Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:933 My Grandfather's Property

Episode Date: March 4, 2023

Tracey writes "As a young person I grew up in Northern Oklahoma, My Grandfather owned property that butted up against the Cow Creek water sheds. To provide location it was about 30 minutes from Ponca, 15 Minutes from Pawnee and 15 Minutes from Red Rock. Lake McMurty was about 30 minutes away in the opposite direction from Red Rock. At one point he owned 500 Acres or basically a square mile. Over time he had sold the property off down to 125 acres or what is referred to as a Quarter. The property had 2 good Sized Ponds on it and a Natural Spring that constantly ran towards the water shed with crystal clear water. No One was allowed to hunt on his property, and no one did. He Purchased the land around 1942 or 43. He raised cattle, pigs, Quarter Horses and Welch Shetland Ponies, goats etc... virtually anything he could sell ac the Stillwater Auctions. In the Early 80's he sold off the property. My First encounter was with my brother I was 10 and he was just about to turn 12, we were fishing at a neighbors pond with my dad and sister, my brother nor I was catching anything so we went snake hunting for ring necks and Horned Toads, as we were looking at the ground my brother said to me did you see that tree fall, I heard a dirt slide and my brother said lets go look as he thought he had witnessed an erosion event of a tree falling into a small crevasse from the edge of it, He ran over to the place where it fell, about 50 feet from where we were, screamed and told me to run as we were running back towards the pond, the tree, now looking like a bigfoot was running the opposite direction.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What happened what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six. Bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a male, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in.

Uh-uh. This is Ninka from Northern Alberta, Canada, and you are listening to the best show out there, Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We're going to be chatting with Tracy, and Tracy comes to us from north central Oklahoma,

so where he grew up, and he grew up on his grandfather's farm. There were several of these creatures on this particular farm and kind of the surrounding area. And it wasn't just Tracy seeing these creatures. Other people in the family had seen them. So I asked Tracy if you'd come on and kind of share what happened to him growing up. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out, Sasquatch Chronicles.com,

you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Tracy to the show. Tracy, thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. Yeah, man. And, you know, I'm really excited to chat with you, Tracy, because, you know, this happened throughout most of your childhood. If you would, I know, again, it's in north central Oklahoma is where this took place.

Just kind of start from the very beginning. Tell me about your grandfather's problem. property and kind of walk me into what happened? So regarding my grandfather, he was a entrepreneur in the 30s. He went down to South America to work in the oil field, grew up in working with Texaco. He ended up coming back, marrying my grandmother, and moving to this little bitty town in Oklahoma in northern Oklahoma called Perry. He owned a Studebaker shop and 12 Texaco gas stations.

And he did really well for himself. He's truly what you would consider a entrepreneur. You and I talked about music. He made his way down to South America as a mandolin player on a cruise ship to get free passage to get down to the oil. oil fields in South America back then. And he picked it up as he was hitchhiking out to California to catch the boat. Anyway, he purchased 500 acres of property out in outside about six miles, eight miles outside of this small town.

And that's where my stepfather grew up. Over time, the government came in and purchased a portion of the property to make it a watershed for some of the creeks for flooding and things of that nature and created some man-made lakes at the back of my grandfather's property. and he raised cattle, horses, pigs, anything he could sell, Shetland ponies, those types of things. He was truly a man of many talents. And I met him when I was four years old, well, five years old, when my mom and my stepdad got married. And every weekend, we would go out and myself and my brother would, to hunt for snakes and rocks and arrowheads and everything you could imagine out along the creek banks

and through the woods. It was a really great way to grow up out in nature from my perspective. The first, I guess we'll jump into the incidents. That's kind of the background there. When I was about nine years old, almost nine years old, we were fishing on one of the ponds. And it's a good size pond, but, you know, nothing like a lake. I mean, you could walk around it and, you know, 10, 15 minutes, that kind of thing.

