Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:903 The Kentucky Massacre

Episode Date: November 11, 2022

Tonight I will be speaking with investigator David Eller for a discussion of his findings in Tennessee. David looked into the Kentucky Massacre and what he found convinced him the attack was not done by a known predator.

News, we're learning more this morning about the mysterious slaughter of three miniature horses in Southern Kentucky. And the big question remains, is a wild animal responsible? Well, this is probably the craziest thing that I've ever investigated. Kentucky wildlife experts and the local sheriff right now are at odds over exactly what happened to these horses. Now Monroe County Sheriff Dale Ford issued a warning to residents over this past weekend to be on alert for a predator. He believes the three horses and a dog were killed by a large animal of some type, which he thinks is still out there. He said, a week ago, there were three horses here. I wake up, the community wakes up, all three horses are dead.

One looks as if it's been thrown across the pond. Mysterious killing of at least five animals. The big question this morning is what exactly killed them? Whatever it was, I can tell you this morning, it's still out there, and it is a mystery. Now, the Monroe County Sheriff in Kentucky posted an alert over the weekend. This after three miniature horses, a husky, and a pit bull were all found dead in the Bill Butler Spur area there. Well, this dog, he said it was about a 150-pound dog. Something grabbed it by the back legs and pulled it against that chain so hard that it popped its head through the collar.

He showed me the collar. The collar was just full of hair where it just shaved everything off the neck. Then the thing throws it down a gully. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelled me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach.

I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. What's going to what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better... Sheriff, get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir?

That's son of a bitch. is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh. This is Susie from Southern California. You are listening to my favorite show, Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone.

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Tonight we're going to be chatting with David Eller. And David's kind of an Indiana Jones. He's traveled the world. He went to the Yucatan. He's gone into pyramids. He's looked into ghosts. He's looked into Sasquatch. And he did a lot of investigations and really started looking into this subject very seriously.

And some of his investigations are, there's a lot of weird things that went on. You guys heard news reports from the Kentucky Massacre there in the intro. and we're going to get into some of that tonight. Let's actually just jump into it. I want to welcome David to the show. David, thanks for coming on. Thank you, sir. I appreciate the opportunity.

Yeah, I really appreciate you being here. And before we get into the Kentucky Massacre and some of these other investigations that you've done, when you very first got into this subject, what did you think Sasquatch was? I realized your opinion might have changed over time, but when you very first got into it, what were kind of your thoughts? I went into it thinking, believing still,

that at least some of these things are flesh and blood creatures that are subject to every physical law such as we. That's the way I investigated these things for many, many years, but gradually other things are showing up. You don't research Bigfoot very long before the weird things start popping up. And so that takes you away from that original earthly flesh and blood thing. I still believe that there are some of these that are flesh and blood, but you get into these other areas. And well, we know there's different kinds.

You have three toad prints, four toad prints, and five toad prints. So does that mean that there are three separate things going on? Or does that mean that there are three distinct variants of the same thing? I don't know, but I know that people who are really into it describe what we know as Sasquatch as flat-faced. But where does the human face come in? Where do the ape faces come in? So there are all these descriptions of these faces and body structures. And I can only think that there's multiple things going on.

Again, the footprints tell me one thing, the various faces tell me another thing, and you've got the problem where you've got the stories out of Canada and Russia that go into the possibility of these things and humans interbreeding. So if Sasquatch and humans can produce offspring, then at least some of these may be closer to human than apes. But I started out thinking they were apes. Even though they exhibit apish qualities, I don't think they're apes. It's almost like you have humans, you have apes, and then you've got something in between, something other, at least some of them. That's the problem. You've got to keep saying at least some of them. You can't, what applies in one area of the United States doesn't apply to another area of the United States.

So I always say the more you learn, the less you know. and I know less now after 30 years than I knew when I first started because I've learned so much. It's a very strange undertaking. You know, people think it's easy. Oh, you just go out there and you would knock, you hoop, which I do. I mean, I do all that too. But they think they're seeing them as a North American animal, which, yeah, some of them are, I think. but there's a lot of other stuff going on, you know, and you can't put your finger on it.

It's weird. Yeah, it's a very strange topic, and you're right. The more you learn, the less you know or you realize that you really know nothing after a while. And I think if you're honest and you're looking for honest answers, then you'll look into anything odd or strange. The guys that are out there and they, oh, it's a North American wood ape and, you know, there's nothing strange about. it and anything that odd that happens while they're out there, they go, well, it must be something else. It can't be related to this.

And I'm not saying that it is related to this, but if you've already got to figure it out, then why are you out there looking for it? But I like your take on it, David. And in the beginning there, I played kind of some newscasts of these killings that happened out there in Kentucky. How did you get involved with this Kentucky massacre? Tell me about this. one of the, this is probably the craziest thing that I've ever investigated.

I started an organization, group, whatever, called Pursue, the paranormal unit for the research and study of unexplained events. And my goal was to get other people involved. And if I couldn't go out, then I would call them in. And that, that works sometimes. I generally tend to work with one or two other people and they go with me to some of this stuff. This particular thing, I just went by myself. I was walking through the living room. My wife had the TV on, and this report came on about these strange things that was going on in Kentucky.

