Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:926 "You Saw The Slurry Troll"

Episode Date: February 11, 2023

Tonight I will be speaking with Kenny who had an encounter when he was young. A creature came up to his window and stared at him. Kenny said "The window is 8 feet up and this thing was just standing there looking at me. Later my mother told me about things that happened on the property and told me she believed me. Kenny has a podcast called Melchizedek Chronicles. Check out his site at https://melchizedekchronicles.org/   We will also be talking with Z. Z writes "In 2003 I was just out of high school with nothing to do. I worked with my dad at a goldmine somewhat north and east of Fairbanks, Alaska. One afternoon after a particularly long shift, we were driving off the mountain and I lit a cigarette and leaned my head back to look out the window. A couple hundred yards below us was a copse of tree trunks left over from a forest fire the year before. As my eyes rested on them I saw what looked like a burned tree start walking like a man up the valley just below us. The valley is drainage for the mine and is full of a superfine mud that's left after gold is processed—we called it slurry—it's very dangerous to walk across and the area was fenced off so it was strange to see a man down there but it was late April and much of it could have still been frozen enough to walk on however he'd gotten in there. I pointed it out to my dad who had to stop and lean over me to see and he saw it just as it cleared the tree line. He said he didn't know how he got down there but we agreed he looked pretty big. We were fairly exhausted so we drove home and I forgot about it for the night. The next morning I asked a coworker if they'd caught the guy down in the drainage pond. His brother worked security so I assumed he'd have heard anything if there was anything to hear. He hadn't but he asked what I was talking about and I told him what we'd seen. He laughed and said "ohhh, you saw the Slurry Troll". He then told me that nobody calls it a Bigfoot but people had seen it up around the mine since the late 80's and there was a rumor it even attacked a guy around '95 but I never heard any corroboration. I did speak to one operator who saw it from the bottom of a tunnel but he wouldn't say much beyond that it was at least 8 feet tall because he saw it leaning over to look down at him. The miners don't like to talk about it because it risks a highly paying job so I'm not surprised I never heard much else. What we saw was a jet black silhouette that sort of resembled Shaq, the arms and legs were sort of skinny compared to the barrel body. We didn't see any sharp features beyond maybe some hair on the forearms."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What's what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six years. is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in.

Uh-uh. This is Michelle Emery. You're listening to CESquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We're going to be chatting with Kenny. And Kenny actually comes to us from Arkansas.

This particular encounter happened to him when he was very young, small boy, and he's in his room. and this creature comes up to the window at night. And, you know, he runs and tells his folks about what he had seen that night. And his dad said, oh, you had a bad dream. And later in life, Kenny's mother told him, you know, I don't think it was a dream. And she started describing weird things happening around the property at the same time that Kenny had seen this creature approach his window. I don't like Kenny go into it.

We're also going to be chatting with Z. And Zee described seeing this creature. He's working out at a gold mine out there in Alaska, and him and his father had seen this creature, and a lot of the miners in the area called it the Slurry Troll. And I'll let Zee go into that tonight. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com,

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Kenny, thank you for being here. Hey, no problem. and thank you for the invite to be on your show. I appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. And I know that you have a podcast called The Melchazadec Chronicles. And so whatever podcast player you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles on, go check out Kenny's podcast, The Melchazadec Chronicles. And I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but I'm always looking for new and interesting things to listen to.

And I want to ask you more questions about the podcast. If you would, let's talk about this whole situation when you were very young. Take me back to that moment. What were you doing and what happened? Okay. This was actually out in Oklahoma, just not very far out of Arkansas off the state line. Basically, we lived in a house out there, and it's right on a creek. And it was the creek's name Sager Creek.

So the house is built kind of on a hillside, and it has a walk-in basement. But it's not like a really tall walk-in basement. It's a basement like you could stand up if you're a full adult and bend over, you know, but you couldn't just stand all the way up. My bedroom window was basically on that side of the house where you had the highest portion of the basement. So I would say that, you know, the window was probably seven foot off the ground. And it has the bottom portion and the top portion. It had a curtain over the bottom portion.

So I'm going to say the top portion is like eight or nine feet off the ground probably. Pretty easy. Night I went in there to go to sleep like usual. And I laid down in bed. And my parents came in there and told me good night and everything and turned off the light and weird feeling and just looked over and looked up at the window and I saw this creature basically looking in this really bushy looking dark, really dark, colored, shaggy looking hair. And it was just literally just staring at me like it's practically.

And finally, that's initially what happened. Yeah, you're a pretty young kid at this point. I mean, you're talking 7, 8 years old and this thing comes up to your window. I'm curious. Did you ever chat with your parents? I mean, did you guys ever hear vocalizations out there? Or was there other weird things going on? Or was this kind of a one-time event where this thing came up to your window?

Well, of course, we didn't want to mention it. You were a child. And she said that there was a fence outside. And right after this incident had happened, that we had a lot of chickens that kept coming up being killed. She said that they had. we had a chicken house out there, a fenced-in chicken house. Basically what happened is we would lose about one chicken a night.

They would go out there to the chicken pan and there's a chicken gone. It's like a full-sized door and he finally put a lock on the door. And this happened going out of town. We'd go to Missouri to my grandmother's house. The door was ripped completely off of its hinges. They had their necks rung and they were laid. in a perfectly straight line of things that happened out there that I was oblivious to. Yeah, that is strange.

That's very strange. You know, I've heard of them, I know I'm not saying it's Sasquatch, but I think in this situation, you and I both agree. I mean, it's not behavior of a human, and it's not really behavior of like a coyote or, you know, some other predator that you might have in the area that will come for your chickens and for it to, you know, smash a window, take more chickens. break the door and then kill everything just to kill everything. I've heard of these creatures doing it.

