Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:895 The Creature On Grandpa's Property

Episode Date: October 14, 2022

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I'm aware of it, we're working on it, and it should be a final solution for these errors people were getting with the app. So that's what's been going on with Sasquatch Chronicles. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up, and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language, and they were chumpturing away, back and forward, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like. And there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Jesus, come.

Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in. Uh-uh. This is Zizi from Southern California.

You are listening to my favorite show, Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We're going to be chatting with Cody. And Cody grew up in southeast Oklahoma, kind of around his grandfather's property, and there's a lot of weird things that happened around his grandfather's property.

But he was out hunting, and he seemingly woke up one of these creatures, came right up to it. And it was within a few feet of him when it popped up and spun around. I'll kind of like Cody go into it. If you've had an encounter and he'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. And that app will be resolved by the end of this weekend.

Thank you again for being here. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Cody to the show. Cody, thanks for coming on. Yeah, Wes, thank you very much for having me. Yeah, man. and if you would take me back to 2008, kind of on your grandfather's property, kind of, you know, explain your grandfather's property and what you were doing and what happened?

What did you end up seeing? Yeah, definitely, Wes. I'll go into detail on that. Kind of starting off and given a background, you know, I grew up in the outdoors. Hunting and fishing, that's really what I love to do. You know, I later had an opportunity to go play football. but honestly, any time that I was out of school or not a practice, I was in the woods or on the water. A big bow hunter, I'm trapped growing up.

So, you know, have an in-depth knowledge of anything that's, you know, there in the woods or on the water. I grew up on a place out in the hill country. So, you know, we were always around animal and animals such as deer, you know, and really honed my skills as an outdoorsman and a trapper there. at this span of time, it was in 2008. I was going to school and playing football in college, and I'd had an injury. So that being said, I had a break during a little bit after spring break. This would have been end of April, beginning of May time frame.

My granddad lives up there. He had a close friend. They'd go up to the coffee shop, you know, every morning and they would drink coffee. And he had a, he had a, his finger was always always, on where the deer and turkeys were. You know, wherever they may be, he or his buddies were talking about it. Getting back to the story, just kind of gives the background on this property, one of his really good friends.

It's very remote and out of the way, it's kind of a, you go up and over a first ridge of the foothills there, kind of the foothills are base of the big mountains. And you go and there's a small logging trail, It goes down and it opens up. He'd cleared for some cattle back in there, kind of a horseshoe shape. This place was just loaded with deer and turkeys. So, you know, my best buddy and I that I grew up with, we both headed up there to

grandpas and we got back in there. He drove us down and he said, hey, you know, boys, he sat us down. He said, boys, this is where the turkeys ought to be in this little valley. You guys, you know, go down in there. And, you know, we obviously, we were about 18, 19 at the time. grew up turkey hunting so he had no issues he goes hey y'all go get after him you know he was not to the point he he loved listening to him and wasn't as mobile you know as it used to be used to be one of those where you would follow behind him you know footstep for footstep you know behind him and trying to keep up

well that being said he kind of let the the young guns go get after it um kind of a detail behind that time of year it was kind of a late cold front That region would be a little bit higher elevation. We'd had a big cold front. It was a high-pressure cold front, so it obviously dropped the temperatures down in the 40s at night and the 50s during the day, which historically, you know, that temperature is, you know, in the 70s or 80s, and turkeys are goblin and the, you know, the dogwoods are blooming.

This front with the high pressure, it completely shut them down. So they had went up into the woods up a little bit higher in the timber. Weren't gobbling, we're completely silent. So I told Alex, you know, there's a horseshoe. it went to the east and the west. I go, hey, go around to the east side, and I'm going to go around and hook around to the left and to the west, and we'll go at our separate ways and see if we can root some turkeys.

Because we'd sat up on the ridge overlooking this valley, pretty much the majority of the morning, and had been completely dead silent with no noise whatsoever, and high pressure, you know, and that's just kind of the name of the game when you're turkey hunting early in the season. So that being said, we split off and granddad, you know, grandpa, he said, now you boys be back here I'll be sitting here waiting at the truck

before dark and he he was a big stickler on you know we were kind of wild and would ramble all over the place and get out of range pretty quick so he had it he gave us some VHF radios and compasses we'd hunted in there

in years past so we weren't worried about it and kind of blew him off we both left our VHF radios there with him on the bed of the truck and he didn't know it so as I moved off to the west it was probably about 3.30 in the afternoon. Chilling back off, the sun had kind of gone behind the high ridge as I looked up the mountain. This ridge was probably a half mile up before it drops off in the back.

