Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:950 American Werewolf

Episode Date: April 30, 2023

Tonight I will be speaking to Dave. Dave writes "I'm 57 years old and my first encounter was when I was 16 years old. The thing is, it wasn't a bigfoot, it was what I learned everyone is calling a dogman about 7 years ago. At the time I didn't know what it was and thought it was the only one. There is a lot to this story." Dave and his friends had run into this creature on this property spanning 6 years. When the creature was disposed of Dave said "I didn't know what it was, I shot this thing thinking it was the only one. I remember telling the old man who owned most of the property around my house that I shot that thing. He looked at his wife and said "Honey they killed it, they shot it and he wanted to know where it was. So we took him there."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six of a bear. This is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in it.

Uh-uh. This is Ladon from South Louisiana, home of the Rugaru, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We're going to be chatting with Dave. And Dave comes to us from Massachusetts, and he was 15 years old when this incident took place, and it went on for a couple of years.

his family owned kind of a large piece of property, but it was adjacent to even a larger piece of property, and he would go over there hunting and hanging out and that sort of thing, until they ran into this creature. And the first time they ran into it, Dave said I thought it was some weird bear. And what you're going to hear tonight spans over about six years until everything ended.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Dave to the show. Dave, thanks for coming on. Yes, thank you for taking my call. If you would, take me back. We're growing back over 40 years ago. You're 15 years old. out there in Massachusetts, to kind of tell me how all of this started and walk me into the first time seeing this thing?

Well, I was out in the woods with a friend of mine. His name was Bill. It was just a classmate of mine, and I just got my hunting license, and I was able to hunt on my own for the first time. And we were up out in the woods and up on this high ridge. And I looked down. I thought it was a bear, a small black. bear. It looked odd to me and I told, I'm looking to it with just a regular 22, I had a 22

bull faction rifle because we just out there squirrel hunting, plank and stuff like that. And I, I'm looking through, you know, looking down this ravine down at this, I thought it was, like I said, a black bear. And it looked odd and I said to my buddy. I said, Bill, take this gun and just look at what you think of that is, you know? I said, tell me if you think that's a bear or a dog go, what do you think it is? So I gave him the gun. So he's looking through it with a scope and I grabbed my binoculars and I'm looking down through the binoculars had it.

And it was down in a bog area. It was just a marsh area down in there. Next thing I know I heard something and I looked over at him and I'm like, and he just took off. He left my gun on the ground. I was so I'm like, uh, Bill, where are you going? So I hopped up. We were sitting on the edge of a ledge like, and we had.

had her feet dangling. So I just hopped up, I grabbed my gun, and I started chasing after him. I said, Bill, what are you doing? Where are you going? And he says, Dave, I don't know what that was, but that wasn't natural. And to me, it looked like a demon. I go, what? I said, it looked like a black bear to me. He goes, no, that didn't, it was no black bear. And I was like, okay, whatever you, whatever you think. And I just, just didn't think nothing of it after that. Was Bill closer to the creature? I mean, did he get a better look at the same? than you did? He was sitting right on my right hand side.

I mean, we were almost shoulder to the shoulder. I don't know what it was. He saw, I don't know if he had, I mean, it could have been where he had seen something like this before. I don't know. He was a Bible student. I know he was going to be studying to be a priest in a ministry or something like that. You know, he was going to Bible College when he graduated high school.

And at the time, like I said, I was 15. He was two years older than me. and he was getting ready to move to New Hampshire to go to Bible college. So he may have seen something that I didn't. I don't know what it was, but he may have noticed something odd. I mean, to me, it did look odd. It looked, we were looking at it at an elevated position. So the shoulders did look wider, but it still didn't click with me.

So I don't know if he had, he just didn't, he didn't, he just, all he said was it looked like a demon. That's what he said. Yeah, I was just curious why he said demonic. It's kind of an odd statement to make. You know, bears generally don't have big shoulders, but you continue to hunt this area, and now we're in wintertime. If you would, you kind of walked me into the next incident that happened on this property. Yeah, the winter after that, well, it was pre-winter.

Well, I guess it was winter because, yeah, it was winter because, yeah, it was winter, because it was in Massachusetts, sometimes you get snow, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you help to hope for a white Christmas and you never know if you're going to get it or not. But I used to be able to ride my motorcycle in March down there. But anyways, it was pretty cold out. It was me, my buddy Kurt and my friend Louis, and I always had this beagle dog that I took with me everywhere, whenever we went hunting or whenever we went camping, I always had this dog. and we were in the same area within

maybe 400, 500 yards from that same location that me and Bill were sitting on and we had a tree house that we had built and it was about 12 feet off the ground. Well, no, it wasn't 12 because we didn't have many big ladders. It was probably about 8 to 10 feet off the ground. And I was leaning, we were sitting by the fire

and I was leaning against a tree stump that we had cut to build this. street house to my right was a stone wall that ran forever it just went you know those old farm houses and they those old farm lands they had you know stone walls that just ran forever but we were in a heavily wooded area where it was just old growth pines nobody had gone in there for years I mean it was just just grown in and we hung around in there quite a bit and Kurt was sitting for directly in front of me. My buddy Louis was on the right hand side and there's a cart trail that

runs on the right hand side that just goes for miles. It cuts through that farmland and just heads out for miles and eventually it will attach it attaches to another road, a main road, but it's, I'm talking miles and miles and miles away. And we were sitting there and we've had some, I wouldn't say run-ins, but we've had, we've heard sound. out there howling and screams that was just odd that we couldn't place what it was and know if it was like a screech owl or something like that but it was just a really really really high volume scream that we've heard from time to time which is why we built the tree house because we didn't want you on the ground

we were sitting there I'm watching the dog and the dog's head facing Louis but he's looking past him on the right hand side. And he's just kind of scoping. I'm, I'm just, we're just, you know, talking and stuff like that. And I'm watching the dog and listen to them and I'm looking at the fire. And the dog's looking from to my right and then slowly kind of behind me and then turns his head to my left where the stone wall was probably about 40 feet away. And then slowly is, and he started to growling. and then the tension started going further to from my left to straight in front of me. I'm looking at the fire.

I mean, we had a pretty good size fire going on. It was all pine trees out there. So we just pine, you know, pine wood that we're using. So it burns pretty high and pretty, you know, pretty bright. And we're talking, talking, talking. And then I see a set of eyes further out F into the woods. And when I say we're in the woods, we are in the woods, but. the, we've pruned these trees up so high because we're always burning, you know, burn, keep the fire going.