And the sheriff, the chief of police, went to investigate, and he just point blank said, I think it was a Bigfoot. Something came through here and did all this destruction. And I thought, well, I don't know what he's talking about. I'm looking this up. I'm going to go. And within a week, I was there on this site. So it took me a little bit of time to find this area, but I found it. I rolled in and it's a very small community, probably five or six houses and a pond.

I go all the way to the end of the road and I come back and there's a young man mowing a yard working on his lawnmower. And I go up and I say, hey, I'm here to investigate the report that the sheriff gave. Could you tell me about it? He said, well, that guy over there, we need to talk to him. So I went over to the house, knocked on the door, and he was eating his lunch and told him who I was, what I was doing. He said, yeah, I'll tell you about it. And he took me outside, and he showed me the pond. And he said, a week ago, there were three horses over there.

Now, you got to remember this house sits right close to the pond. I mean, you could take a baseball. You could stand on the corner of the house and easily hit the pond by throwing a baseball. It's that close. And he said, a week ago, there were three horses here. I wake up, the community wakes up, all three horses are dead. One looks as if it's been thrown across the pond because there was a wire fence that went right through the middle of the pond. The horses couldn't get over there because of the way the pond is situated and everything.

So there's no way that horse could have been over there. It looked like something through it over there. So we went around to the front of the pond. There was a dog pen right there. The dog would come out and look at me with these Walt Disney eyes, just like, you know, I'm so afraid. And he said, this used to be the community watchdog. Nobody came in here, no car, no person, no one on a bicycle without that dog going crazy. This dog never barked the entire time, whatever happened happened.

While I was there, it never made a sound. Whatever happened there in front of it, scared it so badly, it was afraid. to bark and it was afraid to come out of its house. When he said these three horses, the only problems with, their only wounds on these things were in the neck. And it said it didn't look like scratches. It didn't look like big talents had raked it like a cougar or whatever.

He said it just looked like something just dug into the throats of these things and just ripped out. They were all three dead. None of them made any noise while this was going on. Again, he would have heard it. He slept right there at that corner of the house. No noise. After it left that area, it crossed the street and went down into the next little valley where this other house was.

This guy had a dog. And by this time, everybody's come out to talk to me. They're saying, we can't get any information on this. If you want to help us, man, we appreciate it. So I'm talking to these five or six people. He showed me where his dog was. Now, in the south, we have what's called running chains. where you have a chain between two trees.

The dog's collar is on a chain, and that chain is hooked up to that tree that runs between the two trees. Now the dog can just run back and forth and do whatever it wants to do. Well, this dog, he said it was about a 150-pound dog. Something grabbed it by the back legs and pulled it against that chain so hard

that it popped its head through the collar. He showed me the collar. The collar was just full of hair where it just shaved everything off the neck, neck. Then the thing throws it down a gully. And he said, he pulled the dog up. He couldn't find

any blood on this thing except on one of its claws. And he said, I don't think it was a wound on the dog. I think the dog actually scratched whatever was attacking it. I said, where's the dog? He said, well, we buried it with the horses. And I said, did the horses still have

tongues? And he said, well, I guess, why? And I said, well, sometimes Bigfoot will take tongues out of livestock. They'll just reach in and take them out. And he said, well, there was no blood on the mouth. But see, you would know that. I didn't. So I went ahead and buried the horses.

If I had known that, I would have looked, but there was no blood on the mouth. And I said, well, you also lost the DNA off the dog's claw. And he said, well, there again, I don't know about that stuff. And we talked a while longer. And I said, what, if anything, what other? stuff, is there anything weird going on around here? Any sounds, any, anything that you've seen? He said, yeah, we hear women screaming in the woods. And I said, well, that pretty much tells you because Bigfoot screams sound like women being murdered. And he said, well, that's what it sounds like.

And I said, where are your water sources? And he said, well, we got a creek down that way. We've got that pond. We've got another pond, about a quarter of a mile. And then another pond, another quarter of a mile. And I said, well, it kind of sounds like it's maybe following these water sources. It could have been just a rogue male establishing territory. Who knows what got this thing going? Another guy came out and he mentioned his neighbor and he said, well, that neighbor lost a calf. He said something completely destroyed one of his calves, but he's not telling anybody because he doesn't want the publicity. But I'll tell you where he lives. So we talked a little bit. Now, after all was setting done, they said, now the government comes in.

We had fish and gain in here. We had the conservation department. We had three separate government trucks here, and they were trying to tell us what this was. One guy said it was a cougar. And I said, the guy who's talking to me, he says, I said, you're crazy if you think this is a cougar. There was no scratches on this. It was just like something punched into the throats of these. things, there were no cat tracks along the pond. And how did that horse get over there on the other

side? So he got all bum-fuzzled, jumped in his truck, and left. Another guy comes up and says, well, these horses were shot. And he said, you're crazy. I sleep right there. Do you think I wouldn't hear three gunshots in the middle of a night? No, these were shot. That's what this is. These horses were shot. And he said, no, you're crazy. Why are you trying to tell me what I know didn't happen. Why are you trying to school me into saying something that didn't happen? And he gets all bum-fuzzled and takes off. And the third guy, I believe, was like a county sheriff or something. And he admitted that, yeah, this is not what happened, but we've just got to go along with it. So three separate government agencies tried to tell them what they knew was not right. And that was

the first time I had ever heard any major information on the government conspiracy and the information cover up. So, I mean, it was just crazy. And these people were so, they needed to know what was going on and they couldn't find anybody to help them with it. Yeah, it's a strange event. It's definitely odd. I mean, it's not out of the ordinary, you know, stuff I've heard in the past. But, you know, I've been posting the news reports about these killings. And nobody can kind of seem to agree on anything as far as what it is. I think they came to the conclusion. it wasn't a large cat. They just didn't know what it was.