So a good size pond. And we would go out there in the summertime and fish. and my brother and I kind of got bored of fishing. My stepfather and my sister were there. And they kept fishing. And my brother and I, we were kind of rock hounds and snake hunters. You know, we'd catch ring necks. And every once in a while come across a cotton mouth, you know, around the water.

We understood dangers of the wildlife out there, which there weren't that many, really. So I thought, and at about nine years old, we were out looking for rose quartz, quartz crystals, a lot of, you know, or Indian arrowheads. That's kind of thing. So we had our eyes to the ground, looking around, flipping over rocks, that type of thing. And we heard this crash. And as we heard this crash, it was kind of a long kind of crash, like something big, was falling over and we looked up and we saw this. What we thought at the time was a tree,

an old dead tree that was the ground was crumbling underneath it and it fell into this crevasse and we thought, well, you know, rain erosion, you know, we got to see Mother Nature at work kind of thing. And so we ran over to the edge of the crevasse and it was about 20 foot, deep in that area and as we got to the edge of it we see this tree we thought fall down running off running off into the distance and you know and it obviously wasn't a tree it was as big as a tree and we went running back as fast as we could to the to the lake which was only maybe five minutes

way and told my stepdad and he said, oh, you guys are nuts, you know. So my brother and I went and sit in the back of the truck and just, you know, kept an eye out for if anything was going to sneak up on us. And that was kind of my, not kind of, that was my, my first encounter with the creature that or creatures that lived out that way. It did look kind of grayish brown, but that's about the best I can remember of it. And it's that anxiety of the situation that keeps it or kept it fresh in my memory, keeps it fresh in my memory. Yeah, and I know we're going back many years.

I've heard from so many eyewitnesses where they'll say, you know, I'm looking at this tree and then it stood up and walked off. And, you know, I know there's more that happened. Your grandfather is all that. He actually owned the property. Did you ever tell your grandfather about this particular incident? No, just my stepdad and my sister at the time. And they didn't believe us. So we just, my brother and I just let it go.

It was one of those things that stays with you. But it, you know, it comes back later as other things. things begin to happen. You say, okay, now, you know, this is starting to make sense. But so no, I didn't at that age told my dad, if that wasn't good enough, I stopped it there. The second encounter I had, I was, it was a day before my 13th birthday,

so I know I was 13 years old. And I had a friend with my, would come out to the farm with me. Charles, we spent Saturday, they got out there early Saturday morning, and we were going to go quail hunting. And, you know, there's a lot of quail out in Oklahoma. There certainly was on my grandfather's farm. And we started walking back. And the farm's laid out in a pretty nice way on the house that's right at the front on the dirt road to the left. is a 40-acre plot of land that has two ponds on it. One's more of a natural, we call it the Buffalo Hole, so it could a natural drinking spot for the cows, that kind of thing. And then early on, I guess in the 60s he had, or maybe even earlier, he had a an actual pond dug that had, you know, a dam to hold the water in, you know, a dirt pile dam. And that created kind of this ring around half of it. And then the other half was where the water from rain or wherever could

flow into it. But all of that was in that 40 acre area. And then to the right side was a beautiful freshwater spring that literally the water just poured out of the rocks and flowed all the way through the center of the property and we would go down to that creek all the time you know flipping rocks looking for snakes arrowheads and whatever we could find that look pretty you know as kids we have BB gun fights down there that kind of thing but uh it was crystal clear drink pure drinking water of a spring and next to that was what we called the 10 acres which was a 10 acre plot of tillable land he just used it for grazing on for the cows and then after that 10 acres and that 40 acres it's all just wooded areas with a kind of a tractor trail through it with a few

open spots and we went over to the 10 acres and and took that path into the woods and as we're going through we didn't see anything as we got to the back of the woods a little group of quail flew up as we got to the back of the property and I took a shot I was pretty sure I hit it and is in a little clearing maybe 20 foot wide by 40 foot that we had stepped into. They were right at the edge. And I shot and it looked like it fell into the other side, into the thicket of woods on the other side. And my friend, who was with me at the time, Charles, he kind of pulled back the limbs and he turned around to me. He said, I don't know if it's your bird, but there's something dead back here because it stinks.

