Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:98 The Big Thicket Monster

Episode Date: April 26, 2015

Tonight my guest is Tim Sermons who had an encounter with a Sasquatch when he was younger. The creature walked through his back yard and stepped over a fence. Tim also spent a lot of time as a BFRO investigator and I have asked him to bring some encounter stories that he investigated. Nowadays Tim investigates Sasquatch in East Texas with Bob Garrett, and shares some of his experiences while out in the field. Tim is a wealth of knowledge and I want to welcome him to the show.   If you have had an encounter and would like to be on the show, email me at [e-mail]. To get updates and upcoming shows please visit us at www.sasquatchchronicles.com

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one of that damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

You know, the look it was given me. What was here putting? See you. Get somebody out. It's about six. Yes, I'm looking right at him. I'm a Saskwatra, a place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Hope everyone's weekend's going great. Got a great show plan for everyone. Tonight I'm going to be speaking with Tim Sermons, and Tim's actually a researcher out there in Texas. He's right along there side-by-side with Bob Garrett.

and Tim actually started out in the BFRO. He had a encounter prior to that, but he went to the BFRO, worked with them, and then decided to part ways, and now he's down in Texas. So he's got a lot of encounter stories that he's going to be sharing tonight. So everyone, I hope you're buckled in.

It's going to be a great show. And I want to welcome Tim to the show. Well, thanks. My pleasure to be here. Can you talk about your encounter that you had when you were a child, kind of your first experience with running into a Sasquatch, and kind of walk us into what you're doing and then tell us about your encounter. Probably around 11, I guess.

We live, we're really about 10 miles out of town. We had six acres that backed up to the Statue National Forest. And for those of you that don't know, the Satchew National Forest, it is a national forest that basically takes 80% of the state right through the center all the way on the forest. Arkansas. And, you know, I didn't really think much about Bigfoot. I've seen in search of and, you know, some of the Bigfoot books and stuff like that as a kid in school and checking out books in the library about this thing and, you know, various other monsters and stories and things like that. Well, basically, I guess one night, I couldn't even tell you the day or time, really. I think it was probably spring. I woke up, well, I guess let me preface by saying that we had six acres. The house was an

acre off the road, and then we all had a half acre for the backyard, and then the rest of the land was nothing but wood. We didn't have a real close neighbor, he was the houses were a great deal apart. And like most country people, we had a street light, you know, a big pole on the backyard that would illuminate, and it would outline my window, and we had those big, tall, seen windows in the house, and I look up on that with some sort of noise. And I'm laying there in bed, and I'm looking at the window, and I see this big, massive shell. shadow walked past the window. Describe that shadow, it was as tall as the window,

and it was just a walk right by, it had a forward head. Its head was like leaning forward, and it looked like it had messy hair. You like hair on your head, but it was like messy. But I'm sitting there as an 11-year-old chair. I'm like, who's in my yard? So I get out of bed, and I go around to the back porch, and I open the door and I go outside and I look. And as I'm looking,

and the street lights is kind of in that area. I'm looking off to my left at the corner of the fence there and I see a big massive person. So I thought, just step over to Changeling's fence like it was nothing and walking into the woods. I run back in her house. I go let my dad up. He gets up, he walks up there and looks here and looks.

He goes, there's nobody out here, so I'm usually streaming. Go back to bed. So I went back to bed. But I went back to the next morning, and I told my dad, he asked me about it, and I said, well, what do you think it was? I said, I don't think it was too big to be anybody. There was a big, big, big person or something. It had, you know, this big, broad shoulders, and it just stepped across the chain of the same thing.

I said, I think it was a big foot. He said, no, son, there's no thing as big foot. So anyway, I kind of just dropped it at that, and I remember we never brought it up again. It was like several several years before I even considered even thinking about Bigfoot. So the thing walks across your yard and just steps over a chain link fence. I would imagine it's a tall chain link fence? Well, yeah, you know, probably what, just high, so what, four and a half to five and a half feet tall maybe? Wow, and I just stepped over.

Yeah. Did you guys have any more incidences around the property? No. Not that I can remember. The only other time that I can think of anything very, very strange ever happening is we were we were popping fireworks. It was like New Year's or Christmas, it was one of those during that time of year.

We were pumping fireworks set up on the backyard. My oldest brother was there, and my dad and my cousins, and we heard this, the horrible scream come out of the wood, and my oldest brother just told me that was just the cat,

just don't worry about it, you know. And that's the only other thing that I could ever remember happening, those two things, me having the fighting, and then that vocalization that I heard that night. Did you have any other incidents that's happened prior to joining the BFORO? I really haven't.

And I got interested in the BFRO. You know, I guess the one positive thing that I can say about Rick Dyer is when they pulled off that hoax, of course, it sparked my interest again because I was one of the people that was thinking, oh, crap, maybe these things really are to do exist, you know. So I started searching a lot, and of course I found the BFRO, so then I got, involved in that and actually went on an expedition. I went to Missouri in 2008, I think, and had a blast up there. There were some interesting things that happened up there, and I just kind of caught the thesis from there.

Came back, I learned a lot from those guys, and I came back, and I started looking at top-o-map in my area. I started going exploring, and I'd go a lot by myself. Didn't know really what I was doing, but I just, you know, walked down this trail, that trail during the day and just got around everything would look like it was, you know, had a good potential to have activity from what I was learning. I then went on a second expedition. Nothing happened on that expedition.

This was in Georgia. And then I went another expedition to Oklahoma, which was very, very active. There were a lot of vocalizations and things like that that were gotten from that area. After my third expedition, I actually became an investigator with the FLRO, and some of it being able to do reports. I did most of the reports. Well, for a town I did a lot of the reports from Mississippi. And I did some in Oklahoma and I did some in Louisiana.

One of the things I wanted to have you go into for the show, I know you and I just talked about it, if you would kind of go into some of the strangest reports that you investigated, some of the odd ones. I know we had just talked about three of them. Can you tell the audience about some of the strange reports, or some of the more memorable ones that you went and investigated? You know, the way they're, well, I guess I need to kind of tell you other systems does.

People put in reports and then it gets kind of filtered into whatever areas you're signed up for, divided by state. So then you get a report that comes across in your state and you go and you do a preliminary and you read what the person wrote, and then there's another section. It's kind of like a forum that is pretty detailed, like GPS location, you know, time of day. pretty specific. So I started getting some of these reports in and reading them, of course, you know,

you get the bullcrap reports, you know. I saw a Sasquod shot a unicorn running across the road so you just have to get to get that stuff. But then you run across the one that you're like, huh, well, let me call this guy. Or let me contact this guy and see if we can talk.

And usually, it's done by email initially. I guess one of the very memorable ones I did, but had to do with a deer hunter. And the deer hunter, he was actually from Memphis and he hunted in Mississippi. And he had his own little private Idaho, if you will, on where he hunted deer. And if anybody knows anything about deer hunters, once they have their little honey hole, they don't want to share it, they're not going to give it up, and they're going to always hunt there. And this guy had just that, and he said he'd still beer out of there that were, you know, 10.

12 point score 150, you know, easily. Good deer. When he starts off by telling me that he had gone to his spot there and it found in the headwaters near the Tallahatchie River, and he put the climbing stand in the day before. When walking in, he hears a wood knock, and he's like, huh, that's interesting. And he, after he set his deer stand up, his climbing stand, he left and waited to come back to next morning.