And some people were saying it was human because the fence wasn't disturbed. They're, you know, it just didn't add up to something slaughtering these animals and then just throwing the bodies wherever. Beyond the noises that he heard, did you find any tracks or was there anything else that you found from this whole, what was going on out there? No tracks. They said there was no tracks anywhere, which is odd too because, you know, there should have been some in the mud, you would think, unless the horses were up higher up off the bank and this creature, whatever it was, didn't even get to the pond. You know, he just murdered them right there and threw them around.

But, yeah, there was no other than the screams every once in a while. There was no other evidence of anything. In my investigations, I find occasional connections with Bigfoot and horses. I don't know if you're familiar with Don Monroe, just an incredible investigator. He has found a lot of Bigfoot horse relation. Some are aggressive. Some he and I theorize that they are, for lack of a better term, raping horses. It always seems to be a female horse or one that has just given birth, either one that's pregnant now or has just given birth.

or has just given birth, and his evidence shows that they are taking milk. And there's also the other evidence where they're just out there having fun with these horses, even Brenda. Brenda Harris, I mentioned it to her, and she said, yeah, I think we see that here on the reservation. So there is that weirdness, the horse Bigfoot relationship, you know, it's odd. Yeah, I've heard that theory before, too, and there is some I, witness reports that would correlate with what you're saying. After all of these killings in this area, did it quiet down or did the creature ever come back that you know of? As far as I know,

that's the last event in that area. And I try to stay in touch with those folks. And as far as I know, that dog has still not barked or done anything. It just scared that one dog so badly. It just doesn't want to do anything but stay in its house. Back to the whole dog Bigfoot relationship. I mean, you get dogs and Bigfoot together. Generally, the dog dies. They'll rip the hide off the back of it and break its back. I had a guy tell me that he had one of his dogs thrown up on his roof.

And it's generally the big aggressive dogs. I don't want to tell Brenda's stories, but Brenda told me that there was three dogs there, one of her neighbors had. And one of them had, it was like King Kong and the Tyrannosaurus wrecks where he grabs the mouth and pulls it apart. She said that's exactly what happened to this one pit bull. The next night, another one gets killed. And then the third night, his third dog gets killed.

So dogs in Bigfoot just have this almost primal hatred. Who knows why. Yeah, and I know that you're referring to Brenda Harris. And she is, she's definitely a legit investigator out there. And I think she's in New Mexico on the reservation. And Brenda is definitely an encyclopedia of information. And you're right. The dogs do kind.

I think the dogs give away Sasquatch give away their location. A lot of times they'll tell people, watch your dog. Your dog will tell you when these things are around. I want to talk about this land between the lakes incident that you sent me. And was it a Bigfoot family? Yes, yes. Years and years ago, when one of my friends, when I first met this one girl named Renee, I worked with her. And, you know, after you get to know somebody, you just say, yeah, I'm really into Bigfoot, blah, blah, blah. Well, she said, all right, well, I have a story. I don't tell this story because I don't want people laughing at me. But when she was about 13, she was the family babysitter. needed babysitting, she'd do it. Well, she was at her uncle's house, and this was on the Tennessee side of the land between the lakes.

Now, you know, land between the lakes has a lot of Bigfoot reports on the southern end. On the northern end, you get Dogman reports. So there's another weird relationship. The whole Dogman Bigfoot thing seems to be happening in tandem, odd. So where where she was was a straight shoot toward land between the lakes, solid woods. And it's miles away, but it's a solid woods from land between the lakes to this house. Well, this house belonged to her uncle, who was the chief of police of the town. So she's babysitting the kids, looks out the window and sees something odd.

she calls her uncle. Uncle Frank, do you have some really big black people live around here? She said he didn't say anything. Uncle Frank, do you have some really big black people live around here? He didn't say anything. She said, Uncle Frank, do you have some big black people live around here? And he said, they won't hurt you. And she said, what do you mean?

He said, they only stay up toward the barn. She said, what are you talking about? He said, let me come to you. Let me drive over to you and I'll talk to you about this. Well, he gets there and he starts telling the story. A little while before these sightings began to happen, he had this garden. He called somebody out to dig a ditch down the hill so it would drain. His garden stayed flooded a lot.

So he wanted to ditch to drain this. Well, he got some guys out here during the day, they called and said, you got somebody out here messing with us. You need to tell them to go away. He said, what are you talking about? You got somebody down here trying to scare us. Okay, you've had your joke. Tell them to go away.

He said, I don't know what you're talking about. Just get my ditch dug. So they hung up a couple hours later. They called back and said, look, if you don't get these people out of the woods, we're leaving. He said, I just want my ditch dug. Okay. He said, we're not doing it. We're leaving.

