Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:905 Bigfoot Of The Rockies

Episode Date: November 19, 2022

Tonight I will be speaking to Jason Frank. Jason had his world turned upside in 2007 while out turkey hunting. Jason and his wife found tracks they could not place with any animal that is known to science. He later became friends with members of the BFRO. His friends would take him to areas that are known for encounters. Jason writes "I was born and raised in Western Colorado. While Colorado has always been my home, my father's career as a gold miner required that the family follow the work and therefore we lived in North Central California, all over Colorado, and Moab Utah where my father worked at a uranium mine during the Cold War, before Moab was the tourist destination it is now. I was raised hunting, fishing, hiking, and all things outdoors in a family that has generations of outdoorsman and women, cowboys, miners, farmers and explorers. As an adult, I joined the U.S. Army in the early 1990's and served as an Airborne Infantryman in the 82nd Airborne Division based in Ft Bragg North Carolina and a tour in Sinai Egypt. In 1993 while in Sinai Egypt, I was stricken with a serious and mysterious autoimmune disease that severely impacts my life to this day." Jason wrote a book, "Hairys" True ongoing stories of Sasquatch in the Rockies. The book is available at https://bigfootoftherockies.com/ Also check out his YouTube channel "Bigfoot of the Rockies Outdoor Adventures."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chomtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Jesus, get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here.

Uh-uh. Hey, this is Luke Griggs, and you are listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We're going to be chatting with Jason Frank tonight, and his name's actually come up in other episodes I've done. I think 596 or 597.

One of the eyewitnesses was out with Jason in his area out there in Colorado. But he wrote a book, Harry's, True Ongoing Stories of Sasquatch and the Rockies. And you can get the book at bigfoot of the Rockies.com. And I'll include a link to all of this. And Jason's YouTube channel, Bigfoot of the Rockies outdoor adventure. But all of this really started form back in 2007.

And so we'll be chatting about his encounters tonight. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquashchronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Jason to the show. Jason, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me, Wes. Love the show. I was a long time subscriber. Thanks, man. I appreciate you listening to the show.

And again, the book is called Harry's True Ongoing Stories of Sasquatch and the Rockies. And you can get it at Bigfoot of the Rockies.com. And I know for you, Jason, and I've talked to many people off the air, I've had eyewitnesses on the air that have gone out with you. And your names come up many times over the years. And so thank you again for being here. I want to ask you, going back 16 years, so roughly 2007-ish, 15, 16 years ago,

all of this really started for you. You weren't really looking for a big foot. It was just kind of a chance incident. If you would, start from the very beginning, kind of what were you doing and what happened? So, I mean, it's kind of a long story, but I had just gotten out of surgery, and I wasn't walking very well.

And I wanted to go hunting turkeys, and I'm an avid hunter. I do mostly archery now, but I was, anyway, it was a spring turkey hunt. So it loaded my wife and my two labs in the back of the car and we were driving and I was new to the eastern slope of Colorado. I grew up on the western slope, which is, you know, totally different terrain, different area, almost like two different states, really. And I'm like, just looked at a map and I thought, oh, there might be some turkeys in here. Let's go check it out.

I've never been there before. I knew nothing about the area, none of the history or anything else. Started driving down the road and nobody had been there for several weeks. The snow had been stacked up. They had snow drifts in the road, and it's a shortcut from the people driving from Victor and Cripple Creek down into Canyon City. It's a dirt road. But back in the day, it was a single-track railroad for hauling gold ore. And they just tore the rail up and then turned it into a little tiny road.

You can barely fit two cars on it, you know, side by side. And it's extremely rugged, very big canyons and really rough. And I'm just driving along. We were going through these big snowdrifts. I was having used my wench to get through there. No one had been there in weeks. I don't know, a long time. And, you know, we're kind of blast on our way through having this adventure.

And I look off the side of the road and I see these tracks in the snow. And the snow is up to my knees. And I just, you know, I know you're a hunter, but, you know, if you've hunted a long time, especially in the snow, you know what animals look like. You can tell what tracks are from a long ways away. And I'd never seen tracks like these. It would be like one huge divot. And then another huge divot like 9.

feet past the next one. We're talking like a nine-foot stride and snow up to my knees. No animal does that. Nothing. And I'm like, this is just bizarre. So I got out and my car, got out of the car, left my shotgun in the truck and all my decoys and everything. My wife's sitting in the passenger seat crocheting. And she's kind of bored. And I'm like, this is not normal. I've never seen this before. And I had to cross a little creek. And I jumped across the creek and I jumped across the creek and went over there and it was a giant footprint. You could see the toes and everything. And And it was, you know, I know this now, but back then I didn't know, you know, that whole tight, they talk about the tightrope footprints, you know, they don't walk side by side like human beings.

They walk on a tight, straight line. And I'm like, this is just really strange. And I was just blown away. So I got back in the car and told my wife, said, you got to get out and see this. I think this is Bigfoot tracks. And I grabbed the camera, and, of course, she didn't want to get out. She's going to get her feet wet. So she stayed in the car thinking I'm crazy.

And I go over there and I'm looking at these tracks, and I'm trying to photograph them. I didn't know anything about photographing evidence or anything else. I'm just like, well, I'm going to try not to mess things up and take pictures of it. And while I'm taking pictures of it, I found that there was an older set of tracks, the same individual, going down the creek during the blizzard and then coming back up a couple days later. I'm like, it's using the same track, and it's really rugged territory. If you're not walking by the creek and next to the road, you're climbing cliffs. I mean, that's vertical on both sides. And so I started following it, and I was so enamored with it.

I followed the tracks and they went up to the cliff. And I looked and I could see where it climbed up the cliff. I could see where its stomach was like dragging in the snow going up the cliff. And I'm like, what the heck is this? This is insane, you know, and in the dead of winter. And so I took all these pictures and I didn't know what to do with them. And that's part of my book too. You know, when you find something like this or you see something like this, who do you tell?