So it was clear. I mean, you could, you could run through there without running into a stick hitting your face or anything. You could just run full blast, no problems. You could ride motorcycle dirt back, whatever you want to do. You could do whatever you want and not run it. You know, as long as you didn't the tree, but there was no branches in a way when I'm getting at. Anyways, I see a set eyes and they're about, I'm sitting down. and they're about the same height as where we're sitting,

my eye level, and I'm sitting on my butt, on a stump, I should say. And my buddy Louie's talking, and I'm looking down at the fire, and I'm looking at the dog, and he's looking straight out there. And I lean to my left to look over my buddy's shoulder and look around him, my buddy Kurt, he's sitting straight across from me. And he's talking, when I lean over to my left and look and see these eyes, I guess my demeanor changed because my buddy Kurt was like, what? And I said, nothing.

And he's like, dude, don't, don't play games with me. What? And I said, uh, no, there's nothing. And he goes, he goes, screw you. There's something. And I said, I think we should just get in the tree house. So he's like, all right, let's go. He jumps right up over the fire.

He just leaps right over the fire towards me. He goes, I'll go first. Chris, he climbs up the ladder. He gets up the ladder. I told Louis, take the dog. So he hands the dog up. And now I'm still facing in the same direction. And Kurt was, he's kind of a nervous person.

He's always been that way. I hand the dog to Louis. He hands the dog up to Kurt. And I climb up the ladder. And Chris going, what was it? What was it? I just thought I saw something out there. I don't know what it was.

Now, I carried a spotlight with me, the head that I ran off of my motorcycle battery that I took off. It was during the winter as I wasn't riding my motorcycle, so I took the battery, and I made a bag. I used to carry it in, so I had this spotlight. The tree house had a platform, it was a platform, but it had a roof over it, but it didn't have any walls. And we got in there, and we're sleeping. Well, not sleeping, but we're laying in bed and finally fall asleep. don't hear nothing, fire dies out. Now, in order to get in this tree house,

there's a trap door dead center. If you're looking straight down at the platform, I'm on the left-hand side, my buddy Kurtz on the right-hand side, my buddy Louie's right dead center. The dog's in my sleeping bag. The dog's still attacking squirley. I told him to knock out of and he finally wrestling to settle down and fell asleep.

And all three of us just started to doze off. And I feel Louis move. but I just assume he's just moving around. And he goes, hey, I said, what? And he was nothing. And then he just stops moving. So I roll over onto my left shoulder, and then I hear him again. Go, what the, and I can feel them moving.

I go, what are you doing? Because we're pretty crowded in a small pup tent because it wasn't, it was only like a 10 by 12 platform. And the tent was smaller than that. It was only like a three-man tent. So I said, what are you doing? He goes, something's pushing this trap door up. I go, what? And now Kurt starts freaking out.

And what are you talking about? What are you talking about? He's freaking out. So I unzipped the zipper on the tent and I come out with the spotlight. And that movie comes up behind me. And Kurt, I said, Kurt, come out here. He goes, I'm not coming out. I'm not coming out.

I'm not coming out. So I shine the light down. I'm looking around. The fire is still going, but it's almost completely out. and I'm looking to my right and it's heading towards, I'm looking towards where that cart road, that I mentioned is on my right hand side. And there's this thing.

It's just, it's on two feet and it's walking away. And it was probably five, maybe six feet tall, dog, like dog legs. And my buddy Louis says, what in the hell is that? I said, I don't know, but when I was out here last year with Bill, because he went to school with them, they were older than me also. I said, we saw this thing up out there.

Now, while we're a conversation about this, we're having this conversation, I got the spotlight. I mean, it's a pretty bright light. I mean, I got him lit up like a frigging airport runaway, and I'm just blasting right on him. And it's walking away from us. and it grabbed onto a tree with his left hand, just bring his hand up and just held onto this tree

as it was passing it, just like, I don't know why it would hold the tree, but didn't really hold it, just kind of put his hand on it. And then kind of turned his head, like he was gonna look back over his shoulder, or his left shoulder at us. And I swear to Christ, this friggin thing, it smiled or smirk or whatever, or grinned,

if you, if you were, And it's just, all you can see was that, that corner of its mouth just kind of give a little grin and then turn straight and then walk off. And then it dropped down over that knoll that went to that cart road and then we didn't see it. And the whole time, my buddy Kurt was like, what is it? What do you see? What do you see? And we were just standing there in shock. We climbed back into the bed and I mean into the tank and got back in the sleeping bags in the bed.

And I didn't sleep the rest of the night that morning when we were. When we did, when light started coming up, I climbed out and we got about four inches of snow that early moon. And I come down and I hunted around. I didn't see any tracks or anything like that. But it was pretty bizarre to see which I thought was, you know, at first was a bear that first year. And then him mentioning that it looked like a demon. And then this, then this time seeing that, then I kind of got a feel for this is, this is, just not right. I don't know what it was or, you know, still to this day, well, not to this day,

but until up to about six years ago, I never heard of the term dog man before. I didn't think, or I didn't have a name for it. We didn't, I didn't know what it was. It's a scary account. So when it's walking away from you guys, you have the spotlight on it and it's walking on two legs? Two legs at that time, yeah. The first time I saw it was only on four. That's why I thought it was a bear or a dog, a big dog. If you would, what are some of the details you remember? I mean, what are some things that stood out to as you were watching the saying walk away from you? Well, it was, like I said, probably close to six feet, five to six feet tall.

I have probably closer to five feet because at that time, and you'll understand why I say five. At that time, it was probably closer to five feet. But anyways, it was, you could tell, I could see the back. You know how a dog's legs have those back heels that sit up high between their legs, between their butt and their, in their feet? That's what we're seeing. The hairs weren't really, you know, it wasn't really long, probably an inch, inch and a half, too, something like that. It had thicker hair across the back of the head and down between the shoulder blades, but then it thinned out.

It wasn't a very, very long tail, kind of bushy and not really, no, it wasn't really very long. but it wasn't really short either. You know, it was kind of in between. The hands on it, when it touched that tree, it reminded me of like a raccoon's hand. And I have the long fingers, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's interesting about the raccoon hands. I mean, when you look at a raccoon's hands,

they almost kind of look like little human hands. And I know this area is part of this is your property, and then there's a part that you guys hunted. Do you guys continue to go out there and hang out and hunt this property? We did from my age from 15 to 21 on my final encounter and the final encounter. I can fill you in between several encounters that I've had in between before I was 21. Yeah, if you would kind of fill us in on the history before you get to the final encounter. or kind of what's the next incident that happened?

