Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:92 Lights in the forest

Episode Date: April 2, 2015

Tonight I speak with several witnesses who had encounters with Sasquatch. One of the topics tonight is lights in the forest. What are people seeing? What is being described? While I do not think the lights and bigfoot are related, it is interesting to note what people are seeing. The first witness is Mike who talks about his fish coming up missing and then seeing a creature step out of the forest to look at him.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

You know, the look it was given me. What are you reporting? See them. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir?

Yes, I'm looking right at it. Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. I want to thank everyone for tuning in tonight. If you get a chance, please visit us at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to come on the show, the show, please email me at

Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I'd love to talk with you. I'd love to have you on the air. So if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. Again, it's Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Before we get started tonight, one of the things I wanted to talk about was lights. And what do I mean by that? About a year ago, a gentleman came to me, who is, you know, very level-headed, very

sane, very rational. And he said, Wes, can I talk to you privately? I said, sure. And he said, let me ask you, out of all the witnesses you talk to, has anyone ever talked about balls of light in the forest? And I said, well, what do you mean? And he said, you know, when I was out in an area where I know Sasquatch is, I saw these balls of light. And I said, describe them to me. And he said, well, it's a little bit bigger than a softball, but smaller than a basketball. I've seen different colors. I've seen blue and I've seen yellow. And he says they just kind of appear to be intelligently controlled and they just kind of go through the forest. They don't really do anything. He said it's just a really strange phenomena I witnessed and I'm not really sure what to think

about that. So as a show went on, I've talked to many hunters. I've talked to many hikers, people who aren't really into Bigfoot that have come to me and said, hey, I saw these lights, and here's kind of what I saw. And they described the lights the same way. They described these balls of light, kind of like a plasma ball, different colors. The main color, I would say, the most I've heard so far is kind of a bluish color, a lighted ball flying through the forest. Now, while this may seem strange to most people listening, I've heard this so many times,

it's kind of hard to ignore at this point. People have brought me pictures. I have videos of these strange balls of lights flying through the forest. And one of the things that made me think of, in World War II, pilots, United States and Allied pilots were seeing these balls of lights as they flew over Germany. And they called them foo fighters. In the 1940s, as ways of American bombers were literally over. obliterating German cities, Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin. In these raids, American fighter pilots saw these balls of light coming at their planes.

They didn't know what they were. They thought there were German secret weapons at first. So they call them foo fighters. The word fin, French, is fire. And these were balls of fire coming out. So instead of their fighters, they were fool fighters. They were seen in large numbers over Germany and over Western Europe, where they were described variously as structured craft or simply balls of light.

That was so important at the time that the military began to notice it, and they began to investigate these things. There are hundreds of cases. None seemed to be very harmful to planes, but they were all over the place. Curiously, when the foo fighters appeared, Allied aircraft would sometimes experience mechanical failure. And perhaps most mystifying of all was that some pilots reported flying right through the UFOs

as if they had no mass. It was never discovered what the foo fighters were or where they came from. But the theory that they were some sort of German secret weapon was widely accepted among allied pilots at the time. And while these might be two separate things going on between the foo fighters and what people are seeing today, you know, I don't think I've heard too many references of people seeing balls of light in the sky.

What a lot of people are describing is balls of light going through the forest, actually maneuvering through the forest and being relatively small. I had a hunter one time who listens to the show. Really nice guy. I said, hey, I love the show. show. I don't know that I believe in Bigfoot, but I just want to let you know I love the show. And, oh, by the way, have you ever heard of anyone talking about balls of light? And he started describing, he was up in his tree stand, and he, right before dawn, he was in his tree stand,

and this ball of light was just kind of navigating through the forest. And he said, it was a strangest thing. It kind of lit up the trees as it went by, but he said it wasn't, he goes, and I want the audience to understand, I'm not talking about a UFO, flying through a tree. What he was describing, he said it was a little bit bigger than a softball. And it just kind of went through the forest, navigating the forest, lighting up the forest as it went. And he said it just kind of went off on its own, and it was gone. And it was the strangest thing he had seen. So I'm kind of curious on your feedback. What do you think these bowls of lights are that people are seeing? And have you seen them? I'd love to hear from you. If you shoot me an email, Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com, I'd love your input on it.

