Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:989 Two Police Officers Encounter Creature

Episode Date: September 17, 2023

Tonight I will be speaking to John. John is a police officer in 2003 in Louisiana was traveling with his training officer and when came upon a strange creature on the side of the highway eating roadkill. I misheard John during our phone conversation I thought he said 2013 but this encounter happened in 2003.

And as we were coming, I was looking upward down the highway. And we saw something over to the right on the pasture side. The pasture side, I was on the shotgun side, which is the pasture side. There was something kneeling down or squatting down on the shoulder of the road. And we rolled up and we cut the lights on bright. there was in front of it a freshly hit deer, a doe deer line with its back towards us on the shoulder of the road. And this person or thing, I'm not even going to say it was a person. And it was raking the insides out of the carcass of the deer.

And putting it in its mouth as fast as it could. And it was squatted down. And it's just kind of weird, you know, just reminisce somebody, but it's so vivid. But it seems as if it had facial features, a face like a man. But it was covered in hair. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight.

up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw the bears. And what are you reporting? Get somebody out here.

What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a manor? Yes, I'm looking right in. This is the best podcast in the whole world. I'm Lily and you're watching Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Lily sent me that intro and I had to trim it down for time. There's only about 10 or 12 seconds for a listener's submission to be plugged in. I love the intro, Lily, so forgive me if I had to trim a little bit off. If you want to send me an email with an intro, I'll put you in in the beginning of the show. I think it's a cool way for the audience to be a part of the show. The only thing that I ask is try and record in an area that is very quiet. I can only cut out so much noise.

One listener sent me, he recorded an intro, and he seemed to be next to a freeway. It was the greatest, but I couldn't use it. So if he can, try and be in a quiet area. Tonight we'll be speaking with John. John has been in law enforcement for 20 plus years, and John kind of corrected me. I'd put 2013 for when this encounter happened. John said it was about 20 years ago, so that's about 2003. But John and his training officer encountered this creature on the side of the highway.

And after this experience, John had told me two other senior officers had shared their own personal experiences with them. Both officers have passed away, but I asked John to share it in memory of them. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicle. Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome John to the show. John, thanks for coming on. I'm glad to be on. Yeah, and your encounter takes place in Louisiana. We're going back 20 years. If you would, just kind of walk us into what happened. What did you guys end up seeing? I remember it was very cold weather. And it felt like I can remember it was either December or January.

Another officer and I were on a detail. We had to transport a maximum security offender to New Orleans for a court hearing for the U.S. Marshal Service. And we left and we come through the area. and it's wooded, like really dense, wooded forest we come through. And it was maybe, maybe 2.33 a.m. in the morning. As we were going, we were having small talking such as that. And down here in the central part of Louisiana, where we're at, it's mostly pine timber. And there's very few, you know, the city with trees that, you know, leaves for fall foliage.

but anyway, but it was still dense force was going through, and it was a regular two-lane highway. And like I said, it was here in central Louisiana. And we come through it past a truck stop and kept going and was going into like the flatlands going towards like the Delta region going towards another town. And like I said, it was, you know, 2.30 in the morning. And like I remember, it was really cold. And I remember before I got in the unit how bright the stars were. And like I said, we was having small talking. We was going and it was a river system that was coming up onto called Little River.

I'm sorry, Old River. I'm sorry, Old River. And what was going on the highway and it's this long bridge that's maybe a quarter mile long across the river. And as we were coming, I was looking upward down the highway. And we saw something over to the right on the pasture side. The pastor's side, I was on the shotgun side, which is the pastor's side. There was something kneeling down or squatting down on the shoulder of the road. And we rolled up and we cut the lights on bright.

