Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:883 The Spider Crawl

Episode Date: August 26, 2022

Tonight I will be speaking to John. John writes "I am a Registered Nurse at the hospital here in town. My encounter happened on approximately November 17, 2020. As Covid was in full swing many of us had to take our turns working on the Covid unit. My home unit had high risk patients so I was being swabbed twice a week to try and prevent Covid from coming onto that floor. Prior to leaving work on Tuesday morning, the 17th, I was swabbed for Covid prior to going home with the plan to come back to work that evening at 7 PM. As I was ready to leave for work that evening I received a phone call from the hospital. I was told I could not come to work because my Covid swab from that morning came back positive and I would need to quarantine for the next 7 days. My problem was that my Father-in-law, who would be considered high risk if he contracted the virus, was staying at our home during that time. My wife and he were not in the house when I found out I had the virus so I formulated a plan and called her. The plan was that I would get out of the house and go quarantine at our cabin at Rough River Lake, KY. She brought my Father-in-law home and met me in the parking lot at the grocery store. I waited out in the parking lot in my pickup while she went in and bought enough groceries to last me during my quarantine and came out to my pickup and she put the groceries in my tool box so we had no contact. The next morning, my wife and Father-in-law went and got tested and were negative- thank goodness because I would have been the one to have given it to them and I did not want to have harmed them. The Drive from Owensboro to the lake was about 56 miles and it was really dark that night. I remember seeing only a sliver of the moon earlier, but by 9 pm or so when I made my drive it was just really dark with no moonlight that I could see. On the way up to the lake I had the radio off (it is usually on) as I was deep in thought about the whole situation. As I drove on I came to realize that my biggest fear would be laid to rest one way or the other in the morning when my wife and Father-in-law would be tested for the virus. I then thought about how I could actually make the most of the quarantine by calling people I hadn't spoken to in a while and working on my book which I was working on at the time and has been published since. The route I take to the lake once I get through Owensboro is Highway 54 east for roughly 25 miles. When I got through the small town of Fordsville, I turned left to go North on 261. This is an 11 mile stretch to get to a junction called McQuady where I would turn right on 105 south to take the rest of the way to the lake. Ten miles in on the aforementioned 11 mile stretch is where I had my encounter. I had been deep in thought coming through the dark, wooded area. I came to an area that had a row of trees along the road to the left coming off a ravine. When I passed the end of that there was a second ravine with trees about 30 yards back that came to an end roughly 100 yards farther than the closer ravine. What initially caught my attention was the yellowish/white eye shine of a deer off to the right side of the road. I started to slow up as this really nice white tail buck walked right onto the road in front of me and just stopped in the middle of the road. He was not looking at me and paid no attention to me coming toward him! He was gazing to the left side of the road toward the end of the second tree row/ravine I mentioned. As I got within about 20 yards of this deer and had almost come to a stop, I looked over toward where the deer was watching. You know how your car headlights cast light off to the left and right of the vehicle? Well, in that cast off light I picked up what I would describe as very large orange eye shine, about 4 feet off the ground near the end of this stand of trees. It was coming from the back side of the trees around the tip or end of the tree stand, so It was facing me at about 9 o'clock position when I picked up the eye shine. I can only describe that I saw a dark creature, moving like a spider but about 4 feet off the ground, with a large head with eyes almost as large as silver dollars around 6 or 7 inches apart that shined orange. When I looked back at the deer standing on the road before me, it suddenly took off in the direction it was facing into open field. I then saw this spider creature turn toward the running deer and started to quickly move toward it. That's when I about dropped a biscuit as this thing rose up onto 2 feet in fluid motion to take flight after the deer! I rolled my window down to see if I could smell anything which I did not, but I heard in the trees to the right side of the road, where the deer had initially come, what sounded like a large branch breaking, so I hit the gas and got the heck out of there. I feel that there was a creature on the right side of the road in the woods that pushed this deer toward another creature at an ambush point and I came along at the wrong time. As fast as this thing took off, in an open field, I have no doubt it would catch up to the buck."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were chumtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. You see a bounce there? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh.

Hey, this is Dan from Cougan, New York, and you're listening to the best podcast in all the land. Sysquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We're going to be chatting with John tonight. And John comes to us from Kentucky. He's a nurse, and he actually got COVID about two years ago and decided to go stay out at his

cabin by himself to kind of quarantine and had a run-in with one of these creatures. So John will be going into that tonight. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquash Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome John to the show.

John, thanks for being here. Thanks, Wes. I really appreciate it. Glad to have an opportunity to talk to you. Yeah, John, and I know about two years ago back in 2020, you had an encounter. If you would, just kind of start from the very beginning. What were you doing and what happened? Okay. Well, it was as near as I can look back on the calendar, it was November 17th of 2020. I'm a nurse. I work at the hospital here in Owensboro, Kentucky. I worked the night before. So I was working on the COVID unit, and I also work another unit, and we have to swab twice a week to make sure that we don't bring anything back to my home unit because we have a lot of vulnerable patients. So I swabbed that morning before leaving work.