I've heard of them doing it with chickens. I've heard of them doing it with dogs, sheep, goats, cows. They'll go on almost like throw a tantrum. And instead of taking it and eating it or doing whatever they do with it, they'll just come in and kill everything just to kill everything. A lot of reports like this where they'll end up doing this. just because they're pissed. I've never heard it.

It's interesting that that has happened to other people. Yeah, and I know that we're going back many years. I mean, you're eight years old when this happened, but I know it still bothers you to this day. If you would, can you kind of describe what you saw that day? Was there anything about its appearance beyond being eight feet tall and too tall to be standing in that window? Was there anything about its appearance that still stays with you

to this day. I mean, can you kind of describe what you saw? In the face, the skin was really light colored. It wasn't like, it was like human skin, only maybe even lighter, like really pale looking, which, and I remember the hair, it had like really shaggy outline, like really shaggy. And then it had these eyes, and of course, I think they were brown. I mean, they were dark. And it was just just staring. I mean, just completely motionless. staring. I mean, never, I never, and that's whenever I got up and, of course, ran away. Yeah, I've interviewed a lot of little kids off the air and it's pretty much how you describe it.

I mean, they'll describe a creature walking up and just doing very much like a stone face, how you describe, just sitting there looking at the kids. The kids will run off tell their parents. And by the time there's a commotion and the parents come back, it's gone. And I get where your dad's coming from because, you know, he's like, oh, he just had a bad dream and wants to go back to bed. But it kind of sounds like your mother might have known there was more going on there because she started sharing all this other stuff that was going on at the same time that you saw this thing. Yes, I do believe so because it was later on in life, like I said, that she had seen and heard things, not necessarily at that location.

but when she was growing up as a child, she had seen and heard lots of odd things where they lived up in Missouri. And so it wasn't really a surprise to her. She's like, yeah, there's, you know, there's a lot of unexplained things. Like she completely believed it. I mean, all the rest of my life through I was growing up,

you know, I covered window at night. A shade on a man occurred. If it's summer, I were night. I mean, I might have the windows open during the day in the middle of the day, but I will not go to sleep with an open window. I will not have... Yeah, that's very common with adults I've talked to,

and they'll describe this encounter when they were young of this thing coming up to their window, and it's something very common that adults will say, you know, I don't sleep, there's shades over the window, and, you know, I can think of probably the best eyewitness I ever interviewed was an eight-year-old girl, and it was this situation. and I mean, she could tell you every crinkle.

They had a farm light out there, and this thing, it was near her window. And when it came up, I mean, she could tell you every crease in this thing's face. She could tell you, I mean, this kid had way too many details. But even with her, she said, you know, I just don't want an open window. I want a blanket or something over the window, so her parents started doing that. It's a long story. But my point is, it's very common for people after. an encounter like this to go, hey, I don't want an open window anymore.

You know, and I know that you don't know, and I don't know, but after hearing this extra information from your mother at that time, what do you think the creature's intention was? I mean, do you think it was going to go take a chicken or two and decide to check out your window? It was just curious. house where the chicken pin and stuff was at. And if that was the case, it's probably milling around out there and, you know, sees a window, the top of the window with no curtain and just walks over there and looks in it. I mean, that's the one that I've seen Bigfoot. And, of course, I went to some Bigfoot conferences before, you know, which I hear some of the people's stuff. And, you know, some of it's probably true.

Some of it seems like it's so far-fetched that it couldn't be true. But years later, which is just a few years ago, I had a construction guy at my house redoing some stuff at the house, working on it. And we were talking, and he started talking about one time when he was a kid. And, of course, he's younger than I am. So he was an older kid. So this was probably 10 years after what I had seen.

So probably in the 90s, late 90s. camping, and he was telling me this story how they went camping, and they started seeing these lights out in the woods. They're playing a trick on them or something, but these lights would appear and disappear and go around. They had a 22, a little 22 pistol, and they fired some shots at these lights. Happened, a wind came up, like a whirlwind type thing, and blew out their campfire. And he said, it was right about that same time, this creature, the Bigfoot showed up. up and start breaking some trees and growling, and they got really, really scared, so they took off and started running and fell in the creek a couple times, and they said they could hear

these footsteps behind them in the creek. Finally got to the road, but its headlights shone out into the woods, and he said you saw this huge silhouette of something standing by a tree on two legs, like a big flood. You couldn't make it out, but you could see its silhouette. And I was like, wow, that's interesting. I had, I had it, you know, something happened to me when I was a kid. And I asked him, I said, well, where did this take place? And he said, well, it's over there in Oklahoma on a, it's on a creek called Seager Creek.

But it was the same creek in the same location out there in Oklahoma off Sager Creek. So I thought it was really weird because he had this weird story and just told me out of the blue. And he'd never heard my story. And it didn't come to find out. It was at Sager Creek, just right across the state line. So, you know, Sager Creek only goes so far out there. So it kind of just added some validity to what I saw when somebody else sees something out there in the same exact area years later. Yeah, it definitely helps.

You know, when you have someone from the same area going, hey, I saw something. You know, in this creek you're talking about that ran by your home that doesn't go very far. And all of this is happening around the same time. It's weird about the lights. You know, those guys shooting at the lights and then this weird wind. shows up and the creature shows up. Do the lights show up in every encounter? No. But they show up enough to where you don't almost kind of have to be foolish not to at least take notice. Like, what in the world? Why do all these people keep talking about these lights? You know, and I don't know

if they're related to it or not, but that is strange. The wind showing up is very strange. I've heard of that before from eyewitnesses, especially with Dogman encounters. It's this weird wind that comes out of nowhere. I had a guy in California. It happened to him, and it happened right before he saw this creature. And I remember asking him, do you think, was the wind normal? And he was like, no, no, no, this wind was very off. It was very strange. And I, you know, who knows what that means, but it does get reported in some accounts, and it makes you wonder what in the world's going on. I know that you're a Christian man, and that your podcast, again, for the audience, is called the McElzadec Chronicles. And you can go to Kenny Williamson.com and check out the shows there.