And it was, I don't know, it was a man or what it was, but there was, in front of it, a freshly hit deer, a doe deer line with its back towards us on the shoulder of the road. And this person or thing, I'm not even going to say it was a person. And it was raking the insides out of the carcass of the deer. And putting it in its mouth as fast as it could. and it was squatted down and it's just kind of weird you know just reminiscing about it but it's so vivid

but it seems as if it had facial features a face like a man but it was covered in hair and it had hair like like a blackish gray and it was just so big and it was raking the insides out of this deer and shoved it in its mouth as fast as it could

like it was scared or something and I looked over at the senior officer who was driving I was like what what's going on he said I said you see that he said yeah I see it we used a little closer and it stopped it stopped eating and we just it was a good two minutes we sat there island watching it and it just sat there and was just squatted down

and it had hair over its face and hair on its face like it covered the bridge of the nose it covered the mouth and we weren't so close we could see the color of its eyes but it was a good maybe 10 12 yards from us and then my senior officer i guess you could say he got kind of spooked or he just said to hell with it And he let the hammer down and we just went on around it. And we went on for a little while after we went around it. And it kind of freaked me out because this big thing is going to be on my side, you know. And we just swooped on around it and he floored it. We took off.

And we was driving along there. We passed on the bridge and we kept going. I was still like a goose bumps all over me. I don't know what. was, I don't know, it couldn't be no man. I know no man that would be out there at 233 o'clock in the morning, breaking the insides out of a dead deer shoving it in his mouth. Yeah, it would seem very strange behavior for a man to be on the side of the road.

And after you had described it to me, I knew it wasn't a man. And there's a lot of reports of Sasquatch eating roadkill. A lot of reports of dogman eating roadkill, which makes sense. You know, it's a quick, very quick meal and you have to do very little for it. I'm not saying that's what I would want, but you know what I'm saying. I want to ask you two questions. One, did the creature overturn and look at you guys? And for the audience, would you kind of describe what you saw?

It watched us. After my senior officer, he hit the hammer down on the unit and we were around it. it watched us go by. Like it's like how someone squatted down like it was, kind of turned on its feet, watched us go by. And I was probably, we got over on the,

on the westbound side of the highway. And they're about wrecking the size of the unit inside the concrete pile is on the bridge. So I was probably eight, 10, 12 feet from it. And it was just so freaky. And believe me, I've hunted all over Louisiana.

I've hunted Mississippi. You know, I've fished all in the Gulf. I've hunted and fished in Oregon in California and Washington State. And I've spent many hours in the woods and in the swamp in the mountains, hunting and fishing. And I've never seen anything like that in my life. And what struck me, was the size. I mean, this thing,

this cryptid whatever you want to call it, you could tell it, it didn't live on fruit and berries. I mean, this thing was, this thing was a protein eater. You know what I mean? Couldn't have to get that big eating, you know, grass and berries and whatever.

But what struck me was the size of it, the width of the shoulders. I mean, it was no shorter when it was squatted down. You know, I could tell it was a tall being. But I imagine if it stood up straight, it would at least be, you know, seven to quarter, seven, seven and a half foot high. I've never seen a man that big in my life.

You could tell it had a human, human like, I'll go with that. A human like features, you know, nose and mouth. the nose seemed wide, but the hair, you know, you know how a normal man, you know, hair will start growing as a beard, you know, maybe one, two inches below the eye sockets on the face. This had hair, because I remember being in a westbound lane going around it and with the patrol lights, its hair started maybe half inch or three-quarter an inch below its eye going down. and it had hair that covered its nose. I've seen some big dudes. I go to the gym religiously, and we've got guys that come in there, like U.S. Marshals that could pick up a coping machine and run off with it.

And this dude here, this thing, it beat anything I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, I understand the confusion. and, you know, even more so because as you're, as a training officer's driving, you're watching this thing and it's right next to you because you're on the passenger side. You know, what's weird, John, is most predators will run off. You know, if you pull up and there's something eating on the side of the road like roadkill, whether it be, you know, a coyote or whatever, generally, if you pull up and stop, they'll run off. They'll come back after you leave, but your real predators, though, will get into a

stance like they're going to fight. You know, with Sasquatch, it kind of, I mean, it lines up with all their behavior. It's like, this thing didn't even care you guys were there. It didn't care. I mean, that deer belonged to it. I mean, you know, I've watched wildlife. You know, I watched coyotes while hunting. They stand their ground.