He got there just before day break, walked in there. got in his climbing stand, climbed up, and he's sitting there, he goes, it's just about daylight, you know, and he starts seeing this bush, this big bush, start moving about 200 yards away, and he's thinking, oh, great years, going to be in my first deer,

that's a deer earlier, making a rub. So he picks up his binoculars, and he starts finding what he's looking at, and he sees what he first describes as a bear. And he's like, oh, what, that's a bear, you know, a big black bear. But he said as he was looking, the binoculars thawed up. So he put those down and he went to his rifle scope.

Well, he went to his rifle scope and he saw the whole side of the head, he saw the ear, the close-cropped ear, and he saw this big massive thing just squatted down on the ground. And it was doing something with the tree, making it move, and it was doing something on the ground. Well, he couldn't believe what he was seeing. So he stood up to get a better view with his rifle. When you did that, the stand must have made a little squeak.

or a noise or something. Well, the thing stopped doing what it was doing, stuck its nose in the air and started turning its head. And then it turned around and looked at him. It stood up on two legs and ran as he's facing it to his left. And he was like, my God, what the hell was I just seeing? Now you guys, you have to remember when you're talking to these guys, this guy's voice was shaken.

I mean, he was legitimately scared even retelling the story. And I know less you said they people were all the time. to do that when we start talking to them, especially on the radio show, and I've even heard it on your show where they're taking into it, and it's almost like they're reliving it. It's almost like a PTSD kind of thing. Yeah, that's exactly what people live. That's exactly what this guy was like.

Yeah. And so he saw it actually run on two legs. It wasn't like it took off on four legs. This thing took off running on two legs. Yeah, it stood up. Now, you've got to remember, it's two hard yards away he's looking at it through a rifle scope. And the thing stands up and runs away on two legs.

So I asked the guy, I'm like, what are you doing? What did you do then? He goes, I sat down and I thought about it. He goes, I know, I'm not crazy. That was no, that was no bear. I'm not crazy. And I said, well, what'd you do then? He goes, I climbed down.

So were you going to leave? He said, nope. I was going to go there, and I had every intention of shooting this thing, every intention of killing it. Because I wasn't going to be made a full of, and I didn't know what this thing was. I was going to kill it. So he walks for 200 yards over to where this thing was,

and he looks down and he sees a track where it had slid in the mud there as it ran off. He said it was the biggest track he'd ever seen. He could put both his feet inside the track. He started to go in the direction that it went, and he heard another wood knock, and it came from the direction that this alleged creature went. But to his right, on the other side, he heard a whoop. And he said, I realized then that I was not alone. There were more than one, and as big as that thing was,

I was not hanging around to see what that was. So I got out there. I tried and tried to get that guy to meet me. I tried and tried to get out there. He told me where the location was, so I had to go by myself to go check this place out. And it did not disappoint. I don't know.

I'm not even sure I found the exact place he was talking about. You know, here you got a big bad deer hunter that's been out all his life, and he doesn't even hunt anymore. He will not go back to that spot. He wouldn't even meet me out there in the daytime just to even, you know, go through the scene with him. Would not do it. So that was a very, very good report.

We didn't actually talk about this one, but the other, I guess the deer hunting or the hunter stories are the ones that intrigue me the most. Because the deer hunters are the hunters or the ones that will give you the most crap about this, but they're also the ones that their reports are probably the most of the standard. I agree with you 100%, because a deer hunter, or not even just your hunter in general, you know, people talk about, because we've had, police officers on the show. We've had doctors on the show. We've had judges on the show. For me, I love to hear from everyone, but my ears perk up really quick when it's a hunter. Because the hunter knows what they're looking at. You know, they're not going to mistake it for something else. And they're out there all the time. And so to me, it lends a lot of credibility when you get a report from a hunter.

Yeah, without a doubt. Well, the next report I got is a hunter report as well. this was a woman female hunter, and this is in southern Mississippi. I did not actually get the report, but it was, I know it was done through BFRO, but it was one that, or maybe, it may not have been through them, it may have been through another group. But it was a similar situation, this woman's in her deer stand, and she's on the edge of a green field, and she's sitting there watching this young doe.

She wasn't going to kill the dough. She was just watching it. And she looked down to see a big foot below her, tree stand crouched and it stealthily moved to the edge of the greenfield and the deer got a little bit closer. Well, this squash

leapt and grabbed that deer and put it in like a bear hug and killed it that way. And that was the first time I ever heard of that. It had grabbed the deer and put it in a bear hug and killed it? Yeah. I've never heard that either. You usually hear about them

breaking the neck, breaking the left, breaking the neck, that kind of thing. But yeah, this one did that. And the most interesting thing is what it did is it picked it up under its arm, like a sack of groceries, walked back to where the woman was in her deer stand, went behind her into the brush,

and threw it down and where she could begin to hear it eat this deer. And she did not come out of the stand for several, several hours. They actually had to come get her. The people she was with had to come get her and get her down. pretty horrific deer hunting story right there. Yeah, talk about PTSD.

Yeah, of course you're the other, the famous one in Texas with the hog hunter. That was probably one of the first ones that got me interested when I started researching Bigfoot, and I was reading the database on all these different, you know, groups, websites and stuff. When I ran across that one, that was pretty cool, it was very similar.

But it brings you to commonalities. The encounter you're just talking about, was that the one where the hunter was in his deer stand and he saw it pick up hogs and smash it against trees and then eat them? Yeah, well, yeah, I carried it off, yeah. Yeah, that's the one I was talking about. The interesting thing is, you know, you take that report, you take one of the first one that I said,

and you take this and you look at the commonalities. You know, what was the creature doing? Well, in two of those incidents, the creature was actually hunting. The other one, I don't know what he was doing the very first one. He was just over there, I guess, bigger than the hood. I don't know. But so now you got, out of those three reports, you got two commonalities, so that shows you that.

yes, these things do hunt. That's kind of how I'm taking what I've learned from doing reports. And I was taught by that, Bob, you know, somebody that has done a lot of reports and kind of steer me that direction. Basically, the rule of phone to do when we're doing any report is if you can explain it by any normal means, then you have to explain it that way. When you can't explain it, you've got the mystery, and then you've got what we're looking for. I don't know if that makes sense or not.

but you get what I'm trying to say. Yeah, no, I understand completely. You want to rule everything out first. You don't want to go straight to it being, hey, I saw Bigfoot, or hey, I saw a Sasquatch. It's interesting. A lot of people I've spoken to, and I'm sure you ran across this, Tim,

when you were talking with people. Most people won't really come out and say, hey, I saw Bigfoot, or hey, I saw Sasquatch. They'll usually refer to it as a monster, or they'll say, I saw this. I don't know really what it is. Those are the ones that really fascinate me because they're describing a Sasquatch, but they're not, they don't assign it that title because they've never seen it before.

They don't know really what they're looking at. They think, they have an idea. It's probably this. But a lot of people, I think, are looking for confirmation of what did I see? You know, tell me I'm not crazy. And what did I see? You had a report you're telling me about where a guy, someone in his backyard, And it was kind of interesting because no one had lived in that house.

Do you want to talk about that report? Yeah, this is another one out of Mississippi. It's northern Mississippi. And he lived out rurally, and he was a long-haul truck driver. So he wasn't home a lot. And it was his uncle's house. He was a musician that traveled around and whatnot. And then when his uncle died or whatever, he just took the place over.

He bought the place, took it over. But it had been empty for like five years. And again, it backs up to a lot of property. and so actually I think it actually backs up to a natural preserve or a national preserve or something like that, wildlife refuge or something. This guy didn't think anything about Bigfoot or Sasquatch or anything like that, and he worked all kinds of crazy hours,

so he was up at any time he could possible be up. He has had several encounters when he submitted the report at the time, and the very first one, he was out on his back porch, and he had a shed right over by the word, and he was actually on his back porch, relieving himself off the back porch. He noticed that there was a big man, a huge man crouched over by his porch.