So they leave. He calls the owner of the ditch digging company and tells him the situation. And he said, okay, well, I'll come out and dig it. So he's the owner of the business comes in, starts digging the ditch. A little while later, he calls her uncle and said, what is the deal with this guy out here? He said, what are you talking about? He's throwing rocks at us. He's throwing sticks at us.

We don't see him, but he's out here trying to mess with us. And I'll never dig another ditch for you, dude. I'm just going to get this job done and we're out of here. He said, fine. So right after that, he theorizes that the smell. of the garden was draining down into the woods. So that began to bring these things up. And he said, he was telling my friend Renee that we see three, four, five at a time. And they will come up to the garden right there at the barn. They don't come up to the house. We'll see them all times of the day and

night. They're just standing there at the barn watching the house. And she said that it got to the point where it was the Saturday night event to bring the family in, everybody sat on the back porch and watched the show. And she said, you could see these things moving through the tree line, these big, giant black people moving through the tree line. And she said, well, how big are these? And she said, her uncle was about six, five. And he said, as far as he could tell, one of the bigger ones was at least a head taller than him. But he said, there's no reason to be afraid. And she said that they did that for a long, long time until finally the family just disappeared and didn't come back. But I know Renee very well, and I know that she was concerned enough that I would laugh at her,

that I believe her story. And she said, I will take you to this house. I'll let you talk to my uncle. And I haven't done that yet, but I do a little bit of film work. And I'm thinking about doing a short documentary about this incident and telling this story because it's, I think it's one of the more fascinating stories that I have ever experienced. Yeah, it is a fascinating account. And there is a lot of reports. If you talk to a lot of eyewitnesses who have these things on their property, it's pretty common behavior. Usually at dusk or right after dark, they'll watch the home. I've heard that from many, many eyewitnesses. I wanted to ask you, how far away from the home was the barn? And did they ever go into any other descriptions besides tall and black? They didn't. And I didn't want to press her because even as she's telling me of this,

you can tell that, you know, she's struggling a little bit to tell it. So I didn't kind of, I really didn't want her to have to remember stuff. I wanted her to just automatically tell me. So one of these days, I'll probably talk to her again about it. But they didn't mention how close. the barn was, but it was close enough that, I mean, you could see figures at the corner of the barn. So I'm assuming it was fairly close. They're as curious about us as we are about them, which is odd. You know, maybe it's not odd. I don't know. Maybe it's normal. You know, curiosity is a normal, normal state of mind, I guess, no matter what you are. Yeah, I think most interactions with these things is based on curiosity. I think they're wondering,

are you doing? Why are you here? That sort of thing. Especially with like the younger ones, they seem to be more curious than the adults. And I'm just talking about from eyewitness testimony, you know, the land between the lakes, there's a lot of bizarre things that go on in that area. And I mean, everything from Dogman to other strange cryptids, Sasquatch, paranormal ghost activity, a lot of weird stuff, man. And I really don't know why. I don't know the history as far as why so many weird things go on there? Well, I have talked to some people, and being into, you know, paranormal, ghost, stuff like that, I have heard and read that water is a major conduit to a lot of strange activity,

and so you have this land mass between two bodies of water, and maybe it's kind of like a battery, some sort of battery effect that it's sucking energy, that it's suck in energy and these things maybe can appear because of that energy that's being formed by these two bodies of water. Who knows? I mean, you know, it's just, it's all theory at this point. Yeah, it's a good enough theory as any. I mean, it's a weird place and I've had so many, probably the weirdest stories I've ever

heard come out of the land between the lakes. Tell me, the first time that you saw one of these creatures, kind of what were you doing and what happened? Well, this was at the pagoda site, which some people may know about this, some people may not. This was an area that I discovered last February. Yeah, and I want to clarify for the audience. When you say the pagoda site, you're talking about an area where you've gone and you've found the structures. Yes, yes.

This is a state-owned 150-acre area. area that is connected to vast other forested areas. And I call it the pagoda site because these structures look like pagodas. They look like igloos, kind of. They are trees that are being pulled down toward trees on the other side and then braided together, truly braided together. And these structures can be made up of 20 trees or more. So you're walking through the woods and you find a wood.

wooden igloo. And they're not, I don't think they are places to stay. They're not like houses that these things would make. They're almost like artwork. As an artist, I'm seeing them as, as these creatures interpreting their surroundings by using their surroundings. And it's like a place just to sit almost or some kind of huge marker. But so far I've found three of these, the largest being 20 by 30, and it's like 7.5 to 8 foot tall in the center. All of these are marked with what I call axes. It is a large stone set between two saplings, and then the saplings are twisted and braided at the top to keep the stone from falling out. The big one, the what I call the longhouse, is marked by six different markers. So these things have to have

some sort of significance or otherwise they wouldn't mark them. Now, what the marker is, is it a directional marker? Maybe. Is it a way of signing their work? If these truly are works of art, maybe this is the way they signed them. You know, it's like, I did this. This clan did this. So I go out and I investigate these sites. The Pagoda site, I investigated once a week, sometimes twice a week, for a year. And during that time, I was moving from one pagoda to another on this trail. And I get this scream, this woman being murdered scream. At that point, I had never heard one in real life scream.

