Sasquatch Chronicles - SCEP:182 A Paramedic's Encounter

Episode Date: January 10, 2016

Bob Garrett returns and speaks with the witness and gives us his feedback. Tonight we speak to Joe who had an encounter in East Texas. He wrote to me a few weeks back and here is what he wrote: "Wes I'm a Paramedic on the coastal bend area in east tx and I discovered your show about 7 months ago when one of these things started vocalizing at us and throwing rocks and large limbs at our unit at about 345 am when our ambulance got a flat on a country road after transporting a patient to his residence way out in the country,my partner and other first responders have ran into these things in the past but I would always laugh it off until that night,Wes this thing came out of the woods and charged our ambulance.my partner accidentally switched on our siren and then we heard large foot falls then a huge rock hit the side of the unit followed by a large log it screamed at us after that we both got in the unit and sat for about 5 minutes I told my partner to shut everything off except the flood light when he did that he hit the code 3 lights because his hands wouldn't stop shaking I then shut them off immediately when I turned to face the woods it was already standing about 30 ft away curly up its mouth at us me and my partner couldn't move for about the first 5 seconds and then our first responders auto pilot must off kicked in,we started to lock the doors and advised central that to contact P.D. the thing must not off liked the fact we were moving around in there and that's when he charged the unit the ambulance ended rocking almost to one side I don't want people to think we're crazy or lose my job but I've had nightmares ever since and I hate taking 911 calls in the country now or transfers." 

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one, one. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one in the damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister way. You know, the look it was given.

What were you're putting? The mouse, sir? That son of a bitch is about 60 foot. Sir? Yes, I'm working right heading. Saskwatra on a place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. To the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you this evening. I'm going to be talking to Joseph, who's a paramedic out in Texas, and had a pretty scary encounter out there. He had a flat tire in the middle of the night when his ambulance broke down, and he ran into these creatures. and it's a really interesting encounter, especially since Joseph didn't really believe in these creatures prior to his encounter. And being a paramedic, you know, the guy's seen, I would imagine, some pretty bad things on the job and then running into this thing.

So look for that here in a moment. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email, Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And I want to welcome two guests tonight. We got Bob Garrett coming back. Bob, thanks for coming on tonight. I really do appreciate you being here. Oh, you're welcome, Wes. I really do enjoy coming on the show.

And we have a very special guest. I know Joseph, he's a paramedic out there in Texas. And, God, I got to tell you, Joseph, when I read the encounter, I couldn't wait to talk with you. I honestly couldn't wait to talk with you. And, you know, I called Bob, and I was like, hey, Bob, you got to hear this one. And Bob was gracious enough to come on and share his thoughts on the encounter.

But if you would, kind of start from the beginning. Just kind of tell us what you were out doing and then walk us right into the encounter. And then, Bob, you're welcome to ask away. My home is your home. So feel free to ask questions. And then when we get done with the encounter, Joseph, if you want to ask Bob, any questions, you know, feel free to. Sure, sure. First and foremost, I just want to say, I'm definitely, definitely happy that Bob is here.

And Wes, thank you for having me on the show. Well, let me just get right into it, I guess. Let me give a little statement of myself, I guess, so the audience can get to know who I am. I am a emergency paramedic. I work in the coastal region, and we cover all that region from South Texas to east Texas to every part of Texas. So anyhow, that night, we're winding down a 24-hour shift. And with our company, that shift consists of 911 calls and transfers to different hospitals around Texas.

So after about our eighth call, we got called out to do a transfer to the Houston area of a patient. We finish up that transfer, and we wouldn't know out to escape the D.R. because now we caught a transfer for a patient going to residence. So that happens from time to time, especially with the EMS. You'll catch a patient going to a resident. Me and my partner took where we took the patient in the back of the unit, got our bottles, everything we had to do.

I got my patient history. My partner jumped in the front, and he punched into his phone, the residence of his patient. So nine times of ten, taking a patient to the residence shouldn't take more than three, four hours stops sometimes, you know, because Texas is such a large piece of land. Texas is huge, but there's no busy highways out in the country, which is where this patient lived. And he was an older gentleman, nice gentleman. Anyhow, it took the patient to the residence.

It's on the way back when all this started to happen. Now, to set the atmosphere, it's around 3.30 a.m., when my partner admitted to me that, he had taken a wrong turn. Because as the paramedic, lead paramedically depend on our drivers and also other medics as well, usually to know more of the routes and locations. But I can't tell you this was in the East Texas area and the outskirts of the humble area. I would need to talk to my partner to get a more definitive location.

And it was off, I believe the initial highway we took was 59. we had taken a paved road. I do remember we took a dirt road and it led to another paved road that was going down one way and there was woods on each side. Within that route, we got a fly tire,

which was a surprise to me because that unit was a brand new unit with brand new tires, but it happened. So you both get out of the unit. My partner reaches over to my end of the unit I was already out of the unit.

I was riding a cigarette. And he set off the siren, reaching for the fire sight. So I'm like, okay, I shut it off. Now, in those units, we have a 2-10 jack that would lift the unit up with that 2-10 jack, and we'll make an attempt. Dispatch was already advised.

We advised dispatch since it happened without a doubt. And we also contacted the supervisor and told them, hey, we're in this location. This is what this is going on. And we got a fight. We're going to attempt to go out. ahead and pump up the tire, or we have a spur tire, rather, put the spare tire on. We're having an issue with one of the bolts.