And see, well, what I didn't tell you earlier was is his neighborhood said that he saw some guy around his house the other night, and he wanted him to be aware about him. You know, he thought maybe a prowler or something was around. So he's out there, and he sees this big, huge man, all in black, all black.

He thought he was wearing a black jumpsuit, he crouched him. looking at him. So he yells at the guy, hey, where do you doing over there? Well, this thing just rises up, just stands up,

doesn't use it on it, just rises up from a crowd's position, looks at him, and it's just massive. It's taller than a shed. Turns and runs and goes into the woods.

Another detail that I'll tell you about this is back there was like a little, not an irrigation ditch, but some sort of runoff ditch that's back there that's probably about 20 feet. This thing, jumped across that as it was going into the woods. He just jumped right across it.

That pretty much rules out of, well, I think standing higher than the shed is probably rules out a man anyway. But now this house, no one had lived in this house for a while, right? I mean, it was like five years. That's right, five years. He had to come in. He was cleaning it up, cleaning it up, working on it, you know, whatnot, stuff like that. Didn't the people prior that lived there think the house was haunted?

And why did they think the house was haunted? You know, he did mention that when I interviewed him, too. And it was just because, you know, the house would get, like, clapped or, you know, you'd hear banging on the door or this or that, just other stuff. And, you know, that alone, you can't just say that that's a big footer, that squat. So I could see where they would have said that. But him having the siding and everything, that kind of makes you raise an eyebrow.

Yeah, I think it adds to it. I mean, it's kind of like the people I was telling you about. down in Texas that, you know, when they first moved in, they thought the place was haunted. And I asked him, why did you, why do you think the house was haunted? She said, you know, at night, the house would get slapped, or there'd be rocks thrown at the house. It sounded like rocks hitting the house. You know, she goes, we just kind of thought the place was haunted until we saw this thing running back into the forest. But the encounter you were just telling me, reminds me of, and I have it in the intro, it's a 911 call.

you know where the guy calls 911 it's in his backyard and he's saying it's all black and it's huge and it's the same type of what I thought was interesting about the encounter though is how it stood up they didn't use its hands

it didn't it just went from a crouch position to all of a sudden now it's standing up well and that's one of the things when I said when you do these reports you have to find those commonalities I've heard that often that they'll just they don't have to use their arms to stand up

they just go from a crouch to stand and just and one fluid motion. So that's one of the commonalities you can put in there. And that's kind of how I like to take. You know, I'm not with BFR anymore, so I've taken a lot that I've learned from them. And I'm very friendly with a lot of other groups. CCTBRO, America, Texla. I've got a lot of good friends in all those groups.

So I do research with them from time to time, including. I still do a little bit with BFRO when they're around and things like that. But that's the way I've taken my research. is that you have to look for those common things that are in all reports that are legitimate. You know, you have to be able to pick those out. And it just takes time and experience to see what you're looking for and things like that. Well, I'm kind of curious, and I want you to talk about you went out with the BFRO on an expedition with them. And I know you try and help, you know, to get you still friends in the BFRO.

and, you know, the BFRO, I think, has some good researchers in that group. I think what gets lost sometimes, and I know it's gotten lost on the show, you can't place everyone in the BFRO as just, you can't think Moneymaker, or if you have a dislike for moneymaker for whatever reason. You can't then assign everyone in the BFRO as Moneymaker, because there are some good people in the BFRO. I know like Jim Sherman is why I love the guys the sound he puts together the sounds he is able to capture reminds me of what you guys do down there in Texas you know he just does a great job at capturing sound

but you went out with these guys and you want to talk about the bridge incident yeah I can actually uh they did uh they did two expeditions uh down here um I'm not I'll talk about the first one I'll talk about the second one It was probably fall, early fall. The organizers asking about areas. Well, first of all, I got to talk about Texas in general. When you talk about Texas and you talk about being in the southwest,

as you know, because you've been here, there are other things that are past watch in the woods that you have to worry about. There are snakes. Everything. Like everything? even the rabbits will kill you down there.

Even the rats. Even the rats. I mean, we just put the clears out and you should have seen the size of this wood rat. It attacked the doggone clear that we had out in the woods. I was like, you got to be kidding me. You thought it was an opossom, but it wasn't. It was a dang wood rat. Jesus.

I know you guys were talking about having, or I was thinking about coming back down in May or June, and all the stuff that will kill you is out. about then. I'm not sure if I'm man enough to come down there and, you know, I can't be like Bob. He's been bitten, what, 11, 12 times? I think one bite would be enough for me from a snake. Yeah, he got a 12 bite last summer, actually, from a cane break rattlesnake. And he was, the funny thing is, is he did actually wear a snake boots. And the snake went through a snake, boots. They were older snake boots, I'm sure. They were probably about six years old, the Kevlarger-Rub.

down. What did save him on that was the thing actually just scratched him so he didn't get a full inflammation like a full bite. And that probably kept him out of the hospital, but it put this well up. But yeah, you didn't have to worry about that stuff. But go ahead. I didn't mean to cut you up. This particular area, and with them being a far or an expedition, I didn't really want to,

I'm not going to give them up the pre-no spots, but I will help them. with areas that they'll at least be able to have experiences. So they came down. You know, I went out, you know, Bob Garrett went out with them a little bit and showed them, you have this trail, you have this trail, you have this trail, and you have this trail. These are all good trails. You can go down them. You know, you can have experiences, but you need to watch out for hogs.

You need to watch out for snakes. You need to watch out for coyotes and things like that, you know. There was one particular trail, and we call it the bridge. the very first night there were 14 people they decided they wanted to go in one group and go down the trail I did not want to give them

we did not want to give this trail up mainly because there is a lot of activity on that trail and we were actually researching that trail but we knew they would not get any vocalizations and the thought process was behind or going there were 14 people they're not going to get any vocalizations

but they might have a 50-50 shot at actually seeing something so but with 14 people you know you're thinking now there ain't no way if you're ever going to see anything and the trail is wide so it was the very first night i'm like all right fine we'll go down there we got to walk about a half a mile into where we're going so we get there you got 14 people standing along this trail and some of us are on this bridge and we're all standing around there's three people with clears now only one of those clears were recordable so we're you know basically sitting around there, looking.

And then the organizer looked at me and said, why don't you do a call and see what happens? I said, okay, well, you know, we really normally don't do calls out here, but okay, I don't mind doing that just to see what happens. So I let off, you know, and then nothing happened. So I'm standing there looking around and the organizer's got it clear up and he's looking at all of a sudden he says, contact. And I said, what?

He says, I got contact. He goes, holy crap. there's two and he's he's never seen a big foot before at all and he's actually looking at two of them

through the Fleer he's like holy crap holy crap holy crap and it's and you know then the guy next

the other guy next to me on my right he has a fleer he's looking he goes holy crap I feel him too they're sitting

watching these two things I said hey I'm like let me borrow you flea for one second I just want to clarify what you're looking at and he's like

oh okay here here follow it and I'm yeah I'm looking at two saskwatch One of them is behind the tree and he leans out and squat down, look back up, goes behind the tree

and I said, yeah, you're looking at two sass watches here you go, I'm like, going to get him the flitter back. As they're watching him, Mark, who's on the other side, hey, one of them's coming around behind us. And the guy with the third clear, I said, Gabe, go ahead and turn around and look and see if anything's behind us. Because what that thing was doing,

he's actually flanking us and going to come around behind us. and that's because that's some of the behavior that I've seen that they do down here in our own research. Well, you've got 14 people up there. The three guys at the Fleer were so ecstatic and so excited about sitting here looking at these things that they never bothered to show anybody else. And I only saw it for about, I don't know, eight seconds just to verify that they were looking at because I wanted to make sure it was without a doubt what they were looking at.