I've heard everything else, the grunts, the yells, the bellows, the clicking sounds, the wood knocks, all everything, all the classic sounds, but I'd never heard a scream. and this is at my 7 o'clock position. Okay, so I have already passed this thing. It didn't have to let me know it was there. It did this so that I would know it was there. So I whip around thinking I am going to die right now. What is this woman got against me?

And I see this huge, hairy form. Very indistinct because under the canopy of this forest, it's always dark. But I could tell it was big and it was hairy. and it's moving quickly parallel with me to my left. It gets in front of me and darts to the left, 90 degrees, and runs into the woods popping trees, pow, pow, pow, until I couldn't hear it anymore. And I thought, man, that was the coolest thing.

I'm going to meet that guy. I'm going to go down this trail because the trail goes down and then it crosses with another one. And I could see the trajectory that was going. and I could probably hit it in about 10 or 15 minutes. So I go down, I make my left, and I'm getting into the area that I'm thinking, maybe it's probably going to be right here,

and you could hear something popping and snapping in the woods. Well, I hear this thing scream again, way off in the woods, and this deer comes bounding out at me, like it's afraid for its life, and it stops right in front of me, and I'm like 10 feet away from this deer, And of course, I've seen all the videos where deer will rear up on you and start slicing you with their hooves. And I'm thinking, I'm going to die right here.

I got a Sasquatch screaming in front of me, a deer standing in front of me, and I'm going to get ripped to shreds. But it doesn't do anything. It just stands there. And I have heard these stories before where deer will come up to humans if they're afraid of Sasquatch. I've heard where they will just lay right down next to a human if they're being hunted. To my right now, another one starts screaming. So I got one back off in the woods screaming. I've got one immediately to my right.

I'm looking to where this sound is coming from. There's nothing there. Nothing. And that's when my attitude changed about some of this stuff. I'm now seeing the paranormal stuff where is this thing cloaking? Why can't I see this? Are these the subsonic frequencies that cause the brain to see things, that aren't there or not see things that are right in front of you.

So I got two screaming at me. Then this deer bolts to my left around me and they continue to scream. And I'm standing there looking right at where this thing is screaming. And there's nothing there. And I just had to completely change my attitude towards some of this stuff. And after a while of thinking about this, I think what happened was I got in the way. I think they were hunting that deer.

The first one was pushing it through the woods toward the other one that was going to ambush it. And I just blundered into the situation. And I think that's why the one on my right began to scream because it was frustrated. It was like, get out of here, you know, kind of thing. You're messing with my meal. So I think that's actually what was going on. I got in the way of a hunt. Yeah, there's a lot of odd accounts like this that I really can't quite figure out.

I had a guy on the show one time. He was being paced out, and he was getting glimpses, and this is middle of the day, he's getting glimpses of whatever's pacing him out, and it looks like something huge and black just kind of pacing him out. And he gets out to this edge of a field, and the thing had followed him all the way out to the field, and it roared at him. And he told me, he said, it should have been about 10 feet behind. me based on the noise of the roar and the sink following me out the whole time, he turns

around figuring he's a dead man and there's nothing there. And it's, you know, in this day and age, we hear a lot of terms thrown around like interdimensional or cloaking or, and you know, when you and I were kids, David, we called those demons. We called those spirits. There was no interdimensional cloaking, all these fancy terms people are using today. and some of their behavior that you get from eyewitnesses seems to be kind of more of something spirit, kind of something paranormal going on. Yes, Bigfoot is very physical.

It eats. It poops. It seems to sleep. But then there's this other side to it that it's just so weird. Do you think it's deception as far as, and I know you've looked into the paranormal, but do you think it's deception in the sense of? Let's get people thinking they're chasing a North American wood ape and focus all of their attention on that. Or do you think they're from somewhere else and they have this weird technology?

Oh, man. All of the above. That's why I say I can't put my finger on the one thing. It seems like there's multiple things. I think that there are, well, look at the Patterson Gimlin film. that seems like an animal to be, some sort of animal that we don't know about, that mid-range between humans and apes. And I'm not an evolutionist by any means. I think that's stupid.

Even Darwin said this theory has so many holes in it that it's going to take someone else to figure it out. Well, why would you come up with a theory that you yourself knew had tons of holes in it? So I am by no means an evolutionist. I don't see men coming from apes. I think what's going on is that these, the physical ones, the ones that seem to be animals, are truly earthly beings. Now, the deception thing could be going on. There could be other groups of these things that are demonic, and they're emulating what we already have here. so they are trying to fool us into thinking it's all the same thing.

And you get into this stuff, and that's when people start saying, well, you're crazy. There is no big foot, blah, blah, blah. That's a bunch of crap. Well, I just tell them research it. You know, my job is not to prove anything to you. My job is just to tell you what I've experienced, what I have seen, and what my, the people that I have met tell me.

that are so sincere, I can't say that they're lying. So again, I think that there are some of these that are truly earthly creatures. And you may be right about the deceptive demons, because I know that stuff is out there. And of course, you know, you always have the theory of the UFO connection, that some of these things are basically intergalactic guinea pigs. We already had our hairy beasts here already, so they had their hair. beast so they would drop them off to test our atmosphere. I mean, that one's been around for a long time, you know.