on the show we have Mike. Mike had a pretty interesting encounter when he was a kid. I want to go and welcome Mike to the show. All right. I'm good. How are you doing? I'm doing okay. I want to welcome me to the show. And Mike, can you tell us when the encounter occurred and kind of what you were doing that kind of led up to the encounter? Occurred in August of 1983. I was 11 years old. and I typically spent the summers in Audring County between Centrelia and Mexico, Missouri. And had a really idyllic childhood in the summertime. I did a lot of squirrel hunting and a lot of fishing. And my cousin and I went fishing over at my great-grandparents.

We caught some fish, and one of the fish we caught was a catfish. and for some reason we wanted to keep it alive so the best thing we could think of was to put it in my grandparents' creek which during that time was kind of a dry year for what I remember from helping my grandpa do the gardening is the creek was a series of intermittent puddles

and we put the catfish there and the next day we went to retrieve that catfish and immediately discovered that it was not there. The water was really muddied up. And there was two footprints that I noticed right by the creek, and they were big, and they were very fresh, and of course the catfish was gone. Big, barefooted, human-sized, human-shaped tracks. They weren't necessarily human size unless you were Shaquille and Neil or something like that.

Pretty big. And so being 11, what did you think? I really didn't know what to think. And I think maybe I might have had some exposure to the word Bigfoot, maybe even seen like a children's book or something like that. And so I did think that after thinking about it that, you know, first my first thought was, what's somebody doing out here with no shoes on? but they were so big that I thought maybe that, yeah, I could have been a big foot.

And so what happened next? You saw the tracks, your fish is gone. You see the tracks, and then you and your cousin, did you guys discuss it? What are these tracks? Well, you ever have that feeling like when you're walking up a flight of stairs in the dark and you feel like there's, it's kind of an irrational, feel like something's right behind you. it's kind of a I just felt like we were being watched

and it was it was it was kind of a overwhelming how to describe it really other than it was kind of an overwhelming just kind of we were scared so we ran back at my uncle was there my grandma and grandpa were both there and I told them you know what had happened what I

had seen and basically got oh you didn't see that a raccoon must have came and got it and you know I wanted them to go down and look at the footprints. Nobody would even walk down there with me to go look at them. Kind of got poo-poohed about it, you know, ridiculed a little bit.

You know, like, why would someone be out there with no shoes on and things of that nature? It was a little while later when the second part of this happened when I was sitting out on the, went out and set on the swing set. I was kind of trying to soak it all in and just kind of thinking. about what it just happened and that's when I actually saw it and you know the only thing I can the only thing that I I know for sure is that I was sitting there on the swing and looking out into the woods and I saw movement pretty much directly in front of me and there was a there was a group of really dense saplings and bushes probably at about I want to guess probably four foot off

the ground something parted the bushes and looked at me like saw its hands parted the bushes and it like poked its head out and looked at me. How far away you think it was? I'm sorry.

About 50 yards. About 50 yards. So this thing's about 50 yards from you. What did it look like? What I remember the most about it is it had reddish brown about the color of an orangutan and it

Its face was, it had a very wide mouth. It looked like it had a very wide mouth, a flat nose, grayish, its face. The eyes appeared like they were really big. It seemed like big eyes. And the best way I could have described it as a kid is it looked like halfway between an oranguttee and a person. And what did it do? So it poked out and it looked at you and you're looking at it. moved its mouth a little bit.

It was moving its mouth like it was chewing or something. It didn't speak to me or anything like that. Yeah. Did it have any sort of expressions on its face that you remember? Yeah, it looked like it was making some kind of faces, but I couldn't really. Fifty yards you can tell a lot,

but you can't tell as much as if it was, say, 20 yards or 10 yards. You know, 50 yards, I've shot a lot of deer at 50 yards, and you can tell a lot of detail to 50 yards, but, you know, I also archery hunt. There's a lot of difference between what you can see at 10 yards or 20 yards and 50 yards. Do you think your grandparents knew this thing was around and just kind of blew it off so you wouldn't be scared, or do you think they honestly had never heard anything, or do you think they just kind of looked the other way.

