Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:971 Behind My Parents Home

Episode Date: July 14, 2023

Jeff writes "I am 52 and grew up in Deep East Texas on Lake Sam Rayburn about 55 miles north of the big thicket area I have heard mentioned on your show. I spent 12 years as an Infantry soldier in the US ARMY and I have hunted all my life all over the US. The events I'm about to tell you about happened behind my parents house and in front of my grand parents as the crow fly's about 3 miles apart. This is a really small community pop back then was 312 people. Today 172 last time I was home. The area is a largest lake in the state and multiple rivers The Angelina, Sabine a Trinity are all in close proximity. Plenty of water in the area along with very large national forest and private land. Beside the lakes and rivers the terrain is kind of hilly but covered in tall Pines with hardwoods mainly along the creeks and bottoms. Over the years a lot of clear cutting and replanting of pines also in the area. The first incident actually happened to my cousin on Christmas morning 1985. He had gotten a bicycle and took off down the dirt road from my grandparents. Everyone was at my Grandparents that morning and it was just another normal Christmas until he returned crying and scared to death and had even peed on himself. This is what he told us when he had calmed down. The chain had come off at a curve in the road where the creek crosses. Note not 30 yards from second sighting I will tell you about. While trying to fix the loose chain he heard something in the woods. He said he looked up and couldn't see anything . He thought it was one of the dogs from my grandparents home but then something leaned out from behind a big pine tree and stared at him. He stated it was tall and hairy. At the time he was 13 and I was 15. No one ever thought about Bigfoot. We grew up in those woods from playing in them to hunting in them and never once ever though about a Bigfoot. Myself and the same cousin had parked my truck on the other side of the curve and creek I mentioned previously about 30 to 40 yards up the road in a lane that went into a pine sapling thicket where it had been clear cut and replanted. We got the dogs out and just like always turned them loose on the creek. It was windy that night so it was kind of hard to hear the dogs. After about an hour and a half of walking the woods and going up and down the hills and creek beds I had a feeling like something or some body was watching us. I stopped to listen for the dogs and turned to my cousin and before I could say anything he stated something just felt weird and I told him I agreed he stated he also felt like something was trailing us. We had herd rumors that there were big cats in our area but never thought much about it till then. We kind of just shook it off and kept hunting listening for the dogs. After we stopped two more times to listen we heard an extra step to our rear. We both heard it and looked at one another. I told him to get in front of me and the next time we stopped I would shine my light behind us and shoot if I needed to. I always had a 22 pistol six shot revolver with 10 in barrel. The older westerns style. We walked and stopped probably 3 more times and I would turn and shine and nothing was ever there. We then decided to just go back to the truck and come back in the morning and find the dogs. We had done that before I would leave a tshirt or jacket in the woods and the dogs would come back to it. As we started back to the truck one dog came back to us about 200 yards from the truck we put her on a lead rope and continued to the truck. Once we got to the dirt road across from my truck I heard something to the right and shined my light coming down the road was my male dog so my cousin caught him and put him on another lead rope. We went to step out of the bar ditch onto the road and neither dog would move they were locked up looking to the left where the creek crossed the road in the curve. Neither dog barked or growled they just stayed froze. My coon hunting light had separate spot light that I used when needing more light than the standard walking headlight I unsnapped it and shined to the left what I seen was not what I expected To my left about 30 yards was a hairy something about 7 foot tall the same color of dead pine straw a rusty brownish orange color. When I shined my light it raised its hand and covered its face its palm was darker color with huge long fingers I did not see claws the hair on the arm was short at the wrist but got gradually longer towards the elbow. I saw one eye shine for a second and it was a greenish yellow color nothing I can recall has ever shined that color, I told my cousin to get in the truck we drug the dogs across the road over the closed tail gate and into the back of the truck. The whole time I held my light straight in its face and watched it. Once I got the door open to get in the truck I seen it step off the bank of the creek and down into it. The creek was dry at this time and about 8 feet deep at this area. There was a big metal culvert that was under the dirt road at that point not a bridge. We both were scared at this point and I backed out and with out thinking headed back to my parents. I did not even back out enough to get fully on the road I went up the hill in the ditch and drug the side of my truck against the bank roughly 2500 dollars worth of damage. There are more times that I could say involved something we cant explain I can cover more in detail later."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six years. This is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a male, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in he.