But here's the other thing. You know, I have people who are willing to believe that there's all these different beings out there in space, but they refuse to believe about a hairy monster in their own backyard. That's crazy. That's the crazy part. You're telling me these, you know that there's aliens out there, but you refuse to admit that there's these big, hairy things clumping around Earth. You're fooling yourself.

You know, people believe what they want to believe, I guess. Yeah, you'd mention the UFOs there. And what's fascinating is if you look at UFO investigators, you'll start to see a change in that whole genre. I'll say around the 80s and 90s. It goes from, these are visitors from another planet to, you hear them use that same verbiage, you know, cloaking, interdimensional. And if you talk to most of these UFO investigators and ask them, they'll say they're

interdimensional. They're from here. They're not from another galaxy. It's something coming from here, which is odd and strange in itself. And I realize no one really knows it's more or less theories, but that seems to be. to be the theme in the UFO community that I've looked into anyway. I want to kind of go with your theory for a second that some of these are animals. And what's weird is, you know, as Americans, we tend to look only at North America. You always hear people go, well, how many Bigfoots are in North America?

How many are in the United States? And then there's always some researcher that gives an answer like he knows what he's talking about. No one knows how many are in the United States. But they're seen all over the world. They're almost on every continent. There's a name for this saying. The behavior is the same. The eyewitness reports are pretty much the same across the board as far as what they're running into. And if some of these are animals, do you find it odd that we haven't been able, you know, deception aside, let's just go with that theory. Some of them are animals. Do you find it odd that we haven't? No one can catch up with it. No one can prove it after all these years? Right. Yeah. I mean, we have snow leopards. We know

there snow leopards are like the hardest thing in the world to see. And yet we have movies of them. We know all about them. You know, so I'm with you. I am with you. If it is an animal, we should have had one by now. We are no farther along now than we were after the Roger Patterson film. No farther. We're still investigating with that same ignorance. We don't know anything. We think we know stuff. So I'm with you. I do understand that thinking. And that's one reason I can't get too upset with people who say there is no such

thing. Because I get where you're coming from. We should have one in a zoo. But then you get into the government thing where maybe we do have some and we just aren't told. You know, and why would the government want these things. Well, I've heard all the theories. You know, I've heard all the, all the things, but I've also heard how they've seen bodies being put in big baskets and lifted up into helicopters, and helicopter takes off. And, you know, check out the res on that stuff, you know. So I think we do have one or two or more. Who knows how many we have? I'm pretty certain that we have dead ones, that have been examined, I think we probably have some live ones. Now, why we don't have any in zoos and why the government would want to tell you, you didn't see what you say you saw,

adamantly telling you that so that you will change your story, that's the weird one. But I get what you're saying, truly. I do, because if it is just an animal, we should have one by now. Yeah, I can think of a couple reasons why the government would keep it under wraps. And I think it's logical reasons, and if you look at other historical events of weird things that have happened, you see the same pattern from the government. But I know it's all theory and everything like that. But I really like your approach to this topic, David, because a lot of researchers, you know, Bigfoot researchers, whatever that means, if there's anything odd or strange or weird, they won't even address it. They won't even look into it. The BFRO is a great example of that.

You can submit your report to the BFRO, and I'm not bashing anyone, I'm just telling you the truth. You can submit your report to the BFRO. If there's anything weird, strange, odd, you also saw lights or anything like that, they're going to filter out of your report all of those things, or they just won't post it because it doesn't fit into their agenda. of it being a North American, you know, wood ape or ape out there running around, all this other stuff, it must be something else so we don't talk about that. And I think it's dishonest. And I also think that it does a disservice because you're really not looking for honest answers at that point. You're trying to, you're trying to find something that fits into your little box,

your little agenda, and everything else is nonsense. And if you're looking for real answers, that's not the way to go about it, in my opinion, my humble opinion anyway. What state are you finding these structures in? You don't have to tell me the exact location. I don't expect that. But what state are you finding these structures? And then tell me about this incident at the Glade. This is Tennessee. This is, you know, I live in Nashville and I do a lot of my research within a, you know, a hundred mile radius of where I live. And this is that, that circle. is really, really full of strangeness. This particular area has what's called glades.

Glades are open areas within a forested area, and they are floored with stone. So you're walking along in the woods, and all of a sudden you're in a wide open area that looks like the final scene from the good, the bad, and the ugly. You know, it's just rocky. And these areas are actually considered deserts because of the plant life that's there, the plant life that's not there, and how deep the soil is. So they're very unusual areas within this area.

We're one of the few places in the United States that are like this. When you walk across these rocks, they make a distinct sound, a distinct ringing, weird clacking sound. I was coming from one of the glades. And the way that this forest is made, the trails and stuff move in and around. So it's not long after you leave a glade that you can't even see it because you've made turns,

you've got trees in the way. So I'm coming down the trail away from the glade. I get to the first pagoda that I had discovered and I begin to hear, clack, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and I'm looking around thinking, that's glade stone. and it wouldn't stop.

Clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, and I look, that's weird. Something or someone is there stone on stone clacking. So I headed back toward the glade, twist and turned and went through the trails, through the woods. Just before I got to that blade, it stops. I go into the glade, I look around, there's nothing there. So I turn around, I hit back to the pagoda, and I walk, walk, walk, walk, walk. I get to the pagoda, clack, clack, clack, clack, like, clack, like, la, like, like, like, like, like, like, and I think, now I'm going to see what's going on.

