Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:961 A Strange World We Live In

Episode Date: June 10, 2023

Nick from Tales From The Grid Square on Instagram joins me. Nick discusses his new book Tales From The Grid Square Volume 2: Stories of military paranormal experiences. Nick collects encounters from former and current military soldiers. We will also discuss the recent UFO incident in Las Vegas. Here is a link to his books: Tales From The Grid Square Volume 2: Stories of military paranormal experiences  

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six years. Mitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in.

This is Kernan from Minnesota, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We're going to be chatting with Nick Orden, which is his pen name, his author pin name. But I interviewed Nick many years ago. He's currently serving in the military out there in Hawaii. And what he does is he, soldiers will come forward.

and they'll share things that happened to them in Afghanistan or on training bases. And Nick would put them up on Instagram, Tales from the Grid Square, if you're on Instagram. And Nick was getting so many different accounts sent to him. He actually wrote a book. He wrote two of them. Tales from the Grid Square, Volume 1, and Tales from the Grid Square, Volume 2, stories of the military paranormal experiences. and you can get them both off of Amazon.

And I'll include links underneath this episode if you want to check out his book or go follow him on Instagram. But I'm happy to have Nick back, share some new accounts with us, along with this very strange picture he sent me. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Nick to the show. Nick, thanks for coming on. Thanks, Wes. Thanks for having me back.

I know it's been a while. In fact, I think, wow, when was the last time I came on? I think it was almost two years of the day. Yeah, it's been too long, Nick. It's been too long. It's good to chat with you again. and before we jump into encounters from your books or, you know, from the Instagram page, you had sent me this picture, and I'll put it underneath this episode.

And if people want to go and check it out, when I first looked at it, it looked like it was shot from an aerial view kind of looking down at this creature. Tell me about this picture. Where did you get it from and the people who took the picture? What's the story behind it? Awesome. Yeah. So I've been holding on to this one for a very long time, too.

In addition to a UFO in the book, I have a couple other ones. I'm not going to spoil them. I have three other ones that I, three pictures in this book that are really good. One of them, your readers will find interesting. Maybe a picture of the Jersey Devil. Maybe a picture of a ghost, the Hansa Training Area. And finally, kind of like the big one that got sent to me was sent in. by a guy. So as you know, like the border mission has been going on for a while.

Members of the National Guard and Army have been helping patrol the border and kind of like help the situation down there, right? So I spoke to an individual who, you know, he was an intelligence guy. And so full disclosure, this is not a, this is not like, you know, top secret or confidential or anything like that, right? So he was just, the where he was working, he just wanted to wait till he left. So he left. It's been like two years now. So I can finally share this image. So basically, I'll read you the story. So you see some weird stuff out here sometimes. I'm part of the Army National Guard, and I was called up for the border mission towards the end of 2020. It's a pretty bad situation down there, and federal resources were minimal. So they started using military resources, especially for surveillance.

I had it pretty good because instead of sweating my ass off or wrestling cartel goons, I just sat in front of a computer watching feeds. We had a ton of equipment, surveillance assets, and we're watching thousands of square miles 24-7, especially in remote areas. Nothing definite but some interesting things, like shadow people, apparations, wisps, and orbs. The craziest thing I saw wasn't on my watch, though. At one point, they sent my group up to visit the Operation Center. They had a bunch of weird and funny surveillance pictures printed off and put up on a display,

kind of like a mystery board of things they couldn't explain. One of the craziest ones, I pulled out my photo and it took a quick shot of it. I asked about it and they said, yeah, you'll see some weird stuff on this mission. I tried to see if there were any more images, but I couldn't have access to archives or anything. It wasn't classified or anything, but most intel that is not pert to the mission is destroyed. So when I got back and had time to process it, it's possible that it could be a dude in a costume. But then it would be really odd to be all alone with no one around to see, except the drone in the middle of nowhere and middle of the night with no water or supplies in a Bigfoot costume. I don't think I have an answer.

The dude was right, I guess. if you go look far enough, long enough, you do see some weird stuff out here. So what this guy alleges to find is an image, a top-down image of, it's in black and white, so it's a little grainy. But it looks like it's taken directly looking down and a figure walking. And to me, it, like, yeah, it's either a guy walking in a monkey costume in the middle of Big Ben National. Park away from anyone else or it's a legitimate picture of Sasquatch. And I sent you west the picture. And, you know, if you look at it, I kind of did a quick breakdown to show like some of the

detail. And, you know, you can clearly see like the left arm, the right foot, left hand, a nose, a mouth, the back of the head, a forehead. You can see like where the cavity for the eyes are. And I did a reverse image search on this. no matches. Yeah, it's a cool picture. And again, I'll post it underneath this episode if people want to check it out.

When you first sent it to me, I was like, oh, that's where it looks like it's shot from up above. But now knowing it was a drone makes a lot of sense. And I don't know, I don't see a guy out there running around in a monkey suit in the big bend in the middle of the night. Makes you wonder if they got any video of it. Yeah, so I asked him and he's like, yeah, he's, so he was basically, said like, you know, anything that either to be the common procedure, if it wasn't pertinent to the mission, anything they had destroyed it. He said that he went back later and someone had talked. Somebody had supposedly taken a picture of it and leaked it, quote unquote, but I did

research with him. We couldn't find anything on the internet. Like nothing. Like reverse image search on that image yields zero. So it's never been posted as far as I can tell. Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't. As far in my research, I can't tell. But he said, like, that was like the tip of the iceberg for some of the weird stuff that they caught on film. Like, I've seen an image of, like, it's literally a man. Like, it's like the blurred image of a guy in motion. And you can literally watch this guy. Literally, I don't even have.