The following year, I had turned 17. That was back in 82, 83, somewhere around there. I was out there with my friend Vic. He was from Cambodia, not Cambodia. He was from Laos. He was from Laos. And we were out there camping. and I had set up a pup tent and it was campus.

It was an old, I guess it was military. My father was a scoutmaster and the town over. And I was always in with the, you know, Boy Scouts and all that stuff hanging around. And then I finally joined the Boy Scouts when I was old enough. But when we kind of parted ways and he stopped doing that, my father had some of the gear that he acquired from them because he purchased, new gear for them for the for the for the truth but anyways I had one of the canvas tents was just an old tent solid canvas all the way around even the bottom was tent and

had wooden poles that you stretched out to hold the tent up it was just a two-man tent really very tight we were sitting by the fire there same exact spot I had the tent set up now I just described to you which way I was sitting before I was sitting with my with the stone wall on my left and the road on the right that cart road on the right I had the tent set up on the same side on the right hand side. We were sitting with our backs to the tent. So the cart row was behind us. We were sitting there facing the fire.

And I had the same dog with me. We just sit down. And it was probably about 7.30, 8 o'clock. It was dark. It was late in the year. So they got dark early. And I heard this scream, and it was far. I mean, it was a good day.

distance away and it was loud, but it was far. We could tell it was far. And he looked at me and I still had my shotgun with me. I'll always carry it with me no matter where I went. And I said, Jesus, that sounded kind of close. And just while I was saying that, you could hear something moving down that road at a high rate speed. I mean, it was booking.

And just as I said the word close in that sentence, I heard it slammed on the brakes and just sound like it slid. And then it screamed. And it screamed so freaking loud that you could hit, you could feel it through your body. And I instantly spun around. He was sitting on my right. And we were almost again, shoulder of the shoulder. I'm left handed.

I spun that, I spun to my right and swung that gun down between the two of us and opened up one round and just blew that tent to have. I mean, I clean cut both poles right off. The whole thing just collapsed. And he started screaming, what the hell is that? I said, I don't know. My dog was going crazy when I had him tied to the stump that I was sitting at before that I just described you. And he was going, cuckoo for cuckooofa cuckabuffs. And I was like, I don't know what it is.

Grab my backpack. We were out of here. So he grabbed the pack and I had it out and I got this gun loaded and it was only a single shot. It was an H&R, New England's fire round, sorry. So I used to carry four rounds in between my fingers so that when I, on my right hand, I would stick them tight in between my finger joints right up close to my palm of my hand, right around the brass of the firearm, I mean of the cartridge. So when I shot, I could hit the lever.

It would pop open and I could just drop the next one in and then just snap it shut. And then I was ready to shoot again. So I loaded my hand. I had 25 rounds around my waist, just birdshot, nothing fancy. And then we headed out. And we could hear it pacing us. We didn't see nothing. I didn't even have a freaking flashlight with me.

But we went out on the moonlight just so I got to we had to walk out. out of the woods and it was a good two and a half miles out of the woods and we got to the road and then just beat feet straight back home is another six probably six miles home to get home and um I got to the house my father's like what are you guys doing here and I said oh there was some bunch of wild dogs up there up there and and that wasn't uncommon because there's been wild dogs up there before in the police department that's had to go in there go in there and and shoot a bunch of them because they were been, you know, raising chaos out there. But anyways, he said to me, well, I must have been quite an experience of quite a few dogs in order to get you out of the woods because you don't leave the woods for nothing. And I said, yeah, I know. So I said to him, what are you guys doing? And he said, well, your mom and I are going to watch a movie.

I said, all right, cool. So we changed. He put on a pair of shorts. And I put on a pair of shorts. and my dad shut all the lights off in the kitchen and stuff. And to give you kind of a layout and where the kitchen was, was the kitchen was dead center of the, it was an apartment building where we were living in.

If I'm facing a refrigerator, I had the refrigerator door open. I was getting something to drink. On my left is where straight down the hall is where my TV. You could see the TV in the living room from where I was standing. Now, if I close a refrigerator door, you'd be able to see it from my bedroom door, which is directly on my right-hand side. My buddy Vic was standing at that door waiting for me to get,

but I was going to get out of the refrigerator. I had the door open. I could barely see him because of the light refrigerator, but I could see him. And the movie had already started. My father was like, you better hurry up. The movie had already started. I'm like, all right.

He went in there. My mom's in there. They can't see us because when you go in, you just go around the corner where the couch was, but the TV's still in line with us. All of a sudden, this screen, comes on TV and I hear and I was drinking something as it happened I stopped drinking and because I would just it just realized that I just realized that Jesus

Christ that sounds exactly like what we just heard out in the woods and I hear what I thought was water running so I stepped back and and just kind of almost closed the door all the way and I look over it Vic and he beat himself and he's shaken violently and he looked at me and goes that's it that's what we've freaking heard and he turned around and went into my room and then for a split second and he come flying out of there with all of this stuff he said I can't stay here and he just took off and I'm like what in the hell so I grab a towel from the bathroom which is directly behind me.

And I go over and I throw it on the floor and my father comes out of the bedroom. I'm on me out of the living room. He says, what's going on? Where's your buddy? I said, he had to go. He wasn't feeling good. I said, what are you watching? So your mother put on some movie American werewolf in London.

I don't know if you ever seen that movie before, but that scream when they were in the marsh. That was exactly what we heard out in the woods. it was just I mean it made my hair on my back of my neck stand when it when it hollered Vic um he didn't hang around me anymore he uh I saw him at school I tried to talk to him and he he he just said Dave I really like you but I don't I don't know what that was and that movie that whatever it was that was on it and he asked me he said what was that movie and I told him. I said, it was American Werewolf in London. So we're in the cafeteria at school and he's vibrating and he's like, was that a werewolf? I said, dude, I don't know what the

hell it was. I'll have to go back and watch that American Werewolf in London. See if I can get that soundbite. That is scary. I mean, and it's too bad it kind of broke up your guys' relationship. It kind of helped me understand. So on this property, I know, you guys have a big piece of property and you're kind of like right next to another big piece of property and that's where this is mainly happening kind of on this other property. Yeah, it wasn't a property that I owned or my family owned. It was just, it was an old farmland. And the funny thing is, is when we started, we were going up there, it's weird because

my grandparents grew up in that town and my grandmother used to, skate from one pond uphill up into the power lines up to this other pond which is within a stone throw of where all this activity had been and when I first started hunting up there when I was 15 when my buddy and I got my other two buddies and I got our hunting license we used to hunt around the um we're on the airport we're on the landing strip on the outside of the fence line because they used to bring a lot of pheasant out there and they let him go and it was just acre and acres and acres of either corn fields or just regular fields that they use for haying. And the two old timers that hang around up there, they used to always sit there and watch the plains land. And we would go there first. And they would always say, we'd say, hey, you see anything? Yep, right behind the truck, there might be a couple of parks over there, across the street. We just saw two pheasant. So they would kind of give us a heads up on where they were, you know, where the game was. And I do remember one time when we were up there, one of

of the old timers we were walking he told us where the pheasants were and he says hey and I turn around he goes you fellows need to be careful around here he said you need to stay stay on the road here hunt off the road don't go too far in the woods and I was like okay why you know and I didn't didn't don't me then you know why would you tell me that you know I'm not an idiot you know I've been in the woods all my life my you know when the boys got troop I've hunt I've hiked Mount Washington when I was seven. I mean, I'd been in the woods everywhere. So, you know, the woods didn't scare me any.

