Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:901 The New Hampshire Incident

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

Andrew writes "Hey Wes, wanted to reach out to you about a situation I found myself in this morning about 3 am eastern time. I live in the south western part of New Hampshire and last night/ this morning we walked into the woods to a spot I wanted to show him. On our way out to this location which is about a half mile up a rail trail along side a big pond, we made sure to be noisy to alert any black bear that may be around. We made it to the spot which turns into a peninsula surrounded by water. We made sure there were no animals or anything in this little peninsula and walked in. We were quickly closed in by two things that sounded to be bipedal and heavy footed. We had a very bad feeling so we loudly yelled " okay we are leaving". As we approached the rail trail, the sound of those two things on either side of us run across the trail into the woods across the way. We made it to the trail and walked back toward the car but this whole time, we could hear one of them walking along side us in the tree line. This is where it gets even more strange. Two doe about 100 feet ahead of us hop out of the woods and wait for us on the trail and walked out with us as this thing was still along side us."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. What I'm glad? They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

It sounded like a language and they were chumtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. What's going on what are you reporting? Jesus, get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a mouse, sir?

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We're going to be chatting with Andrew tonight. And Andrew comes to us from New Hampshire. and a very recent encounter he had. He was out with a friend of his. I'll kind of let him go into it. They were paced out of an area. But what's fascinating is Andrew spoke to his mom, and she was telling him about this weird things happening around her property.

And, you know, he didn't really buy into it until he was there helping his mom out. And something happened to him and his wife while they were there. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Andrew to the show. Andrew, thanks for coming on.

Nice to be here, Wes. Thank you for having me. Yeah, and I want to talk about this incident that happened with you and your friend. before we go into that, tell me about what's going on on your mom's property. Keep in mind that this is all around the same area as well. It shares the same forest. But a few years ago, two or three now, I would say, my mother was getting some activity at her house. And, you know, she really wasn't sure what it was.

And we're seeing some things and would tell me about it. And, you know, me as a rational mind, I assume that she's just, you know, getting up an age and I don't know, maybe, you know, imagining things, I guess, for lack of better term. We had a pretty big snowstorm. My mom and my stepfather, they were, you know, snowed in. So they asked me if I could come over and, you know, snowblower their driveway for them. And I agreed. It was pretty late, probably about 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock at night. I made over there after work. My wife wanted me to come go visit my mother, all that good stuff. The whole time I was doing, I was getting like, you could hear, you could hear like pebbles bouncing off my car, especially. And I just thought maybe I was throwing rocks with the snowblower, which I wasn't, you know, even aiming towards it at all.

I mean, it was almost impossible. But I didn't really think much of it. Until we went to leave when I turned on the headlights, my wife and I both witnessed this something. An amber brown color, big peeking behind a big naples tree that was directly across the street from my mother's house. And we both looked at each other and came to the realization that my mom might not be as crazy as,

You know, we thought she was. But my mom's never been one to, you know, make up stories either, anything like that. So, you know, I should have listened from day one. But she's, she's taking a lot of pictures of, like, impressions, big tree breaks. You know, like I'm talking like eight-inch saplings, I guess you'd call them, breaks, right across the street from the house. And the neighboring kids that live there as well. I asked him what time with my stepfather when we asked them

if they've ever seen anything in the woods over there like it's scary in those woods we don't go in those woods they just say it's spooky and they get stuff thrown at them which is kind of crazy because their place is almost like a habituation side at this point

it's so frequent and she thinks that they follow her to work because her work's right down the road that borders the same woods as well. Yeah, can I ask you, when did all of this start with your mother? I would say, like, she started telling me about it about four years ago. So it's 20-22 right now. So 17-18, I think she started telling me about it.

Yeah, and then you and your wife ended up seeing it. But part of that, did you just think your mom was like crazy, just kind of losing it? I didn't think she was, so let me correct, because I know she's going to listen to this. I love you, Ma, but I guess I thought maybe she was, you know, just kind of like a confirmation bias. You know, she thought something was there and, you know, any little sound, maybe, you know, you could associate it with whatever you think it is. But it was when she started, like, you know, showing me hard evidence, you know, like, I was like, okay, maybe there's something to you this. But I never really, I was never really a huge interest of mine until that night. So I owe her an apology.