I come home, I sleep, I get up and start getting ready for work, and my phone rings. It's the hospital. Guess what? You got COVID. You can't come into work. So then I started panicking a little bit because my father-in-law had been standing. with us for a while. And he's very frail. And I thought, oh, my God, I hope I haven't given him COVID. So I call my wife. They weren't in the house. So I call my wife who was out with my father-in-law

shopping. And I told her I have COVID. Well, I had formulated a plan. I thought, well, gosh, at that time, you had to quarantine for seven days. So I told her, well, we have a little cabin at Rough River Lake, which is about 58 miles from here. So I told her, why don't I meet you in the Harkin' lot at the grocery store, and I'll get a week's worth of groceries. If you go in and get it, you can put them in the toolbox of my truck. We don't have to contact each other. And then the next morning, you can go and take your father, and both of you get swabbed to make sure that you don't have the COVID. So we did that. She brought my father-in-law home. She went to the grocery store and met me, so I got all my groceries. That worked out really well. So I head on up to the lake. And from there,

I go up Highway 54 east. It's roughly about 25 miles. So I get through there and I get to Fordsville. It's a small town more like a burg. And I go left on Highway 60 north. Highway, yeah, and I go north on 261. And most of these roads, they're like a two-lane highway. So they're not, you know, that time of year, that time of evening, they're not very busy.

So I turn and then I got the next 11 miles. It's really dark and woodsy. So I'm kind of daydreaming. And usually I'd have the radio on in the car, but I was kind of distrapped thinking, oh, my God, I got COVID. I hope it doesn't get to my wife and father. And I was really concerned about that because he could have got really sick. So it's kind of about the best I can compare it to is I have a concealed carry weapon here in Kentucky.

And to get the license, you have to go through training. And they usually tell you there's a couple of different codes to keep your eyes out. when you're home it's cold white you don't have to look and you're in your home you have your security system on you don't have to really be aware of your surroundings well whenever you're outside the house you're supposed to be at code yellow which you're always supposed to be looking around and you know just if anything unusually you're supposed to be looking for it it's kind of like if you get in a car accident the person that hits the motorcycle always says oh i didn't see them well you don't see a 400 pound motorcycle with a 200 pound guy because you were either texting or you

weren't paying attention or you T-bone somebody's, oh, I didn't see the stoplight. So I was kind of, I kind of ashamed admit it, but I was kind of in that kind of, I was not in a cold yellow. I was more in a code white. I'm driving down the road, just kind of not really paying attention, daydreaming, thinking, you know, just worried and whatnot, and then thinking, gosh, I hope I don't get sick. I started having a sore throat. So I get about 10 miles up, a mile away from where I need to turn it on Highway 105 to go

towards the lake. And I'm driving along and all of a sudden, on the right side of the road, I see kind of a yellowish, white eye shine. And I can tell right away it was a deer. So I start slowing up. I was going about 55. And I slow up and I see it's a really big buck. Well, this buck, he comes towards me and then he walks right out on the highway and stops. So if I was hunting, it'd be a perfect shot. He's looking at his flank, but he's not looking at me. He's looking over to the other side of the road on the left.

So as I'm getting closer, I'm thinking, this thing's not going to get out of the way. So I drive up there, get closer, I almost come to a stop. Well, at that point, I'm thinking this deer isn't even looking at me for some reason, so I look over to the left. And on the left side of the

road west, there's a row of trees with a ravine that follows along the road. And then it stops. And further on, there's a second ravine that was maybe 30, 40 yards back. It also has trees. And it goes maybe 100 yards further than the first ravine. So it comes down.

There's a big field and there's a point at the end of that ravine. And right there, I see orange eyes shine. These things were about, you know, like when your headlights, you get illumination over to the side. Your headlights illuminate more than the road and your headlights are going left and right. So it was just in the field of vision there. And I see this eyes shine. And as near as I could tell, it was bright orange. They weren't glowing or anything, but they were picking up really nicely on my headlights.

And I see that it's moving. And it was actually right at the end of the trees, it looked like whatever it was, come out from behind the trees and was coming around the point. And it was like facing me. But it was only like four foot off the ground. So this deer, I'm getting closer. I'm not quite at a stop, but I'm almost there. So I look over there and there, there's things about,

it's just four foot off the ground. Well, if I got closer, it would illuminate it fairly well. I couldn't make out like facial identity, but this thing was moving like a spider. It scared the heck out of me. I'm like, what the heck am I looking at? What am I looking at? I can't really describe the movement other than it looks like a big old spider,

but it had a big head. I couldn't make out mouth, lips. that I wasn't illuminating it that well, but I saw the eyes and I would say the eyes were maybe like the size of a silver dollar and maybe four to six inches apart. It was pretty good and I could make out the head on this body and what was weird is I remember seeing the like the back of it was a flat. The head was right on the end face and me and you could see the top of the head rather than the rest of the body. Well then I look back over at this

deer and by then I'm almost just stopped because I'm just I don't know 20 30 yards from this deer the deer never looks at me he all of a sudden just bolts and when I say bolt you could tell that he was scared and it wasn't because of me because by then I'd almost come to stop and he never did look my way well he starts off in the field on the left side of the road in this thing that I was watching at the end of the trees that look like a spider it turns and and it started going towards this deer. It was moving fast. It wasn't bouncing.

