Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:858 Paralyzed With Fear

Episode Date: May 30, 2022

Tonight I will be speaking to Matt and Eugene. In 1985 Matt and a friend were hiking in California. Matt said "I thought they were hikers, the man was really tall. As we got closer to where we first saw them I realized they were not hikers, whatever it was one was male and the smaller one was female."   Eugene grew up hunting and fishing his whole life. Eugene said "I live out in the middle of nowhere. I have always loved the outdoors and I hunt to feed my family." Eugene first sighting happened in 2014 while fishing with his son.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forward, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet, but what I saw were bears. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about 60 foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a male, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh. Hi, this is Carol King from Music City, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. A Memorial Day weekend. A Memorial Day is a holiday that we celebrate here in America for my international audience. And it's a very special holiday. You know, I admire and respect people who serve our country, volunteer to protect this country and can't say enough about them. So thank you so much for being here on this holiday weekend.

Tonight we're going to be chatting with Matt. And back in 1985, he had an encounter out there in California. He ran into two of these creatures while hiking. And we're also going to be chatting with Eugene. And Eugene is an outdoorsman. He hunts and fishes, mainly to feed us. family, really a true outdoorsman. And Eugene's going to go into one of the encounters that got a little strange. I mean, they're all strange, but this one is a little bit of an eye-opener. If you've

had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is West at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump in. into it tonight. I want to welcome Matt to the show. Matt, thanks for coming on. It's a real interesting pleasure to be here. I didn't ever expect to do anything like this, but after listening to a few of your episodes, I felt kind of welcomed because I heard so many stories that had aspects of what I had experienced. Yeah, I'm really happy to have you on, Matt. I know your encounter took place in California back in 1985.

If you would, kind of what were you doing and walk us into what happened? So as both of my parents have been passionate, you know, nature lovers, my dad obviously moved from an aerospace engineering job in San Diego to become the owner of a wilderness lodge in the Yukon. But my mother, she's also been real active and environmental groups. and we would often go on these hikes. You take me and my cousin on these long treks into the mountains of Southern California. The Coimaca Mountains, usually there's some beautiful state parks up there. Pasa Picacho Park is the one that we often went to. And we'd hike back like 10, 15 miles in a day and then to these trail camps and tent out.

So I was familiar with those mountains just to the northeast. of San Diego in the lower Sierra Nevada Mountains there. And something like this, I mean, all my life, I remember being a kid and being fascinated by, I remember a movie that came out, something about mysterious beasts, and it had the Lochness Monster and a Bigfoot encounter in it. And I mean, I always, as a kid, I thought those things were so cool and interesting, but I deemed it to be pretty well impossible that there could be anything like that in an area as populous as Southern California is.

But when you get back into those mountains and you're hiking back there, there's a lot of mountains and people do get lost and perish back there. So it certainly can be wild. And as I got older, my interest in hiking back into those mountains continued. And instead of doing it with my mom and cousin,

I would do it with my buddies. And it was one day, I would say probably late, late summer in 1985 when myself and a buddy named Alman we rode my motorcycle up there solely for the purpose of just hiking back into this

one area I was familiar with and this again was just north of Paso Picacho State Park and there's a chain of meadows that are kind of linked together and as you get to and it's all going kind of uphill higher into the mountains and as you get to what appears

to be the end of one you see that it opens into another and another and And once you get into the highest meadow, you can hang a left. And then there's a trail that goes up on top of a small mountain there where you can have a beautiful view, have your lunch, hang out. And that's what we had done. We'd hiked in there. And something actually happened on the way in that I didn't put together until probably the next day as I was digesting what had happened. And that is it just when we got to that highest meadow and we were about,

to start heading upward along that trail. I remember it like it was yesterday, standing there at the base of this trail, and I'm looking further because the trail to the left doesn't happen at the very end of that meadow. The meadow goes on another maybe a couple hundred yards, maybe 300 yards. And I was looking at the rim of the meadow,

the edge of the meadow along the trees, and I saw people, what I thought were people hiking. But there was something that looked out of skew as far as dimensions go because based on how far I saw for sure one person in particular that seemed really tall. It just seemed like too tall for the distance that it was. And I remember just making a note of that in my head,

wow, that's a really tall dude. Hiking back there, you know? But anyway, didn't think much more of it. We didn't come across any other people in there. So we went up and had our late lunch because we'd gotten up there a little late and it was starting to get the sun was already setting when we headed down and so we hiked back down and when we got back to that that upper meadow my buddy had to go take a leak so he went off and into this little bushel of trees this little bunch of trees that was there and i walked out into the meadow a bit and was standing real still

and i was um i'm a music producer and sound designer and i've always been interested in sound especially how we perceive it. So I'm standing there in these dry grasses of the meadow, and I'm noticing that when I stopped moving, after a few minutes, you know, the bugs and little things start to move around in the grass again. And so I was being really, really still,

and my buddy was off in some trees. And that's when I noticed, as I kind of looked way up toward the far end of that meadow, what caught my eye appeared to be, you know, the only way I could describe it is it seemed like, I said, okay, there seemed like there was a large bush. There was, apparently, there's a large bush up there, higher up in the meadow. And there was, it looked like as if a long branched part of the bush were swaying back and forth in the breeze.