Or if you have a podcast player, look up the Melchazadec Chronicles. And I'll include a link for you, Kenny. And I'm curious, you know, for a listener going over there, obviously Melchazadec was a known person in the Bible. But for a new listener, checking out the Melchazadec Chronicles, what would they expect to hear? I have several topics, but it's basically biblically based. And what I'm trying to do is get into some stuff in the Bible that you won't hear at a normal church of any kind. For example, just like what we're talking about here, Bigfoot, you know, if you go to a church of any kind or ask any preacher or anything about Bigfoot, they're either going to laugh at you or say, you know, that's not important. so they don't even want to talk about it. However, I mean, there are people that see these things that are credible.

And so what I like to do is try to tie this into something biblical. I mean, if it's real and people are seeing it, I believe that the Bible is true. So there must be something in the Bible that could kind of point us that direction. But I wanted to get information out there that has to do with UFOs and Bigfoot's and just other general biblical things that a lot of people won't talk about. out and wanting to just get it out there on a platform where anybody could listen at any time. There's no obligation, of course. You can just go check it out and listen to it.

If you don't want to listen, you don't have to listen. And that's basically why I started it just to try to get that kind of information out there. It's the truth. I call the ministry truth seekers. So the whole point is just to get the truth out there, whatever it may be. Yeah, it's a very interesting take. Let me ask you, how do you correlate UFOs and Bigfoot into the Bible? I mean, how do you reconcile with these strange events and the Bible?

You know, there's like back in Genesis, Genesis 6, 4, you know, where it talks about giants in the earth. So the Bible mentions giants in the earth and, of course, different, basically where the Bible says that went into giants or Nephilim, where some of these are hybrids, hybrid-type creatures that the Bible talks all about them. They called them giants. They called them Nephlem. And I believe these sons of God, if you will, which, you know, fallen angels, and we had these giants. We had men of renown is what the Bible calls them. But I think they also probably did stuff they weren't supposed to be doing with animals. and so now we have a hybrid-type animal type thing, half-eight,

and if you follow the Bible timeline, then God's angry at this stuff, so he destroys everything with a flood. But it mentions in there, like it says in those days, and also after that, you have these creatures. So I think that some of these creatures escaped the flood. They either went up to escape it, or they went down in the earth to escape it.

And those same type creatures are still around and it's creatures that we can't explain, that we can't ever seem to find a corpse or anything. And they seem to appear and disappear, kind of like what we were saying with the lights. Sometimes you've got these Bigfoot sightings, UFO sightings either right before or right after or strange lights. And other creatures that do the same thing kind of like Bigfoot,

like they call one like the beast of Bray Road, which is, looks like kind of like a wolf and a man. And you've got this ask watch. And they all have the very similar things. So I think, I think if you go back and read some of this stuff and actually kind of compare it to what people are seeing, it's the most logical explanation. Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. And, you know, I respect where you're coming from. And you're right. You step into any church and start talking about Bigfoot.

they're going to be like, well, who's this weirdo? And what does you want? You know, that sort of thing. But the more you start digging into the past, the weirder and weirder it gets. And in the Bible, I know, like in Genesis, if you blink, you'll miss anephalum. But Enoch kind of goes more into it, the book of Enoch. And I realize it's not canon. But Jude quotes from Enoch, Apostle Paul quotes from Enoch, John quotes from Enoch.

And so it was a well-known text at that time. And there was a lot of weird things going on for sure back then. And, I mean, it seems like it's documented well. And it's kind of funny, Tony Merkel and I were from the Confessionals podcast. Tony and I are actually really good buds, good friends, and I just love him to death. I break his balls on the show all the time, but I really do love him to death. And we were just talking about this. We were on the phone.

We had like an hour-long conversation. And, you know, he's more of a biblical guy. And I'm the weirdo that goes to look up weird information from ancient Samaria, the Greeks, and different places. And I was like, man, we should do a podcast. We should have recorded this for a podcast. And I mean, maybe no one would have found it interesting. But it was a fascinating conversation for me and just to kind of bounce ideas off of him. So I respect where you're coming from.

And I think, you know, most people might turn off the moment you say the Bible. Christian church, that sort of thing. But, you know, we live in such an egotistical world, very narcissistic world where, you know, I've never learned something from someone who agreed with me 100% of the time. It's always usually people I disagree with that I learn a lot from. So I respect where you're coming from on it. And, you know, generally I ask people, what do you think Sasquatch is? But I kind of think you've answered already. I mean, you're under the assumption.

that it's most likely a hybrid? Yes, I think that's demonic in nature, honestly. I think it's some kind of a demonic manifestation. I think that's basically what the Nephlam were in the Bible was a mixture of something that, you know, and it's our demonic in nature, in the Bible, they were always evil. They're always wanting to kill you. You know, there was never any good ones.

and for some reason in the Bible God wanted to destroy them all. So I think it's something demonic manifestation, and that's why, you know, and maybe it takes on a form and it can leave footprints, and then at other times it can just up and disappear, and you never can find it, and then it just appears again, and just randomly appears to people that wants to, possibly. I don't know. That's my best guess. I have a really hard time believing that it's a flesh and blood gorilla type animal that's just walking around in the woods. And all these people out in these woods at the sim, you never can go back and find a trace of anything.

