Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:939 Salish Sasquatch - The Browns Property

Episode Date: March 25, 2023

Jonathan Brown returns to the show. I have talked about the Browns property on many shows. For newer listeners, I asked Jonathan to give us a history on his property. We will be discussing ongoing activity on the property. I will share some stories of when I was on the property and what Jonathan recalls over ten years later. I have always wanted to get his take on the night we saw the light and what sounded like a truck hitting the building we were standing next to. Check out and subscribe to his YouTube channel. He has some great audio on there. https://www.youtube.com/@salishsasquatch8373

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What happened what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six of a six years. I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in it.

Hi, this is Chris from Madison, Wisconsin, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. Jonathan Brown returns to the show, and, you know, over the last 1,000 episodes or so, I've talked about the Brown's property on several different occasions, and I asked John, if he would come on and kind of share a kind of a history lesson, you know, for newer listeners who've not heard this before, how did all this kind of start on his property? And he'll go into

that and we'll also share some experiences we had together on the property. So I really hope you guys enjoy the show tonight. And I'm excited to chat with John again. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Squatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Jonathan to the show.

John, thanks for coming on, ma'am. Thanks for having me, Wes. Yeah, I'm excited to have you on. And for newer listeners who may not know anything about the Browns property, if you would, just kind of start from the very beginning, kind of give us a history. history lesson on this property, when did all of this activity kind of start on the property? And if you would, kind of walk us into the first encounter. Okay, so we're in Grace Harbor County and I live on a reservation.

I've lived on this reservation most of my life, and it was 2011 that my wife and I had moved here to this particular property. It's been in our family for a while, but we moved here in 2011. On the reservation, I've heard people tell all kinds of stories about Sasquatch over the course of my life. And, you know, for a lot of them, I didn't have any reason to believe that they were lying about anything. And, you know, their stories sounded realistic. And one night in 2012, I was coming out to the car. I think it was about October, September, October of 2012.

And from one side of the property, I heard a whistle. And it wasn't anything like a bird whistle. It was a, you know, from something that had lips. It was a and then a responding whistle on the other side of the property. And I didn't mention when I first walked outside, there was kind of a strange scent outside. And it was similar to a skunk just like a skunk mixed with something else. But it was a foul smell. So there was that and two whistles.

And based on stories that I've heard, my brain did go to Sasquatch at that time because I was thinking that the only possibility is it's people whistling back and forth or a Sasquatch. And if there are people whistling back and forth, that seemed less believable to me because that's a stupid thing to be doing around somebody's place at night. And it was after that that my brother, Joel and I, we started sitting out by the fire at night. and, you know, things kind of unfolded from there. And I don't know which direction you want to go at this point because so many things have happened. Yeah, there has been a lot of weird things that have happened out there. And as you and I were talking prior to recording, you know, we were talking about how it gets so weird that it starts to become normal. And I want to get into some of the experiences that you've had out there.

I wanted to ask you, though, going back to... to when all of this began, has your opinion changed as far as what you think Sasquatch is? Well, when everything first started happening after I, you know, saw one in the daylight and everything, at first, initially my impression was that they were, you know, a flesh and blood creature. I've never had a very educated answer as far as, like, what I would arrive at, them being a gigantapisagous or anything like that. that or any type of pre-human other than, you know, I thought that they were somewhere kind of in between a man and, you know, an ape. Over the course of time after things were happening, there'd be, there'd be times that

there was high activity, there'd be times that there wasn't much happening at all. And the only times that I actually saw them was in 2013. And as time went by, and I don't know why that I seen them four times in 2000. and not afterwards. After that, I started, you start spending a little bit too much time in your own head, and you, you know, think of other stories of what people have said. There's, there's, you know, some old Indians who think that, you know,

Sasquatch are, you know, of the spiritual world. And there's just as many who think they're just a regular animal as well. But for a while, I did start thinking, like, man, this is just like a phantom. This is like, this is something. then this is something spiritual and there's no point of even pursuing it anymore. But that was, I think that was kind of, uh, myself just getting a little bit frustrated with, you know, not being able to see them like I had before. But I kind of got burned out and, you know, looking for Sasquatch.

And over time, after having a cooling off period, I started thinking about it and I was like, I've never had any supernatural things happen when I've, you know, been out looking for them or when they've, you know, been around my property. I've never seen one cloak. I've never seen, I've never experienced, you know, getting zapped or anything like that. And so now, as far as what I believe now, and of course I don't know, but I believe they're a flesh and blood animal. I mean, if I see them, if I see them like a cloak or, you know, do, do, you know, do, you

something with like these superpowers then you know my mind will go back to where it has been before but at this point i believe they're a natural animal much closer to human though than an ape i would say yeah i think we all kind of go through that progression of um like a phantom uh you know i don't think you're far off when uh because i felt like that at times it feels like you're chasing a ghost for the audience, would you go back to the first time that you saw them? What were you doing? And what did you end up seeing? So, just leading up to that, you know, we had, you know, heard wood knocking, rock clacking.