I got a little nervous when they came around behind us. And I said, you know, we can't. And I have a very good reason for doing what I'm about to tell you all. So most people are like, why did you leave? Well, there's a reason why I left, and I'm probably not going to get into that. I asked everybody, so we just need to get out of here if it's not safe. And we walked on out of the trail. But that night was very special.

And I do remember one guy in that whole group. So what about that behavior? aggressive. And I just looked at it and I said, dude, really? I said, you got 14 people out here and you got two fast watches that did not care that you were there and they were

coming closer and coming around behind us and there's still 14 people out there. You tell me that's just normal behavior from all the reports and everything. You tell me that's normal behavior or is that not aggressive? He just looked at me. It's an ambush almost like they're

setting up. You know, they're not going to, a normal animal is going to surround you like that unless it has bad intent and bad intent. A cougar is not going to stock you in the woods unless it has intent on getting you. It's just not following along like a pussycat. It has bad intent on getting you. And you and you might agree with me on this and you can tell me your theory on it, but them coming in closer, not caring that you guys are seeing them. And then one that directly goes to the rear of where you guys are at tells me that, you know, there were

cornering you guys and trying to get you guys into a corner. That's pretty balzy for 14 people, man. It is very balzy for 14 people, but like I said, the squashes are in this area, it's being like they're retarded. And maybe I shouldn't use that word. They're special. No, I get to. They're very aggressive in that area.

Yeah. Did everyone kind of disagree with you on wanting to leave? Oh, no. Actually, there were some women that were demanding the ladies. I mean, some wanted to stay, and that's fine and everything, but I just couldn't be with, I could not have people out there,

no one would I know, and having it, I could not, I would feel responsible for 14 people. You know what I mean? Yeah, do you want to leave the meat wagon thing out or do you want to talk about that?

We can, well, I can touch on it. If you want to, the reason that I say these things are aggressive is because from time to die, from time to time,

you can see the sheriff's department in the corner they're pulling body parts out of that particular area. So that's another reason why. That was another reason to leave. I had known that going in, but I never said anything to them about that. A little bit I know. The 50-50 shot became 100% shot of seeing something with 14 people going down that trail. I would say one of the biggest things,

and this really isn't something that I've talked about so far, is when I was down there in Texas, you know, the maps that Bob has put together, you guys have put together, are pretty extensive maps. But what's interesting is when you overlay the map with encounters or sightings with missing people,

I remember looking at the map and I'm sitting there looking at this map of sightings and I'm looking at different sightings, you know, where people have seen them, where Bob seeing them where you guys have seen them in these other areas. And then you overlay it with the missing people that have been reported. It's pretty disturbing to see it because where there's missing people, there's obvious there's hotbeds of sightings in the same area that there's missing people.

And so it's not hard to put two and two together on what's happening to people, especially when you have the information like that. You know, so I can understand why you'd want to leave the area, you know, knowing what you knew of that area, especially, you know, if something went bad, I know you're the type of guy, Tim, you had felt responsible for something going bad. Now, when you guys were out,

there was an encounter that you, Bob, and Bob's son had when it actually charged you guys. Do you want to talk about that night? Yeah, but I'd like to, yeah, but before I'm talking about, I want to clarify something to everybody. And it's a bit of a controversial, and I'm not a controversy,

and I'm not going to elaborate at all. And I'm saying this for the record. I was not even in this area whenever there was a film that was put out about a camp that had been demolished. I had, I was nothing, I wasn't, any part of that original,

had nothing to do with it. Yeah, you went there at the, the torn-up camp. But the sighting that you're talking about and the experience that you're talking about happened at that location. And we had gone down there. We had been at a completely different other area, and we hit clear, and we were doing our thing and listening for sounds and have recordings.

I remember it was very cold. So we left that area and we drilled down there because they wanted to show me the site. And I wanted to see the site, you know, who wouldn't want to see the site? it kind of give you a perspective of what it's like to go down there. All right, so you're going six miles down a dirt road

and then you go another five, you take it to turn, and you go another five mile, and then you take a fork and you go another eight or nine mile, and then the road ends. Well, that's the location that we're talking about. We get out of the vehicles, and, you know, I'm getting the, you know,

tour, tour. Well, this is where this was. This is where that was. This is this. And I'm sitting there looking at this area. And you're going to talk about a spooky place anyway. It's just spooky as hill. If you ever, I would just wish people could know where it was and I'm not going to tell them. But I mean, I'm just going to say it's a very, very lonely drive there. And it's a very, very lonely spot. And it's spooky during the day. I can't even imagine what it's like at night. During the day, you get a vibe from that area. That's for sure. Oh, without a doubt.

So we're looking around and everything, and we get further in, and we hear it would not. When I stopped and I look at the guys, and I'm like, you hear that? They shake your head, yeah. We just kept on going. As we keep going, we get up to where there's a big tree, and there was another tree that was pushed broken, basically, leaning across it. All of a sudden, man, it's like a dam. elephant coming running through the brush tree snapping and everything else and you can get your footsteps and everything well the three of us backed up probably a matter of 40 feet in a

matter of seconds and I don't know how we did it and I'll put the spotlight up it was actually a green laser and I think that's the only reason why the thing stopped does it stop right here at that tree, probably about 10 feet away from us. We're all three looking at it, and it's like when it turns around and walks back into the woods. Very, very, very, very, very frightening.

It's probably one of the scariest parts of times that I've had. But, what you don't know is we went back the next day. We went back the next day and started looking around in the daylight, and we found 12-13-inch tracks by the tree. And then we found 18-inch track. So the theory that we kind of came based on a track was there must have been a smaller one there.

When mommy or daddy was somewhere else or close by, we come walking in and it hits the tree and calls for health and then we get charged. And that's kind of, that's our theory on what happens, basically. another thing that people don't realize too about this particular area when you drive your vehicle down there and this was a mistake and I don't ever do this mistake again I drove down there straight on there's not a good place to really turn around now when I go down there I go in

and like pull in and back back out and turn around some of my car pointed out because there's only one way to go in and one way to go out yeah especially there that night. We didn't do it that night. But from now on, I mean, ever since then, we go down there, we turn the vehicles around. Let me ask you, do you think it was just bluff chart?

You know, like a lot of different primates will do, like, gorillas are notorious for it. Do you think it was bluff charging you guys? Or do you think you were just moments away from being ripped apart and the lasers stopped it? I don't know. I like to think that we were buffcharged, but I really don't have an answer to it. I'm just glad it. There's no telling.

I don't know what it's something was. At any point, did you guys think shoot it? Oh, yeah. Bob was like, get the gun, Travis, get the gun. It was a 45 caliber pistol. That is another reason, by the way. I carry now. I would never carry it before.

but because of that incident but I always have a gun with me. Bob actually had a gun. Travis had a gun there that night, but it was in the truck. Now it's always on our person somewhere. In your encounters, there are times that you've encountered these sayings

and a lot of the reports that you've taken, do you think that the chances of coming across these are better at night, or do you think it's more during the day, or do you think it's kind of irrelevant? Honestly, I think it's kind of irrelevant. But you have to understand, though. I had a sighting when I was 12.