During that, the whole process were working, we heard what sounded like footfold, bipedal footfalls. I would have to say if I had to make a guess within the two, two and a half hour range. And at first, when we're hearing it, it was so faint that we didn't even will make an issue of it. Our goal was trying to get out of here, so we get back to the station, clock out, go home, work higher. So again, it's a 24-hour shift. And if you guys ever worked a shift like that, if we want to go home.

After a while, it was my turn to give it a shot for the tire, and that's when the footfalls got a little bit louder, a little bit louder. The only thing I can liken it to would be maybe when it got pretty close, the way he kind of felt about how the girth and how large it was would be like the footfalls of an elephant maybe. I was already been down, squatting down

on the end of the boat when it got that close. And he seemed like it did it quickly. Because we went there for about less than 10 minutes when it let out this screen that I can only describe as a gorilla's bark mixed with a lion.

times 50. I felt this thing when it's graeme. Initially, I felt every organ in my body vibrates. Imagine your liver vibrating at TV. That's how much the sound it made. That's when we got scared. I got scared. I'm not afraid to admit it. We got back in the unit. He was shaking. I was shaking. I told him to turn everything off except the floodlights. In that, his hands were shaking so much, he got off the coat 3-0,000, which is when you go to a 911 coal, you see the red and white and blue lights. He let off those. I shut them off. In the process, shut him off, I felt like there was something menacing was at my side of the window.

Because he jumped in the driver's side. I jumped in the passenger side. But it's 3.45 a.m. Now it's probably reaching almost a 4 o'clock hour during this, and it was reaching its climax. When I turned around and what I saw distinctly was a monster standing there. And this thing had already thrown, when during the, I forgot them, I'm sorry,

when this thing scramed at us, when this thing scramed at us and we felt to go through our body, it had thrown something at the unit. When my partner jumped in the passenger seat after that initial vocalization and this thing joined, the initial rock, he jumped on his seat, and as soon as he shut his door,

something else at that door. He looked in the mirror. He knew that there was a law and a half-happed to say in circumference. There was about eight inches in circumference, and it was a wide part of a tree. Sorry, guys. Just getting into this gets me a little bit.

You're good. It brings me back and I don't like to be having a chance to, anyway, the sting when I turned around was staring at me. I was staring at it. If I had to describe it, it would be what you imagine, Shapiro, only longer arms, buffed out, hair was about two inches long, jet black, looked like a chimp.

If I had described the facial features, They had a hoodie nose, but it was punched in, like Mike Tyson said it a couple of times, or Evander Holofield had punched some crap under that nose. Yeah. Red eyes. I would never forget the eyes. It's opening its mouth at me, trying with some lips and snapping its shawls, moving it from side to side. Now, let me tell you guys something.

I was brought up a 911 paramedic. I've gone to how much every scene you could think to us. I'm talking PD calls for traumatic wives. A lot of people couldn't handle that and keep their core. And then at the same time start delegating medical treatment, let a little cardiac arrest, the whole family is watching. I can keep my cool. And I credit myself for keeping my cool, but in the average medicine.

But when I saw that thing, the lack of a better term, and that's why I do feel anger towards these things. This humanoid thing that's something out there, I felt like it took my manhood. I felt like, I was, and you are scared, and when you truly are, you are going to freeze. I don't care if you're a tough guy or what you say you've done or what you have done. And something like that, when you're trying to figure out what it is, and you can't, you're going to freeze. So you're looking at this thing from the inside of the truck, and you see it.

What is the creature doing? It's shifting its weight from side to side. Hands daily not too much movement. I would have to say every time it should just wait, its hands would swing, maybe a quarter of an inch, something like that. It was moving. The whole body was in the movement. At the same time, those turnips, its lips up.

I would notice, the thing I noticed the most about this creature, Wes and Bob, it looked like it had lived a difficult existence. It looked like it was hungry. it looked like I don't know if we let off the sign because I've had seven months to think about this and this happened

probably mid-May and thinking about this I'm thinking that maybe we interrupted a bit for meeting we maybe or maybe even ourselves once we acknowledge our presence we're on the menu

as West would put it five seconds I'm frozen I snap out of it. I snap out of it. It's like my most responder character kicked in.

And when I snap out of it, I snapped out of it. I started telling my partner to get on the radio and I started locking the doors. I think that that thing didn't like that. I don't think it liked the fact that I think it felt disrespected or something. Because within seconds after I stopped out of it because I'm thinking about our lives,

all of a sudden you felt a big, and hit the side of the unit. And we felt ourselves being elevated within the unit. And I landed on my partner's side. He's his poor body squished against his window, and we're thinking we're going to go over. My heart's in their throat. I think my heart rate probably was at $1.20, easy,

maybe a little bit higher, man. In fact, what this was going on. You let go, the truck landed safely on its base. The tire popped the hell off. Then the whole, I don't have it. Damage of that. the damage to the cabinet and it caused, it cracked the whole box, all the internal damage. Everything in the truck was on the crits and not working efficiently.

