Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:953 I Think We Snuck Up On It

Episode Date: May 13, 2023

Benny writes "Me and my buddy, Joe, where south of Bradshaw TX. This will be in the fall, 1989. We were crossing the creek in the truck with the headlights off . Had the dogs in the back trying to catch the scent of a coon crossing the road because the wind was up. Joe said to flip the headlines on because there's a game warden that usually sits at the top of the hill when you come out of the creek. When I turn the headlights on something blew up in the fence line, right next to the truck, scared the crap out of Joe and he was headed up the embankment same direction we were going. When I looked over, I initially thought it was a buffalo. I could see a shoulder and his back. It was on all fours. The back road, we were on had a quick left turn then right turn down the fence line that would put us in the path that it was headed. When I made the right turn down the fence line, it turn right beside us and stood up and ran down the tree line about 5 to 6 strides then back into the tree line, heading down towards the creek Somewhere around 7 foot tall never stood directly straight up, ran bent over freaking super wide at the shoulders, narrowed down to the hips and really muscular, butt and legs. It was a brownish, reddish color, never saw the face the it's left side in his back never got directly in the headlights. It was a very bright Moonlit night with a storm coming in and the wind blowing. That's why we did not unleash the dogs to run track. Are usually come in from the north. That night we came in from the south wind in front of us. The water was running across the crossing with a bunch of rocks. Making a lot of noise because of the rain we just had that day. I honestly think we snuck up on it."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six years. This is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a bouncer?

Yes, I'm looking right in. Uh-huh. This is Limbaugh from Dallas, Texas. We're about to go on another amazing journey with Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. In the United States, I hope wherever you're at, you're staying cool because we're cooking here in the Pacific Northwest.

I guess summer's here. We just skipped spring. but I thank you again for being here. I just wanted to complain about the heat. Tonight we'll be chatting with Benny, and Benny comes to us from Texas. And back in 1989, he was out with his good friend Joe. They were hunting, and they had a run-in with one of these creatures.

And Benny has some very interesting details. I don't know that I've heard before, but I'll let him kind of go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Benny to the show.

Benny, thanks for coming on. Thank you, Wes. Glad to be here. Yeah, and I know this encounter that you had, you were with your good. friend Joe who's passed away. And before we get into the encounter, I know two years prior you, you guys were out there hunting, and you guys saw this weird light in the woods. I think this is around 1987.

If you would, take me back to that day. What were you guys doing and what happened? Well, my friend Joe and I had decided to go out and knock the rest off our dog, our coon dogs at the time. We had some walker hounds. And there's a lake that had been built back in years and years ago out of Lake Fort Panham, which is north of Avalene, Texas. So we decided to go up there and just do a little quick hunt. It's got nice big oaks and there's a lot of coons in there.

And you can go in and tree and get out within an hour or so and get back to the house. So we loaded our dogs up and we went in on the west side and we drove across the dam. and we parked over on the north side of the dam is kind of the northeast corner of the dam and he can park there and it goes down into the valley where the spillway is and that's that's what the trees are. So we let our dogs go and we're just sitting there. It's been probably 10 or 15 minutes and nothing struck.

The dogs didn't strike, wouldn't hear nothing going on. And we're seeing a light on the dam. and we're just sitting there talking about our, you know, what had happened during the day. And Joe says, you know, that sure is a quiet motorcycle on the dam because usually when anything runs across the dam, it's loud. It goes out of the lake. And I said, yeah, it's kind of weird. I'm sitting there and it's got our focus now. We're both watching the light.

And it's kind of a white with a blue tint, kind of like the new lights that they have on the cars now. But then they really didn't have that light yet. so light goes out. So Joseph, he says, I wonder why he stopped on the dam. It beats me, maybe you're looking around. Well, about that time, the light comes back on, but it's off the dam, and it's down between the dam in the trees. And we're sitting there watching it.

It starts towards it, and it's weaving in and out of the trees. And you can see it go behind the tree, but the light wouldn't block completely because, you know, there's light on both sides of it. And I'm sitting there watching it. I turn and look to look at Joe to see what he thought. Well, Joe's gone. He decided he didn't want none of that.

