines and whatnot in the caves, but the coyotes and your bear. Your bear was a wee bit north of the dense tree line. There were some trees around in that area, but it was north of the foresty part. So we went back up there, and we were just coming down, just hitting towards where it's thicker,

getting away from the rocky area in the caves. the minds we were all together but we weren't you know we were all feet apart and some of us were further out at the edge and we started walking down and i can't tell you who was the first person who was seen it but i can tell you when i first saw it and it wasn't even far it was big it wasn't moving and it kind of tricked my brain out. And when I say we, because I had this conversation with the guys a lot of times afterwards, they had the same experience. So when other people saw it, I can't, I remember chatter in my head. And I don't know if that was who's saying what to, what is that, or don't move or run. I don't know. But my mind was so focused on what I was looking at, but not comprehending

what I was looking at, if that makes sense. Yeah, can I ask you, the chatter you heard, was it like, was it your voice? I mean, was it kind of like, you know, all of us have in our mind goes, run, run, you know, that sort of thing. Was it like that or was it something very different? It was both. There were a lot of thoughts going through my head, but I heard the people, the guys around me talking, but I couldn't make out what it was. it was just chatter. I was so my brain kind of went into this.

I don't even know what to say. I was looking at it. I was still moving towards it. And I just heard chatter. It's like everything else got drained out, put into the distance. Have you ever boxed? Yeah, I love it.

I do it now. You ever been hit really head in the head? Yeah. And everything, yeah, okay. So everything is just kind of removed. You're not knocked out, but you're out on your feet. People are talking to you, but you can't hear what they're saying. It's chatter.

Oh, I understand what you mean now. It wasn't chatter you were hearing from some other weird creature, you know, in your head. You were hearing your buddies around you going, what is that, that sort of thing. And I get what you mean, you know, kind of like being hit in the head. Sometimes you get that tunnel vision and you're the ringing in your ears. And it's kind of that auditory. sense that we use seems to shut down in moments like this. If you would, would you describe what you were looking at? I'm going to describe to you what I saw as a big, hairy, I don't know what to call.

I don't know the respectful term. Do you want to refer to it as a bigfoot? A wild hairy man, beast? I don't know what the honorable thing is to refer to it as. Oh, you can refer to it as whatever you want. Okay, and I mean this with all respect to It was it was just big It was big, it was hairy It had a face It had a face

And that was very confusing It had a Above its eyes It was it was a big boned up there Now if you look at a gorilla You know how their mouths protrude outward somewhat This didn't do that It had a face

It as it closer, I saw its lips. I saw lips. The other fellas saw lips. But when I first saw it, and when I say, I, please keep in mind, there were other people who just instinctively did the same thing. And I don't know if it was a group survival thing where, you know, maybe a pack of deer walking in that one year stops or the other stop. I don't know if that's what some basic instinct was, but none of us moved. So I stared at it. it along with the others, I'm sure, well, just a couple minutes. It seemed like a couple minutes, and maybe I have that wrong, maybe it was seconds, but it seemed like a couple minutes.

We were going downward. It was coming upward. Oh, I got you. You guys are really face-to-face walking towards each other. Yes, we're going to cross towards one another. Now, when I go back and say that I couldn't make out what I was looking at, I knew. that it had arms, the chest, neck, torso, but I couldn't understand and comprehend what it was. It just seemed unreal, back to that being punched in the head. And then it started walking our direction right through us. And this was probably when I first noticed it, I'm going to say the distance instead of speaking, yards or feet. If you take an old-fashioned school bus, those big orange ones, yellow, maybe two, three at the most, two and a half distance, it was just right there.

It didn't look phase. It didn't do anything. I don't know what to say at that point. And anyway, it started walking towards us. I wanted to run. I tried to run. My feet wouldn't move. And the funny thing is when we eventually got down to our vehicles and trucks and everything,

I wasn't the only one who had this experience where you couldn't move. I've never experienced that at all in my life. I'll relate this back to boxing when you feel fear and your coach tells you to use it. You've got to have to think through it so it doesn't, you don't get frozen with fear. I guess is what it was, was being frozen with fear. I remember a lot of what I saw a lot, but there's no way to remember what the experience without remembering the emotion that went with it. Too overwhelming.