And an apex predator will stand their ground unless it's another big alpha that comes. there to claim it. And there was nothing, there was no way out for in this parish that was going to come take that deer from that thing. So do you and your partner talk about this afterwards? We talked about it once.

Well, after we left, after we got down a road, about 5, 10 miles, my senior, he looked at me, he said, what was that? I said, I wish I knew. I wish I could tell you. And we remained pretty silent

till we got to New Orleans and we went to the federal court in New Orleans and after the court proceedings we left and we talked about it one more time after that on the way back and we intentionally we talked about it you know

and my senior he he had never seen anything like that for his life either and we purposefully come back in the same route that we took going down there and we got turned out of court about maybe 3 p.m., and we highted it back, where we could get to that same spot before it got dark,

just to see if that carcass was still there. And whenever we got there, it was already dark, but we slowed down, and we stopped, and the carcass was completely gone. It either had its feel and picked up, throw it on its shoulders, and walked off or I don't know. You know, John, a lot of times when people have encounters, and maybe it's more of my perspective, you would think they would go, oh, that's Sasquatch,

especially in this information age. And I know this was 2003, so the information age was taking off. But, you know, for the most part, people have heard of Bigfoot Sasquatch. When you were looking at this saying, did you think Bigfoot or were you thinking this is just some freak monster on the side of the road? Bigfoot has always been on my mind since I was a child. My grandfather, he was a supervisor for the what I have here is the school board over the maintenance division. Whenever libraries from the schools would get new books, one of his jobs was to get rid of the books, you know,

but he would take encyclopedias. He would take science books. He was a very smart man. And he would keep these books. And he had one that was a book called Mysteries of the Unexplained, and I remember it as a child. And I remember getting that book off his bookshelf in his library, him and my grandmother's library,

and lying in the floor, and reading this book and, you know, coming across, you know, Sasquatch or Bigfoot. and I've always held a fascination with it since I was a child. And that's the first thing that popped in my mind was, you know, Sasquatch or a Bigfoot. But, you know, growing up, I was always watching anything I could absorb or anything I could read about Bigfoot.

I was just eating it up and trying to learn as much about it as I could. Any movie that come out, any documentary, any comic book. any kind of mystery book that had anything to do with Bigfoot. I had it. And that's, like I said, that's the first thing that popped on my mind. But, you know, you come to the conclusion that Bigfoot, he eats fruit and berries, and he comes out at night and all this stuff. You know, he's not any kind of threat to mankind.

And, you know, like Harry and the Hennerson's, you know, and stuff like that, you grew up watching that. He's not nothing big and bad. But, I mean, but whenever you are, you know, 25 years old, And you have all that on your mind of that was what Bigfoot actually was. And then you see this thing on the side of the highway, throwing a roadkill in his mouth and smearing it on its face as fast as it could. That kind of throws a wrench in the gears, you know, of your perception of what a Saswatch is supposed to be.

Yeah, that's a really cool perspective, you know, because I think a lot of people do have that on their head. You know, it's in our culture. Harry and the Henderson's, that Sasquatch I would sit down and have a beer with. The real one, maybe not so much. I want to come back to this encounter and ask you a few questions. I know before we started recording,

you had told me, you know, after this encounter, you had shared what happened to you. And two officers had actually shared their encounters. And I know they've passed now. But would you mind sharing with us what they told you, what happened to them? Yes, sir. It was another officer that I worked with. And this happened whenever he was a child, well, a young man.