And I laughed. I said, yeah, I just shot the bird. There's the way it's going to smell. And we saw that we were at the end of my grandfather's property. There's a big sense. We said, well, you know, it's getting late, getting close to lunch, getting hungry. Let's go back to the house. and we started what turned around started walking back to the house. From a walking perspective, we're probably walking 50 acres of wooded land and, you know, three acres of clearing, you know, type of thing. And we're walking in and we hear something walking behind us. And we would stop and it would stop.

And as we would start, we could hear it again. and this is really thick midsummer woods. So we keep going and at one point, you know, we'd switch off somebody, you know, looking forwards and the guy with the gun were only allowed one gun and it was a little 410 shotgun. The other guy would be kind of watching backwards with the gun, In case it was a bobcat or something like that, we had no idea. And as we got to the fence, it separated the woods from the tillable land, the grazing land. I held the gun, let my buddy across, and I gave the gun to my buddy, and I started crossing, and he goes, I see it.

I said, what do you see? And he goes, let's get out of here. And so we take off running and we get to the middle of this 10-acre field, I would say about 100 yards. And we're out of breath. We got ourselves a little bit excited. We drop down to a knee and we look back at the woods. And we see this creature walk out of the woods, you know, simply stick. step over the fence. We had to climb over it. It simply stepped over it. And there was at the

beginning of this field, there were three juniper trees. Picture giant Christmas trees. I mean, you know, these things were probably 20, 25 foot tall, real big around. But you could see it walk out and walk behind one of these juniper trees and then kind of stick its head out. and look at us. And then it walked from, and this is walked on two legs like a person, walked from one juniper tree to the next, and stopped and stuck its head out and looked at us, and then walked from there down into the creek. And we came to the realization, the only thing between us and my grandfather's house was this creek. And we weren't going to run through the woods and down to the creek and up, which would have been the shortest path.

But we went out to the road and down the road and then back in the driveway. And, you know, we were adrenaline completely flowing. And, you know, we saw what we thought was, you know, a monster. And we didn't know what to do. You know, we were crying. We were, you know, overly, you know, adrenaline was just over the roof. And we finally came to conclusion, we have to tell my grandpa because he goes out every day into these woods. And we went in and my sister was there, my grandmother was there, and my grandpa was there.

We told them, we said, hey, there's this big, hairy black thing that followed us from the back of the property all the way to the front of the property and walked down into the creek. And he just shook his head and was laughing and said, no, that's, you know, you've always, you know, got yourself scared. You know, a cow probably followed you home or something. like that. And, but my grandma had a little bit more interest and she was like, will you show it to me? And at first, we're like, no, we're not going back out there. But we let everything settle down for about an hour. And my sister and my grandma said, no, come on. My sister is four years older than me. So I was like, okay, can we take the gun? Grandpa said no. So we took some. frog gigs and we walked down a dirt road which was right next to the 10-acre field that brought us into pretty close position to where we were we first saw it physically saw it and as we were walking my sister started picking up rocks and throwing it into the Johnson grass and in Oklahoma there's a grass that grows in the summer that is that you know it can get eight nine foot tall it's just a a big prairie grass that from my perspective at that time

anything could be heightened inside of that Johnson grass but she was throwing it off to the left hand side and I said well you know she she's not disturbing anything over there. Let me look on the other, you know, I'll keep watch on the other side. And as I'm walking, I see two of these juniper tree tops. So you see two trees as you're looking at it from the road. And then you follow down to the trunk and I saw three tree trunks. Now I looked back up and there was only two tops and three trunks. And you like caught my attention. And I started looking in the third trunk wasn't a trunk. It was a leg.