Yeah. Well, you know, all women love flowers and they also love to hear I'm sorry for men. So I'd probably get on it, man. So when you were there, was it, was it like pebbles being thrown at you? And what did you guys end up seeing? It was like, you know, like you'd expect to find in like, gravel driveway. But my mom's house

doesn't have a gravel driveway. Just dirt driveway. And it was coming from like a direction. I thought I was ricocheting rocks off of a tree or something and it was bouncing off hitting my car. I just chalk it off as, I'm just bouncing shit off with the snowblower. In hindsight, you know,

I'm like, no, that really didn't make any sense. The way the trajectory of the snowblower, it was kind of almost impossible. to, you have to like ricochet off of two trees and bounce back in my car. Because the way my mom's house is, I had to pull up and park basically in front of her house and there's a fence there. And so, and then I'll unload the snowblower and then, you know, walk over and her driver was on the right hand side.

So I would have had, and, you know, the way I was snowblung, I was, she was a garage in the front of her driveway. And I was shooting the, uh, the snow. towards the garage away from my vehicle you know slightly to the side towards the garage to the side so we would have had to like I don't know bounce off the tree and take like a 90 degree

turn and hit my car so I mean but you know I mean stranger things have happened right so at that point we didn't see anything I was looking around like I thought my wife was messed with me you know she came outside because she likes we like to tease each other every now and then, you know, but I thought maybe it was her or, you know, my stepdad's not really

that kind of guy either. He's a pretty, pretty stern, serious guy. Like I said, he's a two-tore Vietnam vet. He doesn't really have time to play games, I guess, unless it's with the grandkids. But, so, you know, I look around and there's nothing. Nobody was around. He was just me. And then when we were, it was time to leave, you know, I packed up the, snowblower. Who haven't I said that can help me load up the snowblower. And my wife came out.

I started the car up, a little warm up for a few. We were getting ready to leave. We put the headlights on, the high beams were on. And straight ahead, there's a big maple tree.

So I guess the thickest part of it at the base would probably be four feet wide. And, you know, and then it branches off a couple feet up. I would say about 60 feet up, since the branch off. Well, we saw something with a hand. You can see the arm around the tree on the left side of the tree.

His left, my right, or her, I don't know. But like an amber brown color. And as you probably know, in New Hampshire, we don't get like grizzlies or anything of that color, really. Besides moose, maybe, or deer. Somewhere in between that. And we have Black Bear. And a Black Bear, you have known to, like, peek around trees, you know, halfway up them. But this was definitely not a black bear.

We definitely know a black bear. You know, it's in New Hampshire. We know black bear. We know moose. So, you know, that that startled both of us. So you kind of, you kind of make out, you couldn't really make out features, but you can definitely make out that it was a face, you know. But it was very quick.

As soon as the lights came on, you'd see it. The body first and then the arm kind of followed behind the tree. And my wife's, you know, she was never really into that, into this topic either. You know, she's like, yeah, I don't believe it. I don't believe any of this stuff. That day, she became one. She looked at me. She's like, are you serious?

And I'm like, I guess so, you know, you saw what I saw. Yeah, how far away from you guys was this thing? Oh, so like I said, it was across the street. So where I was park, I was sideways. So like, okay, so the way I was park was, there was a little like roundabout at the end of her driveway. I never rode, rather, where you can turn it around. So it was kind of like, you know, on the side of a yard, but halfway around the roundabout. And it was on the other side of the street.

And I would say maybe 110 feet. Pretty close, pretty close. but just far enough away to not be able to make out any strong details anyways. Yeah, and I want to jump into your encounter. Before we do that, what kind of things is your mom experiencing? I would imagine you spoke to her after you saw this thing. So, you know, it mostly happens when she's alone, when I stepfather's inside sleeping.

She takes a dog out. she'll hear soft language like talking in the woods she's she's experienced um the rock throws too the dog her dog gracie will not approach that side of the woods she will not go over there a bit of the rest of her and she coweres down a lot mind you she's not a very big dog she's a pug but um but still she's she's pretty fearless for you know the size

she won't even approach that size she won't you If you take her for a walk, she'll stay to the side of the road closest to her house. For some reason, she does not like that portion of the woods, which these woods go for miles and miles and miles, acres, thousands of acres, very dense, expansive as well. But so she's experienced, like, what it sounds like scratching on the side of the house. I'm not like deciding. is a very distinct, you know, rain your nails across siding,