So I looked up and he's headed to the truck. So I follow up behind him and he jumps in the truck. And I get in the truck with him and he chunks, he chunked gravel getting out. And instead of crossing the dam, he goes the other way, which is about a four or five more mile route to get. get home. And I'm sitting there and said, Joe, man, just calm down. No big deal. Just calm down. We need to go back and get the dogs. He said, screw them dogs. We're not getting dogs. I said, Joe, you know, we need to go with the dogs. And he says, well, we'll stop at the station. I'm going to stay there and you take the trip. You take the truck back and get the dogs.

I said, okay, so I'm kind of worried now because we're about four or five miles already away from the dogs. And dogs are pretty expensive. I didn't, I don't want to lose my dog. So we pull over and stop, he gets out and he's calming down. And station we stop at has a bench there in front of it. He sits down and I said, Joe, I'm going to go back and get the dogs. He says, okay, I'm never going to hunt this place again. Well, we hear some scratching in the back of the truck. So I'll walk over and flip my light on a look and all three dogs are under the toolbox of the truck. They are between the dog box and the toolbox. And this is like a little Nissan pickup truck. So there was a tight fit.

So we had to slide the box out, and sure enough, all three dogs were there. So we never, he told me, we're not going to discuss the lights, we're going to go home. I got the dogs out under the box, and we went home. And we told a couple of people about it, and, you know, they made fun of us, you know, fun of us about it. So we decided not to tell that story no more. Yeah, the lights can be very confusing at times. People mistaken for different things.

I mean, I myself have mistaken it for someone walking with a flashlight. I could see why you guys would think maybe someone's up there with a motorcycle. How big was this light and did it make any noise? No noise at all. The light was probably about the size of a headlight on like a motorcycle. It's probably, I would say, 10 inches. across. You know, it wasn't a basketball size. If I had to say anything, a little bit bigger than a softball, I would think. Yeah, and I know you were telling me prior to us coming on the air,

there's kind of a backstory or history to this light with a lady who lost her baby. I wonder if that light had been seen part of that, that rumor or that story going around. I had heard the lot had been seen in the past, and that was one of the reasons we hadn't hunted that area in lots, you know, because, you know, he was really superstitious, and I'm pretty superstitious too, so we kind of would take our chances. And we had, we'd been out there six or seven times and never had an issue at all. But those times, there was always a lot of traffic.

You know, this time there wasn't much traffic. at all. You know, come think about it. I don't think we saw a single car the whole night. Yeah, and I know we're going back 36 years ago, and I don't know how much of these lights were being talked

about openly with the public, but, you know, back in 1987, what did you think that light was? Just an orb. I mean, that's something I could think it is. I don't think it's a spirit. Because there's another set of lights down here in Texas over in Santa Ana, they go up to the mountain.

And I saw those years and years back, and, you know, it's just an orb. That's something I can think of. I don't think, you know, in my opinion, it's just a natural thing that's going to happen. You know, that's something I can think of because as in spirit, I'm not sure about all that. Yeah, I can understand that. And it sounds like from the encounter, Benny, you were fascinated by the lights and your buddy Joe was terrified. Had your friends seen the lights before? Yeah, I never asked him, but I'm pretty sure he probably has or had some sort of an encounter like that in the past because he was, every time we hunted that place, he was always nervous.

I'm probably 100,000 times with that man. and some of the, you know, in brush and in some strange areas, and being shot at and getting called for trespass. And he never, never flinches. And then this time here, he's just, you know, every time we hunted the, every time we hunted the dam, he was always on edge. And we never stayed there more than like an hour.

We would go in, you know, get a coon tree, and get out. It was just kind of one of those spots to where it was easy. easy to get it done. And so I thought this time we could, I thought he thought that we could get in there, get it done, and not see the light. I gotcha. But you guys ended up seeing it. And the lights are fascinating to look at. I can't really say it's fear when you see them.

It's more confusion. But they are very strange. And there's a lot of places in Texas where those lights pop. up places that are well known. Two years later, you and Joe are hunting and he had a very different encounter than just seeing lights. How far away from this next incident that we're going to talk about from when you guys saw the lights, how far away are these two places?

It's a long distance. It's probably I would go with 60, 70 miles. Complete different country, too. where the lake is, it's kind of desolate. You know, if there's a tree there, somebody planted it, you know what I mean? It's just not forestry. I understand. These are two different places, pretty far apart.