This was, of course, everything I discovered more in detail after it happened. When we landed directly on our tires, I ended up being halfway running my feet kind of like propping myself up and I was even afraid. I know I was bruised up from all that, but I was. was so scared still that once we landed, I stayed in whatever position. God granted me through the forces of gravity, whatever position I was in. I just stayed in it. And I do remember that I just kept my eyes facing down because what this thing did was,

Bob, or these things started making a freaking racket, kind of like they were celebrating the fact that this one has the balls to hit our unit, loud, making a racket. When you say a racket, what do you mean by a racket? Like, what were they? Branch is being broken, more screams, more roars, uh, uh, uh, uh, almost, I would say almost like a gorilla chimp, uh, uh, pressing some of the parts,

and then you all of a sudden, uh, you would get this scream. Uh, and that, and then branches being, uh, broken all around it. around us, we were surrounded. And if you or anybody has ever been in anything that, were you almost getting to an accident, and then all of a sudden things start screaming at you, I'm sorry, I don't know anybody that's going to be like, hey, you know, let me jump out of this thing.

What's going on here? No. Yeah, I don't blame you. I would have stayed in there, too. Yes. What they wanted you to do was get out. that's what they wanted you to do because, yes, you probably were on the menu.

You probably weren't at first, but they were probably going to cross right in there and y'all had your bad luck to have the bad tire. And once y'all got out, they probably decided that they were going to put y'all on the menu. These that you're describing are quite versatile. and I would imagine what they're trying to do, what they were trying to do was they were trying to get you out of the truck. Because for some reason, you know, sometimes people will actually jump out and run to try to get a situation.

And that's when you're taken down. Right. So you did the right thing by staying in sight. side. And, yeah, they're pretty powerful. They could have turned that thing over if they wanted to. I agree. I agree.

No, thank you, Bob. I mean, it's funny you say this because I kind of felt like we're a Tannisade, you know, like we're literally in the can and he felt that way. Because the way the thing was looking at me and slapping and faced at me, it wanted it. I got kids, you know.

I felt they wanted to take a chunk of my, Talked of my freaking arm off. And every cell in my body, I felt, that's what I say to people. I haven't talked about this to too many people, my wife, two other coworkers I've worked with for many, many years. I didn't feel like a human being with a single stand. I mean, I felt like a, I was a roast. If you understand. When the creature first stepped out, what was it?

it doing when you looked at it the flood lights are on and you're sitting and looking at this saying it was covering its eyes from the lights the lights had the crow through lights and it snapped in the shawl every couple seconds and it did it had a black mouse uh canines not really really pronounced but pronounced enough where you get to point what they are i remember if any things are screaming at us and we landed on my face and i my only visual could be the middle counsel the truck, which I could see my computer, and I can see my partner's fingernails digging deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and can see every time you can start to work up on the rower.

I had a question for Bob as possible. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course. Bob, you don't think by chance that these things could recognize me or not. maybe anything, they have any recall

with people by chance because it gets to the point where, and also, do you think the siren had any bearing initially?

Sorry. The sound, yeah, would, I didn't quite catch all that. I'm sorry you broke up, but I think you're asking me did the sound

annoy them? Is that what you're, Is that basically what you're saying? Yeah, the sound, and if these things maybe have any recall with people they fuck with, for lack of the better term, sorry. Yeah, the sound, I'm quite sure if you had your siren on, yeah, they didn't like that at all. And I'm sure they didn't like those likes either. And one thing, it can make them angry bottom. to have that loud noise going like that.

I mean, you know, it puts a shiver up my spine, too. But as far as you were talking about the bright light that was shining in their eyes or shining in this one's eyes, that's a good thing, as a matter of fact. That might have given you our own. giving them a, you know, back off signal. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, because they don't like that bright light at night.

And that's what I try to always tell everybody. Always, you know, if you're out in the field, always keep a floodlight with you. Because you put that in their eyes, they do not like that. And nine times out of ten, they'll stop. You know, that stops you. But however, like you said, showing their teeth and doing all that screaming and everything is, that's pretty versatile action of behavior. And I think, honestly, I think that y'all are very lucky that they didn't come through your windshield or they didn't come through the door.

because, you know, a black bear, even a black bear can pull a door right off. Well, they're massive. These ain't a massive. Even though they're streamlined, the ones that you're talking about here, they can pull your door off. Oh, yeah. They have a superhuman strength. I mean, they can literally pull your door off. I've seen them roll big boulders over like an old grid to eat moss that are underneath of it.

that fright light is probably what saved your life, I would imagine, because, yes, you were on the menu. After y'all stopped and after y'all got out, and everything that went on, y'all were definitely on the menu. Y'all were easy take, easy prey. Yeah, I agree with you because that's exactly how it projected itself towards us. I know in hindsight I also thought all the IVs you've been starting all day and all the blood content and their hazards in the back at those things quite small in blood too. The other question he's asking, Bob, I think what Joseph was asking was, if these sayings, would they recognize him if he's back in the area? Right, right.

They will recognize the ambulance, and if you get out of your, if you get out of your ambulance, they may recognize. your sin if it's the same ones. I have known people who, I mean, I'm not trying to scare you, and this wouldn't happen to you, but I have known people who live in the areas that have gone out and, you know, messed around with these things, put food out and didn't put the food out, you know, like they should have, and this thing and that thing. And they've actually followed people, you know, a mile, two miles to their homes. So they would know you, yeah. They have long memories from what I, from what I, uh,

yeah, yeah, I don't know what I've observed. Right. Bob, I ask you, and I'm sorry to interrupt, I ask you because, um, I put in for a transfer from that area. It was getting to the point. I was getting nightmares every night. I was waking up in the, in the unit and the ambulance. I'll turn my head in its face was right there at the glass.