I was, you know, I've always been able to find my way in and find my way out. I always tracked my way back out the same exact way I went in without a compass or anything else or a map or anything. But he just kind of gave us us, you know, you have to pay attention to what you're doing. Don't be out here when it gets late, miss and this and nap, stay close to the road. I'm like, okay, whatever. And we just just blew it off at that time. And the farmer that owned the property, I didn't know who owned the property, but where we always went in was next to this marsh area next to the main road. And we always had to climb over a fence.

And there was a couple that were coming down the road, an elderly couple, and they were pretty good, probably in their 60s. And I didn't know it at that time, but he owned the property. But he said to me, we, we, I went to lean over the fence and I had to push the barbed wire. down and he's like hey hey yeah don't do that I was like oh I'm sorry he goes I don't mind you guys going in there and hunting but don't bend the fence down because I don't need anything getting out I'm like okay sorry he's like yeah no problem and then he went over and was fixing the fence and I was helping to fix the fence and he said do me a fair he said don't hang around here in the night

time ever and I was like why is that he goes you just don't want to hang around He said, I have a big, he said, I had a bull out here. A big bull. He says, he says, he says, he was probably eight, nine hundred pounds. He says, he's what provided me with all my, all my cattle that I have out here now. He says, and I found him torn up. He says, and nothing was missing on him. He was just ripped to shreds.

He says, and I don't know what did it because this animal was meaner than now. He says, and this whole field was dedicated to him only. because I couldn't put him with anything else because he would just bust him up. He says, when we bred him, we had to, we had to rope him and bring him into a box stall to breed him because he was that violent, that, that aggressive. He says, and whatever put him down had been bigger than him, and meaner than him. And I was like, okay, whatever, you know. I just assumed he was just trying to scare the hell out of us because we were at the time, like I said, we were, you know, 15, 16 years old. And that goes back prior.

That incident actually goes prior before I actually saw that when I was 15. That was when we just started hanging around there and just starting, you know, hunting up there. Makes you wonder if he's seen something. And I know we'll get to that here in a minute. But did you ever go back to your folks to your parents and say, hey, you know, I saw this weird thing upright walking? I mean, did you ever have that sort of conversation? No, I never did.

I didn't tell anybody. In fact, you're probably the one, two. You're the third person I've ever told in my life, other than the guys that have been with me. I appreciate that, Dave. That means a lot to me. I'm honored by it. Tell me, so we're kind of leading up to the final encounter,

and I know that one is shocking. But was there other things that happened prior to that? I can tell you about the last one, but the one that really stands out to me. Well, there's two that stand out to me. One that kind of really set it into my head on what this thing was was when I got into long distance shooting because my uncle was in Vietnam death. He's passed away now. He died of cancer.

But he got into long distance shooting and he kind of got me into long distance shooting. And we used to, when I used to hunt out there, we used to, like I said, I used to use a 22 a lot. You're not supposed to use 22s to shoot waterfowl, but I mean it was the easiest way. I shoot him in the head, away from the, when you pop them in the head, their legs kind of wiggle,

and then they'll just swim their way back, and they actually swim in a circle until they work their way back to shore. Then we fish them out with a stick, take them and eat them. But anyways, I got into long distance shooting to where we would be up on these fields and stuff,

being able to shoot wood chucks and stuff like that, amongst other things that we were getting into. But anyways, I used to shoot it, it was a 308 is what we shot. It was my uncle's 308, and I had a mild-dunk scope on it.

And we were down in the same area, but down towards the pond, closer to the, we were down near the pond hoping to shoot geese or just target practice on turtles that's hanging around, those stump, things like that.

And my buddy, Danny, he had never been out there, with me before. But we did a lot of target practice in prior on the gun range and stuff. And he was, he was my spotter. He used to range me for what I needed to shoot. And I would just dial it in, you know, put the right dope on the scope and then squeeze them off.

And we could hear dogs screaming. And I said, Jesus day, those damn wild dogs, they're out here again. So let's go down there. So they got to be just on the power line, which is just, if you follow this trail down through this, they got to be really. real close. So we run around, we're up on a, we're on the, I got the, we got the, we get the advantage, we're up on the high spot. And the way the cart road was that cut through the, you know, power lines there like a main road they go through. We were

up on this high spot and the road went down probably 200 yards and then dropped significantly, probably two feet and then leveled off and then it just, it was, it was just weird how they did it. I don't know why they cut it that way, but because some of the trails went from left the right, not just straight down the hill. So I had a gilly suit that I always carried with me when we were doing this sniping stuff, if you want to call it that. So we're out there, and I get right out and I set up, I just drop my bipaw down and I set up, set up a rifle. I got the gillie suit right over my head, and he's on my right hand side.

He's got one, his left knee is up, and his right knee, he's lean, he's, down on his right knee. And I said, range me. And I could see these dogs, and it looked like they were fighting, which I thought. I said, Jesus, why are they beaten up on that one dog? And I thought it was a black dog or a black bear. And I said, is that a bear or dog? He said, I can't tell it because it's down over that note.

I said, range me. He said, you're 137. 137 yards. So I just, that gun at that time, I set it for 100 yards. So I knew I was plus or minus, you know, an eighth of an inch quarter, an inch quarter of it was. And I stopped squeezing off. And I'm dumping these dogs left and right. Boom.

Boom. On the right, on the left, I shot three dogs and then they finally scattered. And that one dead center, when he said, I'm not sure what it is. I kind of, I kind of figured I knew what it was. It went to the right. And I thought it was going to just take off and go into the woods. And then it started, it turned and started up towards us. And it was on our right hand side.