It was, I really can't explain other than it looked like a huge spider, but it was moving really fluid. And as this deer takes off, this thing, I don't know how many steps it went. It was on all fours. It went a little ways. And then it went up on two feet. And then I about dropped a biscuit. It scared the crap on me.

And I realized what I was looking at. I really felt at that time I could identify what it was. was. And the weird thing about it, though, and I know usually in the past, I've listened to your show before, and I've heard a lot of times it seemed like they go faster when it was on four feet. This was the opposite. He was moving really fluid on four, but when he went up on two, he was really fast, and there was no doubt in my mind. I didn't see it catch the deer because they got out of my headlight range, but when it was going, there was no doubt in my mind he was going to catch that buck.

And when I started thinking about it, there was two things. Either this deer, and I'll tell you in a minute why I think this deer could have been tired. It didn't seem to move as fast as I've seen bucks move before. And there's a reason why I think that, and I'll tell you in a minute. The other thing, it could be this creature, if you're on all fours and catch up to it, it's going to be eye level probably with his horns. And I'm thinking if this thing attacked it, he could get his eye poked out with the horn, I think it went up on two feet so it could lunge forward and grab it and not get the horns on.

That's what I was thinking. But the reason I think it could be the other option that the deer might have been tired. At that point, they were far enough away. So I thought, I'm going to roll my window down and see if I can smell anything or hear anything. So I rolled my window down. By this time, I'm stopped on the highway. There's no cars. It was about 9 p.m.

I rolled my window down. It wasn't long. I could hear on the right side of the road. I hear a big crash. There's a woods that come right up to the road on that side. I hear a big crash. And I'm thinking, holy crap, there's something out there in the woods. I didn't see anything and I didn't wait around.

So after I heard that crash, I started thinking that this is what I thought after I got out of there. Something in there, I believe, was pushing this deer out or had been chasing it. And they have this ambush set up where all that second row of trees, there was something waiting there that was going to get easy pickings when the deer come by. So either this deer had been getting chased for a while or its adrenaline was running a while and had been getting harassed and moved around by a different creature in the woods. And this other one was just laying there fresh to the daisy waiting for it to come over there and grab it. But when I saw this thing chase after, there's no doubt in my mind, he was going to

catch that buck. But so I don't know. And that's pretty much what happened. I can't really really stayed that I mean I was scared but I was thankful luckily that I was in a car because if I as big as this thing was that I saw if I was on two feet anywhere near it I would have been scared to death it's an amazing account John it really is and you know I rarely ever talk about my encounter because I want the show to be about the guest and not me but I've seen that spider movement and it's creepy it's very very creepy you know when I first came out and talked about it all these research experts, you know, oh, they don't move like that or, you know, they look more like a primate, like an ape on all fours.

And I'm like, no, they look like a freaking spider on all fours. It's probably the most creepiest thing I've ever seen. When it popped up on two legs and it took off, how big do you think the creature was? Well, I think this was the biggest thing on two legs I've ever seen. I haven't been to a lot of NBA games, but I think at one time, I saw Patrick Ewing for the, I think he played for the Knicks at the time. When I was in the Coast Guard, I got an opportunity to see him play. And I think he was like seven foot.

This thing was, I'm going to say he was a little taller than that, but he would be at least twice as wide as Patrick Ewing. I couldn't see the shape of the head when he stood up, but when it was facing me, and I could tell that the head was, it looked like it was higher when it was on all fours, when it looked like the head was higher. It sort of had a cone.

It wasn't really prominent, but you could see a little bit of a ridge. And the way he was built, it wasn't like, when I hear some, I'm like a weightlifter, but it wasn't fat either. He looked kind of like,

I grew up in South Dakota when I was a kid in the Black Hills, did a lot of hunting. And you know how you, when you see a wild animal, that they're usually lean. Like they don't have a whole lot of fat on them, but they're not super muscular,

but they seem like they're, they're fit and lean. It was lean like that, but without the fat, this sucker was still probably, I would guesstimate, I want to say four foot wide. So, you know, so I'm guessing about seven and a half to eight foot, four foot wide. And it did kind of get narrower at the waist. And these arms, you can see when it got up, I could tell that the arms were very long. What I was thinking is, but you know how like you see a flamingo?

And people always say, oh, their ankles are way down there. Those are actually knees. I think the way this thing moved, now is the other thing. When it got up on two, you know how when you see somebody jogging, they kind of bounce? Yeah. This thing wasn't bouncing. It just got up and it was, I mean, it was like one fluid motor. It took off on the fours, but it just went right up onto two and didn't miss the beat.

