Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:918 The Beast Of The United Kingdom

Episode Date: January 14, 2023

Tonight I will be speaking with Paul Sinclair. Paul is recognized within the field of unexplained phenomena for his honest no nonsense approach to the subject. He prefers to follow the research wherever that may lead, even if it means putting himself in locations and situations most people would not want to be in. Paul is currently working on a new documentary called Wolfland, about unusual cryptid sightings in the UK. https://sasquatchchronicles.com/wolfland-documentary-2023/ Check out Pauls Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@paulsinclairtruth-proof9740

Residents of a quiet borough in Devon, England, were alarmed back in 1996. Over 15 eyewitnesses came forward to share an encounter that they had in the Cherston Woods. The press called it the Cherston Bigfoot. This creature was spotted multiple times. Every eyewitness that came forward had the exact same description. The being was about five feet tall with brown hair covering its body. The strange part about the encounters is people were describing the creature's face as having a green tinge. Despite not knowing each other, all of the eyewitnesses were very consistent with their description.

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You are listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We're going to be chatting with Paul Sinclair. We're going to cross a pond tonight. And Paul's going to be sharing some encounters of this dog man that we have over here in the United States. People are seeing it over there in the UK. And I know Paul calls it a werewolf. I'm not caught up on names. I mean, it's a, I don't know what to call this thing. But people are definitely seeing it. And I've had a lot of reports here in the United States. of people running into this weird cryptid. So Paul will be sharing that with us tonight. And his documentary, Wolflands, is set to come out this year. I posted a little clip, kind of a teaser of the film, up on Sasquatch Chronicles.com, if you want to go check it out. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. and if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Paul to the show. Paul, thanks for coming on. Thank you, as it's a pleasure. I've always admired Sasquatch Chronicles, so it's great to be finally talking on your show. Thank you.

Yeah, it's great to have you, Paul, and I can't wait to pick your brain about some of this stuff. And I know we're going to be talking about the, Wolfland documentary. Paul actually has a YouTube channel. Go check it out. It's called Truth Proof. And I'll post a link underneath this episode. Go subscribe.

Check out some of his content. Paul, if you would, tell us a little bit about this Wolfland documentary that you have coming up. It would be a pleasure, Wes. We should have the film absolutely complete, including the music. The filming's done by the end of February. We've still not placed it with anybody as regards

as regards releasing it at the moment and we have got some contacts at Netflix and other places so there is a possibility it might end up there but that's a possibility not a definite. It's been three years in the making

and I've narrated it Les Drake's done most of the filming and I'll tell you about some of the accounts in the documentary Wes. You know, I personally don't think they're not all werewolf or dogman related.

I think we've got Bigfoot accounts mixed in here as well, even though the witnesses, they were just normal everyday people without an interest in the subject who've seen something that's totally off the wall to what they would expect seeing. And we sort of follow the coastline up east Yorkshire.

I live in a fishing town of Bridlington. And when you get towards the cliffs of Bempton and flambourer, and on up North Yorkshire, I realise that some of these locations will have to be Googled. You come into the forests of North Yorkshire, and it's 525 square miles of forest, moorland and farmland, and very remote in places. I know the UK is a postage-stamped size location compared to many other parts of the world, but 525 square miles is a fair area to lose yourself in if you're looking for things of an unexplained nature. Not only that was, in the documentary, we've documented the things of folklore as well.

So it's not just going back decades and decades, but it's going back hundreds of years. There was a guy called Howard Braley, who 121 years ago wrote about the bar guest of East Aten, which was a huge fur-covered hound that was said to haunt and terrorise people on the forests and moors of East Aten. Well, it just so happens that East Aiton is very close to the entrance of the Forge Valley and Brox's a forest where three of our witnesses have had this incredible encounter and gone on film to tell us. Seven miles away, there's a place called Stape. And in the Forest of Stap back in 2002, a gamekeeper, Jeff was working there. And he had a strange experience in an abandoned fact.

farmhouse. He'd been working as a gamekeeper for approximately two years when, in his own words, he says you can sort of walk about on the path paths and on the logging roads, but you very rarely venture deep into the forest, unless you've got a reason. And this particular day, in an area where he'd been working primarily for many years, he'd ventured into a part of the forest off one of the logging roads that he'd not been in before. And he came across a farmhouse that was abandoned, 40 to 50 foot pines, tight up to the sides of it and at the back, and a 30 to 40 foot clearing at the front. It turned out it had been abandoned since 1956.

And in Jeff's words, he said that I was in a caravan as part of my job. He said, and I decided to use it as a base camp. He said, I'd got, he had mixed, he said, I'd gone a bit feral. He said, I really, I weren't bothered. He says, I were working seven days a week just about. He said, there was a fire in it. He said he had doors on. He said the back door was barricaded,

but the two front doors locked with bolts. And it's in middle of nowhere, so nobody's going to intrude on him. You know, he'd not found it in two years of working there. And there's a well as well, so he'd got clean water or water that he could boil on the fire. He said,

and the strangeness began for him, after he'd been in the farmhouse for a few months. His cousin came to stay with him for a few days. I don't know the exact, the exact length of time he stayed. He said, but we were walking back along a logging road back to the farmhouse late one night between 10 and 11 a.m. and, sorry, PM. And I said, as I'm walking back, he said, this sphere of light,

