Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:981 A Large Wolf Like Creature

Episode Date: August 19, 2023

Scott writes "In the fall of 2022 my daughter and I were driving back from one of her high school choir performance. My wife decided to stay home this time with our son because he can be a little rowdy for these type of events as a toddler can be. On the way home it was between 9 and 9:30 or so. It was pretty dark and we were driving home on state route 50 just a mile or so out of town. My daughter, like most teenagers was on her phone so the car was pretty quiet and we were going about 50 or 55 miles per hour when suddenly this very large dark brown dog looking thing shot across the road from a dry creek bed into the field across the highway. I've been in the woods my entire life and I have seen Coyotes and all sorts of other animals. I grew up hunting and fishing. There isn't an animal in our area that I haven't seen in the wild. Bear, deer, fox, you name it. This was something very different. First it moved faster than any animal I had ever seen move in my life. It was like the flash in the comics. It was so fast that by the time I told my daughter look at that… she only got a quick peek and said. Big dog? I said I didn't know, but I knew it was much much larger than any dog I had seen before and it move unlike anything I've ever seen. It must have covered 100 yards in just under a three or four seconds. It was like a blur almost. I remember seeing clearly though a large snout and ears that stood straight up like a Doberman. It had a vary large mane like around its head though, but the ears were sticking out of the hair. It almost reminded me of a Chow dog, but with a wolfs ears and muzzle. It was dark brown or almost black and it ran on all fours. I actually got up the nerve to stop at the spot in the road one day on my way home from work. It was daylight and I could see the creek bed, the fence, and the slope of the hill up to the road on the side where it took off from. I realized, it had to be almost 4' tall on all fours as I compared my memory to the size of the fence and the road sign on the other side of the road. I cant get out of my mind it was so so fast. It gets weirder. I feel like I saw something very unnatural that night."

On a late November night in 2012, while driving in the foothills of Washington, two brothers were surrounded by mysterious creatures. Still haunted and forever changed, these men took to the internet, creating a forum for others. If you've had an encounter and no one else can help, maybe you can contact Sasquatch Chronicles. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blinding. It either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big.

The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What's going on now, sir? That sort of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a announcer?

Yes, I'm looking right in any. This is Jack from South Mississippi, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. up and hang on. Wow, that A-Team intro is pretty awesome. I want to thank the listener who sent that to me. He didn't put his name in the email, but that's pretty cool, man. I'm going to figure out a way to use that more. Thank you again for sending that to me.

Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Scott. And Scott comes to us from Ohio, and a very recent encounter Scott had. he was with his daughter and he saw this huge werewolf-looking thing run across the road. For the longest time, he was like, I don't know, it might have been some weird dog and kind of went home and it just stuck with him because it was so large and the way it moved

across the road and kind of the different features. I asked Scott to come on and talk about this. And, you know, when Scott and I were chatting, he was telling me about the way he grew up in Kentucky, mainly with his grandparents. He know his grandparents were kind of his rock, his foundation, and his grandmother would always warn him about, don't go out after dark, the burger will get you. And his grandfather called it a demon. You know, when I was talking to Scott off the air, Scott said, you know, my grandfather would tell me these encounters,

and I would be like, okay, grandpa, and then this encounter happened, very recent to him in Ohio. So I asked him if he'd come on and not only share his encounter, but kind of a family history. of the way he grew up. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight.

I want to welcome Scott to the show. Scott, thanks for coming on, ma'am. Oh, thank you for having me. Like I told you earlier, I'm a huge fan. I really, really enjoy your show a lot. I love that you focus on the people that are having the experiences, and I love that, you know, you don't lead them or you don't, you know, just kind of let them do their thing without judgment and tell their story.

And I think that that's just really one of the great qualities, along with a lot of other stuff about your show, that I really enjoy. Wow, thank you for the kind of words, Scott. It means a lot to me. And thank you again for being here. before we get into your encounter, tell me a little bit about growing up, you know, living with your grandparents and some of the things that you experienced with them and some of the things that they shared with you. Well, from a very early age, there had always been some strange things that had happened. My grandmother and grandfather lived right next door.

My father had turned this old garage into a house for us to live. then that was right next door. And I can always remember strange things happening there. There was a lot of, I guess you'd call paranormal activity type things. Things were always missing. You know, things were always getting moved. Being a young kid, I usually got blamed for a lot of it. But it actually, I really felt like there was some sort of a demonic presence that kind of worked on my parents up until the point to where they had a very traumatic. violent divorce to the point to where my dad was going to shoot my mom and my mom was going to commit suicide. And it was very emotional. I don't really talk about it a lot. But my grandfather living next door, he was up in years. This would have been probably mid-80s. So he was right next door. But he would always tell me stories.

One of the stories that I used to like a lot. And to know my grandfather, you'd have to understand. The man is he was always very religious. But one of the stories that he would tell was when he was younger, and you have to keep in mind, my grandfather was born in 1901, so he would have been about 80, in his early 80s when he told me these stories. And he was actually cutting railroad ties for a logging company down around Clay County, West Virginia, I believe. He spoke about, you know, they were out logging. It was early morning.

Getting started, getting out there and getting everything ready, and the bushes were just shaking violently. He said, you know, all of a sudden this big, hairy thing came out of the bushes and started screaming at them. And it was huge. You know, he was six foot three. He said it was towered over him and it just screamed at him. He never called it Bigfoot. He always called it a demon, which I always thought was strange. He always referred to it as the demon, the big hairy demon.

And he told me, he said they ran off. The crew, they all took off and went back to get the manager or the logging crew captain, whatever it would have been, to come back and they came back, you know, and there was nothing there. But they did find some really big footprints that he described as twice as long as his. And I guess it bothered him to the point where he actually uprooted his entire family and moved from West Virginia to Ohio. So he just rooted up everybody and moved it bothered him that bad.