And it wasn't bouncing. Once it was on two's running, there was no bouncing going on. Yeah, their movement's very, very smooth. Whether they're on four legs or two, it doesn't really matter. They're just as smooth and fast and very fluid motion, as you described for sure. How far away from the cabin did you have this encounter? Well, that was about 10 miles in. There's a little intersection called McQuady that I was about almost exactly a mile from. So I was on that stretch of road, I was 10 miles in on an 11 miles. stretch. The road goes further, but at the 11 miles, I always turn, and that's Highway 105

south, and that goes the rest of the way to the lake. And my cabin's really close there. So I'm going to stay, it was probably about 16 miles from my cabin. Yeah, as a crow flies, that's really, really close. Were you nervous going back to the cabin after seeing something like that? Yeah, what was weird about it? So when I got up to McQuady, I like took off when I heard that up in the woods. I took off to McQuady and right at that four-way intersection, there's a little bitty post office. It's like a little mobile traveler. And I pulled in there and I started kind of just thinking, what the heck did I just see? And it was going through my mind. And then I realized that maybe I should just drive back through there. Well, about the time I thought that here comes a big

semi coming right down towards where I came from. And I thought, well, by that time, I'm probably not going to see anything. So after I quarantine, I figure on the way back home in seven days, I'll just stop there and look around. Well, when I did, you couldn't really see a whole lot. There's, because of the, it's where I actually saw this creature was private property. So I couldn't really walk up there. But like around the road and in the big field behind the trees, I couldn't see any side of a carcass or any big horns. I figured since it was a buck, I might see some horns laying down on the ground somewhere. But if there was, somebody might have come. Sometimes. you'll see deer get hit by cars and you'll see people come by and cut the horns off.

So maybe somebody saw it and collected the horns, but I didn't see any sign of a carcass up there. So if it caught it, which I'm sure it did, it probably carried it off. Yeah, and I know you're kind of a science guy, John, and I mean, you work as a nurse for a living. And you had a lot on your mind, you know, with COVID and you're going out there to kind of quarantine. Did this affect you at all seen this thing? Well, it really, in a way, you know, I've always believed and I can't say that I'm a always been a big, big foot person, but I was wary of it. You know, growing up in the Black Hills of South Dakota, I heard a few stories from hunters, you know, secondhand stories, never really knew anybody, but you hear from somebody that knows somebody, you know, stories. It wasn't like a big, a lot of big foot sidings, but I did hear some growing up.

So, you know, I've been interested in it. And then after the sighting, I got really into it. But I've always been, you know, interested in like supernatural and crypto zoology, stuff like that. But I would say it affected me by really having appreciation. Whenever I drive and I'm in the city and I learned a lesson to always be vigilant. I really caught myself that time. And it was weird. That's the time that I saw it when I wasn't really expecting it.

Because there's times I'm always looking for deer, coyotes. Anything I see along the road, it's always fun. Sometime on the way up to the lake, I'll count how many deer sets eyes. I count it on the way up. And if it's daytime when I'm up there, I count how many deer I see, just kind of fun and I watch. But that time when it caught me, I wasn't watching, so it affected me in the way that I pay attention a lot more when I'm driving. You know, it's dangerous simply not to pay attention. God knows I've had patients come in that were, you know, texting and whatnot.

So I see what happens if you're not paying attention. But honest to God, my mind was just dreaming. and I was worried about my father-in-law and wife, and that's when I saw it. It's like when you least expect it. That's what's weird about it. Just totally unexpected. So I have a really appreciation for the fact that there's a lot of stuff out there

that we don't know about that we're just still finding out. Yeah, and I understand. You know, I'm fascinated that it only happened 16 miles from where your cabin's at, and it's a cabin where you're not there very often. And is there other empty cabins in that area? Well, the place where my cabin is, it's in a, like a developed, not really developed. It's like what they call secular road right across the street from the lake. So I can see the lake from the front porch.

But behind me, it's like a hill. And behind me, there's a whole bunch of woods. I've never really heard or seen anything suspicious there except for one time. When I was, I built the cabin myself when I was building the cabin, this was like seven years ago. There was one evening, I had the porch on there. already and I had been taking wood out of my pickup. I got a Ford F-150 and the tailgate was down and I was sitting there and there's like a big ditch to the just to the side of my driveway. Well, I see some motion coming up there and I see this big cat creeping up there. So I'm just

still not moving. And I thought, oh, here comes a bobcat. When it got up on the driveway, I realized it's a lot bigger than a bobcat and it's got a long tail. And I knew exactly what I was looking at. I've seen them in the Black Hills of South Dakota. growing up, I hadn't seen a mountain line in years, but I knew right then it came under my, like right by the back of the tailgate. And I measured him like his back was, his back was just about as high as the bottom of my tailgate. And he turned and I kind of marked him on my wheel. And then I went out there and measured that I think the body was about four foot long. So anyway, long story short, I moved a little bit, tried to get my phone. It was sitting there.

And as soon as I moved, it was gone. And to me, that kind of, there's a mountain line. So I'm thinking, And, you know, people say, well, how come people don't get pictures of Bigfoot? I was in my car, and it didn't occur to me to get the camera when I saw this thing. It scared the crap out of me. I wouldn't even think of a camera. Well, even when I did see a mountain line, as soon as I moved, I could not get my camera. This thing was wary, and it moved. Well, you know, then I'd ask the game warden the next day, I fish a lot.

When I seen this mountain line, I was out fishing, and I saw this game warden. And I asked him, is there mountain lines around here? He goes, yeah, we're getting more sightings. And he believed me because they had just gotten a report. in the same vicinity of a mountain line. So I believe there's mountain lines up in that area by my cabin. And I think that there's certain times it seem like you hear about more bigfoot sightings in that area and they seem to be in the fall more.