Uh-uh. This is John from Ontario, Canada, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We will be chatting with Jeff. And Jeff grew up in Texas, and over 40 years ago, a lot of these incidences he's going to talk about tonight

happened behind his parents' home. I started with his cousin seeing the creature, and then later Jeff saw it. And I'll kind of let Jeff go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Before we get into the show tonight, every week I try to. to play a little game with the members of the Sasquatch Chronicles website on if they can figure

out what this known animal sound is that you might hear in the forest. And for the members on the site, the first person to comment correctly, I will send you an email with a link to the shop and you can pick out whatever you want as far as merchandise and I will get it out to you. Let's listen to this week's known animal sound. It's an odd sound. It sounds like laughing. I know that Jerry, one of the members, had sent that to me. So, Jerry, you're the only one that can't answer the question.

But if you know the known animal sound, leave a comment below this episode on the website. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Jeff to the show. Jeff, thanks for coming on. Yeah, and Jeff, you know, all of this really started behind your parents' home out there in Texas over 40 years ago. When was the first time that you guys noticed something strange going on or something odd that happened? Oh, now just thinking about it. It was probably, I want to say it was 83, 84 timeframe Christmas morning.

we were all at my grandmother's and my grandfather's house. Just like any kid, my cousin, my dad was kind of like his dad. His dad passed away when he was real, real young. But anyway, he got a bicycle for Christmas that year. And, you know, just like any other kid, they're going to open one present and take off, you know,

whichever their favorite is. And he did. He took off and went down the dirt road. And where I grew up is, It's in the country. Back then, the population was like 312 people. Today, I think the sign says something like 172. It was a small fishing community on the largest man made late in the state of East Texas,

or in the state of Texas and deep east Texas called Lake Sam Rayburn. And my cousin, he took off on his bicycle, like I said. Nobody really thought nothing about it until somebody went to beating on the front. door and everybody was kind of like, you know, what's going on? Well, my aunt, she went over and opened the door and my cousin's standing there. And I mean, he was squalling. At the time, I want to say he was probably about 13, 12, 13 maybe, you know, everybody's trying to kind of figure out. And I've got a large family. We're all real tight. So, I mean, there was probably 15, 16 people over there. And he kind of got settled down. They got him in the house or whatever, and he kind of settled

down. He told him that the chain had come off on his bicycle. He thought it was one of dogs because my whole family always had dogs, but he thought there's one's dogs in the woods. And he looked up while he was trying to put the chain back on the bicycle. And he said something leaned out from behind a pine tree. Now, the area I'm talking about that I grew up is they call it the piney woods for all the pine trees. it's probably about 60 miles north of the big thicket area. Like I said before, the community is kind of on the lake.

Lake Sam Rayburn is the name of the lake. And if you're familiar with that area, there's like three million acres of woods. I mean, it's forest as far as you can see. But everybody kind of got settled down or like I said or whatever and talked to him to he said something leaned out from behind the tree and it wasn't something he had ever seen before.

And it scared him pretty good. Like I said, he dropped his bike and probably run back up the hill. I don't know, 200 yards, maybe. I mean, it bought him enough that he had peed all over his cell, squalling, couldn't him up the door. I mean, it shook him pretty bad. Well, my dad went down there and got his bike and looked around everything. He said he didn't really see nothing and come back.

Well, for years, nobody ever really said nothing about it. It was kind of like a lost afterthought type thing, you know. He wouldn't even talk about it. Well, bounce forward, about 1988. See, I graduated in 89. I went to basic training between my junior and senior year. So it would be in 1988, late 1988 timeframe. Me and that same cousin were in the same area.

I mean, just from where, he had his incident to where we had our incident probably wasn't 50 yards if he cut the curve in the road and went straight through the wood and come back out on that road. We went out coon hunting that night and like we always did, I mean, we would coon hunt when we could five, six nights a week. I mean, it was like a, that was our thing, any kind of hunting or fishing. when I come back from basic training, my dad had bought me a Dodge truck, four-wheel drive, nice truck, and bought me a new train walk or coonhound. And, of course, you know, I come back from Fort Bend, in Georgia, been gone for a while. My first thing is get back in the wood.

Yeah. Well, I didn't think that would affect me as much talking about it as it is. I mean, I'm starting to kind of get like itchy or whatever. But anyway, we took the dogs, let them go, and got on a creek bed that crossed in the curve right there below my grandmother's house. We'd probably been out there. I'd say a good hour. I mean, no, it was over there. It was probably an hour and a half.

And the wind was kind of blowing. It was making it hard to hear the dogs. And it's not mountains in that area. It's kind of like rolling hills, but we're woods, and it kind of makes it hard if the wind's blowing to it. to hear real good. We've been walking along that creek bed for a while, kind of going in and out, listening for the dogs, and you kind of get a feeling something watching you, you know, or somebody.