But he had another one that I thought was even more interesting that happened to him later in life. And this regarded his brother who came to visit from West Virginia here to Ohio. And the story goes that they went out one day. They were going to go squirrel hunting, this little hunting area that we have, not too far from actually from where I live now. and they went out and it was really super quiet. He said you could hear a nut drop in the woods. It was just an odd day, super quiet.

And they decided since I didn't hear anything, they were going to split up. So the story goes, my great uncle went up this hill. And there was this big log, fallen tree laying down. It was pretty high. And he, so he always carried a sidearm. So he always had a pistol of some kind. and then he had either a 14 or a 22, I can't remember which. That was a squirrel hunting gun that they used.

And the way they always described to my great uncle was he was kind of like Clint Eastwood. He was an advent hunter, wasn't scared of anything. He's been all over hunting large game, and he was just an outdoorsman, like just one of the good old rough guys back in the day. And I guess when he climbed over this log and he kind of, I guess he either got up on the log and slipped or he jumped down and slipped. And as soon as he slipped and kind of caught himself and kind of got back up to his feet, this, what he described as a huge, hairy thing was standing like a foot away from him.

He said he could smell its breath and it was hot and stinky and nasty, just like a, like a dog's breath or like a horse. If you've ever been up real close to a horse, how there's just so much hot breath coming off of it. And according to him, he pulled out his gun and he started shooting at it, point blank range. And then he just took off. I guess he unloaded. And my grandfather, being on the other side of the woods, started hearing all this gunfire. And he thought, oh my gosh, what is happening?

What is going on? He started running towards my great uncle. And I guess my great uncle was running towards him screaming, go, go, go, go, go. We got to get out of here. it's going to get me. And, you know, he gets back to the truck and they get in the truck. And my grandfather can't calm him down because he's just so scared and terrified. I guess they get back to the house.

And he finally after some hot tea and gets him calm down. And he tells my grandfather that I stepped over the log and there's this huge, big, giant, hairy thing that stood up and kind of showed its teeth to me. And so I just unloaded on it. And of course, my grandfather was like, oh, I want to go back. Let's go back and see. Let's go see what you shot. If it's wounded, we got to get, you know, if there's blood, if there's something, we got to go back. And to this day, I guess my great uncle never went back in the woods and never went hunting again.

And they never went back out to the spot. I never heard any resolution to it. But I do know that my uncle would tell this story to his kids and his. nieces and nephews. And so my family's kind of estranged. So I went back and I checked in with my real dad who I've been estranged from for about 13 or 14 years. And then my aunt who I'd been estranged from for 20 years. And they hadn't spoken either. They haven't talked in over 20-something years. And both of their stories from hearing him tell this personally are the same. They line up detail for detail, right down to, you know, he smelled its breath.

It was huge. It was a monster. Now, he did, my uncle did call it a big foot. He called it a big foot. But my grandfather never would. He always called it a demon. So I always thought that was kind of a strange thing. But again, my grandfather was probably more religious and honestly thought it was some sort of a demon when he saw in his younger years.

Yeah, I think it's strange. Your grandfather called them demons and makes me wonder why. I think it's more than just he was religious. I'm always fascinated when people call them demons. I always want to ask like a million questions. And Scott, as I was reading your email, one of the things that stood out to me, and it's a term mainly in the South, you'll hear a lot, especially from kind of an older generation. Your grandmother called them boogers, didn't she? Yes. So after my mom and dad got divorced, I spent a lot of time with her mom and dad, which is my grandparents, that lived in eastern Kentucky. And they lived in the middle of nowhere. When we went down there for summer, I would stay pretty much the whole summer with just the two of them. Sometimes my other cousins would come around, but usually it was just me and the two of them. My grandmother and grandfather, neither one of them drove. They didn't even get a phone until I was probably 17 or 18. So I stayed with them, you know, around that seven to eight year mark, you know, I was about that old. So this was probably mid-80s. And my grandmother would never let me go out

and play at night. Usually around that eight, nine o'clock in the summertime, started getting dark, she'd make me come in. And if I didn't listen, she'd always tell me that the booger was going to get me. And this was a big thing because she told all the kids this, you better listen, you better be good, don't go out at night, the booger will get it. you. And so I didn't really think about that. I didn't even know that Sasquatches were called boogers until I started listening to your show and come to find out a lot of people in the South call Bigfoot a bugger, which I thought was incredibly unique because it was very

specific that that was the word that they used. Now, I had an uncle who lived just down the road as well. Now, this is the middle of nowhere. There's 16 miles from the nearest town on a dirt road, you know, back in the hills. And my uncle that lived just down the road, he came over one evening and he was telling us kids about this thing they called the calcare, which I thought was another unique word. I had no idea what it was. And he described it as this big, white, hairy thing that would come out of the woods at night. And it even scared off a logging crew not too long ago from his accord just down from where he lived. and they described it as this big white, hairy thing that screamed at them and smelled really bad.

And so that's the first time I heard the word the calcare. My grandmother never referred to it as that. Now, you have to understand a lot of my family down there are deeply religious people. They don't like talking about things like this. So for me, when I was a kid and I'm asking about it, not many people would talk about it. Well, I remember my grandpa and I would always go fishing. That was like what he loved to do. He'd always run trot lines.

And I don't even know if that's legal anymore or not, but he would run these these trot lines. So one morning we get up early, he kind of bumps me and he's got his coffee in his hand. He says, hey, I'm going to go down and check the line. You want to come with me? And he used to call me boy. They used to always call me boy. You want to come with me, boy?