So we're going to 1989. This is two years later. What were you doing? And what happened? Yeah, this is a little bit of a longer story, but Joe had gotten a new, I don't remember if he got a trader for a dog or got a new dog. And it was during the week and there was a northern that came in a front and it had rained a lot.

So usually we lived on a creek, sometimes we hunted a creek behind the house. Sometimes we would go up to the brasses and hunt sometimes up to another area. Well, the water was running at all of all of these areas. So we decided not to hunt that. So he wanted a good, easy, you know, place to go hunt. So we decided to go south down to Bradshaw.

Now, you got to remember, coon hunters are not stealthy. Because when we pull in a place, we drop a tailgate, we get lights out, eating a sandwich, drinking a coat, and getting the dogs out, and getting everything leaks. So I think that's going to play a part in this. So anytime we go to Bradshaw, we always hunted on what they call Bluff Creek, there's a little creek just south of the town there. So for the last 10 years, every time I went to Bradshaw, we go through Bradshaw, go down past the church, and come in from the north, and it was elevated. The north side was higher.

Then there was the creek, then it dropped off. It's probably a good 15 or 20 foot there. So this time, we just had to be able to. decided to go further down the road and the creek went under the highway. So we went down there to see if the creek was up and flowing. Because if it's flowing a bunch, we're not going to hunt because dogs are not good in water with a coon because, you know, there's a chance that they can drown. So we go down there and it's up, but it's not a bunch.

It's flowing good. It's moving. So we decided to maybe go on. in on the south side and take a look. So we go in on the south south side and we had hunted at south side probably three or four times, not not a bunch because there's a lot of snakes on that side. So we we get in there and we stopped and we turned the lights off and the wind's coming out of the north blowing into our our face. So we don't want to he's got a dog named chief which is a go yonder dog if you unleash that dog he's going to go until he finds a coon he may go 20 miles

you never know well with the wind if we're on the north side he's going to get away from us in the sand in the wind it's going to carry the sound and and we are we are not not going to find them well there's a whole bunch of cows over there just raising cane so this new dog we don't know what the dog will will chase the cow or not. And it's kind of odd for cows to be raising cane. So we're like, well, we don't want to let out here. So the second plan, he still wants to hunt. So the second plan is we're going to turn the lights off and drive real slow

and take chief out and put him in the back of the truck on a chain. And he's good enough to where if a coon has crossed the road, he's going to pick up scent and bark. And then we're going to be able to let the other dogs out and then chase the coon So that's our plan. So we can hear the creek is up and running and there's a crossing just in front of us. We got to go down and make it right hand turn. This crossing has a bunch of rocks and you can hear the ripples and you know we can hear it's kind of like a waterfall south. Well one thing we know about up there is that the water is real clear and when you're up there you can see the fish in the bottom of the water. Now there's other thing I want to add to this. It's going to come into play in

a minute. A couple of months before this, I had been at a match horse race and I had seen a Buffalo run and he raced another horse. So you'll see where this comes into play. So we got headlights off and inward driving slow and got cheap leased up and I'm driving his truck. He's got the windows down. He's on the passenger side. I'm driving along and we get to this one spot where you have to turn right and cross the creek and you go up a hill and the creek's going to be to uh we're going to cross the creek to the right is the bank and it's a a ditch uh five wire fence and there's an area where they take a dozer and they plow a fire break where they can work on the fence we had never gone this here direction so we're going that uh that their direction and we get to the creek

And Joe says, you know, you need to flip the lights on because the game warden usually sits at the top of this hill. He has, I mean, we have been caught by him, you know, not caught, but we have run into him probably 15 times. He always sits right on top of that hill. Well, I flipped the lights on to make that turn, and I give the truck a little gas to get up the hill and something on the right side bust out. I mean, it comes out of the creek, and there's a little bit of brush there, and it's going up the side of us. I glance over, and I think it's the buffalo. You've got the big shoulders, and it's the reddish-brownish, and the hair in the center of his back is standing straight up.

So Joe is going, he's not looking at me. He's looking at it, and he's going, crap, crap, crap, go, good go. And he's banging on the door of the truck. I give a gas, and I go up the hill. Well, at the top of the hill, we got to turn back right, and we're going to meet this thing. So I hit the gas a little bit and I picked up a lot of speed and getting up there. Sure enough, we ended up meeting it. And by then I realized it really wasn't a Buffalo because when we met it, it stood up.