Well, I had that feeling for about 45 minutes to an hour, but didn't think nothing about it, really. Well, finally, we stopped to listen for the dogs, and I looked back at him when I asked, I said, I told him, I said, man, I just got a weird feeling. And he looked at me and he said like, somebody's watching us. And I was like, yeah. I said, how long you've been thinking about that?

And he's like, you know, about 45 minutes to an hour. I said, same here. Now, growing up, being in the woods since, you know, you could carry a BB gun or 22 or whatever, we were in those woods. And nothing's ever bothered us. Nothing's ever phased us. Nothing. At that time, something was bothering both of us at the same time.

So I told him, I said, look, you get ahead of me because I had a 22 that we'd shoot the cones out with. And it was like the old Ruger single six with the, I think it had a 10-inch barrel. It was like the old cowboy, you know, John Wayne type little revolver. But I told him, I said, get ahead of me. Next time we stop, I'll take and shine the woods behind us. Well, the next time we went to stop, we both stopped and we heard like an extra step. And I looked at him. He looked at me.

And I'll be honest, I didn't want to turn around to shine that light, but I did. And there was nothing. So we just kind of looked at each other. And he asked me, he said, you think it's a cat? Because, you know, everywhere you live or you go, there's stories about, you know, mountain lions or cats or whatever. We're not supposed to have them. There's a lot of people that, you know, say that they're there or whatever.

so that's kind of what we're thinking. So we went ahead and we hunted about another probably 15, 20 minutes walk and stop and listen. Every time we stopped, we hear that extra step. And I'd turn around and shine and not see nothing. About the third time, I think both

that had enough, we were like, it's time to go the truck. We'll worry about the dogs tomorrow. So we started cutting through the woods to get back to my truck. Well, I'd say probably about 200 yards from the truck, I heard something

in the woods, shine my light. You could tell it was something running. And I had a female, Trem Walker. She run up to us, and I put her on a lead rope. Well, I got her, and I told him, I said, come on, you know, we'll go on a truck, we'll throw a jacket or a t-shirt out,

come back in the morning, and that new dog, he'll be laying by the shirt. That's just a trick that people at Coon Hunt to leave her dogs overnight those sometimes. We got back to the road where I'd parked at as is a, they do a lot of clear cutting in that area for, you know, for the lumber. They had replanted pine saplings. And I'd say at this point they were probably about eight to ten foot, you know, tall, thick, pine saplings. And they had like a little road that went about probably 20 or 30 yards or just

like a pull off into those trees. So I'd part right there. The tailgate would be facing the road. So we come out at the back of my truck across the dirt road there. Well, when we stepped in the ditch, and it's like a greater blade will drop its blade on the angle. They call them bar ditches back home, and they'll clean, you know, they'll run that blade up. It's not like a real deep ditch or anything like that. It might be about a foot, maybe a foot and a half. So we're standing in there, and I've got one dog on the lead rope, and my cousin's to my right.

right in my truck straight across from me. Well, I heard something on the road, and I shine my light up the hill there up the road, and there was the other dog. So he called him, put him on the lead rope. And, you know, we kind of forgot about, you know, the something following us or whatever. So until we went across the road. Now, when we went across the road, both dogs were locked up like a pointer. I mean, just like a bird dog.

They would not move. They didn't growl. They didn't do anything. They were just looking to the left. And, you know, we like dirt on the lead rope. So like, come on, let's go and try to get them to get up on the road. And they wouldn't. At that point, I took and looked to the left.

And when I did, the coon hunting light that I had was, they call it a wheat light. It was like a brand that had the headlamp that you could wear on your head, you know, with a hard hat or whatever. But we never wore the hard hat. We just like draped it over our shoulder. And as you walk through the wood, it would shine on the ground or you could hold it in your hand. But on that, I had a six-volt, like, motorcycle battery. I mean, it was suspenders, a wide belt. I mean, it was at that point in time, it was like if you had that light, you was the man type deal.

but it had like a spotlight that clipped into that battery. And the spotlight you wore on the belt. And when you pulled it out, it was just like a regular cue beam, but it run off your cone hunting. Well, I pulled it out and it shines under my left. And when I did, across the road, the creek that we've been walking all night, crossed the road right there. Now, it didn't have a bridge.