And it's like I said, this man here is dead gone. He passed away two or three years ago. And I became close to this older man. And he was a fine father. and he was a retired preacher. And like I said, he also, not only he, he was a reverend or preacher, he was an officer also. This happened whenever he was probably, like I say, a young man, 14, 15 years old. This was in the Kasagi National Forest here in central Louisiana.

It's, if you look on the map, it's between Winfield, Louisiana and, Nackettish, Louisiana. He was raised out in that country, that big thicket kind of country there of central western Louisiana. This was probably 1960, maybe, between 55 and 60. He was a young man, and he would go squirrel hunting. And he had a little beagle squirrel dog. We call him gyps around here,

little jip-dow. Anyhow, he and I was talking about it. Well, he told me that, like I said, I'm going to tell you, now he had that experience during the October months, this area here is like really dry. It's kind of dry season here. And it's hard squirrel hunt. And that's why he had that little, little beagle hang. And like I said, this was between 55 and 1960. He went out at daylight, the little squirrel hunting on Saturday morning, he told me. He lived little biggle out and he walked behind it and a little biggle would sing and holler you know you're barking or baying that squirrel he'd walk up there well he'd see the squirrel and he'd run out he'd pop up at that 20 gauge he told me he had a single shot 20 gauge shotgun and uh he had about

four or five squirrels it was about right at dinner or 12 o'clock high noon here and his bigel kept running well he was it done got hot and he gets kind of hot here in october and it was dry and he couldn't find his big, where he heard it barking. And that area out there is pretty, in that statue, it's kind of sandy ground and dry. Like I said, during this time of year, anyhow, he went hunting, hunting that ham. And he couldn't see it, but he could hear it. Anyhow, he finally come upon his branch. Well, I guess they call them creeks in other parts of the country.

he heard that dog barking and well he found it and it was baying out another squirrel. Well he didn't worry about it. He doesn't have a bag full of squirrars on his back and he was getting hot and tired. His dog got loose from him and run and slid down the side of this creek

this branch. And he's saying he got a little bit of running water a little water in it. And he took out after that little beagle hound and he slid down the branch down, the bank down there to the water. And he started walking that branch.

And his dog doesn't quit acting silly, and she started, you know, walking behind him. And he come around a bend in the creek. And the banks of the creek were kind of high. He kept walking. And he come around a bend, and that little big old hand was behind him. He looked, and in the side of this creek was a dugout. And it was, you can see in that hole. and it was lengthwise, he said probably two and a half, three feet wide and about 10 foot long.

And he didn't really know what it was. Well, anyhow, he eased up there and got close to it. And he thought it may have been like an old panther den or maybe no bear laid up in there, you know, a little honey bear or whatever. But he walked up there And he looked over in that cut out In that side of that bank And he looked in it for something long and brownish black in there And he couldn't really make out what it was

And then he saw it moving And he kind of stepped back a little bit And like I said it was high noon And he really couldn't see in there very well But he got real still And he heard some kind of grumbling and heavy breathing. He looked a little,

walked back in a little closer and he saw that it was it was something laying on its side. He thought it was a bear. But it moved, kind of settled down in that sand and ground a little bit in that hole. And he looked down there

toward the end of it, see like bear paw. He looked like feet in there. but there was sand raked up on the feet and looked like one of the legs was bleeding a 14, 15 year old boy

and he just really didn't know what it was well it moved and it threw his hand but you know how a person will lie on their side and they'll throw their hand behind them kind of in a rest of position he said it was a hand it was a big left hand and the skin was kind of a darkish

brownish black color of the inside of palm and inside of fingers. And he thought it was a man. But he was kept looking and looked down there towards the left leg where it was bleeding at where the sand was piled over on it. He knew it wasn't a man. It just kind of scared of loving hell out of him. Excuse my language. He backed out of there.