The key to this story is that the backside of this was kind of a place that we call Round Prairie. It was uninhabited at the time. There's no access, back roads, anything. So it's completely cut off. off to the public, you know, driving dirt roads or any of that, it's completely wooded and wild. So there's nothing back behind that. I said, okay, well, I'll head up there, you know, and at that point in time, you normally will hunt turkeys in the morning, they go to Rooseney, and they'll gollar up before they go up

in the tree to go to bed. And I went up this box canyon to this, you know, this high ridge, and I kind of started traveling down. Well, I remember specifically that the wind was in my face. It was blowing up the mountain. I was traveling down the top of this ridge. And it was, you know, it was kind of funny. It was a cooler year.

So the foliage and the leaves hadn't completely grown green yet or grown back. So there were still quite a bit of oak leaves. You know, in the bottom, you could hear squirrels. You could hear anything if you're coming through, whatever it may be. I get up on top of this ridge and relatively thick and then you get into some black jack oaks that go from pine to oak trees

and it's more of an oak ridge you know so you can see down the side I remember specifically taking note as I got up on top of that ridge I looked and said man there's a bigot trail up here so this is and thinking forward you know forward thinking to

you know Thanksgiving that following year Christmas you know in that time frame when deer season opening so this is a big deer trail So this is a spot that I'm going to come back to. As I travel down that, the wind was in my face, and it's kind of funny as you're in the woods and, you know, get used to scent control and hunting deer. You know, I've hunted elk and all that. So I'm always very cognizant as to where the wind is blowing and where my scent's traveling. I walk down this ridge with the wind in my face, and I get about halfway down it.

I stopped twice to glass, and I hit a crow call once or twice to try and see if I could get a shot gobble from the turkeys if they were in the area, you know, obviously because the foliage wasn't completely on the trees yet, so you weren't hidden. You know, once you got skylined on that ridge, you could, I mean, heck, a turkey can see you. They see very well. So, I mean, I was decked out in Mossioch, you know, from head to toe, and I had a face mask on and gloves. I'm just a stickler for that because I bow hunt a lot as well. But I had stopped in glass and I was kind of taking it easy. It was obviously I was in pretty decent shape, getting up that ridge and just catching my breath. I remember specifically coming down the top of this ridge and it was almost like a, it was almost, you know, like a, I can't explain it in depth.

it's you know you see like a shockwave come off of a of a bomb and it was like very close range it just I heard a big whoop and it felt it just it almost knocked me off my feet and and leaves went everywhere and I and I was like what you know what is this I locked up and it almost it it it was almost like a force came up in front of me so I had as I took a step forward it was almost like I'd a booby trap go off. And it, and it, and it, it, it almost put me on my butt. It was almost like a shockwave hit me. And I don't know if that was sheer fear.

Or if it was something putting off some kind of a, a defense mechanism, I don't know. All I know is that it froze me up. In the half a millisecond that it took me to take that step and this thing, and the best that I can explain it is as I walk down this trail, there were black jack oaks and there were some thicker brush, you know, some green briar and blackberry bushes kind of off to the sides. And the best thing that I can that I can pull together is I,

as I took that half step forward, it was kind of up to my front left. I would say no more than eight or ten feet away. You know, I had my gun in my, it wasn't across my arms, but I had it on the stock. And I had my, I was able to, in that millisecond, swing my gun over as a single shot. So it had a hammer. I was able to pull that hammer back.