It had like one of the big corrugated, galvanized middle culverts. Well, the creek right there was real steep banks. Well, the whole creek had real steep banks. And they were anywhere from 8 to 10 foot deep. Now, at that time, it was dry. There wasn't any water in them. But on the opposite side of the road, the same side of road my truck was on,

there to the left, right where that culvert went through the, under the road there. I mean, it clear as day when I hit it with the spotlight, When I hit it with the spotlight, man, this is getting to me. I ain't really talked about this. When I hit it with the spotlight, it put its hand up. When it put its hand up, I seen its hand. It didn't have no claws or nothing. Its hand was like, it was huge. And it, like, blocked its face. You know, if somebody shines a light at you, you know, you know,

first thing you're going to do is put your hand up to block your eyes. Now, when it did that, it wasn't like, you know, big Hercules-looking monster, nothing like that. It was hairy. It was the same color as like dead pine straw, like a rusty orange-type color. And when it put its hands up, I could see its hands, and like I said, its hand blocked its face. but I could see like the hair on the wrist was shorter but it got longer going to the elbow and it was standing there

like I said it wasn't real bulky like a bodybuilder or anything like that it was just all this this hair some of it was kind of like matted but for the most part it was just smooth you know just it didn't look it didn't look like it'd been rolling around in the mud or anything like that At this point, I told my cousin, I said, get in the truck. And I probably used a little bit more dramatic wording, you know.

But I was like, get in the truck, getting the truck now. So we drugged those dogs. And I held the light on it the whole time until I got to the truck. When I got to the truck, we both at the same time just drug the lead ropes up over the tailgate. and the dogs just kind of like flopped over into the truck. You know, I mean, I'm pretty sure they had some knots on the heads from hitting the tailgate as their butt flipped over into the truck. And I just told, I told him, I said, get in the truck, get in the truck. So we got the dogs in the truck.

I held the light on it, and back there, you don't ever lock your door. So, I mean, I just reached over, grab, I'm pretty sure if I remember right, the keys are still in the ignition. We, you know, got in the doors, got in the truck, and I held a light on it. As soon as I shut the door, I seen it like an eye shine. And I hear people from listening to your story, you know, people talking on your deal, talking about eyes blowing red and this and that. I've never seen nothing like that. But what this had was like a lime green, neon green reflection.

I really don't know anything that I've ever shined in the woods or in a pasture or anything with that coloration of eye. Now, at this time, I think I'm 18 years old, and my cousin's like three years younger than me. But anyway, we get in the truck. At this point, I started up and I throw it in reverse and I'm getting the heck out of Dodge. it takes and it steps off in the creek bed. And like the people I have talked to about this, like my boys, I've got three sons, one's 23, one's 21, and one just turned 17 last week. When they asked me about it, I tell them, I said,

if you're going to step off eight to ten foot drop, I said, what's the first thing you're going to do? And they're all like, I don't know what. And I was like, you're going to bend your knees to get, ready to absorb that, that, you know, landing, you know. This thing didn't do that. It just stepped. One step off into the ditch or off into the creek bed and then as far as I know was gone.

I backed out, got on the, or thought I was on the road and I took off back up the hill to go back to my parents. And when I've done that, I stayed in a ditch and going up that hill, I drugged the side of my truck up that hill. ended up, I think it was right at around $2,700 worth of damage to the side of this truck. Now, you got to think, I just came back from basic train. This was a present from my father or my mom and dad, you know, kind of like a graduation type deal. So when I got home and pulled into the house there, he wanted to know what, you know, what the heck I did to the truck. And I explained it to him and told him what had happened and all this and that. He's not a big believer in that, which if somebody sees something usually around there like that,

nobody's going to say nothing because people are going to think you're crazy. And he said, y'all, I don't know what y'all saw. And I was like, Daddy, I don't know what I saw. I said, you know, we never thought about Bigfoot or anything like that. Even though my cousin, about three years prior to that, had the incident the same place on Christmas morning. just nobody nobody talked about it after that we never really talked about it anymore i mean it just never came up like nobody would say anything about it i get my truck fixed i go ahead and i graduate high school and you know i go to play baseball at college because when i went to base training

that was for national guard type deal you know all these all these years go on and nobody ever really says anything about it. Well, about two years later, I'm back home, East Texas. I done went and joined the active duty army. I'm home for Christmas leave or whatever. My cousin calls me, he's like, hey, he said, let's turn some dogs loose. And I said, all right. So I go pick him up.

We get the dogs. We go on the other side of town what they call the old road. It's old Highway 147 runs off end of the lake. They built the new road and they just tore the bridge down. So this is just blacktop that goes to dirt and then it goes under water. Well, we're down in there, hiking stuff, and we get done and we go to come out and we get stuck. Well, back then, you didn't have cell phones and, you know, stuff like that. So we'd walk out to the highway and flag somebody down a lot of times and, you know, get a ride back into town or something.