And my theory is we're not that far from the Ohio River in my town Owensboro. I'm not that far from Spotsville. You're still here. I'm not sure you know the Spotskill Monster. I still hear stories all the time locally from people I know that have, Oh, somebody's seen it not long ago on the Green River, right up by the loft and dam. They're building a new bridge. But the old bridge was the first time that was seen, I think, by a trooper in Henderson.

But so like this Ohio River follows along the whole way. So I think that there's certain times these things migrate and they stay loosely within 20 or 30 miles of the Ohio River. That's just the theory of mine. But it seemed like you hear more activity in the fall. Yeah, you're right. Fall. I think a lot of that probably has to do with the food sources. Let me ask you, John, if you had the opportunity, would you want to see another one?

I can honestly say probably if I was on foot and saw this, I probably would be giving a different answer right now. Because I know the pucker factor would be high as big as this sucker was. I wouldn't want to be anywhere close. I'm just thankful that this thing was focused on this deer and wasn't focused too much on me. I think I'd just come through the middle of a hunt and just kind of happenstance that I was able to see this. But I would say I wouldn't mind seeing one if I was driving. I would love to see one at daylight if I was a safe enough distance that I could hit the gas and get away. But if I was close and what scared me when I'd rolled my window down and this thing was over in the right,

I could hear a branch break. I don't know if there's a warning or if it's something coming through the trees. But that was getting too close for comfort, even in the car. And I'm thinking, what if it got close? I'm in a Ford F-1506 cylinder with a clutch. I'm thinking if something come out there, he could probably do something to me or smash the truck before I could, I wouldn't really squeal too fast.

I mean, it takes me about five minutes to get up to the speed limit. So I wouldn't want to see one that close, but if it was a safe distance and I could see it, maybe daytime would be better, then I wouldn't mind seeing one, but I wouldn't want to be any closer than what I was. To me, it's not as scary as some of the ones that I've heard on your show where people have had, you know, in a hunting stand or something, it's not, to me,

it's nowhere near that. But it's still scary. I'll tell you that. Oh, yeah. I mean, you're seeing something that really shouldn't exist, John. And so, you know, when people say, I wasn't scared at all, they're probably lying to you because they are scary to see. And you're seeing something, your brain does a whole reset when you see one. And I'll tell you that spider movement that they do, there's no primate that moves like that on this planet. It's, It's a very odd, very strange movement. And think of a spider for the audience. That's how they move on all fours.

I mean, it is creepy when they get into that position. I wanted to ask you, John, about this incident after your sister passed away. Before we get into that, what do you think Sasquatch is? And obviously, no one knows, and there's no wrong answer, but you got a pretty good look at them. I'm curious what you think. well i've heard you ask people that on your show so i kind of dwelt on that for a little bit and my thought is if you look at our planet and all the creatures on the planet you've got the animals and then you've got humans which are you know unique from the rest of the animals

even though we don't look at but we are the most dangerous critters on the planet that we know of because we've been the dominant species and pretty much take over and i'm thinking that these creatures, I think there's a third rail. I don't think it's all human. I don't think it's all animal. I think it's near as I could think is like if you went to another planet and found a life form, you know, we'd refer it to aliens, but what would you call on what species? I think it's a species that we haven't come to grips with and been able to identify.

But I also think these things are smarter than an animal. And I think that they're very smart around humans. I think they're smart enough to know that they could kill us. and snap us like a twig, but they also know that if they do that very frequently, I think they're smart enough to know there's more people like us that will show up. If you snatch one, they know I think their woods are going to be invaded and there's going to be a whole bunch of people out there with weapons. And I do think they know what guns are, which to them, you know, I wouldn't want my home

invaded by more and more if I'm trying to get rid of something. I'd try to walk them out of the woods and scare them all. But I also think they're not smart enough to build fire. stuff like that, but I think that they have a language. And the reason I think that is I believe that they're capable of passing stories amongst them generation of generation. The reason they respect but fear humans to a degree, I think that they've seen what happened to Native Americans, how they used to rule the roost, and then white people started coming from Europe, and they saw what happened to them and how they got run out. So I think they have a healthy fear

of humans. And when we see them, it's either by accident. accident or we got into them where they're hunting and focused on the hunt or if they have young close by and they're guarding and chasing us out. I think those are really the only three times that we encounter these things. The rest of the time, I think they're smart enough to stay hidden. Like in Kentucky, you got the mammoth cave. There's unexplored parts of that cave. There's farmers all the time that find entrances and they'll come out from University of Kentucky or somewhere and say, you know, this might be another entrance. They might all be interconnected somehow. There's so many cave systems in Kentucky, and a lot of them are hidden. A lot of farmers

find openings on cave that they had to land for years and didn't even know it was there. They're not that easy to find on some of them. So I think Kentucky's a good place where they can move around very easily. I think they're smart, and I think that they probably migrate and get out of the cold and get out of the heat. So I don't know exactly what I would call it. I would say a third rail on the planet between not animal, not human, but a third speed. that's somewhere in between. Yeah, and I think that's a fair answer, John. You know, when eyewitnesses come forward,

the most common description is it looks somewhere between a gorilla and a man, but more manlike, but you know as well as I do, that there's nothing manlike about that spider crawl you saw. Like you said, when it looked like a spider, it looked more beast, stalking, evil. When it was running, it did appear more than a man. Put it this way. if I saw it on all fours and it was close to me,

I don't think I would, if I felt like in danger, I don't think I would have a problem raising a gun, shooting it. If it was standing on two legs at the same distance looking at me, like even if like it might attack, I'd be a lot more reluctant to shoot it. And they don't, it moves fluid. It's just like, it's like you can't believe it.