You know, where do you go? And if you're not involved in it, it's very overwhelming. And you're like, what in the heck did I just get into? So I sent the pictures. I remember seeing, I think it was a monster quest or something like that with Professor Meldrum in it. I didn't even know his name. I just knew he was some guy from Idaho State. So I called him and got in contact with him and sent the pictures to him and a DVD because back then, you know, I had dial up internet.

That would take him forever. Those files were humongous. So I sent him the DVD and, you know, I haven't spent my time in college as well. I'm like, this guy's going to think I'm some kind of moron. He was going to tell me it's some kind of animal I haven't thought about or whatever else. And now he called me up later in the night, a couple days later. And he was like, these pictures are quite spectacular. And I said, I thought it was weird.

I've been hunting my whole life in Colorado. I've never seen anything like this. So anyway, he got me in contact with Dennis Foal from the BFRO. And I know there's a lot of differing opinions of them, too. But Dennis and then the guys here in Colorado were awesome. I've never had an issue with any of them. They're great friends. But that's how I met Dennis.

And I didn't know he was running the Erickson project at that time. It was all hush, hush, top secret stuff. I'm just trying to figure out what I just found in the snow. And after talking to him for a while, he asked me if I wanted to see one. And I said, you bet you, this is amazing. I want to see this. And so the following July, I went out on my first trip with the BFRO at a new experimental location that no one had ever worked at before.

Well, as far as the BFRO was, I think there's some other smaller groups that had been there. And that is now where most of my stuff happens. That's where I've actually built a relationship with that family group up there. Yeah, so you find these tracks and you get with the BFRO, and I give the BFRO crap about their reporting. But I will say your average person who is, you know, just out there investigating different reports that come in generally are pretty good people. I mean, you got Carter Bouchard.

He used to be a BFRO guy, Amy Boo. is another one. And they're great human beings. I just don't like the way up top how it gets reported. So I guess I should clarify that. But generally, your guys underneath, you know, the guys going out to invest, guys and gals that go out to investigate are generally pretty good people. Yes, yes, yeah. No, and I deal with all kinds of people, and it's in.

That's the only thing that really bothers me is the whole cut-throat nature of the big foot world. And I don't do that. I'm friends with everybody. You know, we have a common goal here. we need to solve this mystery. And the world needs to know about this thing because it's incredible. And I don't even know where that, the impact on humanity once people realize what they are. Or if we figure out what they are and what they can do is earth shattering.

Yeah, it's too bad that, you know, arrogance, jealousy and envy gets in the way with, in this genre anyway. You deal with a lot of small people. But I'm with you on it. I think that, you know, if everyone got along and we could move forward, you'd probably move the subject to forward a lot if people could get along. But I don't know, man. So tell me about the first time you had a sighting. Was it at this location?

No. So that location, which was a whole long thing, there was all kinds of stuff. The activity there was off the charts. I was still trying in my mind to deal with the whole Bigfoot reality. and though I trusted Dennis from the moment I even met or spoke to him on the phone, you know, I mean, it's Bigfoot. It's weird. You know, it's really strange.

And I was like, you know, and he told me where we were going, like everybody for the expedition and a couple days early. So I figured, well, you know, I grew up in the mountains. I'm out there constantly. I'm not afraid of much. I go out there and I'll camp on my own. And then if something happens before everybody shows up, that kind of rules out all the hoaxing, right? So that's why I went.

up there and so I went up a couple days early and the activity started almost immediately. And like two in the afternoon, I guess that would be my first official Bigfoot encounter. Was it like two in the afternoon of the very first trip? And I backed the trailer into where I thought they would feel safe approaching me and started cutting up firewood and doing all the chores around camp. And so I had all these stumps in front of the trailer and it started raining. It was like 233 in the afternoon. So I pulled the tarp over the top of it to keep it all dry, and then I went in to make a pot of coffee and just wait for the rain to stop.

And it's a beautiful view over this huge open meadow covered with skunk cabbage. And that comes in later. They love to use that as camouflage. They really do. I don't know if anybody knows that skunk cabbage is, it kind of looks like a tobacco plant. And in the height of the summer and a wet summer, it would get six or seven feet tall. Really, really thick. But this time, I think it was probably, I don't know, maybe three feet tall, I think maybe then.

But anyway, I'm sitting in there and listening in to the pot, you know, boil and making the coffee and watching the rain, and I'm just enjoying the peace and quiet. And all of a sudden, something hits the side of my trailer on me just boom! And just like rocks it back and forth. And I'm on an incline, and I'm worried, oh, my God, you know, if the jacks came out from underneath this trailer, I'm going to go rolling down the mountain, you know. I'm going to take a ride through this giant meadow. And so I put on my raincoat and I'm thinking, what did I screw up? how did I not get the jacks right? And I go out there and none of the jacks, it's knocked off both the jacks.

Luckily, the wheelchalks held. And so I'm like, geez, that's crazy. I don't know how that happened. And I fixed the jacks and I kind of just rode it off. Sasquatch was like the farthest thing from my mind. It's two in the afternoon of my first trip, you know. And I go back inside and it was like five minutes later and boom, it hit me again. And I thought, now I know that wasn't the jacks.

And I go back there and the jacks were still in place, but there was a dent in the upper corner of the trailer where I could see if something had hit it about, I don't know, eight feet up, I guess. And I'm like, okay, that's kind of freaky. Everything was intact. Everything was safe. So I go back into the trailer again. It's still pouring rain outside.

And I started hearing this rock tapping. It was right behind the camper in the bushes somewhere. And it was rhythmic like a dripping faucet. and that dripping tapping faucet thing went on for two solid days. It did not stop. If I'd open the door, it would stop. Shut the door and start again. It just would do that nonstop.