So I head back all the time I'm walking, clack, like, like, like, clack, like, like, like, like, like, until I almost get there, almost to where I can see the glade, it stops. And I think this is wild, man, what is going on? So I go back, I get to the first pagoda, clack, like, clack, clack, black, like, la, la, like, like, clack, clack, like, la, clack, and then I realize, they're messing with me. They're punking me. They're seeing, now, they did that to me four times before I realized this. four times they clacked, I went back, and I went back to the pagoda. They wanted to see how many times I would do that. Now, there had to be some sort of relay system. There had to be one of them watching me at the pagoda and giving a hand signal.

Hey, okay, now, that would go to the next guy. The next guy would signal the other guy in the glade to start clacking. There had to be a relay. You can't see from the pagoda to the glade. The one guy couldn't have seen me at the pagoda and know when I got there. So there had to be, I think, some sort of relay system. I have always thought there's at least three of these things there. I have actually talked through wood knocks to three of them at the same time.

They do this thing that sounded like a woodpecker. And I would be walking along and I would hear this sound. And it sounded like a woodpecker, but there was something different. And it didn't sound like a woodpecker. So this went on for a couple of visits until one time I was just walking along and I saw these two trees sticking up close together. And I've seen them a bunch of times that I just never thought about it. So I took my mallet and I just began to move back and forth rapidly. And I thought, that's that sound.

That's the sound I've been hearing. And then something answered me, a woodpecker, quote, woodpecker answered me. Well, woodpeckers don't communicate back and forth with pecking. They've got a very raucous screaming sound. But this thing answered me. So I kept at it. Well, then another one answers it. So now I've got two fake woodpeckers talking to me.

And then I began to do what I've noticed. We'll draw them in. And this is kind of like a morse code. Just start tapping randomly in a pattern. And sometimes I'll answer back. Well, then a third one answered that one. And this was all right in front of me to my left, to my right, and right in front of me. So I'm talking to three different ones at the same time through wood knocks.

So that kind of helps validate that there's probably three. There may be more, but I know that these guys travel in three. And this continued until some hikers came through. And once these guys shut down, you can't get them to do anything. So I knew that the conversation had ended and I just moved on. But yeah, they love to punk you. They love to play games with you. I would set up cairns, you know, the stacked stones.

I would come back and they would just be trashed. And these are in places where humans aren't. You're not going to be hiking in these areas. I would set them up, go back and they'd be trashed. I'd set it back up. Next time I go, it's trashed. It's almost like saying, don't mark our territory. We'll mark our own territory.

I was out there doing some sound blasting with my nephew. It was night. I almost always work at night. We were playing the Sierra sounds, blasting them into the woods. And then we walked around the periphery. About halfway through, the sound stopped. And I said, wow, maybe the batteries ran out, but they were new batteries. So we get back to the tape, the CD player, something had hit the button to stop it.

And the thing was just sitting there skipping. Just the button to stop it had been pushed. Well, there's nobody else out there unless we're talking about feral humans. And that's even more frightening than big hairy monsters, you know. So something had come along and messed with the top of this thing and managed to get that button to stop. So it's full of mystery, man. That side is full of mystery. Like every time I would go, something weird would happen.

Hums, they would hum at me. They do this sound that's like, they would do like a sing-song chant. There were times when it almost sounded like they were wanting me to follow. And, of course, I know the stories, especially the Native American stories, they say, don't follow. Don't let them draw you into the woods. So I respect my native brothers, you know, and I don't do that.

But lots of weird sounds and structures. And people are used to the teepee type structures. where they seem to take, you know, dead, fallen trees and make a tepee kind of structure. That's what everybody thinks of when you say structure. These pagodas are different. They're much lighter and much artsier, for lack of a better term. So I want people to see this. So I've got tons of pictures.

And I have a few braids. Yeah, I've checked some of them out on YouTube. I know if people go out there and they type in David Eller. I know you're on Facebook, too. There are some weird structures that you're getting. The last two things I want to discuss with you was the gift and the smaller one. Were these two different incidences? Well, it is.

The gift, you know, I would go out and do the apple thing. I would hang apples in trees. I would leave apples on the ground knowing that, you know, this is deer area. So the stuff on the ground would probably be eaten by deer or other things, but the stuff that's hanging would probably be taken by something taller. So everything was taken, the stuff on the ground, the stuff in the trees, but I would always do it in this one area. One day I walk up and where the apples were was a dead squirrel, stripped completely.

No fur or scan on this thing anywhere except right at the very tip of the tail. there were two or three hairs. So it was like they were saying, hey, you give us food, we'll give you food. I didn't pick it up because who knows what the language is. That's something else that I'm really interested in, structures, sound, and the language of these creatures. What is the language?

What were they saying with this dead squirrel? Was I supposed to pick it up? I don't know. Was I supposed to leave it there? I don't know. And I'm not afraid to say. don't know. A lot of people say during my lectures that that's the one thing they like about me because I'm not afraid to say I don't know. I'm not one of those guys that's going to tell you

stuff that I don't know. Like you mentioned the number of Sasquatch in America. Nobody knows that. That's just, they're just extrapolating. So I'm going to tell you I don't know, but I'm very interested in it. And I want you to know what I've discovered. So I didn't take the squirrel. I left it there untouched because I thought maybe that was more respectful. I don't know. The young one, if I believe, which I do, that there's a possibility of these structures being almost like cribs, where the adults will take the young ones, sit them there, while mom and dad go foraging, then I would imagine sooner or later there's going to be a young one in the vicinity.

