Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:912 The Appalachian Trail Encounter

Episode Date: December 16, 2022

Alex will be a guest on an upcoming show. In 2006 he was hiking down the Appalachian Trail. Alex said "I thought some serial killer was following me. He matched me step for step. I stopped on the trail and caught sight of someone or something in wearing a black hoodie. I thought it was a person. I kept moving down the trail and that's when the rocks started whizzing past my head. I started running and this thing gave chase. It was knocking over small tree's, it sounded like a bull dozer. I will also be speaking to David. In 2009 David was returning from a funeral when a large creature stepped in front of his vehicle. David said "The driver coming in the opposite lane stopped and this thing went straight up a mountain side. I didn't know what it was but it looked like a man, a big man walking across the road.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. What I'm glad? They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

It sounded like a language and they were chumtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. What's going on what are you reporting? Jesus, get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a male, sir?

Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-uh. This is Susie from Southern California. You are listening to my favorite show, Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We're going to be chatting with Alex.

And Alex comes to us from Pennsylvania. He was actually on the Appalachian Trail. This is about 15 years ago. And as he talks about the encounter, you'll kind of understand the way he felt. He didn't know what he'd run into. He thought it was some crazy guy on this trail, throwing rocks at him. And he ended up hearing another encounter, and he's like, oh, my God, that's exactly what happened to me.

So he'll be going into that tonight. A lot goes on on that Appalachian Trail. We're also going to be chatting with David. And back in 2009, he's out there in Tennessee. He was coming back from a funeral when this saying had crossed in front of him. of his car and i'll kind of let david go into it if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show shoot me an email my email address is west at saskatch chronicles dot com let's jump into it tonight i want to welcome uh alex to the show alex thanks for coming on yeah no problem dude thanks for

having me yeah man i appreciate you being here and i know we're going back about 15 years ago you were 2021 going down the Appalachian Trail. If you would take us back to that moment, obviously you were hiking, but walk us into what happened? So, yeah, I was, at the time, I was getting into backpacking and, you know, I wanted to, you know, do section hikes on Appalachian Trail. And so at the time, I was, you know, I was, like I said, I was 20 years old. I was pretty naive. And, you know, one day my wife was at work. And I'm like, you know what I'm going to do?

I want to do like a tough hike. I wanted to challenge myself a bit. And there's a spot by me. It's called High Point State Park. And so it's a pretty uphill steep walk. And so that was my goal. I just had a backpack. I had food water, you know, just the bare essentials, really.

Like I didn't have any, I didn't have a knife or anything. It was like I said, really naive. I just wanted to get on the trail. So, yeah, I sat out. I think I hooked up on the trail. I want to say it was in Unionville, New York. And then you just kind of walk your way up. And so, yeah, I just started walking down a trail.

It was a beautiful day. I want to say it happened in September. So, yeah, I was just, you know, enjoying myself, enjoying the weather. Just enjoying being by myself. And so, yeah, I was about 45 minutes into the walk. and I start hearing like footsteps, you know, on the, like the leaf letter. So, and it was, it wasn't on the trail. It was like to the left of me.

And, you know, I couldn't see whatever was making the noise. But, you know, I wasn't really worried about it. You know, we had lots of deer and stuff like that out by me. So, you know, whatever. I'm just, you know, continuing on. And then I kind of start noticing it's very bipedal sounding. Like, you know, I'm pretty. pretty confident. I know what a deer sounds like. And so I was just kind of like,

huh, like, why does this sound like a person and why are they not on Appalachian Trail? Like, you know, it's not uncommon when you're on, um, on that trail to bump into people. It's pretty popular. So that struck me as a little odd. And, you know, prior to this, I read, I was reading a lot of books. Um, and, you know, there's a lot of weird, um, things that happen on the trail. There's a lot of strange, uh, you know, people. You know, people have gotten, you know, raped or kidnapped and just, you know, not nice things. So, so, you know, in my head, I start thinking kind of, like, there might be some weirdo on this trail. So I got my guard up a little bit, you know.