And they wouldn't let me sleep. Every time I kind of start to doze off at night, they'd hit the camper again. And that was just the first two days before anyone else had even shown up. You know, so that was the first real encounter that I had. I really didn't, I mean, we had a lot of audio. I heard, I didn't know, but I didn't know they could talk. I have three days later we had one that was yelling words at us and running through the woods I'd never heard that before that was just it was like the wipeout song it was just bizarre like three in the afternoon so you fast forward about two weeks after that some of the guys there got to be good friends with them they're really good dudes and they said hey you know well we're going to a place that's even more crazy than that would you like to go and I said yeah I want to see one of these things you know I know they're out here now I've heard them without a doubt they thrown rocks at me we had like the night before all that we had like

rocks that were the size of bowling balls thrown at us for like 13 hours i mean it was just non-stop onslaught and you didn't want to move anywhere and people were crying and it was really intense and they'd run behind you and like grunt at you and slap a tree and run off you know and so i go on this other trip and the very first one that i saw was a small one he was only like maybe five feet tall we went to this different location in southern San Juan's and I was hiking with another guy down this logging road and we got there and I don't know a couple miles got down the trail and we get into this open

kind of marshy area that's surrounded by these huge spruce trees and stuff and it's just really mucky and nasty and I hear this like rock clacks like bang bang bang and he goes answer him so I picked up two rocks and I'm like bang bang bang and bang bang and bang bang bang bang, bang, bang. We went back and forth, and this is like two or three in the afternoon. I just saw this little hairy man, and he was running like everybody said.

He just totally fluid like he was floating, and he was so fast. I don't know. I probably saw him maybe four seconds, but he was just moving so fast. But he was only about five feet tall. But he was just, I'll never forget how fast he was moving through that timber. Yeah, I want to come back to this in a second. I want to ask you on that first encounter you'd mentioned, you didn't know that they spoke or that they, you know, had any sort of language.

And this talking that you heard, I'm sure you've heard the Ron Moorhead Sierra sounds. Was it similar to that or was it different? It was similar. So the first one that I heard vocalizations from was on that first trip. And there was, I don't know, eight or ten of us that were there. We were on the side of a hillside at about two, three in the afternoon. And this went on until three in the morning. We were stuck on that hillside from three in the afternoon until three in the morning.

until three in the morning something around there and it took off it was in a stand of trees about a hundred yards below us a bunch of aspen's a really thick timber and he took off from my left running to the right i don't know probably doing 30 40 miles an hour and he went no no no no it was just so weird i'm like that is insane i've never heard that before and you can like hear the the limb snapping off as he was running through the tree. And then after that, most of the time it was just screaming. Then they would run behind you and grunt at you like a gorilla. And by the time you turn around, they're already past you.

I mean, they're that fast. And that went on for hours. Yeah, I've had many reports of them vocalizing, kind of what you're talking about. I mean, everything from mechanical sounds to mimicking things to this weird, kind of like how you just mimicked. I've heard that before. Very, very strange. Now, this other incident where you got a better look at it, we're talking four seconds, as you mentioned. And I realize all this is happening very, very quickly. You're talking 1,000, 2,000, you know, all the way to 4. Was there any sort of details I recall? I mean, how far away from you was a creature? And was it any more that stood out to you beyond a tall hairy man? So I'd say that he was probably 100, 120 yards out, maybe.

Really thick spruce forest, really, I mean, it was extremely lush, you know, a lot like what you guys have in Washington State, just pine trees everywhere. I could see him very clearly. I still see, in my mind, I can still see him. He was kind of a reddish-awburn color with long hair. I'd say the hair was probably five to six inches long. and I just remember how smooth and how flowing he was. I mean, it was like, you know, every watch those guys that are like the parkour guys

that run through those obstacles and they never, that's what he looked like, but he was much faster and much better. I mean, this guy was, it was almost like superhuman what he was doing, and he was just fast as an arrow. Yeah, let me ask you, you know, because previous to this, you had found these tracks and you made friends with someone at the BFRO and decided to go out there, And now you're seeing the creature. And I always say, you know, you can believe in Bigfoot all day long.

It's a whole different ballgame when you actually see it. Are you freaking out at this point? What's kind of going through your mind? Well, so I've kind of gone through that transition a couple weeks earlier, you know, having been surrounded for 13 hours. And I write about this. It was a bizarre experience because that was the busiest night and the last night of that trip. And I loaded up my camper. and I remember driving down the road, and when I drove in, you know, several, it was like five, six days earlier.

For me, it was just another camping trip. Like, I'd done a million times, you know, in my life. And I'm just, this is a beautiful place. I've never been here before, but I really like it, you know. But when I was coming back, I, like, had the camera in my lap and the hill where all this had happened is on my right, just 200 yards off the right. And I'm like, this all happened last night. These things have still got to be here. I know they're here.

And now I'm looking. I kind of started that transition. Seeing the little one, for whatever reason, really didn't affect me much. Maybe it's just because he was so small. The way he moved and the way how fast he was struck me, but it really wasn't a big shock. The big shock came a couple days later, and that's when my brain really got melted. I mean, that was a life-changing event for me a couple days later. Yeah, tell me about that.

So we were up there. I want to say, this is a long time ago. I want to say five to seven days. We're up there for quite a while. And this area is extremely remote. I mean, all these years are going up there. I think we've only seen two other people. But, you know, we had that happen with seeing the one run through the woods.

And then nothing happened for a few days. And the weather was really, really bad up there. We had had some really severe hailstorms and thunderstorms. And we're almost right at tree line. I was like 12,800 feet or something like that. It's way up there. I had a bad back and my shoulder was killing me and all these other issues. But anyway, I'm staying a little two-man tent.