You ever seen the animorph's books? No, I can't say that I have. So it's like in the animorph books, it would show like the kid that was part of the story. like turning into an animal like the phases he was turning into like he was in motion like turning into like a cat that's what it looked like it literally looked like this guy was morphing into a lion

and you could see half of them was a person and half of them was a cougar and it was like really just weird to look at other ones of you know like images out there they just they saw some weird stuff but it was again it goes back to like

hey, that's really cool that we saw a picture of Bigfoot, but it's not related to the mission. So get back to work and focus. And I don't know. Like, yeah, like, I just think about it, like, you know, all the other times that maybe we've seen some, all the weird stuff seen through all the drone operators, which, you know, will be near impossible to talk to because those guys, most of those missions are of a sensitive nature. But, yeah, it's like one of my favorite pictures and I've been saving it for the book. and to come talk to your show about it too, because it's definitely a good, blurry photo.

There's a couple more, there's three more in there, the UFO one, the one of supposedly the Jersey devil. The best picture of the best detail is a picture of a ghost that haunts Camp Lejeune and that I've gotten multiple stories about. Again, like a woman in white,

but it's either, you know, it's either somebody walking around in a weird pioneer era outfit or, you know, it's a ghost that got captured on a trail camp. Very creepy stuff. Yeah, very creepy stuff for sure. This photo that you sent me, did they think it was like an illegal coming across first? No, so it was like, from what he could understand was, so the drone was originally tasked to go along the border. and I guess the mission was done.

So typically, I guess when it comes to that, like they're waiting for a new mission of where it needs to go next, right? So they just, they pull off the border and they started loitering over the Big Ben National Park. And as they were just looking around, like, that's all they were doing. And I guess they caught movement or the drone caught movement on the ground of something walking and it zoomed down. and they caught that image of, I guess, of something that looks like Bigfoot walking around the middle of nowhere at Big Ben. Like you said in the story, I said it was at night.

So like unless, he said that there was no cars, no trucks, no signs of any humans anywhere for miles where that image was taken. It was the story he got. And so the consensus in this shop was, it was either an elaborate prank. It's either a crazy walk around, in a monkey costume, an elaborate prank that was set up by someone who would have to know the

drone was there, who would risk their life and survival by traveling that far into the Big Ben National Park and time it perfectly and walk around in a Bigfoot costume as a joke, or they legitimately caught a picture of Bigfoot walking around. Yeah, it almost seems crazier to say, you know, some guy was out there running around in the middle of the night in some costume or was some prank. And the picture that you took, I mean, you could tell it was shot from a high-quality drone. The ones they sell consumers don't shoot that well at night. But if people want to check it out again, I'll put it underneath this episode.

And check out Nick's books on Amazon. If you want to read firsthand accounts of soldiers talking about what they saw weird experiences on Amazon, Volume 1, Tales from the Grid Square. And he also has Tales from the Grid Square, Volume 2, stories of military and paranormal experiences. And I'm glad soldiers are coming forward and sharing with you some of the weird things they've experienced. But, you know, for anyone who goes and buys this book and picks it up,

what can they kind of expect to get? Yeah, so, you know, so basically, I get this question a lot and so the big key difference between what we see on the book and the Instagram is, so first off, you know, anything on the Instagram, the page, anything I sent to me, I generally post.

So I'll just, you know, it's kind of like, think of it like a spam account. So I'll post anything on there. I'll get people's opinions. Maybe like a lot of times I hope for, I send a story and somebody will come back and be like, oh, I experienced the same thing. And then it kind of leads me into, you know,

a spider web of, people's different accounts, which then, you know, lends credence to that story. But when I took the, I had this idea, um, inspired by, uh, another, uh, kind of veteran author. I'm not really, I don't really consider myself an author. I just, it's just like, just like my project now. But, uh, he was collecting war stories. So from the same, same thing.

Like, so basically in the book is our stories that I've picked that kind of show a very like broad range of experiences in the military, um, from all the branches as best I could to like, get as much representation. Even though most of the book is very heavy on the Army side, just because most of the people that interact with the page and send stories, you know, because I'm in the Army are also, you know, fellow soldiers. But, you know, I got stories from the Navy.

In the second book, I even got some of the Coast Guard, Air Force Army, Marine Corps, even some foreign militaries from, you know, the United Kingdom, France, Australia. and the only branch I don't have is Space Force, but maybe that'll change one day. Who knows? And the books I basically have taken, I've cultivated them. I've put together a group of stories that I think are really good

that have like this diverse kind of like different things. So from everything from like ghosts to cryptids to, you know, UFOs to just like kind of weird experiences. And I've also gone down and, you know, there's only so much that can be conveyed over Instagram and people have different ways of, you know, sending messages and whatnot. And so I've gone back and I have, you know, edited that's those stories to make sure.

Not edited is wrong, but I have like refined those stories to make sure that they're easily readable, they're enjoyable, they flow. Because, you know, sometimes people will tell me a story and they'll be like, oh, wait, let me go back to the beginning to explain something. So I'll try to make sure it flows a little bit better. And in those stories, too, in this. especially in the second book, there's a lot of stories that I don't share on the page, like ones that I consider, like, exclusives are like very good,

that I'm like, I'm going to save this one for the readers, you know, that buy the book as a special treat. And there's a, I think there's at least 20 to 50 stories in the second volume. Which, you know, it's crazy. When I first came on the show, I, uh, you know, I hadn't even come out with the book. I didn't even cross my mind to start putting these together in like a volume that's, like, organized and easy for people to read. Because, you know, if you go to my page, it's just kind of like, whatever I want to post that day, I throw up.

And I literally have like 400 stories that I have yet to even, like, put on the page, like, over 400 with like more in my inbox and my email that I haven't even gone through yet. So it's like, you know, I'll scroll through and like, up, this one sounds interesting. I'm going to send this or, you know, oh, this is what I'm going to say for the book. So with the book, you get kind of like a more refined, a more readable and easier to digest, like categorized set of stories. Yeah, I'm really proud of you, Nick. And, you know, when you first came on the show, I think you had like 500 followers on Instagram, and now I see you have over 100,000. And if people are out there, you're on Instagram, definitely go and follow Nick.