I don't think that they had any experience with it. They had seen it or heard of something they would have been at least forthcoming privately about it with me. No, I don't think they were honest in there, you know, in the fact that they didn't believe it because they had never seen anything like that. Yeah, I would imagine trying to wrap your head around this for the next couple of years, well, probably until now, has been kind of tough for you. Oh, yeah. Well, I've never, I've never backed down from, you know, what I saw, and I've taken a lot of crap from, you know,

my family and cousins and aunts and uncles. I'll come into a family to get together and they ask me, hey, have you seen Bigfoot lately? You know, and it's, it's been 32 years now almost since that it's kind of like one of those jokes that wasn't funny the first time and the 10th time around it's not real funny when they say, have you seen Pickfoot? You know what I mean?

Yeah, that's right. That's right. I've become somewhat militant in my tolerance of that or lack of tolerance. It's not something you can unsee. And that's another thing I talked about. There's a lot of things you wish you could

unsee, you know, but you You just can't. Have you tried to go out and look for the creatures since then? Well, since the time, it has been one of my cryptozoology and that, and specifically, has been one of my main interests that I've always kind of pursued and read stuff about. I live in a rural environment now, and there's been some weird stuff that's happened here. I have there hasn't been any class A sightings that I've had. There's, I've witnessed out here where I'm at,

signs of their passing, so to speak, possibly. So I can't say with absolute certainty, but. Yeah, do you have any vocals out there or anything like that? Yes, sir, and I wish I had, I wish I had recordings of what I've heard, heard of roar. It seemed like it was possibly, as much as a quarter mile away, but it was almost like I could still feel it in my chest. There was a time when, and it was really dumb because I wasn't thinking, I wasn't thinking

still about the possibility that they could be really dangerous, that they would be more shy and run away instead of be confrontational. But my son and one of his friends was camping out in the woods behind my house. And I live on 10 acres, and there's literally hundreds of acres of forest surrounding me. It goes for a couple miles. It goes just about up to the Missouri River, and then it's right by the Little Blue River, which is in eastern Jackson County. But they were camping out there, and he called me and said,

hey, can you bring us some food, some water? And it was probably 10 o'clock at night. And I'm like, okay, sure, I was laughing. they really went prepared camping. But there were snow on the ground, so I went and got some snow camouflage on and walked out. And I was making animal sounds while I was going out there in the dark with no light. And, you know, just to be funny and kind of scare them a little bit or something. And so I got up there and we got their fire going good, got their got their, got their,

got their water and their food there. And we're sitting there and all of a sudden a coyote comes streaking right by where they're camping at. And then like 20 seconds later, another coyote comes streaking by there. You know, real close to where their campfire is and everything.

And I'm going, what is going on? That seemed weird to me that they would come by that close and that fast. Yeah. I'm walking back. and I'm kind of thinking, you know, I'm wearing all-white camouflage, so, you know, and the back of my mind I was thinking, man, I hope one's not out here right now, which was almost like a self-pillic prophecy.

I'm on one side of this ditch. It's kind of a dry gulch. Water goes through it when it's raining. And on the other side of the ditch, there was a tree that had fell during the summertime, so it was like a, it fell. alive so all the leaves were still on it in the wintertime. It was like this dark mass in the dark. You could see on the other side about 20 yards away.

As I'm walking, approaching it, I had my lockout, you know, whatever, you know, decided they wanted to take bite out of me. I hear this growl coming from in this deadfall tree, which is, you know, if I was an ambush predator, it would be a really good place to ambush. because there's a deer trail that goes right by it. But I got this growl that was kind of like when I heard the roar. It was, I could feel it like in my chest. For whatever reason, I put the pistol away and just kept walking.