And I mean, it's moving fast. I couldn't even keep it in the scope. I had to keep looking over the scope to see where it's going and try and get the scope back on it. And it's, I mean, it was moving. And then it just slammed on the brakes and stood up. And I hear, I look over, I hear something on my right hand side, this weird noise. I look over and he, Danny is on his back. and he's just dry heaving and he's gagging.

And now I look back straight at this thing and it dropped the whole force and then just took off to my right, I mean to my left, sorry, and went across the road and went off into the woods. And then I saw, now I look back at Danny. I said, Danny, what in the hell are you doing? And he goes and he starts, then he rolls over onto his stomach and now he was really puking. And he's like, what the fuck is that? And I said, I don't know. And he goes, well, it didn't look like a fucking bear.

It didn't look like a dog. What the hell was it? I said, I don't know. And it was only on forest the whole time, that whole time. I was like, dude, I don't know what it was. And I just played it off. I didn't want to freak him out. I didn't know what I'd tell him when I thought it was.

I was going to tell him, oh, I think it was a werewolf from American werewolf in London, you know. So we packed up and took off and we left. And the following year, when I was 18, we were at the same place, tree house, but I had my, at the time, she was just my girlfriend. She's now my ex-wife. We bought the fire, and I had that same damn dog with me. And we heard it coming, and I heard the howl out in the woods. And Kurt just looked at me and said, let's go now. And I said, okay.

So we just started walking out. At that time, I had a maglet with me. Now, when you come out of that wooded area, you have to cut through a field. And like I said, that stone wall just ran for forever. So you come through the field, the stone wall is still on your, as you're, when I come back out, there's stone wall. He's going to be on my right hand side now instead of sitting down being on my left hand side. So we crossed the stone wall out and we went through the field and dropped down to the lower,

the lower trail. There was a lower, like a, I don't know if it's a skitter trail or just what they used to use, a cart trail or whatever it was. But there was a field there, and there was an apple orchard right next to it. And after you went through the field and the trail dropped down, as you were walking out, that stone walls on your left hand side and that field, that apple orchard sat up high now. And I kept looking over my shoulder, looking over my shoulder. He's bought my buddy Kurtz behind me and my exes on my left hand side.

I thought I heard a stick snap. And I looked back to see if it was curt. And when I looked at him, his eyeballs was bigger. I mean, just bugging right out of his head. And he just goes, just keep walking. And as I'm going to turn, now I looked over my left shoulder. So I'm swinging to my right to look forward again. And as I'm swinging to my right, my eyeballs glanced across the top of that stone wall.

And I saw it's back. I start moving. Well, at least I think of it was his back. and I said, Jesus Christ, it's right there. Look, look, look, look, look. I'm not looking, I'm looking, I'm looking.

So I got the maglight pointer right out of it, and I had it in my right hand, and I had it right ripping my stock of my gun, so I'm aiming down the gun, but the maglake is shining the same direction.

So I'm saying, look, look, look. He's like, no, and he starts freaking out. He starts screaming at me. And then when he started screaming, this thing, it must have, I think it went up, it didn't go up on its

back feet, but it went up part of the wall with his front feet and just kind of peered over the wall and looked right at us. Now my ex saw it, and she's like, what though? And I said, just keep walking. And he's like, he says, yeah, let's run. I said, no, I'm not running. You don't run. Just walk. And we had a pretty, like I said, two and a half mile walk out of that place. So we just kept walking. After the stone wall, I didn't hear it or see it anymore. And my head was on a swivel, but I didn't see it. And then when I was 20, I decided to figure out what it was.

I was tired of being not harassed, but just baffled by what it was. And that dumbass movie kept popping in my head, is it a werewolf and all this crap? So I went out there during the winter when I was 20 and it was late December. And my birthday's in March. So I turned 21, you know, that following year. And the reason why I say that, I'll get that in a minute and a minute. But anyways, when I was 20, I decided to track it. I took that same damn dog with me.

But he had short-legged beagle and we got some snow that winter for the first time. And who knows how long almost for Christmas was nice. I wanted to go with a pair of snow shoes in a backpack and I had my shock on me. The snow shoes I had were the old school ones where they had those long tapered back ends of them, but they weren't like those aluminum ones they have now. We could just pretty much break dance with those ones you have now, but they were big and gone me. And I got down in that bog the first time where I saw or we saw it. Because I always wondered if it just, if that's where it always came from was down in that bomb.

So I got done in that bog. Now that bog went down. It bled out down to that pond that I told you that we worked around that I went down to the power lines. And then it actually went. And then that actually had a small stream that went down to another pond that was down right at the outside edge of the town, which was where I told you what my grandmother used to skate when she was a kid and all the stuff. Anyways, I'm on down in that bog and I knew it was all froze over. So I decided to climb down in there.

I'm down in there. It was pretty deep snow, probably eight inches of snow. And the dog's just falling me. He's hopping from, from snowshoe track to snowshoot track, just trying to keep up. And down in the middle of that bog, and you could tell it was ice where I got down in there. And it was a high knoll in the center. I thought it was like a beaver hut. And there was a black spot dead center of it.

So I'm thinking, oh, that's pretty cool. It's a beaver dam down here. So I turned around, I'm like, come on, dog, let's go. His name was Skeeter. I'm like, come on, skater, let's go. And when I looked forward, the damn thing was halfway out of that hole and that null. And I froze in my tracks. And that was probably 100 feet, 150 feet, something like that from it.

I wasn't real close, but I was close. And it came out partially out, and it was still. on all four or it was it seemed like less than all four because it kind of had to squeeze out of the hole and I looked right at it and I said if you come any further I'm going to shoot you in the face and it just sat and then I could see it looked like it just dropped his butt end to the ground because I that's what it looked like I mean I couldn't see its butt because it was dark in that hole so it looked like it just sat but it was just you know perched up on his front feet just sitting and looking at me so I'm like how I

I'm not going to turn my freaking back on this thing. So when I hiked out there, I used to carry my snow shoes on my backpack, and I carried them with leather straps, raw hide straps. I took the raw hide straps off the corner of the, of the, of the, of the corner of my backpack, and reached, I tipped my heel up so that that back end of that, that snowshoe came up right close to my butt. And I made a loop in that raw hide,

and I cinched it right on the back of that. then I did the same thing on the right hand side. And then I use, because if you tried walking backwards with those snowshoes, they would dig in in the back and you'd fall right flat on your back. And then you'd possibly break her ankle. So I picked up my, I put the gun over my neck because I had a leather strap on it, just kind of looped it over my head. So it was hanging dead in front of me.