Going back to the second book that just came out in May, Tales from the Grid Square, Volume 2, stories of military paranormal experiences. Share with us some accounts from the book. you would. So this was sent in. So I have a hard time vetting a lot of these stories because, one, if I was to dive into people's individual experiences over all over the place, it would just kill so much time. Like, I wouldn't be able to honestly do it.

But certain things, like certain units, certain backgrounds, certain deployments. Like, I know people who are on them and I can vet them. But I'll go ahead and read this story. So this comes out of Fort Lewis. Okay. So in 2006, Fort Lewis, Washington, I was part of operational detachment Delta 156 first special forces group airborne. So that's basically he was part of an army, the first special forces group. He was an army special forces soldier.

I was previously appointed to Bosnia and Afghanistan and was the 18 Charlie Special Forces engineer on my team. We have been conducting an exercise pertaining to patrolling, react to, and break contact drills during pre-mission training, prior to the deployment to Iraq. We are in one of the remote training areas of Fort Lewis, and that was all that was available at the time. We are near the towns of Rainier and Yelm, and an area called Skookamachuk. This was a very remote area and in the shadow, if you will,

of Mount Rainier. During the nights, we would go to about 33% security to the patrol base. We kept coming into contact with something that none of us could figure out. We would see figures and shapes moving and hear foliage snapping. Fort Lewis is cloudy 90% of the time, so night fishing goggles were nearly useless, but we still had them.

The thermals at that time were decent enough, but burned through batteries and were heavy, so we left those behind in our arms room. We thought it could be local hillbillies and rednecks up to no good, track on our movements. A dozen full auto M4s with lasers, optics, knife fishing goggles, and radios are worth a lot of money. We had bears, large cats, and other wildlife, so we always carried two mags of special protection ammo, quote unquote, just in case. We eventually went down to a 50% security and our team sergeant commander decided the training was over. The liability wasn't worth to squeeze with what was happening out in the woods. The order was given and live mags were loaded, but rounds were not chambered.

We picked up our tracks in Australia we came in on, but the senior said something was off. Either the locals were barefoot walking around in the forest, which was completely possible. Or they were carrying more weight than us and they were moving, had bigger feet than us. The opportunity for a little payback to mess with them was too good to let to pass up. And so we picked up a trail and tracked them. However, we could smell it before we found it. Like the sickly sweet smell of rotten flesh,

wet dog fur, and shit. Green berets were supposed to eat things that'll make a billy but goat puke, but this was rough. Me and the other teammates dropped our rucks and scotted ahead while the team set up a linear counter ambush and a patrol base. We came upon a clearing in a forest

similar to a deer or elk bed downside. The trees and brush were all lay down, just like the bed you learned to make in the qualification course in Sears School. The smell made us want to leave immediately, but that was even scary where the limbs were broken off all around us were twice our height and the tree. I noticed hair similar to an elk or deer, and upon closer inspection, it was brownish and reddish in the meager light, but coarse and thick like hog hair. We reported back to what we saw. Everyone was thinking it, but no one was saying it. It would be dark for a few more hours, and while we weren't shying from a

fight, we decided a warm, dry team room, beer pizza, beer and pizza was better than the field. We threw our rucks on a patrol to the New York Road, which was a ways off. We all could hear and feel that we were being followed, but at a distance. We knew that we knew it slash day were there and felt it slash they knew we were there as well. You can feel the level of mutual respect in the mountain air. It must, it was a standoff. They must have known we were different from the other humans because of the way we moved slowly, tactically, and conserving an energy, and ready for a fight if it came to it.

We had worn on our welcome in that remote training area, but if it came to a fight, we each had 60 rounds each, and we all knew how do you fight. But just as it got dark, our nerves were about to break on either side. We saw headlights on the road, and it was an LMTV, which we flagged down and got a ride back to our compound. I still believe we stumbled into the territory of more than one Sasquatch. And how we acted differently, it might have turned up badly for both sides. Yeah, I can't tell you how many soldiers I've talked to that I've had encounters at Fort Lewis.

I wanted to ask you, though, about Skookumchuk. If my memory is right, that's south of Fort Lewis. You got the, I want to say the Deshutes Rivers right there. And forgive me for dumb questions. I never served. But does a military go off base and do the hold these practices, you know, war games, that sort of thing? Sometimes they do go off into national training parks. And there's an agreement or something like that with each state.

And I only know this just because from people that have worked with these units and whatnot. Because they need to go to areas that are remote to basically learn how to move in some of these places that replicate like Iraq or Afghanistan at the time. And as far as I understand is, yeah, they can have agreements with like the local state departments and the local governments that like, hey, we're going to go fly into the. this park and go do our thing and fly out. Yeah, that actually makes sense. I interviewed a guy a couple years back. He was in the military and they landed a, I think it was a Black Hawk down in the Gifford National Forest.

And where they landed it, I can tell you, is nowhere near the base. It was public land. So I guess I can kind of see that. That Skookam-Chuk, there's a lot that comes out of that area. And it's exactly how he described. I think Mount Rainier is off to your west. And you are in the middle of nowhere. That's something I wanted to mention.

So before the dawn of social media, and I'm trying to see if I can find it. It's hard to find now. There was an old blog website called Ranger Stories from Hell. And supposedly, I don't know too much about it just because I'm not, was not ever a part of the Rangers. And I've asked around. Some people think the guy was BSing.