about four or five foot away from my right-hand side just lifted from the ground. He didn't see it on the ground at the time. It just shot up into the air. Well, Jeff, being a former Marine, he thought, that they caught a tripwire flare and he dropped his cousin to the floor and he dropped on the floor himself and he expected squaddies to come out of the undergrowth which never happened and we are very close we're about two to three miles away from raf filingdale's which is one of the main defence areas for the united kingdom and the rest of the world it's you know the purse port a call

if anything from from another country should want to attack us so that's why he thought there'd be squadies. So with his experience, he looked for scorch marks. He looked for any kind of burn on the ground because this thing carried on going. It didn't act like a trip flirt and lighted the area up 500 yards circumference around them. Nothing. So he went back to the farmhouse that night. The next day, he went and looked again for any kind of traces of scorch marks. There's nothing. And his cousin went home. But this is where it becomes a little bit strange, Wes. And this is where the subject of the cryptids, the big foot, the dogmen, whatever you, whatever you want to look into takes on the sort of paranormal realm for me because everything happened after this sphere of life sprang up

in the forest. And he said, I was with another gamekeeper, a more experienced gamekeeper, an older guy said it were new to him as well what were happening. He said, we kept hearing a baby crying in the forest. He said, we couldn't understand it. Bear in mind, you will know. that these guys were seasoned at what they did. So they knew if it was a hedgehog or something being attacked by a rat or something because they do cry. I don't know if people know that or an animal.

He said, we'd have known this were different. He said it sounded like an infant. And we'd walk to where we'd perceive this noise was coming from and it had stopped. But if it'd start again deeper in the forest, he said it was almost as though we were being lured in. They didn't feel any danger at that time. but he felt like he were being watched.

He felt everywhere he went, he thought he were being watched. Chopping wood up outside the farmhouse. He said there was like voice, like an inaudible chatter in his ear. He said, but it was so strange as though there was something right on his shoulder, but he couldn't see anything. So that's set the scene. And this particular night, we'll not say the next night, we'll not say three days after, you know, a short time after, he's laid in the farmhouse.

He's barricaded the back door up. He's bolted the two doors at the front door. front and his litter fire. He's had his food. He's packed, got in his sleeping bag, and he's got his feet towards the fire, and his head, he's on one side and he's looking up at the window. Or that's what happened when he woke up. There's no curtains, bearing in mind this place is absolutely in the middle of nowhere

and abandoned or was. In some reason, in the early hours of the morning, he woke up, and he found himself looking up at the window, and he's in darkness, there's just the embers of the fire. He said, and suddenly this huge figure came to the window, absolutely enormous in size. He said he could see a head that was higher than the lintel of the window, and it was sort of stooped and looking down. He said there were a bit of backlight, and he could see this outline, huge deltoids, huge arms, doesn't see eyes, doesn't see teeth,

he just sees this monstrous shape. And he's thinking to himself, can it see me? It's clearly looking down into the room and he thinks he's just in the shadow. And it probably could see him. I mean, we'll never know. And he knows he can't do anything. He's zipped up in the sleeping bag anyway. And even if he'd have got out of it, there was nothing he could do.

So he watched this thing, five, ten minutes. He said, and he just slowly moved away and disappeared. So the next day, the intensity of being watched, and the feeling of something being around him all the time was really strong. So he decided, in this is his words, I was going to get the drop on it. And he says that in the film. In no way I want listeners to think that this guy had some sort of delusions of attacking this thing. There was none of that.

But when you see the imposing figure of the man that's telling the story, in the forest with me, you will understand. He said, I wanted to see what it was. He said, in the clearing that's 30 to 40 foot away from the farmhouse, he said, I put a tarp down on the ground, put some warm clothing on. I packed my sleeping bag with clothes and lit a fire, and I set everything in the farmhouse. And then I went and got on this tarpolling and laid down under the sweep of the pine branches.

He said, and sometime during the early hours of the morning, this thing came out of the forest. Now here's another reason I believe that there's something more than flesh and blood to these creatures. He said, I never saw it walk. He said it arrived. Almost as though you're moving a torch beam

down the farmhouse. Bearing in mind, it's not illuminated. You can just see this huge dark figure. He said his head was bigger than the... Sorry, he said his head was higher than the fascia boards of the lower barns. So we're looking in between seven and eight foot tall.

And it just arrived. It just moved. No leg movement. No body movement. And it stood at the window. He said, and it stood there with its back to me. And he's looking in. He said, but suddenly I became aware.

He says, I don't know why that this thing knew exactly where I was. Either it knew where I was, Wes, or there's another one watching me, watching it. it whilst it's what imaginary watching me in the farmhouse, if that's not too complicated to get your heads around. And five and ten minutes passed, it turned and just made its way back into the forest and disappeared into the night. He said he stayed there for, I don't know, 15 to 20 minutes

and then, I suppose, nervously, went back into the farmhouse. He said he went round the back because that door, it was the one he barricaded up. He said he was very nervous on entering because he said, I didn't know if it were in there. So that night, he said, I had a really,

really uncomfortable night waiting for anything, a twig to snap, any kind of noise. You know, because he said it were pointless, the size of it, it was pointless thinking the door shut, it's going to stop it. His words again,

well, it could have come through the wall. And the very next day, he left and he'd never came back. Now, he'd kept that story to himself, perhaps told to his wife and a few close friends, for the best part of 20 years, and then contacted me a few years ago. And we've been to the forest. We've since slept in the forest and been to the location and got the full account. But all these stories was, you know, seven miles away, there's another encounter in a forest.