The recurring dream, the growl also. I'm hearing it from time to time. I'll be working on a report, late hours in the unit. I'm in the populated area, but at night with the windows up and I'll hear the growl. And it's send my freaking my spine. I can throw it up and down my spine. I never wanted to look when we took those calls out in the country, Bob. I never wanted to look after that.

This is post that what happened to us that night. I never wanted to look to either side of the window when it would be a route in the country road. I just didn't want to look at the woods, you know. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. This isn't going to leave you very soon, believe me. This is going to stay with you. It has with me. it has with my sons.

You know, we've had situations where we still that were pretty bad and we still dream about it. We still have nightmares about it. I know this is going to, this, I don't feel it's never going to leave. Because once, you know what you realize

that there's a, because I was the type of guy, this was by the big point of whatever, it's a joke. And I was, I never, I didn't, I wasn't a believer. I, this is what made me. a believer. This is because it happened to be. And I don't know if the rest of society that realizes, if there's a humanoid type

creature living in the outskirts in the trenches of Texas, and this is something that obviously has enough intelligence to keep itself hidden, God knows what else could be out there. Well, you know, that's true.

And the thing about it is is that I hate to tell you this, but you just came to the realization that there's real monsters in this world. Yeah.

And they're not as far they're not as far off the road as you think they are. No way. So for the listeners out there, I wanted to kind of wrap up the story. So you, you're in the thing, you're in the

ambulance, and they're vocalizing how did you eventually get out of there? Oh, we didn't leave the ambulance. The vocalizing all the racket eventually ended. The supervisor started reaching my partner in me on the cell phone. They gave him a better definitive location where we're at. He showed up with another unit lights blaring.

Once he approached me and they saw the damage, right away, he thought that we had crashed into something or what you got to the tree or whatever. And I took him to the side and I explained to him what happened. He looked at me like I was crazy, and they suspended me for a week. So, needed to say, for, I guess, insurance purposes, I have to later say to other people was a bear. So that's for that in. I brought that.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. I was just curious. The supervisor did not. notice anything? Oh, no. I think the supervisor knew very well

in the hand would have happened. This guy had been working this area for 25 years. Ah, okay. Yeah.

And he just projected towards me as if, you know what, dude, I'm going to come off and if you pursue this,

I'm going to tell the, you're nuts, this is a bear, and that's all. Because I think if Moore's first responders came out,

especially the ones the work in the outskirts, it would be a major issue, and there would be a reaction. Yeah. So I was basically told to shut the hell off about it. I'm thinking of risk just having this interview, but after this had happened to me, I researched everything knew I could, and your show came out, and I listened to your encounter, Woody, and Bob's name came out, and, couldn't you, I learned about Bob first, and then I realized you guys would communicate.

But of everything out there, you're the only ones that came up genuine for me to even take the chance. I appreciate that, man. I appreciate that very much. You know, it's a scary, you know, I kind of, I'm with Bob. I kind of think they were trying to get you out of that car for whatever reason. I think, and Bob kind of made a good point earlier when him and I were talking, and I don't know if Bob cut up on it, but it made me really stop and think. You know, there's a lot of missing people out there, and they'll find their cars, but it's like the person vanished.

The door's open, and it's like the person vanished. And it makes you wonder, you know, could have been a similar type of situation you were in. You know, if you guys would have ran, I think they would have ran you down. Yeah, you know, from the fence, I think about it, I tell myself, did I use control? And, you know, with Bob's reassurance, and some of the stuff you told me about when we spoke before we did the show, about what happened with those hardcore biker guys I kind of felt a little bit better

because I kind of felt like it's taking me as far as me because you've got to be an awful male to do first responder work you have to be because you have to take control

and it felt like it was taking some of that away from me and I had a question for Bob though real quick West yeah go ahead when they threw the stones at us initially

and they scramed at us were they trying to you feel were they trying to kill us or were they trying to scare us Initially, they were trying to make you run. It's like a predator. They're predators.

They're apex predators, and they want you to run. If you run, they will chase you, and they will take you. They will run you for as long as they can until the sun is over with, and then they will take you. And once they take you, they'll break your bones. Yeah, probably control of That's what they were trying to do That's exactly what they were trying to do

What you to run They weren't trying to Now this isn't a situation Wes where You know like with me and you When they were trying to get us to back off This is a situation where This man's life was in total danger

And they were trying to get him to run They wanted them to run and, you know, so they could take them. These guys are lucky to be here right now. Yeah, I mean, I don't mean to scare you, but I've seen these situations before and have come up across them before. And this is what they do.

Y'all were out there on a dark road. you know, we're broke down. This is right up their alley, and they were right there. If you, I think we're around, you're probably absolutely right the same time. We're trained instinctively, instinctively, get back in our unit, we're trained instinctively to advise us to communicate. Once it initially happened, the radio wasn't anymore, so we had a dependent on phones, and the phones are spotty with those.

where it's a reception out there. So it'll be down to the point where I was even thinking at one point there. These things are just twined with us and they're eventually. But we were probably there after the wheel landed and we were there in fear, continued for about another, a total 45 minutes before that the Superbarians showed up. And I do feel that they were there the whole time. And when the other paramedics and EMS crew showed up, I think that they took off. I don't think they, uh, I don't think they like that.

I felt they were there the whole time, probably, and then once in a sudden as everybody else arrived, I felt they took off because, um, they're probably, they're waiting for us to step out of the vehicle. Is it safe now? Is it safe now? Uh, and then they would have taken, but I know my partner, because I wasn't my, I wasn't, I got them, Joe, and I was working with a hell of a kid. He was 22 years old, this first year in EMS, and imagine how he's going to fill the, my regular partner had called him six. I work with this guy. And I feel sorry for him a lot because I'm thinking, wow, it's first hearing of EMS and he's attacked by a freaking monster, man. We almost die.