And we had at that time, I think there were eight or ten other researchers that had showed up. And I'm the new guy. I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm just stumbling through this. Totally lost. Anyway, that evening, I had made some elk stew for everybody for dinner. And we had a Dutch oven with elk stew. in a fire pit and had a lean-to made out of a tarp and it started raining really hard.

And somewhere I've got recordings of this. We did have a recorder running and we're sitting there just talking and about 100 yards down the road, there's this huge 48-inch steel culvert that's in the creek that the loggers had put in years before. But it's all washed out. You still can't drive over it, but the culvert still laying in the creek. And we just hear this huge crash. And, you know, we found out the next morning of the same thing. Sasquatch had carried this. It had to have been a three or four hundred pound rock over there

and just smash this culvert on purpose. There's no, there's no environment for it to come off of or anything else. He had to have carried it. But we did catch it. So I think he was announcing himself then. But anyway, eventually we all go to bed. And I'm in a little two-man backpacking tent with a plastic vestibule window. And the window had been blasted out by the hail a few days earlier. and to keep the rain out, I put my old army poncho over the hole. To keep the rain out, and I was only going to stay one more day. We're all leaving. And again, I didn't know that these things could talk.

I was totally ignorant to all this stuff. I tried to educate myself as fast as I could in the few months that I had to prepare before all this, but I mean, that's a lot of information. So anyway, I'm laying in the tent, and it was about, I don't know, two in the morning. And I'm a vet, and I'm very attentive in the wood. was infantry and was out there all the time. And I wake up at like two in the morning and I hear this popping noise. And it's a big part of their language.

I don't know for those of your listeners, I know I heard on many of your programs. It's like a clicking popping kind of about, you know. And I hear this and I hear this and it's maybe it's between one guy's 10 and another guy's vehicle where somebody's sleeping in the vehicle. I hear this clicking thinking, oh, I caught you. you know you didn't sneak up on me i got you no i wasn't even close there was one standing literally six inches from my left foot standing right over the top of me that answered and i'm like oh my

god he's like right there and i laid there and of course i'm reaching from my gun and i'm trying to be as quiet as possible and i had a ruger 45 black hawk that i used to carry all the time until that incident i've upgraded since then as much as i love that pistol but um i had that thing and i had promised I've never hurt one unless they were trying to hurt me. That was one of the promises I made to Dennis, you know, before the first trip. I still stand by that. And it was freaky. I mean, it was really freaky because I could hear them walking around. You could hear the gravel popping. You could hear the clicking and popping. You could hear them opening coolers and playing with car antennas and like drumming their fingers on the vehicles. And, you know,

and at first it was really unnerving. But it went on for several hours. This started at like two in the morning, and I lay there for two or three hours and just listen to them walk around. And that's when I really got kind of a glimpse of how intelligent they are. They would only walk around and move when the wind would pick up and the leaves would start to blow or the trees would move. Or if they'd like get a little drizzle, a hay, a rain or whatever. And even when a jet would fly over, like they would be totally still. And I'm laying there and I'm like, I know they're still out there, but I'm not hearing anything. and a jet would fly over, and then all of a sudden you just hear them scurrying around and walking around like crazy,

and as soon as the jet was out of your shot, they'd freeze again. And, you know, once in a while I hear like their toes curling on the tarp of my tent, you know, and it's like, I don't know, two feet from my head. And this went on for hours. And, you know, I actually got to where I was actually quite at ease with it because I thought, you know, if they were going to hurt us, they would have already done it. They have no intention of doing that. They just want to check our stuff out. and it was around about 4.30, 4.45 in the morning. The Dutch oven and the fire pit was about 30 feet away from me, and I had a, we had all the firewood stacked up perpendicular to the fire underneath the lean-to, in between me and the fire pit.

And I hear this thing lift the lid off of the Dutch oven, and he, like, smelled it. And then all of a sudden, he went, like a giant gorilla. And he slammed that lid down on that Dutch oven. And he ran up on me. he covered that 30 feet in three steps. I have a recording of this somewhere in my house, but you could hear him in the gravel, boom, boom, boom. He knocked over the firewood pile,

and he was on me, and he was making all kinds of aggressive growling and kind of a gurgling noise, kind of like the predator movies. Of course, I'm freaking out, and I got my 45 in my hand. And he reached up and he grabbed a handful of the poncho, and that window's been blown out, and it's like a triangle-shaped window.

And he grabs that poncho, and he sticks his, fist right through that hole with a handful of the nylon and his fist and his fist and his fingers are maybe 10 inches from my face. I mean, I can see the dirt under his fingernails. He was that close. And he's like feeling this nylon and he's like, go, I,

ca, yeah, guy, ca, ca, ha, ha, ha, ga, and I'm like,

and that's freaking me out, right? He clearly is not happy. And I'm like, what did I do? I'm just laying here, you know? I haven't made any aggressive move at all. he let go of the poncho and I guess he got in like a, I don't know, like maybe a pushup position or on all fours or I don't know what he did, but he got down really, really low, maybe six inches off the ground and he pushed his face in from the side of the tent on my right side.