But the problem was there wasn't any breeze. And that would have been a really odd kind of a structural part of the bush to exist. But that's kind of what I thought I was seeing. but it was getting to be dusky. And so what I would do, I don't know if you've ever noticed this, but sometimes if you don't look directly at something, if you look off of it a bit, your peripheral vision can somehow detect movement.

And it's almost like a whole different sense that you can take in information by not looking directly at it. And there was definite movement. And so my buddy came over and he said, all right, let's go. And I asked him, I said, hey, what do you see? Look up there. And tell me what you see. And he says, I don't know.

He said, it looks like somebody's walking real slowly back and forth there in front of that bush. I said, yeah, right? And, you know, because I determined as well that it couldn't have been a part of the bush swing and the wind. There wasn't any wind. And it was so slow the way it was moving back and forth. And so then I kind of yelled, hey, and it paused. And then it started moving again. And that creeped us out because we're like, okay, this is really weird.

why is there somebody over there and also abnormally large pacing back and forth in front of this bush. So I yelled again and after, I think there might have had been the same reaction the second time, but the third time there was no, for sure the third time,

there was no pause in the movement. It just kept pacing. And then we got goofy like you do and I yelled, hey, I've got a gun, you know, I'm going to shoot if you don't say something. And there was, it's just, the pacing, continued and it was getting darker as well now.

Like the sun was long gone and and you could really tell, only tell, you know, things by the light colored dry grasses and the dark bush and then, of course, the distant dark tree line. So we kept kind of hollering as we approached the bush, just really curious as to what we were seeing. And as we got closer, the image, whatever the moving object was, which seemed to blend in color, you know, in shade anyway, perfectly to the bush, vanished. It just wasn't there anymore as we got closer. And so we kept hiking and just really curious as to what was playing tricks on our eyes,

if anything. And as we got closer, I realized that this wasn't one bush. There were two bushes. And one bush was closer to us than the other bush. So there'd be one, let's say from left to right, there was the closer bush, you know, would extend only so far. and then the one behind it overlapped a bit from its left to right.

So it would go further to the right. And that's when we realized that there was space between these two bushes. Not a lot of space. As we got closer, I'd say there's maybe 20 feet between these two bushes. And so now as we were getting closer, we were recognizing that these two bushes,

these are two bushes and there's an overlap. We were already getting pretty close at that point. And so we started to scale, to the right a bit so that we could look between them and as we did we were also continuing our approach so we're getting pretty close to this cluster of bushes

and as we finally were able to take a few steps and see between them man I just get chills still telling this story so long ago they're standing between these two bushes were two beings

I mean you know I hesitate to use this word saucequatch Bigfoot just because it just sounds so hokey come rolling off my tongue. But there are these two upright you know, I know they were a saucequatch.

Both of them. And one, the one closer to us was much taller and really just strong looking and stout. And there was, you could tell from the texture and the shading that there was just hair from top to bottom. There was no indent

where a neck would be. And it seemed either that it's because the head were kind of maybe lower to the shoulders or maybe the hair was just blurring all that over. I couldn't see any facial characteristics. But I could, you know, the outline was really clear they were facing us. And only like maybe one or two meters behind the front one was a shorter one that was much more squat. She was much more squat. I mean, I've done a lot of outdoor wilderness stuff. And this, just looked to me like a male-female pair standing there. They were both facing us, and they were facing us in a way that it was absolutely clear that they were not retreating

and that we should retreat. I mean, it was like, whoa, we are in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they were not going to move because we'd already approached a lot. And, you know, the distant tree line from, you know, at the end of this meadow wasn't all that far away. It may be another or maybe another 50 meters or so. So these two things could have, if they were afraid of us or not wanting to mess with us, could have gone off into the forest as we approached, even using the bushes as cover.

But they didn't. And I have this feeling to this day, as I did at that moment, there was something happening there. And they were defending their place, that space. and it was either either they were giving birth or they had miscarried

but in my opinion there was something happening with respect to the birth of a of a baby whatever these things are and that was the feeling I had it just had that kind of protective vibe and there was not

I sensed no offensive behavior but it was such a powerful defensive behavior there didn't need to be any threatening motion they were just standing there with their arms

hanging loose down along their sides, just facing us. And so we, I mean, we backed away right away as soon as we clarified this. There seemed to be a moment. It's like time gets skewed. You know, that moment of standing there looking at these two things is stretched in my memory, I think because my brain has freeze-framed the moment. But, you know, we, you know, we stood there long enough to get a really clear and deep impression of what was,

what was there. And then we started to back away and we backed away. And also, you know, going again in our same path so that we could get ourselves out of line of sight of these things. And as soon as we did, we turn and we ran, you know, as fast as we could, all the way down the trail that skirts those meadows. And I remember at one point, it was getting so dark by the time we were halfway out. This tree branch grabbed the collar of my sweater.

And, and I mean, I kind of screamed or hollered and jumped back and. You know, I mean, we were so freaked out, just full of that, you know, that seeing something totally creepy in the woods thing. And once you start running, then of course, you know, your fear takes over. And we got to the motorcycle down in that little parking lot, it was real dark then. And even driving out of there, it was freaked out because all you can see is the headlight in front of you in the mountains and the forest looming right next to you on the side of the road. And yeah, so essentially that's the nature of my encounter. And so looking back, I now know that what I saw that was out of scale for a human form must have been these two things coming down into that meadow in the late afternoon already.