And as soon as I did that, what I do recall is that I instantly, I saw dark brown, almost reddish fur, dark brown, super, super dark. and in that millisecond I took to turn that shotgun and taking that step to aim that's whenever I felt just that shockwave and I can't even begin to

explain the amount of force that felt like hitting me as best as I can think it was like a giant deep uh and you know like I'm used to all kinds of noises and I don't know that I've ever heard

It was a deep deeper than I can even go. And we hunt gaiters and stuff down here, I think that was probably the closest or deepest that I could get. Maybe it mixed with just a monster sound. And I don't know if that was from the vocalization or from it hitting its feet to the ground or if it was from its hands. But I remember seeing that dark rush brown. And it's almost like, you know, you've,

As soon as you realize, it doesn't matter what you're doing, as soon as you realize you mess something up. And, like, there's no turning back. That's what I instantly felt. And then I felt that shockwave and that sound. The best that I can recall is being that close to something that I instantly, the first thing that went through my head was Big Bear. You know, being on the ground, being close to the ground.

The second thing is, seeing brown and red, but then seeing the side of a face. And the side of this face being within eight to ten yards of me, or not eight to ten yards, eight to ten feet. I see the side of a face. I see a big ear. I see the side of an eye and then I see a hand. And as soon as I, in my mind was having a very hard time processing this, you know, within a millisecond of me taking that step and turning with the gun and having it cock is whenever I felt that shockwave and I almost, you know, as you're almost about to black

out, you know, you see kind of tunnel vision or maybe something happening so fast that you feel like you're going to, it's almost slow motion. And my mind couldn't process exactly what that was. As it turned, it was right on the edge of this ridge that goes downhill. What I, what I begin to realize is this thing had all. and then it had legs. It moved from point A to point B faster than I could even do anything but turn my head.

It came from the top of this ridge and its bed from the best that I can recollect to making that noise or making a shockwave go off. I don't know if that was its leg or its arm hitting the ground and or making that sound the way that it moved down the side of that ridge So if anybody knows about those mountains in southeast Oklahoma, they call Oklahoma Rock on houses that for a reason.

It's that and big granite and shale rock. So there were boulders underneath these oak leaves going down this ridge. It went straight down the side of this ridge faster than I can even. I don't know. As fast as it moved, it moved as fast. as say you're on a 10-store building and you drop a rock or something off of it, that's how fast it moved. It went from point A to point B in a second, second and a half.

As I was, as my mind, this was happening within, you know, a couple seconds. I see this thing and I don't know how it was moving. The best I can recollect is that it was on it. its butt or maybe using its legs that I couldn't see, but it looked like it was sliding down the hill or the ridge super, super fast. And the reason I say that is because as it was going down, there were those little black jack oak trees. And I could see an arm come out, pull down, arm come out, pull down, arm come out.

So it was using those trees to pull itself down that hill. And I don't know whether or not those legs were bent or if it was on its butt sliding. I can't tell exactly what it did. It got from 10 feet in front of me on its bed, on its butt, laying down, seeing the side of its face, turning, stopping me from doing anything whatsoever. And I don't really know exactly how to explain that force that it did or what it did, but it stopped me from moving. I couldn't react or do anything. And I was in self-defense mode. You know, at that point, I was in tears, didn't know exactly what was happening.

I do know that, you know, it was a, it was massive. I'm six, seven and played football. Its arms were as big as my legs are, if not bigger, across the shoulder. As it turned going down the hill away from me, its shoulders were every bit as big as my F-250 hood. It was probably five foot across or five foot wide. I remember everything and it happened in slow motion and just trying to think back on that

just puts me, it puts me in a different place. It's a, it's scary. I remember it looking kind of side eye or slant eyed at me. It had huge eyes from that close up. I would say it was a mix between, uh, uh, and it, you know, it had a almost, like a mix between a great ape and a human.

It didn't have, it had big eyes. I would say those eyes were probably as big as, I'd say they're much bigger than a ping pong ball, maybe like tennis ball size, just huge eyes. I saw whites in those eyes. As it turned its eyes, I could see white. Eyes were completely dark black. I couldn't tell exactly.

It was very, very dark black eyes. Had a very, very strong jawline, protruding brow. And when it was headed away from me, I could see a big, it almost looked like it had big humped up shoulders and no neck. Had a big, big forehead, but it had hair all the way down to the brow on its eyes. It almost looked like it had kind of a grown-out hair on its face, kind of a beard that grew into its chest and neck. I do know that there was on its, on its knuckles, and it had black fingernails kind of grown out in, like, conical-shaped-looking fingernails. You know, it had that brownish, that dark, almost black hair, but it was real, real dark, reddish brown. The skin wouldn't, you know, and you would think it'd be like tan-looking.