He pushed his face and I mean he was eight inches from my face. This huge head bigger than a five gallon bucket and he's growling and he's mashing his teeth at me and I've got my 45 pointed at him right in front of my. face I know if I pull the trigger I'm gonna blind myself with gunpowder you know but I mean he I mean that gun barrel was three inches from his forehead and I'm in the inside I'm screaming I'm like I don't want to hurt you I don't want to hurt you I promised I wouldn't do this please don't make me do this but I'm pooping my pants I mean it was terrifying then something miraculous happened and this is about this time the sun is kind of starting to peek up you know I've got him at gunpoint and I'm thinking he's gonna kill me at any time and

His hand was just enormous. I mean, his hand was probably 15, 16 inches from his wrist to the tip of his fingers. It's just massive. And his fingers themselves looked like sausages, like Broughtworth sausages. That's how big around they were. And the claws, you know, like I said, I could see the dirt and stuff underneath his fingernails and the hair and everything else. And I'm thinking I'm going to have to shoot this thing or I'm going to die. And if I do that, then I knew there was multiples of.

them out there and they would have killed everybody in camp. I have no doubt. Anyway, something miraculous. Call it a guardian angel. I don't know what it was. A voice in my left ear, plain as day, wasn't even muffled. It was as clear as I'm talking now. Said, he knows you're awake. Kick your legs. And, you know, for a second in my mind, I'm like, who is this talking to me and what that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard? because, I mean, he's like right here, you know. And but I trusted the voice and I'm like, okay. And I'm laying in my sleeping bag and I managed to get that.

My legs felt like they were like a million pounds. But I kicked my legs back and forth a couple of times. And at the time, I didn't understand why. I'm just doing what I'm told. And I kicked my legs like two or three times. And he instantly calmed down. He went from growling and matching his teeth to kind of like, ugh, ugh. And then he stood up.

And that's how I know how big he was, because I can see the shadow out of the tent. And he stood up, and his command, I'll never forget it. He went, ah, ah, ah. Just like that. And all of them lined up right by him, like in the street line right behind him. And then they walked off, and by now the sun is up. And they walked down the bottom, like towards the foot of my tent, up the other side of my tent, and then slightly above this little depression above the campsite.

And then they started chirping, like a really high-pitched chirp. Like, if you were close, it would hurt your ears. Like, they were chirping. I've never heard it since. It was just weird. They were chirping, but they were chattering like monkeys. Like, chit-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-chch-chchchchchchch-ch-chchchchch-ch-chchchchch-ch-chchchchch-and. And I don't know what all that was.

I've heard the chirps like one or two since then, but not like a full-blown chirping conversation, right? And I'm like, oh my God, and I had a camcorder in the tent. So I turned the camcorder on, and I knew guys that told me once they hear a zipper, they usually run off. So I had to go through the zipper in my sleeping bag, the zipper in the mosquito lining of my tent, and then the zipper on my rainfly on the tent. So I had three zippers to go out. I'm like, that's not going to work. So I kind of, they're chirping away, so I kind of sneak out on my sleeping bag without unzipping it.

And then I'm ready to go and I unzipped the mosquito thing. And I just dove out and I crawled underneath the rainfly, hoping to get a shot at them, you know, a picture of them. And they just vanished. They just vanished. They were gone. So I woke everybody up. I was a nervous wreck.

I couldn't believe what had happened. My hands were shaken. I even forgot to turn the camera off. I was walking around on the camera on when waking everybody up. And we surveyed the situation. We found footprints, handprints, fingerprints on the vehicles. And then when we went to pack up a couple hours later, to leave, I found out that he'd urinated on my tent and all of my gear.

And I got it all over my hands and all over my shirt and it smelled horrible. Yeah, I want to talk to you for a second about that voice that you heard. I'm assuming you don't hear voices throughout your life. You know, you're a sane individual. We've talked many times. And I always have a hard time with it. And there's a few in the Bigfoot, quote unquote, community. I won't name them.

but they'll go, well, I'm the chosen one, and this one talks to me and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and it just sounds like BS to me. But when you hear it from like a hunter who's like, hey, man, I heard this, or a hiker or Les Stroud, for example, it makes you stop and go, well, what's going on here? What do you make of the voice that you heard? Well, so on that occasion, you know, I don't know if it was just the shock of the situation. I don't know if I got zapped or what I've, there's only been three or four times where I know that I've been zapped. One time it affected me for an entire week. It really messed me up. Now, what do you mean by zapped?

Give me an example. Well, like I said, that time, I was conscious. You know, it happened. and I think it could have been a complete state of shock. I mean, I went from that, and then five hours later, I'm in a diner eating a lunch on my way home. And I'm looking at all these people who are just going about their regular life. And I'm like, I just had a fictitious monster pee all over me. You know, that's a big one to swallow.

You know, I'm like, and he almost killed me. And I wanted to shoot him in the face. You know, I mean, that's going from that to eating a patty melt in a restaurant, you know. It's a weird thing. Yeah. And so I, and that incident, I felt like I was in a mason jar. It's kind of a weird thing. I felt like I was in a bubble.

It's hard to explain. But, you know, because this last one, which happened a couple years ago, lasted for a week. I was able to really wrap my mind around, you know, more of what it felt like. And it feels like, I don't know if you've ever gone scuba diving. But when you go scuba diving, you get down around 60 feet or whatever, 60, 70 feet. You feel the pressure pushing on your body. body and it felt like that 24-7 for a week. It's just weird and you can't get your head straight. The first time after that encounter two years ago when I got home, I went about my normal

business, went back, went into my office to work. I had already gone to the coffee shop. I'd been all over town and everybody in town knows me and I get to the office and I realized the only thing holding my pants up is my belt. I didn't button my pants. I didn't zip my pants up. I'm walking around with everything just. out in the wind and I had no idea. And my buddy, who also was affected, called me and he said, I just turned on my computer and I've been watching the staring at the warm-up screen for two hours. He didn't do anything.

We were just zombies for a week. You know, both of us were affected. But, you know, going back to that thing, the telepathy thing, you know, I have a theory about this. And this, I don't know if you have time, I can tell you my wife's first encounter, which happened at that same location. Yeah, of course. What happened? It was extremely intense.

And, you know, for those of you are not used to this or never had to experience this, when you jump into this full force and you're like, I just saw this thing and it changes your whole life, your family looks at you like you got three heads. All your friends think you went crazy. You know, so then you've got to fight that swimming upstream every inch of the way. And I was trying to get my wife who's very supportive of me and I just love her to death. But every time that I took her out for the three years, nothing would happen. It was just a camping trip. And I'm like, they're really out here, you know. And it was so frustrating.