Yeah, it's an amazing account. You know, this happened to you 37 years ago, and you never really forget it. You know, it always kind of stays with you. And generally speaking, and most eyewitness encounters, When the human sees the creature, the creature sees the human, they generally part ways. And if they don't, usually you're in trouble. It does make me wonder what was going on there. How far away from you was a creature, as you guys were getting closer and closer?

What was kind of the distance we're talking about? We were probably 50 or 60 feet away, really close. Like if they had something to throw, they could have easily nailed us, you know. Yeah, that's really close. That's really close. For the audience, would you kind of describe what you saw? So when we came up and around and we're starting to understand that what we thought was one long bush were two, and we wanted to get a view between them to see if there was anything there,

it only took a, because of the angle, it only took a few steps to afford an entire view between. And, you know, from bush to bush, it was probably, I don't know, maybe 20 feet between the two bushes or so, but this is all dry grass. So these things were dark-haired. And so they stood out in contrast, even though it was dusk now, they stood out in contrast against the backdrop of dry grasses that is what we were looking at. And the one being that was, you know, further, you know, closer was almost to where you could have still seen him. And I'm going to say he and she, because it was obvious. And so, You know, you could have still seen him if you, almost, if you were back at our very original position.

So he hadn't retreated very far back between there. And he'd taken a stance right there at the entry of the small channel between these two bushes. And standing facing us, hands, arms just hanging. But in a way that, you know, and legs kind of spread apart. Like it wasn't like a formal at attention stance. It was way more like, like if you, you know, if you saw two guys stand and. off against each other outside of a bar or something. I mean, the legs, the feet were apart, the knees seemed to be slightly bent, the shoulders were, you know, broad, and the arms were

hanging down, and it was tall. It was, I'd say, nine feet, you know, 10 maybe. It was just really, really tall. And like I said before, just out of skew with what our brain knows typical measurements of things are. This thing doesn't exist in my, you know, encyclopedia of animals in the wilderness. So I'm like, what? And behind it, she was noticeably shorter, significantly shorter, but, you know, by comparison, what does that mean? Was she, I'd say, I'd probably put her at six feet tall, similar to me, maybe, maybe even a bit taller. It's hard. That one's a little hard to know because I'm doing with the relationship to the larger one. And she was standing.

in a very similar way, but she was more, she was squatting a bit more. Her knees were more bent. She was more, and she was also her body shape. She seemed to have a wider shoulder shape, you know, and she just looked more kind of squat and broad and shorter and very much more female. And whereas he had had a much different build, more of a very strong torso going up to these big, broad shoulders, wide shoulders. And both of them were just hair top to bottom. Their hands were facing, their palms were facing away. Because the reason I think that that's the case is I couldn't see any palms, but also that the general, they had a relaxed stature to them,

but not relaxed like taking it easy, more relaxed like getting ready for anything, you know, the way you would if you were preparing yourself to, you know, for any kind of uncertain movement. And yeah, I couldn't believe. we couldn't make out any facial features. I couldn't see eyes, nose, mouth, nothing like that. It was already too dark for that.

But the outline, you know, there, I know bear inside and out, literally, you know, I haven't lived up here in the Yukon. And these, there's no animal, there's nothing they could have been other than a Sasquatch because they were humanish in their appearance and in their behavior and even the way they were communicating posturally. Like they were very clearly communicating, I'm not retreating, you're going to retreat. You know, it was a very, very kind of powerful communication right then at that point.

And just their shape, the way they stood was clear that they stood. They were upright. These were upright beings, but they, you know, no, and there's no way this could have been a costume. I mean, it was also big. are and the fact that we had to seek them out. You know, they were, they had retreated for safety or for privacy or whatever they were doing into this spot. You know, I've often thought of going back there and, and you're finding exactly where

they were. And maybe there's a, maybe there's a little baby skeleton buried there. You know, who knows? But I never did go back there. And my buddy and I, we never talked about it. Maybe the next day, briefly, but not after that. He was a, he was kind of a quiet guy anyway and a bit, a bit socially awkward at that time of his life. And we just, we never talked about it.

I remember telling someone else about it and he was there and he just didn't say word. He said nothing. You know, we're still kind of in touch. I know how to find him if I needed to, but this is not something we had ever talked about, like more than a day after the event. Yeah, it really is an amazing account. And, you know, this happened to you, like I said, 37 years ago. And, you know, the impression that you had as far as a birth was going on. I know you didn't see your give birth.

There was no baby. But I find your impression, your opinion, very fascinating because, you know, that's all we can really go off of. And most eyewitnesses really are spot on with their impression of the whole situation. Why do you think you have that impression or that opinion that there was some sort of birth going? on? Well, I mean, there could be a lot that plays in that. I'd really have, which I'll do right now, kind of analyze myself and say, why do you have that impression? First of all, there was a male, female couple there together, and they were both defending that spot, that particular place. So something was happening there. That's just my own rational, logical conclusion. Why else were

they were very much defending that spot and they'd been there for quite a while from the first time, from the first moment that I saw, you know, what I thought was a bush swaying in the wind. It had been a good 20 minutes, half hour by the time we got up there and were able to see between. So they were defending a place that was also somewhat protected. And yet that place was also, you know, there's like up here in the Arctic National. Wildlife Refuge on the on the north coast of Alaska for example, the Caribou go there to the coastal plain to have their their children. And one reason that they have their calves is because you can see a bear coming, you know,