So I'm like, yeah, I'm a little kid. Heck, I want to go to the river. I want to go fishing. Yeah, I want to see what you caught. So it's real early. It's just before light. And we're walking down the dirt road. And it's probably a good two or three mile walk just to get down to where you can get to that part of the river.

The way the river is kind of an S shape around the mountains. Of course, I call mountains, but they're just really big hills. And we get down there and it's starting to get light. And we can get to this spot. And I remember it's kind of strange because he normally didn't set a trout line down there. I usually have another spot. It's kind of a new area. So we walk down this hill, and it's just a little dirt path.

And the hill comes down to like a river bottom. I don't know if it's kind of like the lower area, the road is kind of up high, and we're kind of down this little valley. And we're walking along, and I remember there were these big tall weeds and this little dirt path. I mean, probably only, you know, maybe a foot and a half, two foot across. And my grandfather's in front of me. He always walked with a cane, and he always had his little pistol in his back pocket. And he always kind of walked with kind of a little bit of a hunch. And so he was a little slower, but I always followed him because he always wanted to go first.

and I remember it was really, really quiet that morning. Like I didn't hear frogs or birds or bugs or anything. I could literally hear the wind what little there was blowing through these big weeds. And I remember we got to a point where I smelled like what I thought was dead fish because we're getting close to the river. I thought maybe it was just dead fish or something dead or just sometimes when the river is low, you'll have that really kind of nasty smell to it in the summer. My grandfather used to call it the dog days of summer. Don't swim in the river or bacteria, whatever it was.

So we get there in this little dirt path and all of a sudden, my grandfather was not a very affectionate person. You'd be lucky to get a handshake from the man most days. And so he never really hugged us or anything, you know, like that. So he actually reached back and put his hand directly in the middle of my chest. And I remember this so clearly because he never did this. And he put his hand in the middle of my chest

and he stopped me. And he turned around and leaned in and he said, shh, be quiet. Just shh. And I'm all, you know, what's going on? I'm all, you know, what's wrong? And I could tell he was very unnerved.

And so we started hearing what sounded like trees and limbs breaking and these big, heavy footsteps. And it sounded like something was up on the opposite hill from where we were. And he looks at me and he puts his finger up to his mouth. And I still remember this because I've never seen my grandfather unnerved.

He was one of those guys that he would fight a bear with his walking king to keep us kids safe. He was just one of those kind of, you know, guys. So he turns me around. He literally takes my shoulders and turns me around to face the other direction. And we start slowly walking out. And we get back to where the hill comes up. And this whole time we're kind of hearing stuff up on the hill, but I couldn't really kind of got farther and farther away as we were walking.

And so we get back up on the road and he just looks at me without saying anything else. He just looks at me and says, I'll come back and check that one later. Let's go back and see if Grandma's got breakfast. And that's he didn't explain anything. It was just very odd. Now, we didn't see anything, but the smell and from listening to your show and some other you know, stuff that I've heard, it was very odd that the woods was so quiet. And I could still remember hearing the weeds blowing. It was so quiet. And it was weird because I couldn't even

hear the river really. Normally you could kind of hear the river off in the distance, but I don't remember even hearing the river off in the distance, which I thought was kind of odd too. But I'd not really been down there a lot, so I didn't know. So that was one experience that I had with my grandfather. Now, him and my grandmother, like I said, they didn't talk about a lot. They just called it the booger. And then the more and more I heard stories, then that's when the calcare came up. So fast forward, maybe a year later, I'm visiting my grandparents again. Well, we go up to see my great grandfather. And I love going up because he lived on top of this big hill and he had this farm and he always had turkeys and all this stuff. And, and, And he always gave me a 50-cent piece and a little case knife. And I always thought that was the coolest thing to go and see him. And by this time, you know, he's up there in age. But I remember they lived in this little tiny house and had the old wood burning stove.

And, you know, it was just so rustic. And, you know, like what you would imagine, people would deep eastern Kentucky to live like up in the hills. And so he would always tell stories about, you know, walking around. and something following him, white in the woods. Because, you know, they would go up into the hills and they would dig out coal out of the side of the hills. They were always fishing and they were always living off the land. And he would say that, you know, if you were walking

and you looked out of the corner of your eye, you could see this thing lean around the tree and look at you. And he described it as being super fast, like he could run faster than any man. And so I had heard, you know, in kind of being a kid on the sideline, some of these stories between the men, especially when they go out behind the bar

and they'd chew tobacco and they'd tell these stories. And I was always, you know, the boy that was just tagging along. But I finally got up the nerve one day to say to him, I was sitting right next to him. And I remember because he had his spiltoon next to him because they always chew tobacco. I thought that was just the grossest thing at the time. And so he's sitting there and I said,

Grandpa, this is my great-grandpa. I said, what's the Calcare? and I swear in that house that was so bustling with everybody cooking in the kitchen, everybody around it. You could have heard a pin drop. It just got completely quiet. And it was like, you know, the record scratching

when somebody walks in the bar back, like the old movies. It was just like all of a sudden everything went quiet. And he leans in and he gets kind of close to me and he says, it follows you. It's white and you don't ever go out at night or else the booger will get you. And he kind of gave just this weird, kind of creepy little laugh. And he just leaned back in his chair.

And then everybody went back to their normal whatever. I'm just sitting there as a kid just kind of like terrified. Like, oh my God, there's a big white, hairy thing out in the woods. But what I always thought was weird is during the day, they didn't care what we did, which looking back on it, we ran all over those hills. I was, I mean, there were copperheads and rattlesnakes and big sheer cliffs and waterfall. I mean, it was beautiful, but it was very dangerous to let a, you know, eight, nine-year-old kid run around. But we would run around all the time. And when my cousins would come over, we'd go way back up into the hills.