And this was only about 20 to 25 foot away from us, just directly off the road on the other side of the ditch of the tractor road that went beside the 10 acres. And you could look at it and it's almost camera. because it almost looks like bark because it comes together in a in a V shape because it's matted hair is what it was. And you could see the black toenails of its foot, the foot that wasn't behind the tree. And then if you looked, you could see that it was watching you, watching us through this tree. And my grandma said she wanted to, you know, if she saw it, she wanted to walk up and talk to it. And so I went to grandma and said, hey, you know, here's this thing, you know. and I showed her the leg.

It was still just standing there watching us. It was a different color than either of the ones I'd seen before. It was more of a reddish brown color, but its hair was matted together like a collie had been playing in the mud. And when she saw it, she decided she didn't want to say anything and that she just wanted to go back to the house, which we were all in agreement with. And that was the second encounter when I was 13. Yeah, your grandparents' reaction really surprises me.

I mean, your grandmother almost like she wants to, you know, when she says, I want to go up and talk to it. And then your grandfather is so adamant that nothing's going on. And it makes me wonder why they were like that. So when you guys get back to the house, did your grandmother go up to your grandfather and say, hey, I saw it? These kids aren't lying? No, no. Alton, grandpa had already made up his mind.

And, you know, she was just like, you know, stay away from it. That's what we did. You know, grandpa was. I said an entrepreneur, but he's also a hard-ass man. His age at that time, he was 60 and, you know, maybe a little over 60. And he's working running Bobwire every day of his life. And, you know, that's what we had to do when we were out there for several hours as our payment for being able to be out there on his farm, I guess. I don't know how to put it.

But the third encounter was when I was 16 years old. And I'd never been into the woods and would not go back into the woods on the farm from that time forward. And I had a buddy, his name's Jimmy. He's still alive. We just had our 40th high school reunion. And I asked him about it. I said, do you remember what happened? when we went hunting on my grandpa's farm.

And he goes, it's something I'll never forget. And we'd gone out there. And we had spent the night. It was a Friday night. And we woke up on a Saturday morning to go dove hunting at the pond. And this is the man-made pond on the 40 acres that's in all clear pasture land. all away. And we got up at dawn, sun's rising. We walked 40 acres to get to the pond. And the idea was we're going to come up on the bank, right, the dam area of the pond, catch the dove

as they're getting their morning drink and shoot him. Jimmy had the gun. He, we both got up on the bank and yep there were dove there he stood up to shoot dove flew off he took a shot and at that point I thought we were dead the most

god awful scream came from several hundred yards within the inside of the woods. And it sounded like a freight train or a semi truck was just crunching across railroad tracks, you know, just just wood being torn and thrashed and and the scream was so loud. And it started coming towards us.

And you could hear it getting louder and you could hear the trees crunching louder. I'm melted. I couldn't move. And Jimmy said, did I shoot one of your grandpa's cows? I said, no. No, that's not what it is. Give me the gun. And he handed the gun over to me. And it's a three shot bolt action. 410, it's not going to kill anything. And certainly nothing big. So I just thought we were dead. And it probably took about 30, 45 seconds until I knew it was close enough that it could see us. I just picked the gun up, put it on my shoulder and said,

it's going to have to be right on top of me for me to make any difference whatsoever. And as soon as I put the gun up on my shoulder, it stopped. And this was like a Tyrannosaurus meets madman, you know, you can't explain it. the scariest noise I've ever heard. And the loudest screams I've ever heard. And it just stopped right at the edge of the wood. And, you know, Jimmy's like, what is it? And I said, Jimmy, it's pick foot.

And he goes, let's go see. And I'm like, no, there is no way we, you know, after all that, that we're going down there. I said, we're going to slowly walk back to the house. And that's what we did. And you could see, you know, it's dark figure moving along the edge of the woods. We're out in a pasture about 50 yards away. and it's walking down the side of the woods, until the woods stop. And then it stopped and, you know, it didn't follow us.