miles away you see it because it's all flat rolling ground. So they could easily, once that child was born, they could easily, you know, if there was a risk, they've got a huge line of sight of the territory around them. And so here these two things are where they've got both the protection of those bushes, but they've also got that range of view for safety. And that's something common with certain animals that are able to move quickly if they can perceive a distant threat. And don't, you know, like wolves will dig a den and have their babies there. But animals that don't, some species do exactly what these two were doing,

finding a place with a really wide range of view for protection. and the ability to make a move if they had to, if there was a threat in the area, and that would suggest that there is a moment of vulnerability. And all this just seems to suggest childbirth. Yeah, that's a pretty insightful impression for sure. You know, and the creatures didn't run off. Do you think that they noticed you guys prior to walking up on them?

I think, you know, any kind of a being like that would be pretty aware of its surrounding. at any time. So I would suspect that they knew we were there even before I started taking notice of the swaying bush. I mean, we were out there talking and, you know, it was a still night. So I think that they were aware, but they just weren't too concerned, probably assuming that we do what all humans do, which is to head down and out of that area. So for whatever reason, and they didn't, you know, react. And even when I yelled, as I said, the first time I yelled, the first couple of times, maybe the motion stopped.

So that big one was out in front of the bushes pacing. That's the other thing. The pacing. What's up with the pacing? And I mean, it's such a cliche fatherly behavior prior to childbirth. It's just pacing, you know? So whether he was standing guard or just, you know, kind of their biting time while this child delivery thing, assuming that's what happens.

it was taking place. But when I yelled, it stopped, and then I yelled and it didn't stop. The pacing continued, though. And it wasn't until we started approaching, it just sort of disappeared between the bushes. So I was yelling at it. It knew I was there. It knew I was yelling. And yet it wasn't altering its behavior, almost in an absolute disregard or a pretty

thorough disregard of any concern as to any threat that we might be presenting. And as I said, it wasn't until we really did demonstrate an intrusion by getting too close. And that's when, you know, I was met with this, the two of them facing us with this posture. And as I said, the posture was so powerfully communicating that they are not retreating from that spot. And we are not welcome. That's it. That's the best way to articulate it. We were not welcome there, but they weren't, there was no, I didn't feel like they were going to lunge at us.

I just felt, you know, that, as I said, we weren't welcome, and they were not going to retreat. And, you know, they were by far more powerful than we were. So, you know, the fear of running out of there, that was sort of that self-generated and fear because of what we just witnessed something that, you know, does not at all fit my encyclopedia of, of being. beings that exist in my wilderness experience, you know. Yeah, it's an amazing account. I wonder if the creatures were looking at your posture as well when you guys walked up, kind of your body language makes me wonder what would happen if, you know, take you guys out of the equation and put two hunters in that same situation,

if it would have gone as smooth as it did. And I know you've run into bears. You've lived in the Yukon territory with your dad. But down there in Southern California, there is a long history of these things. I mean, even dating back to the Zubis and before of people running into these sayings, I ask everyone, Matt, on the show, and there's no wrong answer. But if someone were to ask you, what is Sasquatch? What would you say?

Well, I mean, I've never dug too deep into this other than my own experience. and the lore that you come across in pop culture and whatnot. You know, and I tend to think, you know, people always refer to as a missing link. I wouldn't think it's a link. I would say it is a line of evolution, you know, that parallels us and Neanderthals, but is just, you know, closer to that original primate state,

you know, that, that original, you know, not as far along. I don't want to suggest, I don't want to suggest seniority or anything like that, but we've clearly altered our physical form and cognitive behavior significantly from earlier ancestors. And so it just seems to me that there was, you know, we know there were Neanderthals and us, Homo sapiens live in side by side and even intraming. And obviously there must be another line that is developing, evolving in a similar trajectory to where it's permanently upright, pretty intelligent. But it's, you know, for its own evolution, it has benefited from probably just sheer strength and natural intuition in the wilderness.

You know, that's all I can assume. I mean, whenever this issue comes up right here, you hear people talking about it, The kind of cool thing is I don't wonder if they exist. I know they do. I know they do because I've seen it. And I don't talk about it very often because people, I don't know, when something really special happens like this, it's kind of sacred. And if you blab about it a lot and to people that aren't really going to get it

or don't really, maybe you won't even believe it, you seem to kind of diffuse the potency of the experience itself. somehow it becomes more pedestrian and kind of commonplace even for yourself. And that's my experience. And so I've kind of held this experience. I've guarded it a bit. But I do tell people when it comes up and if there's a hole in the conversation where, you know, this would be a welcome, you know, contribution to the debate as to whether they exist or not,

I'm happy to throw this one in there. And it's pretty amazing that we saw two of them and not just one. and a male female pair. And when you say, like, why did we suspect the childbirth thing was going on? It's a funny thing. And the reason I said I should really interrogate myself about that is because I feel so certain about it. And yet the only reasons I could have or what I've told you, unless there was some kind of other communication happening. Like maybe there was a very sentient kind of this deeper, you know, maybe they were like, you know, just like, you know, I know what you're thinking.