It's like he ran into the upright position. Because one minute his hands down, he pulls, his arms comes back and he's up. It's like the momentum of it had gone forward helping stand up. And when it stood up, it turned right, but he never stopped. Because, you know, the fence, we've got a fence to the right side, then it makes a complete right angle at the top of the hill. I mean, and then the creek goes back to the right. So we had to go left a little bit.

And so we went away from him for about two or three feet. Then we made that sharp right-hand turn, and that's where he's. should have ran into us. It was like he ran into a standing position and he never stopped. I guess he had to pivot, but I didn't see it. And he just come up on two legs and went right and was freaking, I watched him go down the tree line and they just dropped into the tree line. And, you know, with the truck running, I couldn't hear any crashing through the limbs. I think he knew where he was going. And it went probably, I would say, 60, 70 yards and about four or five strides and turned back into the woods. And when it stood up, the hair on this back that was up become a crease.

And it's just shoulders and massive arms and arms were swinging. And the bottom part of your leg, the tibia, I guess, it seemed real long and the calf seemed short. and I had to go back on this because the wind, the wind was blowing, but the moon was out that night and so bright that we can see to dry without the lights on. And you can see across the field and you can see shapes and you can see the top of the trees. So we got a good image of him running away from us. And his hair was not real thick, but not. real thin, you know, just kind of hard to describe, but it was a reddish, brownish tint. And his shoulders were like double shoulders, the top of shoulders went up,

then there was like another hump that went to where you would think the person's neck would be was his head. So we never saw his face. We just saw him going away from us. And after his shoulders, you come down his torso, and that was freaking huge. It's probably four foot wide, but it dropped off in his hip. It got kind of narrow, but then he had like a bubble butt. You see like the runners, you know, the big old butt dropped off to just some freaking massive legs. It was just freaky the way it happened. And it probably took maybe 10 or 12 seconds.

It wasn't long at all. But when he'd come up that hill, he was grunting like a buffalo. And he had his front, he was on all fours, and he had his front hands down, and he's pushing off on his hands, like lunging forward just like a buffalo whenever it takes off. But whenever he hit that top and he met us, I mean, it was, you know, I didn't know what to think. At that time, I wasn't scared. I know Joe was, but after he disappeared, I got scared. You know, it's kind of like a car crash.

You don't get scared during the crash, but after a crash, it scared the crap out of you. Because, you know, we're in a little Nissan 2,200 pickup truck. He could have ate it. But this whole time, Joe's pounding on the side, he's pounding on his door, and he said, go, go, go, go, go. And we ended up getting out there. We ended up getting out of, you know, We got out to the main road.

I put Chief back in the box and went to Tuscola and got us to Dr. Pepper because we were done. We have not been there. But the one thing about that area, West, we call it the zoo down there because there's Nutria, there's ringtail, there's freaking bocats. There's got me some massive, massive white-tailed deer on there and hogs. So if you're going to be any place with a food. source that'd be it you can know what I mean when we first saw him he was probably I would say six to eight feet here right next to the truck and whenever we met up at the corner here's probably eight eight to ten feet and he was right

next to Joe the whole time because you're talking we're on a single lane road and there's a ditch and a ditch is probably two foot wide a Bob Bob our fence and then that road and that that that little road you're dry on it's probably six feet wide and he was more towards the fence side than was the tree side we were close you know we didn't smell anything of course we were moving in a truck too and uh and you know the creek always has that smell to it always has that wet wet water smell you know i've heard people say they smell something. We didn't smell nothing. But all I know is that we never saw

a space. I wish we could have saw it. I don't know if I wish it could have saw his face or not, because it might have been more there than I wanted to see. The main thing in my head, this is going to sound the stupidest thing you probably ever heard on your show, but he had a real big butt crack. I mean, it's just because when you're trying to look, that was like, you know, your eyes always focus on one one thing.