And he got that hand and picked it. and picked it up. Little old beaglehound and put it under his shirt, he told me where it wouldn't make no noise. And he started walking back here and he turned around. And he real slightly just walked through the water to the other side of the creek and made his way back down the branch

until he could find a place where he could climb up. And he got maybe, he said, 150, 200 yards from where he had that hollered out hole was and he let that biggle down and he said he tore hell out of he he took his shotgun and threw it up on the side of the bank and was clawing and squalling and squalling and climbing that bank as hard as he could and he got to the top of it and he picked the back shotgun he shook the sand off of it and dirt and um he put another shell in it and he said he held it uh hilt it back to his house.

And it was very vivid the way he, and whenever he told me about it, we were sitting in my office. He's just like he's staring at a blank wall. It's just such a vivid memory. It left such an impression upon his memory that he remembered every single aspect. You know, with the sand, you know, how if you get, like if you're at a beach or something or you have a lake and you dig your feet down in the sand where it's cool, you know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah.

He said there was fresh sand raked upon that leg where it was bleeding out at. I guess just kind of ease the fever that's in it or I don't know if the creature was cut by something or bit by something, but he said it may have had a fever in that

leg and that sand was cooling and making it feel better. Yeah, that's a fascinating account he shared with you, and I might have missed it. Did he ever see the face? No. It was laying, imagine a body laying on its right side and you're behind it. What through him was whenever it threw its left arm behind him. You know how like a child, it was laying

there and they'll throw the arm behind them and their palm is open towards you. Yeah. Yeah, that's what he described it. I think it's super cool. The cops actually shared, you know, with each other about their encounters. I know a few cops are good guys. And, you know, most cops are good people. You always have your bad bunch, but most cops are good people. And, but the thing with cops, though, it reminds me a lot of being in a house full of, you know, like the way I grew up with so many brothers. You know, if you say anything like that, they're looking for an opportunity to haze you, tease you, tease you, break your ball.

go after you. And it's cool that they, you know, this guy's like, hey, this happened to me as well. And I know there's another one we're going to get to. I want to go back to what you and that training officer saw that day. I mean, that is something, I can see why it's burned in your memory. Was that the weirdest thing you'd ever seen up until that point in your life? Paranormal, I guess, yes. I've seen some pretty weird stuff.

Like I said, I've hunted a fish almost all over the southern half of the United States and on the West Coast, and I've seen a lot of cool things, you know, but nothing, you know, nothing of that nature in the wild, you know, I've ever seen anything like that. And it was probably, it's one of those things that that leaves an imprint upon your memory. You know, like your first kiss or your first. first car or your first dog or it's it leaves a not only a imprint on your memory but a it leaves a imprint on your heart what do you uh what do you mean by that john i'll tell you what i mean by that i was born and i was raised in the woods you know i'm not saying i was born you know

in a cabin doesn't like that but I've hunted in woods where the ferns are almost big as a car in northern California, you know, and I've fished in the Gulf of Mexico and in Florida, and I remember all that. But whenever you're an avid woodsman and a fisherman and a lover of the outdoors and a conservationist, like my daddy told me how to be and you love outdoors, you don't help, but. think on things. Here I am. I'm 45 years old.

I'm 6 foot tall and 310 pounds. And I go to the gym four days a week. I don't care what there is in the woods. But whenever it starts getting dark and you're in a deer stand or you're a duck blind or you're, you know, you're turkey hunting. You know, and you're out there by yourself, you can't help but imagine all the things that you're feeling low with of nature. has a dark side to it like what me and that senior officer found that morning. There's a darkness that's there, that Mother Nature, Mother Nature, you know, has this grandeur from the, from the Teton's and the Smoky Mountains

and Mount St. Helens, all this beautiful thing that God has given us, and Mother Nature has given us. It turns your view of this beautiful world or this beautiful nature. It turns your view in a way that, like I said, that there's something out there, that's bigger and badder than you are. Yeah, I understand definitely what you mean, John. And I think most people go through that after an encounter. If you do go back into the woods, you're definitely on high alert.