I didn't see another one, really. Not one that I can say for sure that I saw one until I got to Texas. People say that you're not going to see them in the rain. Okay, whatever. My best sighting I had here was in the rain. The vocalizations, all the best vocalizations I've gotten have been in the rain. That wasn't downpored thunderstorm, but it was raining. People seen them in the daytime.

People see him in the night. They see them in the morning. They see them in midday. It doesn't matter. I think you're probably more apt to see them at dawn and dusk, just like you do any other animal. But I think encountering them at night is probably your odds is just as good at night. If there are any other time, day just as good.

I mean, we've got just as many daytime time time. I mean, we've got just as many daytime time, silent and reports too. I think the other thing, too, a lot of people who are listening may not quite understand why someone like yourself or myself or other people. with that encounters go out looking for them because they'll think what is the end goal. And I know like in your guys' case, you guys have them on thermals

and you guys have videos of them. You guys have hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of audio. Some of the best audio out there. Do you ever get to the point where you're just, you're tired of getting audio, you're tired of watch them on fleers, you're tired of, and you just kind of want to go out

and prove it. You just kind of want to go out and prove it. prove it to the world. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you do because we were to the point. I mean, just like, you know, just like the point of on the bridge when I took the clear and looked at them, I mean, I didn't know it was amazing that I got there and said that, yeah, you're looking at two squashes and get the clear back home. You know, we go out there and we hear two or three wood knock from we're disappointed,

you know? I mean, Leshey, you know, when you were out there, we were like, having times that we apologize to your job Apologist, I'm sorry it's not as accurate as it normally is. Yeah. It's a lot soon, wasn't it? Yeah, all of you guys were,

all of you guys were very apologetic, which made me laugh because there was so much activity out there. I was just blown away by it, you know, the constant vocals. And, yeah, I will say there's not a lot that shakes your guys as group up, that's for sure. You guys have definitely been

battle tested. I will say that. Well, you know, that's the other thing, too. when I got here, I realized I didn't know anything. And I'm not saying I do now because I really don't. But what I do know is you have to get out and you have to put the hours in and you have to go where they are. And I had a good friend of mine tell me, he goes, how can anybody?

He went to some festival and he's like, all these big-name people are out there and they're just sitting at a public campground going, oh, listen to that, listen to that. And he said, I wanted to go out down the trail. They're like, you're crazy if you want to go down there. And this is a guy from Mississippi. There's a friend of mine, and he goes out by himself. I tell him he's a little nuts now for going out by himself. But there it's a little bit different.

You don't hear of them being quite as aggressive in Mississippi as you do here either. You do get tired of hearing locals, and you do get tired of it. You always want something more and more, I guess, is what I guess I'm trying to say. You always want to get more evidence, better evidence. You want to talk about trackcasts? I mean, we've gotten track cast. I mean, when you were here, Wes, I mean, we had a track. Remember, you were like, well, show me it was a track.

And so we'll watch the wait until it comes up, we'll pull it up and we'll look at it together, you know. But that track cast didn't come to fruition because of the doggone that we had, you know. Yeah. So it never set right and everything. But that was a whole trackway right. Let me ask you, when you were with the BFRO, and I'm sure you've heard stories, I don't know if you actually handled any encounters like this, but I know you've heard these same type of stories, Tim.

When they seem to focus on a property, I've had a several lately that people contact me. It's mainly down south, and they'll tell me about what's going on on the property. And it's the same story over and over and over again. And what's interesting is none of these people know each other. most of them aren't really into Bigfoot but they'll describe the same type of behavior over and over and over again

like the house being slapped coming and turning the doorknob like it's trying to get in peeking in the windows do you think that's curiosity or do you think that there's something more sinister going on? I'll give you an example

I know I was looking to have Bobby Hamilton on this last week where he had one motioning for him to come to the window and I know you know of the Cowman story but where they're actually coming up and focusing on a house, what do you think the intent there is? Like I said, you got to look at commonality.

In these incidences, whose home at the time, is there a male at the house? Is it female? Is it small children or is it children? What I have found, and it's a habituation site, it's the common phrase, one that I worked was, it was a couple, but the husband worked offshore and was not there, but two weeks out of the month.

During the two weeks that he was gone, the activity would increase. But when he was there, it would decrease substantially. So I guess you've got to kind of ask yourself that question. What's going on in the house or who's at the house to draw their interest? An alpha male is not going to challenge the alpha male unless he thinks he can win. So you think it's more of kind of kind of cynicism? behavior going on with when they tend to come up to people's homes? I wouldn't say that for sure, but I would say that I think some of it is sinister and I think,

but you know, then you get the, I know there's people that talk about the Erickson Project and things like that. But you know what? If you look at that, it was the woman that had most of the activity. I mean, she'd go out and you've seen probably the pancake footage. She was out feeding them. That's another reason for herbituation is if you feed them. because I know that there are stories on some of the, you know, First Nation people of today, even though, on the reservations that they're feeding them, and when they quit feeding them, bad things can happen.

So you have to look at that. Being in the BFRO, did you ever get a chance to look at that, the famous pancake footage that everyone talks about? I did. You know, it's been several years since I've seen it, so I have to think back a little bit. But the best I can tell is it was a stump. on what it was exactly or if it was a table they'd put out there, but it was actually in the woods, it was a little trail that went into the woods behind this property,

and she would take pancakes or she would take nancy for them out there. And then apparently they would give them equipment, but people there have some equipment to video, so they had like a beer stand on the flyers, that kind of stuff that's going to put up there, and that's how they got that footage. But I don't, you know, from what I can tell it, it's like anything else.

It wasn't exactly the best footage. out there. What's the one Sean was talking about? He was telling me about one, and I don't know if you saw it or not, it's one we're out there in Texas. It may not have been the pancake footage,

but he was telling me about some of the Erickson footage that he was privy to from being in the BFRO, and he said one of the footage is that he, one of the videos he looked at, he said that it was pretty close

from about the chest up of this creature. It's reaching down, it's eating, and I asked him, so what did it look like? And he said it was probably the ugliest thing he's ever seen. It said it had canines.

He had a black tongue. He said it had a black mouth. He thought it was female. And he said it's not what you would picture a big book looking like. He said it was just the ugliest thing he's ever seen in his life. I did not see that footage.

I've seen the one where they come out. There was a couple that were circulated through when you were in there that they kind of showed if you were on expedition and stuff, but it was, you know, the one I saw that came out of the woods. Two of them did, and were walking along the fence line, and then went back in the woods, and that was, but he's right. I mean, actually the guy, the particular fellow that did a lot of the research for that project

and everything said that, he said, they're just pathetic looking. It's like they've had a hard life. But that, that group up there in Kentucky, but, you know, that they're very pathetic looking. They're not what you think. these don't particularly look like Patty. Prior to them out, you know, before, I would, I thought that they all looked, they were all black, they all looked like Patty's in the same body style, and then I've learned differently here.

So now, you know, even some of your podcasts, your witnesses and things like that, the Patty style tend to be more in the Pacific Northwest than some of the northern areas, but not to say that we don't have them here because, yes, they have been seen in Texas, Louisiana, and whatnot. but you also see another, I hate to say another kind, because I really think they're kind of the same, but they're just a little bit different. And I think that's probably an example of finding a little bit different ones

in that Kentucky footage. That's, I guess, my opinion on that part. What are some of the descriptions that you hear that are different from, say, the Patterson Gimlin film? You know the Patterson Gimlin film, you know, the conical head is always a common thing that you see when you win they discuss it with the black one the big big big huge muscular body almost like you know if you think about patty she looks like a big football player you know with breasts that's the kind of the body style

the big lumb rings but they don't really lumber when they walk the glide but you know they have that big body like that The one this down here, you will see that from time to time, but those sightings here are much rarer than this other time. We'll give you an example of the first sighting that I had in Texas. We were exactly, we were camped. There were like seven or eight of us, and we were camped exactly where you were camped here. Sean saws, Larry Saul, Sean's dad, myself, Glenn, Bob Triscowski, several of the guys were there. And it was raining.