All the forests are linked, I need to add people. So we've got stape and we've got Cropton Forest, but they're just named differently. But there's another encounter from August 2018. And we're not that long ago, are we? We're 2018, and we're seven miles away from stape as the crow flies. And this is in a forest called broxer forest, which in some cultures, a broxer is a shape-shifting demon.

So it's interesting that they have their experience in a forest, I wouldn't necessarily say named after a shapeshifting demon. There's no writings that say Broxer Forest is named after a shapeshifting demon. It's me within the research. I have discovered what the Broxor was. So there's three witnesses. There's Jimmy and Steve who've gone on camera. Witness number three doesn't want to, and that's fine.

Jimmy is the guy who picks two or three locations out every year and they go wild camping to somewhere quite remote. And they picked this place, Brox's a forest. And it's in an 800-foot ravine that's very steep. You don't go down on ropes, but you've got to walk down it very carefully. In some places you would come down on your bottom because it's that steep. And, you know, you've a fair old climb getting up. They arrived quite late.

It wasn't dark. But once they arrived and got into the bottom of this ravine and there's a river close by called the River Derwent, which is interesting because water courses, particularly running water, seem to feature in these cryptid accounts that I've looked into, and I'm sure many other people. The Derwent runs all the way through

and at the back of Flickston, where I first began looking into the cryptids, the Flickston Werewolf, which is 11 miles from where I'm sat right now. But we'll jump to Broxer Forest. So witness number three, who was not gone on film, started acting out of character. And he said, we're being watched.

He said, and the light's falling now. We've lit a fire. We've gathered wood. We're setting up our camp. He said, and we, he says, me and Steve are looking and thinking, what's the matter we? So we got to go.

We're being watched. Something's watching us. So we couldn't understand it. He doesn't normally talk like this. All three men have no interest in the unexplained or the Bigfoot phenomenon. or dogmen. So, he's getting more and more nervous

and saying there's something watching us, we need to go. He said, and then he spots it. He went, look, look. He said, just in the distance, about 30 to 40 foot away, and it's dark now. He said, two huge, human-shaped amber eyes light up in the darkness. He said, that amber. He said, and they're huge.

Now, Jimmy's saying as big as my fists. He said, and I'm trying to think of an animal to a, sign the eyes to. He said, because I'm baffled, I can't work out what it is. And we're worried that witness number three is going to run off into the darkness. He's really, really frightened. The uncertainty and the nervousness continued for probably 30 to 45 minutes until in the end, Jimmy stood up because he couldn't take any more of it.

He was frightened that his friend were going to run away, and they couldn't get out. It just took an hour and a half to descend this ravine in daylight as the light fading light. They knew they weren't getting out. Everybody knows what a pine for a slight where the branches stuck out in all directions and in the night. So he stands up and takes a few steps towards this creature, these eyes, should we say,

and makes a few hissing sounds and shewing sounds. And the eyes disappear. I guess, I don't know what he said, but I guess he thought, well, thank God for that. That's brilliant. It's gone. And then he turned round to look at Steve and witness number three. He said, and the looks on their faces were looks of horror.

The jaws had literally dropped. He said, so I turned back round. He said, and my exact kind of words were, oh, my God. He said, because the eyes from being three foot off the ground were now seven foot in the air. And there's no full moon, but there's a bit of backlight to them. moon with the moon and they can see the outline of this monstrous creature. Sounds like a different description to what the gamekeeper saw. He said, because in Steve's words, when I asked Steve what it was, you know, he went, it was, and I'm stuttering like Steve did, I'm sorry people, but I'm reliving the

moment as they've told me. And he said, it were a were a werewolf. He said, but if you'd have asked me to draw a werewolf, I wouldn't have drawn that. He said, everything about it was a exaggerated. He said its ears looked too long. He turned to the right a few times and its muzzle looked too long. And we've got these self-illuminating eyes. I don't know what animal within the animal kingdom, apart from the, we've got sea creatures with bioluminescence that produces something that eyes that glow without light being thrown on them. Now they estimate that it watched them all night long and it stood in the stance they said like an American footballer, like as though it were going to charge forward. It was so terrifying that they huddled together. They believed it wanted

them to split up. They thought it was growling at them, but it wasn't. They realized it was its breathing. So we've got some physical substance to this thing, even though I'm still suggesting that there's a paranormal aspect or some kind of supernatural aspect to what they were. we're looking at. I think there has to be in some strange way, even if we can't understand how. So there appears to have been some communication with this creature and Witness 3 because he said to Jim, it wants you to go, Jim. It doesn't want you here. Then he looked at Steve and said, and you, Clarkie, he said, it doesn't want you here. It wants you to go. Steve said, he was that frightened that he didn't even look at it in the end.

He just didn't. He said, now wanted it to be over. He said, I don't care how or which way it ended, I wanted it to be over. And daylight slowly creeped into the forest and it had gone. They didn't see vanish. They didn't see some kind of flash of light and it disappeared, but it had gone. When they packed the gear up at first light as easily as they could, witness number three said, it's still here. It's still watching us. And they got to a certain point in the forest and he said it's gone. We're okay now. So they waited two years, Wes. And I did a live stream and I were talking about some military guys encounter with what they perceived as a seven-foot-tall hyena-type creature on the cliff tops of Benton. And he'd been listening to this, one of the witnesses, and reached out, contacted me and told us about what we've termed the brocks of.