You know, we'd go look at the old coal mines where they dug out the recess caves, you know, all that stuff. It was just normal. We were just were all over the hills. Now, I didn't really put two and two together, but I do remember hearing strange noises. And so that's listening to your show. I didn't really know about wood knocks or what a lot of people refer to as the Ohio Howe. And so I remember hearing strange noises as kids when we're around in the woods, but mostly at night. My grandmother and I, especially when it was just a two of us, she would sit on the porch and she'd read her Bible or she'd have a little radio go and listen to radio.

And we listened for whippoorwills. I always thought that was the greatest thing to hear these birds. You know, from Ohio, I'd never heard a whippoorwill. So we'd listen for the whippoorwills. And one night I remember just hearing this long siren-like, almost like a tornado siren like way off in the distance, just this long howl type thing. And so I looked at Grandma and I said, what was that? And she said, oh, it was probably a mountain lion.

And I'm like, okay, being a kid, I didn't know. What's a mountain lion sound like? I have no idea. But looking back, I heard the Ohio Howe on your show and it gave me chills because that's what we heard in the middle of the night, just the two of us sitting on this little porch, very little light in the middle of nowhere. We heard it way off in the distance echoing through the hills. So after that summer, I'd ask my mom, I said, Mom, what's the Calcker? Because she grew up back in those hills and I wanted to know, Mom, what is a Calcare? to this day I didn't really have a real good explanation other than it was just a big white hairy thing that lived in the woods

so my mom tells me she goes well you know when we were kids we were always just told not to go out at night because the booger would get us but they called it a calcker and she said we would lay in bed as kids and you know this my mom this would have had to been probably late 50s early 60s her and her cousin would stay the night with each other and they would lay in her cousin's bed and they lived right next to a creek, a creek that I often played in and still went around when I was a kid. And she said that they could hear something big moving up and down the creek, lifting up rocks and moving rocks. And every time this thing would come through, the dogs would all go high underneath the porch. And she said they would lay in bed and just be terrified, like pulling the blankets up over their head. They could hear it stomping around, hearing all these weird noises and just strange things would happen when this thing would come through. And it didn't always come through.

It was every once in a while that she said it was just once in a while. We knew it was in the area. The dogs would hide and we'd go inside and get in bed. And we knew we'd be hearing it that night in the creek. And sure enough, we would hear it. She said, I don't really know what it is. She goes, you know, your great-grandfather said if you didn't bother it, it wouldn't bother you. And we just didn't go out at night.

And so that's what I grew up hearing in eastern Kentucky was, you know, there's some thing down there. And now I've actually gone back and I've tried to type in like white bigfoot or white Sasquatch or Calcare, you know, to try and find other people's stories. And I did see some guy had posted an interview not too long ago, I believe, on YouTube about a white bigfoot in Kentucky, not far from that area. and I thought that was really strange. There was this interview of this man talking about seeing a white bigfoot, and that was 2019 or something like that, if you look it up. I thought that was really strange because it's white. You know, you don't hear a lot of white.

But then listening to your show, I hear about the white Bigfoot of Pennsylvania. And I thought, well, that's really not that far away from where we are if it wanted to travel along, you know, the woodland. I mean, to the Appalachian Trail, I'm sure it could easily go from there to there. Or maybe these things migrate over great distances or throughout the different time of the year. Or maybe this one, when I was a kid, was toward the end of its years. And maybe, you know, I don't know, I didn't really have any good explanation for it. But listening to your show and looking back on all the experiences I had when I was a kid,

clearly there was something going on down there in the hills. And I never really told anybody or put two and two to, together and a lot of my family, I tried asking one of my great aunts not too awful long ago, maybe about three or four years ago, and she didn't want to talk about it at all. She wanted no part of it. She's like, oh, well, we've got bears in the area sometimes. And I'm like, I don't ever remember hearing anybody talk about a bear. Now, they would talk about this white thing that was almost like a ghost that they would see,

or they would talk about a giant white mountain lion, which I thought was weird because I've never heard of any mountain lions down there, but I'm sure they're there, but let alone I now bina or a white one. I do remember, so it's funny how things come back to you, and as I was emailing you, I wrote your emails to tell you about some of these things, and then I started remembering about my grandfather taking me down to the river one other time, and it was in the evening. And I thought it was very strange that we were going down there in the evening.

Well, we walked down this other way to a different side of the river. Like I said, it's like a big giant S. And there's this one part of the river where you could walk down where he often fished, where there was these big giant sandbar. And it was kind of flat. And you could sit out by the river. And grandpa built like a little fire. And, you know, I'm a kid.

I'm flipping over rocks looking for crawledaddies and turtles and whatever I can find. And it's that kind of. you know, twilight hour where the sun is kind of, you know, just about the set. And I remember it was very strange because all of a sudden, this guy comes walking out of the woods. Older gentleman, kind of like my dad, like my grandfather, you know, he had, but this guy had a big beard and he was just an older guy just walked out of the woods. And as we're, as I'm sitting there playing, I look and here comes another guy. He walks across the shallow rocks across the river because the river was really low and he comes out of another direction of the woods.

And then we're there for a little bit and here comes another guy. And it was almost like, I don't know if you ever seen Lord of the Rings when all the inths come out, all the big tree people come out for a meeting. It kind of felt like that looking back on it. Like these mountain men were coming out of the woods to come and sit down with my grandfather and have a drink and sit by the fire. And being a kid, you know, I'm still, I'm playing with the rocks and whatever. I'm looking for crawled ads or whatever I'm doing.