I was like, I mean, he just, just that the way he was built, just that was one thing you picked out. Yeah, I can assure you, Benny, I've heard stranger details, believe me. But I get that moment of, you know, when you're seeing something and you're just trying to process what you're seeing and you kind of walk in on, on one or two things. And I can see why you would say Buffalo. I mean, it's a little weird. I don't know if you guys have Buffalo down there, but, you know, with the wide shoulders,

you see it running on all fours. It reminds me of, you know, like when Hunter sees, you know, Sasquatch, they'll go, you know, I saw this really weird looking bear. And then as they're describing it, there's nothing about it that sounds like a bear. I'm wondering, when you see it running on all fours, and you guys are kind of parallel,

it and then you get up to the point where you cut it off. And it pops up on two legs. What's going through your mind at that point, seeing it get up on two legs and take off running? I think the word, oh, shit, is pretty much what went through your mind. Because, you know, just, I had never seen anything do that. And it was effortless.

I mean, he didn't, it just stood up. But whenever he did, he was turning at the same time. time. So he's right at the right front corner of the truck and we're fixing a meet. And I thought he's going to run through through the fence. And he just stands up and pivots and turns right. And he goes, he goes away from us. At any point did you think, gosh, is that a guy?

No, not at all. There are no way. No. No, no, not any point. Now you got to remember we got those exotic ranks. here. So we we have been out hunting and seen, you know, zebra and ostriches and kangaroos and all the other crap, you know, so buffalo wasn't too far fetched because we're only at, at that spot, we're probably 20 miles south of Buffalo Gap, which they have buffalo

and Buffalo Gap. So, you know, where you're at, the start of common animal down here at that time they were raising them for food and meat and all that stuff so there was buffalo farms around this so you know joe never thought that i did because the first thing i saw was the shoulder in the color and the way it moved you know but i only thought that for probably two or three seconds and then i've like i don't know what the crap that is i mean it sounds like you guys startled this thing what do you make of that whole situation why it took off the way it did i mean this thing's seven feet tall. I think it was down there fishing.

Because right there where he was at, there's like a lot of flat rocks. We have been down there fishing. And you can look down the water and there's catfish all in there. And it's only probably 18 inches deep, maybe a foot. And, you know, we have shot him with 22s

and, you know, because it's so shallow there. And I think with the water running and that noise and us just idling along, we struggled it. And we have always, me and Joe talked about this, we've always come in from the north, and we pull in that spot up there, which is about another 300 feet down a road, and we dropped hellgates, and we turn lights on,

we're talking BS and all that. So if you're up there, the sound echoes down into the creek and through that valley area. So when we pull in, everybody knows we're there. But I've always wondered over the years, because we always come in next to the church and come down, and it never fails. Probably out of the, you know, oh, two out every three times the game warden would be sitting there waiting on us. And it always asks us, you know, y'all see anything? How's it going?

You know, so I'm wondering if they knew something that we did not know or I did not know. well, you might have known about it. Yeah, I want to ask you, what was the conversation like with Joe after this whole incident? We didn't talk for until we got to Tuscola, which is about, I think, six, seven miles north of there. So we got out there and we're talking. I asked Joe what it was. He says, you know, some sort of, you know, some sort of booger or some sort of, you know, that's another word we use down here. and he said, you know,

he said, we're not saying anything. I said, you don't, you don't tell anybody. We just want to tell, let's just go home and tell them. We didn't get anything. We didn't catch anything. Didn't have any luck. And for about a month there, I didn't even talk to Joe. You know, we didn't.

And then finally we just went on, went on back to hunting again, and nothing was ever said. So, you know, to me, I kept it. quiet for 30 years. This is, I think you're the third person I've told the story to. I'm honored that you'd share it with me, Benny. You know, I know this is many years ago, but during this time, did you guys ever go back to that spot?

He would not go back. I went back about three years later with a friend of mine. We went back and spotlighted around there just to see you. if we could see anything. But I didn't tell him, you know, I went down there with Steve, and I said, hey, you know, there's some big deer down here. Let's, you know, we can't shoot them, but, you know, a little bit south here. I got a friend that has a lease.

We can go down, and these deer, they move up and down. And there were some big old, big old deer in there. But we didn't like anything up. You know, we've seen some ring tail, and there's a bunch of nutria. which is like a big rat. I don't know if you got those there or not. But, you know, so that was, and there's a lot of berries and fruit trees and stuff in that area, too.