So, whatever, I keep walking. I can, you know, another 10 minutes go by and I still hear this person trailing me. You know, at this point, I'm like, right, this is definitely kind of odd. So I stopped. and then as soon as I stopped nothing the the footsteps stopped

so I'm like okay this is this is getting really weird now so whatever though I keep going because at this point I'm in the middle of the woods I gotta keep going and so yeah I keep walking and then there was like a ridge

like over to you know to my left so I kind of turn to see if I can surprise whatever it was and I saw it looked like like a person in like all black with a black hoodie on and they kind of just were able to, you know, there was a bunch of brush and they were kind of just able to duck behind and then that's all I saw. And so I thought at that moment, I just thought it was some weirdo while,

you know, stalking me or just, you know, trying to mess with me on my walk. So that really kind of freaked me out. So I mean, I keep walking, but in the back of my head, I'm like, you know, I don't, like I said, I had no weapons. I had nothing on me to defend. myself. So, you know, I'm just kind of going through my head of what I'm going to do if, you know, said person wants to mess with me. And again, all those stories and those books I read, they're going through my head. So, you know, I'm kind of a little panicky. And I'm, again, I'm not experienced in backpacking or, you know, hiking, yes, but, you know, I just very inexperienced. So I continue on. And then all of a sudden, a rock comes flying,

past me. Wasn't a big rock, but, you know, it was a rock nonetheless. And, you know, I kind of just thought, you know, like maybe, I don't know, a squirrel or something had, you know, a rock and it just fell off the tree. You know what I mean? Like, I'm making stuff up from my head to try to make sense of that. And so, so yeah, I keep walking. You know, like I said, at this point I have to.

And, um, another rock. And then another rock. And then, like, this baseball size one comes. winds it over my head and bounces off of a tree. And at that point, you know, I'm like, okay, somebody, like, is either trying to hurt me or, you know, I'm being attacked on the trail right now. And so I start, you know, I'm looking around, trying to see if I could see something. But, you know, once again, I don't see anything.

But all I hear are these footsteps, you know, like just pacing with me the whole time. At this point, I was actually, like, full. boom, I was kind of panicking because I was never, I've never been alone in the woods like that. And, you know, I didn't, I didn't know what was going to happen. So I called my wife, she was at work at the time. I just wanted to let her know where I was, you know, God forbid something did happen. So, yeah, I told him, like, you know, I'm in, I'm on Appalachian trail between Unionville and Greenville. You know, I was approaching high point where it's the elevation starts to pick up. And, you know, if something happened, this is where it looks.

And I'm, you know, like I said, I'm pretty panicked when I'm talking to her. So I hang up the phone. At this point, I'm just kind of annoyed, you know, because I'm just trying to walk. I have a good time. And, you know, someone's harassing me. So I start jogging to try to put some space in between, you know, me and the other, whatever this was. And sure is, you know, without fail, this thing picks up the pace with me. And you can kind of hear it, like, pushing saplings down.

you know, just, you know, trying to really stay with me. And, you know, rocks are still coming by. You know, I'm still hearing all that. And, you know, just seeing them like kind of whist past my feet or over my head or, and whatnot. So, you know, I got a little winded at one point. So I had to stop again and the footsteps stop again. And so at this point, I kind of knew where I was.

And there was. The trail in that area kind of intersects with some back roads over there. So I kind of knew that if I can kind of keep the pace up, I can get to this road and at least, you know, there's houses on the road so I can at least somehow, you know, escape. So, yeah, I catch my breath. You know, I took a swig of water. And I just full on sprinted. I ran as fast as I could because I was really. freaked out. And so as I'm sprinting, that now I, you, whatever, whatever it was, was not

messing around. Like, big sound, like, I come thinking the trees probably was a, be four or five inches. These trees are going, the trees are going down. And I can hear the feet. And it was, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And it just, you know, you can really hear this thing tearing through the woods. And that's what I, it really kind of hit me around. I'm like, man, this is a person. This is a pretty decent-sized person. And I can run pretty fast. I'm not a slow person at all.

And they're, you know, keeping pace with me perfectly the whole time. And then finally I see the road. And I'm like, oh, my God, thank God. Thank God. And I get probably around maybe 50, 75 feet, maybe not. Yeah, Nazi, yeah, it's probably a little over 100 feet from the road. And then I heard it kind of slow down and stop. And, you know, obviously I kept going.