Other people think that he was legit. But basically, he was this old school kind of like Army Ranger guy. And he had this blog. And it was basically just about all the weird crazy stories that they had. And one of his stories, and I have to go, it's like really buried. The website doesn't exist anymore. There is no modern day version of that website, of that blog. but he wrote a story

and it was practically almost like very similar to this. They were in Washington. They were doing a training event. I think they were still on Fort Lewis. They set up an ambush and they're waiting for like this Op 4 team to basically fall into their ambush.

And they submit the same thing. They describe a smell like this disgusting animal, wet dog, rotting meat smell. And they see this like figure start walking out of the woods towards their ambush. and as they're all sitting there getting ready to jump this guy that they think is a guy, but as it gets closer and closer, they notice that this shadow is like this massive figure.

Like it's huge, like eight feet tall figure. The smell is getting stronger. And this thing is like, it looks like it's casually walking, but it's moving fairly quick. And it basically walks into the middle of their ambush and like stands there. It kind of like looks around like in an acknowledgement that it knows they're there before it just continues on its way.

as like all these guys sit there and watch this massive hairy figure walk back into the woods. Basically, the story as I'm summarizing, it's written in a much more colorful detail than what I'm retelling, but basically ends in with like, you know, we know that night we saw Bigfoot. Yeah, I've talked to a lot of soldiers that have seen it out there. Not only by themselves, but they had five, six, seven other guys with them and they all saw the same thing. And I know that you're currently serving Nick. And I want to ask you, you know, you're in a position where people under your report to you, you know, if I was out there, and maybe this is a dumb statement to make, but if I was out there

and I'm out there doing some training mission or war games or that sort of thing, and I have all my guys with me, there's five, six guys, whatever it is, and we all see this thing, you think the people up above would want to hear about it. you think you'd want to go and say, hey, you know, we were out there doing this and we ran into this thing, you know, what the hell's going on out here? But even guys today, they rarely reported anymore to anyone up above them. Okay. Got it. Because I actually have a pretty, pretty good argument for this. And the answer is a lot more boring than you think, right? So part of also the secondary goal from Tales from the Grid Square is, you know, in my own weird

way tell veteran stories and like kind of connect that civilian military divide because there's a lot of just misconceptions i'll put it like this so yeah so there's like the first aspect right of where people will see something insane and they don't want to be perceived as insane so they don't say anything at all they just silence silence is golden in that which we we've talked about so a lot of times and i've seen it play out on you know multiple stories people will you'll hear a story about us i think there's one It was like at Fort Polk, a guy was in a helicopter, and they flew over a clearing, and they saw what clearly looked like, you know, three Sasquatches staring at the helicopters, they flew by, three large, hairy creatures because they were flying so low.

And the soldier mentioned it to his NCO, and the NCO is like, don't ever talk about this again, right? You never saw this. And a lot of people automatically assume that that NCO knows what's going on is actively trying to cover it up, right? Because that's what we want to think we want to think like there's an active cover-up. This is where people, and I may anger some people here and I'm not trying to dodge. Maybe there is some cover-ups going on. It would not surprise me, you know, if there was. However, I think a lot of the time why these stories maybe don't go higher or whatnot is it breaks down to one thing, apathy, and multiple things, but apathy is being the major theme. So scenario one, the, my soldiers,

told me he's just saw a Sasquatch. I really don't want to have to deal with this right now because we have a mission going on. We have things to worry about. There's so many other crazy things that are on my mind. You know, thinking about a giant monkey creature in the woods is the least of my concerns right now. Like I don't even want to bother. So I say to the private, don't ever talk about this again. Don't tell anyone else. Shut up in color to keep everybody on track, right? And that's mainly because there's people like that think like that, you know. We have a task at hand a mission like why are we focused on something that like right now that we just no we don't like i talked to a guy that saw a giant in afghanistan

literally saw a giant come out of a cave and stare at his patrol base and like stare and he was the only one that saw it and he was like you know i didn't tell my guys until after the fact uh like much later he's like because if i would have told them in that moment like they would have all been focused on trying to look for this and see this giant that's out there instead of looking for the Taliban or the insurgents that are trying to actively kill us. And sure enough, he said, like 10 minutes after I saw the giant, the giant ducked back down into a cave. And all of a sudden, we started taking RPGs and gunfire. In that regard, it's like, you know, you see something incredible.

Yes, it is incredible, but we need to focus on the task at hand right now and get this job done. The second part to that is some people don't want. to be known as the guy that saw Sasquatch, right? They want to be known as the guy that's dependable that can get the job done. That's a good soldier. That's a good Marine. That's a good sailor, right? If you become the guy that's known as saskatch, soon that's like all you become known as, right? There's, oh, there's Nick. He said he saw something in the woods and whatever. People don't want to be known for that. They want to be known as something else. You don't want to be known successful. And the third part, and this is where the apathy comes in, is I can see this absolutely happening,

because it happens in the most mundane ways of life in the army. A private tells his team leader or something. His team leader either at that point, yeah, okay, cool, whatever, never says anything higher or say like now he says it to the squad leader. The squad leader now at that point has to pass it off to the platoon sergeant, who passes it off to the company commander, who passes it off to, you know, whoever and so on and so forth. you have this huge chain of command that this information is flowing up. And due to apathy and just like, yeah, yeah, whatever, I don't want to deal with this right now.

At some point, the buck stops and then it just never goes any higher. It probably gets stopped at level so low like, you know, the higher ups, never even know these things are happening, right? Or by the time it gets to them, it just sounds like a convoluted urban legend. And I know that's like not as like exciting, but in my opinion, that's what I think what's really happening a lot of these times. I don't know if that makes any sense. Yeah, I think you explained it well. And it makes sense when you explain it that way.

No one wants to be known as the weirdo. And, you know, if your buddies aren't around and you see it, it's kind of like when you're out in the woods with your brothers and you tell them you're scared. You're prepared to have your balls broken for the next, you know, eight hours. They're just going to torment you. So I get where you're coming from. I wanted to ask you about that giant.