kind of thing. Maybe there was some way that we're close enough on the whole evolutionary scale of things to for that situation, you know, for them to sort of just look at us and say, yo dudes, you know what's going on here,

get out of here. And this is, and it's obvious why. You know, it was kind of it just seems so clear that this involved a childbirth or something about a child. Yeah, and I respect your answer. I appreciate you answering it. It's very insightful as far as your impression and your feeling on

the whole thing. It's very cool of you to come on and talk about that. Would you ever want to see another one? Well, that's an interesting question. I never thought about it. I don't know. I mean, I worry for them. That's one constant thought I've had since is, you know, all territory of animals is waning. Natural habitat is on the severe decline. And species are going extinct all the time. And will these eventually be outed because we've encroached so much on their territory? Or will they opt to do their best to remain elusive and simply do what wolves do,

which is when there's no healthy habitat and no food around, they have very few or no pups? you know, they reduce the population of the pack in response to the population of the herd or, you know, their prey that they rely on. And is that happening? So if I saw them again, I just don't think that would be a good thing for them. It would mean that, you know, human sightings are increasing because what are the odds of one person seeing one twice? That would probably not be a good thing for them, you know, for their own safety. And it was pretty

Under what condition Would decide it be Because it was pretty scary Man I mean when we ran out of there It's not something I'd want to relive That's for sure I would

I've thought about going back there And just investigating But it is not something I'd want to relive Because it was really Powerful And it was also somehow sacred It just had a

Kind of a I don't know Like once in a life It was a once in a lifetime event that I wouldn't yearn for happening again for all the reasons I've said. Yeah, it is amazing to see two of them and not have them be aggressive. And I think you guys did the right thing because, you know, obviously there was a line and you guys didn't step over it. And the moment you do, you run into a completely different being or creature or however everyone wants to label it, they will there's moments where it does go bad.

But this encounter is very cool that they really didn't do anything. And I think rightly so, you guys left. There's no reason to. You know, and even people who have encounters like 50 years ago, I'll have them on and they'll recount an event like it happened yesterday. Almost everyone recounts it like it happened yesterday, much like you did, Matt. And, you know, I don't worry about them as far. as, you know, their population or that sort of thing.

I could see how someone's mindset could go that way because, you know, as humans, we tend to destroy everything. But it's a very cool count, Matt. I can't think enough for taking the time to come on. Right on, West. Thanks for the series because it's good to be talking with you and sharing it. Like I said, I don't think I would have been quite as open about all the details had I not been listening to some of your other people talk about this. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Eugene. Eugene, thanks for coming on.

Yeah, thank you very much. It's awesome to be here. And finally let everybody know what's happened to me. See you out in my life. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here, Eugene. I know that you're a lifelong hunter and outdoorsmen and use a lot of that to feed your family and admire that. You know, I respect that a lot. If you would, take me back to 2014 outdoors.

out there in Pennsylvania, because you had a run-in with one of these creatures. Kind of what were you doing and what happened? Me and my boys wanted to go fish at this new spot because a buddy I worked with said it was great pike hunting. He just bragged about it up and down about us. I'm like, okay, well, give it a shot. First time I went down there, there's these group of teenagers down there. And I just stepped down there talking to him for a little bit.

And I said, how's fishing? And I go fishing down here is really good during a day. And I was like, well, what about the night time? He said, nobody comes down here at night. I said, well, I was this. And he pointed over to what looked like an older band at campsite. He said, that's why. He said, those kids came down here, tried camping at night fishing,

and they got chased out with something big and hairy. And I was like, yeah, really. Uh-huh. Okay, fine. I don't believe that. And then, you know, you're looking at the campsite, there is their pillows, core,

tent, sleeping bag, everything was left their pots or pants just left their like they just left everything in there and it took off.

So, you know, I mean, I was like intrigued by it but I still honestly didn't believe I thought maybe they were full crap.

So about that two weeks later me and my boy was fished down there towards evening. We were having a great day fishing and I was like,

hey, let's just stay down here a little bit longer. He's like, okay, you know, the sun was just barely starting to go down. And I'm sitting there fishing, and I was hearing things fall. And this was during, you know, fall time. I thought squirrels were just dropping things, pine cones, you know, gather stuff up for the winter and so forth.

And then I noticed they kept getting closer, closer, closer. And the one I felt it rolled down and hit my foot. I said, Brock, something's thrown pine cones at us. He's like, no way. And he came over, I showed them. And then all of a sudden, these two extremely loud roars, like, I mean, they were so loud. Your organs were shaken.

Our hair was standing up on end. And we were literally, we were frozen, couldn't move, couldn't say nothing. I mean, it's like we were in a trance, paralyzed, whatever you want to call it. I mean, it was insane. The creature came out on top of the hill, pounding chest, going, uh, uh, uh, uh, dropped down all fours, and then took off. And after seeing it drop down all fours, that's when we, you know, we're paralyzed. And we both had tears run down our eyes.

Our hair were standing straight up. And it was almost dark. I was scared of death because where it came out of is the same place where we had to go up to trail to get back to the truck. You know, what I had on me was a little 9mm Darringtoner. I'd like, well, I might as well just use a rock, you know, for God's sakes. So we started going up.

And every little word, every little noise, I heard, everything. I was shaking. I was trying to keep it cool because my son was meth me. You know, he didn't seem like I was big chicken. But we finally made it up to the truck and then left. And I went back home, told people there. Oh, that's probably a bear roaring, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, you didn't see nothing.