Yeah, it's very overwhelming. And, you know, it's like every emotion in your body you're experiencing all at once, you know, fear, horror, shock, it all kind of hit you at once. I get what you mean. Let me ask you, so when you first see it, it's more like an outline and it's walking towards you. And as it's getting closer and closer, you can see more of it.

Did the creature's face, did the expression change at all? Its expression didn't give me any expression. And when I'm saying this, this is also stuff of the conversation I had with the other fellas. No one said anything too much different. If I remember something else someone threw it, I will definitely

tell you. But no, it didn't. Um, its hair was black, but then there was red in it. And again, it's coming late in the day, so the sun's hitting on it. So I could tell you it was just, it would look like a predominantly black hair creature. Um, some of the hair was long on it on its backside. Some of the hair looked thinner in areas than on its back where it looked more furry on the back. Parts of its arms were, um, parts of its arms were, not as and it looked like some of their hair had thinned out, especially under the neck. It was built like a block, but each individual body part was round. Am I making sense? Like if you were to take each body part, it looked muscular and round. But put together as one, its overall composition was very blocky.

as it went by me I'm going to say it was literally five, seven feet but the side of its thigh its hair was missing and I guess looking back at it

that kind of makes sense if its arms are always going back and forth maybe it's going to rub the hair raw I do remember its arms coming up and I remember at one point I don't even know when his hand came up

its fingers kind of at the top part closed and that scared me probably more than anything at that moment because a lot of thoughts do you go through your mind I just didn't know if that thing was going to make a fist and hit me or it was it just scared me bad

I don't know if it was going to grab me just my mind caught that and my brain warned me immensely to that. Yeah, I think as a human, that would be my first thought, too. After hearing encounters, it's my opinion. It's probably a good thing it did that because it meant it wasn't really going to do anything to guys. That's my opinion, though.

It really means nothing. Let me ask you, so when it's walking towards you guys, is it looking at anyone? This thing looks straight ahead. I mean, I don't know what it's, it's, I. I don't know how I didn't, you know, there's no way I could recall if its eyes were going left or right, but his head was straight. Its eyes were dark. And as it got close to me, there was enough that I could see in its eyes that there seemed to be a gray, white film over it. And I was always curious about that.

Almost like it's going blind or something. I don't know if it's. That would, I guess, maybe it's unhealthy, but I always remember there was a film of stumping over its eyes. Its eyes, oh, small ears. It had small ears compared to its overall head. I'm going to say its ears were smaller than mine. It had small ears.

It had a broad nose. Its eyes, the way I'm going to refer to it, were like almond shape. I can see cheekbones. So did some of the other. Some, after we were collected together as a group, some of the guys didn't look. And I don't blame them. I was stuck. Yeah, that small detail about the eyes, you know, reminds me I have a pit bull.

And he's getting up there in age, and he kind of has that milky look in his eyes. And he's going blind, but really is what it is. And I almost wonder if that's what was going on here. I mean, who knows, it could have been something else. and when this thing's walking towards you guys, you guys are 18, 19 years old at this point. How much bigger is it than you? It was too big.

It was too big. It was too big. It's kind of like if you think you're looking in the middle of a car, its broadness was like that from the hood of a car. You know, if you stand in front of a, what do we have here? We have an El Camino. So if I'm standing in front of this El Camino, its broadness seemed like this.

like that. One of my friends is six foot three, six four. This thing was taller than him. It didn't have any heavy footsteps. I mean, I know I've seen things where they say you're going to hear footsteps. There was no thud, no anything. But at the same time, as I mentioned earlier, the chattering of my buddies was drowned out. So maybe that was drowned out.

I don't recall again, cumulatively, when we all spoke later, no one could recall any heavy thuds when it walked. It was very big. I saw hands. I saw close enough to see through some of the skin where you can see the muscles. Paches of the skin were dry, like scaly, and reddish. And it definitely had that underneath its eyes.

Yeah, there's a lot of reports of their skin. People report it like leather, very dry, kind of like dried out leather. And I wonder if that's really the makeup of their skin or if it's from exposure or poor health. It's really hard to say. It's strange, though. I wouldn't know where to begin. I really don't.