You know, I've gotten a lot of reports out of Afghanistan. If people seeing these giants, I even had one guy tell me about this account of seeing it. And through his translator in Afghanistan, the locals were telling him not to go up the mountain because it's a cannibal giant and it'll eat you. That account you just mentioned, what were they doing? And did they describe what they saw? Yeah, so he basically, so the gist of it was, it was just a regular mission for them. They were out on a patrol, you know, a show of force into this valley. It was nothing special.

There's nothing like ulterior about it. While he was in the village, it was kind of like what you described. He had, they had an interpreter that he was really close with. And the interpreter told him all sorts of stuff about Afghanistan, things like the chin and monsters and spirits and the giants. And the interpreter was kind of like wigging out and telling him like, hey, these villages, are saying there's a giant that lives nearby and it lives in a cave and it's a cannibal it'll eat us and they're telling us to be careful and so you know the soldier was like yeah okay okay cool i mean that's interesting but i don't believe it and so later they leave the village and they go set up in their

patrol base while they're you know they're doing their missions out of like with a bunch of trucks and he's sitting in a in his gunner's hatch kind of like you know take standing duty and he sees like this cave in the distance. As he's looking through a pair of binoculars, he watches this big person, like this massive like seven to foot, seven, eight foot tall, maybe like nine foot tall.

He couldn't really tell, but it looked, it was bigger. It was as big as the trees come out of the cave. And, you know, he said it honestly just looked like a regular Afghan man. Like he said, I think he said it had red hair. Nothing like crazy like the giant of Kandahar, but it looked like

a gigantic Afghan man. with red hair and it was just standing there watching them from the from the distance and it didn't really do anything other than watch them they kind of just stared at each other and he felt like the giant was looking at him and then the giant just simply went back into his cave and then you know they got attacked so he just honestly had to forget about that moment even though he saw something really insane he just had to push it out of his brain and you know focus on the task at hand Yeah, I think that there's more going on in this world than we realize. And, you know, when I hear Mountain Giant accounts, and I've taken a few over the years,

you know, my mind goes to the Nephilim. I don't know where your mind goes, Nick, but I often, I immediately think, oh, man, that sounds like the Nephilim. Even the Lovelock Cave was Sarah Winamucka, the Princess of the Pites retelling, killing these giants. If you read her description, it sounds like they're, killing nephalum. And maybe some people think the nephalum story is BS, and that's okay, too. I wasn't around when that supposedly happened. But I'm telling you, a world is much stranger than people

realize. I was watching this thing the other day. I need to throw it up on the blog. It's like three hours long. But this guy basically takes apart any argument that there was not a worldwide flood. And he does it so brilliantly. I mean, the things he was bringing up, for instance, he was talking about if the planet is millions and millions of years old, he brings out these human growth charts, you know, are raised as it grows. And he was saying, if the planet is millions of years old, there would be no place to go on the planet. There'd be too many humans on the planet, but at this point in time. And he brought up a lot of other weird things like the king that actually started, I think it was Sweden, is actually Noah's son or the guy has the same name.

as Noah's son. And one of the guys that started the German people, the German people, the German people, is Noah's other son. And it's weird because, I mean, these names pop up. And we have this legend around the world that there was a flood. Yeah, most people are like, yeah, I don't know about that. I need to post that video. And my point is, our world is much stranger than I think people realize.

and maybe some of the stuff in the past wasn't BS. In your book, in the newest book, Tales from the Grid Square, Volume 2, do you have any UFO stories? Oh, absolutely. I, especially with just like Las Vegas UFO thing that's been blowing up. Yeah, I was going to talk to you about that. Yeah, I threw some stuff up late last night on it. I don't know.

It's hard to tell nowadays. So for the readers, if you would like to go into the books, I'll read the pasture. There's quite a few. I think the most common are UFO sightings of strange things in the sky, followed by ghostly encounters and then cryptid encounters. But in the book, second one, volume two, I do have pictures of that were sent into me. And, you know, of course, after I published a book, I get a lot more sent in my way. I have a lot more, but I have one picture, and I'm trying to flip to it, of a UFO that was taken over Afghanistan. It was sent to me like over a year ago, and I held on to it specifically for the book because I wanted to like, you know, include it in there.

The cool thing was recently, so the guy was on duty. So I'll read you the story before I tell that part. So it was pretty short. So I was deployed to Afghanistan in 2013. and I was manning the front gate with one other guy. That's important, who witnessed this. What we saw was three lights hovering silently above a traffic circle for several minutes. When I say silent, I mean that it did not make a single noise,

even though it was maybe 200 meters away and maybe 250 meters in the air. At this point on deployment, we are very familiar with the various aircraft sound and look like, as they would provide support during our patrols. It was also invisible to the naked eye, and we could only see it under our night vision. As soon as we decided to take pictures of it, it flew off. I recently looked at a map of where we were in an approximately measured distance it covered. It moved about five to six miles and maybe 10 seconds.

I believe the three lights were part of one object. The pictures that we took were taken on my buddy's GoPro through our night vision. So I have a picture in the book of, it's a little green because of the black and white and it was taken through NVGs, but it shows a triangular formation of three lights. over a base in Afghanistan.

And I know the base and the guy did, I know what base it was. The guy didn't want me to say what the name was, but it was over a huge major base. And if there was an aircraft that could be detected flying over there, like it would have been detected, right? So that's what makes it really fascinating and like the implication of, you know,

was it aliens whose technology surpasses our own? Something else entirely. Was it an aircraft that was flying over that base? But what's cool is in that story, he mentions his buddy. Pretty recently, I think it was about last Tuesday. I get a guy that sent me, he's like, hey, I was in Afghanistan in 2013. I caught this UFO on a camera.