And I was like, hey, this is not for you. It's okay. I'm not trying to hurt you. I didn't know, you know. But it sure as heck didn't sound like a coyote. And they usually aren't going to stay in the ground. you know no usually they'll run most animals will run did you did you go back and get your son and say let's get out of here or did you know um they were both they were both armed and they were

both um planning on staying up pretty much all the night they had a good fire going and where they were camping at was under a ledge and it would have been very it would have been pretty difficult for something to sneak up on them. They had to come right directly to that ledge. Right. They're kind of important. And I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't thinking that someone was going to come and, and, uh, snatch them.

It could have been a bad, you know, decision on my part, but I didn't, I didn't want to go back up there and tell them, hey, we need to come in and scare them, you know. Right. Yeah. I just let them, I let them stay out there, you know, and prayed for the best, hope for the best. They were both armed and, you know, they may have had an observer that. but nothing bad came of it. I wanted to ask you, going back to your first encounter,

how long do you think you looked at the creature? It was a good minute of, you know, eyeball to eyeball eye contact. And I was, at that point, I was scared. I was, like, frozen. I didn't know. I was like, you know, I put two or two together. That's what took the fish. Did it just back away?

It just backed away and that's all I saw of it. Well, that's a pretty awesome encounter. I mean, it's something to where, you know, it makes you wonder why it popped its head out to look at you. Maybe it thought you were leaving the fish for it or, you know, who knows? I've asked myself that question a million times. I don't know if, you know, you hear a lot of stories about, you know, kids seeing them and they don't feel as threatened maybe by a kid?

Yeah, I would imagine it's kind of like, you know, if we saw a child Sasquatch, I think we'd be more apt to, there's not really the fear. But when you come across to full-grown male, also now there's the fear because you don't know what it's going to do. And I'd imagine being 11 years old,

you know, having that. experience that I can't imagine that wouldn't you know that would have to stick with you the rest of your life and I can't thank you enough for for coming on and sharing I mean I tell people I said seeing a big foot when I was 11 changed my life

it has made me think thinking about things differently and I you know I see I see the woods in a totally different life and to this day I do a lot of hunting and fishing and I hunt on my own property I've heard Knox, like I said

I've heard Knox, I've heard localizations I have smelled some weird smells out here I've got one very bad cast of a footprint that I've that I found

it's definitely not it's definitely not a museum quality but it is what it is we'll be safe out there man thanks for having me on Wes I really appreciate it This is the first time I ever really shared in this public of a setting.

And I hope I did okay. Oh, you did great. I wanted to ask you, I got to jump to the next interview. I don't mean to cut you off. But I want to ask you a quick question. Have you ever heard or seen any lights out there? Yes. I mean, like balls of light?

There's a phenomenon called that some people locally know it as the Atherton lights. There's a bottom. There's a little Blue River bottom. It's about a half a mile away from my house. We live kind of up on the ridge up on the river bluff. There's been times where I've had campfires out by the front yard where I have seen some strange lights. I have a friend of mine who has since passed, you know, passed away. He used to go run those roads at night a lot of times and he's seen him several times and they're they're like balls of light yeah yeah i i i'd like to start looking into that i mean i've had i've seen something like that out of the browns property but i'm pretty sure it was someone's headlamp but i've talked to probably 10 or 15 people in

the last two weeks who are completely sane you know and said hey um You've ever seen bowls of light out there flying around at night? And first time some guy said it to me, I said, well, I don't know about balls of light flying around. I saw a light one time. But, I mean, it could have been a headlamp. He was like, no, no, no, no. He's like, this is different. He's like, this is.

And then he starts describing it as like a plasma ball of light flying around. And when I was down there in Texas, I almost went down, Bob Garrett said there's a place. They just call it lights. Yeah. I asked Bob about it. I said, Bob, have you heard of anyone talking about these lights flying around at night? He got real quiet. He was like, yeah, and they start showing me pictures.