I don't know if that's just living up there in that environment, living in the wild like that. I don't know if it's diet. I don't know if it's age. I wouldn't even know where to, to really. really logically guess. I know nothing about, if I have to say it, primates, I know nothing of the aging process in humans living out there, spending their lives out there, you know, I just would probably have to relate it to an older dog, I guess, you know, when they get rashes or something, but I couldn't say. As it was coming towards you, did you get the impression

that it was male or female, or did you not get an impression one way or another? I didn't have a feeling one way or the other, but I'm going to go with it. It was a male because I saw its nipple. It didn't have breast at all. I saw its chest area, and I saw a nipple. So to me, that resonates as a man. Again, knowing nothing of primates or what this big foot person was, is I saw under from the chin.

Okay, it was big, almost neckless, like lack of neck, but yet under from the chin to the upper part of the chest, you can see where there's space, the neck, that would be the neck area. I saw, you know, more flesh there to match with the face. There was no, there was no hair around the mouth. it was completely hairless. One of my friends,

I do recall, and I never looked back to see this, so his angle must have been facing another way. Like, what I'm saying is one of my friends,

his back must have been facing it to begin with. So he saw the backside, a good look at it, and said that there were claw marks on its back with, and it looked bloody.

I have zero regulation of, anything like that. And I'm believing him to the detail. I mean, yeah, so there was that if that helps. Yeah, every detail definitely helps that you can remember. And I know we're going back many years. As it passed by, do you recall if there was an odor?

No odor. No odor, no sound. Oh, its mouth was a smidgen open. And I saw teeth. they look like normal teeth they did there were not fangs they're just human teeth yeah and i could be off on your description but i mean it's really close now and it's kind of passing by you guys um so are you getting the impression it's more animal like or it's more manlike kind of what was your impression was more manlike and what did you think you were running

into at this point bigfoot I don't even like saying that off my lips. I just don't even like saying that word because it seems, just seems wrong. Just seems wrong. It was a human of something different. It's like this. The way I say human, this is the best way I could express it.

I have never hunted. If I catch a fish, I put it back in the way. the lake. I have friends who have hunted. They said the same thing. They wouldn't feel right aiming a gun at it because it doesn't resonate as, as you said, animal. It's, it's human. There's too much to relate to it. You get a feeling. It's like if you see a deer, you get a feeling of, oh, I love it. It's cute. It's adorable. I guess if you were out somewhere and you ran into a crocodile. you may not get that feeling.

You might be interested, but you don't have that feeling that it's going to inspire from you. This thing inspired a lot of things, but the impression is it's human. It's close to it. I don't know what to say that. I really don't. Yeah, and I know it's been many years since you've looked into this,

but I'm telling you, Gabriel, a lot of eyewitnesses that come forward, they'll make the same statement that you just made. You know, it looked very human-like. I saw the face of a man. I saw the skin for the most part or on its facial part, at the least, was an off tan outside of the reddeny and the scales and the patchy, black scaly stuff, scabby stuff, I guess, dried skin. There were parts of its body that, again, their hair was longer, you know, in parts of the body, parts of the hair was shorter. and some parts of the area it would stand out.

So you could see what I would say would be the body of a man underneath there. The faces is the most bizarre. That's the thing. That's where I don't know what to say. I don't know how to say. I feel more emotion right now than I do that I can logically say anything about it in description without it being influenced by a lot of my emotion. but I would I would I would suspect that these people who go looking for it and I've thought about this often and by the way none of us other than my friend Toby or Tobias none of us stay in touch much long after that just we just didn't but what do you say because if people go up they're looking for it I think if somebody does try to hurt it you're going to know pretty

quickly that you're going to instinctually feel you did something wrong. Yeah, I understand the way you feel, and I understand where you're coming from on it. You know, but I do caution you a little bit. I think the notion that you're going to run into North America's fun-loving forest giant is delusional thinking. I think in most situations, if you don't mess with them, they won't mess with you. If you just kind of leave, they'll leave you alone. There is situations where that doesn't apply, and they don't.

leave you alone. And I think there's ill intent going on. But, you know, who knows, that's more or less my opinion from talking to eyewitnesses, but, you know, I could be 100% wrong. Can I ask you, you know, as it was walking towards you guys and it just kind of goes past you, it doesn't look in your direction. Why do you think, what do you make of that behavior of it just walking past you guys? I've had a few thoughts on that. Um, We weren't a priority. We were irrelevant. It had nothing to fear.