And then when you look at other people's stories, like I have looked at a few, and you pair that up with some strange lights and possibly the wind and that when you see a bear. You know, I saw some weird lights and then the wind shows up and there was a grizzly bear. No, I mean, you know, it's just a bear. So, you know, you can follow its footprints on a snowy day. You can follow it right to its den. I mean, there's no mystery, even its flesh and blood. I think it's more something either half and half or something. Yeah, and I respect your opinion, Kenny.

And you could be right. I mean, you could be 100% right. It's a weird topic. You know, if it was a gorilla or a chimpanzee or something like that in North America, we would have caught up with it by now. And the fact that no one can catch up with it. I mean, I have a lot of questions, too. You bring up the footprints disappearing and just weird things that happen in people's encounters

that don't happen like when you run into a bear, like what you said. So, I mean, it's hard for me to disagree with some of that. There is trace evidence that is left behind. What's weird is no one really sees a ghost. You know, they're seeing something very physical. It's there. You know, like what you saw in the window, it's there. I mean, it's not a ghost.

It's physically there. And the other thing, too, is you get reports of them eating, which is weird. It's like, well, if the assumption is correct that it's some weird hybrid and it's demonic, and not that I'm disagreeing with you, but what I'm saying is it would kind of explain some of the weird stuff that goes on in these encounters. You know, it's hard to find a natural explanation. And who knows, man. I mean, like I said, you definitely could be right. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share the encounter. And for the audience, definitely check out Kenny's podcast, Melchazadec Chronicles.

Kenny, thanks so much for taking the time, man. I enjoy chatting with you. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Z. Zee, thanks for being here, ma'am. Thank you for having me. Yeah, and if you would, take me back to 2003. You're up there in Alaska mining for gold. Kind of walked me into this whole situation

and how you came to learn about this slurry troll as the rest of the miners would call it. Yeah, so my now brother-in-law and stepdad worked at a gold mine in central Alaska just above Fairbanks. And when I got out of high school, I hadn't really decided what I wanted to do. I was leaning military, but I hadn't committed yet. And, yeah, I just decided to spend a little bit of time.

I started out as just a guy that picks up rubble and debris that gets away, and then I became a full-time operator up there. The mine has kind of a policy you agree to when you start working there, is if something breaks down, they sort of estimate that the mine loses about a million dollars an hour because that's about what it produces. And so when something breaks, It's not like if it's five minutes before it's your time to go home, you go home and just kind of wish the next shift good luck. Everybody stays until it's fixed.

Sometimes that could lead to some pretty long shifts. And so it just so happened. Something happened in the middle and my dad and I ended up being there for, it was, I think, totals like 36 hours with like a two-hour break somewhere in the middle there to eat and grab a little kit. But yeah, we were leaving the next day and I was exhausted. He was driving and we had this little like an 89 geostorm or a tiny little car. And I had my head lean back and I'd rolled the window down. And it was just kind of that, you know, end of the day, you're finally out the gate and you just take a big deep breath. And, you know, I just sort of was starting to doze.

And I lit a cigarette and I looked, I was just kind of looking down the valley below us. And the year before, there had been some forest fires that got right up next to the mine, and there were some leftover burned tree trunks sticking out of what we call the slurry palms. Slurry is kind of like a byproduct mud that's left over after you've gotten all the gold particulate out of, after the mining process, like a literal lake of mud at the bottom of this valley. That was essentially a drainage collection pond. It's a super fine silk. It's like a clay when it's wet.

And it was still, you know, it was late wintertime, so it was maybe soft on the top, but there were still patches of snow and ice everywhere. And as I'm looking down this valley, this is a couple of hundred yards below us. Basically, right at the instant my eyes sort of registered that that's a weird looking tree sticking out of the mud, it started walking. And it didn't look exactly like the classic Sasquod's silhouette. wet you see like on signs or whatever, but it had that definite like shape to its walk, but it honestly just looked like a really big skinny black guy, uh, like kind of like like Shaq where he's like big in the middle, but his arms and legs are so long that they sort of appear skinny. Uh, yeah, it's, I would say maybe 10 steps is all we got to see of it,

but it was enough for me to like slap my dad's arm and be like, hey, look at that. You slimmed the brake and, uh, look, he leaned forward and looked over my shoulder. He was kind of hurting my chest leaning on the way. And he's like, what the hell is that? And basically he got to see it just as it got into the tree line, just sort of loped up. And you can see little flashes of it, but not enough to even, maybe that's a butt or an arm or something.

And there weren't like trees moving. And we were too far away with the window down in the car running. It was one of those little zh kind of cars. So you couldn't really hear anything. But I don't imagine it was making much noise. But anyway, if you see something down there, I guess the policy is sort of you're supposed to report it or like call the security desk or whatever. We were just so tired.

It didn't seem like that big a deal. It wasn't like a guy with a bomb or something. So we just kept on going. We had to be back at like seven or eight the next morning. It was already getting late. I didn't get much time between the next shift. We wanted to get food and rest. So anyway, we come back the next morning and I met a friend of mine below the middle.

We shared similar duties, so he would fill me in on stuff that I needed to do yet and stuff that he had done that I didn't need to, et cetera. And we would just kind of stand there and have a cigarette and BS for a minute. Our moms were really good friends, and we had been kind of friends off and on through high school, sort of acquaintances. So I just asked him, oh, I should mention too, his brother was one of the security guards that I should have called. But I asked him, I was like, so did they end up catching that guy? down in the slurry palm yesterday. He's talking about, oh, I just thought your brother would have said. There was definitely somebody down there.