Now, one reason I think that these things are used as cribs is because in the floor of this first pagoda, I have found multiple sticks, all of the same size, all stacked up perfectly and lined up in various areas. That takes you to the Christopher Noel theory of Bigfoot Brain, autistic brain. Autistic people, many of them love order, and you will see pictures of the rooms of some of these. people, they have everything beautifully ordered, all their toys lined up perfectly, all their everything, perfectly lined up. That's what looks like happens in the floor of this pagoda. Multiple areas like this where these sticks all the same size. So they either gather these sticks the same size or they make them such. All the same size, all lined up perfectly. So I really investigate this first pagoda really well. Well, I was coming through at one time.

On the back side, about 15 feet away from me, out of the grass and the foliage, this was in the early summer. So in Tennessee, early summer, man, it just, the foliage just booms. A place where three weeks before could have been barren, all it is is leaf litter. Now all of a sudden is bushy and green and can hide anything. So up out of this stuff comes this red back of this thing with a head. Now the back of this thing is about three foot long and two foot wide. Well, in my brain, I'm trying to make sense of it. Well, that's a fawn.

You know, because you always see fawns hiding. Well, this didn't look anything like a fawn, but I was trying to make it so. It was the color of a fox. So suddenly my brain switched and said, with a fox, much bigger than a fox. but I'm still trying to make it a fox. And it takes off. And it was like the thing was on wheels. There was no undulating running movement.

It was like a kid reminded you very much of a kid trying to run on all fours. Okay, that's what it reminded me of. The head itself, what looked to be the nose at the front of the animal was really, I believe, like a tuft of hair. So it was like this thing was running with its face to the ground, and that tuft of hair looked like the nose. It never rose up on two legs. It stayed on all four and just shot through this foliage. And I've heard the stories of the spider crawls and stuff like that.

I've also heard the stories of the gliding. Well, this thing looked like that. It didn't, like I say, it did not have that galloping, undulating look. look, it was completely flat and it looked like you, it was on wheels and somebody was pulling it through the foliage. It really, you know, it was very confusing and it only lasted just a few seconds, but it was very fast. It was almost like it was faster than what it should have been, given the size.

If I could compare it to anything, it looked like a wombat, which, of course, Tennessee, we don't have wombats. But it was that thickness and that heaviness and, but. bulkiness. And like I say, what I saw from butt end to the top of the head, like the back was about three foot long, the head would have made it three plus, maybe four, maybe four feet. It was not a fox and it was not a fawn. And it was the color that is described as the young color. You know, the young ones are tended, tend to be described as that orangeish, reddish, burnt orange color. and that's what this was.

And that's the only young one I've seen. But I always had envisioned that it was two adults that were bending these trees over and maybe a young one was braiding them because the braids are very delicate. And it would take smaller fingers, I would think, to do this as opposed to big, fat, beefy fingers. So I always see this as a family thing. mom, bend the trees over, and junior comes in and starts braiding. I don't know. It's just a theory.

But like I say, I saw this young one at a place that I always thought could have been a crib. So that's the story of the young one. Yeah, that is interesting. And I respect what you're doing, David. I know it takes a lot of time and effort. And, you know, after looking at different things and being in different situations, you can kind of come up with different theories. and I respect all of that.

I know you kind of alluded to it earlier, and I wanted to ask you, after all these years of kind of looking into this thing, if someone were to ask you, what is Sasquatch? What's kind of a simple answer you would give them? Wow, there is no simple answer. Sasquatch are contradictory creatures,

dichotomous in nature that seem to be physical creatures but have a paranormal quirk. That's about as simple as I can go, you know. They're hairy. They bleed. They eat. They poop. And then they disappear. It's a great answer.

It's definitely a great answer. And it's hard to argue with anything you said there. I know that you have a conference coming up next year in Cripple Creek that you're working on, and we'll talk about that as it gets closer to that time. But I really enjoyed having you on the show, David, and thank you for allowing me to kind of pick your brain as far as your thoughts on the different areas of this subject that are so weird. And I respect the fact that, you know, you'll say, hey, I don't know. Very few people will say, I don't know.

A lot of people in this field, they have an answer for everything. And, you know, when you hear someone who has an answer for everything after a while, it starts to sound like BS. But I respect you and I respect what you're doing, man. It was an honor to have you on the show. Man, I just, I appreciate it too. I just, I love your show. And one of the things I really like about your show is your music.

You pick some really cool music, you know, and that seems, you know, odd to say that. But, you know, I enjoy. getting through an episode and just hearing that final song. You know, I don't know who that is, but that's kind of like the period at the end of the sentence, you know, and it just kind of lulls you into wonder, you know? So, no, I love what you do and I appreciate this opportunity to talk to you. Well, you're in a minority. I think most people would argue with you on that.

I think a lot of people think I have bad taste in music. But, you know, I like what I like. and, you know, music should be felt and not heard. But thank you again, David. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchchchronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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