We had heard whoops and all kinds of vocalizations that were definitely not coyotes. And we hear coyotes around here all the time. And I've not as often, but I have heard cougars. And so these sounds were completely different. And so I was really interested in it, and I was looking up a lot of stuff on Sasquatch on the internet and, you know, watching Sasquatch documentaries and things like that. So it was just a beginner, just being a noob, I decided that we were going to start walking into the forest a little bit and leaving out a little bit of food and seeing if that could lure in any type of animal. or it's not an animal we probably were luring and all types of animals but at the time it was

trying to lure in a Sasquatch well anyhow on one particular evening this was in April of 2013 my wife and I were walking back there to put some food out and it wasn't like we were leaving it right by our house it was you know removed away so it wasn't like we were in danger of like predators you know coming onto our property

but when we were approaching the tree line, we start hearing, I don't remember the exact sequence in vocals or which vocals were actually being heard, but it was either whoops in a combination with whistles, but there was also rock clacking and or wood knocking going on at the same time. and so immediately I was I was feeling pretty nervous at that time and I just wanted to drop off that food and leave the area. But then I glance over to my left and about 100 feet away from me. And this is about this is in early April. I'm not sure what time exactly it would have been, but it would have been, you know, right around the time the sun's beginning to set, maybe just a little bit before then. so perhaps around 7 p.m. or so that we were outside. So there was a fair amount of daylight. I glance over about 100 feet away to my left.

And behind this tree, I see the Sasquatch. I see its head. It's moving back and forth. And it's, it's, it's, it looked super nervous because it was moving real quickly and fidgety. and he was crouched over and his head was peeking out on one side. His head had, it did have the conical shape to it. And another thing that I immediately noticed was like how muscular his ass was as well as,

as well as his dyes as he was crouched over. At 100 feet, you can, everybody knows how big a door frame is and a door frame is, six foot eight and crouched over at a hundred feet away it looked like being crouched over it was about six foot eight and it's moving back and forth and i'm super nervous at this time and i'm not looking at it i'm not looking at it like trying to square up with it or anything like that i'm super intimidated so i'm looking at it through the corner of my eye and i'm trying to get my wife to look at it and i'm saying sarah that i'm looking at one right now look over look over look over there and she just starts getting flustered and she she wasn't ready to look at it but she just

said that she was not going to and she starts getting frustrated with me we end up bickering because we're trying i'm super scared at this time and i'm trying to get both of us to leave right now because i don't know why it's looking at us why it wouldn't just you know leave not that i knew anything about them at the time but that whole incident right then the last that I, after he was moving back and forth around the tree, I mean, he was, he was moving like, you know, kind of like a drug addict, like somebody that's cracked out. And then, uh, the last time that I glanced over at him, he just kept getting lower and lower to the ground. And the last time that I glanced at him, he, he had to have been, like, on the ground. Like, I could still see the head, but he was so low that he was, like, laying down on the ground at that point.

and we got out of there. But there wasn't just a, I could, I saw the one, but there was, there was multiple back there because there was sounds coming from different locations at the time in the general area. Yeah, and that's what I wanted to ask you about. You know, you see the one, but you hear multiple around you. Do you think it had anything to do with the fact that this was a routine? you were bringing food out there.

I mean, what's your take on all the vocalization going on prior to seeing this saying? I personally believe after reflecting on it, you know, between now and then. I think the one, I don't think the one that I saw, I don't think I caught him slipping. I think he intentionally was trying to like divert my attention so I don't see anything else. But it seemed as if they were communicating to each other through the vocalizations and sounds that they were making. Yeah, and I remember the first time you told me this encounter, I think you and I were sending across from the fire from each other, and you were telling me about what happened, and he even took me to the area where it happened. And I know we're going back

many years, but was there any details that kind of stand out to you? Was there anything about the face if you're able to see it? Or what were some of the details that really stood out to you while you were looking at this saying. So there was enough light. You know where that forested area is. So there's a, at that time of day, there's enough light to where I could see like the,

I could see the color of its hair. Like the hair on its back was like clumped together and almost as if it was dirty. And it had a, it had like a reddish tint to it. And I didn't, I didn't notice any detail as far as like the hands or anything like that. I mean,

the way that he was, was positioned on looking from around the tree. I couldn't even see like how wide his shoulders were. But the face was, the face was dark, but it was also shaded enough to where I couldn't see any detail in the face. I couldn't see the eyes at that point. Yeah, I hear you. And that area, it is, there is a canopy of trees there. But, you know, seven o'clock on, in April, you could definitely still see a figure where he was at. Were you, I know Jonathan now would go, oh, that's, that's one of these things. But young Jonathan, when you were looking at it, did you know what it was at that time?