So if I had to, I could let the strap go and grab onto the gun and just pick it up over my, so the strap would come off over my head and then aim forward. So I just kind of juke it over my shirt, over my head, around my neck, and then grab the straps and then just walk by myself backwards by pulling on, pulling left right, left, right, left, right, and work my way back until I dropped down past this no. The bank that I came up over. So I went down on it, and then I'm thinking it's uphill from here all the way back to the main road.

And it's more, now I'm more than two and a half miles out. into the woods. So I said, the quickest way I'm thinking the quickest way is now is to follow the downhill because I'd be able to move quicker downhill and hit that pond and then cross the pond and then hit the power lines and then make my way back into town. So I got past that, down over that no, turned, I turned myself and took the straps off the back of the snow shoes, grabbed the dog, and I just started looking at it. I mean, I'm just trying to treasure this heavy snow and I'm moving.

And by the time I got to the pond, the snow had picked up. It was snowing out slightly when I got there, but it just, it was almost like a complete light out when I hit the pond. When I got to the pond, I'm in the sign of the pond and I'm thinking, I just had this gut feeling that there's something freaking following me. So I look back and I can see this black shadow way off it. And the snow is just blowing really hard. It's almost coming in horizontally. And I could see it moving. So I yelled.

I said, I don't want to do this, but I'm going to have to put you down. That's just what I said to it. And I yelled at as loud as I could because the girl that was with me, we were going to be getting married the following year. And I just, I wanted to be able to bring my kids down there. And because I hung around there all my life. My father hung there. during his life.

My grandfather hunted that area. So my family knew the area, but I never once heard any of them talk about this. So that's all I said to. I screamed it out loud and I just kept, then I just kept bugging. And I got to the power lines and I worked my way back into town, took the snow shoes off and I got to the end of the power lines and then just went home. when I was 21, I was able to buy a pistol because you can only be 21 and you have to be 21 to own a pistol.

You can be 15 to buy a, to hunt with a firearm, but you can't buy it until you're 18. They had a lot of crappy rules anyways. So anyways, I bought a pistol. I bought a 7.62 by 25. It's a, I think it's Chinese. It's called a Norinco. It's a handgun.

It's basically a cut down shell of an AK-47 or a Chinese SKS. 7.62 by 3.9. It's a same caliber, but it's cut down. It's a pretty heavy round. So that following year, when I was 21, I bought the gun, and, you know, we shot a few times and this and that, and it was nice.

I mean, I still was doing a lot of long distance shooting and stuff. Well, I told Danny, I said, well, let me go down to the pond again. We'll see if we can get some geese down there. Yeah, sure, sure. So the same spot where we went, where I went over the fence. I told you about whether the owner told me not the crushes fast. Well, when you climb over the fence and you follow that stone wall straight into the woods, it only goes in about 60 feet and there's a big swamp right there.

And there's a huge tree that yours always was there. That was within, I don't know, six feet of the edge of that swamp. And if you ever got into that swamp and I've shot, ducks. That's why we always used to have to fish them out with sticks because if you got in there, there wasn't much water in it, but the mud would just, it was almost like quicksand and pull you right in. So we get in there and I'm getting my gilly suit out of my backpack and I'm standing within, I, I, within two feet of that tree and I'm the trees in front of me, the fields right there and on the other side of that. And then.

The swamp is directly behind me. My buddy Danny is on my right hand side. He's getting his gear out. I took the rifle. I set it down against the tree. Took my backpack off. Set that down against the tree. Pulled the gilly suit out, grab my rifle, and I loaded it.

When I loaded it, I heard something. I looked up and there's that freaking thing coming at me at a rate of speed that I can't even them at, they can't even describe. I've never seen a cheetah run before in real life, only on TV, but it's still not used you the clarity on how fast they can move. This thing is just moving at me. Now, Danny can't see it because the tree's blocking the view. This thing's coming at me on the right, on the left hand side of the tree, because I'm looking, I'm leaning to my left looking around this tree and this thing's moving right at me. And I hip shot, I just brought the gun up and just out of, I couldn't even.

move my feet, I just swung the gun up from my hip and squeezed. And this thing hit the ground and slid. Now I'm left-handed again. Like I said, so my right hands on the stock of this gun when I squeezed off. When it hit the ground and slid, I'm actually going through the motion. I reached down. I always carried that pistol. You cannot, at that time, you could, I couldn't carry concealed.

I had to have it down low. So I built my own poster. that stayed just above my knee, my left hand on my left hand side. As it slid past me, I pulled that gun out and fired two rounds. Boom! And it slid a good eight feet and then landed where its head and part of its shoulder in the water. But it wasn't all way in a while. It was because the tree roots were holding some of the ground up.

So it was just, I don't know if you ever seen a tree do that next to the water where it really, really didn't, wasn't tapered into the water. It was just like a drop off. It was probably six inches from the six inch little tree boots holding up before it hit the water. And I looked over at him. And now he's, Danny, he's just puking. And he goes, what? I said, Danny, get yourself.

What the hell you're doing? He's like, dude, I fucking told you this, that thing is not natural. What the hell is that? He's just wigging out. I said, let's, I said, we need to, we need to go up and talk to the, to the owner. I need to, I just, I don't know what that. the hell of this thing is we got to go up there and talk to him. So we packed up all of our crap and walked back to the main road and walked up the hill,

up the main road up the hill. And he's house set on the right-hand side at the top of this hill, probably about three-quarters of mile up. And I knocked on the door, he answered the door. And I said, and he was like, hey, are you guys doing? It's good. And I said, I hate to bother you, but I think I killed it. And he looked at me and his face just, he went from nice to see you look to, holy shit, look. You could see his hand stopped the shake.

He looked over at his wife. His wife was in the kitchen and he said, honey, they killed it. And she said, get rid of it. And he said, so then he looked back at me and he said, where is it? And I said, right at the edge of the swamp down here at the bottom of the hill. He said, meet me down there. I'll be down to the tractor right. And she said in two seconds, just give me a minute.

He said, I get my boots on. So we started back down. Before we got halfway down the hill, he was coming in behind us with the tractor. He had a big John Deere, a big load of bucket in the front. So we walked over to it. He came in the gate, which is what he actually preferred us to use, but we didn't. But anyways, he had to pull these old Cedar Post out and get in through the gate, come into the gate. He pulled up behind it, and he said,

open it up. And I said, what? He says, got it. Open it up. I want you to cut it open. And I said, what the hell do I need to cut it open for? He goes, I need you to stuff a big rock in that damn thing because I'm pushing into this swamp.

