Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:97 The Chicken Man

Episode Date: April 22, 2015

In the late 1960's a creature simply known as the "Abominable Chicken Man" had been reported on a farm west of Oklahoma City near El Reno. According to the Oklahoma Journal, a farmer found the door to his chicken coop ripped off and lying on the ground. On the surface of the door and inside the coop itself were strange hand prints about seven inches long and five inches wide. When he saw that several of his chickens had disappeared without a trace, he called the local state game ranger. The door was shipped to zoologist Lawrence Curtis, director of the Oklahoma City Zoo. After a study that included comparisons with the hand and paw prints of human beings, apes, monkeys, bears and other animals, Curtis confessed his bafflement. "I don't know what this is," he said. "It resembles a gorilla but it's more like a man." According to Curtis the creature's thumb crooks inward as if deformed or injured. I will be speaking with a law enforcement officer who has had his own run ins with Sasquatch. He says in several parts of Oklahoma, the locals still call this creature the Chicken Man because of the incident that took place back in the 1960's and 70's. It is interesting how around the U.S. everyone calls this creature Bigfoot or Sasquatch, but in the Midwest and in the South the locals who have been seeing these creatures for a long time give them names based on what they observe them doing, like "Corn Man", "Chicken Man", "Night Stalker" and "Wild Man". The list goes on and on with local names. The Chicken Man Incident is an interesting case because so much physical evidence was left behind and was examined. Locals in the area would report seeing a large upright orangutan like creature harassing and killing their livestock.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

You know, the look it was given. What are you reporting? See you. Hello. I'm now, sir. That's a son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a mail, sir?

Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Happy Wednesday to you. Tonight, I was actually going to speak with Bobby Hamilton. He's the co-founder of the GCBRO, and he had a fascinating encounter.

encounter when he was a child. Unfortunately, Bobby hasn't been feeling good most of the week, and so we're going to try and get him on the show another time. Tonight, I want to welcome Bill, and Bill's actually from Oklahoma. Bill's been in law enforcement all of his life, served in the military prior to that, and it has a lot of interesting encounter stories that he has personally been involved with. So I want to go ahead and welcome Bill to this show. Bill, you're aware of Bobby's story.

Oh, my God, yeah. That chills down your spine. Yeah, it's one of those interesting stories. I was trying to get him on because I really wanted him to tell the story on the air. And I was talking with Tim Sermons about this. Bobby's story is just, it reminds me, I don't know, have you ever heard of the Cowman story? No, I don't think so. Well, the Cowman story is very identical to Bobby Story.

and what happened in the cowman story was a little kid who called these things a cowman. He said it stunk like a cow, and I guess some of the coloring it had was like a cow, so the little boy used to call it the cowman. What happened is the thing would come up to the little boy's window at night and kind of do the same type of thing that Bobby's describing. It would use its finger to kind of direct him to the window. He'd go to the window. The creature would make faces, and the little boy would make.

faces back at the creature. You know, you don't know if there's something sinister going on there. You don't know if there's something... They're after kids. Affirmatively, they're after kids. I used to work with a guy. Full-blood Cherokee said something wasn't right. Yeah, I was probably going to eat them.

I hate to say that. I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it either. But, you know, even in, like, Bobby Hamilton's story, you know, he's the co-founder of the GCBRO. And what he describes in his encounter was it motioning for him to come to the window, which is very human-like behavior. Very human-like behavior.

And it's just terrifying to... Yeah, you hear all of these stories about kids that go missing. You know, they're out hiking and then you wonder what happens to them. Well, kind of reminds you of what's that story? David Pilates was talking about where... Oh, missing 411? Yeah, missing 411. And one of the witnesses, the Dennis Martin case, one of the witnesses, one of the witnesses,

has said that a bear running on two legs had what looked like a boy over his shoulder running through the woods. You know, I mean, I hate to hear stuff like that. You know, as a parent, that just, it's just, you know, people need to know that. You know, we're a canyon that just based there's a tree, you know, the video of these deer, this is not deer. And they're thinking, we got to get back to the cabin. Well, they're halfway down that road. well, and the more they was...