And then he started showing me videos that he had of them. And I was just like, holy, holy crap, what is that? Like, he has a video of like this blue, maybe a little bit smaller than a basketball, blue light. Looks like it's flying around on its own. it looks like it's like almost kind of being controlled by something flying around. And I was like, what the heck is that? And he's like, well, this is that lights place that's calling you about it. He's like, it's almost a nightly basis.

And he goes, we followed them into the woods one time. And he said that was a really bad idea because he said, we just kept going deeper and deeper and deeper. And the group separated. And then they realized that, you know, they were practically lost. But, I mean, he's got video after video after video and pictures of these lights flying around.

And, you know, I mean, it's not something. Bob's not a, Bob's about as honest as they come. But you see these videos and I was just like, what the heck is that? And he wanted to take me to the area and I wasn't sure that I really wanted to go to the area. I talked to a Native American who, he's pretty nuts and bolts on everything.

And I brought up the lights with him. He's out here in Washington State. And he got real abrupt with me. He said, what do you want to know? I said, well, I just want to know what they are. He goes, just stay away from them. And I was like, well, I go, is it a bad thing? And he goes, yeah, they're a bad thing.

Stay away from them. If you see those lights, you turn around, and you go back the way he came, don't go to him don't follow him don't follow him yeah he's like you just stay away from him

and so got me wondering you know and he's very nuts I mean for Native American a lot of times there are not really nuts and bolts on much of anything I know my friend

Apache and they'll tell you stories about stuff that's not really in reality but this guy's very very nuts and bolts and he was like stay away from him It's weird.

There is a metaphysical, there's a metaphysical reality to life. There are some things that are, you know, unexplainable, right, at least right now, by science. Oh, yeah. You know, and I'm definitely far from the camp of the flute players and going out and visiting the forest friends. You know, I'm a member of a couple of those groups just so I, I can get their posts and laugh about it because they're so freaking hilarious. Yeah. You know, they're funny.

But, you know, this Bigfoot Sasquatch phenomenon, this is a real, this is a real flesh and blood creature. And they are, falls out dangerous. And they can kill you. They can kill you real fast and get away and dispose of the body real, real fast. And you've never be heard from again. A lot of the, what I call the flute players is, you know, I think there is some people who experience weird phenomena that are, if they're experiencing like telepathy and all this other stuff, this is my own personal opinion. And it's, let's just say for a moment, all of that's legitimate. I think there's something that's going on there.

I don't think that's Bigfoot really. Yeah, it's not Bigfoot. even if they're visually seeing something that looks like a big foot, it may not be a big foot. It may be something that's mimicking a big foot. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

And that's what I've always thought. You know, I think, I mean, for the most part, I think a lot of these people are delusional in their thinking. But every once in a while you're run across someone who seems pretty sane that will tell you some weird things. And what's funny is they don't go blasting it everywhere. They're kind of like, well, hey, I've got to tell you this, but I don't want you to think I'm crazy.

And then as I'm talking, you know, it's like, I don't think that's, I believe you. I just don't think that has anything to do with Bigfoot. I think that's something darker messing with you. I just do. I could be, you know, wrong. I don't think I am. Before I got exposed to the show and before I got exposed to some of the other, you know,

researchers out, heard some stories about, I was like leaving, I would go out and I'd leave a pile. I don't really do that now because I don't want, if they are out there at certain time, I don't want them to expect that I'm going to feed them and then come looking, come knocking at my door or whatever, or pounding on the side of my house, expected to be fed. Right. You know, if that's what's really going on, if that's really the Bigfoot doing that, I don't know, man.

There's a lot we don't know. Yeah, I'd like to solve that lights thing. It's just been really bugging me the lights thing, just because I've talked to so many same people that are like, hey, have you seen these lights? And like I said, my dad was a police officer, and they chased one out. They chased some lights outside of Maryville, Missouri,

in the police cars in 1976. There was an actual police report on it. And, you know, my dad, My dad is the only one out of my family that even believed me with the Bigfoot. What did your dad say he thought the lights were? He didn't really know. He said they were in Maryville. They chased them out of Maryville in the police cars or followed them.