How does she feel about the whole thing? I don't want to say denial, but he doesn't even bring it up. Just for me to try to communicate him earlier today, it was like pulling teeth just to help me get the location for y'all. And he was just, you don't want to say a word. but eventually you talk a little bit about it. No, he breaks down crying, man. He breaks down crying. He could.

He's no longer there. Well, you know, I don't blame him because I've been in situations that I didn't think I was going to get out of. And it's still with me, and it's still going to stay with you guys. But I wish there was some way that, you know, we could help your partner or something. It's going to take a while for, you know, for him to relax and settle and settle that down. It's going to be in your dreams. This is, like I said, you guys just realized that there are real monsters in the world.

You know, this got me thinking about the bikers. Remember the bikers down there in Texas? And what pisses these, why did the Sasquatch get so pissed when these guys go down the road. And if you think about it, a lot of noise, I mean, I had bikers drive up and down on the road by my place, and it rattles the windows, and it just kind of irritates me when I hear them drive up and down. And I would imagine these guys turning on the Code 3 lights, the sirens, no wonder why the whole thing was charged, you know, the, the, uh, the ambulance was charged. Yeah, the atmosphere was, uh, was very versatile. And that's probably one.

other reasons why. It's because it started out just like that. You know what, Bob, the aggression is a little bit, like, do you think that's psych issues, man? I mean, these things are, like, suffering out there or something. I mean, I hate to sound like a bad guy to the audience, so I don't think they, I think it should be eliminated of, at least. But, I mean, if they're suffering at this point, I don't know what purpose they help

in far as far as the, the structure, the eco-structure. sure of the forest or whatever, but I don't know what purpose that they serve besides a threat to us. You know, if it's suffering out there, I don't know. I don't, I think they shall be shot. You honestly, someone's going to end up getting killed. Yeah, I think that's happened a few times. One thing I wanted to ask you, Joseph, and you and I had talked about yesterday. You had mentioned, I know it looked kind of like a retarded champ and half human when you were looking at this thing. One thing I wanted to kind of address with Bob, and maybe Bob could answer it. I don't know if he can or not, but you'd mentioned it had patches of fur missing.

Yeah, it had patches of fur throughout its body, and upper torso, and the hind legs. Kind of like a dog would mange sort of, because the skin was a dark, dark gray, almost a dark purplish. It looked like it had some sort of mental difficulty because it did resemble. a child with Down syndrome. Its mouth was black, a hood and nose, but yet flattened. Some neck,

it does have some neck, but the traps on this thing are so huge that if you saw this thing, he would not use it. Oh my God. Like I said, this thing was, the best way to describe this thing would be Shaquille O'Neal,

buffed out, two inch for throughout the body longer. Yeah. Thind, though, around the waist. It thinned out, pretty thin around the waist. And it lived in patches of fur as if, I don't know, it was cancer. I mean, this thing looked, it looked like dread.

The noises it made found of evil, and the thing, it was like, its face just looked evil. Everything about it. Everything about it just looked like we had pissed it off. You wanted to eat us. Jesus Christ, this thing. It's affecting my life in a place. I think of the way.

I wish it would have never happened. Any of it. Any of it. I was better off not knowing of being ignorant. If someone could come into me tomorrow and say, hey, would you want to have ignorance again? I'll say, give me ignorance, please. Yeah. Go ahead, Bob.

What's your take? I was just going to say that, you know, I wanted to tell him that, you know, I believe him 100% because his description of these creatures is almost right on. And also, you know, you were talking about their grayish blue skin. Yes, that's what they do. They have the gray, the ash-colored skin, and sometimes it can't be blue. As far as the hair being missing, it's a possibility that there was. that there is mange there, but it's more likely these type that you're talking about here and what he's talking about, West, they fight among themselves, and they will pull patches of fur or hair out of themselves.

They will eat their own. These things are very volatile. I have no name for them. I don't know. I just, like me and Tim and the guys, you know, we just call them reruns because they're just so damn crazy-looking. And like he said, they do, they have a face that only a mama could love. Oh, my God. They're just scary looking.

And they are. They are. they look like a cross between a chimp and a human being. It didn't cross well. But they will. They'll fight between each other, and they'll fight with the others that are out there, and they will actually kill and eat their own. These things are pretty bad.

You know, I don't go into this too much. As a matter of fact, I've only done it in private. it with you, but I'm telling you, my friend, you're very lucky that y'all got out of there. I mean, I don't want to scare you, like I said, but it just gives me cold chills thinking about what y'all went through, and I don't think y'all are going to be over this for a while. No, the lack of sleep is what gets me, you know, because I lose sleep already sometimes at work, alone having nightmares, waking up in a unit, turning around, seeing his sting at the glass, the roars, the screaming,

the way to sing vocalize. And you're absolutely right, Bob, because this guy was the chief. This guy was the boss, man. From what he displayed to me, like the machismo type of, like, I'm here, you know. Yeah, I could see this guy would try to establish, he's the, he's the aisle from now. Yeah, I think it's interesting, too, your description of it swaying back and forth right before it rushed the ambulance.