Yeah, I don't blame them. I wanted to ask you, I want to talk about the chicken man first, and then I want to talk about some of your experiences and some of your encounters. And I really do appreciate you coming on the show, Bill, because, you know, it's so hard to get people from your area, like you and I talked about yesterday, it's so hard to get people from the Midwest and the South to come out and talk. and talk about this because I think that's really the gold mind as far as I'm starting to learn that's

that's where the gold mind is as far as encounter stories and but it's in the same breath it's so hard to get people from that area to come out and say okay here's what's what we're seeing here's what I've experienced here's what especially someone in law enforcement so I really do appreciate you coming on the show well it's just people just don't like to get ridiculed. You know, I went through that with my... Well, tell us about it. So what happened with you and your friend, and then we can go into the chicken chicken store? Well, it was a buddy and I

went to hunting, and it was a and part just kind of diddy bop and would you skinning? I drew a bead. I'm standing there and I just rubbed the hairs on the back of my neck. I mean, that apples were standing up and I knew something wasn't right. I had that feeling I was being washed. I looked over on the other So I'm looking up the full moon, and I'm looking back at the tree trunk, and the vector is on the tree.

So I'm looking at that. Two of these things looking at me, and they're just the purest bright. I'm looking at it, and I'm going to here, take a look at this. And when he gets down, you see it blinking his eyes and moving his head from the moon. And that thing rolled off the sashing down through all the brush and junk and all that was there. Kind of one side towards the web, and you get it crunching through the ice and getting on the sandbars. And I'm like, well, what in the hell was that? thing. Well, we can't tell anybody

about it because they'll tour that house up to the Concho Indian Reservation. They've got a casino there, and years later after our incident, just a few years back and passed, their security cameras, caught one of those coming up, getting in their trash

bins and their grease traps, and they got that documented. But it's something that they're not going to, the tribal police are not going to turn to the public, but it darn sure did get recorded because I know of a dispatch. So that one particular area there has had sightings going on for years. Yeah, and I want to come back to the Indian, the reservation, the casino there.

But on the chicken man incident with Palmer, the farmer, you know, there were so much evidence. And it's kind of a shame that this took place, I think it was the late 60s, wasn't it? Yeah, it's kind of a shame that it took place in that time error because there were so much evidence collected. There was the footprints. There was the blood. There was the hair. Even on the door that it had broken, it had left a bloody handprint. And he had actually taken the door off.

And he took it to a local zoo, didn't he, and had a primatologist look at it. Yeah, Lawrence Curtis was the... And what's interesting is it didn't really eat any of the chickens. It just killed them. just broke their next in it. Right, right. Yep. And it's interesting, too, I think just a couple miles from there, and you probably know this better than I do, Bill,

but a couple miles from there, there was another gentleman who kept, who was saying, there's a loose orangutangang out in the woods, and he was trying to trap it. And he kept describing this large, upright orangutang running around. I don't know too many orangutans that could survive out there in Oklahoma.

Neither, no, sir. But they just don't want to get ridicule. And that's the thing about this. That's the whole shame is that when you do come out, you do get ridiculed for. You know, there's always people trying to tear apart people's stories. And it's kind of a shame, you know. It's kind of people should be free to come out and say, hey, I saw this on the woods or, hey, I experienced this.

It kind of goes back. I was talking about the, and I'll get to the casino incident here in a minute. but I was talking about lights the other couple shows back, and I was talking about these lights people are seeing. I just got a flood of people who contacted me and said, hey, yeah, I saw these lights. You know, and so, I mean, it's kind of a shame that people can't. It takes one person to come forward and say,

hey, it's okay to talk about this. And then all of a sudden, everyone will come and say, hey, I saw this. You know, I had a lady who just sent me a message on Facebook and said that they were out, hiking and they had seen these lights and they didn't know what they were. And she said, no, it wasn't a UFO. She said it was just these weird lights flying around in the forest. And her and her mother got terrified and they ran and they left. Well, they had made a pack not to tell anyone because she was so afraid of being ridiculed over just seeing lights in the forest.