It had a different objective. Maybe it could, I've always heard animals can instinctively smell the fear on you or sense it. Maybe it had that same ability to sense it. That's actually a really good point, Gabriel. I don't know that I've ever heard anyone say that. You know, like a dog that can sense fear. Maybe it has that sense, you know, it's hard to see. say and then the whole vision thing. I really wonder about the description of the eyes.

I would agree with everything you said and add one more thing. You guys were going up there all the time. You guys had found these weird kills. It probably had been watching you guys for a long time and realized there wasn't fear. You guys aren't poachers. You guys are just a bunch of kids up there screwing around. It probably had been watching you guys for a long time. That's my opinion, though. That's a scary thought. That's a real scary thought. But yeah, I guess that would be like when people go hiking a mountain lion knows of your whereabouts before you ever even know it. And if it wants you, it can. Yeah. So it walks past you guys and it's kind of gone now. Do you guys run back to the car? No, we did go directly to the car to get our way out. We didn't run immediately. And I mean,

we we we we we maybe somebody did um you walked fast and when you felt like it was good to run then you ran and when one person ran we all ran it's kind of like you were creeping off without wanting to upset it you didn't want to disturb it you don't want to kick a stone you don't want to do anything abrupt but you wanted to get out of there and as soon as you were in the clear then you ran for it Yeah, it's smart. It's smart how you guys left. When this was all said and done, did you ever talk to anyone about what you had seen, you know, besides the people that were there? Yeah. You know, some of the guys told other people and that was rough to deal with. Yeah, that's kind of what made us all stop, want to not talk to one another because when you're friends, you think you have each other's backs.

And to this day, I like, you know, to think that I will have a friend's back, a family member, of course. But it all unthreaded that day. And we all openly admitted we were scared. Some of the guys did defecate. I threw up. And I don't think it was from the running down. I think my body was just that stressed out. I don't know what you know.

You know, I was just stumbling around the other night. every now and then I think about this and I go deep into it in my head. And I start thumbing around bold books, internet, and start looking for seeing if somebody's caught something that's credible to me to logically understand. So I don't have the question of, like you asked, did it seem more human or man? And I was bouncing around from the internet to the Instagram

and looking and reading. And when I came across doors, without a hesitation, I just started telling what happened. It just felt more of a relief. Yeah, I appreciate the kind of words, Gabriel. And I really appreciate you coming forward and sharing it, you know, encounters are something that is very personal to people. And so I really do appreciate the fact that you would come on. How did this, you know, this experience, how did it kind of affect you over the years? for the longest time afterwards on my own time that I was I've never drank I don't drink

so I just felt what I felt depression anxiety yeah there were nightmares and I still have nightmares every now and then far between to this day but in the nightmares I am never seeing that day or the person slash creature. What I am experiencing from those nightmares from that day is the exact feeling that thing brought person, creature brought out of me, that experience, that emotion of that day going into night, because it was later in the day, much later. those feelings I still experience them in my nightmares and those came from that situation

because that is the only time I've ever felt that way and like right now talking to you about it on a scale of one to ten I'm at a comfortable too and it's more of a not a fear thing it's more of a emotion of something I can't say sadness vulnerable, small, and I got to throw the word in there, failure from that day. Why failure?

One of my buddies is 6-3, maybe just a wee bit north of that. I'm 5'10. We all wanted to run. Nobody was under the impression of, this sounds bad. Nobody wanted to protect one another. mother if he came to it. Yeah, I think you're being too hard on yourself, man. I mean, it's a very unique situation and, you know, you'll get some of the biggest, baddest men on the planet or think

they are anyway, and then they get in situations like this, and they want to leave, they want to run, you know, they want nothing to do with this. And it is terrifying to run into one. And I think in moments like this, I always explain to people, you know, think of every drastic emotion you have, horror, shock, fear, thinking you're going to die all at once. And then on top of that, there's an adrenaline dump. I think the reptilian side of our brain clicks on and goes, get out of here. You know what I mean? I do. I really do. And the thing is it just unraveled every one of us, except for one of the fellows I still chat with from time to time quite often when I go back home or even on the phone we talk.