And Bob can probably go into this better than I can, but, you know, out of all of the encounters, out of all the people I've spoken to, when they do that swaying back and forth, you're on the edge of getting handed to you at that point. It seems like whenever I've talked to a witness and they describe that swaying from side to side, usually, usually, you're on the edge of getting handed to you at that point. usually right after that is when they usually something gets thrown at them, they get charged, aggression happens right after that point. And I don't know, I mean, what's your take, Bob? It's almost like they've got to work themselves up into to attack. Well, I call it a frenzy. They're going back and forth, back and forth from one foot to the next.

I've seen them beat on themselves. they, I don't know if I can say this on your show, but they'll get real red-faced, and they will even possibly get an erection. And it's blood flow, I know, I found that out later on, you know, talking with Tim and everything because, you know, of what, you know, Tim does for a living. but and also you know I've read a lot about now Jane Goodall and everything

but what they're doing is they're working themselves up to yeah to attack the truck to go through your windshield to pull your pull you out of the vehicle that's what it is.

And the screaming and everything, it's like people say that, you know, these things are half human and half this and half that and everything. Well, I got to tell you, when they get excited, and I'm talking about all of them, when they get excited, it's like standing in the monkey house with the apes, and everything are, and listening to them scream bloody murder. And it's ringing in your ears. You can feel it in your chest.

You can feel it through your body. Things in the pickup truck are shaken. That's how they work. That's how they work themselves up. And you're right. I mean, it makes you think, just like Joseph was saying, after it hit the truck, it was like a celebration. I'm sure that's a wrong term to use.

but, you know, all of them were going off at that point. Yeah, because they're excited. They're excited. Yeah. Bob, I had a quick question for you. You think that they got thrown off because, like, when they saw the unit, the annulus, the lights definitely helped save our lives, but you think maybe also it was thrown off, but what is this thing?

I'm sorry. Wes, he broke up really bad. Can you tell me what he said? Yeah, what he was asking was, do you think the unit had some bearance on what happened? Is that what you're saying, Joseph, you're saying that? Things like, well, what is this thing? It's blaring, you have lights, it's blaring noise. It's, you know, I don't really think it had any bearing on what happened to you.

I do think that the sound and the lights probably didn't help any at all. but what happened to y'all would have happened despite the lights and everything like i said it's probably what backed them off more than anything yeah didn't you say that they were going around and around the vehicle also yeah the way after this thing initially when they're celebrating like oh you know you know because that dude that's what was the off of mail. The big one had to be the awful male. When these things were celebrating after their chiefs did something, or

we're going to eat these guys for sure, whatever was going through their minds, it was like they're surrounding the unit. Different noises and different spots. The vocalizations were hitting the unit. Almost felt like the unit itself from all the screaming and the racket was making initially. And that lasted for about 60 seconds,

man. These things are screaming, screaming, screaming and screaming. Yeah, they were working themselves up. They were working themselves up for the kill. I just want the nightmares and the big rules that I'm hearing to stop, to be honest with you. Is there anything that I can do? I'm asking you, and this takes a lot for me as a parent to add a few, but Bob, you know these things and you've dealt with these things.

What can I do for myself to better me to get some of these things that I'm suffering from for after putting into these things to stop? Do you recommend anything? Well, you know, after one bad time my son and I had, it took us two years to go back out and through the woods. When we did, we actually just went to a campground. It was a primitive campground, but there were other people around. What we did was we kind of reintroduced ourselves. It took my son and I two years.

After the female did her thing to us, it took us about two years to get back out in the woods because we were so traumatized. These things can traumatize you. And we had to basically, we had to reintroduce ourselves into the woods when we were doing it. We just went to, took small walks and things of that sort. Basically, we just basically had to let it run its course out of our system, I guess you might say. Maybe a little PTSD, whatever you know, you might say, but, you know, you just have to let it run its course. That's what it is, that's exactly what's going on with me. I wish that hadn't happened, but I do appreciate you answering my questions about PANWX.

because it took everything I had the matter I felt sometimes, because this thing's scared of the geez. Yeah, and I think that's pretty natural. I think a lot of people go through that feeling. You know, it doesn't matter how big and bad you are. You know, just ask the guys down at the biker bar, and they'll tell you that I'm sure those guys, you know. But, you know, one thing I want to ask you, Joseph,

is prior to the encounter, what was your feeling on these things? I thought it was a joke. I didn't believe in it. I know years ago there was like a Gatorade commercial, and they showed all these things in life, like the climate amount of everything. They were post-fact, and then they showed, I believe, the passion footage, and they got there at a post-proven fake. And I was always, I didn't believe in it.

there's no way something that big, that large, could sustain itself. But they are. That's the crazy part, is that they are. Yes, they are. I think a lot of people see the Patterson film like you and I were talking about, and they assume that's what they're going to run into. And, you know, it's very few witnesses I've talked to that said, yeah, it kind of look like that. You know, most people, it's, they'll say it kind of looks like that,

but a lot of uglier, especially down there in Texas. You know, it's almost completely different than the Patterson film. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a big animal that will hunt on us if they get an opportunity. Now that I've addressed to what Bob has informed me of and U.S., it just strengthens my point of view where I think they should be eliminated of. But I'm thinking it's not going to get eliminated of because if they eliminate them,

that means you have to recognize them. And you have to recognize them, and it's going to cause a bunch of other triple effect. The sad part about it is that the few people that have are into these things genuinely are kind of like a minority now to put on that jacket and say, okay, you know what, these things exist? You all want to call me crazy.