I know exactly how they feel. The incident at the casino is an interesting incident. And you and I talked about that too yesterday. And I think you hit it right on the head, which I didn't really think about. Because in my mind, I was thinking, this is great advertisement. This would be great to have people come to the casino. And for the people listening, basically what happened is on this Indian reservation out there in Oklahoma, they had captured a Sasquatch walking across the parking lot, digging into a dumpster,

and then basically exiting. but where they had actually captured it, to my, from people who have seen the film have come forward and said it's really, really clear footage, and it's, the thing is huge. And I always wondered why they wouldn't release it. I always wondered why they wouldn't come forward and say, hey, look, here's what we have. Because I've heard through third party, you know, second third parties that have seen it, that it's probably some of the best footage out there.

You know, they know these things are out there. They know they exist, and not going to turn it loose to the public. You kind of... Yeah, and I didn't think about, you know, imagine if you had someone come out, blast it, and then leave. Now the casino might have a bigger issue on their hand, then they might look back and go,

well, we regret letting that video out. It's not uncommon for ever a couple years to read the paper about it. And there's a bunch of guys with rifles and spotlights, and they're basically like for the big foot, folks around around taking pot shops, things moving in the dark. Yeah. Now talk a little bit, Bill, you had a property and you had these things out around your property. I know you start talking about it there in the beginning, but can you talk about some of the things you experienced around your property?

There one night cooking up hot dogs and stuff, and every now then I'd get up with my flashlight and scan the paw. I'm just looking for eye shine, raccoons or possums or anything. Scan it. He's got these bright, got to be a bus. So we're all looking at this thing. Now, my light is raising up. And then I'm thinking, well, what in the hell is that there? Branches and stuff.

And he didn't go back down to the ground. He stood there. And it's like, and then it started. And I thought, oh, this can't be good. This is it. It starts swaying on you, swaying on you back and forward. It's swaying, left. Just kind of rocking side to side.

And right at that with me. So I cracked off. They shot straight up in front of the back down the can. A picnic. But that's the first in the June, around July, when all the wild blackberries were on the bushes. I mean, they're all, and then the other time there would be season. When the persimmon trees were just covered with persamintries all around,

that was behind the cabin. We had a, what happened to us, it was really strange. We, uh, something wasn't quite right. The one down in a can you went off and that were getting closer, and they were getting loud because the way they were, they weren't, It was just dead. There's a window there. Well, she screams my own in real.

It's like, what's going on? What's happening? I go, didn't you see that? Didn't you see that? I go, what? He said, there was something, a man or something, walking, walking towards the back, jumping out of the screen. You know, it's interesting, the, how they maneuver around you.

I mean, even in my own encounter, just how they tactically maneuver around you, and then even being out there in Texas with Bobbin. And, you know, hearing this thing maneuver around. It was obviously moving to the rear of us, which made me uncomfortable to say the least, but it was definitely maneuvering to the rear of us trying to get behind us. I was trying to ambush you. Yeah, that's what it felt like, like it was trying to ambush us. It wasn't really a direct coming right at you.

It was almost more like an ambush is what it felt like. And then in your own situation, you know, you guys were walking to the front of a cabin and, you know, it kind of comes around towards the rear where you guys... are at. There's a couple big pine trees and a few persimmon trees and they kept those between us. Yeah, I kind of have a theory about that.

Again, I could be way off on my theory. Like I've always said before on the show, I don't have one in my garage in a cage I'm studying, but my theory on it is I think if you're alone, you're in trouble. Or if you're a child or a woman

and you're out there by yourself, you're in trouble. If you're within a group of people, it seems like a lot less bad things happen. And I don't know if it's something on their end when they, it's almost too much of, it's too risky of a fight because you don't know, you know, on their end, it's too many. It's too many to, things can go bad on their part, which gives them a huge intelligence. Because I don't know that a grizzly bear, I think a grizzly bear, if they're going to attack you, they're just going to attack you.