We'rewolf. Now, the documentary, we've got eight accounts from witnesses that are all independent to one another. Some of the accounts are very recent. So, you know, we're going back to, I think February the 8th, 2019 is one of the accounts. And we're 27th of January. I've not got the dates in front of me, but I else remember these things. I must be sad people. 27th of January 2020. with an account from a lady and her friend Lee who saw something on the cliff tops at Flambora. So independent witnesses, no interest in the cryptid subject, claiming to have seen something that kind of just defies description. It just doesn't fit into what we would consider normal.

I wouldn't think not within the United States and not within the United Kingdom. Certainly not. So there's a few of the accounts, Wes. Yeah, I can't wait to watch the documentary, Paul. I'm fascinated by the dogman. I've interviewed many eyewitnesses that have seen it. And what's strange is, you know, every eyewitness have ever spoke to said it was very physical. No one ever says they ran into a ghost. They ran into a half-man, half-dog. And, you know, over here we call it dog man. And I think that's more or less because of the American, the Hollywood movies of werewolf, of a man. transforming into a wolf. I think that's why people say dogman instead of were a wolf, but that's neither here nor there. We're talking about the same thing. But I've had people run into this thing.

I had a cop one time. He was down on the border of Texas and Mexico, and he had pulled over these three Hispanic guys. And he started talking with them, and they had looked over to the wood line. Well, all three of these guys started saying, lobo, lobo, lobo. which is Spanish for Wolf, he looks over and he describes this half man, half wolf, snarling at him, coming right at him. The guys in the truck take off, and, you know, over here in America, you don't run from the cops, because if you run from one, 100 will come for you.

But these guys took off. They were so scared. He took out his service pistol and emptied it into this thing. And he said it didn't really do anything to it. Got in his squad car, and he took off. and he eventually drank himself to death over this whole incident, and he refused to go out there and patrol anymore, because in his words, this saying was following him from place to place while he was out there at night. So he refused to go out anymore, lost his job, and unfortunately lost his life. And it's a tragic account, but, I mean, I've had cops run into them.

I had a wildlife biologist in Michigan, Matt, and I think it was back in 2019. The episode might be 769, if my memory is right, but he ran into one of these things on his property. And he said it was the biggest wolf I'd ever seen. And he, if my memory's right from the encounter, he's relatively close to say 30 yards or 30 feet. He shoots a thing with a 30-odd-6, twice. and he saw the impact of where it hit it, and it's like it didn't really affect this thing.

And again, he said it was very physical. You know, it was this weird cryptid he'd never seen before, and it eventually ran off. But, you know, you shoot something at that range with the 30-odd-6, you're going to bring down just about anything. And this creature didn't react. I think, you know, with this dogman, werewolf creature that people are running into, there's a lot of history of it, by the way. But beyond that, there's something very off about this. I don't think it's a normal animal people are running into. It appears to be physical, but I don't think it's normal. There's something wrong here. I'm kind of on the same page with what you're talking about.

You know, I've spoke on quite a few podcasts in America, bigish ones, and I've listened to quite a lot. And I've heard, because obviously we don't have the same interesting hunting that you do in America. You know, I suppose we just shoot pheasant and partridge because, you know, we've not got the wildlife that you guys have got. But I've listened to people talking about seeing these, we'll call them dogmen or werewolf. I mean, it seems to be a big thing with people that they want to, one seems to cancel out the other. that I'm quite happy. I tend to call these things werewolf, but I'm not bothered if people call them dogmen.

I don't have an issue with it, but some people seem to do and they're pushing the narrative all the time. But jumping to what you said was, I've heard people saying, you know, and you brought up that gun, you know, the 30 yard six, because I'm not familiar with firearms,

but I know that's what was said in one of the podcasts. We lined this thing up in our sights and soft shot it, center mass, with a 30 yard six. And apart from seeing, some kind of splat, it carried on standing, watching them. And that's got to tell you, because there's so many accounts that are similar, that's got to tell anybody listening to these accounts, whether it runs against the grain of what you want to believe or not, that these

things are more than normal flesh and blood creatures. That's just my opinion. You know, I can't be persuaded to think that we've got something the size of a bear or a huge brown bear that somehow can withstand bullets, but it's a normal type of animal. I spoke to American Indians, you know, and a guy called Larry Sestpooch, if anybody's heard of him. I mean, you should look at, look him up and listen to him talking about the skin walkers. and because I've been looking extensively I've probably done more research than anybody in the world on the Flickston Werewolf

and I were curious because it sounds like the description of the Skin Walker and he were talking to me about it and he said that these things have the ability to live between two worlds I mean I don't expect people to subscribe to my words but you've really got to remain open to the fact that these things may be a lot more

than mere flesh and blood Yeah, I admire your work, Paul, because, you know, you're willing to look into all the weird stuff. You know, it's, and a lot of people over here in the States, they won't. You know, like the lights, for example, I know you call them intelligent light forms, and we call them balls of light, but I mean, I like intelligent light forms better. But, you know, people see them all the time over here, out in the woods. People run into these things. And you kind of, you have to really look into. what eyewitnesses are saying. Now, is it related to the cryptids? Who knows? But at least document the

fact that people are absolutely seeing these weird lights. And that's what I like about you, Paul, is, you know, you'll look into all this stuff. You don't throw anything out. Whatever people want to believe, you know, you can just take from whatever I'm saying, people. and if you don't believe it, if you think that I'm sort of going in the wrong direction, that's fine. I can only go on my own research and the light form phenomena

seems to go hand in hand with cryptid sightings, UFO sightings, and I'm not trying to say that these lights are somehow transporting cryptids around these locations. What I'm saying is location is key. And a lot of the places where things have an unexplained nature are seen, many other types of unexplained phenomena are being reported. It just so happens that you've probably got Bigfoot researchers in these forests.