Yeah, and that's the thing is I believe that they were real my whole life. But when you're looking at it for the first time in your life, there's something unreal about it that you're like, am I even looking at what I think that I'm looking at? I mean, I've known that they're real my whole life, but this is the only time that they've been this real to me. It's just a lot to take in in that moment. Yeah, it's definitely different. I mean, you can believe in them all you want, but when you see one, it's completely different. How much later was it?

I know all this is happening in 2013, but how much later was it when you saw it again? Yeah, this was 2013. and then, you know, we had heard them not so much in the summertime, but this was in April when I saw it of 2013, like the first week in April. And then we had heard them a little bit after that. I think that recording that I sent you, it was either the one that's titled Loud Sasquatch Screams. I think that one was either recorded right before or right after that daylight siding. but then shortly after that it was it was kind of a

kind of a quiet span like between May and towards the end of August and I don't know that there wasn't any Sasquatch activity maybe during that time maybe they just they changed their times of passing through or whatever but it was in September when things really picked up again and one time I was at work and Sarah had told me when I got home that she had contacted Derek Randalls of the Olympic project, and then they came out, and they had initially lent us this thermal camera. It was a small monocular that it didn't have recording capability in it. And we didn't have it for very long.

I don't remember how long we had it for at that time, but Sarah and I were just listening outside one evening, and it was dark. there was this metallic banging that was going on right behind our house. And when we first heard it, we both got scared because it was close to us. And we headed towards the house. And then I muster up the courage, grab my pistol. And I'm not, I wasn't intending to shoot one or anything like that at this time. I just wanted to have my pistol for protection.

I grabbed that in a flashlight. and I walk over to where I heard the banging coming from, the metallic banging. And as soon as I flashed my light, the only thing, it was just a fraction of a second, but these bright eyes just stood out to me. And it was so, it wasn't just eyes that I saw, but that was the only thing that stood out to me because it was so fast. And the only thing, the only thing that I wanted to do at that point was just retreat and head back. and so I did

and we're standing on the on the back porch and Sarah grabs that monocular and she's looking at it and she's like I can see him right now and he's like swaying back and forth she had a

she had a Samsung Galaxy phone at the time and so she put that up to the monocular and took a snapshot of, you know, what it was that she was looking at. And it was behind a bush at this point, but you could still, in the snapshot, in the photo that she took, you could still see it from like the shoulder and head on up,

but she could see it like moving back and forth. And after that, David Ellis of the Olympic project came out with his story poll that he has that has all these different measurements on it. And he stood in the same place. believe it, the creature that she had photographed was six foot five at that time. So it was shortly after that, that they got us a different thermal device that had, you know, internal recording capability. And it was just, it was just more advanced than that old monocular that they had initially lent us. That first thermal siting was in

October, or I mean, I'm sorry, September. And then it was that, end of October that we had the other device. And I don't know how long we had had that one for either, but my brother, Joel and I, we weren't that, we weren't that familiar with a device. I mean, the only time that we would ever use it is if we heard something, we just kind of scan around. At the end of October, it was October 30th of 2013. There was a rancher that was leasing the field behind us. and on that day he was loading up a bunch of cattle and the herd ended up being behind us and they were making all kinds of noise after the other cattle had left like they were

it kind of sounded like they were crying and like bellowing and stuff like that you know the sounds that cows make when they're under distress but they were making a lot of noise at that time and Ben and I were just my brother Joel and I he also goes by Ben we were sitting outside and then all of a sudden we heard some tapping on a tree and so I got out the I got out the thermal device and at first I'm seeing I'm seeing the heads and I'm you know trying to trying to you know get a good viewpoint to you know see what it is that I'm looking at and at first what I'm seeing is there's a head that's on like low to the ground.

And then I'm looking at the device trying to figure out how to get it to record. And then by the time I pull it back up, it's in a different position. And I'm looking at it from the, you know, it's on the edge of the berm where it drops off into that field. So you could see it from its chest up. And then the head and shoulders. And then that was the point where, you know, we knew what it was that we were looking at. But I thought that I was recording, but what I was doing was taking snapshots. And so I handed the device over to my brother, and he got it recording, and then it went from there.