You know, it's a whole different time than what we got now. So we get back out to the dirt road there and we walk down at times in the blacktop. And there's a little white house there to the left and we see lights on us. We walk up to it. And a community like that, you know, everybody knows everybody. So we walk up to the house and you got to think this is Christmas Eve, 11, 30, 12 o'clock at night. We knock on the door. A little older lady comes to the door.

she's, I'd say, mid-70. And we explained to her, you know, we were hunting down at the end of the old row. We got stuck. I need to call my granddad. She asked me who my granddad was, and I told her. And she, she, of course, knew him. She's like, yeah, that's no problem. Come in, you know, get the phone.

So I called him, and while we was waiting, we were sitting out on her front porch. And she asked me, she said, you boys, y'all grew up here, right? And I was like, yes, ma'am, I've been here our whole life. She's like, y'all been hunting all these times. I said, yes, ma'am. She said, how many bears have y'all seen? And me and my cousin, we looked at each other. And I was like, ma'am, there's no bears in this area.

I said, not that I'm aware of. I said, I've never seen any or seen any tracks or anything. And I said, why you ask that? Well, right across from her house, they clear cut probably about 140, acres there. She said she was sitting out there drinking coffee the morning before and she said she noticed a stump that was out there in that clear cut that she hadn't ever noticed before. Now this clear cut, it probably been cut about six, eight months prior. So there was probably a lot of mornings she sat out on her front porch and drank coffee

and just looked across that clear cut. But she said that she noticed the stump that she had never seen before. noticed and she said directly it just stood up and walked off into the woods and you know she thought it was a bear well me and my cousin we look at each other and we're like dude what the heck man you know we we've got over all this stuff and then now we're talking to this old lady and she's telling us she's seeing something stand up and walk out of that clear cut which was we were we've been on the back side of it was where we were stuck at so my granddad gets there and, you know, we tell him what's going on and we go down in there, he pulls us out,

and we get the heck out dodge. Well, that's kind of like the end of it for us as far as being, like, directly involved in something. Well, I've got an uncle that owns an air conditioner business. So this is a couple of years later. I saw him, was talking to him, and he always had, like, these Mexican guys, not be and racers anything. They were matching guys that worked for him. And he said one day, they'd come back.

They went to do a job behind where all this stuff happened. And like I said, it's country. It's all dirt roads. And they said they was going down the dirt road to go look at this lady's air conditioner. They turned around and come back to the shop and told him they wouldn't go back down there. And Ricky was like, you know, what the heck, you know, why won't you? y'all go down there. And the one guy said the Diablo run across the road in front of. And he's like, Diablo. And he's like, yeah, Diablo, big, Diablo, devil. But he was, he was telling the

sis. And I was like, did these guys see pretty much the same thing? We saw? Because like I said, nobody down there ever talked about Bigfoot. If you heard about Bigfoot, that was up where you live in Washington up, you know, the northwest. Nobody thought about anything like that down there, you know. Yeah, I've been through little communities like that in Texas where you'll say, hey, I'm going to go camp in this area, and they'll go, I don't know if that's a good idea. And you'll ask them why, and they won't really ever tell you. Can we back up to that first encounter?

How far away from you guys was this creature when you were four? flashing the light at it. And was there anything, any details that kind of stood out to you that you recall? Yeah. I mean, in 30 yards is probably being generous. It was probably closer. And like I said, when I hit it with the spotlight, I know people, people sit there and they describe stuff.

And I don't know how they do it. Because when I put the spotlight on it and it brought its hands up, the only thing that I could really focus on was the size of its hands. And like I said, it didn't have no claws. I didn't see no claws or, you know, nothing like that. But I've seen the size of its hand, its forearm and the hair on its forearm and like its body, the eye glowing like the lime green color between the fingers. the hands the hands were huge the fingers were like sausages

I do a lot I weld and I've got a crew that's what I do now I'm a construction former for a company and we do weld and I used to work

with an older fella and we used to tell him he had sausage fingers I mean his hands and fingers were huge and that's the only thing that I've ever seen compared to his hands

and it was it was probably half bigger than what Mr. Larry's hands were. They were long, but they were more bigger round. Like, back home, we have Earl Campbell Hot Lakes. I don't know if you've ever seen them. It's just like a little red hot sausage type deal, but that's about how big around it. It looked like the fingers were.

And then the hair from the wrist going to the elbow was short and got longer. I'd say probably like three to five inches at the elbow, and then behind the elbow hanging down was a little bit longer. It was the color of like dead pine straw, like the rusty red color of pine straw that's been on the ground for a while. And the hand was big enough. It blocked like the head. Like I couldn't see no point, no pointed head or anything like that. It wasn't a bodybuilder type.