So, you know, that was that. So it didn't see anything else to nobody. Yeah, a little shocking to the senses seeing something like that, especially a guy like you that's been outdoors your whole life. How far away from the creature were you? I realize it's kind of up on a hill. It was honestly probably about 25 yards. It was up on the hill.

The hill we were on, it was steep. We had to follow an old. odd deer travel to get up out of there. Yeah, 25 yards is pretty close, man. For the audience, can you kind of describe what you saw? I saw this very large bipedal figure. It was a very, very dark red color, kind of like an Irish setter, but a little bit darker. As far as facial features, I didn't get to see a lot of it.

I saw that had a protruded brow. its nose came out slightly like a person and its mouth barely protruded out and then it had long hair on top of its head coming down over and my gosh when the summer's slow one going down is it dropped down to all fours

everything was like slow motion everything almost stopped it was you're not slow motion stuff that people talk about you're dealing with a horrible situation I've seen a drop down to all fours and it's starting to, you know, move its front hands. I could see the sunlight trickling through the hairs on its arms. That's one thing I'll never forget.

And then, like I said, it dropped down with arms, and it maybe went two or three steps, and everything stopped. Yeah, and this is a pretty terrifying situation. You know, a lot of times when you're by yourself, you can do it. I mean, it's still scary, but when you're there with your son, you know, and that's even more terrifying. Can you kind of describe the motion it did when it got down on all fours? Was it like a feline?

Was it like a man? It remind me so much like when you go into the zoo and you see a griller get down and run, you could see how long its arms were. I mean, it looked a very, very primate. I mean, I could tell, I mean, it's lower legs. They weren't extremely long, but they were, you know, kind of similar to what. But a silverback grill is like pretty similar to that. When you saw it come out and it was roaring and it was, did you see the thing actually pound its chest?

Yes, it came out pounding its chest. It's kind of like you see it and your entire body goes in shock. And apparently maybe my entire system shut down because I was looking at something. that is not supposed to be real. And it's, you know, 25 yards away from me up on the hill. I just, sorry, it just, it was like the worst day in my life. And it happened right there. I've never had that much fear in my life.

You know, like, when I was younger, I had been archie hunting above my parents' house and I was going up my tree stand and I heard a big cat brow. I was like, oh, shit. So I took my light signed over there as a cougar about 15 yards away from me, but this tail wag, and like he was getting ready to pounce on me, so I yell and it takes off. But that fear did not even compare to the fear that I felt that,

and I remember we saw that. It was almost like to the, it probably was the breaking point, and I think that might be why my body just shut off, possibly. It could have been empressound. I really don't know. You know, something that happened to me that I've never felt before. Yeah, can I ask you, Eugene, do you think it was more animalistic or do you think it was more manlike? From everything I honestly seen, it seemed very, very human-like.

But in a certain way, it also seemed slightly animal-like. Like the features of it, everything about it, it told me human. But when, I mean, when humans, people don't want you on their property, they yell, do you scream at you? You know, that's basically what this thing was doing, yelling at us and telling us to get away. Yeah, it's a display. You know, that's what it feels like. I'm big and bad. Don't cross the line or I'll mop the floor with you.

And I think a lot of their behavior is meant to intimidate you. It's meant to make you go away. Don't hear me wrong. They will harm you. but I think the bulk of their behavior is meant to frighten you, which they do a fantastic job of. And I know we're going to talk about this other encounter that happened to you about eight years later. And I want to get into that. Going back to 2014, when this happened, did you ever think maybe I shouldn't go back out there?

Maybe I'm, you know, because there might come a moment where it's more than a display. It does. I am always prepared. I'm always prepared with a firearm. I bring my 44 with me. Sometimes I literally bring two guns with me just to give myself a sort of peace of mind, you know. But I mean, who's to say that couldn't happen? Yeah, hopefully the day will come where you won't have to use it. Hopefully that day will never come. You know, I worry about you, Eugene. I know that you still hunt even to this day. And in these areas you're going, It sounds like there's a lot of activity. This second encounter that happened to you eight years later out there, you're about 16 miles away from where this incident took place in 2014. If you would take a time and tell me what happened, because I know things got a little strange. Sure. What happened is I'm a very avid hunter.

every chance every second I get I go hunting at woods and I was up in my tree stand I wasn't seeing any deer I was like okay this is odd and then I hear something like really really heavy heavy moving to my left and then I hear these three loud wooden offset literally sound like somebody

shot a shotgun it was so loud it was so loud I felt it in my chest it was so loud and that just startled me. I was like, oh, my dear Lord, I was like, this is not happening again. This is not happening again. And about a minute or two after that, I heard something coming up behind me. And it was very big, and it was bipedal.