And it's the exact same place. It's his buddy. His buddy, like a year later, sent me the same photo. And it's not like the same photo. It's like the perspective is a little different. Like you can tell they were standing next to each other and they passed each other the camera to take pictures with. and sure enough is three lights almost in the same exact spot in the sky as the other picture.

And I thought that was really cool. Like here's a legit photo of a UFO of over Afghanistan in a major combat zone. Yeah, that's a weird part, especially over a combat zone where there's too many eyes on it. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. And I just, yeah, I think that's a common theme I've seen or a trope. But I have another story from a very close individual in my life. He was a pilot, was flying in Iraq.

This was like early in the war. And he was flying in, he was flying his aircraft over Iraq along paralleling. I believe it was MSR Tampa, main supply route, Tampa, which was like a major, major route at that time, you know, known for attracting a lot of, you know, early in the insurgency, known for attracting. a lot of attacks because of it being a main supply route. And his crew chief gets his attention and he looks out the window to

his right. And he sees this massive, like, gray delta wing craft. And he's like, he's like, a B-52 bomber, he said is how wide it was, which is a very big aircraft. It's a big gray aircraft. He was like, that's how wide this, like, it was like a giant wedge.

And he said, the crazy thing was, that this thing was moving. He's like, I couldn't tell if it was making any noise because I was in an aircraft, but it was moving slowly along MSR Tampa, casting a shadow on the road. And he was saying, like, this thing was so big and so low.

It was flying incredibly low. He said it must have been flying anywhere from 200 to 500 feet in the air. He couldn't tell, but that's how low he assessed it. And he was like, any aircraft flying that low would have attracted some attention. Like, people would have started shooting at it, especially if it was like a U.S. craft. But there it was, like slowly moving along the road. And he calls it up like to the air tower.

It's like, hey, I see this massive aircraft flying super low to the ground. Is there a balloon or a blimp or something that may have gotten loose? And the tower came back and basically gave him a negative. They couldn't see anything on the radar. They couldn't, he was the only aircraft in that area. They didn't detect anything at all. or so they say. And he's like,

you know, I wanted to watch this thing and see where it went. But, you know, eventually we made our turn to continue on our mission. And, you know,

I looked over my shoulder as we flew and, you know, we just watched this thing and it just kept moving down the MSR slowly but surely, you know, and like almost gliding

silently through the air, or at least he assessed it to be gliding silently. Um, he just found it bizarre like that that aircraft. And he said, though, you know,

something he brought up. He's like, you know, if there were other, units, special units and special government departments operating in those areas, typically no one's informed to that. He's like, I don't know. Could it have been an alien aircraft? Could it have been a drone? Could it have been one of our special things? He's like, I don't know. He just found it bizarre to see something like that in the middle of a war zone.

Yeah, especially over a war zone. It makes no sense why no one's really, uh, you know, sending off the alarm bells, it's almost like maybe someone up top knows something. I guarantee that it would have been a Russian craft or, you know, something like that, military would have been all over it. The fact that no one's like really looking into it, it's strange. You had brought up the Las Vegas UFO incident that recently happened, and I put it up on the blog. I'll tell you a funny story. So when I go to sleep at night, I generally keep my ringer off.

my phone will buzzed constantly. And that night I forgot to turn my ringer off. Well, I started getting emails from listeners in Las Vegas. And they were sending me stuff like, hey, I just saw this blue craft looks like it's crashing. And I remember I read the first one. I thought, oh, okay, that's weird. I'll reach out to him. And I put my phone on vibrate, laid back down, pretty see my phone vibrates again.

Another person from Las Vegas is like, hey, there's a UFO. It looks like it's going to crash. It's not a meteor. It's not a plane. It looks blue and it's flaming. I'm not the man, this is really weird. And then this came out. It is the police call.

Everybody will be talking about. Thanks for joining us here at 6 o'clock. I'm Denise Feldes. I'm Brian Loftus. A family says something crashed into their backyard, prompting them to call 911 saying they saw creatures walking around. Our 8 News Now investigators digging into this for weeks now. And tonight are David Charns with the video you will only see.

On 8 News Now, David. Brad Denise, sources telling the 8 News Now investigators that several agencies believe something landed or crashed. Whether it was non-humans or not, it certainly scared the people living on this property. Now, before we show you that video, listen to their call for help. There's like an eight-foot person beside it and another one is decided and it has big eyes and looking at us. And it's still there. Okay, where is this on your property? In my backyard.

I swear to God, this is not a joke. This is actually really, you're terrified of it. So there's two people or two subjects that are in your backyard? Correct, and they're very large. They're like eight foot. Nine feet, ten foot. I don't know. They look like aliens.

Big eyes. They have big eyes, like, I can't explain it. And big out mouth. They're shiny eyes and they're not human. 100% they're not human. Okay. Well, the 8th news now investigators obtaining video as officers then responded to the call you just heard. You'll see the officers also saw something in the sky that night, but the big question is, what was it?

And is it all connected? It's almost midnight on May 1st when a Las Vegas Metro Police officer's body cam catches this, something flashing low in the sky. 911 emergency. Minutes later, there's like an eight-foot person beside it and another one is inside and it has big eyes and looking at us and it's still there. Someone calls 911 reporting two large figures in their backyard. I'm so nervous right now. The 8 News Now investigators obtaining another officer's video as he sent to the Northwest Valley home. I have butterflies, bro.

I only thought a shooting star. Then these people say there's aliens in their backyard. By now, it's more than an hour after that bright light. officers meeting up with the caller and his family. What'd you see? Like a big creature. A big creature? Yeah, like a long-tenth-tall.