And we were actually calling it, we were going to call it cliff. And you had four trucks. There was one truck already parked. We had four trucks come in in in the circular area, then one backed in, one pool around, and then I parked over by the tree lawn. And we got out, and everybody got out pretty much, you know, park, jump out, get out, starting all around.

You got eight guys over there. Well, Larry had his headlight on, and he had his door open to his car over the dome light, and he's in there messing with something in his truck or whatever. So the dome light eliminated behind him along with his headlight that he had on.

Sean was at the other truck and I was probably about 15 feet, maybe 10 feet away from wearing looking in his direction. We're sitting there, we're having a conversation actually about if we're going to leave or not because of the weather. And then about that time,

here's the commonality and what Digit rose up from the ground was this watch. And I knew exactly when I thought what it was, but it stood up. It had its right arm bent 90 degrees at the elbow, and it had its wrist bent 90 degrees to the fingers down. And it had these big mac of its shoulders, and it had a little round head. And then these shoulders kind of feet down into a skinnier waist, and I could see it in my mind's eye right now with that arm bent, this long, shaggy air hanging off the arms. it's eight feet behind Larry and he never knew it was there.

And by the time I said, get the clear, there's a squash. And I said it just like that. Get the clear. There's a squash right now. It had run, what, 30, 40 yards, 30 yards into the tree line.

And Sean got the clear and he's looking. And I didn't move. I stepped there. Me and Glenn, we were looking at it. He had it back to it. And I was looking. And I said, hey, Sean, do you have a head on the clear?

And he didn't say anything. And I said, Sean, do you have a, and I fully expected him to say, I don't see anything. I said, Sean, do you have a hit on the clear? And he said, yeah, I've got it. Do you know that everybody saw that thing through the clear that night? Everybody. It went over to there, and it laid down on the ground, and kept pushing up, and raising its head, looking up.

You could see it. When those people saw it was almost about the waist off, as it would push itself up and look, and the movement of it was so, weird, just the speed of it. But that was most definitely not a patty-style Bigfoot, Patty-style squats. It was most definitely this other kind that we encounter down here.

But that's not to say that the Patty style and this style will hang out together because you know, we've got a video of a Patty-style black one and one of these other ones in the same footage. One's standing up and goes from the middle of the screen to the left when you're looking at the video

the other one comes up from the right side and runs straight at the guy that's walking in front and then it peers off and goes to the right and out of frame it's an amazing piece of footage actually. I don't think a lot of people understand why guys like you don't release footage

and you know it's anytime you release anything it gets so torn apart it's kind of like the BigFit community loves to eat their own you know what I mean, so to speak, they love to eat their own, they cannibalize on their own, and it's kind of a shame, too, because a lot of this footage,

I think if there was a lot less attacks on people in the community and outside of the community, I think more footage would come forward. I think a lot more people would be willing to share. It's so hard now, even to get people to say, hey, I saw this,

or hey, I came across this. people who have real footage don't want to bring it forward and I can kind of see why. Yeah, we have footage, we have Fleer we put some out there and people it is, you know, the funny thing is, well, like I said, you've been down here so you know.

And this was filmed in the summertime, believe it or not. All right, we had a piece of footage. We were actually up around the campfire and said it had set it clear back. Now, it's not the best footage, which is why we put it out. You know what I mean? but it's a

squatch and it comes running up the hill and it's throwing crap at us we put that out there just a little bit of that footage out there we've had everything from people saying that I'm running up and down the hill naked okay really not there

and not in July and there ain't no freaking wave you know what I mean it's ridiculous it is ridiculous and you're right you're absolutely right we cannibalize our own in this community I don't I mean, the people that typically are the hoaxers, I mean, you figure them out pretty quick.

You know, the Rit Dyer's out there and everything like that. And, hey, you know, I can't fault Rigg Dyer for them hoaxer. He's a hoaxer, you know. He fully admits it. He is what he is. So he puts anything out, well, you already know. But, you know, this person or that person putting out a piece of video, everybody wants to take it. They want to break it down.

They want to do this. when that may not even the focus of the whole video to begin with. It bothers me that some of the videos that I've been with Bob Garrett on and we filmed and somebody takes it and breaks it down.

And, like, I'll tell you right now that three mile in video, also, I'll talk about that because I just actually the freaking crap out of me. The three mile in video that we did. Yeah, explain the video for the audience, you know, because as if they had never seen it. Explain what's in the video

and then kind of go into your frustration. Okay. Anytime we go out, we take a video camera and we like the document, we like the video documents, just what we're doing. It doesn't matter if we've been getting anything. We just want to document. And we kind of want to teach people and show people, this was our

original idea, we wanted to teach people and show people what we did and how we did it. Now, obviously the camera's not on the entire time because you have about 45 minutes to two hours of just us walking in. because, you know, we don't, we just walk in, you know, two, three miles sometimes, four miles sometimes. I mean, we don't go where people go. We go other places.

We went to this one place, and Bob videoed as we went in periodically, you know, this piece, whatever. We're just showing the area and showing what to look for. And every once in a while you might get lucky, you might get something. You know what I mean? That's not what we're doing this for. We like to show people that we're something up with. on how we're doing it and how we're doing our research. On the three mile in video, we went in there,

we're walking around by the film and just filming everything. And, you know, he'll see some interesting things, and he'll zoom in and stuff like that. Well, I remember when he put it out, the original first one, when he put it out, people started saying, oh, I see something at this time frame or that time frame. Well, I'm going to tell you, honestly, I didn't see you often when I was out there,

and I didn't see anything in the video. Then next thing I know, oh, there was this cloak and big foot in the film. I'm like, really? Okay, I don't, whatever. So anyway, he takes it and he does a breakdown. Now he did a pretty interesting breakdown of it, and I looked at it and whatever, and, you know, great, whatever. But what he's actually showing you,

and he doesn't, I don't think you even pass a judgment on him as a closing one. He just poses the question out there. Is this an entity or a closing big foot? You know, stealth big foot or entity, I think it's the name of the footage or whatever. Well, you know, none of them I saw anything. We just, Bob zoned in because he saw some movement. That was it.

That was about the extent of that. If you look at the rest of the whole video, all we do is go up there and we look at the trail that we're on and we look at this, and we set the clears. And that's pretty much the video and we leave. We set the clear to set them up and delete. And that's the whole purpose of doing our video. But he found this.

Now, granted, I'm not going to argue that there wasn't something there. There may very well could be. What it was, I have no idea. But I'll tell you, it wasn't no damn close. at big foot. What I can tell you is the sun was at that setting stage but it was still sunny

and the sun was facing towards the camera and the auto focus on that camera when you zoom in the auto focus it takes this little it has to find something to make its focus on you know what I mean?

Right right so if you have something moving there yeah so if you have something moving there you're going to get distortion or that shimmer and I think that's why everybody's saying you know you got the freaking poking big foot well I don't think that's the case I think you got a a case of the auto focus with the camera with the sunlight on that particular model of camera now I've looked at it looked at it looked at it do I think something was there I

think something was probably there what it is I cannot tell you but I can tell you everybody said well yeah it runs from left to right no it doesn't because if it ran from left or right there is no way in hell I wouldn't seen it, Bob wouldn't have seen it, and Travis wouldn't see it because of the areas we were in it. You don't get that from the video. All it pretty much did was probably take a step or two

and then it ran straight back. When you look at the video, there's some more confonds moving further back as it goes further or deeper under the woods. So it's running away from us. Whatever it is, it could have been a deer. I don't know. I didn't see it. But it wasn't above it on closing big place.