It's like, what the heck is this thing? You can see like the limbs moving, but I can't explain. It's like, it's almost like they're walking on their toes or something. something like it makes me think of the flintstones whenever the fred twinkle toes and go it was like that it was moving like fred twinkle toes bowling he was he wasn't moving much of the slay it's like he was floating or something it was weird but i tell you one thing um i'm 55 years old so you know i've been around i've been a nurse for years and years i at work i i don't

have a qualm at sharing with my co-workers you know i won't tell patients to make him think my nurse is crazy, but I've had conversations with a lot of different employees and several doctors. And at one point, there was several of them kind of, there was a group of maybe five or six. And this was during COVID when I was on the COVID unit and everybody has to gown up in the room. So at times, everybody's exhausted and you're kind of hanging out in the nurses area. So we got on the story of somebody said, I heard you had a sighting of a Sasquot. So I said, well, let me tell you.

And everybody was listening. There was two doctors there. Well, you could tell a few people were kind of snickering and giggling. And one said, aren't you embarrassed to say this? I said, at my age, I said, I don't care. I said, it won't hurt my feelings if you don't believe me. You're not going to make me lose any sleep tonight if you don't believe me. But I'm going to tell you what I saw.

Well, anyways, after it was all said and done, there was a couple of them kind of went off, giggling, and two people stayed behind. One of them was a doctor. And one says, I believe them because I had it. citing. He said, I just don't have the balls like you did to say it in front of people because they'll think I'm crazy. And I said, well, you're a higher pay grade than me. People might, you know, you might get booted off some important post or something. So I see why you keep your mouth shut. But so we had a private conversation that was kind of interesting. He's a

hunter and he was telling me about something that happened. But it was kind of funny that, like, of all the people that weren't laughing, I could tell through the whole conversation he was listening really close. So I thought he must have had a side. or somehow he believes. But it's just interesting, like, how people take it. But at my age, I don't really care at work. I'll share it with people. And they can believe or not believe me.

Yeah, well, I got to tell you, John, I've had a lot of nurses on the show. I've had a lot of doctors. I've had a lot of surgeons on the show. Not everyone says what they do for a living. Like, you know, you said you were a nurse, but a lot of them don't. And there's a lot, I mean, cops, judges. as people from all walks of life I've had on the show that have seen these creatures, and I think it's really cool that you had the courage to come forward.

I wanted to ask you about this incident with your sister, and I'm curious. I'm fascinated by it. I know it's a tragic situation, but tell me about this weird incident that happened after your sister passed away. Okay. Well, I'll start off with you remember, I'm not sure how old you are, Wes,

but do you remember when the Exxon Valdez oil spill happened up in Alaska? Oh, yeah. Okay. So at the time, I was in the U.S. Coast Guard. So you're not going to believe where I was stationed. Well, I was on a ship for a couple of years, but then I got transferred to the pay and finance center of all places, Topeka, Kansas. So back then, people even in Kansas, she'd say you're in the Coast Guard, where are you stationed here in Topeka? They laughed at you.

Oh, no. But we were in the federal building, and we were up on the top floor. the reason we were there, and I'll tell you in the short and suite of it, under that, in those years, they didn't have Homeland Security. We were under the Department of Transportation. Well, at the time, the Secretary of Transportation was Elizabeth Dole, where her husband was Senator there. So anyway, long story short, next thing you know is our Pay and Finance Center got moved to Topeka, Kansas. So that's why we're there. Plus, it was a central time zone. I was a pay auditor at that time. I was a yeoman. and so I would do things with payroll and you had to be able to talk to people on the east and west coast up in Alaska, Hawaii.

So it was a good time zone to be able to do all that work. So anyway, when the oil spill happened, they needed volunteers to go up there. And when I heard what the assignment was, I was a single guy at the time. I said, yeah, I'd like to do that. So I go up there to the Pay and Finance Center report to Anchorage, Alaska. I was reported to the Marine Safety Office. and I was up there. I lived up there for about six months,

and I had a plum job. I didn't have to clean oil since I was a pencil pusher, basically. My job was to find people through the Coast Guard with different skills and make the arrangements to get them up there and get them on these little sea planes and send them to different places where they needed to work. So I was one of the people that coordinated all that. So anyways, I was staying at this motel in about six months in.

This was on July 11, 1989. I'll never forget the day. I would usually come in in the morning to the Marine Safety Office, and you would come in and you had a code on the door. Well, when I got there, the captain of the whole unit was standing there, and he said, John, I need to, need you to come with me. And I thought, man, I'm trying to think what I did the day before. Did I do something that was wrong or did I send somebody the wrong place?