But I was looking at it on the map, and it's kind of changed a little bit from where we used to hunt it, you know, so. And I know this wasn't an aggressive encounter. Obviously, it was fleeing away from you guys, but it's still shocking to see them. And then to see the way they move, I mean, the way you describe it popping up from two legs to, from four legs to two legs,

all in one smooth motion, it pivots, and you saw how fast it can move and how big it is. And I know you Coon Hunters, you guys are out there at night, did it ever concern you ever going back out at night and maybe you're running into this thing again and maybe it wasn't fling this time? We never hunted that place again.

I could not get Joe to go down there. We switched over and we started hunting a brats of us and we started hunting a place called Chef, which is actually a little further south of there. But we never went back to Bradshaw. I asked them, I said, I asked them about, it's probably two months later and I said, you know, we can run down a Bradshaw

and hunt a little bit. And he said, I don't have any permission to hunt there no more. So, you know, without, without permission, you don't hunt nobody's place here. You end up getting shot or something like that. So, and I asked them several years later about hunting there. And he said, yeah, we don't, we don't have permission to hunt there no more. So we never did. We never did venture down there. And I kind of after that night, myself would have been a little freaking, you know, worried about hunting there. but if we go in like we normally went in and made the noise and stuff, I don't think we even had any issues.

We had hunted that place a hundred times, you know. And the one thing that I was thinking about over the last couple of days thinking about it, we did see one track in there, but that kind of throws it, there's a little screw hole that throws and all that. One of the guys we hunted with was always hunt barefoot. So I got you. So you kind of chalked up that footprint. It was probably that guy that didn't have his shoes on as opposed to this thing.

Yeah. And he used to hunt there too. So, you know, I like, and it, and it wasn't a big print, you know. Well, it was probably 12 inches across. I'm guessing it was bigger than my foot with the shoe on. I wear a size of nine and a half and then with the boot on it, a bit and bigger. And I can step in the middle of it. But, you know, you'll talk about all these howls and these calls and the whoops and stuff.

I'm pretty sure we heard all that, but we just didn't pay any attention. I know we heard tree, tree knocks, but I mean, at that time, nobody, you know, we did not know that even was a thing. Yeah, I'm always amazed by. hunters because they do blow that stuff off. You know, they'll hear tree knocks and they'll hear whoops and they'll hear screams. And I can't tell you, Benny, how many hunters I've talked to where they'll hear those sounds. And I guess if you're not looking for Sasquatch or you don't believe in it, it's easy to pass that off. But I'm always amazed a lot of hunters after an encounter, they'll go, you know, I've heard these

sounds before when I was out there. Yeah, I mean, it's just like, you know, there's exotic animals stuff around there. So we figured it was something like that or, you know, I've heard a lot of tree knocks in the woods and just, oh, their tree knocks, okay, you know, somebody's hitting something. You know, we, you know, it's kind of like we just bought a new toilet or four run. and I didn't notice those on the road until now and now they're everywhere. If I would have known that that was a thing, I would have been listening for it. Yeah, I think that's a really good illustration, Benny.

I was muted out kind of chuckling when he said that because I can relate to that, and I'm sure everyone in the audience can relate to that. It's like you buy a car and you drive around. You see everyone has that car. But before you bought the car, you never noticed them before. it's a fantastic illustration. I wanted to go back to a comment you made earlier about Joe, and I know Joe's not with us anymore and may rest in peace.

I know you guys were close, but you made a comment that you think Joe had run into these creatures before, and I was curious, what makes you feel that way? What makes you think that he had seen them before or had run into them before? Because he's always apprehensive about going in there. and I learned I was talking to my brother and he said that Joe had talked about that in the past about seeing, you know, we didn't hear it wasn't Bigfoot. It was a monster. So I didn't research it, but I didn't investigate it. So at that time, there was a town, there's a whole bunch of little towns there.

somebody had reported the lawn monster in lawn Texas, which actually goes down one of the creeks that come out of there and go go down there. So I went up there and I knew the lady that that run the grocery store and the lady that that that ran the cafe there and I spoke to them. They said, oh yeah, the police said it was a guy in a gorilla suit next to the restaurant. I said, okay. You know, because it, according to the report, a lady was driving down 277 and it ran next to her car. My little investigation on that was, that's what they said. And then there was another one, the GMED Creek monster, which GMED Creek actually feeds it down into Block Creek. I never found out anything about.