you can kind of, you know, it's noticeable. Those kind of noises, you know, pebble throwing as well. You know, she thought at one point maybe acorns are dropping, but there's not, there's no oak tree around her, so I don't know. And there's no nut trees, no nut-bearing trees,

things like that. And then, like, she'll, you know, obviously the overwhelming feeling of, being watched all the time. So my mom works second shift. Sometimes she'll pick up a third shift. She's a nurse. She takes on a lot of shifts, but she'll come home,

you know, really early in the morning, around like two, three o'clock in the morning sometimes. And that's when it's most prominent. And so things like that. And she's, she's seeing movement into the woods across the street as well. So, like, she wasn't completely sure of her experiences either. But, you know, she thought of it as a possibility, you know, because like I said, it could be confirmation bias, but, I mean, two other witnesses, witnessed what she's been experiencing. So kind of kind of gave stock to her story after that.

I kind of feel bad about it still. But, yeah, so I mean, she's experienced, I don't, there's a whole list of things. and I'm bad to take a notes mentally. Yeah, I get all of that because you're not really into it, so it's not really something you kept track of. I want to ask you, though, how long has this been going on roughly around your mom's place? Since she's, well, I guess since she's moved into that place,

it's probably about 12 years now. ever since she's moved in, she said she's had, you know, really uneasy feelings in times. Nothing really too aggressive, though, but just enough to make her curious, you know. Yeah, I would love to chat with your mom and find out, you know, what's been going on there and kind of pick her brain a little bit. But this happened, you know, way before your incident. And tell me about this, because you and your friend, when I, out. I know your friend worked nights and you guys were going out to an area. Start from the very beginning, kind of what were you guys doing and walk us into what happened?

It's important to mention that I am a pretty avid hunter. I always had, but more importantly, I'm an avid fly fisherman. My buddy, he had come over one night. He was telling me he was frequenting this place that I go a lot. And I'm like, and I, you know, I was like, well, hey, why don't you, why don't you ever let me know? You know I go there all the time. Because he goes there and swim. So this is, this is a pond off of a big state forest, which has, you know, a couple of tributaries going into it.

So I, you know, I, I've circumnavigated that place, you know, a hundred times, fly fishing. And also just some pretty good hunting, hunting ground there. So when I was like, well, hey, man, And why didn't you want to let me know? I want to show you some cool spots. Because he likes to take like, you know, late-night dips when he gets out of work. And so I went out to show him like a really cool spot to jump off a rock, you know, nice swimming hall.

And so where it sets is it's on an old railroad trail. Obviously, the tracks have been taken out. It's, you know, been vacant for many years now. know. So they called like a rail trail of sorts. It goes, you know, through a good portion of the state. You can hike it if you want. But I mean, it gets pretty dense in spots. And then it just ran a pond, you know, just out in the middle of nowhere. And that's what I was taking. So we were walking down the path. And, you know, with a winter approaching, you know, bear are trying to fatten up. So we made it a point to yell and talk very loudly as we're approaching this

little peninsula off of like that trail that goes that jets out into the into the pond. So we were walking down there and like I said, we're being very loud. Obvious, you know, the whole like hay bear thing. Let them know that we're there so they just scatter because Black Bear don't really want to mess with humans. And so we got out there with no problem. Nothing inside. We sat out there for a couple

minutes, I don't know, maybe 10. I was explaining like, you know, there was like a rock right here underneath the water, the surface of the water, and you can jump off here and it dips down, you know, 20 feet. And then

we could hear something. So our backs were facing the trail. We're facing the water. So on, On our right-hand side, you can hear something big break, like a big branch or a big, I don't know, branch I'll call it. And, oh, that's what we yell. Hey, hey, who's there? Who's there?

We're here. No answer. And then not 20 seconds after that, we heard one on the left-hand side of us. then one across the trail. So three different breaks behind us. And then you could hear footfalls. And long strides and heavy footfalls. My buddy has always been like me, you know, very skeptical of the whole thing and the whole

topic of Bigfoot, Sasquatch. And he's a very, very intelligent man to mind you. I'd like to lend credibility to his. him. He holds two science degrees, majors, very, very intelligent. Not really one to a joke. Or like, I don't think I've ever heard this man tell a lie. And he looks to me like in fear. He's like, yeah, maybe we should just go. And they let us walk out of that peninsula. And there was only one way in. So they let us walk out whoever it was down the path, but was followed on either side, paralleled on either side of us, and then met at the trail by one across the road. And we took a right back to the vehicles.