It didn't come out of the woods at that time. And that was the scariest time I'd ever had. And, you know, it's kind of, it'll shake you to your core just thinking about it, you know, hearing that sound and how loud it was. Do you think Jimmy accidentally shot this thing? No. Nobody, nobody hunted on that farm ever, except for me. So I think hearing a gun go off, maybe the pellets fell down on it, you know, but, you know,

A 410 doesn't shoot out with any kind of distance. And this thing was inside the woods, far enough away that, you know, even if it got hit by the pellets, it wouldn't have done anything. And we were shooting birdshot. And I think it was just the loud noise of a gun going off at that time in the morning because nobody hunted that property. I think it just scared it and, you know, startled it awake or whatever, turned it into protective mode or something of that nature. And, you know, it came looking for whatever made the noise.

And Tracy, can you kind of describe what you guys were seeing? I realize you're getting glimpses of it in the woodline and it never came out of the woodline. But what is it you guys are seeing? The glimpse that you're getting is a massive object walking on two legs just inside the tree line. You know, what we'd seen, you know, pretty much similar to what we had seen walking from the juniper trees when it came out in the open, which, you know, later, what was it the Patterson film or Kimlin, you know, with a the big foot walking through the tree, the creek. Yeah, the Patterson Gimelin film. Yeah, yeah, that one.

You know, you're looking at something that looks very much like that. And when I saw that when I was 13, I thought it was a female at the time. I don't know why. And I thought the one that we saw, you know, was watching us from behind the tree was a, was younger. you know, its legs were small, you know, appear to be smaller. And it was a different color. And it didn't have any aggression, except this one had an aggression until I think it saw us and said, oh, you know, it's these guys or this guy. And maybe it was me holding the gun directly that direction and it knew what a gun was.

but there wasn't any real aggression after it stopped right at the edge of the woods. And, you know, if it had been a bull, if it had been any other animal whatsoever that didn't have have intelligence, it would have just kept coming. This thing had intelligence and stopped. It was really, really, I felt we were going to die. That's that's kind of what I thought about it. But as I got a little bit older, when I was a senior in high school, and this is kind of my last event around it, his kid in my senior class came up to me and he was like, hey, man, I heard you saw it. And I'm like, you know, that's kind of cryptic.

What do you mean you heard? I saw it, saw what? He goes, you know, Bigfoot. And I'm like, yeah. And he goes, so did I. I said, really, tell me about it. And ends up, he said, it came up to his house. And they saw it looking in the windows and it knocked their TV antenna.

off their house. And I asked him where he lived. And he lived two miles exactly the other side of that watershed where I had been. So my grandpa's house was two miles directly behind his. And so I said, they got to be sticking around this watershed. because it's 8 through 18. You got about 10 years there. And I said, as your dad seen it as your family?

And he said, yeah, you know, we've all seen it. So we went out there and, you know, he had this path down to the watershed lakes. We looked around. We didn't see anything. But I came back and his dad was an executive. at the only large manufacturing company that's within inside this small town. And he said, yeah, there's something out there. And I said, well, let me tell you what I saw.

And I explained to him. And he said, yeah, we're seeing the same thing. He said it had never been aggressive. They had a, they rented a plot of land that they could put a pretty large trailer. house on and because he was just there for a temporary you know like a two-year period you know so i think these things lived in that watershed area because there was so much game the government managed there's no hunting and sometimes they move off of it into these other areas like my grandpa's farm like his property.

One of the things I did want to bring up because I've listened to your show for a little bit, Wes, is you've often asked if there were orbs or other things of that nature. And when I first met my grandma and got old enough to really have conversations with her, She had told me that in the mid-60s and the 70s that she and my third cousin, Gail, who stayed with them for many years, had seen UFOs, you know, what they called UFOs while they're sitting outside in the evening outside the house. And at that time between 13 and 17, I'd gone out to visit my grandmother and she had said that she had got woken up the night before by lights coming in her window. And she had this, she said there was this large oval object floating above the spring area next to their house. And, you know, she's not a lady to be scared of much of anything.