And it was really starting to stress our relationship because I think she was just like, oh, you're just going out there goofing around with the guys and you're not doing anything and blah, blah, blah, you know. And so I said, that's it. I'm taking you to ground zero. I'm going to take you to the most aggressive, most in your face place. And if something happens, there will be no doubt in your mind, you know, which is the same location where all this.

this previous story happened where I urinated on my tent. So I went up there. It was me and my wife and a buddy of mine from high school and two other people, researchers that had gone with me that introduced the area to me, him and his wife. And we went up there and it's the end of this logging road. And we actually camped intentionally at this one spot where they tend to get really bossy. And I don't know if other researchers noticed this. They all have one area in their mountain.

I don't know what it is, but they have one area. that they really don't want people in. And if you go there, they're going to get really aggressive. They'll scream at you, throw rocks, and make your life miserable. And this is the area, and it's actually an area that big cliff overlooked from where the normal campsite was where he had the encounter with me the first time. And it's, I don't know, probably a quarter mile up, straight up the mountain. It's just this big cliff.

But it's really wooded, and there's a lake back there. And it's an abandoned Forest Service Road. And so we were camping on this road. I told everybody when the plan is, we'll go up here and we'll sit on these logs about 300 yards into the area where they don't want us to go. We'll sit on these logs to have a couple beers and make a lot of noise, make ourselves interesting, and then we'll walk back to the tent. And hopefully they'll follow us back to the tent. And when we go to bed, we'll have an encounter. That's kind of the thing that I usually like to do.

I like to have them come at me rather than go out and look for them. If usually if they're coming to the camp, they're not so aggressive. You know, they're not like if you're going out there and harassing them and chasing them. and chasing them through the woods. I don't do that. I prefer to just sit and wait. Anyway, we sat there for, I don't know, an hour or so, and we got off a log to walk away. And my friend Dave and Carla were walking in front of us, maybe 50, 60 feet in front of us. I'm on the right-hand side of the road, and my wife is holding my left hand. And one of my best friends since high schools has just left of her.

And he's walking, and we've hunted and done all kinds of stuff together. And he was thinking I'd lost my mind. He's like, these things are now, you're nuts. And we started walking, and we took about five steps. And on my right, there was a stand of bushes and really thick trees, maybe 20, 30 feet thickness. And then there was a lake on the other side. So he had to be between there and the lake. So he was no more than 30 feet away when this happened.

And this thing, he let go and he said, And it was very similar to what is like, on the Sierra sounds. There's a noise on there. Very similar, except for this started with like a dur at the beginning of it, but it's very like a bl blu-low-law, you know, that kind of noise that they do.

And this thing was so loud. It was like standing in front of a freight train blowing its horn. I mean, it was that loud. You could, I mean, it just bounced off my body. I could feel my liver moving in my stomach. It was just like an ultrasound, weird thing. My wife just collapsed to the ground.

It shocked her so bad that she just hit the ground. And I picked her back up, back up. Next thing I know is she's trying to drag me down the road, like trying to run, trying to run down the road. And I'm telling her, no, don't run. They'll chase you. Don't run. Just walk real fast, but don't run. You know, and she's freaking out.

She's hyperventilating. And I'm going, holy crap, that thing is like right on top of us. And it's kind of like your last guy, I just listening on your podcast, one of your recent interviews. And it's like, I didn't see anything. I didn't have any thermal. anything and it was dark, but you think I would have seen something that big. He was freaking massive. So we get back to camp. My wife is kind of almost crying. Her hands are shaking uncontrollably. She starts throwing stuff in the car. And she's like, we're leaving.

And I was like, no, we're staying. And I'm unloading stuff. And she's throwing it in. I'm unloading it. And all this stuff's going back and forth. And we're like kind of having an argument. She's about ready to get out of there. And my buddy Chad goes, what is wrong? And she goes, you didn't hear that? And he said, hear what? And she said, I swear to God, you see that one more time, Chad. I'm going to punch you in the nose. And she's just terrified. I think it's probably the most scared she's ever been. I said, honey, we're not going. This is what I do. We're not going anywhere. This has happened to me numerous times now. We're not going anywhere. He didn't hurt us. My wife's tiny. She's like 100 pounds. And she drank an entire fifth of towaka liqueur in like 15 minutes. And she doesn't drink. So she was trashed. And she was puking in the bushes. I said, this is not a place for you to be puking in the bushes. Puked right here in the road where I can watch you. So she's vomiting and she's really drunk and she staggers into the tent.

And I know she was upset, but she hung in there. But anyway, there's some other things that happened that night. I don't know how long you want to go into the rest of the story. But they did visit us twice that night. And, you know, they opened the cooler and a whole bunch of other things. But the fact that it was so profound for me and my wife to hear this thing. It was probably one of the loudest things I've ever heard.

And even in my military days, this thing was loud. And nobody else heard it is bizarre, you know. That's strange. So only you and your wife heard it. Yep. Yep, that was it. The other three did not hear it. Now, they did hear and see the stuff.

I know that Chad did. hear and see the stuff the night that that night my wife when they were walking around my couldn't wake my wife she was she was completely passed out um but i did manage to get my friend to wake up and he got to see it walking around and i tried to get in the cooler and then it slammed the lid and took off into the bushes um but uh you know so there was that so and they're like said we did and they did pick up uh next to the tent the morning and this is how we all woke up the next morning i had one of those receiver hitches for you know how coolers you put your back into your car.

I had one of those disconnected laying next to the tent. And I had these pieces of rebar that were bent like an S-shaped for ratcheting ratchet straps down around the coolers. And they were just laying there like five o'clock the next morning. A squatch picked up one of those pieces of rebar. And I guess he looked at it and didn't know it was going to make noise. And they always usually put stuff back, usually. And he kind of threw it back down on the ground.