I'm not going to be, yes, you guys. One of my partners said they saw something fall out of the sky, too, so that's why I'm kind of curious. Did you see anything land in your backyard? They see like a big, that what they say. They see like a big, like something like like. What I saw right now, I do believe in it. Police walk into the backyard to investigate,

but Metro blacked out that part of the video because it's considered private property. What's clear, they're taking this call seriously. Hey, this might sound like a really dumb question, but did you guys see anything fall out of the sky? Asking others what they saw. I'm normally discounted as nothing. However, seen as one of my partners said they saw it too. The only reason I'm actually investigating any further.

That investigation turning up no concrete answers as of Wednesday, whatever or whoever fell into that yard long gone within minutes. Oh, hey, it does nine foot beings come back. call us, all right? Deal with it yourself. I ain't dealing with that. So yeah, this is quite weird, Brian was saying, during, as we're watching this story. Now, we've been in contact with the family in that video, and as you heard in that 911 call, they seem very reasonable and honestly quite scared as you heard them in the call. No, they don't seem impaired in any way. And whatever crashed by the time that police got there was gone, but sources say that there's really no

dispute something was in their yard exactly what we do not know i mean so interesting so like the metro officers see something the neighbor see something i mean so what could it be well we know that there are obviously a lot of military bases around this area uh george knapp covers a lot of that stuff for us on the 80s out investigators we're showing you drone video from above that area and we know of course creech not far away nellis air force base not far i checked in with them they say they are not involved at all and we are waiting to hear from the Pentagon as well. And you talk to these people. It seemed completely legitimate to you and do you have any personal thoughts on maybe what it was? Right. So it seems from talking to our sources that something happened.

There was obviously some flash in the sky. A lot of people saw it that night on the night of April 30th, early in the morning on May 1st. Did that exact thing land in their yard? I don't know. But these people said they saw some SUV circling the area. Could this have been some piece of equipment that malfunctioned? Maybe they saw something and then someone came, I can't believe we're talking about this. Someone came and retrieved it from the backyard

in the SUV, we don't know. This all comes as a former high level intelligence officer, an veteran was on News Nation talking about how there is a program where the government collects some unidentified objects. So this might be that. We just don't know. We're going to work to find out though.

And no substances. They were looking with clear eyes. Very interesting. Not big buggy eyes, though. This is really unique. Thank you, David. And I tend to believe these people. I know a lot of people go, well, they had a camera in their hand.

Why weren't they snapping pictures? I think they were frightened. And they were on their phone with 911. You know, it wasn't a time to document their life. You know, they were terrified about what this was. And even the cops said, yeah, there was something. there that absolutely landed in their yard. It appears anyway. And I know you don't speak for the military, but having your military background, what's your take on this whole situation?

I don't know. That's weird. I don't know. Have you seen the pictures supposedly of that they claim, I mean, it's kind of like a blob squatch scenario, but they claimed to it like somebody in the background as they were like, the family had released the footage of them like looking in the back yard initially. And you can see something peeking behind the corner. And somebody zoomed in on it and it looks like the stereotypical depiction of a gray. I don't know. It's crazy. Like it's, it's a weird time. Or maybe it's not. Maybe the times have always been this weird. It's just, you know, with the ability to live stream and FaceTime and, you know, connect instantly to the world, maybe now we're just starting to see the world for what it truly is. I don't know.

Yeah, I think that there's definitely a shift in people's opinions. There's a lot going on recently anyways. And what I was telling you before, I mean, I think this incident actually happened like a month ago. I remember getting, I'll go back and look at my emails, but I won't say it happened like a month ago. And this 911 call just recently came out. But I haven't seen the pictures you're talking about. I mean, I haven't looked that much into it. But I'll definitely have to check out the images you're talking.

about the family took. And like I said, I believe the family. I mean, there was many eyewitnesses to this thing flying through the sky. A lot of police officers saw it that night. I think there's a lot of new information that's going to come out and a lot of deception, like that recent whistleblower that came out. And I think he's a weasel, and I'll tell you why. A true whistleblower will come out and tell you everything that's going on. We'll spill the beans on everything. This guy came out and he's like, hey, let me grab my paperwork from the NSA, telling me what I can say and what I can't say. And then they're calling him a whistleblower.

You're not a whistleblower. You're a weasel. I think that they are slowly putting this information out in order to not freak out the public. I think this will go on probably for the next 10 years. It'll get to the point where it's so normal, no one will care. And then they'll come out and say what's really been. going on. That's kind of how I think it'll play out. You know, you can't come out right away and go, hey, we've been recovering these craft. We have these aliens. There's some reports of them

working with the aliens, that sort of thing, because especially with Americans, Americans will lose their shit. They'll come out and they'll be an uprising. They'll be pissed. There's already so much distrust with the government. I don't think that they can do that right now without starting a fire. But our world is much weirder than people think. And, you know, it's hard to know what to make of any of this. I think,

I don't know, I've recently, I don't know, have you ever watched that documentary a moment of contact, a moment of contact? No, I haven't seen that. It's about like a Roswell-like incident that happened in Brazil. Super fascinating. Extremely well done. It's like one of the, it's like

very few paranormal documentaries like capture me because, I feel like a lot of times when they dramatize things too much, and it's very hokey. It was, I forget the town's name, but it was basically like, literally this alien craft crash landed in this Brazilian town and these, like the crew members of the alien, some of them died there, others like basically, like escaped into the town or running from the Brazilian military and police. And there's this whole like, you know, hundreds of people saw it.

All these people saw this craft, saw this thing. in the sky, saw these aliens. There's even a story of like one of the, this Brazilian military policeman like basically fights one of these things, like tackles it and manhandles it to the ground to capture it before dying mysteriously of an illness. Like, you know, the same day.

And, you know, everything, the whole thing ends with like supposedly the U.S. government came because the Brazilian government didn't have like the capability to store and study the, what was recovered. And supposedly the U.S. government came in and basically recovered all the stuff in the future. It's a crazy documentary, and I highly recommend you check it out, especially your listeners. It's extremely well done.