These things seem to be more tactical in their attacks. or like you were describing with the child, in the beginning with your friend who was picked up by one, you know, it was easy meal until the mother comes out and starts flipping out, and then it drops it and decides, you know, it's kind of a self-preservation on its own part, decides it's not worth taking this and it's time to go. He said, she was swinging that, boom,

and I've often wondered, maybe that thing thought that might have been a rye for or some kind of weapon. And I'm glad you brought that up, because that's the first thing I thought, is I bet it thought it was a weapon. I bet it thought it was a rifle. Yep, I permanently these things know. They understand what those rifles and pistars are. I think you're right about, I know down here, you can see a group of guys in the wood. You can pretty well count.

They're going to be armed because there's woolly booggers out there. Yeah, and that's the other interesting point I wanted to bring up is down in the south, you know, sometimes it's hard to find his historical accounts about things that happen in the South, unless you know what the locals named the creature at the time, like the Corn Man or the Chicken Man or Woolly Bougar. You know, if you're looking, if you're looking for Bigfoot or Sasquatch by name down in the South and in the Midwest, it's kind of hard to come by some information. But if you know what the locals call it, you'll find historical accounts going back hundreds of years. of people seeing these things, they just had their own names for them. Yeah, that's right.

Like they're in McCurton County. There's a newspaper been around from 1840s or so of the McCurtons. Then again, you need to know what's actually going to put in to look for. Now, you've never actually been, you've never been in a situation where you were called out

as a police officer to a scene to where someone is saying either are prowlers coming around. But there was one situation that you were involved in, and was it missing people? Right. This was in the Lake 7, and there was a group in Missouri. The door just literally the people was gone.

There was bloodstained, and the authorities just showing our take on what we thought it might be, because these were huge handprints and huge. You told them, well, I already believed that, and the death place drug them out of there. What's interesting is you don't really ever get to. to hear the final explanation on what had happened. There was an incident out here in Oregon, I want to say back in the 70s or 80s, and there was a gentleman who owned a bunch of land, and he was a logger. He was out logging the land, and I guess he did pretty well. But he had just recently moved to the area, and he was out there logging. The gentleman ended up not showing up.

No one had heard from the family in a while, so they sent cops out to check on the family. family. And nothing really ever came of it. No one ever really said they just ended up being missing. And there was a researcher who had been trying to get a hold of, but a researcher that was out actually looking into that incident. This was like about six months after the people disappeared. And he had found the property of where they were at. And what he describes their property as, he said it looked like King Kong went through and basically there was blood. A lot of The items that were in the house were outside of the house. The door was ripped off.

There was the inside. There was holes in the ceiling. And it just looked like hell had broke loose in there. And he said there was footprints, still footprints around that piece of that trailer that the family was in or the mobile home that they were in. Nothing ever really ever came of it. They didn't really, you never really hear the final story on they just end up being missing. and the rest of that was just kind of swept under the rug as far as what happened to them. So it makes you wonder, too, what would set something like this off?

It has been torn all still went through there. For this woolly bugger, the damn thing followed the ride to put the truck and get out of there in time. When the test, it would have got them. So it was mad. So you've got to be careful what you're doing. That was that there's things you can do and you can't do. They will get mad. Yeah, and that's the point about a lot of these stories.

What's interesting is when you read through a lot of these encounter stories, you start to see a lot of repeated type behavior, like in the Cowman incident. It made me think of Bobby Hamilton and what you had just said on this last one. And are you familiar with the Cowman Incident, Bill? No, sir. I'll have to send it to you. What ended up happening is it was up at the window. The wife started screaming, and they started trying to,

to shoot this thing because it was coming up to the house and it was starting to get aggressive and it seemed to be focused on this little kid that the family had. It seemed to be at night it would come up to his window and it would, you know, they would make faces and it seemed to be really focused on the little kid and they ended up shooting it. And so they, but they left the house that night. They were so terrified they ended up shooting this creature. Terrified they all ran to the car, got in the car, left the house and didn't come back. I don't think you he came back for a day or two, but when he came back, the whole house had been torn apart. Everything in the house was completely demolished.