And then, uh, then I hit the road. And I just, I went down the road and I just, I had to hang out and chill out for a while just to, you know, catch my breath and, you know, calm myself down. Because I, I really thought I was getting jumped. Like, I thought something, something bad was happening to me that day. And so, yeah, I mean, that was basically it. I, um, I just kind of calmed down. And then I had to walk back to my car. And I was, so that took me probably like 30 minutes to go.

to muster up the courage to do that again. But yeah, going back to the car was uneventful. It was just that little just walking that, you know, and I honestly was probably walking for, I never made it to high point. I kind of, like I said, I made it to right where the elevation starts to pick up. And then after that happened,

I'm like, I'm getting out of here. And, yeah, I mean, that was pretty much it. Yeah, I would be scared too.

I mean, especially since you think it's, you know, a murderer, a killer. a human out there looking to take someone down. I mean, that would definitely startle me. You know, when you're out there in those woods, the Appalachian Trail, I know you live in Pennsylvania now, but that Appalachian Trail runs through many different states and have had so many encounters

on that trail and the behavior is the same time and time again of them, you know, and I don't really understand that behavior because if they're pacing you or throwing rocks at you and you're leaving, why did they push it? Why did they keep? It's like if a bear was in your yard and you went out there and went shoe bear, I mean, you're not going to go out and say shoe bear, but you know, you've got a bear out of your general area. You're not going to keep following it, harassing it all the way out of the neighborhood. And these things do. And it's weird. It makes me wonder why they do that, you know? Right. No, exactly. And that's in, I get, so, yeah, I don't know if, did I mention this in the beginning?

So I never thought this, you know, at the time I knew nothing about Bigfoot at all, like, new zero. You know, I, you know, I knew what everybody else knew, you know, the Jack Wink's guy here, you know, stuff you'd see on TV. But, yeah, like, I never put too much thought into any of that. And so I think the two years ago, yeah, the two years ago, me and my wife were going down to Cape May, for a wedding and she's actually a big fan of a tony merkle's show why i love that you guys bust each other's balls mean it's so funny but um so we were listening to that you know because it's like a four and a half hour ride or something like that and then um you know i was just like all right let's see if we could find something else so she's like oh what about saskatch chronicles

i'm like bigfoot like i didn't think what you know i didn't think i was like all right whatever we got a long ride put it on So, yeah, we got hooked on your show. And so, you know, I just kept listening, listening, listening, and I'm at work one day. And it was a story similar to mine. I don't remember the episode. And I was just like, holy crap, man. That one time on the trail.

And ever since then, dude, I don't really, like, I gave that all up. That scared the hell out of me. I don't think you could pay me to be in the woods by myself anymore. Yeah, I get it. There's always those moments where you look back and you go, oh, my God, is that, you know, I've had a lot of people tell me that. And a lot of hunters tell me that too when they're like, you know, this one moment in time has always bothered me. And I had no idea what it was. And, you know, I heard someone else explaining basically the same situation I was in.

And, you know, the house of cards comes down. All of a sudden, you know, what you were kind of putting away in the back. your mind is now forward. And I get it, man. I get it. I think what we do as humans, I think we try to make sense of things. And, you know, you were in this situation where you thought it was a guy. And I want to kind of come back to what you saw.

But when you were leaving it, was it pacing you out kind of on your side? Yeah. It's, yeah, it was just the whole time. It was always just parallel to me on my left. And, you know, like the landscape where, you know, sometimes it was flatter, but right when this happened, like there was like this, it was just like a hill, like a ridge, and I couldn't see over this ridge. And right when that kind of began, that's when I turned around and he kind of just did,

it looked like he did one of these things. Like he like kind of covered his head. But yeah, all I could see was just probably from the knee up. And I couldn't really see like the face because he looked like he kind of shielded his face with his arm. but yeah completely all blacked out and yeah just like I said I just thought it was some some weirdo in a hoodie but you know it was so quick I maybe had like a second of a glimpse if that and that was it yeah it's crazy out here Alex in Washington I get a lot of those reports mainly from hunters and they'll go well I thought I was just a weird weird guy with a

hoodie on kind of uh and they described the same way it's always a black hoodie. It's, it's, the thing is all in all black. And what's fascinating is I kind of think people say the hoodie because that's the shape of the conical head maybe they're seeing. You know what I mean? Yeah. I agree. Yeah. And I know we're kind of going back, you know, 15 years ago when you were in your early 20s. During that time, did you ever go back to that trail? I mean, I did go back on Appalachian, never alone. But there's a lot of different, in that area, there's a ton of different, like, spots you can hook up to it.