It was almost like a dark, dark, dark-grayish black color on its face. It was real, it almost looked greasy with wrinkled. everywhere you'd think, you know, like an older person that had it around its eyes, around the creases in its mouth, and on the knuckles of its fingers. And, you know, obviously fingers, it would be just like a, the best I can describe it as a giant, a giant hominid animal beast thing. I don't even really know how to explain it. Yeah, it's scary, man.

Scary being that close, you know, you're eight to ten feet away. and, you know, this thing's right there. I'm not sure what I would have done. I think I probably would have shot it, but just out of fear, not because I'm a big tough guy, I think just out of shock and fear and being that close, it would have been more or less just kind of a reaction. There's a theory or an opinion in the Big Four world that these things produce infrasound. And if you look into infrasound, tigers, there's other creatures that do it.

It will make you freeze. I mean, it will make you lock up. But so will fear. I mean, I would imagine being in this position, you're completely shocked. And you're a pretty big guy, Cody. I mean, you're 6'7. How much bigger is this creature than you? It had to have been every bit of 8 foot, if not taller.

Its arms were every bit as big as my legs are. And I guess from waist down, I wear, you know, 38, 38-length jeans. And its arms were every bit of that long and as big around. you know, and I guess to to kind of go back to that part of the story, as I'm trying to process this, I'm locked up, can't move, I'm frozen,

my head is kind of cocked and turned to the direction. It's going, the gun hasn't even moved from where it was initially at. Because I'm seeing tunnel vision, like looking out at this thing and not really realizing what this is, if it's a bearer, if it's a big foot. I see these arms coming out.

And within, I would say, three to four seconds, it put 50 or 60 yards between myself and it within two seconds. And as I'm sitting there, just I'm borderline about to break down. And my gun hadn't even moved up from where I'd initially turned it. And the reason I say it was sliding down on its butt or using its legs in some kind of a short form or fashion as it stands up, it looks up at me. It grabs its arm, puts it on a branch, and it bears its teeth at me. It looks directly at me and does its brow, its eyebrows down, like it's mad, and it bears its teeth at me.

And at that point in time, I almost passed out. As soon as it did that, the gun, and I don't know what it was almost like it was saying, and don't even try it. Don't do it. And the best I can recall is just, I was about to drop the gun. I said, if it got that, if it got that, if it got down the ridge that fast, it can come right back up the ridge and get me that fast. It had a giant mouth.

Its mouth was everybody as wide as its face. And in this thing's face, I mean, even from a, you know, from seeing it 10 feet, I didn't realize how big it was. when it stood up completely and turned back at me and looked at me and buried its teeth. And it put it's the best I can remember, and I haven't been back to that spot, but the best I can remember is that pine branch that it grabbed

and almost over its head. I would say it would probably be close to 10 or 10.5 feet up. And I don't know if it was like showing its muscles and showing its teeth to say, hey, don't even try it. It had a mouth that was ever bit as wide as its face, which I'm assuming is probably 10 or 12 inches across. It had giant block teeth. It was giant block teeth all the way across, and it had canines on the top and the bottom. Yeah, I appreciate you going into descriptions.

What do you think happened? Do you think the creature was sleeping and you just kind of stumbled upon it? I think that's the best thing that I can remember is, you know, being, being in the woods like that and always being cognizant in my wind. I think that I, it may have been sleeping and on top of that ridge, you know, because from that viewpoint, it had the same thought I did. I know for a fact, it had to have heard us come in there. It had to have been watching us or some shape or form, you know, because grandpa had been in there scouting for the turkeys. And then, you know, my buddy and I were in there that afternoon. So it was probably up on top sleeping.

You know, with as big as its eyes are, I'm assuming it's probably a nocturnal creature. And kind of from what I read and seen, it was probably resting up for the evening. Snuck up on it by accident, by sheer dumb luck. Yeah, I feel for you, man. That's what it sounds like happened. And so what kind of happens next? And do you talk, tell anyone about what you had seen? I held it together enough.