And I remember hearing the word calcare and my ears kind of perked up. I heard calcare. So I kind of went back over a little closer to them and they're talking. And that's where they start talking about this big white thing in the woods that would follow them. And how chickens were missing or dogs would be found killed and ripped apart or just weed things. And so the other thing I found interesting was these old guys. These old mountain men were talking about ghost lights, seeing lights in the hills. These guys clearly, they were talking about seeing blue and green and amber-colored lights in the hills at night just in the middle of nowhere.

And so I just thought their stories just amazed me as a kid. Yeah, I could definitely understand your curiosity and hearing these terms. And, you know, I've heard the Calcare term one other time. It was about seven years ago. I was interviewing a guy from West Virginia. He didn't come on the air. His phone was a mess. But he kept calling it the calcare.

And I asked him, I go, what is the calcare? And he goes, it's Bigfoot. That's what we call Bigfoot. And I always wondered about that name. I kind of did the same thing you did, Scott. I remember searching the internet, and I could not find that term anywhere. I always wondered if it was like some Native American name. and it's like our slang version of what they're calling it.

So we call it the calcare. And again, I've only heard that one other time, and that was about seven years ago. I want to come back and ask you a question about your grandmother. Before I do, take me to the fall of 2022 when you saw this strange creature. What were you doing? And what happened? It was October, 2022. It was after my daughter's choir concert, I remember my wife stayed home, was a toddler.

You know, obviously taking a toddler to the choir concerts, you know, rough. He's a pretty rowdy little guy. So me and my daughter driving home, didn't have the radio on or anything. She was playing on her phone, typical teenage girl playing on her phone while I'm driving. And we get just about a mile or so outside of town. and there's no oncoming traffic or anything. And then all of a sudden, I see this big, giant, doll-looking thing that comes out of the creek bed on one side of the road.

There's like a dry creek bed and a fence there and shoots straight across the road with such speed. And I'm like bumping my daughter, and I bump her just in time for her to look up. And she looks up. And I said, what was that? And she just kind of looks at me, big dog and kind of, you know, sarcastically, you know, and I'm like, no, that was definitely something different. And so, but what was crazy is how fast it moved. I've never, so I've been in the woods my entire life, you know, Boy Scouts, hunting, camping, fishing.

I've seen all different kinds of animals. I've seen coyotes. I've seen bear. I've seen, you name it. And this thing moved almost like a flash. It was so fast. It was almost hard to even get a good look at it. It was moving so fast from one side of the road to the other.

But I remember specifically it was like a dark brown or a black. And it had, man, it's kind of frightening just to think about it again because it's just, oh, it was huge. And it had this like Maine, almost like a chow dog. I don't have you ever seen a big chow dog. but what was different is it had a big long snout and big pointy ears like a Doberman or like a German shepherd. And I remember the hair behind the head, which I thought was very strange. But it covered a good 100 yards within just a matter of mere seconds. I mean, it was that fast.

It was just a flash running across the road. And I just thought it was the strangest thing because I've always wanted to see something. I've always wanted to see, you know, a big foot or a ghost or something, but I've never actually seen anything. But when I saw it, it took me back. It made me kind of question what on earth am I seeing? And then, you know, you try to justify it, okay, that was just a big dog or that was some kind of coyote hybrid or something. You know, that's all it was. And so I tried to justify it in my mind.

You know, I just saw a big dog. It's not a big deal. We go home. And I kind of mention it to my wife in task. thing. I'm like, yeah, we saw all this big dog thing right across the, the, whatever, the road. And she's like, oh, and didn't really, that was kind of it. But what was really kind of strange is after I saw this thing, I started having these really strange dreams. I know how it's hard to describe. So I've heard people talk about when they see this thing, whatever it is, that they have weird

dreams or that these things will visit you in your dreams or whatever. But my dreams started becoming very strange to the point. And I don't want to sound crazy because this, it's just, I know it sounds nuts. But I would dream that I was me living my life, but it was a whole different life, like different job, different house. Sometimes even my kids would look different, but they were still my kids. And I knew them or my wife would look different or we'd live somewhere else, different friends. And so I started looking up these dreams and it says, you know, supposedly you can't dream of a face you've never seen. I guess that's kind of a thing. I don't know. That's what I've read that you can't dream of a face you've never seen. But I can tell you, I've dreamed of faces that I've

never seen, not in passing, not on Facebook, not whatever. They're very specific, and it's me. And I'm comfortable in my life. And I know who my family is. I know those are my kids. I know that's my wife. I know those are my friends. I know that's my house. But it's not my house. It's not my current life. And it's only happened since I saw this thing. And I know that sounds completely crazy, but I swear I'm telling the truth. It's just this thing was something different. It was something not natural.

It couldn't have been natural. The way it moved, I've never seen an animal or human, anything, move. I mean, if you took your hand and you moved it across in front of your face quickly, you know that that fast kind of blurry kind of motion that's how fast this thing was going i mean it was moving fast and oh man it just it i got up the nerve um probably about a year later to actually stop there in the daylight and so i thought i'm going to stop get out and just kind of how big was this thing and because i remember being big but i you know at nighttime i i couldn't you know really get a good grip on how big it was. So I get out and it's the daytime and, you know, I'm looking around,

I'm looking at the creek bed, I'm looking at the fence and I'm looking over at the road sign that's right there. I'm looking at everything. I'm going, this thing had to be four feet on all fours, but its back had to be a good four feet on all fours. That's how big it was. And that's when it really started to creep me out and get me like, you know, this was, this was only about 10 minutes from my house. This is not far from where we live. And, you know, it just, I've never seen anything like it. I can't even describe, like, compare it to anything.