But I honestly, when we spoke the other night, I'm like, man, maybe I should go back and, you know, just take a look at the area again, let's see if anything else comes back. Because, like I said, it was a long time ago. And I never really thought much about it after that up until a little. listening to the show and it just, it like brought it all back. And I was even talking to, uh, to my wife. I was like, you remember that phone call and, you know, what, what exactly did I say? Like, you know, I, you know, I remember, but I just wanted to hear her, uh, you know, perspective. And yeah, she said the same thing. She's like, you were freaking out saying there's some

guy in a black hoodie, you know, chasing after you throwing rocks at you. So I'm like, all right, yeah, no, that's, that's what I remember. But yeah, no, I, we, you know, I go hike you with my family. I'm always armed. I never go without a gun. But that definitely, like, I have no desire to get into backpacking. Like I said, going to sleeping in the woods. No shot after that. Yeah, I get it, man.

I definitely get it. I think it's one of those things to where once you realize what it most likely was, which I really think that this is what you ran into. I mean, human doesn't make any sense. You know, bears don't throw a rock. So, you know, what else are we left with? I know we're going back many years. What do you think Sasquatch is?

What's kind of your thoughts on it? Yeah, and I knew you were going to ask that. I mean, I like to think that it's just some, you know, it's just, you know, like, you like the way you were, it's just, there's an animal that we just have not caught up with. But after listening to, you know, so many episodes, like, I have a hard time believing that there is. something else that, you know, we may or may not understand about it. Just because, you know, some of these witnesses, the stuff they see and just their stories and how convinced they are, you know, and the details and, you know, and all that, like, yeah, I think,

yeah, there's some kind of ancient species that we haven't caught up with that has some other paranormal factor going on. that's the best I can I can come up with for that. Yeah, can I ask you, do you think it's more of a man or do you think it's more of an animal? That's a tough one just because I feel like, you know, you have the skunk ape in Florida. I feel like people kind of describe that different. And then in Texas, you know, they have their more common descriptions. and I want to say it's more man than animal,

but not by much, if that makes any sense. Yeah, I don't know. That's really a tough one. Because you'll see, like, some people will say, like it looks like a Native American or something like that in the face. And other people, you know, they say it has kind of like a chimp appearance where, you know, they're just the profile of their nose and their face. So, yeah, that's a tough one.

I believe that there's just there's a plethora of these things. And it's not just one, you know, look to them. Yeah, I hear you, man. And to be honest with you, it's a very difficult question to answer because you could make an argument for both. I mean, you can make an argument that it's a man and you can make an argument that it's an animal. And there's not very many other creatures on this planet, in my opinion anyway. that you could do that with, you know, maybe a primate, but, you know, chimpanzee'll kill you in two seconds if you look at it wrong. And these things are, you could definitely make an argument.

And that's my whole point. I think it's one of those questions to where it kind of depends on your experience, too. I mean, what was your encounter like with the thing? Was it, you know, I think a lot of that comes into play. And a lot of times they do act very human-like. I mean, it's hard to ignore that. most times act very animal-like. And it's a terrifying encounter.

I mean, looking back after all these years and kind of realizing what happened to you, man. I really appreciate you coming on and talking about it because it's a behavior that really makes no sense to me. But it gets reported all the time. And thank you so much again for coming on. Oh, yeah. Thank you for having me, man. That was at a good time explaining that again. just because like I said, I never thought anything of it up until the show.

And, yeah, and it kind of just brought it to light and made it make sense. And I appreciate that. Next up on the show, I want to welcome David. David, thanks for coming on. Well, thank you for calling. I appreciate it. Yeah, and I know that your encounter took place in 2009 in Tennessee. That is correct, yes, sir. I was on my way home from a funeral, actually.