Also, at that point, the reason that the video stops at two minutes and 30 seconds, the device had some type of auto shutdown feature on it. And so after it had shut down and we tried getting it to record again, it was not in the, it had left the area at that point. And that was just, you know, minutes after it initially shut down. Yeah, I remember that from that thermal. They used to drive me nuts. I think it shut down because it got hot. It was kind of one of the newer thermals out at that time.

And I think it would, if my memory is right, it would shut down because it would get hot over time. It was a huge pain. It was cool to look through. And I'm glad you brought that up. You know, when you were, I've been asked probably a million times about that thermal image that you captured. And people ask me if it's real. And I'm like, I know exactly where he took that at. And underneath this episode, I'll post from your YouTube video.

But I used to tell people where he shot that, it drops off right there. I'm 6'1. If I took my shirt off and you did a thermal image of me coming up that little ridge, I'd probably look like a little boy. And I remember the first time I saw it, I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe how big that thing is. I never, I don't think we've ever talked about a comparison. How big in reality do you think that thing was that you guys captured that night?

I mean, it's hard saying as far as, as far as how tall it was. We cast a track where it was, where it was standing in that location. and the track was it measured 14 and a half inches, but the thing is the foot was flexed. You know, our foot can't turn like that cast had turned. And so, like, if the foot was like straightened out, it probably would have been closer to like 15 and a half, 16 inches. It seems like the shoulder width on it,

that was one thing that, you know, we could figure a size on. And as we had somebody stand in as a comparison, it was, I think, around four and a half, four and a half feet wide. There was one night you and Woody, my brother Woody and I were out there. And you had an AR-15. I think you had another rifle. I don't remember what it was. But Woody quickly grabbed the rifle. and I got handed the thermal and I thought, okay, well, I'm glad we're crystal clear.

If things go sideways, I'm unarmed. I really didn't want the thermal, but we got up on this tree stand. It's not really a tree stand. It's like a platform. Is that thing still there? No, that's not there anymore, but I know what you're talking about, that platform that we had built back there. Yeah, and so we go out there. It's me, Jonathan, and Wood.

and we're on this like wood platform. And I guess for the audience, imagine like a little bit better than a piece of plywood. It's like a deck basically high up in the trees. And we're all just kind of BSing. It's late at night. And I'm scanning with the thermal and I stop because far away from us, it looks like there's a man out in the field. And where Jonathan was talking about earlier with the cows and stuff, I don't think the cows were there that night. They were there on several other occasions that was there.

But this particular night, I don't think that they were there. And I remember I handed you the thermal. I handed Woody the thermal. And we're all watching it. And it's, you know, on a thermal, you're just picking up a heat signature. So it's a big blob. This looked like a huge big blob of a man walking through the field. And he's probably two football fields away from us.

So we all get down out of this stand and we start walking. I still can't believe it. We start walking towards the saying, and I'm telling you and Woody, hey, if things go sideways, guys, remember, I'm not armed. And I'm walking with the thermal. And in this field, it's not flat.

So it kind of has these divots, kind of like ditches. It's rolling. And you could get down in one of these ditches and hide. And if, you know, some monkey was scanning with the thermal, he'd probably never see you. But as we're walking towards this thing,

and it was walking away from us, at a distance, something screamed to our left. And I remember all of us stopped and we all looked to our left and there's nothing there. And then we all look back and whatever we were following is now gone. I'm not saying it disappeared. I mean, it was farther ahead of us and we were. But it was just gone. And, you know, I mean, there's so many things that happened on that property.

Do you remember the night we sell the lights on your property? Yeah. If you would for the audience, tell me about that night. What do you recall from that night? Again, we're going back, gosh, almost 10 years ago. I don't really remember a whole lot happening before that. There might have been, you know, some suspect sounds that we had heard before. But from what I recall, it seems like we went there about 1.30 or 2 o'clock in the morning,

and we walked across this field. And it was raining at the time. It seems like we were just kind of going for a Hail Mary to see if anything was going to happen. And there's myself, Kirk, Hugh, Woody, and Shannon LaGro was with us. We get into that barn on the other side of the field. And on the south side of the barn, it's open where there was just some barbed wire on the wall. I mean, everything was open except for the barbed wire. barbed wire on that on that side.