It's probably about like a half a mile walk back to the car, to the woods. And when you get down maybe an eighth of a mile, the woods on your right-hand side ends because the pond jets back out. but on the left hand side, the woods continue. So it was consistent. The one on the left hand side was like heavy, long strided footfalls on the left hand side, very uncomfortable, walking down that way. And then you could hear two, not synchronized, but like, you know, one at a time, single file hopping across the way behind us to the other side. So then you could at this point here more than one, definitely bipedal, paralleling us back towards our vehicle. And I'm like, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe it's just deer.

Maybe it's just deer. But it was too heavy of footfalls. And nothing would stride this long anyways. And something definitely was on the left hand side of us. There's no doubt about that. And I would shine my light and flashlight over to the left inside, you know, kind of sporadically to see if I can catch something. And every, you know, every couple times you thought you caught a glimpse of something, you know, walking, like, right outside of my peripherals. It makes any sense.

So right, like, behind me almost, but next to me, that makes any sense. my friend he's he's not really much of an outdoorsman to start with and he was he was panicking I'm like anybody just relax just walk out they're walking us out let's just go let's just walk out with them and not no sooner when I said that uh two dough um pop out on the left-hand side of the woods probably, I don't know, 50 yards in front of us. They wait for us. So I could have touched one of these dough on the ass, but, sorry. They were that close.

They waited for us. And then they walked with us out to our car. And once we got to our car, there's a little parking area, like a makeshift parking area. They jetted across the road and took off. But they walked with us probably near a quarter of a mile, I would say. Just let us walk with them. It's like we were escorting them out.

Well, we were being escorted to hell. It was the weirdest thing. So that was that night. I tried to get my buddy to go out the next day with me, see if we could find any, you know, signs. Because I'm, you know, like I said, I'm a practical man. I need to see some sort of evidence, whether it be trace evidence or hard. But so, you know, I was going to ask somebody to come out with me next day. He's like, I'm not going out there again, ever again.

So my mom, I told my mom about it. She was a little, you know, unnerved, but she agreed to go out with me. So she did, since she's had the activity at her place, she's developed quite the collection of like thermal imaging or like a night vision. You got a couple flares and a couple of, like a busional night vision scope, which is pretty good. You know, nothing like too crazy, but enough to, you know, satisfy our need for, you know, validation, I guess.

But so she agreed to go with me. It was a couple of nights later. I was thinking, I'm probably not going to see anything. I'm probably just a one-time thing. We didn't get farther than the parking area. We'd go to get out. And instantly, it was activity down the trail, right with the pond starts to jet back out where I was talking about. You can see it.

You can see it down. Not a great distance, but far enough where you can't really make it out. But we had our thermal and our night vision. On both, you could see something. But there is, I want to mention that there's a big boulder. We're the granite state. We have a lot of granite here, big rocks everywhere. Looking down the trail to my left,

you can see something behind one of these boulders popping up and down. And then another one on the opposite side of the trail, it looked like it was crouching up and down behind a tree, kind of like get an angle on us. So we captured a few pictures on the flare. They're not great because, like I said, it was a great distance, but it was a far enough distance where, you know, a thermal photo isn't really do any justice.

what do you call it a blurb squatch? So we got a few of those. We're trying to clean them up now. My mom's better equipped at doing that than I. But she intends on cleaning those up and send them to you along with the thing she found. And so we definitely got an uneasy feeling. Something was thrown at our car that night. as we were backing out of there,

we had a very uneasy feeling. So we decided just to get out of there. It's probably safer. The last thing I was, my mom, you know, being a female, I hear that, you know, females are a little more susceptible sometimes. And that's my mother, so I was like, let's just get out of here, ma. And we left. But as we were backing out, we got something that, you know,

sounded like hit the side of the car. We weren't sure. We were getting out of there. The next day when I was at work, she went back and found a twisted off sapling. You can tell we have pictures of that as well. We actually have the stick. It was definitely twisted and ripped off, you know, because as a kid you twisted, you know, sablins and ripped them off, you know, or for whatever reason, a walk-and-stick or whatever.

Kind of like that, but we're like very smooth. twist and break. And it was a fresh green sampling. Probably about three inches in diameter. Well, maybe two, three. That was in the road, right? Where we were hit, or, you know,

what we think we were hit. So the next day, she went back and found that, and then actually found where it came from. And it was about 10, 15 feet to where we were part. And I might explain why we had such an uneasy feeling, but I was like, I don't know. That six cents, where you feel like, you know, you shouldn't be there. Something's watching me. But we were both very uncomfortable.