And, you know, I felt that way. And it's hard, I guess, for men or maybe just me to admit I was terrified. You know, I went back up where I had my encounter. Tony's doing a film. And it's not just me in it. I told him no one was going to watch just a movie with me. But he has encounters from the Pacific Northwest. And when we went up there, I mean, I was not happy about being there.

Tony's like, you look terrified. I'm like, oh, no, I'm not. I was. But I just didn't want, you know, you're on high alert, I guess. I understand exactly where you're coming from. And it does kind of strip the love that you have for fishing, hunting, camping. because you know there's other things out there for sure. Tell me about the encounter, the last one that the other law enforcement officer shared with you.

An old man, he was a Cajun man. And we used to hunt in the Chaffalai Spillway, which is the spillway or what you call the Morganza Basin, which is in south central Louisiana and Puente Pair Parish. And what it is, it's a low-level wetland. And if the Chalfly River is to

overflow, they turn the locks and that open it into what's called the Morgansal Basin. We have a levy system down here and that's, it turns water out where it won't pour into a farmland and cattle country and stuff. People raise beef cattle and raised cotton and soil beans that part of the country down there and this old man

i was talking about we used to hunt in this morganza spillway or the chaffly basin this old man worked for the uh civilian conservation corps he lied by his age to get to go to work uh for the c c c c c is you know what the c cc is you know and one of their jobs was build a a flood control structure in that part of the country, which is like levees and such, you know, he comes from a, I mean, a really poor family. And he lied about his age to get to go to work. He started out building levees and such as that, you know, and he run a dozer. And back in, dozers didn't have cabs on or ROP, a roP, a roller protective structure on.

That's how long ago it was. but he said they'd go to work and early in the morning he'd ride out there and back the truck and get out and they'd go get on them dogers and they'd go to work

or track hoos or whatever but them old dozers and old quipin was made by Caterpillar and John Deere if you didn't fill up the diesel

tanks on them before you left overnight. It has something to do with, I guess, the sweating of the fuel tanks or whatever. If you didn't completely fill them up with diesel fuel, they'd sweat, but sweat on the inside and you'd have water mixed with your diesel. Anyhow, he said they had diesel barrels there, and there was on a cart, like a hand cart or a dolly, whatever, and they kind of rolled them up there with a fellow hop off his tractor where he's going to park it at,

and he'd run that pump and fill up him on tractor tank and they'd do that for they left in the time anyhow they were working and they'd shut down about dinner about lunch and they'd eat little something. They did this one day and something was screaming and squalling and raising all kinds of hail down there blowing back down in the swamp and that Morgan's a basin. I'm sorry that Morgan's spillway. It's all hardwood timber down there. bunch of cypress and you know pin oak red oak blackjack and other kinds of trees and they really did not know what it was or they get through eating lunch well they'd throw the paper and the fire had a fire belt there and they sling out the coffee well they'd go back to work

working you know till right at dark they had uh go on and go back to work well they'd shut down about dark or that philippine fuel thanks and all the dozers and and traiq back goes and such would be turned off, shut off when the wind just ran out, I'd hear that squalling and screaming and beating and banging out in that swamp. And they didn't know what it was, but after a few days, they made sure not to be the, you know, every one of them made sure not to be the last man there, you know, in case whatever was raising all kinds of hell out in that swamp was going to come to get them, come out to where there was that.

Like I said, it was about dark and there's all left. Well, they come back that next morning. and it was them big green diesel drums were all knocked over and the empty ones were stomp down in beat beat plum down uh bit dented in it was a bunch of big tracks core that old man around that equipment and um around them busted i'm sorry not busted but then and tipped over a 50 gallon diesel drums and uh there was blood like someone had beat on the back of them dozers and on the tracks like it had blood on and every blood drops the stuff on the dirt and dry soil and stuff around that equipment but then they never didn't know what it was that that didn't and they never didn't know what that noise was coming back down in them in bottoms And the story come up whenever we're sitting around a fire many years later after his, you know, his experience.