Like, other than these stories I hear, like, on your show and other shows about dogmen. I mean, it reminded me of that old, you know, movie, what was it, American Werewolf in London, the one that used to creep me out when I was a kid, you know, that when just this big creature. but the way it moved just it really has stuck with me. I haven't seen anything move like that. So it's just, and like I said,

weird stuff has kind of been happening ever since I've seen it. Yeah, the dreams are very interesting to me. I think after people have encounters, most of the time they have nightmares about the encounter they just had. I mean, I experienced that, you know, nightmares for, you got to the point

where I really didn't want to go to sleep. But, you know, I think anytime someone experiences something traumatic and it doesn't have to be, you know, bodily injury, I mean, you're seeing something that shouldn't exist. I think subconsciously your brain's trying to rest by having these weird dreams. And that's just my opinion. I could be 100% wrong on that. It is interesting, though. And I appreciate you sharing that small little detail. how far away from you was this thing?

And I realize all this is happening very, very quickly, but what were some of the details that stood out to you about its appearance? Well, it was probably a good 50 or 60 feet in front of the car. It was just good enough in the headlights to where I got a good look at it. You know what I mean? It was that right at that point where if it had been a little farther down, I probably would have barely been able to make it out in the headlights. But, you know, I got a newer car.

pretty bright headlights so I mean I could see it pretty clearly and I remember the fur the way the fur like moving like it was running so fast the fur was kind of blowing back like I remember that specifically and how long it was around its head and how it was shorter on the rest of its body and I remember it had a tail which I thought was weird too it had it had not like a big huge bushy tail but some sort of tail trailing behind it with hair on it but it didn't seemed like it was as long as like this big main around its head, right? And I remember the snout. I remember seeing, you know, just this big, big snout, like a, like I said, like a German shepherd, it stuck out from from its face pretty far. And then those ears sticking up out of the

hair, I could see them just standing straight up. Like they weren't moving hardly at all other than kind of blowing back a little bit. But it had to be black or dark brown. And it was running on all fours and just comparing the size to going back there and standing out there myself. I'm not a big guy. I'm like five foot ten. I go out there and I'm standing there. I'm going, wow, this thing had to be every bit of four foot running on all fours. Now, I never saw it stand up. It was just moving so fast across the road. And, you know, this is a very rural area. We live there's a lot of cornfields and things out here. There's, you know, it's, it's the middle of the night. By October, most of those are, most of the cornfields and everything are gone. So it's just big open fields and there's some brush and some trees. I remember there was a pretty big creek not far from there, just down the road a bit, which I thought was, you know, you always hear people talk about water and water being nearby and seeing these things. I don't know if there's any truth of that, but it just really stood out to me because I grew up watching monster movies. I love monster movies.

I've always loved the idea of monsters, but then I see this real life, werewolf-looking thing. And I just don't even know how to wrap my head around it. I'm like, this stuff is supposed to be fake. It's supposed to be made up. It's not real. But I don't know what I saw. Yeah, four feet tall on all fours. I mean, that thing is huge.

That thing is really huge. You know, I had a Pibble one time, and he was about 90 pounds, and he was a big dog. Compared to, I guess for the audience, to kind of comparing it to a household dog, I realize that's not what you saw. but I mean when you were looking at this saying how much do you think it weighed? I know it's kind of a hard question to answer. So when I grew up, we had huskies, big, big huskies. I mean, we're talking 100-pound husky dog, big huskies.

And over the years I've had, you know, I've had a sheep dog, a big sheep dog, I've had German Shepherd. I mean, I've had big dogs throughout the years growing up and around. They've always been kind of around. We've always had some kind of a dog. And usually they were bigger dogs. And I can tell you that, you know, compared to a hundred pound dog, I mean, this thing, I mean, I would say five times that it had to be, you know, we're talking four or five hundred pounds easy. You know, I grew up on a farm too. We used to, you know, I'm used to judging size of cows and sheep and animals, you know, that weighs 1,200 pounds or that weighs, you know, she's probably about 250, things like that.

So looking at this thing and going back and kind of staying side by side where it was, I'm going to say this thing was every bit of 400 to 500 pounds. Easy. You know, I've only seen a Cheetah on TV. I've never seen one in person. But I think they run anywhere between 50 and 80 miles an hour. And I think they're probably closer to 80. But, you know, when I watch a cheetah on TV, I don't think a natural at all.

I just think, wow, things are really moving. But, you know, when people see Dogman and when they see Sasquatch, like in a full stride, that word unnatural comes up a lot. What was it about its movements that really stood out to you? It moved in a way. Like, I never seen it bob up and down or anything. It just seemed like it kind of, I don't know, like it was just fluent across the road. Like it was so smooth and so fast. and I've seen animals run full speed

I've seen dogs and other things run this didn't run like a normal dog it just moved so quickly and so just straight like it didn't seem like it had much effort but it was going so so fast and the legs looked

almost like a blur like I said it was just moving that fast it was it was like if you would have if you would have blinked an eye for a second If I would have looked away, even for a second, I would have probably missed it, or I would have caught just, you know, something running off and on the other side of the road. It was just so smooth the way it ran. Now, I don't remember seeing, like, if the back legs were bigger or if its butt stuck up in the air, it seemed like everything was pretty level. But I don't remember, like, seeing it bounce up and down or, you know, like when an animal runs, you can kind of tell, you know, they got, you know, left right, left right. You'll see the shoulder blades and stuff up and down.

But this didn't really move like that. It didn't move like an animal running that I've ever seen. And like I said, it almost seemed, I don't know, supernatural or paranormal in some way, the way it moved. But I knew it was a real thing. I could see it. I could see it moving through the bushes as it left. I mean, it made movement. It impacted the environment.