I was almost in tears. I was almost in tears. An overwhelming feeling of dread, I guess. So we left. And then the next day, you went back and found it. And there was a government vehicle sitting there. Nobody in it. And mind you, this place is not a place that he's frequently visited by, you know, park rangers or anything like that.

You know, it's a pretty secluded, tucked away spot. There was a government vehicle there. Government plate. She took pictures of that as well. And this is like a couple nights after I emailed you. And also, I'd like to mention that the dog, she would not get out of the car. She was going to take her down the shoulder. she would not approach that trail at all.

And she's, like I said, she's an adventurous little dog. I'm not really afraid of anything. Her barks bigger than her bite, but, you know, she's pretty brave. She would not approach it at all. And so, I mean, that's it to date. We plan on going out. I don't want to, you know, test the limits or, you know, push my luck. But, you know, I mean.

Yeah, I get that. the curiosity, man. And it being, you know, you went from thinking all this is nonsense to now, holy crap, there's something out there. And I get the curiosity and wanting to go back. And I think that's a good mindset. You know, don't, don't press your luck too much. I wanted to ask you, when you and her friend were walking down the trail, and I hear this sort of encounter all the time, probably more than any other type of encounter. I hear about, you know, people walking out of a trail and they're being paced and they can't see what's pacing them.

I wanted to ask you, when you guys were walking out of there, and I realized you kind of have a huge flashlight, were you able to see what was pacing you? So I could see, like I said, as soon as I turn and laugh, you can see something kind of like hold back. and the foot falls would stop. But it was just enough

because I kept on walking. I wasn't stopping to, you know, say hello or anything. But you can see it when I almost like, you know, like, I don't know, like intuition on their part. When I turn the light, you could make something behind, like I said, just outside of my peripheral vision.

And when it was big, with the light of the spotlight, Like, I mean, you could easily identify it as a black bear, you know, but minus the fact that it was standing up. You know, Black Bear around here, the biggest one I've seen is about, I would say like 500 pounds. And, you know, up to my stomach, maybe on all fours. But this was way higher than I was. You can tell you kind of, it's hard to explain. You could kind of see, like, you can catch.

something at the corner of your eye and when you look it kind of stops moving while I'm still moving so you're not really sure what it was but you look big from the side view your peripheral view um so I don't have any like definitive uh you know evidence on that or like you know eyewitness account on that I can say is that like something definitely was there um you could clear as day here at pacing us and it was heavy at this point they weren't trying to be quiet when they when they encroached us and cornered us in that peninsula they were quiet as a mouse but after we they knew that we knew they were there uh they weren't quiet at all and it was it was kind of like the gig was up you know oh here i am now i'm gonna follow you

out almost like i was escorting they were escorting us out and i and i give us some thought and i'm thinking maybe i was like you know stumbled on a hunting party because the those deer, you could tell, they were nervous. And they let me, me and my buddy, walked them out. And I'm assuming these folk weren't very happy about it. So, I don't know. Yeah, I get it, man. I definitely get it.

And, you know, what's strange is you hear this sort of behavior all the time from eyewitnesses. And I often think, you know, during the day, it would be hard to pace someone off into the brush while they're on the trail and keep pace with them during the day. These things, they'll do it at night. And what's weird is a lot of, I say, nine times out of ten, I'll ask people, you know, did you see it? And most of the time the answer is no.

Every once in a while, they'll say I got glimpses of it. But it's not pacing people out like an animal. It's pacing someone out like another human, which is very strange. How far away is this place from your, your mother's home. So like I said, it's a, so it borders the same. I would say, so, okay, I always say, so my house, so this spot is pretty close to my house.

And I do have suspicion they followed me back home because that same trail runs across the pond behind my house. And I get rocks thrown across the pond, splash, like when I'm out here, having a beer or coffee. So this is maybe 10 miles from my mom's house, but like the same woods.

So New Hampshire is very densely forested, as you probably know. Most of the state is forest. There's trails, there's like four-wheeler trails especially that go from my house

right to her house. You know, I mean, it's nothing to go from here to there to the woods. So I mean, so on the road, it's probably about 15 miles. If you cut across,

probably seven miles, maybe tops, because of the woods. Like I said, there's a lot of trails. We got a lot of snowmobilers here and four-wheelers throughout the season. Every season anyways.