Well, if you would, just start from the very beginning. What were you doing and walk us into what happened? Well, I work in a skilled nursing facility and one of the therapists that shared the office with me. She recently passed away unexpectedly and I was coming home from her funeral. So I wouldn't normally be on that stretch of highway at that hour of night. I would have been home much sooner. But so I was coming home from this funeral, so my emotions were already heightened, you know. I mean, this was, she was a young person.

She was only 45, my goodness. Anyway, so I'm coming home, and I'm coming down the highway. And in East Tennessee, way up in northeast Tennessee, it's very, very unpopulated. and I was coming home from work crossing the Clinch Mountain Range, which pretty much divides East Tennessee from the rest of the world. And people who have been on one side of the mountain have never been on the other side. But I lived on one side and worked on the other side, so I traveled this mountain all the time. And it's very wild, very uninhabited. Anyways, I'm coming home on my normal route from work.

And it was dusk because, like I said, it was after a funeral. So it was like 8.45 or something like that in the evening. And I'm just coming down the road. You know, I'm already somber thinking about what just took place. And all of a sudden, my God, this thing is in front of me. And I'm slamming on my brakes because I didn't want to hit it. And it was that time of night when my headlights were on. and there was a vehicle coming from the other direction, and their headlights were on.

And if you know anything about these mountain roads in East Tennessee, there are no guardrails, and on one side it will be straight down to some sort of a riverbed or something, and on the other side will be straight up a mountain. So there's really no place to pull off, and so I'm coming down this road, and I wasn't going fast, maybe four years. or something because they're all curvy. And I know exactly where it was. Highway 70, mile marker 20 on Hawkins County.

And I'm coming down the road and there's this thing. I slam on my brakes. I got nowhere to go. I can't pull off to the side of the road. There's a vehicle coming the other way so I can't go around anything. So I slam on my brakes and I screeched and I left rubber in the road. But during this time, this creature running across the road in front of me extremely quick was caught in the crosslights of my headlights, plus this oncoming vehicle in the other direction, caught headlights. So I could get a really good look at this thing.

Now, I did not see the face. It must have been looking the other way. I don't know. but it was moving quickly, and I could see that the hair, it was black, it was dark, black, maybe dark brown, I don't know, but as it was running, you know, like wind would be in your hair, this was not fur. I knew this was no bear. It was not fur, it was hair. Three to four inches long, maybe kind of, you could see it in the crosslights of the headlights from both vehicles. And so I slammed my brakes on. The other guy stops opposing me. And this thing runs up the mountain straight up. So we both just kind of looked at each other and we exchanged a few words and we decided we were going to turn our vehicles and try to aim them up the mountain and see if we could see anything.

So we did that. And of course we didn't see anything. It moved so quickly. It was gone. And another vehicle was coming up the road and we were blocking. the road so we had to go on our way. But during that time, he stopped and he looked at me and he said, are you all right? And I said, yeah, why? He said, because you're as white as a ghost. And I said, well, did you see what I saw? And he said, what did you see? And so I described to him

what I saw. And I'm six foot tall and this thing was taller than me, so I really don't know how tall it was, but it was definitely bigger than me. And it was running on two feet, and it was very quick running across the road. And I did not see any facial features because it may have been looking the other way or, I don't know, covered with a lot of hair. I don't know, but it was very dark. And anyways, it ran off. So the next day, fast forward, I go to work, back over the mountain, back to where I work. And I knew that the maintenance director lived really close to where I saw this thing. So I was talking to him, and I was telling him my encounter what I saw.

And he said, wait a minute. Was there a vehicle coming the other direction? And I said, yeah, there was. He said, was it a van with some like three or four guys in it? And I said, yeah, it was. and he said, well, he said, that was my son-in-law. He said, and when I, he said that when he stopped like that, he said he told me the same story you're telling me about whatever you saw on the road. And so I'm thinking, wow, that's really cool.

So as this time we're talking, because I didn't know this guy, I just knew the maintenance director. I didn't know it was his son-in-law. So we've never spoken since the two of us. But as we're talking with this about this, the dietary manager walks by and she hears us talking and she just stops and interject. She said, Bigfoot and kept walking. And I said, oh, whoa, wait on. Wait on, Jackie. What are you talking about Bigfoot?