You know, it's not like it wasn't real. But he moved in a way that didn't seem real. Like the flash out of a comic book almost. It's just moving so fast. so fluently that it's just... You know, Scott, I've actually had a lot of reports from Ohio regarding this dog man. You know, a lot of times people will see an upright canine. But when it's on all fours, they'll describe it.

I mean, you described it to a T of what I've heard in the past, four or five feet tall on all fours. And I hate the term dog man, but, and I really think that's what you saw. What do you think it is? What's your take? I mean, it's such a word. weird thing people are seeing. I honestly don't know.

And like I said, I've listened to a bunch of your shows on it. And I've kind of, you know, all throughout the south, you know, Louisiana, all the way up to Ohio, to Michigan, the dogman, you know, and again, I agree with you. I don't like that word either because I don't, I don't think, I don't know. I don't think, I mean, it's, it's been around for a long time, I think, but I don't know what exactly it is. It seems like it's on the verge of something natural, not natural. You know, it's almost like when you hear people's accounts of like Bigfoot and stuff,

well, it just disappeared or it just appeared. I don't know that, you know, what I saw looked like a flesh and blood animal. It didn't look like it was, you know, any kind of spirit or magical thing. But I think that I think that there are these rare creatures or whatever you want to call them that are very good at hiding. You know, if they have heightened senses and they're faster than we are, you know, they're top predators.

They can move faster than we can. They can hide better than we can. They can smell is coming from a mile away, so it's not hard to hide from us. And when they do come out, maybe it's an accident, or maybe they were hunting and we caught a glimpse of them,

or maybe they wanted to be seen. I really felt like it's... I hear people in your show talk about how it's evil. I really didn't get that immediate sense of evil or like dread until I got home. And then I thought about how close it was to home and my family and everything. You know, like that's when I started feeling like, uh-oh, that's just not 10 minutes from here. It's right down the road. What if, you know, you hear stories about these things following you home.

And so I started getting like this really, this anxiety and this fear. And like, you know, I just started getting panicky, you know. And just, I don't know exactly what it is, but I know it's something that's not, it's not something you're going to find every day. It's definitely either super rare or it's something we just don't understand. It's got to be one of the two things. Either it's just super good at hiding and hunting or it's something paranormal. It's all, I mean, there's really no other explanation. Either it's flesh and blood or it's not.

But what I saw was flesh and blood. and it was big. Yeah, I'm with you, Scott. I think that the dog man is very physical. People are running into a ghost. They're running into something very physical, and it's large, and they're terrified. And dogman really doesn't make any sense

because canines can't get up on two legs and run around, but I've heard many, many reports of whatever this thing is, that's exactly what it does, runs around like a man. And people are seeing it. You know, I want to go back to you growing up and your family. And I really appreciate you sharing, you know, moments in time with your family and growing up. And I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is?

And I'm curious, what are your thoughts, Scott? What do you think that Sasquatch is? I know you're going to ask me that because I listened to your show. And that's the question that when you ask it, I'm like, oh, what would I say? What would I say if West asked me that? And, you know, listening to your show, and I just want to, again, say that I think you do a great job with it. And I really appreciate, you know, you let me tell my story because I don't, it's not something that I would normally just blurt out. But I just, it's kind of, kind of a scary thing.

But, you know, growing up with the stories and things that I've heard regarding Sasquatch and Bigfoot and, you know, I really, I'm going to have to say I'm on board with you. I don't think it's an ape. I think it's something else. I think it's flesh and blood. I think it's something that just, either it's a, you know, some kind of,

just an ancient tribe of peoples that have just never really civilized and moved out of the woods. They just kind of stayed in the woods. or it's I don't think it's an ape I don't I don't know about hybrid I know there's been a lot of talks about hybrids

and things like that but I mean if there are hybrids then you know the Indians report of this thing you know how did it how does it become a hybrid back then you know that were there guerrillas over here no I mean how to get a hybrid gorilla

you know a thousand years ago but I don't I think Sasquatch is its own unique thing and I think that's probably part of the reason that we have such a hard time really identifying it, tracking it down, or getting a good picture of it. I think it's its own thing. I think it's very unique. It's nothing like, you know, anything else. And there's reports of them all over the world. You know, like you said, almost every

continent has a hairy man or a big foot or a yaoi or something. And I really think that Sasquatch is a very unique creature. Now, I have a... I, you know, I listen to your shows and, you know, some of Ron Mooreheads theories and things like that. And I love, I love all the experts and the people that you bring on. Those guys, you know, some of them, I mean, they're just, you know, we're standing on, you know, their shoulders. Just, just these guys are the ones that the real deal that have been out there doing this stuff. And I've never gone looking for big photo Sasquatch. So for me, when I listen to the show, I'm thinking, well, what do I think it is?

And just, I just, I think it's its own thing. I think there's nothing like it, and the reason it can avoid us is because it's, maybe it has these heightened senses, these heightened sense of ability to move. You know, I've heard they can run super fast. I mean, you can stand right next to one off the trail 10 feet away from you and you can't see it. You know, these stories that you hear, they're so close to you and you don't even know it's there. You know, maybe they are just really good at adapting to their environment and hiding. And I think that their curiosity gets to them and that's why we see them sometimes or we invade their area and they don't want us there. So they start the traditional rock throwing and bluff charging and noises and screaming.