But if you'd got people who are interested in other types of paranormal activities, they would probably be unearthing this phenomena. It's just the fact that many researchers don't seem to want to integrate and cross-reference information, which is a massive, massive loss in my opinion. You know, people are missing a trick because I've got reports where the spheres of light, which I've termed the ILFs, the intelligent light forms. I had a website back in 2002 called ILFUFO, intelligent light forms. But the place where these lights are being seen, other things of an unexplained nature are also occurring.

You know, back on the cliff tops of Bempton, these lights have been seen going back decades and decades. And I've been into lifeboat logs and coast guard logs, you know, because we're right on the edge of the North Sea. The forests obviously are inland, but they're all running parallel. And in some instances, you can get lifeboats being called out from lots and lots of different fishing towns. I'm in Bridlington, six miles away that's Filey, then 20 miles away or 18, we've got Scarborough. So people will report seeing luminous red and orange spheres of light over the sea. We need to describe the lights so that the listener does not think I'm talking about flares. These things don't fly from anywhere or spring up from sea level from a boat or dropped from a plane.

They're just a pier and they'll switch on. You'll see one and then it'll punch into four or five switch off and it'll appear six miles down the coast. Just switch on again. No noise. They're totally silent, vivid, yet they're not illuminating the area up around them. And in some instances, the lifeboat is called out from five or six different locations on the coast to look for a plane that's come down or a boat in distress. And we'll have four-hour call-outs, seven-hour call-outs, nine-hour call-outs. Sometimes the lifeboat men themselves see the spheres of light.

Nothing's there. Nothing's resolved. These logs, I'm not talking about just one-offs. They're there every single year going back decades. And so much so that now, I don't mean every lifeboatman, but lifeboat men that I've sort of made aware of this and the guys that have kindly shared these logs with me, realize there's something else to them. And what happens is after a call out, we'll say an eight-hour call-out, everybody goes back and nothing's found. Yet clearly something was seen. It just gets put down in the log as a false alarm with good intent.

Now, that's telling me, it's almost a cop-out. clearly something very real was being seen. But jumping back to the cryptids, you know, myself and Lee, a guy called Lee Haywood went up onto the cliff tops of Benton in November the 14th, 2019. Lee's very switched on guy, very articulate. He's appeared in Wolflands for us, and he wanted to find an explanation for the lights. And I don't mind anybody looking for an earthly explanation.

I think people, as researchers, as anybody with... interested within any part of this subject, be Bigfoot, dog man, UFOs, we should look for an earthly explanation first. And we've rolled that out, we can still, but then we can look for something else. And Lee were convinced that we would find something of an understandable nature to the lights.

As we're driving along Cliff Lane to the cliffs, it's about a mile long, single-track road, he started saying, come on then, Paul, what do the lights look like? And quite honestly, I looked out to my right and there was one in the sky, I said like that. And then they appeared in twos and threes. And it really did.

I mean, we don't call them the intelligent light forms for nothing. So we parked the car up. I went down onto the cliffs with him that night. We set the camera up, set a Sony X-80 up, 4K camera hoping to catch a glimpse of these things. Over the course of that night, I think we saw them four or five times, and Lee was documenting it.

Lee could tell you what aircraft were in the sky. It could tell you even the names of the boats out on the horizon. And I say horizon, because depending on what altitude you are, on them cliffs, you're looking at between 18 on a clear night and 22 miles to the horizon. So as I'm looking out to see, I turn round and in the field at the back of us, there's a hill about 100 yards away. And about 80 yards in, there's a huge sphere of orange lights, just above the ground.

Never seen anything like it in my life, people. All the research, all the years I've been, there trying to film these things, it was huge. Lee's words was, the influence the light gave off was about the size of a Volkswagen vehicle. So I'm spinning the camera around, trying to get some kind of film on this thing, switched it on, it takes a few seconds to come to life, and it's just imploding and gone. Now, where does that come with the cryptids? Well, that was November the 14th, 2019. During COVID, myself and a good friend Bob Brown, it'll relate back to this story in a moment, Wes, so I hope it's not too long-winded for you listeners. We decided that

we'd go on a farm that we knew. The guy let us park my vehicle on the farmland because everything were out of bounds with COVID, traveling and whatever. And we walked across the fields and set cameras up and a couple of chairs, took some warm drinks, and we sat on the clifftops. Basically, I'm hoping to film these lights, which I've done over the years. I mean, I've been going up there years and years, and we do have them on film. Whilst we're there, it's not quite dark. A man walks down across the fields where we'd come from, and he'd got a dog with him, a pointer dog, you know, the gun dog. Said a few pleasantries, how we're looking at the seabirds and that kind of thing,

because there's a huge seabird colony here, one of the biggest Gannock colonies in England, which we weren't looking at the seabirds, and it worked wrong time a year anyway. but we just kind of nodded. You know, when you go out to these places, you don't tell people what you're looking for because it's hard enough, trying to bend people's head around what these witnesses have seen and experience.