Because that's the first Bigfoot ever came up. I didn't know what I saw. I just knew I saw it. That's all. And sort of this other guy. So Jackie said, well, I've lived in this area all my life, and there's been talks of sightings of Bigfoot for a lot of times around here. So as we're talking, of course, now I'm in the facility,

and people I work with are making fun of me, and I'm getting jokes on my computer and instant messages that are funny. And, you know, people are mocking me out, basically. because already they thought I was strange because I eat differently and live my lifestyle more naturally, but whatever. And so people already think I'm strange, so now they're just writing me off as some sort of a kook. So I pretty much didn't say anything to anybody. And I started to research on the Internet about anything that was happening like that in this area. and I hooked up with a website that somebody interviewed me and we talked about it.

But apparently this has gone on for some time. Now, I wish that I had had a face-to-face or something, you know. But people would say to me, you know, did you get a picture or why didn't you shoot it or hit it? And it's like, what? First of all, it happened so fast. who thinks of taking a picture and why would I hit it? Why would I want to shoot it?

This is why these things run from us. Really and truly, I believe in Harry and the Hendersons. I mean, that's what I'm looking for. I'm not a violent person. And that's pretty much my encounter, which is not near as exciting as some of the ones I've heard on here, but I'll never forget it. Yeah, and I respect your feelings on it, Dave.

I do you know, as far as them being Harry and the Henderson's. Let me ask you, how far away was this creature from you? And how tall do you think it was? I realize all of this is happening very, very quickly. Well, it was probably only two to three feet in front of my bumper by the time I stopped because I slid my brakes. And it was at least six and a half, seven feet tall. I mean, it's hard to tell that quick and everything else, you know, in the dark, but it was definitely taller than anybody else that you would see around normal. Yeah, that's really, really close.

You know, and that sort of behavior you hear of them doing. And, again, that makes no sense to me. Why not wait for the cars to pass? You know, it's so weird. I want to go back to when you saw this thing right in front of you crossed as the other car was crossing. was there anything that really stood out to you something i realized again all this is happening very very quickly but in that moment was there anything that stood out to you about what you were seeing like the movement it was very fluid the movement was gliding it was very fluid and very

quick and um it was so fast that it was like oh my god did this really happen that's why i'm glad there was somebody else to collaborate with me because otherwise I would have thought I was crazy what I saw. And at least there was me and there was at least two. I think there was three guys in that other van. And they all saw the same thing. So I'm not crazy. Yeah, you're definitely not crazy, David.

I mean, there's so many sightings in the area you're talking about. And when you start getting up there, especially in the Tennessee Mountain, mountains and, you know, out there in the rural area, a lot of those people don't come forward. They'll have encounters and they'll never talk about them. Let me ask you, you made a comment earlier about Sasquatch being like Carrie and the Henderson's. And for my own curiosity, what makes you feel that way? Well, just because they portray Bigfoot as being more benevolent.

And I'm just a person who always sees the glass half full. I'm always looking at the positivity in people. I'm looking at the positive side of life. I'm always trying to look up. So I just want to believe that, you know, these creatures, whatever they are, they're really not evil and trying to do us harm. Although I've heard several different encounters on your show that makes me think differently, So I've really kind of changed my opinion as to what exactly is this entity.

Yeah, I admire that, trying to see the positive in things. And, you know, I respect the way you feel. I obviously disagree with it. But it doesn't mean that I'm right and you're wrong. I mean, you could be right and I could be wrong. I really was just curious when you had made that comment. You know, you said it kind of changed your opinion. What do you think that these creatures are?

I really think outside the box. And I believe that I've heard so many encounters on your show that, and I hear the sincerity of all of them. And I do believe there's flesh and blood involved, but I also believe there's an interdimensional factor to this that I believe they're interdimensional entities that can come into our dimension and out of our dimension into their own. And that's why we don't find any remains and that's why there isn't bones. And that's why they move so quickly and disappear so fast on people is that they're simply changing dimensions.