I think that they know, you know, they don't want us in that area. So that's their thing. You know, just get out of my area. But if they're that good at hiding and they've been doing it so long and it is a people or a type of people that, you know, a type of people that, live in the woods and they just never, you know, became civilized and they, you know, they stayed out there, you know, it's just like any other animal, I would assume if you put a dog in the woods and he becomes feral, he reverts back, you know, maybe they've just never, you know, reverted out of that feral stage, but they've also, it kind of evolved a bit to where they've

learned what we are, you know, they've learned that guns are bad, that they're going to kill us, so they stay away, or they've learned that, hey, if I go and I kill that person, then ten of those are going to come and, you know, come after me and they're going to try to, me out or and maybe they have a language. Maybe they have spoken history like Native Americans. Maybe they pass knowledge along, you know, they're where they know, hey, if you see, you know, humans stay away from. They're, they will kill you. And I really think that that's something that, you know, like I said, just listening to your show, it really makes me wonder because I know, again, I've never seen one, but I know that there's something out there. There's just too many

reports. There's too much going on. I mean, there's, like, I think I heard one of the people on your show say there's enough evidence out there that you could convict somebody for murder in court. That's all, you know, you have more evidence than what they convict somebody for murder in court. That's how much evidence we have. But yet, you know, you could go down the whole rabbit hole of government cover up and all that stuff. But I really think that it's something unique. And I think that, you know, and I think these people that have seen it, it's just changed their lives. I mean, you know, listening to you and Woody's a counter and stuff, I know that it's changed your life and that

you know it's real. But how do we classify it? What do you call it? What do you, what group do you put it in? Do you say it's, you know, an upright hominid? Is it a hybrid? Is it a ancient people? It's clearly intelligent. It clearly avoids us and can disappear into the woods in the blink of an eye if it wanted to and just blend with its environment. I don't know. That's the big question, right? That's the number one thing. What is, what is it? But I really think it's unique. I think they're their own, they're their own thing. They're their own people. I really do. And I appreciate your answer, Scott. I mean, I agree with you. I think that it is its own thing, whatever that is. You know, one question I wanted to ask you earlier, when you were sitting on the porch with your grandmother and you guys heard something similar to this,

and your grandmother, you know, being living out in the country and knowing what a cougar sounds like, you know, when a cougar screams, it sounds more like this. So I think your grandmother was kind of lying to you, probably to protect you. You know, you don't want to say it's that freak show out there running around. You go with cougar, and do you think your grandmother saw the creature before? I can't say because she never said right out. I know that she's a very, very religious woman and didn't talk about certain things. Like, she would just avoid certain things like the plague. And I don't ever actually remember asking her specifically what the calcare or what the booger was.

I just remember that she would just tell me if I wasn't good, it was going to get me or if I went out at night, it was going to get me. I do think she knew a lot more than what she let on. I actually think that maybe she was feeding something. She used to put this big silver pot out. And I don't know if I told you this or not, but she used to put this big silver pot out on this stump and put the leftovers in it. I thought that was strange because if you had leftovers,

you just pitch them out the door and whatever animal come along would eat it, you know. But she would actually put it on this stump by the edge of the holler where the spring was. And she would put the food there and then we'd get up the next day and it'd be gone. And I think my grandfather knew something too because whenever something would get into his chickens, he would always, you know, we never find any blood or any feathers, but he said there was missing chickens. And the only way to get in and out would have been to open the door, you know, actually physically turn the handle and open the door on the chicken coop.

Well, I thought it was strange is that he put sulfur around the chicken coop. And I'd heard, like, I never knew that was even a thing. And I heard that on your show one time that somebody had said that these people would put sulfur around the property. to keep these things away. Well, I remember specifically grandpa was putting sulfur around the chicken coop, and I thought it was to keep away snakes or other critters. And it could have been. I don't know. It might be reading too much into it.

But I remember that. And I remember, you know, chickens had gotten out and been missing. I remember, you know, him having me climb a tree, you know, early morning one time to catch all the chickens and pass them down to him, this big pine tree and pass him down to him. He was throwing them in this burlop, roll out bad because they got him. out in the middle of the night and he couldn't figure out how they'd gotten out because he'd actually put a piece of wire around the lock on the chicken coop and it was like a turn handle type thing and he twisted a piece of wire around it and somehow they'd still gotten out in the middle of the night and the door was open. So I know there was probably a lot more that they knew

they just didn't either they didn't want to scare us because we were all kids or they just didn't want to talk about it because again they're religious and they don't really talk about those kind of things. It wasn't something that we sat around at the breakfast table and talked about. It was just, you know, hey, be good. The bugger's going to get you. But I honestly think they knew more than what they let on, Wes. I really do. Yeah, people out in the country, they'll do that. They'll take their table straps and throw them out in the woods. And I remember as a boy, my grandparents would do that. Your grandmother, though, putting it in a pot on a stump really makes me wonder, maybe she was trying to bribe whatever was taking the chickens.

Like, here's your food, come get it, that sort of thing. It kind of sounds like gifting. I'm sure gifting that term didn't exist back then, but it makes me wonder what your grandmother was doing. And, you know, I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and kind of share your family history and the encounters and then your own personal encounter just last year. I really enjoyed chatting with you, Scott. Thank you so much for taking the time to come on. It's been an honor, Wes. I really appreciate it. And I've got lots of more stories of just crazy,

other weird things that have happened. But, you know, I've always wanted to see something. And I listen to your show. And I, you know, I always hear you say careful what you wish for. And, you know, honestly, you know, seeing what I saw this thing, it's not what I expected. You know, I thought I'd always be walking in the woods and maybe see a big foot one day. Not this thing. You know, just kind of thrown into my life. I didn't expect that at all. I've always been a, you know, a monster fan.

But this is, it was something different. But I really, really appreciate you having me on. Like I said, I'm a big fan of the show. Love everything that you do. And I'm big supporter. So you just, you just kill it, man. And I really appreciate you having me on. Thanks again, brother.

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