And they came really close to the cars, sped by really fast. He said they actually spit out other lights from them and then just took off really fast. like really fast. Yeah, that's the other thing that I've heard too from, from researchers is that the lights will break off and into other lights. And, you know, I mean, it could be a simple explanation. Like it's a living organism, you know, I mean,

I don't know, plasma or something, but yeah, it's just odd, you know, you hear it. And I'm starting to hear more and more and more about these lights. and, you know, when I start seeing videos of them and pictures of them, I don't know if I'd really call it, I guess you'd call it an orb, but it's more like a plasma ball is kind of what I saw in the videos and pictures. I'm not going to come out and say that they're linked because I don't want to be, you know, necessarily labeled in that case

any more than I already am. Yeah, no, I don't know. that they're linked. I know that it's always people out in the woods. I mean, I've heard hikers tell me that, that don't believe in Bigfoot, that told me about these lights. And they were out

just as the sun was, you know, right before it got really, really dark. They saw these lights flying around. And these aren't even Bigfoot people. They're just hikers that, you know, and I've had hunters tell me the same thing that I had one hunter who absolutely doesn't believe in

Sasquatch. You think? it's a joke. And him and I got to talking, and then he started talking about these lights he was seeing. And he saw them right before the sun was coming up. He was up in his tree stand and he was telling me about this light that was flying through the forest.

And I asked him, I said, well, how big do you think it was? And he goes, maybe a little bit bigger than a softball, but smaller than a basketball. And he goes, it was kind of a blue color. And he said, it kind of lit up the trees as it went by. And he said,

it looked like it was staring its way through the forest and then it just took off. And he goes, I don't, he goes, it wasn't a UFO or anything. It was just this weird ball of light flying around. And he said it seemed like it came out of nowhere, he was flying around. And then it took off. You know, I asked him what he thought it was. And he's like, I have no idea what it was. It's just, it was the weirdest thing you ever saw.

Well, when you asked me that, when you know about the Atherton lights, I was like, wait a minute, why is he asking me this? Because I didn't know that that was a really common thing that people were seeing. Yeah, I didn't either. And I didn't think that a lot of people were seeing them in a lot of different states. People here in Washington State tell me they've seen them down in Texas. They tell me they've seen them. Oklahoma, they tell me they see them.

Missouri, I mean, on and on and on. And it's just not Bigfoot guys that are telling me that. You know, I've had hikers. One guy enjoys a show. He doesn't really believe in Bigfoot, but he's like, hey, I want to ask you something about these lights

and ask me if I'd ever seen these lights. And I said, well, I saw a light one time out of the Browns. I don't know that I'd call it like a plasma ball or an orb. I'd say it's more like, remember me of a headlamp,

to be honest with you. He's like, no, no, no, this is something different. So he starts explaining to me what he saw. And, you know,

this guy was saying, and I was like, yeah, I have no idea. And then I had a couple of researchers tell me that. They saw these lights and were asking me if I'd ever heard anything like that. More and more witnesses come forward and say, oh, by the way, have you seen these lights? And I remember when I was right before I went to Texas, I asked Bob about it.

I said, Bob, I heard of these lights people are seeing. He goes, I'll show you when you get down here. And then he started to show me what he had on video and pictures. And I was just blown away when I saw it. I was just like, oh, my God, what in the world is that, you know, flying around? But this is a little bit off the reservation of what we're talking about, but it's been coming up in some posts in the group. Do you, what's your opinion about Melville Ketchum's study? Here, here's my, I guess, my deep down off the record concern about Bigfoot.

I hope to God these things aren't the Nephilim. I don't think they... Oh my gosh. I think it's a primate. Yeah. Because they're very animalistic. I think that... But in the same breath,

you know, I mean, what I saw, I would honestly, I would consider a giant. I mean, I honestly, well, Woody and I saw that night, I would consider a freaking giant. I mean, take a man, make them nine, ten feet tall, and about a thousand pounds.