And, of course, I made a big clang and woke everybody off and it ran off. But, you know, for people, that are aware actually, Stan Courtney, do you know Stan? Yeah. So Stan Courtney has gone up there with me numerous times and actually the Colorado Howells was filmed at this location. Yeah, very strange. I want to ask you, why do you think that they're in this particular area? That area, I think it's just because it's so remote and extremely rugged. There's definitely a lot of water. There's a very good size elk population there. There's a lot of deer there. And there's a lot of fish in the creeks as well.

It's a perfect place for them to live. I mean, if I was one of them, that's where I'd live. Yeah, I want to ask you, Jason, I know a lot of people want to see these creatures, and I always say, be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. But, you know, in this area, when you go into an area, beyond, hey, there's cover, there's food, there's water, you found this area to where you seem to have these interactions with these sayings. Is it dumb luck or is there certain, I realize that, you know, someone said, hey, go to this area, there's things going on.

Is there certain things that you look for when going into an area to where you go, yeah, I think that they're here? So I went through this, actually this last August when we saw that when I filmed the mother and the baby, so I did, I do have thermal footage of those two. It's really crappy. I have a terrible thermal. It's like a $700 thermals. Nothing great. but the encounter was quite awesome. But I don't know.

I guess maybe because my hunting experience and my military experience, you start to look at the world a little different than your average person does. You know, you start to look at, you know, terrain, you're looking at water sources, you're looking at, you know, areas of approach. You're looking at all these different things. And maybe it does get into some of the woo-woo world. You know, it does seem like they do have certain areas that they seem to close. buster around for whatever reason.

I don't know. You know, it's not like they've told me. In my favorite area, we've seen the orb numerous times. And I've seen them as big as beach balls, and they're like floating through the forest, totally unaffected by wind, five, six feet off the ground. You know, and we've had weird things where our cameras get blacked out. We've had vehicles that, we've had two or three vehicles that just get zapped and go down. It's like they can drain a battery with just a thought, you know.

And that's a weird thing. You know, I understand that people are like, and I used to kind of poo-poo it too until it started happening to me, and I'm like, there it is again. You know, and it's happened numerous times, and sometimes it's multiple vehicles at a time, you know, and they do it to the game cameras, they do it to video cameras. They've done it to drones. You know, it's this weird woo-woo area that I have no way of explaining it, you know. I just know that it happens.

You know, for whatever reason, I don't know why they pick these areas, but once you start to have a feel for how they think, and I'm really good at this, and people have seen this too, it's just after all this time, I can go to a totally new area. I've done this two or three times. And I just, I don't know, I get a sense for where they're going to go or where they're going to approach from. And I'm not always right, but I have a very good track record, you know.

Yeah, there's definitely a, vibe when they're around. I'll definitely agree with you on that. I know you'd mentioned earlier you had this incident with mother and juvenile, and you'd actually put this up on your YouTube channel, Bigfoot of the Rockies Outdoor Adventure, and I'll throw a link underneath this episode. Tell me about what happened. Yeah, so that happened last August, I think it was. I think it was beginning of August, and that was gone through the Sasquatch outpost with Jim Myers and Bailey. I help them. I'm one of, one of me and Kenny are the regular guides for his teams when he, when he sends people out. And I had, one, two, three, four, five, six,

six or eight people with me. And this, this summer I had an ankle problem. My ankle was not behaving right. And usually I take people in the really, really rugged height, like in the way back country. And, but I just wasn't up to it. So I said, well, I'll take the people who can't get around very good. and, you know, we'll go down this trail and wherever you want me to go. I'd never been to that area before. And we go out there. We went there during the day, and again, like surveying the land, you know, I looked and there was a creek in the bottom. It was kind of went, it was kind of like in a, I guess you could say the ridge was shaped like a Y.

And this would have been right in the crotch of the Y, you know. And the trail was hiking in there. And it wasn't too far from the parking area, maybe three quarters of a mile from the parking area. It's up above a subdivision. You know, it's not as remote as you would think, and I think that happens a lot. I think that there's more of these things around the edges of subdivisions than there are deep in the forest. There's more food and things to play with in the dumpsters than there are out in the middle of nowhere. So we surveyed it, and I kind of got the vibe, and I thought, they're going to like this.

There's water down here. There's a hill behind us. You know, they usually approach from the downhill slope. I write about this, but there was no cover for them, so they wouldn't be coming from the downhill, know, maybe on the opposite side of the hill. But they typically like to poke their heads up over little ravines and stuff, so they're just exposing the tops of their head. They may be 12 feet tall and all you're seeing is a six-inch head, you know.

So we went back that evening. And I think what happened, I think the reason we got so lucky is it was about 11 o'clock at night is that I think we interrupted this family group that was walking into the subdivision to do their nightly trash raid, and we happened to run into them. They're not used to night hikers. and we were actually just sitting there waiting for them. And we heard him moving around at first, but there was a lot of other animals around,

so we couldn't be sure. And I had a little $700, you know, hunting thermal, and it doesn't record. It's to have to hold the GoPro up to the lens to record it. One of the guys that was with us, there were wonderful people. I had a blast with him. It was fun.