There's always activity on these trails anyways. And, but there's a lot of dense forests as well. So, I mean, definitely. And so we have a lot of, lakes, rivers, ponds, plenty of woods.

So it would make sense, I guess. So I did, after the first incident, I did reach out to the BFRO, just to report our sighting, my wife and I decided. I've never heard a response back. So, but there have been reports. We did, after all this, we did do some research

and they're actually, It's actually quite the hot spot there And I had never known that There's been a number of Encounters there Right with the last incident was Which, you know, to my surprise As well, if I had known this information before

Might have been more well equipped You know, I'm bringing my daughter there to And my nephew there to swim Yeah, I hear you You know, as a dad, I completely get it. And I think that's why it really should come out is for exactly what you just said there. I want to ask you, you know, after going from not buying into any of this to seeing that thing at your mom's home and then years later you have this run in with your buddy, what do you think Sasquatch is? Kind of what's your opinion? Obviously, there's no wrong answer. you know it's hard it's uh i mean i guess it's not for me to say because uh you know but uh if i were to if i were to um give a good guess or anything you know just like you said strongly strongly opinionated opinion but i would say uh maybe uh remnants of a neanderthal uh somewhere down the line split off uh uh you know, pretty advanced, but less, less advanced at us than us and more primitive, intelligent, superior in the woods. Because, you know, like I said, I'm an avid outdoorsman. I always have been my entire life.

I'm almost 34 now and spent most of my life in the woods. And, you know, they terrifies me. They definitely navigate through those, you know, our dense forests. we have some pretty, you know, dense forest and a lot of deadfall. And they navigate through that a lot stealthier than I do. And you're able to pace me on. I'm pretty in tuned with nature. Like I said, I'm a fly fisherman. And, you know, you're in the water. I mean, a lot of things approach you on accident because you're quiet.

You're not making noise. You're sitting in the water waiting. And you see a lot of beautiful things, a lot of, like, scary things. but this thing, whatever this is, is way more of an outdoorsman than I am. So I, you know, I think somewhere along, obviously, primate family somewhere down the line, split somewhere maybe, here way before we were.

Yeah, and you could be right. I'm curious, what makes you think Neanderthal? Well, just a So I'm pretty inquisitive when it comes to like, you know, history and some some documentaries and stuff. Just the way that they, uh, I don't know, there's a branch somewhere between like a Neanderthals and, you know, us now. I guess the healthy, the healthy respect and fear we have for them or we did, you know. and continuing to this day, it's a strong adversary,

more advanced than us in ways and us more advanced in some ways. But I just think, from what I've, like I said, I'm not huge on the topic, but from what I have researched, linguistics is not their strong suit. They can make, they can mimic, they can, you know, make noise. That being said, I have, like I said, I have had what I think was, you know, I'm trying to lure me into the woods further at one time.

But I think they can mimic, I don't think they're as sharp as us, but more instinctual than us. It just fits like the, in my mind, what I think a Neanderthal would be, you know, good at, you know, hunting survival, can navigate their surrounding. what they have adapted to. Us as humans, we've evolved probably too much where, you know, we kind of lose sight of our surroundings and the woods. You know, it's really hard.

But I think, I just think, I don't want to call them dumb because they're definitely not dumb. But, you know, cave man. Yeah, and I think that's a fair answer. It's a fair answer for sure. And I could see why you would think that. You know, it's, um, they seem to have some weird. language and they can mimic and it seems more than just, you know, a monkey running around. I get completely where you're coming from.

Real quick, what was the incident where you thought you were being lured? So, like I said, I told you, I lived briefly in upstate New York a couple years. Great game. Like the region I was in was like right in the middle, you know, right around the Finger Lakes. area. Good gray fishing. Amazing hunting. So I kind of just, you know, hung my hat there for a couple years. I got permission from this man to hunt his property. My brother was with me, so we both got permission, I guess. We met back up out into like this field, you know, we both broke the hedgerow, met in the field. As we were doing that, we heard a, uh, sound like a lot of

little girl like almost it almost sounded like help yelling help so naturally we went back into the woods and yelled you're like hello you know where are you where are you no response and as soon as we started going started you know approaching the field again the same thing happened this happened about three or four times. But every time we went down, and every time we went deeper into the woods, because we thought maybe they couldn't hear us. But I think our voices,

my brother's voice is deeper than mine is he's a big boy. He's a, you know, six foot three, 250 pounds. He's got a set of lungs on him. He was yelling on top of his lungs. And no response.