My dad, and I saw it. He's like, no, I didn't hear anything about that, but you saw a guy? I sort of described what I described. He just, he like kind of looked back like, I told a funny joke or something. He's like, oh, you saw the slurry troll. And I had no idea what to do with that. I'm just like, what? and he's like, oh yeah, yeah, man, nobody can go around here calls it, Bigfoot.

You don't use that word, but yeah, people have been seeing it basically since the mine opened off and on. Sure enough, we like kind of made it my personal mission. He knew like two or three names and I sort of worked my way through the mine, like finding excuses to go work over there, stop by their table at break. And yeah, one guy for sure, he said that back when the mine, was first being like established. I don't remember even how far back,

maybe the 80s. You know those like tunnels that you'll see in movies and stuff? It looks like the inside of a culvert around the top. Oh, yeah, yeah. There was one there. It was still there when I works there. It just had a different purpose.

It was maybe 100 yards long. It's like eight feet high with a big hatch at the end. And obviously a flat floor to it. But there's a guy named Dan. who'd been there super long time, said that he remembered working at the bottom of that shaft. And again, he never said Bigfoot. He wouldn't even acknowledge that it was a slurry troll.

He just said, yeah, I saw something. But he said that he was down at the bottom of it and had a creepy feeling, looked up over his shoulder. He said that he could see a big figure bent over looking in the door of the thing down at him. And when he, like, waved and yelled up to him, it darted away. he'd said that wasn't first time, or maybe after that he had seen him a couple more times. But it didn't occur to him that it was all that weird until he realized that the thing was bending over to look at him. And there's like a six-foot high door, and this thing is like bent over to, so obviously I had to have been higher than six feet. There was one other story.

I couldn't really get verification, but Dan mentioned this guy, he's kind of a, I know if you want to edit this out, but he was kind of a messhead. So I don't know what to believe about it. But he said that there was actually a man who was assaulted at the mine, and it was sort of, I don't know if you'd say, brushed under the rug or just like they rode him off as a crazy person. But you know how like when you have catwalks, sometimes there'll be like utility cables or pipes running above it? There's a lot of that at the mine, especially in the mill facilities.

And some of these places are pretty remote. I always thought they should make like a Resident Evil game out of it or something because they're just really creepy out of the way places. Well, anyway, this fella describes, he said that he was walking down one of these to check something and something. And he said he didn't see anything come down, but something must have been resting on, like laying on the cat, the stuff above the catwalks,

is that he was suddenly grabbed and jerked upwards and slammed into it, hard enough that it almost knocked him out. And when he fell and laying, ended on his gut, he looked up and essentially described a big hairy black man running away down the cow walks, like impossibly fast and just disappearing. But like I said, that second and story from a guy, I don't know if I would trust with a be a gun. Yeah, I hear you.

You know, when I was bouncing, I used to deal with a lot of people on drugs, and meth was definitely one of them. And, you know, meth head who's been up for a week or two, they'll say weird things. but that's kind of even an odd thing for, you know, someone who's quote-unquote a drug addict to say. I mean, it's so odd and it's so strange, you know, and with all the things going on in this area. Yeah, and it's, I mean, I've known a few addicts. That's not something they go, there's no benefit in that. It's only going to make you sound crazier.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying, though, take it with a grain of salt. The one thing I want to ask you is, you know, you guys are out. out there. And I would imagine here in the middle of nowhere, I've seen some of the gold mining shows, and it looks like they're literally on a different planet, like there's no humanity anywhere out there. So when you see a guy kind of in this bog area or what you think is a guy, I mean, you thought it was a tree at first, but it gets up and starts walking. What was it about it that made you think it wasn't a guy? I know it sounds like a dumb question because you're out there in the middle of nowhere.

And there's probably no guy walking in a bog. Well, so I was born in Seattle. I spent a lot of time in, like, there was a kid in Fort Lewis. So I knew about Bigfoot. And I'd already at that point, I had learned, you know, I was 18 or so, you know, if you bring that stuff up, you're not going to, the girls aren't going to talk to you as much.

Essentially, it was my mindset. So I, my dad, he's from Harlem and New York. his only experience with that would have been like when the $6 million man fought the Bigfoot or whatever. So he, he's why I mentioned Shaq because that's what he said. He was a big basketball fan. He's like, that looks like Shaquille O'Neal. And I don't recall seeing feet specifically, but it did have these like exaggerated limbs to it.

And so in my mind, I was like, I had already cynicaled myself out of thinking it by the next morning when I asked Chuck about it. Yeah, he called it the slurry troll, and it kind of just made my heart jump and was like, oh, crap. Yeah, it's so weird. You know, a lot of eyewitnesses will say, I thought it was a tree, and then it got up and started walking away,

much like how you described. And, you know, for your dad to go, hey, that looks like Shaquille O'Neal. I mean, he's a very large man. So I kind of understand where you're coming from. How far away was this individual? vigil as you guys were driving out of there? Oh, I'd say, so it was down like a 45 degree slope because the road off the mountains

essentially like a big spiral. There's no switchbacks or anything. So a 45 degree angle, I'd say it's like 150, maybe 200 yards, a little less. Enough that you could see, like I remember seeing like hair on the forearms and like kind of off of the calves a little bit. But it's also, it's Alaska and April, so the sun doesn't get real high, and it's in a mountain valley. So it's a little bit shaded, and there's like burned everything, and it kind of matched the color exactly. So I imagine my, and especially this is 20 years ago now, so my imagination is probably filled in some details.