And you know something, my job as a researcher, if I've got a witness in front of me who I think is telling me a truthful story, I will back them to the hilt. I really do, because that's what it's all about the witness. So anyway, jumping away from that, he walked into the distance towards Flamborahead.

about 30, 45 minutes later he's walking back. Well, it's dark. So he obviously knows we're not looking at the seabirds. And, you know, he said, well, what are you here for with cameras, lads? You know, what are you doing? And so I told him, I went on to explain that I was trying to film these unusual lights over the sea, the spheres of light. And he explained that he lived about four miles away to a place called Rieton. In between where we were, there's another place called Speeton.

So it gets a bit mixed up, but I want to say the words with some clarity so the listeners know. So he said he'd lived at Riton quite a few years and got windows overlooking the sea, never seen the light. But there was no condescending remarks from the guy. He seemed quite open. And, you know, he were interested enough. Then he said he's goodbye. And off he went, he was on his way.

And my friend Bob said to him, just as he's leaving, have you seen any other than he's leaving. Have you seen any unusual animals? So he said, what do you mean? Well, there has been a large black cat seen up on the cliff tops, Labrador sized. Over a number of years, it appears on social media, people said they've seen it. It appears in the local papers. And so Bob used that as an example. Obviously, we don't say, have you seen a werewolf? Have you seen a big fuck? You know, you've got to sort of tiptoe into these things, should we say? And the guy, in, instance, told his dog to sit down and he said well I can't believe I'm going to tell you this he said but seen as I've got two men in front of me who are telling me they're looking for what sound like

UFOs and now you're asking me about unusual animals I do have a story to tell you I have got something to say and he looked at his dog he said this dog's he said he's quite switched on he's very smart he said and he gave us an example he said if he sees a rabbit his stance when he's seen a rabbit is different to if he sees a pheasant. That might apply to all gun dogs. I don't know, but this is what he's telling us. He said, and I parked up this particular night in 2019. He said, and parked near my home at Riton, I had walked down onto the beach and I was

walking towards Speeton, which would be about a mile and a half away, a mile and a mile and a half from where we were sat, as he's telling us the story. He said, and the dogs acting strange, and I'm looking up on the side of the cliff, and I'm trying I work out what's the matter with him? He's seen something, but I can't say what he's seen because he's just, he's just acting really odd. So I reached into my pocket and pulled my binoculars. He said, there's a full moon. But as I look up, halfway up, this, this side of this cliff, there's a creature, an animal. He didn't say a creature. He said, an animal. And he said, I don't know if it's a large goat or a pony. I can't quite work out what it is. So, but I don't. I don't know. I

I'm watching it, it suddenly stands up on two legs. And I can see its outline. He said, and now the funny bit, now the really strange bit, he says, have you watched the film Harry Potter? We actually knew what he was going to say soon as he said that, because we've had this description before. He said, it looked like the werewolf from Harry Potter. He said, and he stood looking at me in the moonlight.

He said, not growling, not doing anything. It's a long way off. He said, I can see this silhouetted outline. and he said, and it turned and went over the cliff tops and disappeared. He said, and you're the only people that I've ever told. He says, I haven't even told my wife. Now, we have bumped into him once more. We bumped into him early last year.

And there were a few people with us, and we asked him, and he relayed the same story. But where it becomes interesting for me, Wes, and the point that I need to say, I nearly almost missed it then, was that he said it was 2019 and it was November. And it was the full moon. So from that, I can get November the 12th, 2019. That is two days before myself and Lee Haywood saw the huge sphere of light on the hillside at

Benton between a mile and a mile and a half away. Am I saying that the light is somehow, these things are travelling in it? No. But what I'm saying is this paranormal soup that we're all immersed in in these locations of high strangeness, lots of things were exhibiting. and we've got light form phenomena once again associated in close proximity by time and location with a cryptid sighting. And I think we've just got to wake up and pay some attention to the fact that, you know, these things could be connected to the paranormal as well as the real. It's a weird coincidence for sure, Paul.

I mean, even in modern day accounts of Sasquatch on people's property, nine times out of ten, they'll take. tell you about these weird lights are seeing on their property. And most Bigfoot researchers have seen the lights. They just don't talk about it. And it has a long history. I think it goes back way before this. But even in World War II, I think the Royal Air Force pilots were first to see these, what they called food fighters. And then the American pilots started seeing them. And if you read some of those accounts, it sounds like modern day balls of light or intelligent life forms that people are running into now. And there's a long history with all this stuff, really.

I mean, even Christopher Columbus, she had brought up the sailors that were seeing these weird lights and they were being passed off like, oh, it was an honest mistake. They didn't really see anything. Great Christopher Columbus, his log, he wrote, where he saw this weird ball of light flying around his ship. He said it kind of reminded him of a candlelight. He even brought the whole crew up to come up and look at this. weird light flying around the ship.

And so even with this dog man has a long, long history way before this, but, you know, down there in Louisiana, they call it the lugaroo. And it's a French word. I think it comes from a French term. But, you know, even in France, they were executing people who they thought were turning into were wolves. And it sounds crazy to us today. but when you kind of read some of what was going on back then, you understand the hysteria.

There was something going on there where, you know, they felt the need to start killing people over this. There's a long, long history and all this weird stuff, and it could be correlated for sure. It's a weird coincidence, you know, that the lights show up when these cryptid show up. Not every time, but enough to definitely take notice. And even in your country, Paul, I mean, you guys have the legend of the old. Stinker, which was a werewolf. I mean, there's so many, there's so many things that tie back to the past of people seeing this.