But I gave him the thermal. I said, you're playing with this, and he was playing with it, and he found a moose. We had a moose that was about maybe 40 yards away from us. And he goes, this is so cool. So he's playing with it. And I said, yeah, you can zoom in. You know, I was going to show him how to zoom it in. And so I took the thermal from him and I'm looking at this moose. And as I'm messing with the adjustment, I noticed about 100 yards away from us,

probably 60 yards behind the moose, there was this pine tree. And it's a little too far away for the thermal to show like bright colors. You know, it's just showing up with a black shadow. But it was just huge human figure steps out from the tree, takes about three steps, and then looks at us and turns and goes back behind the tree. And I said, oh my God, did you see that? And he was like, yeah, I did. I'm like, that's crazy. Look at this thing. So we started zooming in on it. And there was two of them. There was this one big one. We later learned that she was about 10 feet tall. And what we thought was the baby was six feet tall. And the baby kept, he stood behind the tree and he kept peeking out from behind the tree. And so all of us got to see him through the

thermal imager and tried to record it as best I could and we watched them for about 15 minutes and the battery in my thermal died and I couldn't find my spare battery in my pack turned out I did have it in there but I just couldn't find it but um they we stayed there for a couple more hours after the thermal died and they started walking around us and you could hear them sloshing in the water below us and they were screaming and doing samurai chatter on the far side of the ridge and we had one that was circling around us up above us they were there for two or three hours. And we finally, everybody got tired and we walked out of there, went back to the cars, got back to camp, about two in the morning, I think it was. Of course, everybody's excited. We were

the only group that really got too much activity. And the next morning, everybody wanted to go back to the scene of the crime. So we go back. And we actually did have a large pile of feces that I'm quite certain was probably Sasquatch poop that was on the trail. And one of the guys accidentally stepped in it the night before. It was huge. It looked like a human turd, but it was about the size of a cow patty. I mean, that thing was huge,

and it didn't have any hair or anything in it. It was just really weird. We came back the next day, but there were several hundred footprints up and down that trail, and they'd actually walked through our tracks from when we left. So they stayed there probably all night. It was quite remarkable. Yeah, I haven't seen the thermal yet,

But I'll definitely check it out. And I know it's on your YouTube channel, Bigfoot of the Rockies Outdoor Adventure. And I'll definitely include a link underneath this episode. I wanted to ask you, Jason, you know, after 15 years, almost 16 years now, from finding tracks to having these different incidents this happen to you and other people around you. And I ask everyone this question, there's no wrong answer because no one knows. But what is your opinion? What do you think Sasquatch is?

Well, so, you know, I'm not an expert on that. I do kind of tend to agree with the whole Sasquatch Genome Project thing. I do think they are so human-like, you know, I know that people think that they're animalistic and they're vicious. And I get that. But most people that are not out there interacting with them, it's usually an incidental, accidental thing. And when they're scared. so their first defense is to scare the hell out of you so that you don't do something stupid. And you'll hear this on the Sierra sounds too as they do that,

der rocca, rocka, rocka, rocka, rocka, and they do it to each other as well. And that's a sign of authority. They're saying, I'm in charge, don't do anything stupid. And they're laying their authority when they do that. I've heard that statement from them so many times. But usually, I think it's a mixture. They're afraid of us and going back to the telepathy thing, if they really can do, that. I'm just saying maybe they can. I think that they sense the fear. I mean, yeah, to us,

they're ugly. They have big claws. They live a really rough life. It's not easy for them. And they sense that fear in us, and I think it makes them feel bad. I really do. I think, I think that they can tell that, unless they're deliberately trying to scare you. You know, there is, there is that aspect, but they're just so human-like. They're mostly human in their behaviors. yes, they have a very short temper. Sometimes when you're interacting with them, it can turn south really fast. And you're like, what the heck did I just do? I didn't do anything.

Why are you so mad at me? And I think that's, you know, we do that amongst ourselves talking to other people with different languages. You know, that's not alone a different species. I think they're a human hybrid. I think that something else is making them and has been doing it for thousands of years, alien or whatever you want to call it, I don't know. I think that they're mostly human and something else. You know, and I guess on all kinds of different religious things, but I've never, I mean, yes, they have scared me and I thought, yes, they were going to kill me a few times. But for the most part, they've never really harmed me.

I've never even been hit with a rock. A lot of my friends have been hit with rocks. I've had rocks zing past my head, you know, and then I had that one touch my face, which is a whole other story. But that one didn't scare me at all. He didn't even try to be quiet. He sounded like an elephant coming up on me. He was letting me know he was coming. Yeah, definitely terrifying.

It's a fair answer, but it terrifies me a little bit. You know, especially some of this, I guess, what you would call woo, this paranormal stuff that goes on. And I've heard 10 times as much as I've ever published on the air. And I don't know, man, this stuff makes you nervous when you start getting into it because it gets reported a lot by your average person who has, no agenda. They have nothing to gain. And most of the time, they won't come on the show and share it publicly, but they'll tell me off the air what happened to them. And the genome

project could be right. I mean, it could be 100% correct. I've talked to Melba off the air, Dr. Kacham off the air, and sweetest person I've ever spoke to, probably one of the most intelligent people I've ever spoke to. And before it's all said and done, I'd love to have her come on the show, and we've talked about that. But, you know, she could be right with that whole genome project that she was working on. And Jason, I know we're going over 15 years of your life, and it's hard to kind of cram that into an hour. But I'll definitely get a copy of the book. And for the audience, the book again is called Harry's True Ongoing Stories of Sasquatch and the Rockies.

you can get it at Bigfoot of the Rockgeese.com and Jason I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and try and compact all of these different incidences that have happened to you in a short amount of time.

I had a really good time chatting with you, man. Thanks for having me, man. And then, you know, I just, it's just, it's an amazing subject and it's just, it's most of my life, you know, as strange as that is. You know, it takes a lot of dedication. And I kind of do this for all the other researchers and witnesses that have had their life turned upside down for this.

You know, and it takes a lot of hard work and a lot of bravery to go out there and do it. And then even more to face your fellow man and say, this thing was right here. You know, and that's not an easy thing to do. But thanks for your show. I think it's a great outlet for people. And you have a lot of people, probably more than you know. Thanks for the kind of words, Jason. And thanks again for coming on.

And that's it for tonight. everyone, remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.