I talked to the guy that, that run the grocery store, Kuskola, which is. is Tuscoa and Geomnedd are the same place. Geomnedd is the Indian tribe that founded that town or whatever. We went up there and I talked to several people there. And there's really no, they had heard about it, but there's no information about it. Yeah, I think it's really cool, Benny, that you started investigating researching encounters around where you and Joe were at. And a lot comes out of Texas. There's a ton of encounters that come out of Texas.

And, you know, mainly you hear about East Texas, you know, because it's so dense, lush, swamp, forest. And it would make sense. But what's weird is you hear of encounters like in central and western Texas, which is more of a desert. There was a show I did a while back, and it was with a police officer. officer. And they were doing training for, I believe it was SWAT. It was a SWAT team coming back. And they were, I want to say it was near Abilene. I'll have to go back and listen to the encounter. But Abilene comes to mind for some reason. And they were all on this highway. And they were all on SUVs driving back to the station after the training. And these guys had seen it out in the field. And I remember

the cop told me he goes, I thought it was a huge bowl or something. something out in the middle of this field and it started bum rushing our caravan. And he thought it was going to hit the SUV was in. He was waiting for impact. And at the last moment, it turned and went the other way. But it was coming. It was coming for that SUV. And I'll have to dig up the show and send it to you.

But I do get encounters out of West Texas for sure. You know, I ask everyone on the show, Benny. And there's no wrong answer because no one knows. But what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your opinion? I would say it's something to do with a gorilla or like an ape. I mean, it's smart enough that it avoids us. It knows when we're we are there.

And I think just this one time, we just surprised it. But I, you know, I don't think it's something, a spirit or nothing. like that. It's it's flesh and blood, you know, and I think it can be killed. I think they have, you know, I've heard stories down there in the, uh, uh, not the Bradshire, but the Blackwell area, which is further south than that of a, of a rancher shooting one there back in, it had to be probably 60s, you know, a gentleman that told, that told me that story, he, he, he, he, he after you passed away a couple of years ago, too. But it was kind of one of those fishing trips.

It's like, hey, you know, they shot this monster thing over off the creek. Well, actually, it was another part of the creek that I was on. Yeah, and I know in your encounter, you never got a chance to see the face, but, I mean, you saw everything else. And you saw this thing the way it moved and the way it, how fast they moved, the size, how it's proportion. and you could be right. It could be a natural animal. Can I ask you as a hunter? And I know that you mainly hunt small game.

You guys are out there cune hunting, you know, but you're a hunter. You're an outdoorsman. Why do you think something so big, something so large? Why do you think we haven't been able to catch up with it? Does it ever cross your mind? I've always wondered about, I think it's because we're not, well, let's take an aspect deer hunting. Okay, you got, you know, deer's kind of a dumb, but you got thousands and thousands of people looking for deer. Okay.

And you only got a few hundred people, I guess, that are looking for this. So if you're not looking for it, you're not going to see it. And, you know, I can say there's been a lot of people that have been within, within 50 yards, I've never noted. You know, I have been, I have been within 10 or 15 feet of like a bobcat and not know it until I flip around and turn a light on. It's sitting in a tree above, above my head. I mean, so if you're not looking for it, I don't think you're going to see it. And the people of that are looking forward to so few that, you know.

Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, Benny. And to be honest with you, I think that's a fair argument. It's hard to argue with that. It's definitely a fair argument. And I think a lot of people do, these creatures probably have seen us more than we've seen them for sure. Let me ask you, if you had the chance, would you want to see another one? That's a difficult question, was? Yeah, I think so.

I think I would. I just want to, you know, it's kind of one of, I just want to confirm that in my mind, what I saw was what I saw. I know I had a confirmation from Joe. He saw it too, and we both agreed what it was, but you know, you still want to have that, to see that second one, you know, just I don't know how close I want to be.

I know, you know, coon hunting, like we did it, we didn't carry no guns. So I would have to be doing something else. The reason we didn't carry guns, I don't know if you don't know this or not, but if you shoot a coon out of a tree, a dog associates that their hunting got them that coon. So if you got a road hunter out next to you in it, they're shooting coyotes, your dog will go to that gunshot and they'll end up shooting your dog thing as a coyote.