And I don't, I think Kirk was actually the first one to notice the light coming towards us. And he was like, hey, there's a light coming towards us. And he has, he's the one with a thermal camera. I see the light. You guys see the light and we all kind of are looking in that direction. And I, I can't speak for you. But at that time, I was thinking, is there, I, I,

I mean, I was trying to wrap my head around why there'd be some, you know, a hobo walking around in pouring down rain with a light on. But at the same time, I don't, I don't necessarily remember that light, like, illuminating anything around it. It seemed like it was just a light. It was coming towards us, and then it just goes to the ground. As that happened, Kirk was saying, yeah, the only problem that I have with it is I don't see anything on thermal. and so that was a that was a little disturbing because if that was a like a live creature it should have been visible through his thermal camera because as we had been there the next day there wasn't enough it didn't seem as if there was enough underbrush for somebody to evade a thermal camera at that point but so that happens we don't really know what to make of it we're getting ready to. exit the barn and to go see that. And then there's this loud bang on the side of the barn as we're leaving.

I mean, do you remember, do you remember any, am I missing any details here? Yeah, you're pretty spot on with the way I remember it. And I think you're right. So there's a guy in the group, Kirk. He was the first one that saw it. And, you know, we'd been walking around. I forgot about the whole it raining all night until you brought that up. But we'd walked into this barn.

It's kind of an open barn. And I remember Kirk saying, hey, there's someone's coming towards a barn. And I walked over there and kind of looked out this, I think it was like a window, like an open window. And we were looking at this light coming towards us. And it reminded me of, I really didn't think anything weird about it because it reminded me of someone walking with a flashlight. It was like a little orange light like you'd see, you know, like in a flashlight from the 80s or something. like that. And it was bobbing like someone was walking with the flashlight. And I thought, oh, God, we woke up one of your neighbors because I didn't know the property that well at that time,

but now knowing where we're at, there's no neighbors around there at all. But anyway, we see this light coming towards us. And it is, you know, we're sitting here watching it for a couple of minutes. And I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to go put out the charm and apologize to them if we were loud or if we woke someone up. And as we're watching this light, all of a sudden it dropped down. It like dove down, almost like a person with a flashlight would dive down into the bushes.

And we didn't see the light anymore. And I was like, okay, that's weird. And I do remember Kirk saying something about like he couldn't pick up anything. There was no heat coming off of, there's no one walking with a flashlight. He wasn't picking up anything except for this light coming towards us. You and I actually walked out there. This is how I recall it.

You and I walked out there. We walked over to where it dropped down because, again, it wasn't that far from the barn. And we were shining our flashlights up there. And it was like six or seven feet of sticker bushes. No one was walking up there. There's nowhere to walk. It's all overgrown sticker bushes right there. And when we saw the light, I don't recall hearing any noise.

There was no one walking. It was silent. But seeing the sticker bushes made me realize no one's up here with the flashlight. And I remember we walked over to this building. It's kind of a metal building on the property for the audience. And everyone's pretty close by, but you and I were standing by the building. And I said, what the hell, you know, what was that? I mean, both of our eyes were as big as saucers.

And right then and there, something collided. with that metal building. I would like to say a rock was thrown, but I didn't hear a rock. And this sounded like a car hitting the side of this metal building. And I remember almost like jumping out of my skin. And I was like, what the hell was that? And we walk around and there was nothing there.

It was weird. Yeah, that was just kind of an odd night. And I remember, you know, on our way back, all of us were thinking like, man, what just happened? you know. Yeah, it got real, real quick that night. And I've often wondered about what happened that night. And I want to come back and ask you about it.

So in 2013, I think we've talked about two times that you've seen them. Tell me about the next time you saw the creatures or creature. So there was the first time that I saw him in that daylight, there was the time that I flashed my, uh, my light in it in its eyes and then you know Sarah saw it you know through that thermal but I saw its eyes and it was verified through the thermal that she was looking at that I was actually looking at it so I technically count that time as well and the thermal that my brother and I had recorded where we're looking at it from the chest up that's the third time and then the fourth time me and my brother

other were out back and we were just sitting around the fire. And across the road, we hear some rock clacking. And so immediately we wrap around to the side of our house. We've got, you know, really bright lights with us. And as soon as we come towards the front of the property, looking across these bright eyes just stand out. I mean, they weren't like making their own lightly. It was a reflective. And our lights were, you know, white LED lights that were, you know, super, super bright.

But I can't recall what it was mixed with. It was either like it was mixed with like a yellowish tint or a greenish tint, but it wasn't just white. It was one of the two. I just can't. Being so long ago, I don't remember exactly what color, but it was slightly another color as well. It kind of reminded me of, I mean, I wasn't. I wasn't thinking about this in that exact moment, but when I had shine my light in its eyes when Sarah was looking at it through the thermal, it stayed there for a minute and it was swaying back and forth. I personally think it was blinded at that point and it kind of lost its night vision, so it wasn't able to really navigate, you know, through the woods without being able to see anything.