We were just talking about woods, boogers and stuff like that, you know. And he brought it up and was talking to us and told us about it. And this man was a very well-respected member of the community down there in Morganza. And this little town where he was from was called Morganza. he was you never seen him without a shirt tucked in and clean shaving and he was one of them old school kind of old man he know what I mean he probably had a million dollars in the bank but you couldn't tell looking at him he was just a very humble man but he told us uh fellas about it whenever we was sitting around a fire down our camping and hunting and what got me is whenever he had,

whenever he spoke to us about his experience as a teenager or I don't know how old he was. Like I said, he lied to get hired on where he could support, you know, his mom and dad bring some money in. He had that off in the distance kind of stare whenever he told us about it. And that's,

I don't know if that's synonymous with people who have had, now I have PTSD and I, you know, I have friends who have had it in law enforcement and also in working as paramedics and working as EMTs and, you know, nurses and people who've been at war. Whenever they speak something from the heart or speak something from imprinted memory, that is always the look. that these people, man or woman, in my opinion, and my observation that they've had. And that's kind of the ways, like when I interview people after an incident, that's one of the telltale signs of someone telling the truth or I don't know. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's a very compelling account, John.

And, you know, I think it goes on more than you might think. I remember a couple of years ago, a guy had sent me pictures. He was part of this lumber company, and they had a dozer on the site. And it was a small dozer, but you're still talking 30, 40,000 pounds, and it had been flipped on its side. And it looked like someone had destroyed the place, and there was tracks there. He asked me not to post him because I think he was worried about losing his job. And I'm a man on my word. I'm not going to post something, you know, if it's going to cause someone a negative impact from that.

But, you know, even on this situation, you know, you start going into like a 55-gallon drum of diesel. That thing's got away 400, 450 pounds. No man's going to knock those around and stomp on them. No. I mean, I doubt there's any creature that can bash one down unless it was empty. And I'm not talking about stomped it down from top to bottom. I'm talking about if he's laying on its side. Stomp would have beat it down.

But he just, like I said, that old man had that had that stare, you know, that I've observed, you know, interviewing and questioning and talking to people over the past 20 years. And like I said, that's one of my telltale ways of knowing someone telling the truth about something. That glassy-eyed kind of way back, let me get into this moment where I can tell you kind of incident. Yeah, when you're recalling an encounter, it really does. take you back to that moment and you're reliving that moment. I know exactly what you mean, John. And I really appreciate you sharing. I know both those men are gone, not with us anymore. May they rest in peace. But I really appreciate you sharing what happened to them. And I think it's cool that, you know, three cops talking about Bigfoot encounters. I think it's very cool.

You know, going back to that very first encounter, I mean, you got a really good look at the saying and had a chance to really observe it. I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? And obviously there's no wrong answer because no one knows, but I want to know your thoughts, John. What do you think Sasquatch is?

I don't know, but I'll tell you this. Whenever you're in the woods and it's getting dark, it don't matter. And you're in the woods by yourself and that cold wind hits you in the back And you're sitting there with a 308 or a 7 mag or 30 off 6, you know, and you start looking in the thicket. And you hear something. And if you done had experience like I had in these other men, you're hoping it's a deer.

You're hoping that's what it is. I don't know what this creature is. I don't know if it's a man. I don't know if it's a past version of man or like. a in quotes missing link I don't know but it's it's something there that that mother nature has put there to remind us that that we aren't alone I'll put it to you like this there is still parts of this country United States and Canada that has never been seen by a white man before you know there's still mystery out there there's

still things that we're discovering. There's still things that we're seeing for the first time. I believe that it's a creature, and I believe it's a creature that doesn't want to be found. I believe it's a creature who detests man

for how destructive and how greedy we are. You know, for land and for water and for oil and for everything. It doesn't want anything to do with us. It wants to live, and it's a perfect piece of world.

world where there's no war, where there's no violence, where there's no rape, there's no robbery, there's no drugs. I don't know, and I'll tell you this, I don't know what it is, but it doesn't want anything to do with us. Even though we keep trying to find it,

it's going to go deeper in the forest. It's going to go deeper in the mountains. It's going to go deeper in the woods. It's going to get away from us. The more that we encroach on it, and the more we encroach on it, the more experiences people are going to have. but the more we look for it, the harder it is we're going to find it.