And so she said, I got out of bed and I walked outside to look at it. And she goes, I stood there for about three minutes or so. And I got this incredible scare. She goes, I just felt like I was in danger. And she goes, I've never felt that from any. anything before. So I came in and got Alton, who was my grandpa, and she said, by the time he got his pants on, got out of bed and got his pants on that the thing was gone by the time they got outside. But I talked to my grandpa and ends up he carried a shotgun

everywhere he went on his tractor on his property because he had seen similar type of orbs or UFOs or whatever you want to call him. I didn't see any of that while I was out there, but it makes me wonder if there's not an intelligent connection somewhere between some of that. Yeah, that's definitely interesting, especially since your grandfather, you know, carrying around the shotgun because he had seen it. Did your grandmother describe it?

I mean, when she was telling me about this, was it more like a UFO, or was it the ball of light that people talk about seeing on the show? I mean, is that kind of what she, does she ever describe exactly what she had seen? She described everything that flew except for airplanes as UFOs, other than, you know, birds or natural things. But she described it as a very large oval ball of light and. And now that we have plasma TVs and things of that nature, it kind of brings to me, to my mind, this kind of, she said, mixture of colors swirling around it. Not like she could see a craft itself, but this very large ball of color, multiple colors swirling around itself. and she said she'd probably seen four or five what she called UFOs.

My cousin, Gail, still alive. We just talked probably three months ago. And she can still remember seeing the UFOs when she was out there, living out there. And I don't know if they're related. I just think it's kind of odd coincidence. Is it like a what's at Bigelow's farm out there in Nevada or wherever it is? What was also what made this farm really fascinating to me as a young kid was my grandma would take us on walks through the woods, you know, and around the farm. And she took us to this Indian grave is what she called.

called it. And there's no doubt throughout Oklahoma in that area, there were Native Americans that got displaced. But she called this the Indian grave. And it was a stone oval in the ground. It was just on top lined with very large stones that were taken from the creek and area surrounding it that made an oval and it was sunken in in the middle as though somebody had dug it up and you know when you put the dirt back in it you know it always sinks lower than what you took out of it my brother and all and I always teased my grandma that we were going out to dig up the old Indian grave but but it was big I mean it was a much bigger hole than you would think you would bury a guy in.

Yeah, very strange. Sounds like there's definitely a history on that property. And, you know, and I appreciate you sharing what happened to you growing up. And I know this is your family and your history and everything. And, you know, on this property, just listening to you, Tracy, it makes me wonder if, I mean, obviously there was more than one because you were seeing different colors of these different creatures. I totally believe it was a family because when we were really young, we saw what one that looked grayish brown.

That was the one that fell in a crevasse. Then we saw the one that walked out of the woods behind the juniper tree and across. That one would remind you of. Patty, if you ever, you know, if anyone ever would. And neither of those two were aggressive. They were, I think, in my opinion, observant. And then there was the reddish-brown one that seemed to be younger. And, you know, but, you know, had the steady patience of Job watching us.

I think the one that came screaming at us was probably the alpha male or something of that nature. But I think there were definitely more than one. No question. Yeah, it could have been a family group because they all sound different as you're describing them. Did you guys ever find any tracks or anything like that on the property? So after the time we were fishing, so the very first time we had seen something, my grandpa came in and he was pissed off at me and my brother. And he said, I told you boys not to go playing in the buffalo hole. The buffalo hoe was where the cows, they'd go drink the water.