We're going to get rid of it. And I said, what the hell is it? And he goes, the hell if I know, all as I know is it's got to be what killed my freaking bowl. He goes, look at it. Look at his claws. I said, I don't want to look at it. He said, just got, just open it up and stick a rock.

in it. So he tells me, he goes, you open it and he pointed it to my buddy. He goes, and you go get a rock off that wall right now. So he, Danny was like, okay, he just ran over and grabbed the rock. I gutted it. Well, I wouldn't say gutted it. I just opened it up. He said, stick it way up inside of his chest cavity. Now I heard you say on episode 941, I just been listening to it. I listened to it probably five times in the past two weeks. that these things seem to be bulletproof. A lot of people who fire rounds at and hit them. I've heard people say that they've shot them with shotguns and see half their pectoral muscle flop off and they don't even flinch and this and that. They just look at you like you're just hit him with a BB gun or a spitball.

So when I gut it open, I noticed that when I stuffed the rock inside, the bone structure and its chest seemed to have, maybe it's my imagination, probably was. My heart was pounding. I was going to puke. I didn't know what it was. I couldn't even hear out of my ears because my heart was just pounding so hard.

But it seemed to me that the rib cage, and I've shot a lot of deer, a lot of animals, was thicker than a dog or a raccoon or any other damn thing. Coyote, whatever. So I pushed that rock in it. And I said to him, he goes, he says, And I looked at him and I said, there, are you happy? And he said, where'd you hit it? And I said, hell if I know, I didn't even know I freaking hit it. All I know is it just freaking slit across after I fired off that round.

He said, it's funny. He said, I heard you shoot. He jumped off a tractor and started poking around with it. And he pointed, he goes, look, this is where you hit it. I hit it right on its left side of its head, right close to its collarbone, right next to its neck. So that round has to have gone in close to his neck and went through its heart. And that's what put it down. So probably a shit luck shot is what I called it.

Because from what I've heard, from what you guys have been expressing through the past seven years that I've listened to your show and other shows is that they seem to be bulletproof or non-affected by round or whatever. I guess it was just a lucky shot. and then he pushed it off into the marsh and we just kept pushing on it with sticks until it just loaded, you know, sunk underneath the mud and that was the end of it. Wow, what an encounter.

Yeah, I don't know if they're bulletproof or not. Seems like a lot of eyewitnesses I've talked to who've claimed to have shot them said they don't go down or they'll shoot them and they're like, I know it hit it and then they can't find it. And it's a pretty amazing count that you hit this thing. I mean, how close, how far away from you was it when, when you shot?

12 feet, if that, maybe 10. No, it was probably about 12 feet, 12 to 12 to 15 feet maybe. I mean, because when I, by the time I, I just pulled, I just bolted that bolt forward and put that round in. And I heard something, I look up and this thing's coming through this tall grass. He hadn't mowed that field. He said he didn't use that field. since that bull's been killed. And that grass was well over three feet tall all the time. I used to hide in it and wait for the geese and ducks to fly over, and we'd pop up and shoot a few because we used it for cover pretty well.

So it was probably a good 12 to 14 feet somewhere around there. And like I said, it was just a, and I just swung and got up and a boom. And down it went, and it just slid right past me. I mean, it was moving that fast that it just slid across the top of the grass. Yeah, you're just reacting at that point, and it does sound like a lucky shot, but I can understand reacting and just pulling the gun up and shooting. You had run into this thing before. Do you think it was coming to kill you this time? I do.

I really do. I mean, it looked, it was looked right at me. It wasn't moving that fast to come over and shake my hand. I'll tell you that. The weird thing is, I keep here and I've heard so many stories on these things. and for it to smile or smirk to give you that damn scary-ass sense of feel or whatever to look at you and go, like he's looking at you and going, I just scared the shit out of you. I swear, we've never had any problems like that prior for years since I was 15.

We never had anything that was that aggressive come from this thing. And when we left, I had told Danny, you know, during with during school, not during school, but I told him that work, because he worked in the same company that I worked for. I told him, I says, you know, I saw it during the winter, just this past winter before, you know, just before Christmas. And he goes, what do you mean?

I said, yeah, I tracked it down. I said, I went into the swamp up into that marsh area above the pond and I said, and I tracked it. And I said, I did fine, I told them about it. And he goes, well, what did you do? I said, well, I told him how it, you know, how it came out of the den, and I told him exactly what I just told you,

at the time, tie my, up my snow shoes and all that crap. And I turned around and I told them that I, that I hollered at it and told that someday I'm going to have to put you down. And he goes, well, what the hell's you do that for, you know? I said, because I'm going to have kids someday and I don't need this thing coming at me when I have kids out here, which I never did after. I just didn't. But, and he goes, well, Jesus, you think it understood you, you know, I think

it understood you? I'm like, no, come on. Well, after when we were walking home. he said to me, he was hauling at me. He goes, I friggin' told you that that damn thing understood what you said to it and you hauled to it over that pond. I said, dude, you don't know that. He goes, why else would it friggin come at you like that?

It's just kind of weird. Yeah, these things are strange for sure, but so is Sasquatch. I mean, Sasquatch is weird too. I wanted to ask you, after you shot it and you're down there with the old man with the tractor, what were some of the details that stood out to you? Because, I mean, you're like right on top of this thing. I'm right on it. I'm right on it.

I mean, like it was jet black, but it had, like, a lighter color, not really white and not really gray. It's like a silver's color under on his belly side. It was started at its chest. It was female, by the way. I didn't see any male parts of it. You could see the nipples down, you know, not only just on its chest where the muscles were, where the chest muscles were, but down each side, just like you would a normal female dog. The hair was thinner on its stomach.

Again, an inch, inch and a half around the whole body, thinner around the bottom parts of the legs, heavier around the back side of its head down towards the center of its shoulder blades. We didn't roll it around or anything like that. the left because it's when it landed and slid it slid on its right hand side so and I didn't move it from there I just gutted it right where it was laying um well nice I keep saying gutted it I didn't gut it usually when you gut it you pull look outside I didn't gut it I just opened it up um again the that left hand I call it a hand because it looked like it looked like I mean raccoons to me have hands I mean they use them they open their hands I

grab things, they wash things, they use them. It's just like that. It was like a raccoon's hand and the claws on that thing were a good inch and a half of two inches long. Just solid black, rugged, rugged, the mouth was hanging open a little bit,

a little bit. The teeth on that thing, I swear to God, they were like, it had more teeth than it needed. It's the only thing I could say, and I've heard people say that too, that it has more teeth than it actually needed. I don't know. I've heard people say, well, almost like when they close and they self-sharpen.