And I think the second time when my brother and I shined our light in its eyes across the road, I think the reason that we had a little bit of a standoff, with it right there is because I think something similar happened where it was just stunned. Like it couldn't see anything because our lights were super bright. But then I dipped down and, you know, it was out of there. Yeah, I appreciate sharing it. And that when you say across the road, that really is across the road from your home. And I would say over the last 10 years or so, I've probably taken a half a dozen reports of people seeing it cross the road very close to your home. I mean, I never tell people, oh, that's right next to the Brown's property.

But I'm like, what road were you on? And then I go to Google Maps. And I'm like, holy crap, that's right there right next to your guys' home. You know, as far as tree structures, I remember the first time I saw a tree structure, it was actually at your property when I saw it in person anyway. And I remember Sarah showed us one. Woody and I were looking at it. She wanted to show us, you know, this tree structure.

And at the time, I was like, okay, here we go. Because I didn't really buy into the fact that they did tree structures. But when she showed us this, it changed my whole opinion because I remember we were looking at it. And it was like three trees all wrapped up into each other, not something natural. And I remember Woody and I kind of looking at each other and not even really having to say a word to each other thinking, okay, this is weird. like what's going on here. But as we walked around this thing, I was sitting there thinking, like, why would something do this? This isn't natural.

There's no way a person did this because it would take 10 of me to do it. And even then, I don't know if 10 of me could do it, you know, wrap these branches and these trees around each other. And it wasn't until I got inside of it. I realized, oh, I can see your home. I mean, I can stand there and I could watch your whole home. everything going on and you wouldn't even know I was there. And I remember I got kind of creeped out by it, but around your property, there were several tree structures.

I remember even one that you showed us and it was like a teepee with things laying on it. And I mean, it was either manmade which knowing the property I have a hard time buying into or it was natural. And there's no way in the world it was natural. but there was a ton of tree structures. I remember that you showed me, and that really changed my opinion on maybe these things do make these tree structures. I do remember seeing these sticks that were leaned up against this branch,

and they were, I don't know, six feet up or so, five feet up, six feet up, but they were intentionally placed there vertically, and it did appear to be like a blind. of sorts. But it wouldn't make sense for, I'm not throwing out the possibility of a kid doing something like that from, you know, half mile away or whatever.

I just don't think that's, I don't think that's very likely. But it definitely couldn't be like a hunter blind because the way that it was facing was like towards our property and anybody that's a hunter never takes a shot towards houses. And it was very close to, you know,

very close to our property within 150, 200 yards. So for it to be a hunter's blind, that didn't make any sense to me. But those, yes, those sticks that you're referring to, that blind, I do remember that. And that was one of the stranger things that I've seen. I've heard people say things like,

well, I just don't know that I believe Zasquatchers make stick structures. And my whole thought process behind that is, well, it doesn't require two. much intelligence to make any type of structure with sticks. Does it mean that we know what it symbolizes or what their purpose of it is? Absolutely not, but they have hands, they're powerful, they're intelligent. I think it's cutting them a little bit short to think that they're not capable of making some type of primitive structure or symbol or something like that.

Not that we know what it means. Yeah, I like the fact that, you know, you don't throw anything out. It could have been kids. It could have been a person. But from an outsider looking in, man, and being all over your property, you're gracious enough to walk me around the property. And I don't know, man, I have a hard time buying into the fact that a human did that, you know, that they made this thing. What fascinated me about the structures on your property and I never really gave it much thought until seeing it firsthand is, is I was starting to get the impression they were getting closer and closer to the house.

And maybe they were using these structures as a way to where you wouldn't see them. Because nothing else really made sense. You wouldn't like hang out overnight. It's not a shelter. And like you were saying, John, I mean, I don't know that you'd use that for a hunter's blind. But I remember kind of getting this feeling like they're getting closer and closer to this home. and I remember Sarah, this was later on, Sarah had shown me this picture. And when she showed me the picture, and I'll post it underneath this episode,

I was floored when I saw it. I was like, holy crap, because I know exactly where she took that picture at. And those bushes, for the audience, let me explain the picture. It looks like something from about the mouth up. It's like a head popping up over the bushes looking at whoever took the picture. picture. And when I stood behind those bushes, I'm six foot one. You couldn't, I couldn't get my, it was too tall. I couldn't get my head above the bushes for you to even take a picture of me. And I was floored by it. Do you recall the picture I'm talking about?

Yeah, I do remember it. And you were there around that time, I believe. You remember how that happened was I'm not I'm not sure if it was just Shannon that was here that night or if you were there the night before when there was a tree that was down over in that corner Sarah and Shannon saw something on thermal over by that tree and the next day they were out but they couldn't make out what it was so they were you know trying to they were trying to do some type of recreation to you know in the daylight to see where it was that they what they're were looking at through thermal trying to get some type of size comparison. And it wasn't until, I want to say, so her and Shannon were taking pictures, you know, with both of themselves, like, in that location to try to gauge some type of height for what it was that they were looking at. And it wasn't, it was at least months, if not closer to a year later that Sarah was wiping some SD cards off the computer, and she saw that picture.