You don't want to believe that's fine. But I know push comes a shove, I'm not going to be so ignorant to the point out of it, in the woods again, I'm going to be eaten. If I ever go in the woods again, I'm going to go with at least a rifle, a handgun, and a shotgun. Yeah, no, I hear you. And you can bet your bottom dollar on it. If I get one of these things in my sight, I don't care if I have to shoot it in the head and be a home bury myself, these things are not good.

If it would have been a woman in the minivan with a fat tire with kids in the back, forget about it. Forget about it. And I'm an experience paramedic, and I've gone through all kinds of situations where I've got to keep my cool where other people lose their heads. Like I said, I credit myself for doing better than the average paramedic, and this thing then shook my foundation to the core. Yeah, it'll do that. You know, it's interesting, the behaviors of these things, and I don't know, Bob, if you want to touch on this, but, you know, I think there is different types, you know, like what Bob was saying, you know, I think you were on the menu,

you know, and sometimes you run into, or people in other parts of the country, country run into these things. And it's a completely different experience. It's a completely different behavior. They aren't so quick-tempered. They aren't so... Right, not the ones down here. They're down here.

They don't play. The ones up north, typically, they don't usually mess with you too much. I think it's whether... Well, you know, for me, I never really had any problems with them up north, you know, except for coming out and staring at me, stealing food and stuff like that. And I do know they have, you know, trouble with them on the reservations and things like that. But until I got down here, I – this was a whole different ball game to you guys.

I mean, it really was for me down here. here when I started experiencing them down here. Whole different whole game. So versatile down here. I think everything's crazy in East Texas. Even the bunny rabbits. Yeah. I think the thing about it is,

is it's the initial shot of fear. When you get stuck with the fear and then you see this thing and your brain's kind of going through this weird phase of what is this thing that's going to eat me? Um, it's viral. I mean, I mean, I'm not, what's the wrong turn. I'm sorry, it's visceral rather. Sorry, it's visceral. It's visual. It's visual. It's, sorry, it's visual. It's, uh, it's a, well, we're glad that you made it out okay. You know, like Bob says, and I tend to agree with everything he just said. I mean, I think that you're on the menu. I think that if you guys would have, and that's another good point. I don't, maybe the audience doesn't pick up. on it. I'm sure they do because I say it a million times. Right. When you're in these situations, don't run. No matter what happens, don't run. The moment you run, you become prey. It's like a cougar. I don't know if you've ever been

stalked by a cougar. I know Bob has, but, you know, with a cougar, as long as you don't run, you're okay. The moment you run, it's, you know, it loves to chase. It wants to chase you down. It wants to, it lives for the chase. Right. And I, like Bob was saying, you know, with these things, I think that's what I wanted you to do. I think it wanted you to get out of the van and what set

them off though in the beginning? I don't know. You know, and I don't know if Bob can answer that better, but I don't know what set them off in the beginning. I guess just being there. Well, you have to assume that they

were there when they had their flat tire. They were probably going to cross the road. They may have been hunting. And when they got out and they were working on their tire, I believe that's when these creatures decided, well, you know, this is an easy meal. And they have probably taken human beings before.

To be honest with you, you know how I feel about it. I think these things have taken human beings many times before. And I think that's, they put themselves on the menu basically by having their bad luck. Yeah. That's what I think. I wouldn't be surprised if these things have even taken people when they had issues like fat tires. And then they go to the next day, they would have just found a vehicle with a door open and a tire track. and across and maybe a little bit of blood.

But if someone were to ask me, someone close, someone I were to trust, hey, man, and in all years it's a paramedic, man, well, war was the hottest, craziest, almost lost your life situation. And if I had to be sincere, then there would be that encounter with this humanoid freak, and there's no word. Yeah. Yeah, and I can't blame you. I can't blame you there.

I mean, I think most people would fill that way. You know, the behaviors are very interesting. Bob and I are going to be working on a show coming up with the Albert Outsman story. Right. And that's an interesting story in itself, but it just shows you the other side of the coin that the behaviors. And coincidentally, that Albert Outsman wasn't in Texas when this happened. So, I mean, it was up north like Bob was saying. But it shows you the unpredictability of these things.

You never know how they're going to react. And you just have to assume. it's not going to be a good reaction, just like you do anything else while you're out in the woods. Yeah, you're right, Wes. I agree. I think that, I think they're kind of like they're so, well, they're indecisive, like when it was shipped in its plate from side to side

and it was maybe indecisors. You know, these things, I don't even think they know how themselves start to react. I think they know, if it's really how they're going to react. I think they know, okay, it runs, I'm going to eat. But I think when it gets the things a little more complicated, they are going to make a decision, but I think it's very chaotic. It's very chaotic in the things they do.

Well, Bob, did you have any more questions? No, I really didn't. Well, yeah, actually I did have one more question. Did you see the eyes? Could you tell me what the eyes looked like since you added on the... Sure, the eye? Yeah. No problem.

Sorry, Bob. Go ahead. Eyes are red. I don't want to say beady, but compared to the rest of its body and its head, they were beady. But they're pronounced enough for you saw two big red eyes. They weren't round saucers or anything like that. They weren't like a chimp's eyes, kind of like chimp's eyes, but yet humanoid. I guess humanoid in the eyebrow line, yet chimp in the whole.

overall paper, you know, red, it was weird, man, it was weird because, you know, if you go by and you see a cat's eye at night, you see it involves some sort of light shining it, but I think these things eyes catch whatever light is around, and they project themselves red, because the red eyes was a heart stopper, you know? Yeah, and then be as ugly as they are.