I remember that it went down the ridge toward the truck where my grandpa was waiting for us. As it, you know, I guess remembering back on this, as it stood up and buried its teeth at me and then walked off, it walked off in complete silence. And down the side of that ridge were still oak tree leaves and stuff. You know, as it's turning spring, it's still very loud and crunchy. You can hear those leaves crunch, even when a squirrels going through them. It walked off through that in complete silence. At that point in time, I knew that it was king of the mountain, that I was nowhere nearly as bulletproof as I thought I was.

I was on top of that ridge. I remember almost passing out, and I said, hold it together, Cody. Hold it together, Cody. And I'm quickly jotting through my head. Why didn't I bring that walkie-talkie that grandpa had for me and my buddy? as it went down the ridge, the opposite direction, moving from left to right and disappearing. I said, I don't know if this thing's coming back. I don't know.

I couldn't figure out what the bearing of the teeth and raising its arm up meant, except that, you know, I can come get you if I want to. I went the opposite direction. I went off the backside of the ridge, and I remember there being a county road or a dirt road that loops around by the house. And I was like, okay, that's about a. mile on a straight line as pro flies, I can make it there before dark. I remember having a breakdown almost and going as fast as I could.

It didn't matter if there were green briars or thick brush. I was going through it to get to that road. And I said, I'm not, I'm not about to let this thing get me. It's funny. I got out and I was, I was torn up in a mess and sweating. I remember mine. I'd bought new Masio camo for that season. I'd saved up for it.

And I remember getting out on that road the quickest I've ever traveled anywhere, pulled were running downhill as fast as I could. And I remember looking down and seeing my legs through those pants where they'd been ripped and torn by the green briar and brush. It was just sheer, I don't know if you'd call it fear or pandemonium. And then I do remember, I know Grandpa had, he had a revolver, a 357 revolver, and I remember it going off. It was almost dusk. And I was just, I was whipped and out of it.

I was so tired from the, I don't know if it's adrenaline or fear, I guess all of the above. I remember that revolver going off, boom, boom, and went off six times. And that was him saying, okay, Cody got lost, you know. I didn't even question. I didn't think Bigfoot had even messed with him or any of that, you know. But going, hey, the truck's over here. get lost. I walked all the way down around by the house place and I actually saw their lights. I guess they were going to get the authorities or what they were going to do, but they were

coming back to the house and I was actually walking down the road from the house back for the mountains from the opposite direction. I just remember getting, I just remember getting the hold butt up to me in the ranch truck and I remember them getting up to me with such a puzzle look. They said, you got turned around, didn't you? And I said, yeah, I did. And that was like a three and a half mile loop from the top of that ridge going the other way and around that dirt road to the front of the house place. So they were very puzzled as to what happened. You know, granddad being an ex-military veteran and, you know, being born in a different place and age, I didn't even bring that up at all.

Because we'd asked him as we were younger about it. And he said, oh, I don't believe in that rubbish or any of that junk. And I know that he may have had encounters with it. But with him being the way he is, he wasn't going to admit that. The funny thing about it is, too, is that I told Alex, the buddy of mine that grew up with me. And he laughed for a second. And then he goes, you did make it around to the old house place and like record time. He said, you must have been really scared.

I said, yeah, look at my pants. And he looked down and saw the ripped, you know, where the green briars had tore my camo open and stuff. as I think back back you know back on that on that event that happened we had heard one of the other my granddad's other buddies said yeah there's been a mama bear and the baby coming down and they've been taken you know they had sand plum trees and pears there in the backyard and said yeah they've just been taking all of my dang plums and in my pairs and everything and I thought back and I said I bet you that was not a black bear. I know that your grandfather, you know, he's probably from that World War II generation,

but your father grew up on this property, didn't he? He did. You know, it took me a while to open up. I was very fearful about that. You know, I still had, you know, it was a couple of years that I had nightmares about that day and what I'd seen and just trying to put it together. I'd discussed it with my buddy. and he was very serious about it because he was there in person and knew exactly how distraught I was.