I don't think it's anything new. I'm excited to see the documentary, the Wolfland, and I can't wait to, I love the eyewitness accounts, and I'm excited to see it. Do you have another account that you'll share with us from the documentary? I can tie the old stinker story in with this. About 45 miles away from where I'm sat now in Bridlington, there's the city of Hull. And back in the late 1700s, the man-made drainage ditches to stop areas of Hull flooding called the Barmston Drain.

It ranges from sort of four or five foot wide to 20 foot wide in places and obviously various depths. And they call it the Barmston drain because it runs out onto the beach at Barmston, about, which is about five miles from where I'm sat now. And there's a story about a werewolf being seen on the Barmston drain over decades, and they call it the old stinker. But what I find interesting, and it's wrong really, is that a lot of the stories of this perceived werewolf,

and I don't doubt that people have reported it, but a lot of the stories are from Flickston, which has, I mean, Flickston is only like 10 or 11 miles as the crow flies from me. and there's talk of the Flickston Werewolf attacking a stage coach in the 1800s and things like that and a lot of those stories now

have been sort of added to the old stinker story to add weight to it and it's wrong because Flickston, North Yorkshire is a tiny village next to another village called Fult and if you put them both together you wouldn't even have a big village

and they run on to what's called the cars C-A-A-W-R-S It means reeds and elder wetlands. And back in Paleolithic times, back in between 8,000 and 11,000 years ago, it was Lake Flickston. And the early settlements of men in the United Kingdom are found there, the people of the shamanic people of Lake Flickston. I mean, the archaeologists who have done digs there,

and it will connect to what we're going to talk about with the Flickston Werewolf, have concluded that these people were most likely shaman practicing, ritualistic magic and sacrifice based on what they found, the artifacts that have been found. So when I wrote the first book, Truth Proof, the first one, primarily UFOs, unexplained events, but I've got a few reports from the area of Flickston concerning a huge bipedal hound. And when you look back, it goes back into the annals of time. Back in 937 AD, that's over a thousand years ago,

the then king, Athelston, ordered that a refuge be built at Flickston. I mean, the writings are all there, people. You know, I've not concocted these stories to sort of write a book. It's there if you want to research it. And the writing goes that it was to protect travellers from wolves. Then it adds a little bit more. Wolves and an infestation of savage beasts than abounding there. Now, we know that wolves would have been prevalent in the United Kingdom,

back in 937 AD. That's probably 1,085 years ago. However, an infestation of savage beasts. We didn't have bears. They'd gone 1,500 to 2,000 years before that. So what were the savage beasts? And I find that fascinating, particularly when I'm getting reports. I wouldn't say every month, but yearly of people who claim to have seen this bipedal

hound at Flickston. incidentally it's been seen as close to the military base raf staxton wold which is the oldest operational raf base in the world you know if we jump to stape where the gamekeeper had his experience we're talking a military installation there as well which is i find that quite quirky on the cliff tops at benton we've got the former raf benton you know but jumping back to flickston you know there's so many connotations to the wolf two miles away from the village of flitkestone you know there's so many connotations to the wolf two miles away from the village of Flickston, there's another village called Hunmanby. And if you go back in time

and get the true meaning of the word, it's hund, meaning dog, hound, hound man, hound man. Hunt man be. Farm said of the hound man is what it means. And it can't be no coincidence. And the river, the Derwent, runs very close to the back of Flickston, seamer and all these locations.

You know, and I got a report from 1948, from an old guy that lived in the village. When I were doing some research, Wes, I were walking around, not door knocking, but speaking to people and asking him if there'd any knowledge of this. This is back in 2015. And this guy sort of looked at me and no knowledge of it. As I thought he were laughing at me, really, inside. But I don't know, six months passed, and I found myself there again. And he said, how far you got?

And I told him that I found out that the things similar to what I've just been telling you and about the old Carman Spittal, the refuge. And he went, well, I've seen it. And this is a farmer. I said, you're joking? He said, no. He said, I just didn't know how serious you were. He said, and I saw it.

And we've estimated it were 1948. He said, and there's some burial mounds up on the top of Flickston Wald called Sharp Howe. It's a barrow cemetery. and I realise there's times running away with us, West, but, you know, once again, earthworks and ancient burial grounds seem to be where these things are seen. And he said, we'd know knowledge of this.

We were just young boys playing. He said, and it was a summer evening. It's 500 foot above sea level. This ice point around, apart from the old RAF base, RF Stets and Wald. He said, we're walking towards a tree growing out to the side of one of these burial mounds, and we stop in our tracks.

And it's not nice. time, but it's late evening, it's getting dark. He said, and this thing is, it's got its back to the tree and it's in a crouch position and his words are looking at something in its hands. Now, I said, well, he said it would a dog in the shape of a man. He said, but it was a dog. He said, it lifted its head and looked at us. And I said, well, then what? He said, we don't know. We turned and ran. Now, that's not the actions of a predator. What I'm saying is a predator would have pursued them, but it didn't, and he's lived there all his life since then, never seen a thing.