I mean, the mouth, the black mouth, the teeth, the head, they had him brushed his teeth in a decade. It looked like it lived a hard life. It looked like it lived a hard life, and it didn't care anymore, and one didn't mean us any good. Yeah, it's napping their jaws. That's, uh, that's, uh, that's, uh, aggressive, normal behavior for them. They, they were being aggressive. Well, I know that I'm glad that I'm going to work in that area pretty soon. My transfer came in, so I should be expecting to get. Yeah, I wouldn't want to go down that road either. Yeah, yeah.

Bob, throughout the whole show, I don't mean to scary. I don't mean to scary. You're exactly what you're doing there, Bob. Yeah. For a certain extent. But, well, I don't think they were looking for a hug, so I think Bob's right on with that analysis. Yeah, they were the one out of Jones and stuff over there.

I tell you one thing, I bet you $10, you guys will probably, if you ever have another flat out on a rural road, y'all are probably just going to ruin the tire and the Rambo, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think if that were ever happening, we're not ex-union trucks at all. At all. Yeah, the tire blow out,

You guys will just keep on going. Yeah, we'll ride it to the freaking, the sparks come out on it, man. We'll ride to the wheels fall off literally. I don't think the supervisor would have about it, but hey, man, let him get eaten by one of these things. I wanted to ask you, when you saw the red eyes, was that because of the, what light did you have on it at that time? we had the code three lights and you could still see them with the floodlights as well you can see the lights were always a constant that was all about his eyes sorry were always the constant that's why i threw me off earlier because i know that with basic animals you can

flash a light and the eyes will shine but the thing guys were shiny it's like it was like it was adapted to it or if eyes were red red red red like evil red the shape of its eye was It was red. It wasn't just round, perfect, it was a red eye. And I don't know if that was combined with it being suffering for life or his eyes or bloodshot from stress or whatever. And then in addition, I had its red eyes. I don't know, but it was red. Well, those that you are describing tend to have an orange color in their whites.

and when we have blinded them, it does look red. But it's just, you know, it's shine from the light. Right. Yeah. The floodlights stayed on initially until it hit it, and then they flick it out. I think their eyes are so adapted to what they do is that their whole body has been adapting to how they live. I just know that I come through 5 a.m., I better have a shotgun and rifle on a hang gun, and I'm not going to... They should be shot, all of them, man.

I mean, they're a nuisance. Yeah, I understand how you feel, but they're not all like that. But the thing about it is, is that you never know with these creatures, because just when you think, you understand their mind or understand them some. They turn around and switch everything back up on you. You can be out there for a year. Like I had, you know, prospecting and everything, and they, you know, don't ever bother you.

But then all of a sudden it is like you cross some kind of boundary or something or they just got a sore tooth that day or something. And they're throwing rocks at you and everything else. And you know it's the same one or the same tooth, you know, and you've got to get your butt out of Dodge, you know, because you don't know. You don't know what's going to happen to you. They're just very unpredictable creatures. Yeah, all of them have had a sore tooth that night, man.

I must have caught him on my worst nights or whatever having bad time hunting or whatever or maybe the alpha one was arguing with the other one. I don't know, man. And we rolled up and they're like, screw it all, let's just get these idiots. These guys are unlucky, unfortunate guys.

Yeah, well, I think you guys made the right decision in that whole night, you know, staying inside the vehicle, not freaking out too much. I think most people in that situation would freak out. Right. Although I have seen Bob in some crazy situations. And I think I told you before, Joseph, we had a log thrown at our head. And I couldn't tell if Bob just came from church or if we just had a log thrown at her head, his expression never changed.

Right. And so, but, you know, some people are wired that way. Some people aren't wired to freak out. You know, some people are wired to freak out in those situations. And so you never know. I think you guys did the right thing that night. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate your input with that. Sometimes I double-guess myself. Maybe I can handle it differently, but I feel being a first responder, what I do helps a lot. I don't know if anybody else would have been out there.

The natural instinct is to run, but not us, not that night, not the way it worked out for us. And I'm just happy to be alive, and I'm happy that it's all the way. I'm glad you're all right, too. I'd hate to see you being a statistic out there. Yeah, yeah, that would not have been fun. There is so many.

Yeah, I can imagine. I think there's a bunch out there that aren't spoken about. I think it's probably running rapid out there, but it's not reaching. the mass public. This whole stigma about it, people think it's, I was one of them too, I got to joke,

and it's what happens to me than the different story. Right, right. Well, let me do this, guys. Do you want me to, I can close this out, or do you guys, do you have any more questions, Bob,

Joe? No. I don't know. Any more question. Bob pretty much answered them all, and I answered them to the, for I'm satisfied

with a lot of things I have. I appreciate that, Bob. well you're more than welcome i hope i did you some good you did you did definitely did yeah you too west you as well thank you for the info everything you've done hey thanks for coming on the show joe i i really do appreciate it it's hard to get especially first responder to come on and and share the encounter and so thank you so much for coming on and bob thank you again for coming on and giving us your feedback on it always appreciated Always welcome, as you know.

Oh, you're welcome, Wes. I really do like it. No, thank you, Wes. Thanks for an event. I appreciate that. Thanks, Joe. Thanks, Bob. And again, everyone, I'm working on the Albert Outsman story this week.

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