Other buddies kind of laughed me off. I ended up bringing that up to dad. He goes, oh, how'd the turkey hunt go and asked him, you know, I said, here's what happened. And I remember sitting in the living room with him and he goes, yeah, that's not the first time that I've encountered them things either. He goes, I know what you're talking about. And I said, what do you mean? Would you go into depth on that? And he told me, you know, he grew up in southeast Oklahoma and just grew up in the woods

and being teenagers as they were. He had an older brother and a younger sister. They went down to one of those rivers that's down there. It's up against the base of one of those mountain ranges, Comission Mountains. And they were down there. I think the older brother had. the older brother had a girlfriend, so they were going down there to do teenager things,

and they drug him and the little sister down there. Well, as soon as they got down there, it was close to dark, and he said, got down there, and they got to hanging out and started making a fire. He said this thing was across the river from him. He said it probably 60 or 80 feet away. He said at first it came through the brush, like it was a big, you know, big cow, big heavy animal cracking and blowing through the brush. He said the next thing he remembered was he started just making,

he said, you know, from the best I can recall, I said all kinds of racket, yelling and screaming and breaking branches and pushing stuff over. He said that really freaked them out. They left in very short order. They got about 10 minutes down the road. Come to find out they had actually left the youngest sister down there. So they had taken off and left her. They pull a U-turn, and I can't remember if it was a Chavette or what it was,

but they were hauling butt back down the road that cut off to the river and see her running up the road screaming. So they were excited and happy that this thing didn't get a hold of her. Yeah, what's strange is, you know, you've experienced it. Your father grew up there. He experienced it, but your grandfather, he won't hear any of it. Yeah, and like I said, I think that could be just the difference in generations and age. We full and well know that he probably has and just won't talk about it.

Yeah, I can understand that, especially being from that generation. You never actually went back to that spot, did you? Fortunately, I had, you know, other things. I had football in my mind and finishing up school, so I, I got through that experience and was able to kind of brush it off. I said, hey, I'm never going up into that, that canyon. I'm never going up in that direction, but it didn't stop me from hunting because I have a sheer love for the outdoors, you know, hunting and fishing. It definitely made me rethink things.

I never go out there without a high-powered pistol. I bought a 10-millimeter and always have it on my side, you know, and everybody's like, oh, what are you got that for us at all for bear protection? at times I think about it and I I don't know that it would stop it but it would slow it down yeah after you run into these creatures you rethink a lot of things you'll see guys that still hunt but they're armed to the teeth when you spoke with your dad and you shared this with him

was that the only encounter he told you about no sir he he had one about so that was when he was about 14 So that probably would have been in about 70, 73, 74. I think as he was a junior or senior, he said they would go up. And, you know, other than football and sports and school, they didn't have anything going on in the fall. So they'd go do deer camp.

Those seasons run, you know, they've got a muzzle other season and they've got a rifle season. Well, they went up down a road. They call it the rifle range road. they went up to go to a big deer camp and this is one of like three or four different instances that he had kind of brought up after I told him about my experience he and his brother

and I think another cousin had gone up there they had hunted one day and it was I think mid-November they had bought some stakes they basically know they'd pull two trucks up and get a tarp and they'd pull it between the trucks and make a little deer camp you know something simple in a tent. They had a little pup tent.

As they got those steaks out and started cooking them, it got dark. It was nice and cold. It was good deer hunting weather. He said they started getting those steaks and started, you know, he said it was just awesome smile. You know, they loved the hardwoods burning in the fire and cooking a good meal on the fire. And he said they were having a good time. He said he heard this thing approach, just really loud.

He said it started getting closer and clobes. and closer and closer, and then it started making all kinds of, he said, racket, started yelling and screaming at them in a very aggressive manner. They got a nerve late. They grabbed their guns out of the truck and said, no, nothing's going to run us off from this camp. We're having a good time, and we're up here for the week. He said at that point in time, it was very close. It was within, you know, 100 feet of camp.

And going back and forth and back and forth and just tearing stuff up. He said it sounded like it was ripping tree branch. off, making all kinds of noises and racket, breaking stuff down, it sounded like it was just angry. He said they had the guns pointed. They were about to start shooting. He said then about a, he said, he could guess probably a 14 or 16 inch pine tree came down.

And he said that tree fell and it fell almost on top of them. And that's when they realized they were in trouble. They left the fire going, fired the truck up, and kicked rocks. They were running down that dirt road with the truck. He said, Cody, we didn't go back for a couple days. He said, then they got a posse of guys to go up there. And so they had to get their gear.