So as we're walking down this hall, I saw his big door of his office was open, and he told me that you need to come in here and talk to your father and take as long as you need. And he's told me where he would be. He said, you just come find me when you're done and let me know if you need anything. So I knew something was wrong. So I get down there. You know, back then they were landlines. So I remember seeing the phone receiver laying on his desk.

He said, sit in my desk. And he gives me a water bottle or a glass of water. And he goes out. And it was my dad. He told me, I had a sister. her name was Sarah. She was two years younger than me. At the time, she was 20 and I was 22. And my father said, your sister has committed suicide. And he told me they found her and everything. So the reason I'm telling you that is because I told my dad, I said, dad, before he told, could tell me what happened. I said, I know before I got to work, I knew something was wrong. And so he hadn't quite told me yet what happened. And he goes, well, how do you know something's wrong? I said, Because last night at the hotel where I was staying, I was reading this book. Do you remember back in the 60s, the Hade Ashberry?

There was a book called The Hate Ashberry. It was the story of the hippies and the scene in the 60s. I was reading that book. It was about sometime after midnight my time in Alaska. I was reading this book, and I remember I had sweatpants on in a green, like a really lime green striped shirt. and I remember reading this book and all of a sudden the book fell out of my hand and next thing I know I feel numb

and then I look and the next thing I see, I'm seeing my body laying down on the bed I'm like this I'm thinking of my mind I thought it was a dream what happened and anyways I was out of my body

I could see myself and it was going around in circles and I could I was focused on my shirt and face like what is going on? And I think it happened for maybe like five minutes. And then all of a sudden I came to and I'm like back in my body. And I could feel something was wrong. I felt numb.

So I told my dad something's wrong. Well, anyways. So when I found out she died, a month later when I found out what time it was, it was the exact same time that happened to me. And they say a lot of times when something happens to a sibling that's really close and we were very close, that the other one knows something's wrong. I think that somehow I end up having some problems with the whole thing and I talked to a minister back then that told me, he said, after talking to you, you feel like you keep mentioning you were scared that your sister laid in pain. What she did, she put a pistol to her heart and pulled the trigger.

And I tell anybody that's listening, if you ever feel like suicidal, even a thought, talk to somebody. My sister never talked to anybody, not even me and she could have. and it's still to this day breaks my heart when I talk about it. But this minister, after talking to it really helped me out. He said, I feel like you have this out of body experience. It was a message from your sister and letting you know that she did not die in pain.

She didn't lay there in pain. You probably were out of your body for the amount of time that she died and she was numb just like what you felt. And that really kind of put it together for me made me feel a lot more whole about what happened. But Wes, I'm telling you, I was not passed out. I went on drinking or drugs or anything. I had to be at work the next morning.

And I know, like, I could see myself down on the bed. It was bizarre. And I could even see the way the book fell when I was out of my body. It was just bizarre. But I think it was just the message that somehow the good Lord let me feel in my mind that what he knew what my biggest worry was, that she died there laying in pain and agony. And I think that she did not.

But it was just, and I never knew what really at that time, I'd never heard astral projection or auto body experience. It was only like a couple of years later, I started researching and started figuring out what that was called and everything. It was bizarre. But now you hear people, I've heard people at the hospital, you know, have experience that almost died, come back and have had those kind of experiences. So there's definitely something to it. Yeah, my heart goes out to you. I even got a little choked up when you were talking about your sister. I was muted out.

And what a tragic, tragic situation. And it breaks my heart, you know, with people, they get in that situation and they feel like it's their only option. You know, it's a very desperate, low situation to be in. And there's no doubt in my mind. She's probably in paradise with God. You know, in a way, I think maybe she was trying to tell you goodbye. Yeah. I feel like it was a way to let me know that she was that peace in some strange convoluted way that she wasn't suffering.

She must have been suffering greatly because she never talked to anybody. She was always like even when she was in high school, the most pretty popular girl. And she had a great job when she was in Dallas, Texas at the time. But she had all kinds of friends and never showed any signs of depression. Well, a little anecdote. I've been a med-surge nurse for, like, I believe, 23 years. And through the COVID and everything, a lot of people had gotten, I know people took early retirement. They just get burned out.

It's so stressing when you're working the different units, wrapping your face up with an 95 mask and a shield. And I wasn't working the COVID floor every time, but I was getting floated down there a lot. But I see the people that work there night in and the night out. My God, God bless them because I couldn't do it every single night. there's people that did though I don't know how they did it but some people left earlier retired but I really had thought recently a lot about my sister and I ended up getting out of the med surge nursing and I just started learning how to be a psychiatric nurse and where I can maybe start helping people that are actually looking for help so I'm I've only been a psychiatric nurse for about five months

and I'm really learning a lot and I feel like maybe I've done a little good so far, but I feel like, God, if I could just touch somebody and just the biggest message is to convince people, if you feel sad or depressed at all, talk to somebody. Yeah, I'm glad you said that, man. And for anyone out there who's, you know, in that position or feeling really down, 988 on your phone, if you dial it, it's a suicide and crisis hotline, but even emotional distress, there's nothing wrong asking for help. for the people out there in that state, you matter.