I mean, it was broad in the shoulders, but it didn't. I can't say that it was five foot across at the shoulders, like some people say, it was just big, you know. It didn't taper down to the waist. It all kind of seemed uniform, but it was the hair, you know, hair hanging down. It wasn't all matted up. It was, it looked like it was kind of groomed or whatever. It didn't look all shaggy and raggedy and nasty. Does that make sense?

Yeah, it does make sense. And, you know, first your cousins, sees it. Everyone thinks he's, you know, a scared kid, probably saw his own shadow. Then you see it. And now your uncle's talking about people working for him seeing it. After this, did all the activity just kind of die down? In this area, I said, nobody talks about this stuff. If you see it, mom's the word. I mean, you don't say nothing because somebody's going to call you crazy. Now, here you fast forward, I'd say roughly last year.

I'm on the internet. I'm scrolling across some stuff, you know, kind of research, not really researching, just curiosity kind of getting to me. Well, I start finding out stuff. I've seen a thing where a lady talked about her family where they deer hunting. They won't go back in there and all this stuff. So I start kind of paying attention more to what she's saying, and I'm putting two and two together and it's a place that me and my dad and my uncles and my cousins hunted because once I

start putting the road intersection together and she mentioned Al Creek Hunting Club which was right there is an area that we hunted growing up back in the early 80s and now they're they're hunting it in 94 to 96 and they won't go back in there but that's the same place and they're having all kind of crazy stuff going like they're hearing the hooping, the screams. We never heard none of that. Now, when you're coon hunting and the way we would interact with our dogs, you know, we'd holler for them and stuff and tell them, you know, hunt them up, you know, and stuff like that.

And then if you was trying to find them, locate them and stuff, every once in a while you'd hit them with a whoo, whoo, you know, like that, you're not thinking about Bigfoot, you know. you'd hear it back and you'd think, dang, somebody else is on the other side of the creek over there and they letting us know that we're in the woods and they're in the woods. All right. Now if you pay attention to what other people are saying with the wolves and the stuff like that, it starts making you think, was that, you know, was that somebody else three, 400 yards through the woods hollering back letting you know that they're in the woods too?

or could it have been, you know, this, you know. Behind my parents' house is a big field in the pond. And the constable has a two-story brick house back there, and he had two daughters growing up. I dated one, and my brother dated one, you know, one year or whatever. But we were talking with them one time, and where I grew up, there's not a lot of, black families. There was some right across my aunt now that we knew real well,

older, two older women. I mean, and back then, they didn't have power. They still use lanterns and stuff like that and had an outhouse. They had a nephew or something. I can't remember what he was, but he grew up with us. I mean, we were all, when we played football in the pasture or in the field, you know, he was right there with us. was these two girls that live behind my parents there there was a pastor across on the other side of the pond there they they claim that he was peeking in their bedroom windows at night

now this is a two-story house the only trees in their yard are like 18 inch across pine trees that go way up you know above the house or whatever and we were sitting there saying one day we were like, how in the heck is he climbing them trees to peek in their house? He ain't, but they would always say they just see a black figure at the window. And nobody, you know, everybody's like, well, man, you know, I can't believe that.

You know, I don't think he would do that. Well, now you fast forward a couple of, you know, nowadays, and you think back, all right, was that him or was that something else? Yeah, it makes me think it was probably one of these things, just for the fact. that it's on the second story and they never caught this kid doing that. And I've heard that often. I mean, I often talk about the old woman down there in Texas that, you know, claim the three black guys would torment her all night long, banging on her house, banging on windows, and then running off into the forest. And, you know, when I Google mapped her home, I mean, she lives in the freaking middle of nowhere. I'm like, why would three black guys come up and

do this every night to your home? It makes no sense. And, you know, for the fact that she had no qualms about grabbing her shotgun and popping off shots as they ran back into the woods. You know, before we came on the air, you were telling me about your military service and how a strange incident happened in Colorado while you were on training or on the base. If you would, and I know you had said you weren't sure if it was Sasquatch or not, but if you would, tell me about that. I was in the military. I went to Germany, went to Fort Menon, come back and all this stuff, and I go to Fort Carson, Colorado. Well, due to the needs of the Army, I was allowed infantry. They transitioned me over to be mechanized in the military and put me on a Bradley fight vehicle.