So all I can confidently say is that it like, oh, and it definitely had the, like, guy wearing a hoodie from the side, it, I remember thinking about that. Like, was that clothes? Was you wearing like a weird gilly suit? But it had like a kind of point. The point part of it was something like, it was like towards the back of its head. So if its neck sort of went up and then sort of abruptly sloped downward

all the way to its head area. Because I remember thinking his face looked sort of, if you were to be, if you were to be closer, I imagine it would be somewhat flat face that would sort of blend into its chest. I don't know if I had like facial. hair or something, but you couldn't see any definition to the face at all from the chest.

It was just like a kind of line up to the slope of the head, if that makes sense. Yeah, that does make sense. You know, and if you would have seen it anywhere else, you might have just passed it off like, wow, that's a really big hunter. He's wearing some weird gilly suit. But in this situation, you guys are kind of in the middle of nowhere. I would imagine the only people you run into is

the crew. I mean, you guys are the people out there. Oh, yeah. That's, I mean, like I said, it's somewhat averse to giving specific locations because I don't think these things should be hunted down or mess with, but it is 20 years ago, and good luck in the Alaskan bush. But it's, you can look at it on a map. Going out of Fairbanks, there's a Chena Hot Springs Road there, a little town called Fox,

and then there's a road going off to the side to the northeast. And that's the road to the mine, but those are like the last two roads going north from there. Like, when that China-Haw Springs Road ends at Chena-Haw Springs, that's it. The rest of it's all plain. There's a road down there. It's kind of a big donut. But, yeah, it's about as remote as you can get and still call it somewhat near civilization in Alaska. Did you guys ever, while working on the job site, did you guys ever hear anything out there that didn't sound?

like normal wildlife or was there any other weird things that happened out there while you were there I mean not really unfortunately that the mine and the equipment everything going on there this is a you know they blast every hour on the hour

there it's a constantly shifting 24 hour operation so there's so much noise and we suspected that the reason that we even saw it in the first place is because the mine was down it wasn't as noisy as it usually was.

So maybe it was like stopping by to kind of see what was going on because it was not often that everything shut down like that. So we figure that maybe it was kind of in the area. There were a lot of moose up there. Not much else. It's not like the movies where there's a grizzly bear every 10 feet. That part of Alaska is not like the stuff you see calendars and whatnot. It's very, it's the tiger forests of these trees.

These are like 30 to 50 feet tall typically, really closely bunched together, and it's just thick. You know, there's no, the water table is really high in a lot of places there, too. It's not as inviting as the rest of Southern Alaska would have you think. Yeah, it sounds very rugged. I know Alaska is very beautiful. Can I ask you, I mean, why call it the slurry troll or why did the guys call it a troll and kind of avoid the term Bigfoot. Well, it's, so it was kind of a, at the time, you kind of, long short, if you say anything weird,

you come off as weird, your job is always in a really fickle position. You get drug tested, and even if you pass the drug test, a lot of the bosses out there didn't have time for nonsense, and there was a super high turnover rate. My brother actually got fired from there. And it just, it was best to just, I don't know, when I was. a kid, I got into some trouble and I had to work in Western South Dakota like hurting Cal for a little while and there's some really no-nonsense people out there.

And yeah, it's the same thing with the gold miners is they don't want to talk about that and they don't want to be seen talking about that because now you're suspected of being a weirdo or doing drugs or who knows what. But yeah, it was pretty aggressively stamped that you talked about it at all. I was a pretty awkward 18-year-old. I was real cocky, and so I would just kind of wait for an opportunity for one of these guys I'd heard about to cross my path,

or I'd find a way to cross his path. And I think I only messed that up maybe once or twice before I figured out. Like, no, they're serious. You don't want to be seen talking about that. Yeah, I can understand that. I've talked to a lot of loggers off the air, and they seem to have that same policy that they don't say Bigfoot or Sass They'll call it something else. I know that you served our country.

You're an Army veteran, and I want to thank you for your service. I know your sons have served, and I highly admire that. And thank you again. As a civilian, thank you for your service. The last incident I want to talk about, you were at Jubilee Lake in Oregon. And again, it's kind of a lonesome area out there. I've been there once or twice. But tell me about this incident that happened to you.

I know this is way after the Alaska incident. Yeah. So it was August. I want to say it was maybe eight years ago now. Maybe just a little less. I can't remember quite. But I had gone through a bad breakup. And I said mine was, speaking of addict,

she turned out to be a pretty bad one. And it wasn't anything I could shake her from. And eventually you got to cut loose, but it was a pretty painful breakup. up maybe my first serious one as an adult. And yeah, I took it real hard. And my buddy, he's from the area. He grew up in a town called Elgin out there in the Blue Mountains.

You know, he's like, hey, I know this lake we used to go to in the summer. Why don't we just go up there and camp for a couple of days? It's real cheap. And you can do a little fishing and do a little swimming and, you know, drink to forget and whatnot. And I thought it was a great idea. It was like a Tuesday afternoon. I was a bartender at a country club at the time. so my days off for during the week.

And he was in college, so he didn't have anything to do. And so, yeah, we just packed up and went into the mountains. And we, I think we were there one day. We hadn't really thought about it too much. We had like two bags of hot dogs and vans and ketchup and mustard. That was really all to be taken for gear. We got there kind of early. And so we just went swimming and ate some hot dogs and had some shots.

and we took an afternoon nap. I wouldn't say we were hammered or anything like that, but it just wasn't in a mentally healthy place, I guess. And we had each brought our own one-man tent, and he'd sit his up, man, I said my nap, and I'm laying in there, and it's getting to be about six or seven o'clock in the evening. The heat's finally going away. And the, oh, I should also mention the only other people at this lake,

there's a guy at the very front of the road. You know, there's like a guy in the camper that stays there throughout the summer to collect fees and make sure nobody's sending fires or whatever. There was him, and then a few spots down from us on the lake, there was a 30-year-old man with his daughter, and they were just on a little, like, father-daughter camping trip. You know, he's teaching how to fish and stuff.