And when I saw it, I was very captivated by it. A moment of contact. I definitely have to check it out. I have not seen that yet, but I like stuff like that. I know we're getting a little low on time. Going back to your book, Tales from the Grid Square, Volume T, the newest one that came out, is there another account you can share with us? Oh, yeah, sure.

I am very fascinated with the stories from, that come out of Hawaii for your listeners and maybe you live here or not. Like, I've come to learn that Hawaii is a deeply spiritual place. It can get weird here, like, very quick. Everything from like the Menehune, which are like gnome creatures to the night marchers, which are a very common, like, you know, Hawaiian legend. here to the Kaimuki House, which is like the Hawaiian Amityville horror. It's very fascinating. Women and white stories, like all sorts of crazy stuff. And like, you know, a lot of the people

here regard it as demonic kind of like presence here in a demonic power. And you can feel it in some places if you go, you go to the jungle and you're just like kind of, man, the jungle is definitely spooky here sometimes. But I'll read this story. So out on Hawaii, there's a There's several training areas. And one of the biggest ones is known as East Range. And the best way I can describe it is it's a jungle. You go right off the highway and you drive about a mile. You cross a bridge and now you're in the jungle.

And it gets really thick and really dark, really quick out there. So this is a story from a soldier that's stationed out there. So I'm stationed in the 25th Infantry Division, Hawaii. I'm from here. So I know all the paranormal stuff that exists, like the night marchers, the Kamapua, the Pig God of, Polly Highway, the Green Lady of Wahia, the Lady and White of East Range, that Kanea Nea, the shark god of Makua Cave, and so on and so forth. I'm aware of all these things as a local

and a native. So they come up unexpectedly and they always catch me off guard. Back when I was a scout in the 235 infantry battalion, we were doing JRTC in 2021 at the East Range in Wahua. We just got ambushed by the Op4 and all of us got quote unquote killed. So unfortunately, for me, I was one of the unlucky ones that had to stay by the truck since I was a patient who had, quote, unquote, died, and everyone else was taken away. After everyone was gone, myself and my buddy were sitting in the back of our high back convie in the pitch black jungle, just chilling. He was in the back part of the truck, looking for some things, and I was in the driver's seat just eating, or talking to this talk with him. He then told me that he needed a light, so I grabbed

my headlamp, and as soon as I turned it on, I saw the face of a woman immediately move her head away from where she was peeking through the back flap of the truck. I freaked out remembering exactly how she looked despite seeing her for only a split second. Her face was completely white and she had long black hair. Her eyes reflected the light so it made her look even more messed up. After seeing it, I froze and looked at my buddy saying, bro, did you see that? And he replied, see what? I explained what just happened and he just let out a sigh.

Johnson, I'm going to go in the front with you now. And he went out and got in the passenger seat. We both went quiet for a little, and at times I'd hear footsteps shuffling in the dirt outside the truck. I'd look out to see if anyone was there, but of course, it was no one. Every time I did, I tell my buddy to stay quiet so we can make sure I wasn't hearing things. Then the walking came back, and this time it sounded like running, and I looked out again, nothing. After a little bit, my platoon sergeant pulled up in a razor to pick my buddy up, who was in the truck with me, and I told him what happened. So to keep me from being alone in the area, he told me he told one of my other buddies to move his envie to my

my area. So I went to help him TC that truck and guide him to where I was. While guiding the Humvee, I decided to just mess around and sit on the hood while he was driving because I was honestly too scared to walk. And as soon as I sat down, I was told a voice spoken to the radio of our Humvee, which important to note was zeroed out. So when he says zeroed out, that means like there's no frequency loaded. Nothing is, there's no frequency coming into that radio. So, it was just the whispers of a woman. And I swear when my friend told me that I started shitting bricks. After parking the Humvee next to my high back, we sat in the back of my truck.

The entire night I could barely sleep because all I could think about was that face peeking into our truck. I was so scared to see it again. I just covered my space with my OCP top and just waited the night out. That was the scariest night I ever had during FTX. I couldn't even go into the bathroom in the woods without looking around as if someone was hunting me. So like the woman in white story is very common in Hawaii all over the place, on all the islands. And the jungle out there, like if you get, once you start going deep into that range, like any other military range, it gets, it gets really dark, really quick out there, really thick, really hard. And I've talked to people like soldiers, not just soldiers, but like locals who are pig hunters who go, you know, hunt the boars out in some of,

of these remote places and they see all sorts of stuff too eventually one of these days i'm going to go out there and try to go see what i can see uh or maybe not because you know some of the stories are pretty unsettling yeah Hawaii has a lot of weird stuff man there's a lot of bizarre things that go on there beautiful place but they have a lot of weird lore and a lot of people see a lot of very strange things and you know even with that woman and white i remember the first time i heard it I didn't realize a woman in white was so profound, you know, it was something that was seen all over the world, and everyone kind of describes her the same way.

It's very strange. I hope people go out and get your book, Nick. Tales from the Grid Square, Volume 1, and Tales from the Grid Square, volume 2. And if you're out there, you're on Instagram. Go and follow Nick. He's under Tales from the Grid Square. I'll include links for everything.

but I really appreciate you taking the time to come back on, Nick. It's been too long. Thanks again for having me on, Wes. You know, I definitely plan on releasing a third book. And, I mean, honestly, I have enough stories to release a fourth one if I wanted to. You know, I definitely appreciate if your listeners want to buy a copy of the book. You know, I appreciate and I hope they enjoy it. And, you know, I will pay attention to the spelling of your name a little bit closer.

I thought it was hilarious. I'm like, why is Nick think, who's this West Grammar guy? I still feel really bad for that. Nah, I thought it was funny, man. I always say I'm nobody important and misspelling my name somehow seemed appropriate. Thanks again, Nick. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. you can become a member and get additional shows. West Grammer out.