And of course, they'd crap and piss in it. And, you know, it was just a nasty place. Yeah. When I was probably 11, I had to sane it with my brother. And, you know, we probably caught a thousand or more cradads for going catfish, catfishing with. But, you know, it's just a nasty big puddle of water that you didn't want to go in. And we were like, we haven't. been there and he goes, don't you boys lie to me. I saw your footprints where you guys were sliding

around in the mud. And we're like, no, we didn't. And he didn't want to have anything to do with it. So my brother and I, you know, afterwards, we went down there to the Buffalo hole to see what he was talking about. And, you know, and you could think if somebody saw a giant footprint, you know, know, that it could be where, you know, somebody was sliding around in the mud, not just a giant footprint, but they were footprints. And on my 13th birthday, the day after I was followed with my friend Charles, my stepdad, one of his buddies and my sister and myself, all went back out to the exact same spot where we saw the one of his buddies. And my sister and myself, all went back out to the exact same spot where we saw the one. behind the tree and there was tracks and trails leading through the Johnson grass out back over into my grandpa's property or and or from it. And you think Johnson grass is six to eight foot tall and, you know, you're walking through it and it opens up and you see that it's actually smashed down. you could see the

footes. Then behind the juniper trees leading down into the creek there were tracks that led that led that way. Now my dad who stepdad who was raised on the farm

he goes, you boys were chased by something. I'm not going to say what it is but you were definitely followed. He didn't use the word chase. He said you were definitely followed. by something because everywhere you're pointing to,

there is evidence of something being there. So I had some semblance of relief that at least, you know, my stepdad, believe me. Yeah, I know you had mentioned your grandfather was kind of a hard ass, but, you know, at some point, he's got to realize something's going on out here, something's not right. I mean, what's your take on his behavior? behavior. You know, my take on his behavior is, you know, it's kind of like if you admit something,

you got to do something about it. And if you can ignore it, then, you know, until it hits you in the head, you don't have to do anything about it. He had too much going on with everything he had to take care of on that farm to worry about something that hasn't impacted him. Yeah, I understand what you mean. I mean, my grandfather and my father were a lot like that. So as you're talking, I can relate a lot to what you're saying.

What an amazing experience. I mean, scary and weird for a kid to go through this, but I've talked to many eyewitnesses in this position, and, you know, you had an opportunity to see them on several different occasions, And I ask everyone on the show, Tracy, what do you think Sasquatch is? And I'm curious on your opinion. I think that their unique species have been around for a long time. I don't think that the ones in that particular area or at that particular time were mean or aggressive, curious.

probably. I think, you know, when I was 16, we had pissed that one off. So I felt like, I don't know, that it wasn't aggressive. I think because it had so much isolation, and plenty of room. Every once in a while a young kid like me might come along and annoy it, but for the most part, it was a happy family of hominibs of some kind. So I think they're flesh and blood like us. The UFO thing from my grandma makes me sometimes questioned.

Like, you know, I heard someone on your show said they're, they're like used by alien people to, you know, and I don't get that. I think we're talking about apples and oranges between orbs and UFOs and those, that type of thing. intelligent, but, you know, and these weren't aggressive and less provoked. That's kind of my feeling, but I certainly wouldn't want to test that theory out. Yeah, and you could be right. Do you think that they're natural? I do think they're natural, personally. I think they're as natural as, you know, a bobcat.

And, you know, I've tracked bobcat through the woods and never seen one. Not in the wild. Now, seen them in a zoo, but I've never seen a bobcat in the wild. And they were all over the place there in Oklahoma. You know, they're extremely elusive. Yeah, and I think that's a fair argument. You know, it's hard enough to come on and share an encounter, but, you know, these things were on your grandfather's property.

So, you know, you're sharing your family and kind of the history of growing up on this property. And, you know, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to come on and share it. I really enjoyed chatting with you. Well, Wes, I appreciate it very much. And I can help you with it. that guitar stuff too. Well, I need all the help I can get, man. God didn't bless me with thin hands.

He gave me these big fat hands and we can chat about it afterwards. And that's it for tonight, everyone. If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is West at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.