They left everything except their guns in the truck. Drove back down there. And he said, this thing had torn their camp apart. He said, there were big tracks all over the place. He said, the best thing I could recall is big footprints. He said that the tent was, ripped in the shreds, that they had a fire grate, and that it was just curled up and bent. Said the rocks from the fire pit were all over the place, and he said, you know, just everything was

destroyed. And he said, bears don't do that. Yeah, it sounds like there's a ton going on on your grandfather's property, and it's been going on for a long time from the sound of it. I mean, you ran into it, your father ran into it. did you ever have a conversation with your dad like what the hell are these things you know he said he said cody the best i can think is that it's some kind of a upright animal that has has an in-depth intellect and knowledge that it doesn't want us there it's it's going to make it be known

that it doesn't want us there and and kind of as i think about it and analyze it it's it's hard to say that they don't have intellect because the the way that creature looked up at me and buried its teeth and made some kind of a signal, but it locked eyes with me and I instantly, I don't say that it was telepathy. I don't know, but it felt like, hey, don't do it. And that's all from the eyes and from the facial expressions. Yeah, I guess kind of from a human aspect, you know, I'm pretty grouchy. You wake me up out of a cold sleep, and I always say someone breaks on my home middle

the night. They wake me up. They're in big trouble. And, you know, with animals, you take, well, this creature, for example, its reaction was bizarre. You know, it turns and it looks at you, you kind of gives you the stink eye, shows you its teeth, and then it takes off. You walk up like on a bear or, you know, any other predator, and, you know, black bears are pretty skittish. Until you walk up one, or if it has its cubs, then it's going to throw your real beating. really quick. You know, anytime you surprise a predator,

you know what I'm trying to say? It's this sort of reaction. They're going to, normally it's going to go to an attack mode. Right, right. No, and that's kind of what I call it. If you get inside their bubble,

that's the bubble you don't want to get inside of because that's where it goes defensive. That being said that really, you know, over the years that I've thought about it. And, Wes, I'd like to thank you for, you know,

stumbled upon this podcast. I travel a bunch and have just kind of researched and thought upon this encounter. It's hard to really think about it without getting very emotional because it was traumatic for several years. And really feeling like you can't talk to somebody, but I appreciate you running a podcast and letting people know that they can come to you to kind of get this off their chest. It feels like a major weight's been lifted. It's very kind of you, Cody. Thank you for their kind of words and you know I asked you about your dad what you thought you know what he thought they were and I ask everyone on the show and there's no wrong answer because no one knows but what do you think Sasquatch is I mean you got a really good look at the saying you know Wes I've

I've thought about that a lot um you know I initially from from hearing stories growing up and thinking about that in depth I I thought it was you know it's you think about that you think about Jack Link's Beef Jericho, oh, this is finding Sasquatch or whatever, or Harry and the Hendersons and think of it in a lighthearted manner, but in my opinion, from seeing something that close, this is a monster. It's a large, primitive, I wouldn't say a hominid, it's, well, maybe it is. We don't know what it is. A hominid species. It has several ways of defense. I mean, not alone, not letting, letting it be that they can track. travel faster than I've ever seen anything in my life and probably ever will.

That shockwave that it let off, whether it be that guttural noise that I heard or it pounding its foot or hand on the ground to stun me, I don't know. You know, that brings up another question. What kind of powers do they have? I mean, obviously, I was in that mode of defense mode thinking it was a black bear. If it would have been a black bear, I think I reacted quick enough that I could have got a shot off. off with what it did to me and the way it made me feel, it locked me up to the point I couldn't turn the gun. And I had the hammer back ready to pull a trigger.

It makes me think that they've got, there's a lot of stuff I think that we don't know. When I think back on that and just the reaction, we're talking milliseconds, you know, like the snap of a finger, that thing could have turned and been on top of me and broke my neck. I mean, I don't think it would have took a whole lot do that either with how big it was. I just, I think that, you know, and I kind of think from a, you know,

and hunters and conservationists, you know, I guess I could maybe back up a little bit and take that stance going back to black bears. Black bears can smell, I think, from what I'd researched or looked at, you know, and I've hunted bears and stuff, but they can smell like 2,300 times better than a human. they can smell seven times better than a bloodhound. They can smell a human up to 20 miles away. So that got me thinking, you know, from Shirley being, from a hunting perspective, you know, I always use scent killer when I'm deer hunting. I use the wind of my advantage.