And that's kind of what we saw. It walked a little bit weird. Its body language kind of reminded me of an ape. Just the way it moved and the way it's, you know, it's kind of longer arms. But the thing was a giant. There's no question that this thing was a freaking giant. I think there's been a lot of things, you know, like Will had brought up one time that Melba said that she was mentally raped and that she was physically raped. Well, she's never technically ever really said.

that. This is something I've learned real recently. She never really said. That's something Justin Smeha said that she said. And so she's never actually said that. She clarified that on coast to coast. She's like, I've never said that. That's ridiculous. I'm not a DNA expert. I wish I was. I was going to buy the paper and actually take it. I have a, there's a DNA guy down here at the local college. I was going to get a copy of the paper and then take it down to him. and say, can you can you dumb this down as much as possible and explain it to me? Honestly, man, I think the way it was presented, I think the way she presented it destroyed.

I think there are so many mistakes made. It kind of destroyed the credibility of the study. I know there's a couple things. I know when there is human contamination, that's really easy to take out. so anytime you have any sort of human contamination you can actually take that out it's not like well this is contaminated

we got to throw it out they can filter that stuff out that's what I thought too yeah and so I don't buy the whole well everything was human contaminated but in the same breath all 116 samples or however many they were right right but in the same breath

you know, if you take, let's say we didn't know chimps existed. Sure. And let's say no one knows anything about a chimp. And then let's say Melba Kacham came along and did a DNA, you know, ran DNA on it. You know, a chimp is like 98, 99% the same DNA makeup that we are. I almost wonder would she have the same results? Would she come back and go, hey, this is almost human? This is basically a human being out there running around.

So that's kind of where I get lost on, you know, I think a lemur, you know, like chimps, a lot of people don't know. You know, we can actually do a blood transfusion with a chimp. And as long as the blood is the same type, it'll work. Yeah, we can actually transfuse our blood into them. If they need a blood transfusion, our blood will work with them. As long as it's the same type, just same theory as with. humans, you know, it's the same theory. It has to be the same type of blood. And so I almost wonder if nobody knew anything about chimps, knew absolutely nothing. They were just this hidden forest ninja. And then all of a sudden, we start bringing DNA of chimps to, you know, to someone like Melba or a lemur, for example, which is even closer than a chimp to us. But if you brought that... Yeah, lemur is actually close.

Leamer is, out of all the primates, lemurs and us are almost identical. There's like a point, I think there's like a 0.5 percentage difference between our DNA and their DNA. And so we're so close that it makes me wonder if she ran something like that, would she come back and say, well, this is obviously a human being out there running around. These are a type of people out there running around, which someone could still argue because their DNAs are. so close. But I guess to answer your question, man, I'm just kind of on the fence. I would like to hear from someone else that looked at this who's actually, you know, has accolades could come and say, yeah, you know what, this is what we found.

And it can kind of break it down because you can hide behind a DNA study too because no one knows, you know. From what I understand, she's breaking it down. The matrilineal DNA is human, like the mother's side is human. Right. The father's side is enough. Which to me, if that is true, that does scream nephilum. Yeah, absolutely.

That totally says, dude, that's a nephilum. And that's a pretty dark subject if you dive into that, down that rabbit hole. Well, the thing about the nephalum, though, too, is that they were, if you read a lot of the ancient texts from Mesopotamia, beyond just, you go outside the Bible and just start reading some of these texts, you realize really quick, not only were these things giants,

but they were way more intelligent than we are. Their mathematics, their knowledge of the stars, their, I mean, on and on and on and on, is way above anything that we know of. And they were just generally smarter and bigger and stronger and, just more, but with the Sasquatch, it seems more animalistic.