And because at the time, she had no idea that, you know, anything was in that picture. And when she first called me and told me about it, I was at work, my first thought was, okay, this is a blob squash of something where you're just looking at trees and, oh, there's eyes, there's a nose, there's this and that. but the more that I looked at that picture, immediately I couldn't see it being anything else. I mean, you're not looking at something that's in front of the camera

that's close because you can see the leaves that are in front of its face. And that area is too high for that location was too high for you to be looking at a deer or an elk's ass or anything like that. So I'm pretty sure that was a Sasquatch in that picture. Yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. Shannon and your wife actually set up chairs when they were doing the recreation and they were standing on chairs.

And I don't think either one of them reached above that, that brush that this thing was had its head popped up. I know even without a chair, I couldn't see above it. And I think you're right. I think that was a Sasquatch. And just because I know the properties, you know, so well and I know exactly where she took it. and it's not there. I mean, you could snap a picture today and that thing's not there in the picture. One of the things that fascinated me the most about your property was all of the vocalizations. I mean, that's what really shocked me when I first came on the property.

I couldn't believe how many different vocalizations I was hearing. And I know you guys have hours and hours and hours of these things, you know, recordings of these things. was there any vocalization either recorded or you heard in person that really shocked you? So there's classic sounds that you hear like the whoop and wood knocks and things like that. But the whoops was more of a common thing to hear. That one clip that I sent you that was the loud Sasquatch screams, that one we had heard in person because it was it was a real. around that time that I had that daylight sighting, whether it was before or after, I don't know, but I know on that clip I have whatever date that it was.

That was recorded with Sarah's phone in the talking that you hear. That's my brother saying, yeah, I think they're down over in that area of the field. He says something to that effect, but I mean, you could hear something very powerful. And when you're in person, that sound, you could almost, you could feel it like in your body. It was so loud. And it wasn't like it was super close to us. It was coming from three or four hundred yards away. There's also another one.

And this was in 2013. I was walking outside. And I was just going to go outside and sit by the fire. And then I hear, you know, where our gazebo is at, where we have the fire pit. When I was getting ready to walk out there, it was cold. I don't remember what month it was, possibly October, November, but it was dark outside. And immediately as I was coming outside, I hear this feminine singing, and it sounded like little girls singing in the woods. And immediately I knew that there's nobody that's allowing their kids to play in the woods, especially on our property.

and the thought of it being little girls in the woods, honestly, that scared the shit out of me more than anything else because that's just creepy. On that particular clip, I've never heard a Sasquatch recording that sounds similar to that one, but I don't know what other type of animal that could be. I mean, I think that's Sasquatch or Little Girls sing in the forest. I mean, it's one of the two.

I don't think that there's anything in between that it could be. That's another one that I've heard in person. There's plenty of other audio recordings that I have heard in person, but those are a couple that really stand out to me. And the one about the, that sounded like little girls singing, personally find that one more interesting just because I haven't heard vocalizations like that before. That is interesting. that you heard the singing, you know, a lot of eyewitnesses will report this sing-song that they hear in the

woods, and that is fascinating that you thought it was little kids out there seeing. And you also hear eyewitnesses talk about, you know, hearing children playing or, you know, that sort of thing in the woods. And, you know, it's kind of creepy. You wouldn't think hearing a child singing or playing in the woods would be creepy, but it seems to be creepy. The audio clip that is the audio clip that is. they sent me loud Sasquatch screams. This is available on your YouTube channel, Sahelish Sasquatch, and I'll include a link, but let's take a listen to this. Loud Sasquatch screams. It kind of has a little bit of the Ohio Howl in there, and pretty impressive, really, if Sarah captured that with her phone. I mean, that thing was really loud.

and again, if people want to go and check out, you know, the different sounds and some of the recordings, go to Sahelish Sasquatch. It's S-A-L-I-S-H-Squatch on YouTube. Subscribe and check out Jonathan's content. I wanted to ask you, John, did you guys ever see the lights again on your property? Not like that. there was a time when I was sitting outside

and I saw this I saw this red light and going through the woods and it was about what you would think that somebody walking would be eye level with them I only saw one light

and it was red I don't remember it illuminating anything but that's the only one that I've seen personally and I don't remember that I don't know that that was anything weird. It could have been completely explainable as far as, as far as that red light goes.