He'd got more stories to tell me about people seeing it. There's one road into Flickston, it's the A1039, and it put me on to other people who'd seen it. There is a book, Wes, beat a scrap book. There used to be a pub called, I think it was called The Stirrup, when we're going back a lot of years, we're probably going back to the 1950s and 60s, and they had a book in the book of werewolves, people's accounts. It still exists. I've been chasing this book now for a few years,

and I've spoke to various locals who know that the book exists. And we're not talking some kind of printed book. We're talking a book of scribbled reports. So all the ingredients are there, whereas, and you know what, the documentary starts in Flickston, and it runs through Hundbandby, and it runs to the mighty cliffs of Speeton, and we go through those sightings, then we go up to Skalby Mills,

and then we go to the entrance of the Forge Valley, and a place called Hackness, which is a short, it's a stones throw away from where the three guys had their experience in the ravine. And Hackness, incidentally, in ancient times, was called Hachanos, which means with the whiskers. All the ingredients, I don't think I'm breaking new ground here, Wes, by making Wolflands or writing about these things

because people had done this long, long before me and I'm treading in other people's footsteps and sort of reviving their stories as well and reviving what they'd perceived and what they'd seen because I think ultimately they were talking about the same things but with a different vocabulary. You know, it's almost like when you talked about the light travelling round the ship

and he thought it looked like a candle. We wouldn't say that today, would we, West? You know, we'd have another name for what we were looking at or some other term. Yeah, you're right, Paul. And that's the thing. When you really start looking at historical accounts, you kind of have to go to how people are describing it because they'll call it something else. We have a saying over in the United States.

I'm sure you guys have the same saying, The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Well, that was actually a real story. I mean, that came from, I believe, they got it from the epic of Gilgamesh, which is what 2100 BC. But the story of the boy who cried wolf is actually from about 600 BC. And it makes you, it's like, well, why do we still say that today? I mean, there was something going on there where this, they had this story to kind of tell what was going on. And it's a little bit more than a boy running into a wolf. And, you know, even the Egyptians,

they have, they call Anubis. And it's the guardian of the underworld. And when you start looking at a lot of these dogman encounters, not all of them, but historically, they seem to be around like graveyards and stuff. It's bizarre. There's so many connotations to the dead as well. Like you've just said, Guardian to the underworld and the burial mounds and the ancient earthworks and other places around the world. I'm not subscribing to the idea of like Anthropy, transformation. that's never really come into anything that I've been researching.

But when you look at other cultures around the world, you know, West Africa, Sierra Leone, you had the leopard men of Sierra Leone, who said they did some terrible heinous things to sort of make a pact, I should imagine with what they perceived as the devil, to transform into the leopard. Now I'm not saying this happened,

but the similarities to the transformation of the wolf. And back then, these stories couldn't really cross-reference each other. So in other parts of the world, hundreds of years ago, these things were happening and had been documented. And I find it fascinating. Where did this knowledge come from? Yeah, I think, you know, with eyewitness testimony, I kind of understand why there was kind of a transformation. people would talk about a, you know, a man becoming a werewolf because what are most eyewitnesses say they saw, a half man, half wolf. And it's all over the world.

And I really can't wait to check out the documentary Wolfland when you release it, Paul. I want to ask you, I know that you don't know, and I don't know. But what do you think that this werewolf dog man, this weird cryptic, what do you think it is? I think it's always been here, Wes. I think people will have gathered from this 60 minutes that we've been talking that I do believe it's physical when it's here. You know, the guys in Broxer, they said they could hear it breathing. So that kind of had some kind of physical element to the creature.

But there's all these other attributes that take it away. I mean, briefly, and I don't know what time we've got, Wes, but there's another forest very close between Brock. and between stape called Howard Dale. And there's three mountain bikers going down a logging road. It's not pitch black, but it's late evening. And suddenly they see at the side of them this thing, he sounds like a big foot.

They don't say he's got a snout. They said it looks like an upright gorilla, but huge. But the interesting thing, he said, we made a lot of the tracks up there and the trails on our mountain bikes. He said, and we're about 30 foot away in the bracken. He said, and we know that there's divvets and logs and huge boulders and little water-filled trenches. He said, but it looked like it were travelling on a sliding track. And we're going hellful leather down this logging road, jumping fire brakes.

He said, and this thing's just keeping up with us. And his head's turned looking at them. And they don't see no shoulder movement. They don't see no leg movement. it just smacks to me that these things are something else. There's something outside of the realm that we would call normal. I'm sorry I don't have a better answer was. No, I appreciate your answer, Paul.

I mean, that really would be my answer too. You know, this thing seems to be very physical. Like I said, when people run into it, it's very, very physical. They're terrified for their life. It's not a ghost they're running into. And then you'll hear it do weird physical things. things, you know, eat, kill things, poop, leaves tracks. But there's a weird side to it that makes me think there's much like you, Paul. I don't know. I really don't know what this thing is.

And I really can't wait for your documentary, Wolfland. And if people get a chance, go check out Paul's YouTube channel, Truth Proof, and I'll leave a link in there. Paul, I've really enjoyed chatting with you, man. I would love to have you back. You know, I know there's different topics you've been best. investigated, and I would love to have you come back to the show. I would love to come back, Wes. People might think I've been paid to say this, but Sasquatch Chronicles is one of the podcasts, one of the streams that I listen to all the time.

And I recommend people listen to it. I really like the way that you conduct yourself, and I like the way that you interview the guests, and I've really enjoyed it. Thank you. Well, no one thinks you're being paid for anything. I don't have commercials in my show. I don't have that sort of money to throw around. I'm just playing.

I appreciate it, Paul. And thank you for the kind words. And I'll definitely have you back to the show. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows.

Until next time, everyone.