And my heart was in my throat. I mean, my heart was beating so fast. My hair was standing up on end. Oh, my gosh. I was like, no, please, Lord, please Lord. And I barely looked out of my peripheral, and I could see this large bipedal figure. It looked like it had breast,

looks like it possibly had breast. From what I could see, I did not want to turn my head to the whole way and, like, possibly challenge it. It stopped about 10 or 15 feet away. And then it started making these tongue pops, like tongue pops. Just several tongue pops.

and then a couple of minutes went by and on my right about 30 yards out I heard movement coming up to heel and it was getting closer and closer and then I literally peaked over I had maybe two seconds to look

and I saw what looked at me like it was a juvenile creature pretty much doing a belly crawl on top of the hill so we could look out over the edge looking at me and there was a tree that came up that had a split in it and it was looking at me

if it was one eye through that split and it had its hand around the base of the tree I focus in on that and as soon as I focus on it I hear a bang a big knock to my left and I'm like no way so I turned over to the left and what was ever on my right

it took off and I heard a bang on my right hand side too and then it went quiet quiet and what was weird is the I'll carve him because tongue pops they sounded very very feminine

she was still back her she was back there just watching me just staying still there was absolutely no aggression no growling no nothing and I was in my tree stand and I didn't want to move so I focused

in front me perfectly still and I don't matter of right eye, I see something fly past my foot. I was like, what the heck is that? Then I see it again. And she was literally throwing pine cones at my foot because my right foot was sticking out a little bit. She threw a few of them at it. And then she stopped. So I'm like, oh, my God. Then when she did that, it actually, I don't know why, but actually calmed me down a little bit because I thought she was just, you know, just messed around playing. I really didn't know. And so I was getting out of my tree stand.

And it was dark. I couldn't see her because it pitched black. And she was still in the same spot. And it sounded like she sat up or stood up and I heard them tongue pops again. You know, I felt even more scared. It was dark. So I started walking down towards my truck. And it sounded like they were like 15 feet, 20 feet beside me on those sides,

walking with me and I took flashlight, signed it. There's absolutely nothing there, but I could literally hear every single footstep. And it was, I was so freaked out. I was so freaked out. And then I started to go down in my truck. You won't believe this. Maybe we'll, I don't know. And I went down to the truck, and there was this clearing where there's no trees,

and I had to walk through the clearing. And out of the ground came this orb that was pulsing. and it followed me the whole way until I met back up with the trees, you know, and it went right back into the ground. And then I was like, no, I was like, no, that didn't happen. No way, no way that happened. I don't believe it, no way. And then I got back into the woods, and they were right there again,

following me out. Whole way to my truck. I was praying and go out, please let me get to my truck. Please let me get to my truck. And I got my truck there. I'm fumbling with my keys trying to get the truck to start. You know, it was, my God, that was terrifying. It really was.

I couldn't believe, have, you know, see two of them in my lifetime. That, like, hardly ever happens. But it's honestly not true. I would gladly take a polygraph test, you know, prove that I'm right. Yeah, and like I said before, Eugene, I mean, there's no need for that. This isn't an interrogation. I mean, you're not in court here. You're among friends.

And the area where you're at, I do get a lot of reports. exactly where you're at, but, you know, I respect people's privacy, and I know this is where you go to hunt, and, you know, I'll continue to respect people's privacy, but I do get a ton of reports from where you're at. The one that you call a female, what made you think she was female? Just by her, the way she had the tongue pops, it sounded very, very feminine. And like I said, and I tried looking out my peripheral vision. It appeared like she had breasts. It looked like she had breasts.

But like I'm more or less going off her, you know, the tone of her tongue pops. Basically is what I came to think about her being a female. And I appreciate you giving me your opinion and kind of your impression of what was going on there. I think eyewitnesses' impression as far as what's going on in these situations is generally spot on. the smaller one that you saw. I know you didn't get a great look at it, but can you kind of describe what you saw? Honestly, the only thing I saw,

I saw a black eye looking at me through the view of the tree. I saw the hand around the tree. I saw the color of the hair. The color of the hair was like a chocolate color, like a really rich chocolate color. And that's honestly all I see. Yeah, I think what really, amazes me is their behavior as far as how they come in on someone, they generally will surround

someone, much like how they did you, and they'll communicate with, uh, you know, mouth pops and and wood knocks or rock clacks. And a lot of that gets reported from eyewitnesses. Um, and I want to come back to this, uh, but I want to ask you about the ball of light. Can you kind of describe the ball of light? It was, uh, slim, sounder to be it. It literally looked like an Oscar Meyer weiner, basically. The center of it was extremely bright white, and then the outer part of it, it was a very, very bright yellow color,

and it was pulsating. It was literally right beside me, about two feet away, following me the entire time until I went back into the forest. I guess the mason size would probably be about the size of the cantaloupe. No, I mean no nothing. It was silent.

Yeah, the lights are weird, man, and they often get reported in encounters. People will run into the creature and then, you know, in some accounts, they'll go, and I also saw this weird light flying around, and they're very much how you describe them. They're silent and they're just bizarre. And I know you really are a true outdoorsman. I mean, I know most of your hunting and fishing is to feed your family, and so you really are truly an outdoorsman. I want to ask you, have you ever seen the lights prior to this? I have never seen them lights in my life ever.

Where I'm at right now, it's like I've only been hunting there for the past three years. It's a new hunting ground. And that's the first time I have ever seen anything like that. Yeah. When you saw this light, what did you think it was? I have my guesses and stuff like Ed. I don't know. I thought maybe it's part.

possible that for some reason, you know, we all know that Bigfoot has powers. We don't know. Maybe it conformed themselves into the orbite to follow me. Because it's weird because, like I said, when I got back into the woods, it fell right back to the earth and then, boom, they're right beside me again. I'd honest, that's the only logical thing I could even think of. Yeah, well, you may not be wrong on that. I know in a lot of, in Australia, a lot of Aboriginal culture. They hold that belief. And I know in a lot of Native American culture,

they also talk about that. It's just so weird running into it. And it's scary. I want to go back to when you were in your tree stand. I realize you're archery hunting at this point. And you also have a 44 on your side. And I know from talking to you didn't feel like it was really going to help you. And the creatures are surrounding you.