And I think that's a cruel thing, but I also think it's a beautiful thing because it's out there. It's just one of the last mysteries that there is. Yeah, and I appreciate your answer, John. You know, I know it's really hard to say whether it's an animal, whether it's closer to us. In a lot of situations, their behavior is very much. animal-like. In other situations, it to me comes across very human-like. Something like a human would do, kind of stop and think about things. You know, animals generally aren't like that. They're on or off. You know, if a cougar's going to come for you, it's going to come for you.

There's no if-ands or buts about it. I want to ask you, though, not really knowing exactly what it is, would you consider it a normal animal? Nothing more strange. about it than a bear. It's just as normal as a bear. I do believe it's natural as a bear. I believe that it's an animal, but it's just as elusive as, you know, the snow leopard or another animal that, you know, we can't see as much as we would like to. But the more we encroach on it, the more mysterious it's going to be. But yes, I believe it's an animal. Does it look like a human being? No, it doesn't look like a human being. No, it doesn't look like human being. Does it walk on two legs like a human being? Yes, it walks on two legs.

You know, does it have opposable thumbs? Yes, it has opposable thumbs, but it's not human. No. I mean, there's Native American drawings from 3,000 years ago, you know, not only in North America, but also in Eastern Europe, also in China, you know, of creatures that resemble. what we have. Yeah, and that's a fair answer. And you're right. I mean, the Native Americans have drawings of them, and they seem like they've been on this planet for a long time, and a lot of people have been seeing them.

So I respect the way you feel for sure. Last question I want to ask you, if you had the chance, would you want to see another one? I would really love to see one again. I don't know that if I would, want to be alone or not when I've seen one. In a way, I do.

I wish I could see another by myself where it would be something that I would remember that I'm one of the few that I was blessed to see this, you know, but also in a way I'd like someone else also to see it while I'm there. So it's a two-sided coin, you know what I mean? Yeah, I understand. And, you know, even people who have terrifying encounters, I'll ask him, you know, would you ever want to see another one? And I can tell you 95% of the time, the answer is yes. And I think the answer is yes, because during an encounter, like all your, you have all your emotions going off at once.

And everything's kind of a blur. And your brain's like, you know, everything's an overdrive. And it's fear, it's confusion. it's all hitting you at once. And I think there's that moment after someone's had an encounter when they go, gosh, if I could just go back and slow that moment down for a moment and be more present instead of, you know, terrified and just wanting you to get the hell out of there, I definitely understand the way you feel.

It's almost like tunnel vision. if you've been in a situation that you knew was extremely dangerous, everything clouds around your sight, like I said, looking down a tunnel. Everything else is, you know, second to what's you're looking at ahead of you. You know, and you have all these feelings of not only fear, but you also have feelings of emotion. you have feelings of how am I going to deal with this? And I don't know.

It's crazy. Yeah, it's a mystery for sure. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share what happened to you and share the memory of your friends. You know, I enjoyed hearing their encounters as well. And it's one of those sayings. There's many reports of them eating Roadkill on the side of the road. but it's kind of cool to have two police officers, you know, 12, 15 yards away watching this thing

and the attitude it had, you know, like a troll under a bridge, don't come across my bridge, it could care less that you were there, which is kind of how they behave. But thank you again, John, for coming on. I really enjoyed chatting with you. Well, I enjoyed myself. I'm a big fan of the show, and I appreciate you listening to the experiences that me and a couple close friends have had with this mystery.

Thanks, John. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows.

Until next time, everyone.