We talked to them for a little while. It was cool. But they were the only ones there, and they had left that afternoon I'm not sure where they had gone, but when we'd come out that evening, they were back, so I knew they were gone for what I heard. Anyway, to get to that, I woke up from my nap because I could hear Chipmunks getting into the hot dogs. Like I said, that was the only supplies we dropped. So I was sharp to get after that and make sure they didn't get taken.

So I jumped up, put them in the cooler, and as I go back to the tent, and I'm laying there, I could hear, I guess what I realized. now are wood knocks. And it was like a thump-t-p-p-p and then like a crack. And you could just faintly hear what sounded like kids talking

or like high school students yelling at each other or something. Mind you, like I said, I'd been drinking a little bit, so I wasn't hyper focused or anything, but I remember thinking like they sound foreign and you could hear more of this cracking. And sure

enough. We heard like, I yelled to my, I not really yelled it, I was like, hey Matt, you're awake? And I could hear him over there. He's a kind of bigger guy. He liked to sleep a little harder, so I wasn't sure if he could hear anything, but he mumbled he was awake, and I asked

if he could hear it. And as I asked that, you kind of heard this like what you did with a yell kind of like you described the samurai chatter and stuff. And I didn't think a big flight.

At this time, I hadn't heard your show. I hadn't heard anything about that. I read some books, I guess. But I thought it was a Japanese man. So I was like, are there, was there other people here, man? Mad, you're like, no, man, we're alone here. And I got out and I'm just kind of sitting on the bench next to our campsite. And you could still hear it real faintly in the distance.

And then we heard it wasn't real long, but there was definitely a wump. But we could also hear Carol. in the distance, or not caribou, I'm sorry, elk. I heard a couple of bugles that afternoon. And so as we're, like, we leave the next day we were talking about it. In LaGran there, there's an eastern Oregon university of the college there. I don't know why. I just concluded there must be an unusually large number of Asian people in the area because they're attending school.

I know that's like a thing people do or it was under the impression. So I kind of wrote it off as, I don't know, Japanese people playing with baseball bats in the woods for some reason and didn't think much about it. But then I was at a Christmas party with my brother-in-law's family in Redmond and his mom was telling a story about Bigflit and she mentioned that she heard them.

She saw them outside of Redmond when she was a little girl. And she said she heard them talking. and it sounded like Japanese people and that perked up my memory and yeah, I figure that's probably what they were. Yeah, if you listen to like the Sierra sounds and you listen to Ron Moreheads,

the whole thing, it does kind of have an Asian tone to it. I guess maybe that's my American ears. I hear, you know, maybe that's why we nicknamed it, the samurai chatter, because it does kind of have that weird tone to it. And Jubilee Lake is really,

I mean, look it up on Google Earth. You really are in the middle of nowhere. I highly doubt there was a bunch of Japanese people out there banging on trees with bats and talking to one another. It's strange when you hear it, though. I'll definitely give you that. I mean, it's an odd sound to hear when they chatter. You know, I want to ask you, Z, and I appreciate sharing the encounter from Alaska and this incident in Oregon. And after you've had a chance to kind of think about it, I ask everyone, what do you think Sasquatch is?

And obviously there's no wrong answers. But what is your opinion? Well, there's the million other question. We asked the question, you know, what are they? Why don't we find domes? Why don't more people see them? And then nobody's come up with a good answer. So I thought maybe we should start asking different questions and looking down different rights.

And so I started just looking at like general anthropology, not even like primates or human. It was like how, try and zoom out and just see how everything got from A to B. Like we got our ability to tell time maybe because when we started standing up, we could see a little further down the road. And it gave us the ability to think, well, if I can see that cow way down there and it's headed towards me, that gives me time to maybe set up an ambush. and that gradually evolves into making silicon ships. Apologize, I ramble, but there's a point to this.

I think that these things are kind of what happens when humans don't follow the path presented by technology. And I would say that, sorry, I spent a long time thinking about this because I knew you to ask. And I think that maybe the first basic technology we learned to rely on, on is language. So we know they've got their samurai chatter in it. If any of this is to be believed, then maybe it's a rudimentary form of language.

But based on everything I've heard on your show, read in my books, spoken to various people about, there's, I'm getting out of myself. If we start using language, we start using tools outside of our body, you know, the hammer, the wheel. eventually you've got humans living in cities and towns. What did we give up? You know, not to go woo, but there's evidence to support that there is some sort of connection between not humans and the planet. You know, how did geese find their way where they find them mighty, certain creatures know all to take off at the same time, or to find the same mate, or to swim up the same stream.

We're only starting to understand some of these things, but they all come from a deep, connection to the earth. And so maybe back pre-ice age, post-Easeage, I don't know. You know, these the hobbits and the Denisovins and the

different, I'm not a giganticist guy personally, but that's either either here and there, but there were different proto-humans. We know this to be true. A lot of them got, they got bread out, knocked out, but whoever could stick, stuck.

and they're still here. Like I said, you try and zoom out a little bit, and we're a species, especially Western culture, but we're a species of profound arrogance. You know, I've got a unique perspective, I think, being Mexican-Swedish, because essentially my mom's side of the family, I've descended from the conquered. And on my dad's side of the family, I'm descended from the conqueror. And I've tried to be respectful of both of my lineage is there and understand the histories they're in. And so it's a practical thing, you know, especially, you know, like, think about like Native Americans and stuff.