It could have been somebody with a red headlamp on that, you know, that was flipping over cow patties looking for mushrooms or something like that. Yeah, I think that would be weird on your property. I mean, to be out there flipping over cow patties. I mean, it's like in the middle of no way, you know what I mean? Like, I just have, I don't know. It could be, I guess. I think it would, I think it would too, but I'm just saying I can't rule out that possibility. But yes, that's a, that's a light that I had seen.

That was weird. Yeah, I hear you. Can I ask you, John, the night that we all saw that light when we were in the barn, what do you think that thing was? I've thought about that a lot of times. And I really don't have, I really don't have an answer for it. I have a problem with Kirk not being able to see it through the thermal camera, because you should have been able to see it through the thermal camera clearly,

that all of the growth that was around, and we saw it coming from a distance, it wasn't just coming from five feet and then drop down. It was coming from a distance, and he couldn't see any heat signature through the thermal camera. I have a problem with that. I'm not saying that it was something that was supernatural, but I kind of leaned towards it being supernatural.

Yeah, I think it was too, man. I mean, it was, it was weird. And then, you know, the bang on the building that was right next to us. I mean, we were standing right next to that building. And it sounded like a truck hit the building right next to us. I think it was supernatural, too. I mean, I don't have any other explanation. Yeah.

That was beyond crazy what happened that night. absolutely none of us were expecting anything like that to happen. We're out trying to look for Bigfoot, and then we see some type of, I don't know if you want to call it an orb or what you want to call it, a strange light coming through towards us. And we just didn't think that that should have happened. I think the bang and the light was,

I take both of them as being connected because it was right in that same moment. and the reason for the reason it's kind of hard to believe that it's a person aside from not being aside from you know a person that's somehow able to evade you know the thermal camera and not be detected that's one thing but i i don't know i'm i have no idea what that could have been yeah i've been at a loss for what what it was that we saw that night and you know a lot of of people will report seeing Sasquatch and these lights on their property. And this was probably the second time I'd seen the lights. But this one really threw me off because we watched it come towards us. It wasn't like floating, you know, 20 feet in the air. It looked like, imagine for the audience, imagine it's dark out and he see a guy with a 1980s kind of yellow, orange flashlight and he's walking down a trail towards you, that's kind of what it looked like.

And, I mean, we saw it for a long time. It's not like we saw it for five seconds. I mean, I really thought someone was coming towards the barn to go, hey, guys, keep it down or something to that effect. And to watch it dive down and then to hear that bang, I don't know any other explanation, but to say it was paranormal. normal. It wasn't as if Kirk was only not able to see it for five feet. There was, you know, not that I can recall it that clearly because it being so many years ago, but I think it was moving at least 100 feet, don't you?

Yeah, at least 100 feet. I mean, it was, I would even go a little bit farther than 100 feet away. I mean, we sat there and watched it forever, and that's really why I thought it was a person coming towards us. One thing that I didn't tell you was last year, so this would have been the beginning like January of 2022. I was at the tribal gas station and I was standing in line and the cashier who, you know, also is from this reservation as well, was working there.

He goes, there's the gas stations, the gas station's full and it's really busy. And he just says to me, he goes, Okay, I've seen one of those creepy black things run across the road by your house a couple weeks ago. He was talking fairly loud, and I was thinking, you really want to talk about this with all these customers around? I'm not saying that to him, but I'm thinking that. So I just stop for a second, and I go, you mean like a Sasquatch? And he goes, yeah. And I go, how tall was it?

He goes, it wasn't very tall. It was about our size. And it just ran across the road. I was about 100 yards away from it. And apparently he was riding with one of his friends at that time. And his friend had told him that it had to be somebody that was dressed up in all black. And for it to run across the road and hop over the fence right there, I mean, you're talking about somebody dressed up like a freaking ninja that's also capable of just hopping over the fence.

without, you know, having to use the fence to propel themselves up. But I really do believe that he saw a Sasquatch across the road. And it was just up the road from us, like, right by the culvert where it, you know, that tree line loops around our property. Yeah, I know exactly what we were talking about. Yeah, that's where he had seen that from. He said it was headed towards, like, our property. Yeah, I was muted out when you were.

were doing your impression. I think I was busting up. I think I might have met that guy at that gas station you were just doing the impression of. And I know from talking to you off there that the activity is still going on out there all the time on your property and often make another trip out there. But I really do appreciate you taking the time to come on and give us a little bit of a history lesson. You know, I talk about you and your wife a lot and the property. And for new listeners, it kind of gives them an insight about, you know, what I'm rambling on about. So thank you so much for taking the time to come back on the show, John. Yeah, thanks for having me.

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