I believe there's a lot more to it than what most people think, you know, flesh and blood. I think that is involved, but there's also a higher consciousness to it, I believe. Yeah, when you say interdimensional, I'm wondering if you could kind of dumb it down for me. I mean, when I think of something interdimensional, I guess I think something more like a spirit, you know, like in the Bible. Let's say everyone's on board, we all believe in the Bible. You know, the spirits came down. They had a meal with Abraham. Lot and his wife were dragged out of Sodom by two spirit beings, two angels,

but they were physically dragged out of Sodom. And so when I think of, when people say interdimensional, I think of something more in the spirit form. And I'm just a simple country boy. Is that kind of what you mean? Can you dumb it down for me? Well, the best I can try to explain what I'm thinking of is, first of all, think of a fish in an aquarium. And literally, they're living in two dimensions, although they can see out of their dimensions into a third dimension which you and I are living in, but they can't get there and survive.

And I believe that there's more dimensions beyond ours that you and I live in. there are more dimensions beyond that that we can't particularly see or live in at this moment, but others may. I know that sounds really out there, doesn't it? No, I don't think it sounds crazy at all. I mean, Albert Einstein said there was, what, 11 dimensions? I think they start falling apart around 10, 10, 11 dimensions. And it was just the facet to where how we experience reality.

And when he get into physics and that sort of thing, he proved it with math that, you know, it's fascinating. You know, what's fascinating is even when you get into like ghost encounters and poltergeist encounters, I think of that sort of thing as being interdimensional. I guess, you know, even with UFOs, you know, several years ago, they said that there were aliens coming from the other side of the galaxy. and now most of these UFO guys will say, you know, it's coming from here. It's interdimensional. Whatever this is, it's coming from here. And it's kind of scary when you think about it. I'm there.

I've had a UFO sighting myself, which makes me just be extremely opened in my thinking to accepting what's out there and just taking it for what it is because how can you explain it? Tell me about your UFO sighting. It was back in the early 80s, I believe, in western New York. And we lived in western New York, very rural area. And out the back veranda of our house looked, overlooked a valley. And out there, my wife and daughters said, oh, my gosh, look at this. And there was this huge, like, Independence Day size saucers.

shaped craft with lights blinking, but there was no sound. It was just hovering over the valley. And they were looking at it and like, oh, my goodness, oh, my goodness. And then the neighbors from across the street, they saw something over there. So they came over and they were, ended up on our veranda. And about probably 15 to 20 people ended up on our veranda looking at this very same thing, wondering, oh my gosh, what is this? And then completely silent, it seemed to rise up so far in altitude and then just vanished, gone, zip, nothing. And everybody just stood there looking at each other with our jaws drops like, what in the world did we just see? I mean, that was pretty exciting.

Yeah, that's very exciting. I know Les Stroud told me about one that he saw when he was filming the Survivor Man series, and he described it, you know, like the size of a shopping mall. He said it was huge. How big do you think this saying was? ...fit in a football field. And it was totally silent, totally silent, and moved so quickly. Which makes me think they're changing dimensions or something.

I mean, my goodness, to be able to have. vanish like that? Yeah, it could be. Definitely could be. I know a lot of eyewitnesses I've talked to you that have seen UFOs. They'll describe that sort of thing where it's like you blink and it's gone. Can you kind of describe what it look like? You know, you're pretty much the typical flying saucer that Hollywood has described, basically.

It's like you take two bread and butter plates, right? And they have a little bit of a concaveness to them so they can hold whatever. You turn them upside down. You've got two things that make like a saucer with lights around it. And pretty much that's what it was. And that has been proven through aerodynamics to be the most efficient way to move through space as well. I mean, the shape. Yeah, I've heard that.

I'm not a huge fan of flying when there's two wings and an engine. I don't like flying either way, but I understand what you mean. And if you look at a lot of the spy planes were developing and have developed our last 20 years, they're starting to get that real round look to them. And I know the Sasquatch encounter, the roadside crossing, happened back in 2009. And I appreciate sharing the UFO encounter. I know you said early 80s, and that's going back, you know, over 40 years ago.

I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share with us what happened to you and your thoughts, David. Thank you so much. Well, I really appreciate the opportunities to do that. I wish mine was a little bit more exciting, but it was exciting to me. But I just hope it's encouraging to others to maybe share their experience. Yeah, I think all encounters are exciting and fascinating. And thank you again, David. And that's it for tonight.

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