Now, at this time, I'm a E5 sergeant in the Army, and we're on a range down on the southern, the southern end of Carson doing a gunnery with the Bradley fighting vehicle. We're sitting up in the turret one night, me and the gunner, I was a Bradley, excuse me, a Bradley commander. And we're sitting there and we wasn't really doing much. We were just kind of like on the line waiting and they were doing all the safety checks and everything before we could actually start shooting. There was two vehicles ahead of us, the stage, ready to go. And once they got to go ahead, they were going to start their engagements. And if you're familiar with a tank gunnery or a Bradley gunner or whatever,

they've got these big cardboard cutouts of trucks or tanks, and they put these heated blankets. They run off, I think, a 9-volt battery, and they just, they heat up enough to where your thermal sites will pick them up. So we're next to go. The other two vehicles are in front of us in each lane. there's like four or five of us on each lane just staged up waiting. And we're sitting there just kind of talking whatever with our headsets on,

listening to the guys ahead of us. And all of a sudden, one of the Bradley commanders starts hollering, ceasefire, ceasefire, there's somebody down range. Now, the Bradley fighting vehicle has a 25-millimeter main gun. It's not big compared to a tank, but when it goes down range, you know it's coming. I mean, it's like a thom, that's the fire rate. Then you have a 50-cow mounted on it,

and then you have a coax machine gun, and then it also carries two-toe missiles. So there's no reason if we've been firing all night that somebody would be down range. Range control is not going to be down there, and we're sitting in the, and like I said, we're sitting in the vehicle, and you hear it come over there and comms at the radio system,

that somebody, seize fire, that somebody's downrange running right to left across the range. And then you hear all kind of chatter on there. And there's like, nobody's down range. And then you hear the guys that are looking at it through their thermal sites. And there's like, yeah, somebody's down range and he's big. So it shut the whole range down for like six to seven hours to where they could go down and try to find out who was down range.

Now, like I said, I didn't witness it. You know, our guns were pointed up, so we weren't looking downrange through a thermal like the guys that were ahead of us were. Yeah, I've heard many accounts like this, you know, where guys are on bases and they're doing some sort of firing drill and someone shows up on the firing range and no one knows who it is. And, you know, I never served in the military and I admire people like you who did, Jeff. And I mean, I would think if you're down range like that, you're going to be in some deep trouble. Did they ever investigate what it was? As far as I know, I just know they shut the range down for like six hours. And like all the range control guys went down and rode around and everything.

Because the guys that seen it, the two vehicles that were ahead of us that kept reporting it, you know, they were like, dude, somebody is down range. and he's running from right to left across the range. And like I said, we're just in the vehicle listening over the radio. So they shut it down. It was shut down for like six hours to where range control could go down and ride around and the Humvees and everything and make sure that there wasn't anybody down range. And to shut down a range for six hours, that's a pretty significant type deal. Because those ranges, they usually, when you're on the range, you've got them to

certain amount of time that, you know, you're trying to get your stuff done. Yeah, I can imagine. And before I ask you what you think Sasquatch is, there was another incident in Colorado. Tell me about that. Well, like I said, I'm in the woods every chance I can get. Me and two buddies, they had come to my unit from 82nd Airborne. They were also like what we used to call each other light fighters. the live entry.

We were all stuck together. Lembrivo, you know, did die. Well, we got into fly fishing and we went to the bottom

of the Platte River runs through Woodland Park, Colorado and goes around kind of like the base of pipes feet there. Well, we were on the Platte River

fly fishing and we found a pull-off, got a little trail there, and we were going to go to stay the night and everything. So there's three of us.

And like I said, we've all been in the military for at least six, seven, eight years at this time. So everybody's E5, well, one was the E6. I was E5, my other buddy was E5. And then the other one was the E6, which is Staff Sergeant and Sergeant. So we get our little tent set up, our little camp area set up. We fish all afternoon there and we come back, we cook everything. I mean, we found a stump. And that's what we put in the middle of our campfire to burn all night long, just this one stump.

Well, we're laying there, and we got like a little three-man dome tent, something that you can backpacking in real lightweight and everything. So there's three grown men laying side by side in this little tent. And then we've got our stump burning. And I'd say the fire is probably like two foot high. Well, it's zipped up. And, you know, we're just kind of sitting there talking about what we're going to gonna do the next day and we hear something come into our little camp and i mean it's it's heavy so we're

thinking bear but then my one buddy he's like dude he said a bear's not going to come in straight to a forest you know to a campfire and i was like what do you mean and he's like dude a bear is not going to come into a fire that's uh you know we've got rocks in a three-foot circle with a good size stump in the middle of burning. And I was like, well, what do you think it is? And I'm not thinking back, you know, the back home or anything like that. And my other buddy's like, I don't know what the heck it is. He said, but it's big.