That particular subject does not, if ever, rarely come up. You know, one of the thoughts that we kicked around back then is, what if the girls were with us? It just so happened on that day. None of them were. When you're raised to protect and care for one another, that's when I come to failure. And a lot of us came to that idea.

Maybe not the word failure for them, but a stronger word. You just unraveled in the face of adversity. Yeah, I hear you. I think you're being way too hard, though, man. Too difficult on yourself. And, you know, even at your age now, you know, in my age, quite frankly, when you see an 18, 19-year-old person, you see a kid. I mean, and maybe it's just me. I see a dumb kid.

Not a dumb kid. I see a kid. And you can't be held to some way. weird standard. Do you know what I mean? Hey, I hear what you're saying. My old man, you know, him and my mom are alive and are still married. He served in Vietnam. My grandfather was in World War II and the ancestors on my dad's side have been fighting here on this lamp but way back. And I know the stories that they were young children becoming men at the age of 13, 14, and 15 and getting

brave. So I look at it that way and think at, you know, 18, 19, dropped the ball. When my, would my family, I did tell this, you know, at some point to my family, sure. So yeah, you know, it's kind of my job. I don't know if people you've talked to have had that same mind job. I don't know if you talk to anybody. You had the, the mental awareness to, like you said, you talked to cops. I don't know if they drew their gun. I don't know if they were packed with one another. If they had family. made you protect. But I can tell you looking back, I'm glad certain people weren't with me on that day. Yeah, we always have those knucklehead friends. We're glad that wasn't in a situation with us

like this. I can definitely relate to that. You know, earlier in the show, you asked me, I don't know what to call them or what's respectful to call them. And, you know, I ask everyone on the show, Gabriel, what do you think Sasquatch is? And there's no wrong answer. I'm just curious on your opinion? I'm going to tell you it's a missing link. I'm going to tell you that it is another species of human. I'm going to tell you it's not stupid. I'm going to tell you to leave it alone.

I'm going to tell you if you're someone going up there, you're better off not running into it. You're better off having the fun of it being an imaginative thing in folklore history through tribes and the pioneers that came up here. I'm going to tell you it's a missingly type of human species that has somehow maybe, you know, I've looked at our country, the maps, and a lot of our land is connected if you can rough it out there by foot and get from state to state. It's its own little breakaway civilization.

It's something that, and I, you, when it surprises me when you say, you have other people that you talk to that have seen it? Because I don't think for a second that the higher-ups, whether it be some people in government or a part of the government, military, are not aware of its existence. It's just in no way. Oh, I think they're very aware of it. Somebody's very, very aware of it. And, you know, it's one of those things to where it could be a man, could be an animal,

could be an ape. You know, no one really knows. Can I ask you, Gabriel, because I know this encounter really shook you up. And most people have encounters, I'll say 95% of people, they do get really shaken up after an encounter. If the opportunity came up and you weren't as close as you were this time, but if the opportunity arose, would you want to see another one again? No. I wouldn't want to see another one, not even a little bit. I like my life the way it is.

I think that existence is not to be, for me, at the very least, to be the paths or not to be crossed. My mind simply doesn't understand it or instinctively, I think I do have a relation of understanding that, yes, it's a human. But I guess it would be if you were stuck on a boat somewhere and you hadn't seen civilization for the longest time. and then you see a species of creature coming by you in the water. You might feel like, okay, you know it's a human life. It's nice to see another being on the planet, but I can't relate to it and it might be dangerous. I don't know.

I don't know how to describe that, but I absolutely 110% would not want to ever, ever. And I don't ever want to hear that anybody did anything to it. And why is that? Because I guess that's the caring side. of me as a person. You know, it's, it's, uh, don't, don't kid yourself, you know, people out there. It's got a soul.

I just can't see it not. And I'm not a religious person. It's like looking into the eyes of a dog. You just love the puppy. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. And you're a good man. That's how good men speak. And I respect your opinion very much.

much and very cool of you to take the time to come on and share what happened to you, Gabriel. I really, I know you haven't listened to the podcast yet, but really enjoyed chatting with you. Thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate having a straightforward conversation to do this for once. Thanks again. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicle.

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