And that's for the record. Yeah, it's one of saying, you know, the kind of thing that I think aggravates me. You know, you're going to take somebody else's work and then you're going to put your own conjecture and everything into it and make your own anecdotal evidence and try to make it this and try to make it that. And a lot of times, some of the people with what we put out there and what we've done, you know, they use the liar, liar, pants on fire for an offensive.

I'm like, really? And, you know, we don't have to get too much into the Bigfoot community, but I think the biggest problem that I've seen, and I've always seen this, and that's why. when the whole thing happened, you know, with me and people questioning my encounter, a lot of people might be shocked to know. It bothered me, but it didn't bother me that much in the sense that the Bigfoot community is crazy, man. All these other shows, all these other, quote-unquote researchers, and I'll say everyone,

but most of your researchers out there, they're so desperate to be the guy. They're so desperate to, and it's kind of sad, really. It's kind of sad that that is the focus of their life, that they try so desperately. It's like everyone thinks we're curing cancer here, and we're not. We're trying to solve a mystery, but we're not curing cancer here. And there's just this ego and all that, you know, so they take something that you guys have done, spin it, and say there's a cloaking bigfoot. Why do that? What is the motive behind that?

You know, what is the – because like you said, I mean, it could be lights. It could be all different sorts of things that cause that to give it kind of a weird appearance. You know what I mean? That's absolutely what happens. I think what's the term, peridolia? Yeah, parodalia. Yeah, I mean, I think that happens a lot. I mean, and I think that's a trap that some people get into.

And, you know, you originally asked me why I don't post anything. I don't post anything for a bunch of reasons. Number one, if you're interested and you want to see stuff, we get up there and don't. I do it for my own stuff and I'll share with I'm a very shame person with what I've gotten But doggone it you got to know me as you probably know and I'm more than happy this since you're recording I've gotten or anything like that But I'm not going to post it somewhere Of my somewhere just to put my research out there to say hey look at me look what I got. I don't care You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm not going to put out my videos I'm not going to put out any clear that I'm

I've gotten. I'm not going to do it. Because, number one, I don't need the aggravation of everybody thinking they know what they don't. I'm not going to play into those games with people like that. You know, honestly, I just want to be my thing, and I get what I get, and you don't see it. I'm sorry.

You know, go with me. Isn't it kind of a weird community, though? Isn't it kind of, you know, everyone wants to solve this? And I don't think it necessarily, I've heard people say, everyone's trying to be the guy to solve it. I don't think that's it. I think everyone, a lot of these different researchers, they want to be the go-to guy.

They want to be the quote-unquote expert. They want to be, and I hate to break it to everyone. No one's an expert. No one knows, no one has the answers on. We all theorize through our experiences. We all go through and give our opinions based on what we've experienced. but it's just frustrating, man, because it's just such a weird, weird community.

And it's not even a community I ever really wanted to be involved with in the first place. I think I've said that from day one in the show, but for some reason you become part of this weird community. The Bigfoot community is like the uncle you never invite to Thanksgiving because he gets drunk and he makes an ass out of himself. That's the Bigfoot community. Yeah.

So, I mean, I don't blame you guys for, for not sharing. You know, I realize there's clicks and everything. And you guys really are the real deal. I mean, when I went out there, I was shocked.

I remember thinking after day two when I was out there with you guys, I remember thinking, God, I wish I had a television crew with me because there'd be so much stuff to capture, you know. Oh, yeah. Very interesting when you come out here

and you do this. And, you know, it's not just where we're at. It almost seems like it's all of East Texas, it's Louisiana. I think you actually ask me, well, you guys might have it a little better than most because of where you're at. Well, we might, but, you know, I think that's because of the city of Houston, the city of Dallas, the city of San Antonio. You have these major, major, major, metropolitan areas. You know, the city of the largest city in the United States are just about.

So you think of the landmass that it takes up. Well, you know, if you've got a population here, you've got a larger population. They don't have, you don't have a square of mileage here. that you wouldn't like, say, Northern California, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, you know. And then you've got, you know, in the Houston, Conroe, Sugarland, Metroplex area, basically, you've got like eight grand, or eight million people, eight million people, all right here. So they don't have a place to go. And it keeps shrinking and shrinking and shrinking.

So you've got a large population in a small area. and I think that's part of the reason that we have all that stuff, you know. Well, and I tend to agree with you. I think, you know, in that area that we were at, we were getting all those vocals, you know, I left for the Houston, or was it the George Bush Intercontinental Airport, and we're only talking like a 25-minute drive and I was there. And so you're by this major airport, and we really weren't that far out. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, we really weren't.

that far out. It's not like we had to hike 20 miles in to a remote location. And that's a lot of things, a lot of other people out there. I don't think understand who maybe might live in a city and are listening to this, that you really have to get way out in the woods. And that's not really the case, especially out there. I think they're kind of squeezed into these areas. And that's why you probably have the aggression, but that's why you hear the vocals when you're out there. What was it, Jim Lansdale I had on last week? And one of the quotes that made me laugh, he said, if you can go out to Texas and you don't hear or see a Sasquatch,

there's something wrong with you. And he's right, because if you go out there, you're going to hear something. You're going to probably see something. If you don't see anything, you're definitely going to hear them. There's really nothing else that it could be. A lot of times when you hear these vocals. Jim, Wandsdale and Bob Garrett,

I think you said it, they're cut from the same quality. and the thing that I've learned the most from both of them you've got to go where they are but you need to know what you're looking for. It doesn't matter. This is what kills me. I mean, you can get these things on game trail

cameras. People argue, oh, they can see the IR from this or that. Well, I don't know if they can or not. But I know for a fact you can get them on game trail cameras and a good one is the Jacobs creature. You've probably seen that. That is

without a doubt of Satswatch there are other pictures that they've never released and I think they probably won't ever release them because it's, you know, for very good reason. But if you just go pick a spot in the woods and take the camera up

and thinking that you're going to get a Sasswatch, I think you're going to fail. I think you need to go out. I think you need to look for sign and I think you need to put a camera out and I think you need to leave it out for three weeks a month are better.

But you have to put it in areas at their end. And I think that's where people fail with the game cameras. That's where when we go out, we look for certain things. We look for tracks.

We look for this. We look for that. We don't see it. We don't put the fleas up. If we see that, we put the fleas up. That doesn't mean they're going to come back through in front of the flare

because you're talking about a two-by-two screen, and you're only taking about just a fraction of the area you're trying to surveil. I mean, maybe that day, one day they come this way, but the other day they come behind the flare, you know, or they come a different way. They don't always use the same trail points. They don't ever come to an area the same way twice.

Very, very frustrating when you're doing that. But I think the game trail cameras, believe it or not, are not a bad thing. You put them up hot, you hang on down, you make sure you're in an area, and you leave it and let it go. And I think a lot of people fail when it comes to doing that because they just took them out, let them go for two or three days, and then come back and get them.

Oh, there's nothing on there, but it appears. Yeah, and for people listening, the Jacob's creature, it was a, for people who aren't aware of it, it was a creature caught on Game Cam, and it was on all fours, wasn't it, Tim? It was eating apples or something? No, no, no. The Jacobs creature is out of Pennsylvania.