I, you know, I bow hunts. You have to get close range, too. What if these things can smell better than a black bear can? We obviously know that they've got intelligence. It had some kind of a force or a manner to stop me from. I'm turning my gun to pull the trigger on it because I thought it was bare. And then it had the intelligence to look up at me and bear its teeth. And it had transferred some kind of communication to me saying, like, don't do it or else.

And that could have just been my sheer fear, but that's what it felt like. And it had a facial expression. Cody, and I know that you don't know and I don't know. But what is your opinion? Why do you think it didn't attack you? I think that they are smart enough and have enough intellect that it knew I had a gun. And for all we know, with their senses being heightened, I mean, it's funny that there's so much proof and so much evidence and so many eyewitness accounts that there's something else going on. It has an intellect or intelligence that I don't think we can fathom.

they obviously have some way of form or communication. You know, they talk to one another. They can show facial expressions, and they also can make us feel ways that we can't explain. But I think, you know, maybe the reason it didn't attack me was because it saw three of us come in there. And it said, well, if I take him out, then these other two are going to come looking for me,

or there will be a huge search party looking for him, and I'll be in trouble. Yeah, and that's really good insight. Cody, you know, I've often wondered about that, too. You know, because it was your grandfather's property, they'd probably seen him a million times. They'd probably seen your dad. They've probably seen you.

And, you know, that intelligence, though, of going, hey, if I kill Cody, you know, there's going to be more humans coming out looking for him. That's a little bit more of a thought process than just an animal, you know, thinking that way. Right. Right. And then also thinking, you know, you're right in the fact that they have that thought process going, hey, and kind of looking back on that too, I will say seeing it from that distance away, definitely was not a female. The best I can recollect is whenever it turned back at me, you didn't see a, I saw a big barrel chest, big king of the mountain, if you will. It was definitely a male, though you could see the, you could see the big chest, the pecks. It basically from shoulders down, it almost looked like a block, minus the legs.

I don't think the legs ever bent. Even from whenever it was sliding down to standing up, it kind of still looked like it was hunched over, but still just massive. But that being said, you know, kind of going back to the thought process that these things have with the statement that the, you know, granddad's buddies made about the bear and the baby, I was like, well, maybe there's a female and a baby. and that that female and baby would be in danger if it was to have turned on me. Or we couldn't go get the pears and the sand plums out of the tree anymore. I don't know. It's good insight. It's definitely a good point.

And like I said, you know, we don't know, but you were there. And sometimes it's the best we can do is get from the eyewitness what their impression of, you know, why something happened or why something didn't happen. And I wanted to ask you, obviously, you wouldn't want this sort of encounter again, but would you want to see another one of these creatures? I think maybe if I was in a helicopter or from a long distance away, I don't know that close. I would like to see it, you know, from a long distance away with a bunch of people. From a woodsman perspective, if these things have not been found and are intelligent,

I know for a fact that deer I have trail cameras up all over the place for deer and I scout deer and all that some of those IR lights and various things those deer know where the cameras at it may be hidden in camo but you can tell those deer look directly at it and as I said well a deer does not have

near the intelligent that these creatures do you know or the mindset it can definitely probably see those cameras they may see in a different spectrum you know like a dog sees in a different color. Fish seen a different color spectrum. These definitely have bigger eyes than anything I've seen in the while. They're way smarter and way beyond what we have ever.

We obviously don't know what they are, but they're highly intelligent. And by dumb luck, I wouldn't even say luck. I wouldn't even call that luck. I almost regret seeing it, you know. Yeah, I understand that, man. It feels like a blessing and a curse at the same time. Most of the time it feels like a curse. It's an amazing account, man. I really do appreciate the fact that you would take the time and come on and share what happened to you. Yes, Wes.

Thanks for having me on. And that's it for tonight. Everyone remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional. shows. All the member stuff should be fixed by the end of the weekend. Until next time, everyone.