So we just got an uncomfortable feeling and he just left. And that was before I even knew anything about this topic, really. I mean, I've always known, you know, a few things. You know, everybody knows about Bigfoot, right? But it was never really an interest of ours. So not until later you is that I realized, actually listened to your podcast. I found out that they can mimic, you know, infants, babies, women, anything, really.

try to lure you in. Well, that's what people think anyways. I don't know, but it just kind of gives me an uncomfortable feeling as well, because I could have easily felt for that trick, you know? Yeah, they seem to be able to mimic and mimic well. You know, and it makes me think of, you know, what do we do when we, when hunters go out, you know, depending on the game you're going after, you'll mimic their calls or a call

that they will come to. And, you know, any good human being here is a child in the woods or another human being saying help, they're going to go look for it, you know, go look for that person. And what makes me where I take pause is if they're mimicking help, where did they hear that from, especially from a child? You know what I mean? That's really what bothers me. Yeah, it really does, too.

Yeah, obviously they had to have heard that, had you have heard that from some. somewhere, but I'm hoping nobody, you know, no little girl was, you know, taken, that that would be awful, but it makes your wonder, yeah, definitely makes you uncomfortable as well. And that's why, you know, you know, in hindsight, like, so you're like, hindsight is 2020, right? If I knew going to this place, you know, what was out there, I would not have brought my daughter there. She's, you know, she's 12 years old and she's starting her, you know, to become a woman. One of a common practice out here is we, you know, take feminine hygiene products and hang

them in trees to lure deer. You use ones, obviously. But so I'm like, you know, that being said, I'm like, you know, I could have definitely, if I had known, I would definitely would not have taken her out there. Yeah, I hear you. There's really no way you could have known. And like I said before, I think that's really why this should come. come out because a lot of people, you know, I get a lot of crap for saying I think one should be shot.

But here's my point. They're being shot now. When hunters are out there and they're terrified and they run into them, they're going to shoot this. This creature, I've heard it over and over and over again. Or, you know, a dad taking his daughter to a lake to swim. There should be some sort of warning for the public out there, in my opinion anyway. I wanted to ask you one last question. Have you or your mother, seeing the lights, and I'm curious around your mom's property. So I've never personally seen it, but my mom, she has had a few experiences with orves or lights. Yeah, she sees lights in the woods sometimes.

Don't know. It's kind of hard to make out. Like I said, we have pretty dense woods here, so it's kind of hard to make out. You can see light sometimes. I hope she doesn't mind me, you know, telling all this. But yeah, you know, he holds a professional license, you know. And we like to keep some things, you know, to ourselves. But she definitely experienced more of that than I have.

I haven't experienced anything like that. But then again, I'm not really paying attention. Most of my endeavors into the woods are just like, have like a certain, you know, objective. I just go right to it. Yeah, I hear you. You know, I don't give away people's information. You know, I don't really say on the show, it's just first names.

And sometimes I'll even change to that if I need to. But I would love to chat with your mom and find out really what's been going on there. You'll have to keep me up to date. Let me know if you guys decide to go back or if anything else happens. You will. We definitely going to go back because I want to, I want to try to. like I said, I'm not trying to test my luck, but you know, I save this is where I can get something more

concrete, I guess. And I think her place would probably be a lot easier because they just kind of come up to her place. So instead of us going to them. So the ones at her place seem a little more friendly than the ones that I encountered at that other place. So maybe I don't know. Yeah, I'll definitely keep you posted.

did, uh, and I think, I think if I can say anything to anybody, you know, in the Northeast, you know, just like stop being so rigid and just come out and talk to you because it's very helpful because, you know, I really didn't know who to turn to. You know, I can talk to my mother, my wife, but like, it doesn't really go beyond that. So, you know. Yeah, 100% because there's a lot that goes on in the Northeast. and people are pretty tight-lipped. I've talked to many people from New Hampshire off the air,

but very few on there. So thank you so much for coming on, Andrew. Absolutely, and I appreciate you having me. And keep on, you know, obviously you've heard this a million times, but keep on doing what you're doing. It's a great thing. Thanks, brother. And that's it for tonight, everyone.

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