Whatever it is, you can hear it. It's big. The funny thing about it is like it would move to the right, and whoever was on the right side would roll to their left, and everybody was kind of like swapping positions in this little tent. like if I was on the right, I'd roll it to the left and then I'd roll over my buddy and get in the middle of the other one. And we kind of did that for about two or three minutes. And then we just kind of looked at each other like, you know, we're acting like we're like four years old here.

Let's, you know, start hollering or screaming or something if it's a bearer will scare it away. So we just started hollering like, hey, hey, you know. And whatever it was, it didn't run away, it just kind of eased back off into the, you know, up to the matter. So I don't know. I'm not going to say it was a Bigfoot. I'm not going to say it was a bear because why would a bear come into a big old campfire? Yeah, I know that when we talked earlier, you were like, hey, I don't know if this is Bigfoot related, but it was kind of a weird night camping.

And it makes you wonder, really, you know, bears scare pretty easily. You make a little bit of noise and they'll take off. And the fact that it didn't take off, I mean, it makes me wonder. I'm sure you've wondered over the years. You know, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? And there is no wrong answer because no one knows. But what do you think that Sasquatch is, Jeff? If someone were asked you, what would you say?

I knew this question was, and I've never really, I've never really thought about how to answer it. I've heard people's different theories from listening to your shows. Like I told you before, I traveled a lot for work, and I'm a welder. I went to Canada. I was 17 miles north of the Arctic Circle working when they were doing the oil sands deal. Me and my brother-in-law went up there. There's a lot of First Nations people working up there. And I got to know two or three of them pretty good.

Well, we were eating lunch one day, and my brother-in-law, he's the one that got me into this business when I got out of the military. And he's one of those guys that's always trying to ag stuff on or whatever. whatever. Well, we were sitting there eating lunch one day. He asked one of the, they called ourselves First Nations. When I say that, I'm referring to Native American Indians. And my brother-in-law was like, tell him what you saw. Tell him what you saw. And I was like, I was like, being quiet, dude.

Don't start all this. And he's like, no, tell him what you saw. And the Native American guy sitting across from me, he said, you know, what did you see? And I told him what I just, you know, told you. And he said, he said, you've seen the hairy man. I said, okay. He said, if you've seen the hairy man, then you was meant to see the hairy man.

And I told him, I said, dude, I wasn't meant to see no airy man. I said, we just crossed fast. I wasn't meant to see. And he said, no. He said, in their culture, the hairy man has been here for years, way before us. And he said, if the hairy man, if you're something. the hairy man, then you were chosen to see the hairy man. Now, this is what the First Nations guy is telling me.

I don't know what tribe or anything that he was with. So to answer your question, it's something that was here before us. I can't say it was an animal, but I can't say it was a human either. You see what I mean? Yeah, and I think that's a fair answer, Jeff. I mean, it's one of those, that's why there's no wrong answer. You know, if people think it's human, I can give you half a dozen reasons why you're right. If people think it's an animal, I can give you half a dozen reasons why you're right.

If people think, or there's paranormal stuff going on, I can give you half a dozen reasons why you're right. It's one of those sayings to where no one really knows, and I love to hear people's thoughts on the matter. You know, before we close out, I want to thank you again for your service to our country. I know you served for 11-5, 12 years in the military, and I do appreciate the service to the country. Can I ask you, what was your best memory of serving? What was the kind of the thing you look back that you're really proud of? Cool. I had a lot of good times.

Representing the United States, when I was stationed in Germany. We used to do a parade at the Battle of the Bulldogs every year. We would go over and march in a parade to commemorate the Battle of the Bulls and all that. And to see the people that were alive during the war and their gratitude and appreciation to the U.S. soldiers, that was a big one. And then when I was stationed at Fort Carson, Colorado, I received an award for outstanding military voluntary of the year where I went up against, I represented the E5 to E6 category for the Army and for the state of Colorado, the Marines, the Air Force, the National Guard, the Air National Guard and everything, and I won that.

And I had to say that was my two proudest moments. Yeah, two moments in time you can definitely be proud of for sure. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on the show. and share what happened to you, Jeff. I really enjoyed chatting with you, man. Thank you so much. Yeah, I appreciate it too. Like I said, it's 30-something years ago,

and this is like the first time I really talked about it with someone that I didn't really know, you know what I make. Well, I'm honored you would share it here, Jeff, for sure. Yes, sir, and have a good week. Thanks, Jeff. And at the beginning of the show, I played this known animal sound for the members. And if you know what kind of animals making this sound, comment below this episode. And I will send you an email along with a link to the shop.

And you can tell me what you want as far as merchandise. Let's listen to the sound again. It's crazy. That's a fox. Sounds like it's laughing. Good luck to the members guessing below. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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