It just seems, my own experience, seems very animalistic. If it's a de-evolution of sorts, if they've kind of, they've been driven to that wilderness and they're maybe even degraded, who knows? I mean, it's all speculation, you know, at this point. I would be more comfortable than being a giant ape, for sure. from my own spiritual perspective and everything else, I would be way more comfortable with them being a giant ape. Yeah, and I really think there are some sort of,

I still think there's some sort of primate, I really do. If it came out that these things were the Nephilim, I think I'm done with the show and we need to slaughter every single one of them we see. Yeah, absolutely. Let's kill them all. they're absolutely right absolutely right yeah and the other thing

you know some witnesses will say that you know they've seen these sayings they've seen compassion with these sayings they've seen and I don't know if any of that's true or not but compassion really wasn't in the makeup of the nephalum

there were giant monsters that were wicked and when they weren't killing people they were basically ruling the earth, you know. And so I think that if these things, yeah, inslaving them. And so I think at these things, you know, it's just not the case with these things. You know, these are more like wild, I hate to say monkeys, but like wild monkeys out there running around.

You know, like the growling you described. You know, I've heard some things growl and it's not human. I can tell you that much. It's not human, not even close. No, it's something beyond. And I do think that, you know, I do think that they're very, you know, they may be more intelligent than us in certain ways because there's so many different types of intelligence. You know, there's spatial intelligence. There's, you know, survivability intelligence.

As far as that goes, dude, they got us be hands down. They're born into it. And they don't ever leave it. So, you know, one could hide behind a tree and you'd never see them unless they move because they know exactly where they're at. Yeah, I don't think it's too hard to outsmart humans, especially if you're a wild animal. It's kind of like this Jane Goodall documentary I was watching the other day where she went to look for these chimps. And when she got there, she didn't think that chimps were actually there because she never saw them. She never heard them.

she never saw them. And she actually almost ended up leaving the island because she was like, there's no chimps here. And then one day she saw one and then realized that they were there. And it took her years and years and years and years and years to, you know, and even her situation, she was attacked by them. She had, you know, she said that they were, some of them were crazy. Some of them were vicious.

One smashed her head with a rock and then kicked her in the stomach and thought that she was dead so it walked off. She got out, started wiping the blood off. It came back with another rock and smashed her across the head again and then try to kick her off a cliff. And so, you know, they can snap just as quick as someone else

and some of them were crazy and brutal. And I think it's the case with these things. You know, someone, it's like when I had Bob Gimlin on, you know, his encounter really wasn't terrifying to the sense that it just kind of stood up You know, Patty just kind of stood up, looked at them, turned away, turned around and walked away. And so... That was when Bob got off his horse, wasn't it?

Yeah, that's right. You were going to look back? Right. He was riding across the creek, and she turned back to look at him to see what he was doing. But, you know, some people have encounters like that, and I think that, you know, you can have a different opinion of these creatures. But, you know, I think a lot of people, they, even if they don't have an aggressive encounter, Like you were saying earlier, they've got to beware a little bit because I don't think these things are anything to be messed around with. No, you could make, you know, one wrong, you know, social cue move to them would be just normal.

And they could construe that as either a threat or a challenge for dominance and be on. I had a guy tell me one time that he he came face to face and they had kind of a standoff. They were looking at each other. He was out hunting. He made the mistake of smiling at it. And he said he didn't think anything of it. He didn't think that that was,

and he said this thing went crazy the moment he did that. It started shaking brush and throwing rocks at him and growling. And in the primate world, a smile isn't a happy gesture. to another one. Usually you're about to show your teeth right then, and it's go time to fight. And so you're right.

I mean, you could just make a simple mistake and not think anything of it, and all of some things go bad really quick. Well, you can do that. That's one thing about dogs that you don't want to do either. If it's a strange dog, you don't want to smile and show your teeth.

Right. Because they, if it's the wrong dog, they'll think that that's a challenger, that you're about to bite them. But you know what I mean? I mean, not everyone, not everyone has a terrifying encounter,

and I think when they don't have a terrifying encounter, sometimes people have this misconception of, well, these are the happy forest giants, and just from encounters that people have come forward with, I mean, it's just not the case. They're not the happy forest giants. Yeah. Yeah, I really appreciate you.

Dude, the pleasure with mine, I really, I'm honored that you wanted me to be on there. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. Hey, thanks for, thanks for risen with you. It was good to talk to you, bud. Okay, man, have a good one. Hey, you too.

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