Did you feel like they were trying to harm you? No, I don't think they were. Honest to God, there was no aggression, no nothing. I think that, like, the place where I hunt, it's a great spot. Just so many deer up there. I mean, it's amazing. I think they were trying to have an evening hunt, and I was basically continental,

because let me tell you something else here. There's been several other times where I'd be. in my trees stand and I would hear these rock clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, and on those nights I heard the rock clacks and a couple far-off knocks, I would see absolutely no deer, non-zero, so I think they were hunting for deer to eat. Can I ask you, Gene, I mean, after this happened to you, it's such a bizarre account, I mean, they're all weird. It's not like this one's any weird. Running into a Sasquatch or seeing one across the road in front of you is a weird account.

But you're out there hunting and you're in these areas. And, you know, back in 2014 after what you saw, was there ever a moment where you thought, I'm not going to hunt anymore? Hunting means a lot. When I was growing up, my father, my grandfather, we'd go out with them all the time. It was kind of like a family tradition.

It's a way of life around here. we all try to hunt and supply food for our families it's it's pretty much the way it is around here I honestly God it's it's a way of life and nothing or anybody's gonna scare me out where I hunt way I look at it is they didn't try to hurt me they didn't show any aggression I mean the worst thing they did was true pine cones at my boot and I figure you know what

it'll be okay Yeah, I respect that, Eugene. I respect that a lot. You know, going from what happened to you in 2014 and then now this encounter, did you have that same type of fear in the second encounter as you did in the first one? Well, it wasn't exactly the same. The first incident, you know, I thought me and my boy were going to be dead. I mean, it was showing aggression and all this other stuff. I was terrified back then. But being up in a tree stand, it's going to sound weird.

I was terrified and also amazed at the same time because you hear other people having similar things, and it's happened in you. I just, like, I honestly was amazed, but I was still scared inside. You know, it was a whole mix. some feelings. And also, it sounds dumb, but I felt like I was blessed having an incident with no aggression, no nothing. They were just there. They were hunting. They weren't going to hurt me. They were going to leave me alone. You know, Eugene, I ask everyone on the show, what do they think Sasquatch is? And I always say there's no wrong answer because there's not. No one really knows what these things are. But what do you, what's your opinion? What do you think that they are?

Well, am I somewhere, but I actually have like two opinions of what they are. My first opinion is, let's just say, back when early, early man came to be, and there was still apes around. We don't know exactly the chromosomes they had DNA as far as we know they could have been very similar. Maybe they mated and their offspring, you know, got large. Like, for instance, look at it, Tagger and a line. the offspring of them ended up being twice the size of the parents. What if it was like a dormant gene

that caused this large size to occur? And then they started mating with others along the line and that gene was there and it stayed there. And it caused them to get very large, very muscular. Also, you know, with the way things are, like down south, you know,

they're not very big. Up north, they seem to be really big because it gets colder and stuff like that. And over time, they can evolve to suit their environment. I mean, everything evolves. That's what I thought it could have been like a rare gene and mutation from a man, early man mating with a gorilla. It could have. But nobody really knows exactly what DNA was back then. They could speculate, in my own opinion, nobody knows.

It could have happened. And, you know, nobody will ever know, honestly. Yeah, that's a fascinating theory. There's definitely adaptation throughout time. I don't know that DNA changes, though. Your actual DNA code changes over time, or evolves or that sort of thing. I can't speak intelligently to that because I really don't know. It's kind of a cool take on it.

What was your second theory, Eugene? The second theory is going to sound stupid, honest of God, but oh, well, here it goes. You know, what if way back then when everything was created, we really don't know exactly who created us. They say it could be God, but I really, nobody really knows. There could even have been an advanced alien race that chose to make life on this planet. And maybe their first source of life maybe would have been Sasquatch. I mean, if you think about that, could explain their powers to disappear, turn into lights, everything in the sort. And then they decided to make another race, which was us.

You know, it might sound dumb, but I still think there's something with Sasquatchez a big foot that is alien related to my own personal opinion. All the things that happened, we can't explain it. And until we get the evidence of proof, we're never going to be able to explain it. Yeah, I've often wondered about that theory as well. I think there's so many weird things that go on with Sasquatch, some of these paranormal events, some of these real weird encounters. It's not like one-offs. I mean, the people that talk about the very strange things going on are very consistent on what they're telling you, and it happens over and over and over again with eyewitnesses. And be careful out there, Eugene. I worry about you, man. I know that

you love hunting and you're feeding your family, and I admire and respect that very much. But please be very careful out there and keep in touch with me. I'd like to know if anything else happens out there, but I do appreciate you taking the time to come on, ma'am. I appreciate being on here. It's been great. You know, it feels good. You have to tell people what's happening to you. People on here, you know, they've had stuff happen to them. They know what it is. They understand. And then everybody else thinks you're basically full of shit, which it's, it's not right. you know if they don't understand. Yeah, I hear you.

Thank you for the kind words. And please be safe out there. Definitely please be safe. And I enjoyed talking with you, Eugene. Yep, same here. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchpronicals.com.

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