I don't know about that. I didn't try and trump his jaws around. I was just, I just wanted it to be over. I just wanted it gone. And the farmer just kept saying, just hurry up. We need to get rid of it before somebody drives by. When you were looking at this thing and it sprawled out and you guys are, you know, you're cutting it open, putting a rock in it so you guys can bury it.

And you're looking at this saying. what was, I mean, was there anything, as you looked at it, did you think, wow, this is natural? Or did it seem like something very not normal, unnatural? Was there anything like that that stood out to you when you were looking at it? I've heard you ask that to so many people. I don't know if it was unnatural. I've heard people saying, oh, this scientific experiment. I don't believe that.

I don't think it was a scientific experiment. I think it was just evolution part of it. I mean, you look at the pyramids. I mean, the Egyptian god knew this. I mean, those things weren't on the wall because some clown decided to make a mask. I think that maybe these people knew what they were. Maybe these people had them as, you know, bodyguards or, you know, they patrol the area or something like that. You know what I mean?

I don't think they were just a, they're definitely not some. hybrid that somebody created in a lab. I mean, I think it goes, it goes too far back, in my opinion. And, of course, opinions like buttholes just because everybody has one, doesn't mean you have to believe in it or listen to it. Oh, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't think the U.S. government created this thing. I think they've been around a lot longer.

But, you know, just their movement and how they, kind of like, you know, that creepy smile, that one time you guys were in the treehouse. And as it's walking off, it kind of turns back and gives you that creepy smile. I mean, to me, it seems like there's something very off about them. And you've seen them on two legs. You've seen them on four. When it was charging you, was it coming at you on two legs or was it on all fours?

Four. It was on four. That's how I got that shot through the collarbone. Right. Well, I shouldn't say through the collarbone. It was right close. Between a collarbone and a neck. It was coming at me.

four on all four. It was moving. Makes me wonder if that old man knew way more than what he was telling you at that time. You know, he probably looked at you guys as just a bunch of kids, but makes you wonder if he knew more than just his bull was killed

if he had seen the same because of his reaction, he couldn't wait to get in that tractor and dump it. You know what I mean? Yep. And the funny thing is, the weird to see his face, like I said, go from, hey, how are you guys doing to holy Jesus, you killed it, you know what I mean? And just that look of holy crap.

And he turned around, look at his wife, and he said, honey, they killed it. Did you and your friend ever have any more conversation with the old man, you know, prior to dumping it or after dumping it about what this thing was? I asked him. I said, I lost what I told him. I said, what the hell you think it is? He says, I don't know what the hell it is, but we just need to get rid of it. and nobody needs, nobody else needs to know about it, or, you know, we don't want to dig into it.

That's all he said, is we're just going to leave it day. He said, we'll get rid of it and be done with it. And, and you know what the funny thing is, and this is why what I said when I started listening to these podcasts, because I just, I'm old school and I just got a smartphone. I'm like, oh, what is all this crap? You know, I started going on YouTube and hearing all these, you know, all these podcasts. I'm like, what is this dog man crap? you know what I mean?

And so when they started describing it, for me, I almost had a mental breakdown kind of, because I thought what I killed was the only damn thing on the planet. The only thing that existed like that, other than being in the damn sci-fi movies on TV, I thought I did the world of favor by getting rid of it. It really did. And then I started hearing all these.

podcast and I'm like you gotta be kidding me you know that Oklahoma Bigfoot guys I remember their names but those guys were going and big into that Wiley Dave that Wild Dave Wild coyote Dave whatever hell his name was he said he saw one out on a plane somewhere in Oklahoma or something like that on the oil fields or something and I listened to that and I was like Christ I thought I can kill the only one until back in when I was 51 years old. It was about six years ago. I mean, I'm jumping ahead, but.

Yeah, you went from 20 and not seeing anything, and then when you were 51, there was another incident, and I know you're going to come back for Part 2 to talk about that. What do you think that these Dogman are? I know we touched on it a little bit earlier, but what are your thoughts? I mean, if someone were to ask you, what is this saying you shot that you were running into all the time out there? How would you answer that? I have no freaking clue what the hell they are.

I don't know if they're natural or, I mean, they're there. I mean, I know I've heard people are saying how Bigfoot can be there one minute and go behind a tree. and then the next thing you will then tree and they're not there. And I didn't see anything suspicious or anything abnormal as that. I mean, like I said, I saw it in a den. It looked like it had it. That's where it lived as far as I know. You know what I mean?

Was it a normal being on this planet? I don't know whether it was something that somebody made, you know, back in the Egyptian days, I don't know. I mean, who the hell knows how or where and when these things came about or if they were somebody else put them here? I don't know. And then they just, I mean, maybe if the Egyptians had them back then, use them for guards or for some reason for their,

for families or whatever. And then they just didn't have any use for them anymore. And they just kind of blended back into the forest and just did their, own thing on their own ways. I don't know. But all I know is they get some extraordinary speed. Yeah, most eyewitnesses I've spoken with who've run into this saying, they talk about the speed and the agility. The other thing they also talk about is kind of a sinister,

an evil presence about it, kind of like when you guys were in the treehouse and you were shining the light on it and it kind of turned back to give you that sinister smile. They seem like they really enjoy terrifying people. They have to have some sort of a sense of or understanding of either putting fear into them or a human speech or some sort of speech or something. I'm not saying they can talk, but more of an understanding. You know what I mean?

I mean, the damn thing knew it was scaring the shit out of us. For it to smirk like that, I mean, come on, you know what I mean? Yeah, I agree with you. There's something very off about it, something very strange. You know, when I have people on eyewitnesses that have claimed to have shot Sasquatch, there's quite the outrage. But you never really hear any outrage when the dogman gets shot. You know, I don't know what that thing is. I know people are running into it. I've had way too many eyewitnesses that come forward and share what they've seen, much like you, Dave. And, and, I don't know. Across the board, people are very consistent on what they're saying. I can't wait to do a part two with you, but I really appreciate you coming on the show and sharing what happened to you 40 years ago. I appreciate the offer and being able to do this with you because it's been quite a few years. I've been weighing this on my mind. I mean, after, and I did have to, I'm not going to lie, I did, after I'd shot it, I did have to go have therapy.

I didn't say what it was. I did. I just said I was just struggling with some stuff. And it took me a good, almost a year of therapy that I had to go through with in my hometown. What a gentleman. Just to try and work this out to try and get it through my head that it was justified. And it wasn't something normal and something or natural that was out there. Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

Not normal and not natural. They're very strange. Thank you again, Dave. Yep, no problem. And that's it for tonight, everyone, remember. If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com,

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