You definitely matter. And, you know, I've been reading the Bible a lot more. And I try not turn this into a religious show. But, you know, God has a, we're all broken. All of us are broken. All of us have gone through. I think when you get to a certain point in life, we've all kind of suffered the same, you know, whether it be death of loved ones or heartache or betrayal or we're all broken.

on some level. And it's strange, man. I think God has a special place in his heart for broken people. You know, I want to ask you, I had Nate on the show. This is back 875, the Kern River. And he talked about this near-death experience. And if you haven't had a chance to listen to it, it's pretty fascinating. And I wanted to ask you, you know, you being a nurse, have you ever had someone die and then

come back and claim that they saw the other side or sports? spoke with God? I haven't had, I have friends who have had that. I have had one time. I had a patient that was, that was actively dying and their family was in the room. And this patient hadn't talked in probably two or three days. And they sat up as, you know, as much as up to a weak person. They were in the bed elevated, but they moved their head forward and enough off the

pillow. And she said, they're beautiful. and her daughter said, what's beautiful, Mama? She said, the angels. That was the last word she ever spoke. And then she went right back to being out of it within an hour. She died. But that was one that really touched me.

In another time, we had one of our nursing assistants. We had a patient that passed away. And she came down the hall as white as a ghost. This was after the code was done and everything. And we weren't able to resuscitate this patient. but she come down, why does the ghost? I said, what's wrong? Did that really hit you hard?

She goes, no, I don't play that. But she said, when I come out of the room, they were in there after the body had been moved. The body was going down the hall. And she said, an angel. She said, I know it was an angel. It had wings. I could see it. It wasn't solid, but it was there enough to know.

And it was following along behind as they were pushing the person down the hall. It's making me kind of choke up talking about it. But that was one story. two that that was like really sticks in my mind. Yeah, it's an amazing account. And God bless you for what you do, John, because I couldn't do what you guys do. I couldn't do what nurses do.

And I got to tell you, every time I've been in the hospital, I've been in the hospital in a serious state twice in my life. And God bless the nurses, man, because they're the ones actually taking care of you and doing everything for you and being your advocate. and if it wasn't for the nurses, I'm not sure I'd be around

because I never saw the doctor. The doctor's work, though, that I would not trade positions with the doctor for nothing. They're a doctor 24-7. They can't even go to church without somebody wanting them to look at the mole on their neck

or something, you know, I'm only a nurse when I'm at work. It seemed like I don't have an office with work piling up. But I feel like I'm a good nurse, but I have a lot of respect. I have coworkers that are like so far ahead of me light years. So nursing is very humbling. Whenever somebody thinks they know at all,

they don't, you learn something every day and every day you try to learn something to make your skills better. But there are people that are so far up much ahead of me, and I feel like I'm a good nurse, but some of people that I work with, I'm in awe of. Yeah, I got to tell you, John, thank you so much for taking the time to come on. And God bless, you know, God bless you for what you do. And God bless all the nurses out there. And you don't realize how important their role is until you're in an ICU bed. And then you find out real quick how important nurses are, man. So God bless you. It's not a job for the week, that's for sure. And thank you so much for sharing about your sister. I know that, I mean, that's beyond personal. You didn't have to share it. But I'm really glad that you

did, man. And no doubt in my mind, man, she's looking after you, looking over you. And she's in paradise brother thank you so much for taking the time i appreciate that west i appreciate the kind words and i want to throw some uh some uh goodwill your way too i have had especially since that's sighting i really listen to your show a lot and i learn a lot i really enjoy your show there's many nights when i'm off work and i'm up at my little cab and i'll have a fire out there and i sit right outside there at the fire listen to your show sometimes i have to move my chair away from the woods so i can see the wood and i can see the wood and on one side because it creeps me out having the woods behind me and we always laugh my wife said

you must be out she looked out the window one day and she told me later you must have been listening to that Sasquatch Chronicles because I've seen you move your chair and said you're darn right I did I want to keep an eye on the woods but you've given me many many hours of entertainment and pleasure and I really appreciate what you do you make all our lives better it's very kind of you John thank you Wes and that's it for tonight everyone remember if you've had an encounter shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com and if you're in a bad position

dial 988 if you're thinking of suicide or you're just going through a tough time. We need you. You matter. Until next time, everyone. I heard there was a secret code that David played and it blows like this the fourths, the fifths,

the minor fall and the middle. major lift, the baffled king composing her. Your faith was strong, but you needed proof. You saw her bathing on the room. And she tied you to her kitchen chair, and she broke your throne, and she cut your hair. And from your lips, she drew the holl. Well, baby, I've been here before.

I've seen this room and I've walked this floor. You know, I used to live alone. And I've seen your flag on the marble arch And love is not a victory march It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah Well there was a time when you let me know What's really good now you But remember when I moved in you

And the holy doubt was moving to And every breath we drew is hollings And it's not a cry that you hear at night. It's not somebody who's seen the light. It's a cold and it's a broken. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.