So we never carried any type of weapons. We carried a pocketknock, which basically it. So if I'm going to do something like that, I'm going to, you know, I would, you know, 30 caliber or bigger and with the group. I don't, you know, I used to hunt by, by myself a lot. I don't think I'll ever do that again unless, you know, the areas that at a hundred, I knew pretty good. Well, I thought I knew them pretty good until this incident. You know, now I'm wondering, you know, you know, since I've listened to your show and done some research and stuff and know what these animals or creatures do, the noises they make and the signals and this, you know,

And, you know, like the whistling and the owl hoots and all that, going back in the woods it's going to be a whole different thing. You know, because now I'm going to have this different alert going. I'm going to be listening more rather than, you know, the thing we did when we were coon hunting was you look down so you don't step on the snake and you listen for the dogs. And any other sound you kind of blocked out. Your show has done so much to get my brain going on this, that, you know, we heard the owl sounds, we heard the tree knocks, and we used to hear the whoops,

but we just marked off the something else. But with that being said, this one big sum of the bitch down there's got to be, I hope there's no more bigger than he is. So there's got to be more than one if they were going back and forth. Yeah, it's an opinion, of course, but I don't think that they run around alone. I think when you see one, there's probably two or three. nearby that you don't see and I'm always amazed to

talk to hunters because hunters will they'll justify things kind of like what you're talking about with the sound well you know some guy out there banging on a tree or it's because you're focused on what you're doing as opposed to you're not looking for Bigfoot

it's far the same from your mind but I always like to get into the head of hunters because they're usually first to go what is that guy doing down there? Why is he walking that way or, man, that's a weird looking bear. You know what I mean? You know, the, him running on four legs what threw us off.

Because, you know, and then when he stood up, I made the right turn and I could see him through Joe's window, which was down. And then I could see the crease in his back and the muscles of both sides. And then, I mean, he's just, I got the images burned in my. my head. Yeah, I think the way you describe the hair, you know, kind of all standing up when he's on all fours. And then as he gets up on two legs, that hair kind of lays down on his back. I don't know that I've heard that before.

He had that Rhodesian Ridgeback look. You know what I'm talking about that dog? No. You've ever seen a Rhodesian Ridgeback? The hair in the center of the back stands up about two, two or three inches. he had that look when he was down on his all fours but as soon as he stood up you know it ended up being a crease you know it went like a muscle man's build on the back I'm assuming his head was bigger than what we saw because we just you know we saw and it wasn't long hair on his head but it was just like a round head

that's all you know and but he had his head down forward because he had he had his head down forward because he he was running the whole time. And I don't think he ever stood up completely because he was running like a person runs when they're leaned over. He never got vertical. There was arm movement, but I couldn't tell you how much that it was. You know, when a person runs, they seem to make like a fist and they'll move their elbow up and the swing. His arms were still down. He never moved him up. I don't know if he's, which I don't know. That's the only one I ever seen. So that's how he ran. Yeah, I understand, Benny. There's so many details to walk away from your account. Just hearing you recount it, there's so much to take away from it. And I know that Joe's gone now and may rest in peace.

and you guys kind of shared this moment in time. But I really appreciate taking this time to come on, ma'am. Joe was more like a dad. He was, I went to school with his son. So he was more like a dad figure than he was a friend. You know, he's one of those persons that when he goes to their life, he gives you advice and everything. But, you know, that being said, he is also a crazy little dude, man.

I love them because of that. Yeah, I've known a few guys like that in my life and, you know, not only sharing the encounter, but you get a chance to kind of share his memory as well. Well, thank you, Wes. I've started listening to a show a couple of years back, and I've always wanted to talk to you about it. You can give you a little Texas side of it. I know you get quite a bit of reports from the Northwest. I don't know how, you know, like the Michigan-Oh, Ohio stuff.

know how much stuff that you get from from here in Texas. But I didn't realize that it was actually like a big foot or saskwatch until probably last couple of years. We always thought it was just a monster. But listening to some of your descriptions, that's all it can be. Yeah, to answer your question, I get a ton of encounters out of Texas. I mean, a lot comes out of there. And, you know, as people coming forward sharing their encounters, that kind of puts all the

puzzle pieces together and I really enjoyed chatting with you, Benny. Thank you again. Okay. Thank you, Wes. It's been a great time. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. want it bad