The first one that you see is a picture of the creature, and it's on the side of a mountain, basically. It's got the, I call it getting your golf ball stand. It's bent over with one arm down and one arm back and one leg back. So it's picking its golf ball up. That's the best way I can say to describe it. The second picture is it's bent over at 90 degrees pretty much at the waist with its nose to the ground, sniffing the ground.

The interesting thing about it is the guy had a salt lift over there. I don't know what the squatch was doing. Wasn't that the one it was kind of skinny? me and it was like patchy had patchy hair. And people were saying it was a bear. Yeah, it was a mangy bear. That's most definitely not a bear. Yeah, I didn't think it was a bear when I saw it.

It's something to wear. I wish I'd release all of the footage on it or all of the images that were taken because what you see definitely doesn't look like a bear to me, but, you know, I wasn't there. I guess what you see whenever you saw the regular picture would probably blow a lot of people away, but I'm not going to get into that.

I don't think I can. But then again, people, this is another example. Somebody got a game can't picture of something, and then everybody just just going to fucking butcher it. This guy wasn't a big bit of researcher. He just got these pictures out there. And yeah, there are bear cubs in there,

but this is most definitely not a bear cub. Yeah, one last question I want to ask you, because I'm going to get it from the audience if I don't ask it. what signs do you look for? Let's say you're not a tracker like most of your group is, and you're out looking for these creatures. What are some things that you guys look for?

What are some things you would recommend for people to look for? I think at this point everybody, I guess, but we're actually looking for tracks. We're looking for impressions. We're looking for this. We're looking for well-used trails. Well-used trails, the trails are beaten down. They're worn, I guess, is the best way to describe them.

They're not always as wide as you think. think they are and you have to think about how they walk. Look for the trails, look for that. There's certain, I'm not a stick structure guide, but there are some things that you can look for as far as stick structure, you know, obvious tree breaks and things like that. These big bows, these arches that people see

and everything like that. 99.9 of those I just missed because those occur naturally in nature joining the forest in the world and find those, and that's because it's a universe. saffling it doesn't get the light and it bows over. But if you have one that's mowed over like that with another one pinning it down

or something like that, then that might be of interest. But, you know, a lot of the things, a lot of, I've seen a lot of things that people say are purported Sasquatch sign and then like, really, that's just the curve of nature, you know. Yeah, a lot of it's been pretty obvious. You know,

a whole tree pulled up by its roots with the end of it sticking out on the root ball on the top. That's interesting. those sorts of things. But really predominantly what we look for the tracks and trail and things like that, seeing if they're being used. But I have the advantage of having

somebody has researched this area for 30 years. Yeah, and like I was saying, most of you guys are trackers, most of you guys are actual trackers. When you go and look for them, there's so many things to where, I know you don't consider yourself a tracker, but I definitely would consider you a tracker

because I know the second, I think it was the second night we were out there, second or third night. I mean, you went into full-blown tracker mode looking, and I think that's when you guys found the footprint. But I think it's interesting. A lot of people, that's probably one of the main questions I get, you know, what to look for, what to look for, what to look for.

And there's always more to it than just, hey, I'll send you pictures of SCAT and broken tree branches. There's a lot more to it than that. I know down there a lot of times where you're at, if you follow the hogs, you'll find the saskwatches. Yeah, that's pretty accurate. You know, I think when you had Mow on, you were talking about, I think he was mentioning about the two that we saw in the daytime that we actually got on film. We were actually tracking hods and we went across the Sasquatch prints on up and we tracked them on down, came out to these two washouts. or dugouts underneath the bank.

And it's kind of a hard to describe, but you've got to put the bank cut off. With the bottom or on the other side, it's going to be about five feet. You go down there, and I'm back. I'm actually filming. We're looking at these dugouts in there that were really interesting. You know, Moe is down here,

and Bobbers are looking up this 18-inch track, and I'm up there, and I'm looking straight ahead, and I'm looking at two of them, but I didn't even know I was looking at them until the one started moving its head. look at us and it would look at the other one, look at us and look at the other one. You know, they told me, hey, come down here, look at this track.

I'm like, uh-uh. You guys come up here and look at the two squashes that are sitting here looking at me. And they did, so we all freeze out there and watched them. I tried my best to get it on video. I couldn't get it as well as I wanted to because I couldn't look at the viewfinder and keep my eyes trained on them without losing them.

You know what I mean? So the video I got is what I got. It's not the best. you know, is what it is. It's not like they're going to be five feet away from you at every time, you know. So you kind of have to pick your evidence and, you know, something like that I'm not going to put out. I'm not going to put out anything that's questionable. I'm not going to put out anything that's like paradox.

I'm not going to put out anything with a red circle around it and say, oh, look at this, you know, I'm just not going to do it. There's no point in doing that. Yeah. You open yourself up to a lot of problems when you do that. Yeah. The best thing to do is if people want to learn or people want to teach is they have to get a mentor that knows what they're doing. They have to spend the time and they have to go in the woods and they have to do it.

Sometimes you have to go in pretty deep. Sometimes you don't. It just depends on where you're at, depends on what you're doing. Educate yourself and looking and learning the sign and look for. That's the best thing I can tell you. Like my friend in Mississippi, when he lives in Ackerman, he actually lives in a perfect spot. He lives across the street from National Forest. He just goes out there all the time.

He goes by himself. I don't know how good of a tractor he is, but, I mean, he goes out there, and he finds a lot of interesting stuff. He's got a lot of good, interesting things that he comes back with. He gets a lot of evidence. So, I mean, you know, it's just about finding the area and researching what your, you've got to do your homework first, I guess, while looking at it. Yeah, and I think we both agree that going out by yourself is a bad idea.

I mean, I think you and I, and you can correct me. or wrong, but I think you and I are the theory that these things do kill people. Are they out every moment that they're awake looking to kill someone? No. But do they kill people? And have they killed people in the past? I would definitely

say yes. Oh yeah, I would say they're not the too cuddly fuzzy little forest creatures that people seem to think. You know, I mean, every time you see a bear, does a bear kill you? No. Will a bear kill you? Yeah. I guess that's the best analogy I've got. I don't know if you have grizzly bears where you're at.

You have grizzly bears or no? No, we have black bear. The big black bear? Okay, well, good. All right, every time you see a black bear, pretty much they just run away, right? Yeah, I mean, I would say 95% of the time they'll run from you. Out here, it's mainly the Cougar that'll get you. Yeah, but the black bear will kill them each you, though, if they...

Yeah, I mean, if you catch them on the wrong day or you cornwall... or them or there's a mother with its cubs, absolutely they'll kill you and probably not even think twice about it. So how is a friendly forest creature any different? Right. Right.

I guess that's my point. I think we've got to use common sense when we're dealing with this. Are they a wild animal? Yes. Are they a little bit more than that? I'd have to say yes, too. Do you really want to take a gamble with your life that you run into this thing and think that it's going to be sitting down in something by yow with you

and have a cup of tea. I don't think that's going to happen. I think, you know, the best case scenario is it's going to go its direction and you're going to go yours. Yeah, that's the best case scenario. Sometimes, like, what happened with you guys when you guys were out with the BFR

or when Bob and I were out, sometimes they don't run the other way. You know, sometimes they will kind of find a way to try and corner you. But you're right, Best case scenario is you guys are both going to turn and go upside directions. And people just need to be aware when they go out. Whether you believe in Sasquatch or you don't, I would say don't go out alone and carry a firearm for God's sakes.

And just be aware of your surroundings because you never know what's going to be out there, especially out in Texas. Everything can kill you in Texas. Tim, thanks for being on the show. I really do appreciate it. I appreciate coming on and sharing all of the encounter stories. and stuff you've experienced. Oh, well, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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