They turned it in, I think they ended up turning it into the insurance company, but the whole house had been completely demolished. And what's interesting is the kid's room, the one kid that it was focused on, was left alone. But everywhere else in the house was completely torn apart. you just hear that over and over and over again. It's kind of like what Mike from the... Mike Humphreys used to tell me from the siege of Fannabi, if you shoot one... Oh, yeah. Down a whole nabee?

Yeah, he used to tell me if you shoot one, chamber another round, because you're going to need it. It's right. Yeah, if you hurt one, but you might have two. You have to be careful. Yeah, and it's interesting, too. You know, there's so much physical evidence.

This is such a fascinating topic, because there's so much physical evidence that, I'm sure, as you know, this as a police officer, there's so many witnesses that are basically describing the same thing. And there's some differences in what they describe, but the differences are based on what location they're at in the United States. But for the most part, everyone's describing the same type of creature. And then there is so much evidence. You know, there's the footprints, there's the hair, there's the blood, there's,

it's just amazing to me that the government doesn't come out or science doesn't come out and say, you know what, this thing is out there running around and there's just too much evidence to say it's not. You know, I firmly believe that there are people that null at one of the construction has been hog. A little catfish where this construction... Well, what's going to have, like, if you own this land,

can you... Can you... Can you... Can you... It can have something economically. impact. I think it would bring the economy to its knees. And people laugh at that, but I really think it'd bring the economy to its knees. You know, they'll say, well, what is it just going to stop lumber? Well, think about all the things that lumber touches. Lumber is more than just the lumber industry.

It's this tree of other industries that it touches. And then you're right, the people who have, the people who are going to be the most upset when a hunter or someone shoots one of these things and brings it in are the people that own the land. around where these things are at, because that land's going to be taken from them. Yep. National parks. If it was kids up or... Yeah, it would cripple the outdoor activities too as well.

Do you still have things going on in your property? Or do you still own that piece of property? Yeah, it's... It's down there watching the yard and all. But I forgot to... I didn't know if I'd roll my truck windows up. Let my truck up with front of me. But you just...

You can see. Either getting you a drink of water or you can hear it bust and all death length off in the woods where some of these places were I was doing some metal effect. Well, good gosh. Well, we ran to town, got some plaster or something, that damn big out there. And we've got coyotes. We got bears. Yeah, and I don't know what to think of that dogman thing anymore. You know, there is a type of Sasquatch that does kind of have, and I know I'm going to use the wrong term, I'm sure I'm going to take.

corrected on it, but a snout or a muzzle. And people, because people have described it, you know, and so there is a type that has that. And whether it's a deformity or what it is, I don't know. But there is a type where people describe it having a snout. But what's interesting in their descriptions is they are describing a Sasquatch, but they're describing it having a snout. Now, this other thing out there running around,

I don't know what to think of it because I think I've mentioned it in the past. I've talked to several credible witnesses that came out and basically said, you're wrong on this being a primate. They would go with their descriptions. And some of these other descriptions that you listen to people tell, it sounds very canine. It sounds like it has a huge jaw like a wolf. It has ears like a wolf.

You know, but I would say more of the body of a skinny Sasquatch is basically what they described, but with long claws on the hands. But the tracks I found down in Texas, I can tell you, almost 100% sure were not Sasquatch tracks. They were something else. Yeah, they're more dog-like. Very much more like dog-like tracks. Yeah. Well, since we found that, friend, I've been in Oklahoma around the Kai-Mishamount,

I would guess a dog chasing the hunters out of the woods. things have migrated over to art. I know I don't want one getting near me because... Yeah, they tend to be a lot more aggressive. You know, I've talked to a few guys down there in Texas that describe these dogman-type creatures. And I got to hate the name dog-man, but I guess I'll just keep using it. Yeah.