The whites moved in and, like, you know, we know they're there. Yeah, like, I've lived on a couple of reservations in South Dakota. They're definitely there, but in their guts, do people that don't have to live like that believe in it? I mean, you have a hard time conceiving of, like, what's a day like in central, you know, Beijing or their lives? must be so incredible. We just sort of, we choose not to consider these things. And I think that these beings hidden on the edges of our civilization out in the wilderness, I think that they're like the ones that stayed away from using fire and language

and their tools, their connection to the earth or whatever, it allows them to exist and maybe do things that we don't fully. understand. There was that, again, I don't like to go woo, but there was that declassified, what was that project mind gate, not the men who stare at goats thing, but the guys that tried to study what happened when you, like, meditated. Could you really get to the astral plane, things like that? And they discovered that there is something like that. There appears to be some sort of global consciousness or something that under the right circumstances you could tap into. And the document itself, this isn't mean.

the document itself, declassified government documents suggests that invisibility can be achieved through, like, basically effectively meditating with the right and left portions of your brain in such a way that yet, I don't know, maybe you've heard of this before. But if you take that as, you know, we're already talking about this potentially crazy stuff. If you just consider that as possible along the rest of it, maybe they're proto humans that decided that it was better to stay. in the wilderness and stay connected and that when we see them like doing the predators thing, it's not that they're actually invisible, it's just that they're kind of humming in such a way that they don't

want to be seen right now. And it I've gotten to know a few homeless people in Alaska over the years and I mentioned that because homeless people in like

ultra climates like that they think differently. there's something a little bit more primordial that comes out of you. And you look at the habits that they have. It's sort of indicative of humans' like inclination to, when you're a pariah of sorts, if you're hanging on the edge of a civilization, you start to act a certain way.

And there's like a, you sneak in, you take what you can, you cover up the evidence of your having been there, and then you get back out. But you never get so far away that you're completely, gone because there's I don't know, there's just something about it that maybe it's orchards and fields or maybe it's the

noise and the interest and stuff. But yeah, I don't know, to make a short answer long, I think that they're just people that never got to the level of using external technology like we do and we're a species that's sort of inclined to

ignore them. And to kind of further indicate that, I mean, We see the evidence of these things on her. You know, it's not just Sasquatch Chronicles that you have to listen to to to hear this stuff. In South Dakota, the yard light at the farm was always called a booger light. Couldn't tell you what a booger was until I'd listen to your show, but you warn children about the boogeyman. Now, my mom talked about cuckooey.

They, like, they live in the woods, and nobody knows what it looks like, but it could be a big hairy monster that takes children. you know, the boogeyman, that we, it's sort of written into the fabric of our society that they're there. But there's this, I don't know what you'd call it, just like a general agreement that to pay attention to them and to acknowledge them is to sort of go against the, I don't know, the paradigm, I guess, where it's like, you know, we're the most advanced civilization that's ever been on the planet. We know everything there is to know. Anything that sort of shakes that. I don't think it's about spotted owls or keeping it covered up. I think it keeps itself covered up. And I think the government gets involved when there's like a little too much evidence,

but it doesn't take much effort. I mean, most people, even if they do know about it, again, it's just it's an easy thing to ignore or brush off. How many of your witnesses are even, like you say, it's always a funny walking bear. Yeah, that's probably one of the most thoughtful answers I've ever heard. And what you were talking about earlier, if the audience wants to check it out, the documentary you were talking about with the Astor projection was third-eye spies that the CIA was working on. And I did a show with Brent Thomas about that on the paranormal portal. And it's hard to walk away from that documentary and go, well, this is all BS.

I mean, there's something to that. And to your point, I was kind of thinking as you were talking, Z, and I was thinking about, you know, any hunter that's been out in the woods for a long time will agree with me on this. If you go out there for like two weeks or three weeks or whatever, your eyesight starts to get, your vision gets better, your hearing gets better, your smell gets better. And I remember when I would be out in the woods for like two or three weeks and then come back here in time. town, everything was so loud. People talked loud. TV was loud. I mean, it was so much noise. You almost kind of have to get used to it again. And the homeless thing you brought up with how

people start to act differently, you know, they, they act very different than how you and I would behave with them stealing things, but still kind of living on the outskirts of humanity. Yeah, very thoughtful, man. So you're kind of thinking it's kind of a proto-human. Yeah, and it's, again, I don't, I'm a practical guy. I tend to believe in what I can, you know, see and touch. But at the same time, like, a lot of these, I'm sure you've heard way more than I have, but there are a few stories, even going back to like, well, like Jacko the Dogface Boy where they like supposedly catch these things.

And then shortly afterwards, they die for no reason. And again, I don't like to sound like I'm too. woo, but what if there is some sort of a, maybe it's not a connection to the earth itself, but like a tribal thing, you know, like that, they say that humans learn how to blush because we wanted to show physically that we were ashamed of an action and thus acceptable back into the troop or whatever. So maybe it's just like a, it's as simple as a radio wave. We just haven't figured out how to measure the radio wave yet. And they're just, if you cut them off from it, they're so in touch with it that it's unnatural for them and they kick the bucket.

But, yeah, I could talk for days about random theories about that sort of thing. Yeah, it's kind of hard to argue with you on some of those points you brought up for sure. And like I said, it's probably one of the most thoughtful answers I've heard. It definitely made me stop and think. And Zia, I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share these encounters with us and your thoughts on Sasquatch Man. I really enjoyed chatting with you. you. Yeah, well, I appreciate to being heard. It's great to finally talk to you. And it's been great, Wes. I appreciate your time. Thanks, Z. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've

had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.