But they describe these dog-man-like creatures. And it's kind of... And for people listening, it's hard to understand. When you're down there and you're a local down there, they'll talk about Sasquatch the same way. they'll talk about wild hogs, the same way they'll talk about alligators, the same way they'll talk about snakes. It's just a fact of life. You'll run into these things. But the moment you bring up this dog man, the guys that have ran into it, they're first to tell you that with the Sasquatch,

they're kind of iffy on shooting one. They're, you know, unless one's coming at them. Most people think of hunters as bloodthirsty monster of people, but they're really not. They're actually most hunters, I will say, in my case, every hunter, ever. ever met is probably one of the most ethical people you'll meet because they won't just take a shot to take a shot. It has to be the right shot. And they're not just going to injure an animal. They're going to, if they shoot it, they're going to shoot it and kill it and eat it. And with the Sasquatch, so it kind of goes against a lot of what hunters believe when they run into one of these things of just shooting it just for the hell of it. Now they will tell you that if it's

coming towards them, they'll blast it. They have no problem blasting it. But the few hunters I talk to while it's down in Texas, every one of them said if I saw one of those dogmen creatures again, I would shoot it and I'd shoot to kill it and not even hesitate on it. Yeah, we do coyote hunting out here across one of these dogs. I don't think I'd hesitate twice about dropping. Her reports on coming out at southeastern Oklahoma.com issues where these things have chased the hunters and killed deer and bothered a report work. Yeah.

You never hear of anyone gifting with. with a dog man or feeding it apples or... You might try it once, and you're the gift. Yeah. Well, you go out in the woods, you got to be careful because these rascals are out there. Most of the time, what you got, you know, once everybody gets in the tents and all, they might poke around your camp. But then again, if you start, like, where are you... Yeah.

Yeah, and you're absolutely right. it's like when I was telling you when we were in Texas and the night that we were leaving one location because we only had a permit to be in there for so long but we were leaving one location and all night long we were hearing vocals from every direction it seemed like

and we were leaving in the next day Boy Scout Troop was going to come in there in camp and I remember I remember thinking man should I say something to these kids? Should I pull the scoutmaster aside and say These folks don't need to realize if you do go on, you better to make the right stuff.

They're massive. What do I have that can basically shoot through something about the width and things are wide and they're thick? You look, twink, things like that are not to keep yourself. Yeah, you're absolutely right. When the creatures pass through your property, have you ever tried to get a picture of one? Or have you ever tried? I would imagine you kind of grew up with this. It's interesting said that.

I got me a game cam here not too long ago. And I set that December, when we was out there, and it's when it went off, because it's one shape on the left side of the... Yeah, I'd love to see it. I'd love to see it. And it's one of those things where I realize a photo is not going to prove that these things are real.

The photo's not going to... Yeah, they're not going to do a thing. Yeah, it's good advice. It's definitely a good advice. Well, Bill, I want to thank you for coming on the show, and I want to thank you. I know, even with your profession, sometimes it's hard to... to come forward and talk.

And I just can't thank you enough for coming forward. I think that it's something that it'll eventually come out. I think what it's going to take is a body. It's kind of like the casino footage. You and I were just talking about, you know, they would have released that. And 50% of the audience would have said it was a fake. The other 30% of trolls would have attacked it.

And then there would have been a small percentage that would have said, hey, this looks real to me. and you're always going to have that. But I think once you have a body that comes out, someone who's brave enough to bring one out, I think that it's going to change the world, to be honest with you. I think it's going to shock the world and it's going to be justification for all the people who said, hey, I saw this.

And we're either laughed at or called liars or, you know, were torn apart because of what they said they saw. I think it's going to be just, you know, it's going to be justice for all of those people to come back and go see, I told you so. Yep, you're definitely right there. The real deal. It's educating people. That's what it's all about is educating them.

And you're giving us to keep them safe. And, you know, eventually this will get resolved as far. Good Lord, that's going to take a group of people to get that thing. You'll probably be dealing with. Yeah, it's going to be the fight of a life to get one out. Mm-hmm. Bill, I appreciate it. Okay, we're sure welcome.

I appreciate it. And I'll get down to work, and then I'll start going through and hear email them to you. And just see what you think about them. And whatever you want to do with them, you just feel free to it. If it helps with the cause, then that's a good deal. It's my pleasure. Thanks so much, ma'am. The country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote.

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